A Lie Reborn | Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2023
- The siren calls you out to sea. As Square Enix unveils the things you always wanted, it's time to remind yourself that you're not crazy. It's the rebirth of a lie.
Sources:
Holst, The Planets, Op. 32: IV, Jupiter, The Bringer of Jollity
(Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, Sir Charles Mackerras) 
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It's kind of funny how the whole "subvert your expectations" thing became so memed on for being a cheap method of writing a story that dumbs down the whole thing for shock value, when it is really at the core of why ff7 remake is the way it is. Every single franchise in existence gets criticized for doing this yet final fantasy is the only one where you'll see it's "fans" defend the practice with their last breath.
The mystery box storytelling or the “long con” has been employed by SE on purpose. How do you convince people to buy 3 full priced games that could’ve been 1? You place mystery after mystery with 0 resolution to keep players there in the hopes they’ll eventually find out what the mystery was all along. I guarantee by the end of this story it will just all say “see, nomatter how much you wanted to change things they always had to happen the same way all along” meaning all of these mystery’s and changes were simply there for shallow reasons, to keep people buying the game thinking they won’t know what happens. This is why they’ve also included so much fan service also. This trilogy was always made to milk the fan base and square said it themselves years ago that they’d only remake 7 if they were out of ideas or desperate.
"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" ... Square Enix isn't seeing another penny from me, probably ever again.
I love how the call it next gen but it’s actually don’t look that different from the ps4 remake
Same. Remakes ending was bad but this was the cherry on top. I'm done with them.
The adoration for the reMAKE seems to me very "Emperor's New Clothes" like, except all the people that can see the Emperor's clothes do not know what clothes even are.
Dam, man... I was looking for a video like this for days. Really spoke to me on a personal level. Thank you.
finished rebirth, and yes... as remake was, the multiverse bullshit is messier than ever.... nice world, many nice moments, and a crap stinky ending again
so sad whats they did to FF, since Hironobu Sakaguchi left Square has never been the same, its painful to think what kind of amazing games we could have had these last 20 years if Sakaguchi would have stayed and Yoichi Wada (a soulless corporate CEO who entered the company only 2 years prior) wouldnt have driven the car on the wall...
"A husk wearing the skin of our cherished memories" is such an apt and poetic way to put it.
I watched the rebirth trailer and I feel so betrayed. I felt so sad. All of the moments I wanted re-created have been in beautiful detail but I know it's A beautiful lie
It's like The Truman Show, the story we love, the one we want is just window dressing, everyone is an actor, there is no sincerity in this world because the world itself is just a plaything for the meta.
Square Enix is performing a spectacular necromancy show.
Miracle ✨
I read that they're giving FFX the remake treatment. I can't wait for Tidus and the gang to fight Yu Yevon in the first entry of a series after killing fate.
Read FFX-3 novella by Nojima himself to know exactly how the X remake would go. Nojima without anyone like Sakaguchi reining him in is a shit writer.
Also heard rumors of a ff9 remake as well 🤮. I imagine that's what Square is going to start doing with all of the more popular entries. They're basically going to be doing what Capcom is doing with Resident Evil with Nomura at the helm, since it's easier as they already have parts of the story done and all of the visual design done, while letting Yoshi do the new entries.
Basically I think they're about to give Nomura free reign to spit all over the entire legacy of Final Fantasy. It would be perfectly in line with every other bad decision Square has made for the past 20+ years. We'll probably have a ff8, 9, and 10 "remake" here before long. God help us all.
@@ItsSVO A good producer/editor is everything. Creative ppl need someone to tell them no. Some can self correct, but not all
@@lpstweetytv5242 exactly.
In retrospect, I'm rather glad I didn't become a FF7 fan until my twenties. Something about the urbanization of FF didn't sit well with me when I was a kid, so I "hated" it and never gave it a chance. When I did get around to playing it, I felt like I had robbed my childhood by not playing it then.
When FF7 Re-imagin-equel-make was made I found myself excited, then annoyed by what it actually is. I never found myself being sad about it though, and I think it's because I got into it so late. I don't have childhood nostalgia wrapped into the game.
So in retrospect, I didn't really rob my childhood of the experience of FF7. I saved my adulthood the pain that FF7 Remake could have inflicted.
I wasn't around when it first came out, so I've only just played it, and I feel the same way
I learned the hard way what it was like to be a square enix fan first after remake and then after this. I'm never buying one of their games again. The forced fan service and confusing ending left me with more questions than answers
Toxic positivity is rampant in this comment section. Why do we have to shut up and be “grateful” for this bastardization of the original?
And before anyone calls me a purist boomer, I’m actually a zoomer who started with Remake.
Because authoritarianism is rampant in todays society. It’s what cancel culture actually is.
Same! Finally someone like me XD
Now that Rebirth is out, I'm quite eager to see your thoughts on it. The ending was so bad that IGN (who gave the game a 9/10) put out a video all about how hard they dropped the ball. Fucking up Aerith's big moment seems to be the one bridge too far for even a lot of fanboys.
For me honestly, the game was so amazing that the ending while being concerning, still didn’t even come close to ruining the experience for me
update.
the new game opens on a multiverse plastic bag with a terrier. later we will get a pug. tifa get eaten by weapon and swims in the lifestream as if its not toxic. this is clown writing. for clown people.
then zack is mates with marlene and areiths new mum. theyre just holding it together in cloud and areith are ok upstair but the garden is looking pretty shabby. we couldnt decide what to do with aerith so we did all the things. in fact the cgi cutscenes were done by a team under the supervision of nomura ages ago which is why cloud looks different to the in game version but we dont chuck assets we use them again, and again, and again, and again....
The story is all that ever mattered, if they don't get that right then it is failure.
Tifa is a new antagonist lol
@@manchild9193 Perhaps we can all look forward to hearing socially-inept 14-year-old coomers arguing about how 'thematically deep' it is that Sephiroth's 'Mother' character is puppeteering the maternal waifu to end all maternal waifus.
After the first FF7R chapter, I didn't think I could be more happy about not giving a shit about this _Rise of Skywalker_-tier clumsy style-and-nostalgia-over-substance fan-service horseshit, but here we stand....
Okay I have done some looking around now. Your channel is in fact the best channel for FF commentary on youtube.
I'm honestly curious to see how the sales numbers of Rebirth will compare to Remake's, now that they've made it clear that they're looking to break free from the original story.
I think it will undersell by a big margin. Remake sales dropped hard once people realized it wasn't a remake after all. There's a lot of hype for Rebirth, but I'm pretty sure Remake didn't create many new fans. Mostly just old fans that were complacent or had an illusory idea that a desecration of the story could ever turn into something worthwhile.
The third installment will be the last, and will be rushed out so Square can stop the Final Fantasy VII bleed. It will be a shit game along with Rebirth, and the only game that has any worth will have been Remake ironically, as it's the one that will have followed the story more closely.
This is my prediction.
probably less pre-orders. they alienated a good portion of their OG fans i think... The bait and switch they pulled with Remake probably wont help their pre-order sells with Rebirth. But we'll see... maybe im wrong.
There was no bait and switch. You were not paying attention. Remake was never a one to one. They revealed so many alterations from the OG prior to the release no way in hell this was a bait and switch. Then there are interviews...
@@rzxwm10 you dont know what you're talking about. I stayed caught up on all ff7 news prior to release. Watched every trailer, every interview, every screen shot, every leak. They mentioned change, but nothing to this magnitude. Stop being such a white knight for squarenix
This is mental, how the hell can you not enjoy the route they have taken this game, I just cannot believe it
Thank you for this video. I couldn't agree more.
Watching this trailer is such a bag of mixed feelings. You can't help but love and want to experience the parts you recognize from the original. But you also can't help but hate and feel repulsion to the parts that show its desecration.
In the end it's a feeling of something your love being so close, and yet so far. Like you said, the ghost of a ghost.
Orion85 Welcome back! I've been waiting for your response for the trailer and I'll look forward to hear more from you when the game comes out.
You should cover FFXVI as well.
Very poetic and very personal.
Thank you for being a voice.
"We are united by how much we care but we're going in different directions." Nice 👏
I'll watch some videos just to see the updates to the scenery, but I have no intention of being suckered by Square again when it comes to this game. I ddin't bother getting the yuffie DLC, and can easily turn my back on this as well. It's just a shame, because there was such an oppurtunity to present something really special. But I guess that's what happens with those keystone moments in your past, they just stay in the past. It was a lightening in a bottle moment, never to be recapatured. Just be glad you were there.
Sucks what they did to remake but at least i can play the original modded to shit. Thank god to passionate modders you are yhe real mvps.
Its crazy how people are now retroactively changing their stance on what they wanted from a FF7 Remake. When that FF7 PS3 tech demo first dropped everyone wanted a Remake in a true sense, 1 to 1 but with additional improvements to enhance the experience and maybe even flesh out some things that was never realized in the original. Now that remake released and its complete different than what me and others like myself asked for, you have another portion of the fanbase saying "I never wanted a 1 to 1 remake" or "I prefer this, who wants to play the same game again." which is complete bullshit, a lot of these so called fans are now pretending like they never wanted a 1 to 1 remake of this game. that never crossed any one of their minds when that PS3 tech demo dropped.
FF7 Remake didn't sell the way SE had hoped. It had a strong start but sales dropped quickly and thats because word spread around that its not a remake and instead a reimagine, a completely different game. If you thought FF7 Remake was different then prepare for Rebirth, this entry is going to jump the shark on the fans.
You can t appreciate that the most ambitious game has the most ambitious remake, you don't deserve ff7 lordy. Hopefully when these geniuses are kind enough to be back at their craft, they don't listen to their fetishistic ungrateful fans. I always thought the unreliable narrator twist couldn t work once again, especially with live acting. Also aerith death would hit so much less if telegraphed. You can disagree with the way they recreate it but we re tired of 1to1 that are just museum tours, they loose all kind of interest, when they even pay a real tribute to their inspiration. If you were a hardcore fan, you d also like the expanded lore of compilation, and would love to see it developed anew. But rage has its grift. A real fan is still very satisfied with the original as it is. And is confident ever crisis will be enough.
