Pyro will take 5 minutes re-explaining the bot Crisis 3 minutes talking about how soldier takes no skill 5 minutes talking about the xbox version of TF2 10 minutes on side tangents 4 minutes on random bits 3 minutes asking chat about stuff said in the video Easily an hour long slop video
I think the main reason why some folks in the TF2 community are pushing for the bot hosters to get doxxed/jumped is not just because of the general frustration and fatigue of the whole Bot Crisis (shit's been going on since 2020), but also because some of the bot hosters themselves have been doing some scuffed shit. From what I gathered from videos like TheWhatShow's and Kiwi's, the bot hosters have resorted to the following: 1. Using generative AI to impersonate TF2ubers and their voices with bots in the game saying terrible things, trying to implicate them with the bots when they're not involved. 2. Doxxing people that try to speak out against the bots. 3. Outright getting people like Kiwi SWATTED by calling in false BOMB THREATS. Poor bastard actually had to deal with the authorities coming to his dorm because some goobers that want to ruin a 2-decade old game didn't like being called out. If the only bs the bot hosters were pulling was just hosting bots, I would 100% agree that doxxing them is an unnecessary escalation. But, considering how things have definitely gone past that on their end, while I still think doxxing people in general is a giant can of worms that's likely to backfire, I can't say they wouldn't have it coming by this point. They decided to escalate things to outright harassment and IRL endangerment.
there are many people getting caught in the crossfire though, like we don't even know who even did those acts other than "bot hosters" which is a umbrella term just like "anonymous" We don't know WHICH one is doing them
Yeah, it’s just not something an untrained group of gamers can reliably do, which sucks because I argue that they’re ruled by fear and power, there’s no moral core to cheating bot hosters, they believe they’re right because the have the power of anonymity on their side and nobody can really stop them. I would legitimately argue for the effectiveness of eliminating their anonymity. They can’t hide if somebody has their personal info or if people know their real name and information, and they can’t hide what they’re doing from their community. They’re ruled by fear and power, so the only way to actually combat them is wielding fear and power against them, but again, an internet mob cannot be trusted with that task because they’d likely be at real physical threat, which as scummy and evil as a lot of these bot hosters are, they don’t literally deserve to die.
just HOW many villains are there in the tf2 community? off the top of my head we've had twilight sparkle, mechawreck, marxsman, eldergodheavy, nursey, xenon, zealot, venusianrapper, etc and now this..
The stuff about CutContent felt like a distance memory. I remembered him making horrific tweets about the situation and being so confused that I unfollowed him. I was one of the people that did believe The Informant was trying to stop the bots but now I know better. What a damn shame
Don't get me wrong no one should ever be doxxed ever But honestly omegatronic deserves it. He's been hosting bots for like 7 years and making the game an unplayable mess along with tons of the other bot hosters. Like that one that went to jail So honestly screw it. I'd say he got what was coming to him And especially since he had the balls to make fun of rick may. And look how that turned out
ur supporting doxxing over a fucking videogame. just screams immaturity and ur life must be pretty sad if a videogame thats older than you is a big enough part of your life that you support illegal activity because "waAaAH wAaAhH I CaNt PlAy my MEdIOCRE sHoOter"
The reason why doxxing is bad isn’t about it being deserved or not. It’s about the potential danger it puts OTHER PEOPLE in. Unless the person lives in a remote area where they’re completely alone for several miles, doxxing puts whoever lives with them and near them in danger
@@Scruffy-qi3ikFor a lot of bot hosters, cheaters and their supporters, that doesn't stop them. They are willing to put anyone's privacy and even their lives at risk just so they can keep getting "drunk of power" or whatever At that point (even tho I also have my reservations about doxxing) they deserve no empathy and, if a dox comes their way, they just reaping what they saw
Give his address to the police if he lives in the United States, posting it online only makes you look like an ass and does nothing other than putting him in a position to be robbed or possibly hurt
I used to be in the Team Lovetress server, she tried to doxx, [REDACTED]'s Abusive Ex-Boyfriend, i do not have any screenshots of it but, i remember her making a program to help her doxx him.
The fact she isnt against *Incestuous Artwork* is pretty concerning, i was a friend of hers, while the outbreak of "The Coffin of Andy and Leyley" a very controversial video game about 2 siblings, Or she could like Spy x Scout, it can be (how the fuck do you spell the engineers name in overwatch 1 & 2) and Tracer, the last information i have is for getting kicked off the team for being 16, for trying to make a disc cover of the album for team lovetress, cant believe i was lied to, i thank you for making this video dude.
