Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Critique

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  • Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
  • Join me as I follow Cloud and friends out of Midgar and into a world that seems stranger still. It's time for Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth to shoulder Remake's multiverse of baggage, but is it up to the task?
    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 Intro
    00:04:55 World Map
    00:09:32 Towns and iconic locations
    00:15:45 Multiverse
    00:20:25 Sephiroth
    00:27:36 Crossing the world
    00:31:33 Barret and Dyne
    00:38:18 Losing the magic
    00:44:23 Aerith's moment
    00:48:14 Outro
    Credits:
    © SQUARE ENIX
    CHARACTER DESIGN: TETSUYA NOMURA / ROBERTO FERRARI
    LOGO ILLUSTRATION: © YOSHITAKA AMANO
    Dumb and Dumber - New Line Cinema
    Star Wars Trilogy - Lucasfilm
    The Fellowship of the Ring - New Line Cinema, Wingnut Films
    Sliding Doors - Miramax Films, Paramount Pictures
    Pexels:
    Friends Wearing Their 3D Glasses - cottonbro studio
    A Man Looking at the Mirror - Ron Lach
    A Couple Playing A Game Of Jenga At Home While Having A Glass Of Wine - cottonbro studio
    A Couple Playing A Game Of Jenga At Home - cottonbro studio
    Setting The Pillows On The Bed - cottonbro studio
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  • @orion8550
    @orion8550  Месяц назад +32

    Remake critique: ruclips.net/video/0mZIJ9gHTqQ/видео.html
    Intermission critique: ruclips.net/video/uP_YxSDNSAE/видео.html

  • @sherlock7898
    @sherlock7898 Месяц назад +675

    Came here from Think Before You Sleeps channel.

  • @ActionSquintRingo
    @ActionSquintRingo Месяц назад +844

    The issue with Rebirth and Remake is that both games set out to answer questions that nobody ever asked in the first place.

    • @ActionSquintRingo
      @ActionSquintRingo Месяц назад +15

      @@kl-nl3kv no. the compilation was a sequel that built off the first game with stories directly interconnected to the main plot. The REMAKE and REBIRTH stories was multiverse what if flabbergasted. Its like.. Gynesis makes sense because he ties into the Crisis Core story line and makes a appearance after Dirge post credits. The story of Danizel makes sense because it tells the story about what happened to midgar after Meteor's failed summoning and those affected by Genosimga.
      The new games do none of that, attempt to retcon and insult everyone by saying it already happened in a different universe. Its time to stop deflecting and making excuses, let's own up that these aren't exactly good stories let alone good games.

    • @steeltown2946
      @steeltown2946 28 дней назад +10

      ​@@ActionSquintRingorebirth isn't good? I swear ppl choose to hate on anything. 2 years later, yall will be praising the game🙄

    • @ActionSquintRingo
      @ActionSquintRingo 28 дней назад +8

      @ steel
      people are not even praising Remake and the darn game is still too high! its been almost 6 years now lol.

    • @ActionSquintRingo
      @ActionSquintRingo 27 дней назад +4

      @@kl-nl3kv I'm not really sure where you are even going. And I answered your questions. Compilation was a sequel with interconnected stories. The Remake Rebirth wasn't a remake, wasn't a retelling, wasn't a sequel but something entirely different. Hence one of the many reasons it failed. If you didn't play it, thats fine. But being ostracized for not liking Remake or Rebirth is crazy, it does more damage to the title than anything else could. I mean Sony and Square are splitting. Not even getting into that but that's a radical departure and we all know why. (It isn't multiplat issues).

    • @Victorcolongarcia
      @Victorcolongarcia 27 дней назад +3

      Rebirth is great except for the ending. From the moment you reach the temple of ancients til the end you see everything going off logic 😂

  • @romandraco1213
    @romandraco1213 16 дней назад +52

    I think what annoys me the most is after all of this, Sephiroth's plan is literally the same thing but with multiverse. Not only that, but his plan is terrible. Dude couldn't beat one Cloud, so he creates infinite Clouds to whoop his butt harder. He even tries to kick Zack and Aerith out of the pocket dimension because he can't handle Cloud having teammates.

    • @hollyshock8400
      @hollyshock8400 12 дней назад +9

      OG Bizarro Sephiroth: It takes the entire party working together to defeat him.
      Rebirth Bizarro Sephiroth: Cloud and Zack solo him.
      Sephiroth as a powerful, threatening villain has been utterly ruined, thanks Square

  • @ChaosAngelZero
    @ChaosAngelZero Месяц назад +161

    Doctor Kitase in the Multiverse of Mehness.