FF7R sold very well actually. I don’t know where you get your info but you need to do better research. If FF7R sale where disappointing then FF7Rebirth wouldn’t exist.
Also how do you know everyone wanted a 1:1 remake? Again where’s your data to back this up? Also what’s wrong with changing your mind? Maybe people really like the direction the Remake series is going and are on board with the project.
Purists like you are just mad that people love Remake and want to create this false narrative that everyone wanted a 1:1 and hate this new direction. And don’t you dare use “so called fans”. We are fans as much as you are.
@@TheManaTree777 FF VII remake has preformed well. The game being at 7 M copies shipped and sold now. 3+ M at launch is good for a modern game, even if compared to the amount of consoles it released to (~110 M at 2020), the % is among the worst of all FFs. Overall, the game is a success, but it would also have had to tank really hard to make the project make a full stop.
However, the blame game is rather tiresome. I get that you get triggered by seeing comments like this, but using purist as a negative label and being hostile does not really help the debate. There is nothing wrong having FF VII remake be "the thing I didn't know I actually want" and I have seen threads about hoping Aerith survives as well as JJ Abrahams Star Trek movies comparisons long before remake came out, but these were also not the majority of what seemed to be what people expected. It does seem that a lot of people have changed their mind, but what the OP is trying to say is that a lot of people seemingly now basically lie, to themselves and others, by saying they always wanted that, compared to acknowledging that they changed their mind.
Every disgruntled fan has a right to express themselves and a lot have been forced by the especially strong narrative of "real fans like FF VII remake" (I see people talk "for me" all the time, everywhere with comments that sound like "We FF VII fans be eating good"/"This is truly what FF VII fans wants"/etc, which I don't agree with at all, and I am a fan), so they retaliate in turn. The urge from the majority to suppress and silence the disappointed fans after release, and even now, only created a more hostile variety, which then express themselves especially strong, which also means that the debate bleeds out to people that just want to enjoy and express themselves casually.
It is hard to like some, dislike and hate some but not get labeled straight complete hater that wanted a 1:1, and both sides uses the "true fan banner" but the positive side is also so much larger that it drowns the majority of the minority that dislike remake for whatever reason (story, episodic, gameplay etc). The way I see it: anyone can be a fan of anything, and each side in this conflict have a constant need to fight for the "true fan", something that has been done in all fandoms since inception, but now people have the internet and the need to reaffirm that one isn't alone, on both sides, is stronger these days.
@@vincentgraymoreIt's not that they lie to themselves, it's that they analyzed the new proposal and their opinion changed, seriously the "real final fantasy fans" are just old people.
Great video and take on the matter. I felt the same for a long while too, mainly because of FF7 was spoiled for me so I went into remake a little apprehensive.
Long story short I just started playing it again and really enjoying it. I'm looking at it like I had to with comics to the recreation into movies.
Another banger... I loved it. You have a very beautiful and poetic way of speaking.
That's very kind of you. Thanks for watching as always!
the disappointment continues on lol. here's hoping rebirth will be a fun game at least...
Probably same thing just bigger corridors that's how it feels to me
I have chosen to be more optimistic about the potential of this trilogy, but my heart volleys back and forth between hope and dread that this wild experiment can actually pay off in a satisfying way. So while I tend to disagree with videos like these -- largely because I think it's too early to judge the Remake trilogy -- I think this is incredibly well-written and wanted to give a hat tip.
Same. The latest SGF announcement made me feel like an outsider given my lack of hype, and this video helped to give me some solace. That said, I'm gonna wait until the trilogy is over and I've had a chance to read up on all the spoilers before I give my final verdict (I'm not going to risk getting re-invested in something which could end up being a trainwreck; if the story turns out bad, I'm not buying parts 2 and 3).
I don’t think it’s too early to tell when regarding poor writing. Look at Tolkiens work, the trilogy of books were released as seperate works but each one had a satisfying beginning middle and end that made sense. Whether the ending to the whole thing is decent or not doesn’t absolve previous parts from their writing sins.
Even if they somehow manage to pull of a perfect sequel and conclusion, this whole trilogy will still be tainted by the first game. And the only way they actually pull that off at this point is pretend all of the ridiculous Nomura esque BS from the remake just doesn't exist and retcon it, as it totally disrupts the core of what ff7 is supposed to be. So either they retcon 1/3 of this thing to ensure the other 2/3 of it are on the right path, or they keep the first 3rd intact, which is what they are going to do, and allow it to steer the sequels off a cliff. Either way the trilogy is permanently ruined. I think we should be way past the point of being optimistic about anything in regards to the gaming industry in 2023
I concur, thank you,
Am I the only one who wants to see what the Dirge of Cerberus Remake will be like?
I feel exactly like you😢
final fantasy VII : rescripted
new game opens on a girl by the water shes playing and holding a shiny object to her eye. shes told by her mother dressed like the ancients in the cutscene (that was perfect until sephiroth appeared for no reason other than developer boredom) tells her to come inside for dinner and when she gets in the house shes running around with her brother.
3 ancients and an ancient with seniority can be heard in the other room saying they last saw her in the area, they are sure her mana is depleted but it wont be long until she regains her strength. the kids come running through the room like kids do when they are playing and the sister says the sister says to the brother something about a witch by the sea. the adults overhear it and realise because of the shiny object the girl has seen jenova. now your heading out with three unknown ancients heading towards the bone village you catch up with her and you have contain materia on all 3 ancients having done extensive damage you cast freeze sealing her away in ice her power depleted shes alive but trapped" the ancients relay their concern to an older ancient who says not to worry because if we bury that ice this far north it will never melt. you see the red materia in his staff start to glow and it gives you the option to cast anger of the land. titan appears and jenova is buried near the bone village geological dig site.
the little girl is outside her house as the 3 ancients and one elderly ancient return. the mother looks at the men. 'its done. it will hold.' she turns to her daughter and says as the screen cuts to black 'go inside Ifalna.' then you get a close up of aerith on the road to kalm.
this intro would:
Explain how Jenova wound up in a geological stratum for thousands of years.
show us ancients protecting the planet from jenova. and let us use them in battle!
let us use materia as an expressive tool within the storyline.
add mystery about ancients and humans aging at different rates.
instead we have ghosts and plastic bags with dogs on them and a character who's supposed to be dead alive for no reason other than ..... multiverse!!!!
the problem i have with the stuff that's added to final fantasy rebirth is it doesnt use gameplay and story simultaneously. there is a big difference between being put in the middle of the action and getting to cast freeze on jenova than just watching a cutscene where you hold the shoulder buttons for a long time. it never addresses questions you might have had about the first game and it's only satisfaction vector seems to be changing story beats or at least threatening to. so the gameplay loop is you silently travel to a location and see if its different or the same. ancients living a long time and losing their longevity as they integrate themselves and their bloodlines with humans is a nice detail. you could even have Gast see Ifalna as a research subject that he grows to love over time. a contrast in approach to that of hojo
No fan of the original title wanted the game to go unexpanded or even subtly changed to modernise it. (clouds cross dressing scene going from something that was quite homophobic to something much more contemporary and appropriate is a good example of ways to make things better.) but tifa getting eaten by weapon and the game stealing plot points from later simply because you couldn't think of anything is wildly frustrating. the tone deaf nanaki and seto sequence makes me think none of the staff that are there have ever had to balance any of the work they do everything is so over the top... and then sephiroth appears again!!!
having a well written 20 hour title with 100 hours of side content for the kids would keep the bloat off the mainline story and let it hit those emotional beats and maintain its pacing. We dont want these games to be the original, we just want the storytelling quality to match the original and it doesnt.
My thoughts when I saw the trailer were just wait for the modders to fix it, and that is sad.
I don't have much to say about the remake project or Rebirth, but I will say this:
I love how quick remake-fans are to show up in Orion's comment section to post stuff in the vein of "why you so upset and obsessed with this?" when clearly, they're the ones obsessively trailing RUclips for critical videos on the remake or hate-subscribing to him so they can immediately respond to anyone who *dares* publically say anything negative about the remake.
Because that's not obsessive and pathetic at all...
Or maybe it’s because RUclips recommended this toxic junk channel because the rest of us were enjoying Rebirth and Remake so much that the algorithm recommended this BECAUSE we’ve watched dozens of positive things relating to Rebirth and Remake….
Trust me, I never would’ve searched or reached out to a toxic channel, with a toxic following where all of the trolls collaborate together to complain about how the team dared to stray from the original ever so slightly.
What’s truly “obsessive and pathetic” is a youtuber and other purists that supposedly don’t like a game so much…..yet they always seem to sit there and whine and cry about the smallest changes in Remake, and are now ALREADY complaining about Rebirth. Despite the fact that it looks absolutely amazing so far.
THAT is the obsessive and pathetic part.
Literal grown children crying because you’re all too simple minded. None of you want to actually do any thinking. You just want the same exact story, knowing exactly what’s going to happen and when it’s going to happen. To be spoon fed to you lmfao.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411
I very much doubt that coming from you since you've spewed your low IQ rage elsewhere in this comment section as well, proving you're literally sticking around to bask in the very thing you said you only visited because of the algorithm.
I suppose you can't read either, or couldn't gather from the first minute or so what the video was about?
You've made the choice to stick around here and engage people, leaving multiple comments. That's not the actions of a person who just stumbled on a vid he or she has no interest in.
No, you're as obsessive as it gets, and it's readily apparent at a glance. But by all means, keep coping and seething.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 Don't let a computer algorithm choose for you how you spend your time. If it recommends you a channel that you don't like or don't agree with, just click off and ignore it. Life's too short to argue with people on the internet.
@@dudemcguy1227 Well that’s the thing. I thought I was clicking on a video for something I’d enjoy.
I didn’t think I’d find a bunch of people sitting here complaining about things that haven’t even happened yet.
I love ff7. It's my favorite game of all time. I could talk about it for days. I dont think the Remake is perfect at all, but im enjoying it nonetheless and this idea that i dont have all the answers for what's going on is refreshing. I like that i can think about it again with the lens of the remake changing things. I also think that the remake is actually trying to enhance the original ideas not destroy them, but we'll see. Overall, im glad it's not a 1:1 retelling. Maybe ill change my mind when it's done and ill say you guys were right all along, but we're not there yet.