I might have a screenshot of that? I never realized that happened. Unless it's the new server? I can't go in that one because it has the same problem as the old one: phone verification number. Don't have that or don't know how to. I have thousands of screenshots so I don't really want to look for it but I might have to.
i love this because shes trying to doxx people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about whilst she acts like an ip is some magical thing that carries enough information to commit identity theft :skull:
@@user-wj6jh1cd5n in theory yes but isps do a good job of preventing that. for example if i type my own ip into one of those it tells me i am in nottingham (which i most certainly am not, and its not even the closest city to me) edit: to correct myself, i dont mean isps intentionally mask your location, its to do with the way they route your internet traffic through the various infrastructure that they own
@@user-wj6jh1cd5n Even if she knew what to do with only a region, the fastest way to doxx someone (at least legally) is to find them through whitepages or spokeo, which are opt out collections of addresses. Does she really think these bot hosters wouldn't have taken their information off of these websites?
the discord call is mad cringe ngl not defending informant but the guys in the call were mad cringe cutting her off and being annoying like I'm trying to hear all information obviously she doesn't know what she's talking about so let her prove herself wrong like shut up lol
The part where the guy speaks the method in spanish felt so weird to me. I speak spanish is just that I also read it in english and my brain wasnt braining either lmao
The "lead" guy actually ddos'd me a long time ago when I was trying to host a tf2 server on my own internet. Crashed my stream and the server, they sent me a blurred clip of them reacting to my stream crashing. I still have that clip, hoping to someday use it, no sure how or who could, but maybe someone.
lead's never been known for being too good... most cheaters have a distaste for him anyways and he gets way too involved in drama he has no part in most of the time.
I'd like to thank you for making a video on her, I would like to add the fact that her dream of making a game wasn't just Team Lovetress, I found out she tried to make another game a few years ago in the MLP community. There's a full stream in spanish where she talks about it, the streamer that hosted it mentioned right at the beginning that all donations made there would be directly given to her. No game made it to even a demo, there's little to no information about this project anymore which makes me believe she made sure to delete it. This is just my conclusion, not an allegation. If I'm able I might translate it to give a bigger picture of what she said, but all of this seems to be her behavior online so she could get money from a community and run away with it.
Bot hoster here. Great job on this video, Daws. While the informant failed to dox the bridge I'm living under, she did sleep with my wife so thank you so much for exposing her!
First person I see from tf2 community who actually thinks that doxxing is bad regardless if it's a bot hoster or not Thank you for actually doing research instead of immediately saying "HOSTING BAD DOXXING GOOD!!!"
Honestly doxxing the bot holster was probably the Informants biggest mistake. Because bot holsters are vengeful vengeful people.and they aren’t afraid of using any and all tools available to them to get back at you.
@@daws__ after some thought your probably right. I just keep on hearing stories about them swatting and doxxing people that speak out. So I kind of just assumed that they were a threat
Oh boy, this is gonna be good. Well, as good as a drama exposé can get anyway- that is to say, making me feel very disappointed about the state of some people.
Gosh, the first section reminds me of a similar thing that happen around 2015 about a kid faking cancer and asked for free items and a big part of the art tf2 community supported him, let's just say it didn't end well. I presume this is what would have happen if the kid stayed instead of running away. TF2 drama is a very short flat circle.
Oh yeah Doomsday made a video about that guy There was also a person he talked about that did almost the same thing but would beg for items if I recall
LMAOOOO I remember this person. I was in the sever and actually almost worked on the project. I posted some of my art in the server and, shit you not, she just said something along the lines of “You’re an artist for our game now! Congrats!” and gave me the role and included me in the discussions. Asked nothing about me or anything, just said I was working now. Dumped that a couple days later because she found out I was a minor lmao.
I unironically remember only being there for the late stage doxxing (Right before they got exposed by some cheaters) it was one of the twitter accounts of all time.
Absolutely wild that i saw some of this stuff happen in real time. I had no idea about the informant other than the bot hoster doxxing. And i had followed the team lovetress stuff, even left likes on a lot of the tweets, but i never looked into it and had no idea she was involved with it. 😢 This is all really awful.
Important note everyone: Doxxing cheaters won’t make them stop cheating, they’ll only retaliate harder with more cheats and bots since they now have nothing left to lose.
I have a friend who was applying to be the voice actor of the Heavy and Soldier in Team Lovetress. What a relief that he decided not to continue with the project.
2:43 i was so concentrated on the video and waiting what would happen until i heard "deal gone wrong" in this part and instantly shouted *DELTARUNEEEE* and all my concentration was erased by my sleeper agent
i personally think that doxxing is bad but if you are a bot host, trying to ruin a game and have been trying for years... at that point i feel like it should be allowed to dox the bot host but ONLY if you can confirm its the bot host and not a random innocent person
Problem is that doxxing puts other people in danger regardless. Either if it’s their housemates/family or their neighbors. It’s unwarranted no matter what from that fact alone unless they live in a remote area alone, and even that’s iffy.
I remember falling for the inventory scam, I used to sympathize with people more way back then so i gave her some items in my tf2 inventory hoping she could make the money back, Now I regret doing that and i wish i could get the items/money i paid for them back.
Oh god, this person, I knew this was coming LOL. I was part of the team for her dating game, for a very VERY short period of time (which I didn't even agree to LOL). She overall seemed very skechy, and the whole project was really mismanaged. I remember when asking if there was gonna be any sort of compensation for my work she just ghosted me for days and came back to my DMs ONLY because she asked me to help her with the whole minors in the project situation, which was entirely her fault, since she didnt ask for anyone's ages at first💀 I was in the team (and server) for only a few days and then decided to leave, you could just tell stuff was getting weird, plus I ain't working for free! I'm glad people are speaking up about her, I just knew this was gonna happen 🤗
Wait... is Springy DustyOldRoses or is it just me? I guess she can do more Femscout voice lines for TF2, considering we went on for years without any additional voice lines.