  • @Dreamboum
    @Dreamboum 5 дней назад +10

    I just want to say that I saw a tweet about this video and how it's a grift, but seeing the part about Barret and Dyne really communicated everything I was thinking and more. I really cannot bring myself to play more of that game since then. The issue with Rebirth is that it decided the only way to remake FF7 was to be loud, to be spectacle after spectacle. OG FF7 was a blockbuster from top to bottom, but knew when to stop and to deliver on emotional beats that deserved its time. Now you cannot even let the viewer experience Barret grieving without throwing a Palmer comedy show and a RE5 gatling sequence.
    I think Rebirth marks a point where the FF audience doesn't want to think, they don't even want a story, they just want FF to be the warm blanket of their childhood and Rebirth provides that. At that point what more is there to expect?

    • @orion8550
      @orion8550  4 дня назад +4

      Thanks for giving the video a chance! I hope anyone who would give it a chance would see I'm a genuine FF fan with genuine feelings about the series (whether they agree with those feelings or not).

  • @billyboleson2830
    @billyboleson2830 13 дней назад +29

    I see fans of FF6 and 8 upset that 9 is supposedly getting a remake before them and like…. Y’all should BE HAPPY that square isn’t going to destroy those games

    • @RealEvilLordExdeath
      @RealEvilLordExdeath 8 дней назад +8

      Ff9 is my favorite JRPG in general, it will be heart breaking to see the Nomuraversion of it

    • @kurtisschwartz9870
      @kurtisschwartz9870 6 дней назад +1

      The original games will still exist it's not like they will disappear in a different timeline or something, so what's the problem?

    • @meathir4921
      @meathir4921 5 дней назад +1

      ​@@RealEvilLordExdeathNomura is not responsible for all the story decisions of modern Square stories. Stop blaming him.

    • @mikec5400
      @mikec5400 День назад

      @@kurtisschwartz9870 fake ass FF fans is what their problem is. Any real day one FF fan is gonna play the fuck out of any mainline FF game

  • @sameerjafri7
    @sameerjafri7 4 дня назад +7

    This is the best analysis I have seen of this game's glaring issues. And I was so optimistic at the beginning thinking squenix finally figured it out but man that excitement disappeared quickly, and the majority of this game just felt like a chore. If not for my love for the og i wouldn't have even made it past junon but I pressed on, and this game just confirmed my fears when I first finished remake. That squenix is too far removed from the squaresoft days to capture the magic of what made us love the og ff7 in the first place. I thought I was going insane when I saw og fans overtly praise this game like it's some masterpiece, so thanks for this

  • @bernadettnemeth7474
    @bernadettnemeth7474 День назад +5

    What bothered me the lot was how they handled Aerith s death. The reason why her death was so shocking and heartbreaking was how sudden it was and how simple in the original game. It wasn t about multiverses flashbacks and segments of Cloud s crazy mind. Cloud s monologue felt so genuine and so heartbreaking struggling to come to terms with the loss of his friend. The way the team members came up to Aerith one last time felt like a proper goodbye. They were pretty basic 3d models but you could feel the sadness in their gestures.
    Meanwhile in 2024 the flashbacks only caused confusion and made Aerith s death lose its impact. I remember 15 year old me crying my eyes out when i first played the original game here i just felt emptiness. I absolutly hate game remakes 90% of them focus on graphics and "fan service" instead of giving us back the beautiful story we fell in love with.

  • @RuYevon
    @RuYevon 7 дней назад +11

    Man I thought I was crazy having such problems with the writing in this game I'm glad more people are criticising it. Such a waste of ambition, and a watering down of all the original's themes

    • @mikec5400
      @mikec5400 День назад

      the people criticizing it sit on youtube criticizing everything and get mad when people actually enjoy something.

  • @KirbySonicTeam
    @KirbySonicTeam 12 часов назад +3

    Sometimes you come across a video that so perfectly captures everything that needs to be said about a work, with not a word wasted. This is one of those videos. Excellent work

  • @Delvirus84
    @Delvirus84 Месяц назад +46

    Sephiroth = Team Rocket 😂

  • @Sitheral
    @Sitheral 6 дней назад +12

    Finally some critique of this mess, you could really think its the second coming of christ and can do no wrong just looking at fanboys praise. But they cannot fool me with production values, this got nothing on original.

  • @ODBHero1
    @ODBHero1 9 дней назад +8

    THANK YOU!!!
    My friends just dont understand why i REFUSE to play Remake. I keep telling them that if i want to play FF7, I'll play the original. I knew in my gut that I personally had no reason to play this FF7/KH game.