You're entitled to your wrong opinion. This "remake" Is advent child story flooded with useless nonsense.
@@wildchameleon7622 " flooded with useless nonsense" isnt a helpful description if youre trying to dialogue with someone you disagree with. Do you want to talk about remake or are you just venting at me?
@judestongue spending 6 hours grinding boring side quests to get to the story in the slums. Advent child spirits being used in the story even though the movie did horribly. All they had to do is follow the original game with modern graphics. And they failed at such A simple task.
@@wildchameleon7622 so, in defeating those advent children spirits weve erased them from the future, because their bestiary description says theyve manifested in order to protect what gave shape to them. So if you dont like advent children then its kinda cool that there could be an alternative future now. This would also mean dirge of cerberus is not the futute either, which is also good because that was a terrible game.
The side quests that you didnt enjoy is understandable, and wasn't exactly paced well, but wasnt under the umbrella of "flooded with useleas nonsense," because if you do them all you can see an extra cutscene with Tifa where she tries to ask cloud about where he's been. Also it allows more chances to engage in the combat, which is very good and one of the best in the series.
A 1:1 remake with better graphics would be a disappointment to me overall. There are issues with the OG that could use an overhaul. For example, the way cait sith joins always seemed very awkward. Then the keystone quest was a bit haphazard because of how it's stolen but then just given to you at the entrance anyway by Tseng. Following that theres this BS with cait sith version 2. Another example is when Rufus arrives in rocket town to take the tiny bronco. This also makes no sense, he already has helicopters and airships.
Im glad they are taking some risks here with Remake and bending what a Remake can actuablly be. I also like the idea that they arent ingoring the compilation, but trying to incorporate it even though it wasnt well received before, to give some of it's ideas a second chance.
Theres no way we'd even be talking about ff7 this much if it was just recreated exactly as it was.
@@kl-nl3kv okay. First of all i can explain it quite well. You're giving me like a paragraph and then saying i cant explain it. So, that's not really fair.
Second, nomura wanted it to be more like the OG, so its not his fault. He also isnt directing Rebirth and had co-directors on the first game. You can blame Nojima for any BS that you see, who invented the story of ff7 and is writing the remake, who also seemed quite cheeky when asking fans
If they noticed the stamp chip bag.
Kitase, who directed the OG but is producing the remake wanted to kill off all the characters in the OG back in 97'. It was Nomura, who had the genius idea to kill off only Aerith. So blame nomura all you want i guess.
As for my kingdom hearts explanation....
In the OG sephiroth states at temple of the ancients that he has traveled the lifestream and gained the knowledge (consciousness in japanese) of the ancients and then says "i will create the future." This is after the temple is destroyed and produces the black materia. I see these reality bending aspects of the remake as an attempt by the devs to visually show you how sephiroth is going to create the future and become a god.
Ge says further that he will absorb the lifestream by sending meteor. At the end of remake we see him absorb all kinds of memories or lifestream in the singularity. Much of the "kingdom hearts" stuff you dont like is just greater visual enhancement of concepts from the OG.
Finally, the temple of the ancients in the OG has a broken giant clock which speaks to you and says is the time keeper. You can go forward in time or backward in time, but it does nothing and only acts as a bridge for you. Possibly this is broken because sephiroth used it or it was an old concept they didnt have time to use back in 97'.
The algorithm is not a fan of this channel. People let's try share as much as we can if we know people will feel the same way.
I have to say, this was the reflection I've been hoping to see ever since the trailer came out. Beautiful stuff as always, Orion!!
That final compilation of scenes from OG with one of the most iconic themes from The Planets playing in the background hit me in the feels, that was such a poetic music choice considering the material you're working with!
Why do so many people praise the FF7 Remake trilogy and in the same breath sh*t on a movie like Terminator Genesys?
this channel and these videos deserve more attention. Theres too many apologists that have allowed square enix to get away with mediocrity for the past decade
It doesn't matter the numbers will speak for themselves.
@@RIELTURO if you mean people will buy stuff no matter what then thats the problem. How good was that yuffie dlc!
@@michaelk1636 I meant we will see if it outsell the remake numbers.
Personally I disliked the remake and liked the yuffie dlc. I'm not buying rebirth at full price might look in youtube if the story doesn't turn full cringe
@@RIELTURO ah sorry i misinterpreted what you meant. ill be approaching rebirth the same way...but we will probably get more whispers, roche and fukheads of fate or whatever they were called
And there's also a lot of people who go out of their way to harass people for just enjoying the remake. Go look at like, almost any video that's just music from the remake, the comments get flooded with people saying it's garbage and it ruined the original and anyone who likes it is stupid.
This is how I feel about 16.
I liked remake, except the lack of choices (giving the flower to Marlene, for example)
This comment section is actually a nightmare lmao.
Move on with your day people, you don't have to watch videos that get on your nerves. Hell, you can tell RUclips to not recommend you a channel with only a few button presses if it's really THAT harmful to your mental health that someone dislikes what you like.
Watching people who have been hate-following Orion for years and commenting on just about every video he makes about the Remake ask why he is "obsessed" with the Remake, is something else.
@@anthroposmetron4475 pinnacle of irony
@orion8550 Will you release any Rebirth videos sharing your thoughts? Can't wait to see what you think! I filmed a reaction video but honestly I'm not sure if I should even upload... idk. My enthusiasm wasn't there I suppose. Hope all is well otherwise!
Hey! I don't have any plans around the new Rebirth trailer. I didn't feel much of anything watching it. Unless something later comes to mind. So I totally get you on the enthusiasm front. Would be still cool to see your video if you decide to upload it. I check in on your streams and shorts when I get time. It's very relaxing watching you play. Keep up the great work!
@@orion8550 I totally understand. It can be very draining/time consuming making content for something when your heart isnt in it.
Really appreciate it, thank you, wow. Thats awesome! Thank you very much, feel free to say hi so I can thank you live, I dont ever look at who is watching ha ha haaaaa, so awesome, thank you!
The rest of the internet: omg omg OMG I am so hype!!!!!!!1111
Orion85: Footage of the original game to the accompaniment of I Vow to Thee, my Country
This is why I love this channel.
Everytime FF tried to create a sequel it was horrible. Sometimes we forget that the last good final fantasy with a lot of debate was 12. This company isn't what it used to be in the 90' or early 00' and that's why I am more excited for 16 than 7. What scares me the most is the Marvel timeline thing and the fact that in the first part Death was so trivialized that I can't feel nothing more for anyone dying.
Story vandalism and digital necromancy
Definitely! That's modern day Squeenix.
They pulled the same with Valkyria Profile (elysium) and with Parasite Eve Third Birthday.
I played ff7 remake and it made me love the world and characters of ff7 and lead me to play Og ff7 2 times already 😁
Yeah, I mean I remeber playing FF7 in 2000, and I played Remake. I thought it was fantastic really.
Mark my words, Aerith will still die, but shortly after she'll astral project herself as a lifestream hologram that can still fight with your party until the end of the story where she disperses into the wave of Holy+Lifestream that stops Meteor. Not saying I want that to happen, just saying that's the kind of hackey crap I expect for the future of this project. I plan on not buying this game and the only thing that will change my mind is if someone overtly spoils for me that they DON'T double down on this compilation garbage. I suspect that can't possibly be the case.
I wish I could've liked that project. I can't believe I felt nothing watching this trailer with amazing visuals, but I know that behind those lie a story and themes that are completely alien from the original's.
That's what Final Fantasy is today: amazing visuals. And nothing else.
You purists are so annoying lmfao
This game looks incredible.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 Why are purists annoying? Can't stand someone valuing an identity that you don't? Can't stand someone challenging the hype culture you're a part of? Games are more than pretty visuals and cool action stunts, just saying! 🤫
@@TheHylian64 No I can’t stand people complaining about the most minuscule of differences, and having it ruin an amazing experience.
The things that they complained about from the first game were not only the dumbest things to complain about. But let’s not forget that you guys can play the original at any point.
So the fact that you purists are complaining about Rebirth without knowing literally anything about it just shows everybody that has the capacity to think objectively just how simple minded and petty you all are lol.
The shit this guy is spewing on about is nonsensical, baseless, and just untrue.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 you non-purists are so stupid and can't even read and understand comments. Yes, the game LOOKS incredible.
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I used to think that people who don't like FF7 Remake wouldn't be happy with anything new and are stuck in the past. I still think FF7 Remake was a great original game and FF7 Rebirth will be too. However, I hope after the trilogy that SquareEnix would remake the game again with it condensed to one game and truer to the original by getting feedback from you and others who didn't enjoy the remake trilogy.
All they had to do was follow the story
Again, articulating exactly what those of us who truely understood the original feel, thank you. I’m still holding on to hope that they’ve been secretly developing a faithful remake alongside this the whole time. Would require very little effort and would be an instant money maker, in fact they’d be imbecilic not to. Here’s to hoping.
I've said myself that this would ultimately be a very easy thing to do and ultimately be the easiest way to please everyone. I mean when they're done with...... whatever the hell this is they could basically asset flip a faithful Remake all they'd really need to do is record new voice lines and do some new cutscenes and bosses but since we live in the worst timeline that won't happen 😅
I’d been hoping that they’ve already been recording those lines as they go 😉 Any intelligent project lead would have done this. The rest is a piece of cake.
Very unlikely since Ever Crisis is already meant to be that alternative. The coming mobile gacha game that'll inevitably be a truncated retelling of each scenario trollololol.
Have you tried modding the PC version with 7th heaven? You can get 60fps, widescreen, AI upscaled HD backgrounds with new character models and an incredible game mode called New Threat that rebalnces all the items, materia, weapons, accessories, and armor. Its amazing.