The best part of seeing bot hosters doxxed is to submit them to the authorities for investigation because too many of them are doing (*ehm*) not so legal things so we dont even need to use it for bad just report them and let the authorities do their work Still wish if the internet never knew doxxing in the first place....
I know who knows the real IP's but they said they are keeping them in the case they do anything severly illegal. Harm, Swat attack that is legally focused on, ect.
40:12 There's also the fact that Leadscales also cheats in the game and also used to host bots. He plays on community servers but still, you get the idea. Edit: Unrelated, but I actually had the same mentality that the bot hosters should be doxxed, but that was out of anger of seeing my favoritr game being overrun by bots. Look, doxxing is bad, regardless if the person is a bot hoster or not. Plus there are other ways to deal with the bots(#fixtf2)(plus votekick fucking sucks at this point).
I'm geussing Leadscale actually replied, but either got hidden from the channel, or decided to delete their comment... mainly because of the concerning reply that was the only one here, so, here is a reply that isn't seemingly degenerant(?)
might get bad stuff for this but i see it too. since the bots has been annoying us and doing insanely bad stuff like the cp stuff and legit harassing people. i dont see backfiring this to them tbh.
@@pyro-te9vb doxxing anyone is horrible even if they are a unforgivable person like a pedo, scammer, bot hoster, ect. accusing me of being one of these shitbags because i disagree with doxxing is fucking stupid too.
All I'm really getting out of this and the many other TF2 videos I've been seeing this week is that TF2 has become a cesspool of weirdos, scam artists, and racists. I'm genuinely surprised I lasted as long as I did in this game. What happened to this game, man?
That discord call was hilariously pathetic on both sides. Dudes trying to seem tough, and the informant just not knowing what the hell shes going on about
“And dox bot hosters” Look, its my fault that I stopped watching the video after that, I’ll tell you that right now But didn’t bot hosters begin sending links to [Cheese Pizza] ingame chat of tf2?
@@user-wj6jh1cd5n we found the person that needs a hard drive check. just because it’s drawlings doesn’t make it not wrong at least morally It’s still wrong
The first thougt when I heard the whole Moira alias thingy was the character from Overwatch. It was true, and I do have to say, their actions just make them one of the most accurate adaptations of Moira that we got so far, she pits herself first (Im assuming they use the feminine pronouns... not like they deserve the sympathy of me correcting it if she doesnt use then) over others, she basically did "experiments" on her colleauges, and is very manipulative to their surrounding victims. The only thing I would say that is beyond Moira is their self-centered personality and the fact they dont really think before going into action.
Glad to hear that the TF2 dating sim is still going on strong Which is something I've learned watching this video lol Hope there's a secret Ms Pauling or female scout route
Not sure what compels people to just drop the ball and lose all credibility this way, hopefully those 100 or so dollars worth of item donations were worth it I guess. What a waste.
I think the bot hosters advertising CP deserve to be doxed AT MINIMUM. BECAUSE THAT'S ILLEGAL. But Omegatronic, and Rosne technically haven't *legally* done anything wrong. A case could be made for harassment though.
Why are you humanizing the bot hosters? What is wrong with you? Have you seen the stuff they say between each other? These are the sort of people who would not even care for their mother's life being in danger. In fact, it would be funny to them.
@@specsamhain_909 There's no room for redemption for these terminally online sociopaths. They strive from the suffering of others and cry when faced with unforseen consequences. 🔨
@@cooleecoolee9504 it'll hurt their relatives. Not just the bot hosters. But their parents, friends, roommates, any possible children they have, etc. It's too much of a risk.
@@EripmavsDYraidThis is such a Western European/Christian way of viewing the world. Like you wouldn't have to go very far to find somebody from a culture where what you just said makes absolutely zero sense.
@@70ADnow It *does* make sense. It'll not only expose where the hoster lives, but it'll also expose their family members and where they live, too. In addition, since the bot hosters will have nothing to lose, they'll just infest the game with even MORE bots. So, in short, it'll not only hurt the people of the hoster, but TF2 as well.
I watched this go down from the sidelines bc someone I follow was involved in the project Edit: but damn, I had NO idea it went even further than team lovetress. Jesus. I run events in the fandom as well, and man. She really tried to 100% speedrun ruining people’s trust in this fandom’s projects and events.
By the way the trade story near the beginning it happened to me when they basically doxxed me but what they do is you traded to a bot account which actually traded to the main host the main like scammer then delete the middleman so you can't find them
@@daws__ Aight. I saw videos on Earthbound and managed to play it when I got it on my old New 3ds before it died. Unfortunately, I got my current New 3ds a little while before they shut down the 3ds eshop. I'm sad that they shut down the eshop for the 3ds, since now some of the games are impossible to play now.
Its interesting I did hear about some drama in relation to their dating sim project but I didn't know it was this deep. I'm also somewhat confused on what she hoped to gain by being this narcissistic? A failed project and losing the respect of her piers and some australiums?
Nah bot hosters started throwing stones first when they tried to swat somebody no sympathy anything no matter what is deserved at that point shitty people who go out of there way to try and kill somebody
i remember someone from a group on steam sent me which was supposed to be an image file. but instead it was a renamed exe that stole my login info. luckily i was able to get control of my account back in time before they could do any real damage. i am the lucky few that didn't lose anything.