  • @dudemcguy1227
    @dudemcguy1227 Месяц назад +165

    Remember that from 2005 up to early 2020, nearly every Final Fantasy 7 fan asking for a Remake was a "Purist".
    Now it's supposedly a bad thing? I don't think so. Proud FF7 "Purist" right here.

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Месяц назад +65

      Yeah, there's a lot of weird gaslighting from these remake game fans.

    • @ItsSVO
      @ItsSVO Месяц назад +58

      @@mikespearwood3914remake fans also keep desperately claiming this remake project was the original vision for the 1997 game that couldn’t be realised due to limitations. Strange kids.

    • @anthroposmetron4475
      @anthroposmetron4475 Месяц назад +42

      @@ItsSVO They're right. It couldn't be released back then because the developers were limited by these things called 'standards' and 'being at the top of their game'.
      I don't think it's been remarked on enough - like, in any format relating to Remake I mean, not just Orion's videos - how Nojima, Kitase and Nomura are exhausted old men who are going to be pensioned off in a few years. When you keep that in mind, it explains a lot about what's happened with Remake.

    • @cardboardtubeknight
      @cardboardtubeknight Месяц назад +26

      At most there were people who wanted things like an option to bring Aerith back, but even they most of the time understood that was a huge issue since the game kind of works because of it. No one out there was asking for it to be made a multiverse where Zack is okay and all of this

    • @kjh4496
      @kjh4496 Месяц назад +27

      Yup, nobody can claim that Remake and Rebirth is what they wanted. They invent any excuse to revise history to justify buying it.

  • @kingbacon6563
    @kingbacon6563 4 дня назад +7

    Saw a clip of this on twitter talking about how Rebirth failed to capture the emotional depth of the Dyne scene... never have I ran to a video faster because YES. Rebirth remakes all of these iconic scenes, yet aside from having big emotional music and cool camera shots, they lack all of the substance. I'm glad others feel that too.

  • @WoTaWrEkK
    @WoTaWrEkK День назад +6

    This video came via recommended due to seeing other FF7 Rebirth content. I 100% agree with your summary of the game. after several months of playing it, i called the very definition of a 6 or 7 out of 10 on a podcast. Excellent video

  • @leilas8591
    @leilas8591 Месяц назад +125

    “Don’t ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products” - Square Enix

    • @KritoSkywaker
      @KritoSkywaker Месяц назад +17

      Nailed it. The true mentality of Square. 🤣

    • @aaronavila2950
      @aaronavila2950 20 дней назад +2

      IT BROKE NEW GROUND

  • @xarbinchaoticneutral1785
    @xarbinchaoticneutral1785 14 дней назад +19

    one of the best deconstructions of ff7 remake ive seen. something didnt seem right to me and this criticism hit every one of the issues that I percieved. I was open minded and minus the last 10 percent of the game I really did enjoy it but it felt soulless

  • @Epicwallpaperstwitter
    @Epicwallpaperstwitter Месяц назад +33

    I absolutely love the game for its gameplay, well "game" elements. Where it falls flat is that it's not FF7 and the story is so unbelievably tough to understand for newcomers, while simultaneously pissing off long time fans

  • @Capydapy
    @Capydapy Месяц назад +49

    It's pretty clear that they're doing all this to twist and re-shape the original FFVII so it fits in more with Crisis Core and Advent Children. I have a strong feeling that after the credits roll on part 3 will see a quick cut scene of AC! Cloud next to his motorbike and putting on his driving goggles and then driving away, instead of Nanaki/Red XIII and his children looking at the ruins of Midgar centuries later.
    This remake, in short terms is a big "fuck you", from SE to those who hated the sequels/prequels because they felt like retcons too much from the OG. They even re-released AC in cinema's for a short bit before Rebirth's release.

    • @SuperKendoman
      @SuperKendoman Месяц назад +17

      The end goal is to sell as much merchandise before moving on. That's always been Square Enix CEOs goal, whether that be ones when FFXIII was made or even now.

    • @Zerorenren4761
      @Zerorenren4761 Месяц назад +3

      I don't think so, they already said that Cloud will receive a "happy ending" and that the original ending was going to happen if they failed on Remake, it will probably go like:
      Aerith and Zack sacrifice themselves in all the 7 universes (that is the official number of universes revealed on Ultimania) to also end Sephiroth and JENOVA once and for all, Cloud manages to properly say goodbye to Aerith and Zack, this time the world will be a more positive note than at Advent Children. Alternatively, they can always make a happy ending where Aerith lives and Cloud has his happy ending.