@@off-meta-michael I actually have! I even connected my PS controller to my PC for an authentic experience 😄 Good recommendation 👍🏻
This is a very beautifully written video! But I’d caution to be a bit more patient with the remake project. A bunch of theories out there with timelines and what not, but im of the view that it’s much more simple: the first game, the developers, the marketing, even prob most if not all of the second game is lying to us. Because in the original we didn’t know what was going on until 2/3 in. So they’ve taken that theme and made it meta. The question is if whatever this new lie is will be impactful in the same way the OG’s lie and subsequent reveal of Cloud’s past was. Which might be hard to do because while the first game lied to us for like a couple days/ weeks depending on your first play through, this lie is going on 4 years. But we shall see. At least the game is fun and nostalgic af even if they fail on the payoff
I knew what was going on, the only thing that’s a mystery is the cloud reveal and that’s cleverly done using the unreliable narrative technique also. At the end of the fellowship of the ring I knew what was going on, I didn’t leave having 0 clue what was coming next because the book and film had a consistent beginning middle and end.
The OG never really lies to us about cloud, cloud is telling the truth, then sephiroth also is and so is Tifa the “lie” is that cloud was there he just had his helmet on and wasn’t in soldier and his fractured psyche inserted himself in Zacks place in the retelling due to trauma but his description of events is accurate.
@@ItsSVO I guess “falsehood” would have been a better word to use than “lie” because yeah Cloud and Tifa weren’t lying, the only one who actively was (is) lying was Seph. My point was that there is an unknown in this retelling that will (hopefully) be cleverly revealed in a similar way to that of the original. We’re not leaving Midgar/Remake having 0 idea of what is going on either. They ended Remake with mostly the same plot points in tact as the original: Cloud on a mission to find Seph not knowing he’s being manipulated, and Shinra still being an active threat to the planet. The thing that has changed is the main mystery, mainly why/ how Zack is alive. I don’t think any of the theory crafters have it right. The concern to me is whether the new mystery will have the shocking payoff that they’re clearly going for and whether it will be thematically in line with the original (loss, identity, self-acceptance, etc.)
@@superramio A problem that I experience in debates with people with similar mindset as you, and I am not the only one, is that you and I are on fundamentally different levels regarding the impact of what can be and what have been. You talk about staying in line with loss, identity, self-acceptance, etc "similar to the OG" but from my point of view these themes are very warped irreversibly by remake, and it matters in what way and how they are explored in order to "stay faithful".
Loss is very different in a world where time can be altered, compared to one where it can't. Characters can still mourn and death etc can still be felt and be very real for the characters, but you always have that "what if" within reach because if time has been altered once, it can be altered again (even if you kill the whispers, whatever they tapped into is still there and something can always take its place later). This is very different from real life loss. Tell me, have you had a loved one die? Did you wish you could change that, reverse that, have a second chance at it or get relief by getting one last moment to say goodbye? In the OG this was the point, there is no second, you cannot find that last moment because noting can go back in any capacity, whisper or other being. It is close to reality.
This is what I wanted out of a FF VII "remake" and giving "hope" misses the point to have a meta mystery. Killing other, killing the same differently, misses the point. Loss is loss, grief is grief, but narratives are important in specific ways to why and how, it shouldn't be enough to experience specific feelings because of general story telling, but rather specific feelings because of specific story. Time travel stories can still deal with themes of loss and death, but it is very different compared to a world of permanence, no seconds, no alternative, just linger pain lasting forever. It is also very different when you recontextualize the OG. Even the losses in OG is now in question because the "lore of FF VII" include time altering to be possible, so remake not only affects its own theme, but change the OG one into an exploration from the viewpoint of the new.
Identity is very different and extremely challenging to pull off even remotely similar now. They are playing with forces that might not or already have added versions of characters. Just like with loss you can still deal with this topic, like spiderverse and comics, but it is very different compared to dealing with identity in a fixed world without alternatives and what ifs that the OG didn't have. Do we care if the party has versions of "them" dying on the highway? Do we care about a person's experience when reality can have it erased? Tell me, do you consider Sylvie "The Loki" in Loki TV series? Because they are different entities, and a reality (multiverse, rewritten timeline or not) cannot have characters taking credit for their alternative selves. A prime example in FF VII remake is Zack. When people say stuff like "Zack deserves to live"/"Zack shouldn't die this time" they are in fact acknowledging this is another character. Do we like a Zack that didn't die defending Cloud, and do people realize that we can't give credit for that to this version? Why should we care about another Zack that never died as a hero back then? People faulty give credit to characters that haven't even done the deeds, but instead celebrate the deviancy in order to have a version of them alive as a personality rather than a character. It is a complicated matter, and I simplify. A problem rampant in comics and multiverse stories. I don't want to explore a time version of Zack that didn't die, especially not on the premise of literally overwriting the existence of another Zack in the world by time manipulation. I like Cloud and co, not "Cloud X and Y co". To be fair, we would always have this problem even with reboots, but then we would have a meta problem, not a time version problem and this time problem exist even just within remake itself without the context of the rest of FF VII.
My point of writing all this (that got longer than I planned) is that I encounter a lot of people that think the cost of the new mysteries is low and not interfering with the old, while I don't agree at all. The cost is very high, and the price has already been paid. You cannot erase what has already been done in remake, so it won't matter in this aspect what happens in other parts, even if we get recontextualized then. If you think the price is worth it then fine, we won't agree with each other, but please, at least acknowledge the viewpoint and that there has been a cost that people like me consider too high. Regarding the rest, the portrayal of the personalities, the gameplay etc is great, but the "new" for being "new" is just [****] and it is not because there is change, certain change in remake is good, but not all changes are equal and sometimes like in any area of life, change sucks.
@@vincentgraymore your points are all valid and I had a lot of them before, even complained to irl friends about it who know nothing about FF let alone 7 lol. My mind slowly changed on it over time to kind of just go along with the ride and see what happens. Part of what helped was reading Traces of Two Pasts and Nojima’s other works which to me are very congruent with the original. Idk, I just don’t think the devs have completely lost it, but the jury is still out for me. Don’t want to get too in to it anymore, but yeah we might just have to accept our outlooks on the Remake and it’s cost are different. I also just don’t think the multiverse, single alternate timeline, and all the time shenanigans people are talking about is the only explanation. For all we know Cloud is in the Lifestream and we’re playing through a very elaborate Lifestream sequence in which Aerith is fighting the influence of Sephiroth to bring Cloud back to the reality that she and Zack are dead.
@@superramio the issue here is that you can’t really repeat the genius of the original cloud again in a different way because it has too many moving parts to do so. What SE should’ve done is just do this reveal the same way it was before with multiple unreliable narrators.
Except you are, that’s why there’s a million theory videos and most of the forums I saw after completing the game were full of people either not knowing what was happening or giving their interpretation. That’s the problem when you shoehorn in a vague ending. You say you know what’s going on, so is Zack alive? Is sephiroth from advent children? Is the story going to play out like FF7 from now? You have to be able to answer those questions correctly at this point for that to be true.
The issue with destiny and time travel in story’s is it by proxy changes the story forever regardless of whether they now follow the Beats 1:1. This is because a story is much more than simple plot points like an ending beginning and middle. The story is everything, how it affects the characters, the emotional cause and effect. For example, if there are multiple timelines then Aeriths death doesn’t really matter, because she’s alive elsewhere in another timeline alive. Do you see what I mean? Time paradox’s change the meaning of many actions and the weight of them within the new context.
The new shocking payoff won’t be the same because it’s been manufactured in an unnatural way. Aeriths death was shocking because it happened out of the blue but also because destiny and fate was a non existent entity in FF7 so we knew she was gone. Whatever they do now to “shock” us with a random event will feel hollow because we’re aware they’re trying to shock us with something already. Reveals and events can be retold again and have the same effect as it originally did if done well, it doesn’t have to rely on shock factor. For example, I always know boromir is going to die when I watch the fellowship, but I always get emotional listening to his speech to Aragorn because the moment is beautifully acted and written. Aeriths death could’ve been the same but the writers seem to care more about “will we? Won’t we? Mystery box!” Instead of just writing the moment to hurt in other ways instead.
This obsession some people have with mystery for the sake of mystery and subverting expectations constituting good writing baffles me.
I actually felt this sentiment but with the other compilation projects instead. BC, AC, DoC and recently First Soldier made me dislike Squares management of the FF7 IP. Each new project seemed to retroactively tarnish the original game for me.
Crisis Core was a only one imo that somewhat stuck the landing. So compared to past work, Remake felt like a breath of fresh air.
How do you feel now knowing that they retroactively added the failed ideas and characters of the compilation into the remake story?
@@MASJYT staying cautious lol. For ex, I like how Weiss was used via a superboss challenge. Things that acknowledge the compilation ideas but aren't a main story focus. How they handle the Zack stuff could make or break it imho
Where's the 16 video?? 😊
You know how they couldve kept more OG fans interested in the remake? More or less, have kept it the same Remake but cut out the whispers and the fate nonsense and dont show Sephiroth til Shinra HQ but after they defeat the giant robot, have Sephiroth hovering high above Midgar while the rest wander off. You could still have kept all the mentioning of the prior game but without cut scenes and let your voice actors....act and just write vague lines about the past events....
Beautifully put, it will never be. This "FF7" will never be a shadow of what inspired it.
I see your point. I am just happy to still be alive for this to take place, anything ff7 makes me choke up I don't care anymore. I'm too tragic and these light my life up. I definitely feel the hopelessness eating this away too and I'll have to process and shed again but I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
I really don’t understand the mindset of the people who defend it. They know this was marketed as a remake of one of the most legendary games of all time. Then they shame og fans for expecting…the game it was marketed as. None of these people would have this disaster to enjoy if it wasn’t for us og fans in the first place.
If you enjoy this “remake” good for you, but don’t pretend it’s what you wanted or expected. Maybe put yourself in our shoes. No matter how people feel about the game, anyone should be able to see the deceitful marketing they used.
I wonder, who this was for? Surely not people who love the original game. And why would someone who never played the original be interested in a remake of a game they never played? To experience a legendary game that has been updated to modern quality? That’s not what this is, it’s a totally different game. I feel bad for young gamers who haven’t played the original and think playing “remake” will give them that experience, it won’t. That doesn’t mean some people won’t enjoy it, but it’s not Final Fantasy 7.