Pyrocynical will react to this video saying "Damn Bro" every 45 seconds
pyrocynical taking 30 minutes to explain what a bot is:
Pyro then proceeding to show his fat pyro mod on stream once again
Pyrocynical is one of those people who can pause the video, talk about it for 30 minutes and yet somehow not add anything meaningful
Pyro will take
5 minutes re-explaining the bot Crisis
3 minutes talking about how soldier takes no skill
5 minutes talking about the xbox version of TF2
10 minutes on side tangents
4 minutes on random bits
3 minutes asking chat about stuff said in the video
Easily an hour long slop video
“Huge TF2 drama”
We did it Twitter!
we saved tf2!!!
huzzah!
TF2 is save!
teamwork fortification two is no longer in a deceased state
@@ProfessorHeavy1 Group Blockhouse II is so back
I think the main reason why some folks in the TF2 community are pushing for the bot hosters to get doxxed/jumped is not just because of the general frustration and fatigue of the whole Bot Crisis (shit's been going on since 2020), but also because some of the bot hosters themselves have been doing some scuffed shit.
From what I gathered from videos like TheWhatShow's and Kiwi's, the bot hosters have resorted to the following:
1. Using generative AI to impersonate TF2ubers and their voices with bots in the game saying terrible things, trying to implicate them with the bots when they're not involved.
2. Doxxing people that try to speak out against the bots.
3. Outright getting people like Kiwi SWATTED by calling in false BOMB THREATS. Poor bastard actually had to deal with the authorities coming to his dorm because some goobers that want to ruin a 2-decade old game didn't like being called out.
If the only bs the bot hosters were pulling was just hosting bots, I would 100% agree that doxxing them is an unnecessary escalation. But, considering how things have definitely gone past that on their end, while I still think doxxing people in general is a giant can of worms that's likely to backfire, I can't say they wouldn't have it coming by this point. They decided to escalate things to outright harassment and IRL endangerment.
there are many people getting caught in the crossfire though, like we don't even know who even did those acts other than "bot hosters" which is a umbrella term just like "anonymous" We don't know WHICH one is doing them
@@KannaDHD Yeah, again, main reason why I'm still off on the idea of doxxing them. Shit would get messy well quick.
Yeah, it’s just not something an untrained group of gamers can reliably do, which sucks because I argue that they’re ruled by fear and power, there’s no moral core to cheating bot hosters, they believe they’re right because the have the power of anonymity on their side and nobody can really stop them.
I would legitimately argue for the effectiveness of eliminating their anonymity. They can’t hide if somebody has their personal info or if people know their real name and information, and they can’t hide what they’re doing from their community. They’re ruled by fear and power, so the only way to actually combat them is wielding fear and power against them, but again, an internet mob cannot be trusted with that task because they’d likely be at real physical threat, which as scummy and evil as a lot of these bot hosters are, they don’t literally deserve to die.
They were also spamming links to literal child porn! Like seriously these bot hosters are just absolutely wild
No, I think it's justified to get them this time, they're going beyond just annoying people for petty pride reasons, they're sincerely screwed up.
just HOW many villains are there in the tf2 community? off the top of my head we've had twilight sparkle, mechawreck, marxsman, eldergodheavy, nursey, xenon, zealot, venusianrapper, etc and now this..
if something exist, there is a 100% chance a bad actor will be attracted to it
Zealot is cool and makes good videos
@@jarate5922 hes probably the best of the group above, but he's still shit lmao
Twilight Sparkle hasn't been active in about 1~2 years, thankfully
Twilight Sparkle hasn't been active in about 1~2ish years, kinda wondering what happened... he probably overdosed or something
The faster 24/7 bot is from a well-known gambling site
DANG that doesn't look too good does it
1xbet?
Tf2easy?
@@jecksfoxofficial TF2hard?
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The stuff about CutContent felt like a distance memory. I remembered him making horrific tweets about the situation and being so confused that I unfollowed him.
I was one of the people that did believe The Informant was trying to stop the bots but now I know better. What a damn shame
cuz theyre fucking redditors
Paying 20$ for developer job is disgusting, not to say about the work of others
Don't get me wrong no one should ever be doxxed ever
But honestly omegatronic deserves it. He's been hosting bots for like 7 years and making the game an unplayable mess along with tons of the other bot hosters. Like that one that went to jail
So honestly screw it. I'd say he got what was coming to him
And especially since he had the balls to make fun of rick may. And look how that turned out
ur supporting doxxing over a fucking videogame. just screams immaturity and ur life must be pretty sad if a videogame thats older than you is a big enough part of your life that you support illegal activity because "waAaAH wAaAhH I CaNt PlAy my MEdIOCRE sHoOter"
It's too bad he wasn't actually getting doxxed 💀
I still disagree tho
The reason why doxxing is bad isn’t about it being deserved or not. It’s about the potential danger it puts OTHER PEOPLE in. Unless the person lives in a remote area where they’re completely alone for several miles, doxxing puts whoever lives with them and near them in danger
@@Scruffy-qi3ikFor a lot of bot hosters, cheaters and their supporters, that doesn't stop them. They are willing to put anyone's privacy and even their lives at risk just so they can keep getting "drunk of power" or whatever
At that point (even tho I also have my reservations about doxxing) they deserve no empathy and, if a dox comes their way, they just reaping what they saw
Give his address to the police if he lives in the United States, posting it online only makes you look like an ass and does nothing other than putting him in a position to be robbed or possibly hurt
This whole situation was the biggest shit show I've seen. Least *some* good's starting to come from it and nothing's going unpunished
hi mercy i tracked you across platforms to call you a nerd
@@Skelbton the guy is dedicated, i'll give him that.