    • @mikec5400
      @mikec5400 День назад

      You would think it was their fucking IP and they can do with it what they want?

  • @JxhnNichxlls
    @JxhnNichxlls 20 дней назад +16

    One of the major things with Aerith’s death in the original is there was zero time to grieve/no memories forced on the player to emphasize the hole created by her loss.
    The other side of this is how much they shove sephiroth/iconic songs in our face robbing the gravity of their presence from the original. The fact we get ANOTHER final sephiroth fight (and a hamfisted bizarro) just makes fighting him/interacting with him as a pest rather than this heavy force moving behind the scenes.
    Less is more.

  • @kiethuynh9754
    @kiethuynh9754 Месяц назад +78

    The Cetra and Planetoligists were wrong. You don't return to the planet when you die. You enter a new Timeline.

    • @EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher
      @EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher 14 дней назад

      Try having a chat with the folk that will expand on, indefinitely, why she's totally in a quantum state and it was totally set up in the original so it's good actually 😅
      They're **gone**

    • @johnpettiford6547
      @johnpettiford6547 9 дней назад

      Interesting take. Basically reincarnation.

  • @maillardsbearcat
    @maillardsbearcat Месяц назад +37

    This is the best review I've seen. Took the essay right out my mouth.

  • @metastase895
    @metastase895 Месяц назад +26

    kingdom hearts was a mistake. remake's Sephiroth is Team Rocket xehanort, Zack is roxas/ventus inside sora's heart, Aerith is the kingdom key keyblade and now lives in traverse town canonically.

  • @dshearwf
    @dshearwf 7 дней назад +7

    Every fan wanted a faithful remake with some smart fleshing out of some scenes, where the og may have left some gaps too wide.
    Everybody I know that grew up with the OG hated the first remake and so did I. I was absolutely furious for days after the ending.
    They then tried to lure you in with the promises of Rebirth taking it back on rail, but that was just another bait and taunt by the writers and I knew nothing was salvagable from how the ending of Remake played out already. I made jokes, in the full hope this will never actually happen, that they completely rewrite Aerith's death and then it happened. I wasn't even surprised. My face frozen in expression for countless hours already, just thinking when is this shshow finally ending.

  • @vincentgraymore
    @vincentgraymore Месяц назад +148

    This video made me more sad and portrayed loss a hundred times better than Rebirth.

    • @emmaa2141
      @emmaa2141 Месяц назад +12

      It makes me sad that people take this guy seriously

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Месяц назад +29

      @@emmaa2141 Cry harder.

    • @ElectricNippleTorture
      @ElectricNippleTorture Месяц назад +1

      @@emmaa2141 It makes me sadder that people are playing this and the Remake thinking they're suitable replacements for the original.
      Look, I get the pre-rendered backgrounds, especially in the LCD/LED/OLED/IPS display era of today looks like an eyesore, especially when (and I can't defend or cope with this fact) Squaresoft just completely wiped the source code and assets from their servers to make room for future FF games with no tape drive backups for archival sake at least.
      There are several community mods to at least make it work and fit for the 2012 PC re-release, but I was really hoping that these remakes would be viable substitutes for the original games, like the 3D remakes of FF3 and FF4 for the DS/mobile/PC; to carry the same weight, tragedy, and emotions of the original, but sadly it is not the case.
      I'd rather listen to this guy, because he clearly puts more thought, effort, and weight towards understanding what made the original work, and why these remakes are an inferior product to the original game. Less is sometimes more, I would say.

    • @metastase895
      @metastase895 Месяц назад +16

      @@emmaa2141 Being wrong makes you sad indeed.

    • @TwinFather0420
      @TwinFather0420 Месяц назад +9

      @@emmaa2141so edgy. Go cry to your mama, kid. This is for the grown ups.

  • @SupaJ777
    @SupaJ777 Месяц назад +34

    Prob the best review of FF7 remake I've come across. A good breakdown of the bigger scenes of the game and yet you found a way to get something out of a product that you knew would let you down.

  • @Giggles_iJest
    @Giggles_iJest 13 дней назад +12

    I knew ever since Remake where this was going the *moment* they started poking with the original's story
    Thus, I put the whole thing down. Looking at FFIX's remake with hope that it'll be one-to-one

  • @wildinstinct1585
    @wildinstinct1585 Месяц назад +36

    i have been checking your channel everyday since i saw the ending of rebirth and the direction of the story and the convolution they introduced, i thank you for sharing your thoughts with us again. your remake and rebirth videos are golden

  • @RageJ
    @RageJ Месяц назад +144

    Rebirth fails at being different or subversive enough to be its own thing and at faithful enough to be a proper homage to the themes and core of what made the original so special. It feels like it's made more for people who've heard about how legendary FF7 is but have never experienced it outside of watching a lets play and reading a couple wiki pages.