I hate the line in the trailer “the unknown journey continues.” It is not unknown. It is known, and it’s one of the best games ever made. It didn’t need to be fundamentally altered or changed to try to improve it. The original will always be remembered for the impact it had, the remake will be forgotten. I guess that’s satisfying enough for me.
Because tribalism is a thing and simple people prefer others doing the thinking for them. Look at politics these days, it’s all “my team vs your team” with 0 rational, nuanced independent thought involved. The same applies here.
A big thing to consider is that these kinds of people will love the latest and current thing even if it’s worse because it gives them a superiority complex over the “old fans” and feeds into the narcissistic side of themselves.
Yeah definitely. I also think gaming has become so popular there are a lot of people who watch videos about games but haven’t actually played very many. They form opinions based on what they hear others say, not from experience.
@@7milesdavis there’s no room for nuance and subtlety in storytelling anymore. Everything’s like fast food and requires your brain be shut off because it’s easier. This is the social media era, where everything has to be explained right on the nose so people don’t have to analyse or think, the story will make sure they know everything with no confusion. Look at the mess in Hollywood atm, real storytellers aren’t around because people don’t feally care about that anymore.
Don’t pretend to speak for all OG fans, I thought the idea of a remake when it was announced was a bad idea, the fact it now has me wondering what might happen next it was makes me interested. End result is the same and they knew that I believe because faithful remake would have still disappointed you. It would have never made you feel the same as the first time you played the original. there was no surprises left nothing left to explore.
@@Outlaw7583 It’s ok that you didn’t play the original or understand it. Anyone who did will agree with me.
If I only played the original once and didn’t really care about it, I wouldn’t really care what they did with a remake either. But a lot of us do care. The original story is why the game is so popular. A lot of people care about that and expect a remake to be…a remake.
At the very least any changes should be as good or better than the original game, that is not the case here. It’s filler crap all the way through.
Thank you for speaking for the truth.
I'm more interested now what the talented modders can do once this shitshow is all over. Then maybe we'll get closer to the 1:1 remake we all originally wanted. Before the bandwagons came in. Hell the mods on OG is are voice acted and looking amazing now. Far outdoing what this remake will ever achieve. But that's me.
Dont know... Hyper realistic moogle mating seems kinda weird. But when the graphics are Chibi and Anime, it seems to work.
I mean Sexual Harassment in the game was hilarious because it was squares, triangles making little humpy movements and whistle sounds. Have Palmer in 4k HD glory? Um....... Yeah
... Kinda weird.
(Count Dooku voice)
I've been looking forward to this.
In all seriousness though I just felt completely hollow watching this trailer I felt nothing and was left just sighing and shaking my head. Look to anyone who's on board I'm glad you're happy and excited really I am I wish I could be too but I just hate what they're doing and sorry I know Remake fans don't like hearing this but fans have the right to be disappointed and not approve of all this fan fiction timeline BS that completely goes against the original game and it's story and themes. All they had to do was just faithfully retell FF VII and what annoys me is the excuses people make just the addition of the beautiful modern graphics, voice acting and the new gameplay were enough to make the experience feel new and fresh all this BS they're doing just wasn't necessary. Sorry for the long rant but this trailer just made me really bitter 😅
I disagree. What i see with remaking reality is a visual representation of the line from sephiroth in the OG: "i have traveled the lifestream and learned the knowledge of the ancients...and i will create the future"
Could i be wrong and its multiverse marvel bullshit with no payoff? Yea. But if im right then it's a lot more exciting.
@@off-meta-michael This nonsense already played out in Advent Children...and it was horrendous!
It's a weird feeling, waiting 15 years for something, no matter how bad life got, something to look forward to. You get it finally and its bastardized, but worse than that, intentionally so. It's not FF7 anymore, a game about multiple people from all walks of life, moving forward past loss and trying to appreciate the life around them. It and all it's soulless spin offs now purely exist so whenever Square move an elbow and tweet out some half arsed comment, A flood of schizophrenic rants about Zacks cock or whatever just drown everything in pointless nothing burgers.
Even though the ending of part one really killed any hope I had for the remake i think the final nail in the coffin was how Crisis Core was remade and nothing at all was done to improve that god awful story. Good lord.
My view on Resident Evil 2 and 3's Remake exactly corelate with this as well.
To think SE have remade FFIV a good few times but can't even remake VII even once. Hence any talk of a IX Remake has me VERY hesitant to even give any positivity - because when it comes to VII: I'm completely out of confidence.
@@The_Phoenix_Saga Funny enough RE2 is up there with FF7 for me. Easily in my top 5's. Felt the gameplay was fine mostly but the characters literally doing and saying the complete opposite of what they did in the original all the way through and having none of it really line up with either character was infuriating haha. You'd think writing what's there already or fleshing it out abit more wouldn't be a problem after 20 years. It's all fucked
Yeah RE2R although good, was very bare bones compared to the original. Especially the scenarios, they completely butchered that.
I find the dialogue surrounding this whole situation more compelling than the remakes themselves. Based on everything I've seen and read, I feel like I truly lucked out because I hated what Square-Enix was doing with FF7 from the moment I finished watching _Advent Children_. As a result, I'm not invested enough to care about how ridiculous they make these remakes. For me, that movie and the spin-off games I've looked into made it perfectly clear that the people involved with the IP weren't at all interested in the themes that made the original game's story work so well. Instead, it just felt like they were putting all their money into the visuals/action and phoning in a bunch of tedious comic-book/anime bullshit when it came time to develop the plots and the lore.
I still believe they are gonna do this pseudosequel-in-alternate-timeline bullsh*t at first, but, once they have done all the assets for everything, they will assemble an actual faithful remake with it.
In that case, it’s quite brilliant, really.
I'm surprised they still kept going on with this "remake."
I have come to terms with the way they have changed the story and it pursuing an alternate story. I'll treat it as FF7 alternate and not remake. It's simply the same characters but in a different setting. Well maybe this time around Zack survives and Aeris stays alive.
It's what you say, it's just an alternative version, I don't know what all the drama is about.
@@angelemiliosantana6335 because the alternative is a poorly written mess of fan service and JJ abrams mystery box storytelling to keep people chasing the carrot ensuring they buy each new part for full price in the hopes the mystery’s have a pay off.
What I won’t be shocked at all to find out is in the end despite trying to change things with multiple timelines SE reveal that everything had to happen the way it did in the original after all. This would perfectly fit the mystery box storytelling trope to perfection and prove that the “changes” were just a shallow device to keep people guessing to retain players and make more money. Let’s see if I was right at the end.
I'll Say It Again... New Final Fantasy Games Are Less Rigid In The Options Department. Volume Sliders, Different Modes, Soundtrack Selection Sliders, Etc.
So In My Mind There Is No Reason Why They Could Not Have Satisfied Both Camps. For Combat That Is. For The Action People Just Select Action Mode In The Beginning Of The Game, & It Will Play Like It Does. For The Turn Based People Just Select Turn Base Mode At The Beginning Of The Game, & It Will Clear Out All Visible Monsters For Random Encounters. When A Random Battle Happens It's Just Like Classic Final Fantasy. Heroes On One Side Monsters On The Other Side, & Turn Base Combat Ensues.
Sure It Would Take More Time To Develop, But Overall More People Would Be Satisfied. What If Find Discouraging Is The Fact That OG Turn Base Final Fantasy Fans Were The Ones Asking For A FFVII Remake All The Back To When Advent Children Came Out. When Square Enix Finally Agreed To Make It They Just Brushed Us OG Fans Aside For The New Casual Fans Who Have Nothing Invested In It.
I Have Heard This One Will Be Closer To The Original Story, But They Say That New People Won't Even Have To Play Remake To Get Caught Up 🤦🏾♂️. I Mean The Crisis Core Remake Timing Couldn't Have Been Worse, Because That Spoiled What Comes Ahead... Alright, I'm Starting To Rant, I'll Stop. I'll Still Play This Game, But If It's Whack Then At Least I Still Got The Original, & My Memories.
Remake was made so they could resell the compilation back to the fans base again for full price. Ehh do you think Zack survives in remake? That’s right, so they can sell you Crisis core during the wait between parts. It’s all about money to SE and has been for 20 years.
I do that too…just want to make quick point and then go on ranting for hrs like a crazy cat lady.
@@ItsSVO Oh brother you gotta learn capitalization. It's Crisis Core not Crisis Core. Starting a sentence with a phrase is Uncommon and isn't appropriate In a formal setting you mentioned this formal setting when you yourself focused on grammar. Also resell is a verb. What you mean to say is repackage since that's what they are doing with Ever Crisis they haven't resold the intial compilation titles silly 😜
Whoa! I think that might be the longest initialism in the world. Have you ever used it in the abbreviated form?
While I am happy Is we are getting fan favourite locations Recreated with A updated engine i got the feeling having Separate timelines kinda kills Attention if fan favourite characters are going to die or not while I really like the team Attacks I still have this thought in my head that the Whispers will come out again and Is ruin the experience
Marketing goes into overdrive was a funny line. Like, we've only had 2 trailers with a whole year in between them.
It's odd hearing someone talk about the game like it's out of reach or something. Like, it's not the retelling of the story of FF7. It's definitely a skewed perspective. Everything points to it being the same story. And im someone who grew up with the game as well. I guess i just dont really know what you're wanting the game to be lol.
What most of us wanted, the same story retold in more detail. Not multiple timelines where Zack, a plot point becomes a main character to appease people who care more about characters than the actual story.
“Everything points to it being the same story”
Except the bit where we fought against fate and sephiroth, zack now lives in another timeline that’s undoubtedly going to merge with the other. That isn’t FF7, a game about life, loss and the finality of death and finding drive and purpose in spite of all of these things.
The trailer looked incredible and pulled me right back in, but there's some lingering resentment and fear over the whispers and changes. It's pretty clear that they've lost sight of the major themes of FF7, but I'm still hoping that all the changes is just to make people hope Aerith lives so that they can come closer the same feeling of shock from 1997. Either way, not all of Remake was bad (chapter 2 was my favorite additon) and it did help me love the OG FF7 even more. Hopefully, one day a mod can combine the remakes into something more resembling the OG.