@@ProfessorHeavy1dedicated and correct
@@Skelbtonbruh
the cut content drama feels like i got flashbanged by another memory from the past, cause goddamn
I used to be in the Team Lovetress server, she tried to doxx, [REDACTED]'s Abusive Ex-Boyfriend, i do not have any screenshots of it but, i remember her making a program to help her doxx him.
The fact she isnt against *Incestuous Artwork* is pretty concerning, i was a friend of hers, while the outbreak of "The Coffin of Andy and Leyley" a very controversial video game about 2 siblings, Or she could like Spy x Scout, it can be (how the fuck do you spell the engineers name in overwatch 1 & 2) and Tracer, the last information i have is for getting kicked off the team for being 16, for trying to make a disc cover of the album for team lovetress, cant believe i was lied to, i thank you for making this video dude.
I might have a screenshot of that? I never realized that happened. Unless it's the new server? I can't go in that one because it has the same problem as the old one: phone verification number. Don't have that or don't know how to. I have thousands of screenshots so I don't really want to look for it but I might have to.
i love this because shes trying to doxx people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about whilst she acts like an ip is some magical thing that carries enough information to commit identity theft :skull:
@@user-wj6jh1cd5n in theory yes but isps do a good job of preventing that. for example if i type my own ip into one of those it tells me i am in nottingham (which i most certainly am not, and its not even the closest city to me)
edit: to correct myself, i dont mean isps intentionally mask your location, its to do with the way they route your internet traffic through the various infrastructure that they own
@@user-wj6jh1cd5n Even if she knew what to do with only a region, the fastest way to doxx someone (at least legally) is to find them through whitepages or spokeo, which are opt out collections of addresses. Does she really think these bot hosters wouldn't have taken their information off of these websites?
the discord call is mad cringe ngl not defending informant but the guys in the call were mad cringe cutting her off and being annoying like I'm trying to hear all information obviously she doesn't know what she's talking about so let her prove herself wrong like shut up lol
I had to watch thru that call like ten times and it was SO BAD
yupp same sentiments. needless annoying shouting ugh
@@dianesperanto5976It's like those Senate Discord calls with Lio Convoy but fill it with Smash Bandicoots and it's over a TF2 fan project.
Fr and going like "quit stuttering!!! Why are you tripping over your words!!?" When clearly informant is not a native english speaker..
the ableism too... if i said they were also being kinda. misogynistic in there oh my god
The part where the guy speaks the method in spanish felt so weird to me. I speak spanish is just that I also read it in english and my brain wasnt braining either lmao
imagine even the bot hoster shaming the informat, this whole situation is so silly
The "lead" guy actually ddos'd me a long time ago when I was trying to host a tf2 server on my own internet. Crashed my stream and the server, they sent me a blurred clip of them reacting to my stream crashing. I still have that clip, hoping to someday use it, no sure how or who could, but maybe someone.
He's a freak huh
@@daws__ Plus, that was way back when I was much smaller, like holy shit someone really had nothing better to do. Lmao.
lead's never been known for being too good... most cheaters have a distaste for him anyways and he gets way too involved in drama he has no part in most of the time.
I'd like to thank you for making a video on her, I would like to add the fact that her dream of making a game wasn't just Team Lovetress, I found out she tried to make another game a few years ago in the MLP community.
There's a full stream in spanish where she talks about it, the streamer that hosted it mentioned right at the beginning that all donations made there would be directly given to her.
No game made it to even a demo, there's little to no information about this project anymore which makes me believe she made sure to delete it. This is just my conclusion, not an allegation.
If I'm able I might translate it to give a bigger picture of what she said, but all of this seems to be her behavior online so she could get money from a community and run away with it.
That's the mark of a con artist, make people believe into something and just run away with some cash.
Bot hoster here. Great job on this video, Daws. While the informant failed to dox the bridge I'm living under, she did sleep with my wife so thank you so much for exposing her!
I appreciate you Mr bot hoster
You found a bridge? Lucky!
Hey I'm going to ask respectfully, how come you host bots?
@@doyouknoedawae They don't, it's just a joke that all bot hosters live under bridges like trolls and are into Cucking
@@doyouknoedawae he's joking (hard to believe i know, its really a perfect impression)
First person I see from tf2 community who actually thinks that doxxing is bad regardless if it's a bot hoster or not
Thank you for actually doing research instead of immediately saying "HOSTING BAD DOXXING GOOD!!!"
The hosters advertising cp should be doxxed and/or have athorities called on them.
You’re brain dead there’s nothing wrong with doxxing a bad person
tyler when people are having a bit too much fun with casual compatible mods
Honestly doxxing the bot holster was probably the Informants biggest mistake. Because bot holsters are vengeful vengeful people.and they aren’t afraid of using any and all tools available to them to get back at you.