    • @louisvictor3473
      @louisvictor3473 Месяц назад +33

      More like for people who liked kingdom hearts, but dont want disney characters or the "multiple IPs crossing over" gimmick.

    • @harmen9598
      @harmen9598 Месяц назад +5

      I loved it and I played the OG for the first time in September 97' and finished it at least 10 times before CC and AC even came out. I agree the scene is robbed from us... On purpose imo though. I believe we are gonna relive it in part 3. So for now I'm giving SE the benefit of the doubt. 10/10 just like Remake.

    • @lpstweetytv5242
      @lpstweetytv5242 Месяц назад +9

      ​@@harmen9598So you think its flawed, but still call it a 10/10?

    • @harmen9598
      @harmen9598 Месяц назад

      @@lpstweetytv5242 Where did I say the game is flawed lol

    • @lpstweetytv5242
      @lpstweetytv5242 Месяц назад +5

      @harmen9598 you said the scene was robbed, right? Isn't that a flaw? Maybe I misunderstood

  • @ceeeff2559
    @ceeeff2559 Месяц назад +87

    the most egregious part for me was when Cloud suddenly remembered who Zack was. that’s the biggest twist in the game and they just casually revealed it with all the subtlety and fanfare of a wet shart

    • @Amocoru
      @Amocoru Месяц назад +3

      Just like the OG game. Everything was explained poorly and the only way to actually know what happened in the game was to play all the different games and also read about it. It's far more cohesive in these games.

    • @ceeeff2559
      @ceeeff2559 Месяц назад +31

      @@Amocoru is this bait? you don't need crisis core to understand what happened in the OG lmao

    • @lpstweetytv5242
      @lpstweetytv5242 Месяц назад +20

      ​@@AmocoruEverything was laid out pretty simply in the og. The timing is what is different between the two. Rebirth undercuts the story by revealing certain things too soon

    • @FahrenheitEX
      @FahrenheitEX Месяц назад +37

      @@Amocoru What nonsense, the og game was perfectly clear about who Zack was. It tells you his role in Clouds backstory, his relation to Aerith and Sephiroth, and you can even meet his parents in Gongaga. You didn't need to play any other games whatsoever, it was all self contained and well delivered provided you had the brain cells to comprehend it.

    • @Maverick.D.
      @Maverick.D. Месяц назад +20

      @@AmocoruYou obviously never played the original.

  • @Lancun
    @Lancun Месяц назад +82

    "They were never within touching distance of remaking this game."
    A quote that encapsulates this entire experience. It's like that Dom quote from the first F&F movie. "Almost had me? You never had me. You never had your car."
    Dom is the OG. Brian is the Remake project. And the car is legacy. This project will fade away into irrelevance and obscurity a few years after its conclusion simply because it's too convoluted to thrive in the years beyond its hype and recency bias.

    • @cardboardtubeknight
      @cardboardtubeknight Месяц назад +8

      It's like this quote was made specifically for me

    • @justhomas83
      @justhomas83 Месяц назад +7

      Well stated sir.
      That's the problem lots of new fans refuse to play the original game. This is not the original game not even close. My CID isn't in this game, Vincent is not playable not good. Multi verse non sense.

  • @link5629
    @link5629 Месяц назад +28

    What an amazing video. Let me take a second to commend you on it!
    I have watched A LOT of Remake/Rebirth critique videos that lean towards praise for the OG and pointing out the absurdity of the Remake project. Definitely some confirmation bias on my part but that is what I want. I feel like not many FFVII fans agree with me on this point of view and everyone wants to argue with me. I am always looking for fellow fans who commiserate with my distain for the Remake project.
    FFVII means so much to me. It shaped so much of my childhood and takes me back to the 90s when life was much better. I am very upset about what they have done with this "Remake."
    I was one of the few fans who was not at all excited at the announcement of the Remake back in 2015. I instead had a very sinking feeling. I knew they would mess this up. I was never excited about it. Some things need to be left as they are.
    This video has definitely landed in my top 5 best Remake criticism videos. Many great points were made.
    You are the first who has presented such an insightful perspective of the future of this whole project. These games will fade away, but OG Final Fantasy VII will never fade away. It will out live the honeymoon phase of these games and beyond. Knowing that these games will fade into obscurity in the near future is very encouraging and new perspective for me.
    Also, in their poor attempt to remake the OG game it has caused many of us to love, cherish, and respect it all the more.
    Thank you for this. I have been bothered by this whole whole thing since the release of Remake.
    However, knowing that some people out there are just as upset as me and feel the same way I do, has helped me a lot. And hearing such intelligent and conscientious talking points and perspectives such as these has also helped.
    Thanks again for this.
    PS. The outro with the Carpenters was the perfect ending touch for a video like this. Cheers!