If your standard for good or acceptable storytelling is them making asinine changes purely to subvert expectations then I don’t know what to say. Good storytelling doesn’t need to rely on such shallow contrivances. Look at the lord of the rings trilogy, it adapted the original work and made necessary changes to have it fit on film but it didn’t resort to cheap “tricks” to subvert fans of the series expectations. Gandalf died true to the books, because it matters how it’s done not if it is. Nobody enjoyed those films less because they already knew the outcome, something SE and remake fans don’t understand because they don’t care about the integrity of a narrative, they care about fan-service and social media points/reactions.
@@ItsSVOI totally agree on this and you can tell because so many people replay FF7 over and over again. Knowing what happens doesn't ruin it, if anything it makes it better. I wish they were just doing a straight-up remake with more details, but I'm just trying to make the best out of what we have to work with.
It's clear at this point it's not going to be a replacement for the OG or live up to it in telling the themes, and I was depressed after the whispers and ending made me realize that. At this point, we just have to live with what we get and find the good in it or not buy it and lament. Hopefully, by the end, the whole remake will all be something with more positives than negatives. At this point, I'm 50/50 on whether that's going to be the case. Rebirth will be the decider.
@@Paul-to1nb SE could say anything and these people will instantly adopt it and parrot it as justification. SE said remake had to be midgar only due to them wanting a fully exportable midgar only to give us the same amount of it that the OG gave us access to and people did the same thing, they instantly started regurgitating the idea that the first instalment had too much content to deliver and HAD to be one part alone, only for it to be filled with padding and time wasting to stretch but to 40 hours worth.
I’ll still play the games because the combat and boss battles are incredibly fun but the narrative is awful and it won’t get any better, just like disneys Star Wars trilogy didn’t after the first instalment. I just won’t confuse me having fun with the combat as the game being good or the story well written, two things can be accurate simultaneously.
Exactly. Jessies side quest was the only upper plate part really. And hilarious you got warned to turn back if you even thought about exploring. Terrible design.
@@ItsSVO Btw lord of the rings needs to be capitalized you seem to struggle with that a lot in your comments lol. It's Lord of the Rings either in quotation, italicize, or underline.
Your sentences also need comma splices repetition of a "," makes the sentence jumbled used a semicolon instead.
Just fixing your grammar 4u 🤓👋
They'll bring Zack over from the other timeline or merge dimensions. They won't kill anyone. Ppl dont want a good story they want their ships and a happy ending. I wanted aerith to live... but maybe from a long hard side quest or her own little dlc. Who knows. I'll play it anyways. I'd like cid to be in rebirth... maybe go different with the story but I doubt it
But isn't this the point of the FF7 Remake series? That its effectively a sequel to the original? Rebirth can change the end result of all the events we're familiar with and it would still fit the writers view of how the story should progress. The devs said we will see the same events, just maybe in a different order. I'm still looking forward to Rebirth, and honestly I'm surprised there is such disdain for the project.
@@kl-nl3kv There are always bad illogical eggs but I actually love both the OG and the Remake. Both parties have valid points but I feel if this is the original creator's direction we can be free to hate or love it :)
Nobody asked for this.
I think a lot of people seem to not understand the point of remakes.
It's not just to revisit past games but to bridge the gap between longtime fans and current fans who felt alienated from the newer titles.
And let's be honest here, modern Square Enix cannot write for shit.
The story was the LAST thing that needed a overhaul.
It doesn't even matter if they follow similar story beats because the overall tone and theme of the game is now ruined.
The OG wasn't about "what could have been" but acceptance of loss and overcoming grief by putting the past behind you.
Somehow, Square missed that"adding "alternate timelines" and" defying destiny " as the theme of the Remake which contradicts the original.
For example, Barrett's arc is now lost because they decide to allow Biggs and Wedge (possibly Jessie) to live when later in the game in the original, he had to live with the fact that his quest for revenge got more people killed and he had to live with that guilt just like what happened in North Corel...
That's now lost. Also shifting the blame of the Mako bombings now absolve Avalanche of any responsibility for any casualties , removing the many nuances the characters had.
They changed way too much, so much to where we should ask, is this even FF7 anymore?
Remake will never be anything but neatly packaged and steeply priced nostalgia. What really matters is how much any one person likes the sound of untangling the thin, high quality plastic.
Agreed. The thing, is for me the remake isn’t even nostalgic because there is so much I don’t recognise in it so the promise of nostalgia isn’t even enough for me anymore.
Yeah, they duped alot of core OG fans and now that we know whats up, their numbers and projections are going to plummet. Everyone who "adores" Remake doesn't REALLY care about FF7 as a story (or even FF as a franchise). They only care about hype and how far it can take THEM. The hype is already dying out with this game because it's not riding on the shoulders of us TRUE fans anymore now that we know it's not a real remake, or even an accepted change of story (the writing is TERRIBLE) . NOW, this game has to impress these new "fans" on it's own. Stand on it's own legs as a great (not just good, but great) game. IT WONT. You can already FEEL the sentiment around the new trailer for Reborn... its MEH AF. They're STILL trying to use classic and cherished locales/moments as to goad core OG fans into helping to hype it up... but it's falling flat. And now the new "fans" have to pretend they are excited for this underwhelming bs... ALONE. Without the help of the core fans, and mark my words, they will not be in for the long haul. As they ALWAYS wouldn't have.
That’s how I feel. Anyone who thinks this “remake” is good either never played the original, or didn’t really understand and appreciate the original like so many of us who grew up with the game.
Bro you have some serious issues 😂😂 stop acting like you know what people think clown ...you don't like the remake then stop moaning and go play OG...I'll give you this and it's the good honest truth because i don't need to pretend for some weird guy online my first ff7 game was REMAKE...I was so lost in the end but it got me completely hooked on everything ff7....I've finished OG FF7 TWICE because of Remake and played everything else in the compilation but i know your hard on is mostly on the og so I'll say it again i played and loved all of it BECAUSE OF REMAKE...this man said fans will "pretend to like it " some og fans are the definition of pathetic...I bet you are crying about F16 being an action game under every post too...time changes so adapt or stay bitter, have the day you deserve 👋🏼
@@7milesdavis You people talk amongst yourselves in these bitter video's and make assumptions about people you don't even know 😂
@@Ahmed-og2jm They aren’t assumptions, I know. You people should play the original.
@@7milesdavis 🤦🏽♂️ I literally finished OG FF7 TWICE after finishing REMAKE loool see this is your whole argument a bunch of nonsense based on false assumptions created in sheltered hate filled communities or video's like this 😂 whatever man
it only game why you have to be mad
Plenty of people are mad because they were tricked into buying something they didn't want, with a promise of something they had been asking for well over a decade.
@@ZealSeraphlegit, there were interviews that the story was going to be different, that it was a reimagining of the story.
At that point it's like being told you're allergic to cheese, and eating cheese anyway.
@@camharkness Wasn't it Kitase himself saying how the story will stay intact despite having some changes? I don't know what interviews you read, but those were the ones I came across and put my faith in. It's incredibly unreasonable to assume that everyone keeps up with every little bit of information about every game they're interested in at all times and from all sources, especially considering many of the interviews were given in only japanese, and translated by some third party, leaving room for errors and misunderstandings. Which is why companies need to be transparent about their products and not mask them under misleading names like Square did. The simple fact that they used the word remake is already proof enough that they were aiming to trick people. The developers don't live in a vacuum. They knew full well that FFVII Remake has been the holy grail near every FF fan wanted, and they used that hype to advertize something completely different. What other reason would there be to call it a remake if it wasn't to fool people?
At the very least cheese products make it loud and clear that they include cheese. Customers don't have to go online and look up some obscure interviews from the dairy company to find out wether the product might or might not have the thing they don't want. If you want to make this comparison, SE would've had to say outright that this is a sequel, not a remake. Or better yet, mention it on the box, so the customers could make the purchase without having to do research online, probably ending up getting massive spoilers in the process.
@@ZealSeraph im gonna be real I could have been lied to, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have come off as harsh as I did.
@@camharkness That goes for the both of us really. Think nothing of it.
I'll be honest with you I play the original when growing up and I do love absolutely love the remake of an event 7 and I'm looking forward to the next one and the next one after that because it's a continuation of the story and I loved it as the gameplay I think it's even better than ever turn bases extremely boring and they're really care for turn-based gameplay but hey they do have that in there a little bit
The issue that I have with the approach you are taking on this beloved story is that the OG is set in stone, perfect or perfectly loved and anything that changes any aspect of that story is apparently egregious and taints the entire story. When the OG definitely had literal moments where we had to just say, “I guess that just happened and I have to accept it.”
They never had to revisit this franchise, but they clearly are trying to revisit in a way that will both excite old fans as well as draw in new lovers of the story, characters and so on.
In fact, many people played the OG in anticipation of Remake and many who haven’t, are now curious to play the OG as this new trailer is intriguing them.
That’s why I wish people who long for a 1-1 faithful retelling would put aside their own desires a bit for what they wanted, because regardless of wether or not you liked that they went to surprise us with new or different things, they have been successful in both reinvigorating this franchise and getting people to play both remake and the OG.
I can't speak for everyone that dislike 7R but I know I wasn't against any type of change whatsoever. I really like the new gameplay system, I really like most of the revisited OST, I like the voice acting and I really liked the chapter where we go see Jessie's parents. But then there are changes/additions that are either in contradiction with what the original work was trying to convey or straight up incompetently written.
I don't disagree on the fact that th remake brought new people toward the OG, and that's great. but it also made people believe that the Remake's story is also the original's story, because that's what remakes are supposed to be, and I find it pretty sad that some people will never experience the original story.
Also I don't get why the people who wished for a 1-1 faithful retelling should be the one to put their own desires aside, why would we not be allowed to be selfish but you guys are ? And yes they surprised us, but surprise and change isn't always good, and in that case I'd argue it isn't. I'm completely convinced a 1-1 retelling was the choice that'd please the most peoplee. I guess I can at least appreciate the risk taking, but personally I think it's a straight up fail.