The bot hosters aren't a real threat
@@daws__ after some thought your probably right. I just keep on hearing stories about them swatting and doxxing people that speak out. So I kind of just assumed that they were a threat
This is insane
Deranged even
I want sniper's milk
I’d venture to say it’s nuts
wacky perchance
huge weapon reskins drama
Oh boy, this is gonna be good. Well, as good as a drama exposé can get anyway- that is to say, making me feel very disappointed about the state of some people.
Wait, she *agreed* to a bot hoster interview? She isn't feeding the trolls, she's treating them to an entire gourmet.
Oh, hey, you're the guy who made that Infinity Gauntlet showcase for TF2. Nice seeing you here.
Gosh, the first section reminds me of a similar thing that happen around 2015 about a kid faking cancer and asked for free items and a big part of the art tf2 community supported him, let's just say it didn't end well.
I presume this is what would have happen if the kid stayed instead of running away. TF2 drama is a very short flat circle.
Oh yeah Doomsday made a video about that guy
There was also a person he talked about that did almost the same thing but would beg for items if I recall
excellent video. your tweet about the informant trying to scam $5 out of you while you were making a video about the previous scams was hilarious
God this was crazy
Still can't believe I was partially a part of it
Ill never understand why people add so much value to virtual items
LMAOOOO I remember this person. I was in the sever and actually almost worked on the project. I posted some of my art in the server and, shit you not, she just said something along the lines of “You’re an artist for our game now! Congrats!” and gave me the role and included me in the discussions. Asked nothing about me or anything, just said I was working now. Dumped that a couple days later because she found out I was a minor lmao.
what happened to me too 💀I didn't share any of my art on the server but I guess she checked my socials? She just added me without my consent LOL
the irony that there were bot hosters and cheaters in Fatmagic's server of all places is funny to me for some reason lol
They’ll unleash his angry power.
He pulls his own to himself 🤣
If you hooked her up to a lie detector, it would count her every breathe as a lie
And if that lie detector has the death gimmick where every lie would make it more painful, so it would be extremely and most painful thing
I unironically remember only being there for the late stage doxxing (Right before they got exposed by some cheaters) it was one of the twitter accounts of all time.
used to follow informant back then because of their art. Sad to see her true colors. I am very disappointed.
Absolutely wild that i saw some of this stuff happen in real time. I had no idea about the informant other than the bot hoster doxxing. And i had followed the team lovetress stuff, even left likes on a lot of the tweets, but i never looked into it and had no idea she was involved with it. 😢 This is all really awful.
seeing a 50 minute video essay on a topic so insanely close to the massive tf2 rule 34 community on twitter is truly remarkable
TF2 community needs a break from itself, holy crap.
Important note everyone: Doxxing cheaters won’t make them stop cheating, they’ll only retaliate harder with more cheats and bots since they now have nothing left to lose.
Didn't expect this and explains why i didn't see any of her post
I have a friend who was applying to be the voice actor of the Heavy and Soldier in Team Lovetress.
What a relief that he decided not to continue with the project.
my friend dated a narcissist. let me tell you, this woman is exactly the same.
Hey, Bots & Haters!!
**Scams her audience & crew**
2:43
i was so concentrated on the video and waiting what would happen until i heard "deal gone wrong" in this part and instantly shouted *DELTARUNEEEE* and all my concentration was erased by my sleeper agent
It was literally perfect for the segment
if anyone deserves to be doxxed its the people killing tf2 with 10k bots each
i personally think that doxxing is bad but if you are a bot host, trying to ruin a game and have been trying for years... at that point i feel like it should be allowed to dox the bot host but ONLY if you can confirm its the bot host and not a random innocent person
Problem is that doxxing puts other people in danger regardless. Either if it’s their housemates/family or their neighbors. It’s unwarranted no matter what from that fact alone unless they live in a remote area alone, and even that’s iffy.
@@Scruffy-qi3ikUnless the literal government green lights it then this is the unfortunate case.
I got more aggravated the more I listened, I feel so bad for her former associates.
Now we wait for the backlash :D
All seriousness the informant is a good example of what happens when you let your pride take over
Also screw you informant for talking shit about me
I remember falling for the inventory scam, I used to sympathize with people more way back then so i gave her some items in my tf2 inventory hoping she could make the money back, Now I regret doing that and i wish i could get the items/money i paid for them back.
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edit: after watching the full video, I have determined that both the informant and the bot hosters must face punishment.
And their punishment will be vore art of their OCs.
This reply thread took a kinky turn...
@@FritzLeAngelwe shall see.
Oh god, this person, I knew this was coming LOL. I was part of the team for her dating game, for a very VERY short period of time (which I didn't even agree to LOL). She overall seemed very skechy, and the whole project was really mismanaged. I remember when asking if there was gonna be any sort of compensation for my work she just ghosted me for days and came back to my DMs ONLY because she asked me to help her with the whole minors in the project situation, which was entirely her fault, since she didnt ask for anyone's ages at first💀
I was in the team (and server) for only a few days and then decided to leave, you could just tell stuff was getting weird, plus I ain't working for free!
I'm glad people are speaking up about her, I just knew this was gonna happen 🤗
ten seconds in and I've already been called out, goddamn
Idk how you do it but you manage to see yourself in so many tf2 vids it's awesome
Wait... is Springy DustyOldRoses or is it just me? I guess she can do more Femscout voice lines for TF2, considering we went on for years without any additional voice lines.