  • @SuperKendoman
    @SuperKendoman Месяц назад +40

    What is death? Does it have any meaning if a person can be replaced by themselves from a different reality or brought back to life? The beauty of humans is our short lifespan and what we do within that time to give it meaning, whether that be a mother working hard to make sure their loved ones have an easier life or a person who dedicates their whole life to researching on how to cure a disease.
    We mourn those who have passed away because what they offered to this world was unique and nobody else can give us the same experience and moments that we had with them.

  • @Bahamut3525
    @Bahamut3525 Месяц назад +13

    It felt like the entire narrative of the OG was put there, but an underlying plot point is: "We know you know the OG plot point, so we undermine it with the multiverse and Sephiroth/aerith subliminal plot". So it loses all gravitas.

  • @LogosSteve
    @LogosSteve 10 дней назад +13

    Bro you're cooking. Spot on criticism.

  • @Handful-Of-Dust
    @Handful-Of-Dust Месяц назад +18

    21 minutes in, and you already addressed the issues I was REALLY having a problem with in this game. As you stated, the original was about 'life', and learning to cope and move on after losing a loved one, family or even a friend. Square dropped the ball hard on this remake. Excellent video. Thank you!

  • @cedric1808
    @cedric1808 Месяц назад +20

    As much as I enjoyed Rebirth, I hope Square Enix will find, translate and more importantly understand this video

  • @BlueKunai
    @BlueKunai Месяц назад +86

    I played the original FFVII for the first time last year before delving into the Remake saga, and even without the baggage of nostalgic attachment, I am perpetually baffled by all the decisions they keep making with the story of this project.
    For every plot beat and character moment old and new that they knock out of the park, there are three that are mishandled beyond belief either for the sake of subversion or fundamentally misunderstanding what made it work to begin with.
    For all the moments I still managed to enjoy during my playtime of Rebirth, it's incredible how much of that goodwill was washed away as my eyes glazed over playing through Chapter 14. I already deemed this overarching meta/multiverse plot as bad fanfiction after completing Remake, and Rebirth has only further cemented my belief that it is going to take a miracle to stick the landing in the final part.
    Years from now when this saga is complete, detached from the hype cycle and speculation, it's going to be very interesting to see how it holds up in the public consciousness. Even from a purely gameplay standpoint, it's gonna be a hard ask to reinstall half a terabyte of content to play a bloated journey with two hard resets along the way versus the cohesive 30-50hr journey of the original.

    • @za87647
      @za87647 Месяц назад +24

      Some will say you’re blinded by the year worth of nostalgia you had 😂

    • @nyhtfall1969
      @nyhtfall1969 Месяц назад +16

      ​@za87647 cause that's there only go to strawman if you didn't like remake or rebirth your nostalgia blinded, you just wanted a 1:1 remake and another bs strawman they pull

    • @TwinFather0420
      @TwinFather0420 Месяц назад +18

      As someone who loves retro games, has only ever heard about FF7, played the remake and beat it the day before I bought and just beat rebirth, I can honestly say that I can tell when things have been changed. I hate multi verse timeline crap. I avoided all spoilers because i wanted to see the Aerith/Sephiroth death scene in all its glory… in HD! And what do I get? They don’t even show it! They don’t even show the most iconic scene in the entirety of the original game….. because multiverse. I have enjoyed this game, the characters are well realized, but that was a HUGE missed opportunity. And I hate the lack of moral ambiguity in the story for our team.

    • @randomt800kiddo2
      @randomt800kiddo2 Месяц назад +1

      @@TwinFather0420 so much attachment to a game you haven't even played 💀

    • @TwinFather0420
      @TwinFather0420 Месяц назад +15

      @@randomt800kiddo2 okay, since you are clearly simple, I am expressing how they botched an iconic moment with multiverse crap. That moment was iconic for a reason. And some narcissist comes along and thinks he can do it better. I didn’t want it better. I wanted to experience as it was. These games are very modern. And the only thing good about it is how well realized some of the characters are. The gameplay is generic and the open world is filler nonsense. And they kill the story by forcing you to experience the side content. I’ve been gaming long enough to know when my time is being wasted purposefully. Sorry that you prefer inferior quality story telling. Fanboy elsewhere.