I appreciate the perspective, but I have to respectfully disagree. I can’t help but think, that there should be a little care and attention taken with not only one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time, but to also show even an ounce of respect to such a generous fanbase, that were so vocal over decades, asking for a faithful retelling of their favourite game, that the company actually did it. If calling it a ‘slap in the face’ is putting it lightly, then the false marketing, complete disregard for the original themes of the game which made it so great, or the in-game “meta” commentary about a toxic fanbase exemplified perfectly by Aerith’s comment "Every time the Whispers touch me, I lose...a part of myself," would in fact be more akin to taking a Jurassic Park sized steamy dump on them instead. They could have done this to ANY title, why the one with so much prominence, consequence and stature? It dumbfounds me to say the least.
@@JeanBobInnelemonde I grew up with the OG and that game shaped the course of my gaming interests. But I’m not alone, FF7 was truly a game that revolutionized not only JRPG/RPG but all gaming and many gamers were impacted. While it may make sense to then say, “don’t mess with what made it great, keep it faithful” I would also argue that revisiting such a story and only cleaning things up on such an influential game sounds like a missed opportunity.
What if the developers wanted to recreate the same thrill they were able to accomplish like they did in ‘97? Even people who never played FF7 know who Sephiroth is and who Aerith are and what happens to her. Her death was visceral and felt the world over. So why not take a fresh approach or give players that had dreamed of a reality to keep Aerith alive a hope that this could happen? It could be another iconic moment when they realize they cannot.
I will agree on the point that they should have never said it wasn’t going to change, if they always planned on changing things. But we also haven’t seen the full conclusion so we don’t have the full vision. Also, many things in the OG were vague and unclear what actually was happening or how things just magically resolved themselves. They would have had to make adjustments for these things anyways, so getting a 1-1 means we are still left out of the loop of many things, and that isn’t smart game design.
I’m willing to set aside my desires because I was in the 1-1 remake camp as well. I literally wanted a remake when I saw how good FF8 looked a year later. I could only imagine seeing a world like in the recent trailer and now I can. And I find it sad that players who still want a 1-1 like this YT are lamenting basically the death of a game they loved instead of celebrating like many others. I’m sad that they are letting what they want get between them and what they are being given. Because at the end of the day, it never needed to be remade. And it’s clear to me the people responsible for these decisions are doing their best to create a game anyone can pick up and be excited for. And it’s getting many new timers coming into the OG FF7 scene, so I only see things moving positively, despite not having a true remake.
Again, appreciate the perspective, and if I had to choose between nothing and what we got, I’d choose what we got. The battle system, the character designs, most of the soundtrack and a good portion of the voice acting were impeccable. One thing I find myself constantly repeating to people though, is this: what if instead of subverting our expectations through cheap changes to the storyline, they focused all those resources and energy into subverting our expectations through EXECUTION, using the parameters of OG and it’s storyline. I’ve always been a proponent of ‘OG plus’, meaning feel free to add tastefully, but stay within your lane. Imagine what we would’ve got if they’d done this? I feel robbed of many scenes, particularly of the initial meeting between Cloud and Aerith.
Most of us didn’t want a 1:1, but we wanted the fucking same themes and overall story, not a sequel.
So my favorite game has always been the OG FF7, and I actually feel like the Remake did a beautiful job at adding those new story elements without completely losing the familiarity of the world we know and love. Of course we do know now that Final Fantasy 7 Remake is actually more of a sequel than just a remake but I truly didn't mind that at all. I can appreciate that by "Changing Fate" in the new game they are acknowledging the originals presence instead of just ignoring it completely and changing things up for no reason. It just makes me kind of sad for the other OG fans who can't fully enjoy the FF7R games because of the underlying resentment from not getting a faithful remake because FF7R does have such an amazing story in my opinion.
They could’ve acknowledged the original properly by remaking it with the themes intact. You don’t mind the changes because you care more for nostalgia and the characters more than the narrative. Would The Lord of the rings fans be ok with an adaptation introducing plot ghosts that interfere with “fate” or not? Of course not, because they care about the narrative and what made that story what it was. We, the fans of the narrative care about the same thing in regards to final fantasy 7 and the series in general.
You say remake has an amazing story, then tell me what you believe makes it amazing? I’m interested to hear your points.
@@ItsSVO It's literally the same story as ff7 just expanded lol....the story will or can branch out but it didn't do that enough to be considered it's own story....the story can be considered beautiful because of how much back story it introduced to many characters like Jesse, Wedge and Biggs....Barrets relationship with Marlene, Aerith and Cloud, Tifa and Aeriths friendship etc....you people probably didn't even finish remake ( you don't have to) but speak on it and just focus on the negatives...there you want reasons i gave you reasons....you do know many og fans probably did in fact enjoy it and it's expanded narrative...Remake is MUCH more then the plot ghosts you obsess about...anyway I'll leave you to go back to hating 🤷🏽♂️ can't change a stubborn Man tied with nostalgia
@@Ahmed-og2jm interesting! Can you point me to when the arbiters of fate were introduced in the original FF7 or when Zack was alive? Furthermore, why did my disk one not have a battle against the physical representation of fate followed by sephiroth when I played it in 1997? Which bit of the game was that because I clearly missed it considering you’re saying it’s the same story.
I’m not tied to nostalgia, I just prefer remade stories being the same story and not something entirely different. For example, I love The Lord of the Rings books and film trilogy, because they’re the same story and themes.
I’m guessing you love the remake so much you feel the need to comment on channels that didn’t enjoy it and call people “purists” because that’s the rational thing to do when you genuinely enjoy a product apparently! Thanks for proving Orion’s point about the remake fans perfectly though.
@@ItsSVO and i can't see my reply 🤔
@@ItsSVO So i guess you missed the part where i said remake can or will branch out more in the future...the story is in fact almost all the same base storyline with expansions till the last chapter buddy all the og events happen...and again I've seen this big brain argument by someone else in this video 😂 i was checking out rebirth videos before the ff16 stream and stumbled across this video...I've never seen a video by this guy before so i just felt the need to response to some of the nonsense arguments created here...since you are so loud with your hate of remake what's the problem with someone challenging your nonsense? Since you have this point what's the problem with me challenging it or is everyone supposed to agree with you 😂
This is the most eloquent fanboy hate i have ever heard. 👍
And they’re all in the comments doing exactly the things he’s saying they would. I have to believe they’re paid bots because they say the same things in the same ways like sheep.
Well said, couldnt agree more... its been tainted by overblown Ego's...
Come on over to Team Remake Hype. It's much better over here :p
Im still pissed they sold us a lie to begin with. From that very moment onwards ive had nothing but a distaste for square. Anything they put out I automatically side eye. Theres a small ff7r community on youtube that give the game some love whilst theres the sony fanboys who shill it cause “exclusive” tho they never bought or played it 😂. Even still the majority think otherwise. The sales prove that. Had they just said right from the get go re-imagining. I think the game would have been more of a success. Since ppl can go into it not already expecting anything. Even if its a flop doesn’t matter since sony supplying the development cost so I doubt square is out of pocket.
If this was there way of trying to get ppl back into final fantasy then yh they failed. As for getting getting new players into the franchise sure its a success.
What if I told you 're-imagining' is exactly the word they used to describe the game from the very beginning? lol
'They sold us a lie' has always sounded like a victim mentality because that's exactly what it is. You're perfectly welcome to feel that way, of course. But eventually, you gotta move on.
Jeez. Cheer up mate 😅
Nothing was ever perfect to begin with, Orion. Even if what we experienced touched all of us and changed the whole world back in 1997, it doesn't mean that reality represents a "singularity" despite how impactful it was to any of us personally. The inherit nature of our reality is ever changing and shifting in a cycle of death and rebirth and everything we do is something in between. It's a game like FFVII that illustrates a higher ideal, where the things that really matter survive on as a manifestation from the lifestream, and the real message is that our creative power can channel these long forgotten virtues into something that honors the past. The producers of REMAKE know this, which is why we can rest assured the REMAKE series is just as much a labor of love as the OG, probably even more so despite their profit seeking motive. Consider "New Midgar" the reborn capitol of Shinra after they have probably left most of the planet a wasteland, shows us that even bad actors know the road to hell can be paved with good intentions.
This is fine. I like not knowing whats going to happen. Its way better than watching a polished up rerun of the same story over and over again.
You're entitled to that opinion. The purpose of this video is to help validate the feelings of those who feel disenfranchised by the reality that your opinion is now the master narrative in all of this. I'm along for the ride, but loved the original story and would've preferred the remake that was advertised.
Do you feel the same way about The Lord of the Rings adaptation? Would that have been better if they changed the fellowship of the ring to the point plot ghosts intervened at pivotal moments? People who believe good storytelling is “keeping me guessing” do not love good storytelling, they like subversion of expectations, a cheap trick that is overdone and overvalued in this day and age because of tik tok and other social media.
I agree. I played and loved the original same year it came out. And I'm glad the new games aren't the same so I'm actually surprised instead of just "wow. Pretty graphics. I already know what's gonna happen, though."
@@lucent7000 Surely not knowing what’s going to happen and being excited about that prospect means you just want a new story with the FF7 characters instead of a remake of FF7 no? Essentially you want an official fan fiction.
For example, when The lord of the rings trilogy was announced I was excited to experience the Tolkien story in its entirety, not a completely different story but featuring the same characters to keep me guessing. Knowing what happens in a story isn’t a bad thing, what’s actually important is how those moments are written, the emotion they stir in us from our own experiences. There’s no surprise the most enjoyed and anticipated scenes in remake are the ones that also appear in FF7OG, not the new additions.
@@ItsSVO That's the thing. It isn't actually a remake. It's a sequel.
This is sobering. I almost feel gaslit by all the hype for this game and how much like a bad soap opera all the leading theories and revelations about the game feel. It's not Final Fantasy 7 and it's a huge step down from what we could have had.
With that said, I'll probably buy this game on sale given I'll probably be able to enjoy it as a "so bad it's good" game. Though I understand why others might just skip it.
Also it's nice to know SE is still lying. They said this would be more in line with the old games but clearly it's not.