The best part of seeing bot hosters doxxed is to submit them to the authorities for investigation because too many of them are doing (*ehm*) not so legal things so we dont even need to use it for bad just report them and let the authorities do their work
Still wish if the internet never knew doxxing in the first place....
I know who knows the real IP's but they said they are keeping them in the case they do anything severly illegal. Harm, Swat attack that is legally focused on, ect.
Didn't a guy named KiwiJuice (could be wrong on the name) get doxxed and outright swatted? Pretty sure the TheWhatShow made a video on that.
by the time they act the ips would have probably changed
40:12 There's also the fact that Leadscales also cheats in the game and also used to host bots. He plays on community servers but still, you get the idea.
Edit: Unrelated, but I actually had the same mentality that the bot hosters should be doxxed, but that was out of anger of seeing my favoritr game being overrun by bots. Look, doxxing is bad, regardless if the person is a bot hoster or not. Plus there are other ways to deal with the bots(#fixtf2)(plus votekick fucking sucks at this point).
@@leadscales based and redpilled. please have my babies
I'm geussing Leadscale actually replied, but either got hidden from the channel, or decided to delete their comment... mainly because of the concerning reply that was the only one here, so, here is a reply that isn't seemingly degenerant(?)
He did yeah, I removed it cause I don't allow racists or zoos on my channel :/
"This TF2 Situation Is Insane" slop incoming
404. better known as TF2 Cut Content, or as I like to call him, Tyler. Tyler McVicker
I DONT SEE DOXXIN BOT HOSTERS AS A BAD THING THO🗣🗣
might get bad stuff for this but i see it too. since the bots has been annoying us and doing insanely bad stuff like the cp stuff and legit harassing people. i dont see backfiring this to them tbh.
doxxing bot hosters makes you just as heinous as them.
@@versinick69 so doxxing pedophiles, scammers and shit is bad? ok son you sound like one of em
@@pyro-te9vb nah fr. This shit sad...
@@pyro-te9vb doxxing anyone is horrible even if they are a unforgivable person like a pedo, scammer, bot hoster, ect.
accusing me of being one of these shitbags because i disagree with doxxing is fucking stupid too.
God I remember this unfolding, nightmare tbh
All I'm really getting out of this and the many other TF2 videos I've been seeing this week is that TF2 has become a cesspool of weirdos, scam artists, and racists. I'm genuinely surprised I lasted as long as I did in this game. What happened to this game, man?
For every shitter there's five normal people
I don’t use Twitter.
Good, don't 😭
That discord call was hilariously pathetic on both sides. Dudes trying to seem tough, and the informant just not knowing what the hell shes going on about
it was so hard to listen to
“And dox bot hosters”
Look, its my fault that I stopped watching the video after that, I’ll tell you that right now
But didn’t bot hosters begin sending links to [Cheese Pizza] ingame chat of tf2?
Yes and I agree. It's deplorable, but doxing the bot hosters would not change a thing. If anything, it would just get them more angry
@@daws__ Thats fair considering two wrongs don’t make a right.
its only one cheater posting cheese pizza bots, not the majority of bot hosters go dox that guy not random hosters
@@user-wj6jh1cd5n we found the person that needs a hard drive check. just because it’s drawlings doesn’t make it not wrong at least morally It’s still wrong
@user-wj6jh1cd5n "so what if you don't like l**i p**n, it's not illegal so tough" is clown talk dude get out of my comments
26:58 Oh hey, that's me. That situation sucked so damn bad, it was so stupid.
i thought she could end the bot hosting, but she betray us.
So what is the status of Love Fortress? Is that the new one being made without Moira? That whole part has me kind if confused
You got it right. The new project is made by new team without moira
The first thougt when I heard the whole Moira alias thingy was the character from Overwatch. It was true, and I do have to say, their actions just make them one of the most accurate adaptations of Moira that we got so far, she pits herself first (Im assuming they use the feminine pronouns... not like they deserve the sympathy of me correcting it if she doesnt use then) over others, she basically did "experiments" on her colleauges, and is very manipulative to their surrounding victims. The only thing I would say that is beyond Moira is their self-centered personality and the fact they dont really think before going into action.
Glad to hear that the TF2 dating sim is still going on strong
Which is something I've learned watching this video lol
Hope there's a secret Ms Pauling or female scout route
Not sure what compels people to just drop the ball and lose all credibility this way, hopefully those 100 or so dollars worth of item donations were worth it I guess. What a waste.
I think the bot hosters advertising CP deserve to be doxed AT MINIMUM. BECAUSE THAT'S ILLEGAL. But Omegatronic, and Rosne technically haven't *legally* done anything wrong. A case could be made for harassment though.
Doxxing bot hosters is super based actually (as of late they've even been spamming CP links, jsyk), The Informant should have doxxed them more
Doxxing the bot hosters would do nothing but cause issues. It definitely wouldn't fixtf2
@@daws__ it wouldnt fix it but it would be funny and they deserve it because theyre evil people
The craziest drama always happens when i leave a community 😭
Why are you humanizing the bot hosters? What is wrong with you? Have you seen the stuff they say between each other? These are the sort of people who would not even care for their mother's life being in danger. In fact, it would be funny to them.