  • @KritoSkywaker
    @KritoSkywaker Месяц назад +24

    I belive that the writers chosen the following scenario, regarding Aerith's "death". They wanted the emotional payout from Aerith's death. But they didn't actually wanted her to begone from the story, so they decided to cheat.
    My book is this: If you want your audiance to be emotional, then recreate the OG scene. Have Sephiroth kill Aerith and recreate the exact moment with the Lifestream. But if you want to commit to the changes, then don't kill Aerith off. After Cloud blocked Sephiroth's attack, have the others show up just in time and saving her is a guranteed.
    Sadly, the writers chose to do both of the outcomes. And it comes out as utterly confusing, emotionally manipulative and nostalgia bait.
    In any case, good video there, Orion. 👍🏻

  • @Paul-to1nb
    @Paul-to1nb Месяц назад +28

    Wow that intro is incredible! Exactly how I felt. Been waiting for your opinion and it has not disappointed so far!

  • @Luccient
    @Luccient 19 дней назад +5

    Have to thank you for making this video and articulating what we are all feeling so deeply. It's important to show that the reasons behind the negativity are profound.

  • @climber6500
    @climber6500 12 дней назад +6

    Thank you, Orion, for your videos and for subjecting yourself to Remake and Rebirth. You eloquently say what I am thinking. I am so glad we have a copy of the original Final Fantasy 7 to go back to.

  • @oliversmith9296
    @oliversmith9296 Месяц назад +80

    “Amplification, turn up the dial, blow out the speakers…. Subtlety is a banned word in Square Enix’s offices….Square Enix don’t know how to let an intimate moment just be”
    …. Couldn’t have said it better myself, in fact I actually have been something similar since Remake. I’m perplexed at how you were able to put this video together in such a short amount of time since it’s release, I only just managed to complete it 😅
    Again, you give a voice to many, a masterful video, particularly the end sequence and match up of music. Thank you!

    • @orion8550
      @orion8550  Месяц назад +9

      Thanks for the comment, Oliver! It's great to have your support. I think I used up whatever energy I had left on this video :D

  • @yodoleheehoo90
    @yodoleheehoo90 17 дней назад +9

    By the time I reached Chapter 13 with the insanely boring Ancient Temple, I realized I had more interest in the Queen's Blood side story and building my deck than I did the main campaign.
    Something went very wrong in the process to bring this game back to life after 25 years.
    But then again, 15 & 16 titles were just as bad with the main story😕

  • @Sammael757
    @Sammael757 13 дней назад +9

    This seems to suffer from the exact same issues as modern Hollywood - no ability to let a story breathe and undercutting any potentially impactful moment with either a lightspeed resolution or a corny gimmick. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I wanted a 1-for-1 remake with modern graphics. That said, at the end of Remake I had hoped maybe they will take this off of the rails and tell a completely different story, servi g as a true sequel in the form of a "what if." It seems like they did neither, and for my tastes that is a shame.

  • @SuperKendoman
    @SuperKendoman Месяц назад +18

    This is where I draw the line in terms of seeing how the remakes will play out. A multiverse story was not what I wanted and I won't be buying part 3.

  • @sariihover4798
    @sariihover4798 16 дней назад +13

    If only Hironobu Sakaguchi worked on FF7R

    • @LogosSteve
      @LogosSteve 10 дней назад +3

      He would have quit if everyone didn't listen. So he probably would have quit

  • @burn1none
    @burn1none 9 дней назад +7

    great take haha, it's so bad that it elevated the original. I'll never play remake I have too much reverence for the original. watching those scenes of just the overcrowding of Kalm and Cosmo Canyon told me all I'll ever need to know about how I won't enjoy these games.

  • @mister-x2
    @mister-x2 3 дня назад +6

    You're stronger than me.
    I stopped right after the big time jannies scene on the first 7R.
    And to be fair, the mmo-ubisoft-western crappy open world design was already trying my patience so I wouldnt have lasted long anyways.
    Good luck with your channel.

  • @adamm5054
    @adamm5054 Месяц назад +13

    This was one of the most accurate and well written review I have seen for this game. I cannot help but agree with you on the majority of these critiques. They really hurt the story of this game.

  • @Kiddo_williams
    @Kiddo_williams Месяц назад +24

    I think the third act is the worse part about this game, the lack of impact from Aeriths death, the many boss fights that take place and then all the multiverse shenanigans just makes it all come off convoluted. There’s still also many moments of paddling too which just becomes a complete bore to get through.