@@agenerichuman Thankfully this time around it's much easier to see through the lies and nostalgia baiting.
@@kl-nl3kv You say that as if it’ll make any difference , I get where you’re coming from - but this is a lot of people’s first time with FF7 naturally they’re going to gravitate to it , there’s nothing wrong with enjoying the game - but I can understand the pains of the og fans, I’m one of those new fans I have played both the remake and the original , and even so - I still loved both , and appreciate them for what they are.
@@kl-nl3kv In that case I can empathize with you on that front, I might be new but I do understand how loving something for so long being changed the way you wouldn't like can be hurtful.
Don't get me wrong, I really like what they're doing with the remake, although maybe "Sequel" would be more fitting instead? I don't know but - I can understand both sides of the argument.
But in the very least there's Ever Crisis coming up! - I hope you have a wonderful day friend.
I just didn't like how they tried to flesh out Midgar with characters people do not give af about. I also hated how they showed my boy Sephiroth so early, it absolutely killed the hype behind one of the most iconic villains in gaming. I'm hoping they took the constructive criticism and blow us away with rebirth but idk.
The reasoning from the developers for showing Seph early was “everyone already knows who he is, so there’s no point.” Which is ridiculous. Remake should’ve been an opportunity to show new fans why Sephiroth was such a looming presence
@@hollyshock8400 Exactly this.
@@hollyshock8400 even worse when rogue one showed SE exactly how to make one of the most well known villains scary again. It requires skill and sadly SE have shown they just don’t have that in them when it comes to writing.
Don't get mad at the Devs. Get mad at Sephiroth. He's the one altering memories. Imo that makes him an even better villain. Maybe even the GOAT
what did i just read
God damn, touch gras outside.
Most people remember 7 as a groundbreaking title for the time...and then they are mad or sad to see any sort of creativity involved in a new project 20 years later. If they made games your way ff7 never would have been made to begin with. Praising the original so highly and then writing off the work of the same people who made said beloved original game, before you even experience it. Absurd lol
This makes no sense. Why would FF7 not have been made? This remake isn’t made by the same people, there is no Sakaguchi involved and running and fine tuning the project. Also, just because some of the writers of the original are also working on this doesn’t mean if cannot be shite. Have you read final fantasy x-3’s proposed story by the same write of FFX? The perfect example to prove my point.
There is nothing wrong with injecting creativity into a remake project but the creativity has to actually be good or improve upon the original work which isn’t the case with remake.
I will enjoy every bit of it. I liked the old OG game. But I like more new stuff. They're the creators. I'll let them inspire and blow my mind more with their creativity. I'm excited to play and find out more. If all of you want to miss out, you're just not a real FF7 fans. You're just stuck in the past. Let it go and your minds a bit and see where it goes first. You can't be that affected that the direction isn't like the OG story if you've already know what the story is.
This makes no sense. Surely a true FF7 fan are the ones who want the story of FF7 told in its entirely, not the ones who are happy for a different story with the same characters. The latter isn’t FF7, it’s a random story with a FF7 lick of paint.
@@ItsSVO Dude, it's their game and as an artist, they can paint whatever they want. Maybe after 23 years, they have new ideas that they wanted to implement, maybe they want to spice up the story so it's new and shock people again before these old folks retire, or maybe you all should lay off the pacifier and just wait and see. They spent a lot of their time and energy creating a beautiful game for all of us to enjoy. The new gameplay is fun to play and with no bugs and it will get even better with Rebirth.
I only want a one to one remake for FF9, but hey if they go for a different direction, I'll be happy about it too. As long as I can enjoy the music, the gameplay and storytelling, I'll throw money at them. That's what it means to be a true fan, to enjoy and support their work. Not criticize everything they do and wish for their failure like some of these "fans" in here. I didn't like FF15, didn't like the gameplay, or that the story has to be told from different places. So I didn't buy it, that's it, end of story.
Basically, quit bitching all the time and let the creators create!
@@Othillde Thanks I will. Shame you didn't enjoy it. And it is silly, fans are just to cringe and wanting things their way. Play it if you enjoy it and avoid it if you don't. But people like to sit comfortably and complain about other people's hard work.
@@Othillde I think the argument is more who are fans of FF7 and who are fans of the compilation complete with its countless retcons. I don’t like remake because it’s not FF7, it’s the compilation which contradicts the OG and undermines it. The same reason I hate Rings of Power and love The lord of the rings trilogy, because one respects and elevates the original and the other has little to do with the source.
@@maskyy5316 Here's the thing, people spend money on these games.
If you are buying something and the person sold you something you didn't asked for, you'd have every right to complain.
Truth is,Square Enix lied. They knew longtime fans wanted a faithful adaptation of the original yet they snuck in this surprise ending that retcon the OG and now we're getting a brand new story.
Many of us didn't want that because modern Square Enix cannot write for shit and whatever new storylines they come up with will be as garbage as the more recent FF games and that was proven to be right with the inclusion of the Whispers and multiverse crap they shoehorned into the story.
FF7s story was grounded. All this talk about "destiny" and "multiverse" has no place in it.
It was a game that themed itself with the tragedies of life and overcoming grief (Cloud's last name is Strife for god's sake). People died in the original,and when that happened, that was it.
No time ghost swooping in to revive anyone because"it's not their time" yet. which pushed the development of characters in the game and actually made an impact with the story that pulled players in.
It may as well not be Final Fantasy 7 anymore.
It's just JRPG with genetic "defying destiny" no.8,957
this is the funniest video ever. the guy is reading a poem as if something really tragic happened, like the loss of a loved one (in real life). All that happened was that they made a remake that isn't exactly like he wants it to be 🤣 you people are so sad.
Rebirth is looking pretty great, looking forward to it.
fr😭 i couldnt even watch this without laughing
This is a lot of gassing over a badly translated jrpg from 97.
I mean... the original still exists. I'd hardly call it painful for me personally, just feel sorry for people who have remake and rebirth as their first experience with it. For a few reasons.
1: The plot ghost nonsense is obnoxious.
2: The pacing is garbage in comparison since it's one game split into three games filled with padding.
3: The main villain Sephiroth goes from a threatening villain with great build up and showing his power to give a sense of dead, to an annoying idiot that keeps popping up at random times to say some stupid line. With the original sephiroth it's "Oh no it's him! What's he going to do!? " but with the sequel... "Oh it's him again. Quick just say your goofy line and leave thinking you're mysterious and interesting even though you're nothing more than fanservice at this point"
Sephiroth is just trailer bait at this point. He shows up to say his cool line that's going to be in all of the advertisements and promotions before leaving without doing anything of substance. He's so dull and shallow now that I don't even care what he's up to. Not helped by the fact that there are so many other Sephiroths in this universe with Kadaj, Yazoo, Loz, Angeal, Genesis, and Weiss to the point that the original doesn't even feel special anymore.
Pretentious
It's a sequel. Get over it or just don't support it. I'm personally happy that it went the sequel route, and that the "Remake" in the title was a subtitle, rather than what it was "supposed" to be.
There's a rumor that Rebirth is 50% new content. If true, either get over it or just ignore it like you do other things you don't support.
He’s not supporting it. He also won’t ignore it, free speech is for all. If YOU don’t like the videos then you don’t have to be here.
I mean, if Square was being honest about it being a sequel in the first place, I don't think anyone would've had a problem with it.
If square enix would've market as a sequel in a parallel universe. I would'nt had bought it.
@@RIELTURO Same. But then, that only means they themselves had no faith in this project being able to carry itself.
The mere fact that Aeris is called 'Aerith' is enough for me to think these cash grabz are counterfeit versions of the OG. I've heard all the explanations before for that spelling, but there's one thing no one can deny. She was 'Aeris' in the _only_ FF7 product that has ever or will ever matter: the original on the PS1. So Rebirth is a PS5 exclusive? >.O Yeesh, I foresee this selling like lighter fluid in Hell, but I could be wrong. I'd buy a PS5 for an _actual_ FF7 remake, just sayin.
SMH… the original and ever crisis will be options, Remake was a absolute masterpiece, rebirth will be even better.
A masterpiece? Those textures and side quests surely were something. I’m glad it rightly won game of the year, oh wait…
@@ItsSVO a masterpiece isn't a question. Nor did you really frame it as a question. Not only this you are doing the extended pause which also is incorrect you wouldn't use that in English class Mr. Remember no typos or unprofessional work allowed.
Rebirth will be AMAZING....Sorry OG purists
Get your mom to buy you the original game on your pink switch lite and play that.
@@7milesdavis damn bro what a roast 😂 I have my own ps4 in my own apartment that I live in...that's also where I play ff7 og...I can literally show you a video and a save file of me playing it 💀 you people are like bots repeating the same did argument...so I'll just shock you with this remake made me love ff7s world so much that i played og ff7 and finished it twice....let's see how many times i have to repeat this for you programmed hate bots 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you don’t like it then you can always play the original game? 🤷🏽♂️ stop crying over a new take on a game we all cherish and love. The original was perfect, we didn’t need it remade. I’m glad they’re taking a new direction with remake 🙌🏽
“We didn’t need it remade”
No, but we wanted it remade for nearly 20 years, that’s literally what the majority asked for since that tech demo released all those years ago. Why is it ok that you’re glad yet others are not allowed to be critical or disappointed?
@@ItsSVO we are all allowed to feel what we feel. I’m saying the original was just perfect, the graphics and MIDI music have their own contemporary charm about them - I wouldn’t change anything about the OG. If people are unhappy with the new one, then they can go back and play the OG, because it really is the perfect game
@@flyaroundyourfire that’s not at all what you said. Why are you now lying after ridiculing the person making the video because he has a different view to you? It seems based on your first post that we’re not allowed to feel what we feel unless it’s overwhelming positivity and to drop our standards however low to do so.
@@ItsSVO so I’m not allowed to feel empathy after recognising that maybe my first comment may have come off too strong? We all share a love for FF7, that’s why I backtracked 👍🏽
@@flyaroundyourfire Your humility is commendable. I've said things that came off too strong in the past and owning up to that is always a good thing.