Because people can be redeemed, and besides, it's just a game
@@specsamhain_909 There's no room for redemption for these terminally online sociopaths. They strive from the suffering of others and cry when faced with unforseen consequences. 🔨
*dox bot hosters*
TF2 players: SHE'S THE ONE, SHE'S THE HERO WE NEEDED!
She is, in fact, not the hero we need.
@@EripmavsDYraid Let's see if the bot hoster can PARRY that
@@cooleecoolee9504 it'll hurt their relatives. Not just the bot hosters. But their parents, friends, roommates, any possible children they have, etc. It's too much of a risk.
@@EripmavsDYraidThis is such a Western European/Christian way of viewing the world. Like you wouldn't have to go very far to find somebody from a culture where what you just said makes absolutely zero sense.
@@70ADnow It *does* make sense. It'll not only expose where the hoster lives, but it'll also expose their family members and where they live, too.
In addition, since the bot hosters will have nothing to lose, they'll just infest the game with even MORE bots. So, in short, it'll not only hurt the people of the hoster, but TF2 as well.
I watched this go down from the sidelines bc someone I follow was involved in the project
Edit: but damn, I had NO idea it went even further than team lovetress. Jesus. I run events in the fandom as well, and man. She really tried to 100% speedrun ruining people’s trust in this fandom’s projects and events.
Very informative vid, feel silly for playing into the lies, but I guess that’s what happens when I’m too out of the loop.
I didn't know the game was so popular that it was gonna get its own dating sim
Average moira main
28:10, holy batshit, that's the s.o.b. who made my gameplay a f****** nightmare!
so basically the lincar rox/mixxmastermedia of tf2?
great video to watch while studying daws keep up the grind!
the giygas song lmao
Oh boy, here I go hearing the same story for like, the 10th fucking time.
I like rewatching too
would be so funny if the video ended right after what he talks in 2:20 lmao
"Unfortunately that's about all the information i can give, bye"
By the way the trade story near the beginning it happened to me when they basically doxxed me but what they do is you traded to a bot account which actually traded to the main host the main like scammer then delete the middleman so you can't find them
Man, don't call your self a degenerate. You will climb out of it. I belive in you!
"The Informant" isnt even an OC, its just FemScout in a suit
Hey, is that earthbound music? Specifically Giygas being hurt? Edit: Oh my god it's all earthbound music.
Heck yeah it's gigas! It's not all earthbound music tho
@@daws__ Aight. I saw videos on Earthbound and managed to play it when I got it on my old New 3ds before it died. Unfortunately, I got my current New 3ds a little while before they shut down the 3ds eshop. I'm sad that they shut down the eshop for the 3ds, since now some of the games are impossible to play now.
ask any single tf2 player and all of them would support the idea of doxxing the bot hosters
and thats a good thing!
You're wrong but ok
I don’t think any single tf2 player supports an action that puts more people than the person being doxxed in danger who had nothing to do with it
@@Scruffy-qi3ik TF2's community has doxxed people before. And that's not even including the streamers and other RUclipsrs who left the community.
just because people support it doesn’t make it legal like doxxing
Doxxing bot hosters is allowed.
doxxing is illegal regardless who you are doxxing. grow up.
dont fight fire with fire
did you forget to watch the rest of the video?
Doxxing bot hosters legally isn't allowed
hosting bots for some game isn't really a reason for doxxing.. but I did hear that they did some nasty things (heard, not sure if it's true)
Its interesting I did hear about some drama in relation to their dating sim project but I didn't know it was this deep. I'm also somewhat confused on what she hoped to gain by being this narcissistic? A failed project and losing the respect of her piers and some australiums?
i used to know someone who went by amber but was actually named moriah.
Nah bot hosters started throwing stones first when they tried to swat somebody no sympathy anything no matter what is deserved at that point shitty people who go out of there way to try and kill somebody
You don't fight fire with fire
@@daws__ yes you do bruh, this isnt some undertale pacifist route or some shit
@@thenextgeneration9030gotta do it neutral
Honestly Tyler is basically just the average tf2 player from the sounds of it lmao
Can we not sensor the bot holsters? I want to find out their full name and address.
Nope, they won't be doxxed here
@@daws__ oh man, I was just gonna send them a pipe bomb from l4d2 lol
No witchhunts today
@@daws__booooo
@@daws__ bro look at his profile pics he’s obviously a cringe kid who’s gonna protect these criminals smh terrible protecting these people
kinda sad how all of this started with her trying to get attention bruh
theres nothing wrong with doxxing bot hosters
Finally someone with a brain
i remember someone from a group on steam sent me which was supposed to be an image file.
but instead it was a renamed exe that stole my login info.
luckily i was able to get control of my account back in time before they could do any real damage.
i am the lucky few that didn't lose anything.
Scan any file you're gonna run with virustotal it helps a lot.
i really thought that the dating simulator was real
It's a project that is still being worked on! Now it's by a different team
@@daws__ THATS SO COOL TYSM
I don't think doxxing bit holsters were all that bad NGL. But yeah, the other things aren't great.
I heard a bit about this drama from my girlfriend but now finally someone posted the whole drama Thank you
> dox a bot hoster
don't see anything bad about that
> puts everyone in bot hoster’s vicinity in danger by doxxing them
> It'll just make them retaliate harder since they have nothing left to lose now