    • @zerofudou5689
      @zerofudou5689 17 дней назад

      There was never going to be an impact. I wish FF7 would stop pretending otherwise, when most of them meme her death to death. Oh, now we care about Aerith's death enough to not laugh at her like we've been doing before the Remake project. Fake ass Aerith fans. Real Aerith fans want her to survive the Remakes.

  • @TheLucafiore
    @TheLucafiore 6 дней назад +6

    Well said, sir.

    • @TheLucafiore
      @TheLucafiore День назад

      Btw, I can't stop falling asleep to this video every night haha. It's so calming knowing not everyone in this fan base is a complete blind brainless soulless consumer.

  • @TheHylian64
    @TheHylian64 Месяц назад +45

    Congratulations on this remarkable achievement, Orion!
    I've been looking forward to this video the most this year, and you delivered!
    You nailed the criticism on everything from world to story and characters. Your editing and presentation was great.
    Your musical choice at the end was fantastic, I really loved how it all concluded.
    Really proud to see this coming together! Hoping this one blows up and garners a ton of positive viewers and sees a lot of disenfranchised OG fans find a voice through your work!
    On a side note, that burn on Rebirth Aerith 28:40 was 10/10 hahaha

  • @NoobsDeSroobs
    @NoobsDeSroobs Месяц назад +43

    The best thing this game has done for me is make me finally decide to replay the original.

  • @EtherealOmni
    @EtherealOmni Месяц назад +25

    Agreed with it all, man. Incredible work putting this together. It's a burn in the chest that you describe in this very video. I hate the phrase that "This isny MY (product here)" but...this encapsulates that so well. Overbloated copratized mess looking to cash in on modern trends with a splash of gamings most veloved characters...I hate it.

  • @benfubbs2432
    @benfubbs2432 Месяц назад +70

    IMO their greatest error was trying to include things from the expanded universe. Over the years Square have tried to milk the FF7 I.P. with all these spinoff titles that were just total garbage, like Crisis Core and the terrible movie etc etc. All these added content items had terrible stories and characters and Square made a huge mistake trying to pay homage to them in Remake and Rebirth as they just bring down the storytelling of the OG FF7 so drastically.
    I also strongly felt that the environments were terrible and generic. I remember going over the mountains after Costa Del Sol in the OG was just beautiful, cresting the mountain peak and heading off into that amazing sunset was perfection. You don't get that in Rebirth. The Nibel mountains in the original were these iconic green glowing spires jutting up like ragged teeth, in rebirth they were jut generic mountains. Every environment had no personality.

    • @benfubbs2432
      @benfubbs2432 Месяц назад +8

      @@torchlight3173 Pure laziness tbh

    • @kei7540
      @kei7540 Месяц назад

      Nah

    • @UnifiedEntity
      @UnifiedEntity Месяц назад +6

      "include things from the expanded universe" you know what other game suffered from this? Kingdom Hearts 3. Where it needed the fucking MOBILE GAME in its story for whatever nonsensical reason.

    • @benfubbs2432
      @benfubbs2432 Месяц назад +12

      @@UnifiedEntity The reason is corporate greed, Square have been trying to start this whole interconnected universe with their IPs for decades each game gets a manga series, a anime, a movie tie-in and various spin-off games on mobile platforms to really ring every penny out of the fandom.

    • @rangerscoach
      @rangerscoach 24 дня назад +2

      The company post sakaguichi, led by yoichi wada is a factional nightmare. You have team vagrant story led by yoshi p and the old guard that stuck around once their nasty boss got given the boot. Sakaguichi was grooming a traitor in kitase he just didn’t know it. It got so bad in fact he gave them 8 to do whatever they wanted and it was so wildly different (in some ways my favourite) it split the conceptual understanding of what final fantasy is down the middle. Now it’s in a total identity crisis but one thing is for sure.
      Creative 1 thinks that Nomura is a good writer. That he is more than a great character designer. To me Nomura is a guy that has used hair putty for too long

  • @NiohArcadia
    @NiohArcadia 21 день назад +8

    I hate how Rebirth makes Sephiroth into a fucking idiot by the end.
    They tried so hard to appease everyone and destroying it's own new direction/themes.

  • @DonutSwordsman
    @DonutSwordsman 9 дней назад +8

    The remake tells you how to feel and adds action figures slapping robots for dopamine

  • @garrycotton7094
    @garrycotton7094 11 дней назад +6

    0:36 - Summarizes my main criticism of these games and the typical arguments of their fans. Why do a remake if you want to make a new story? Or conversely, if you want to make a new story, then why not make a new game rather than bastardizing an existing one? Those of us not ridiculously naive know why, of course.

  • @ridleyrage5283
    @ridleyrage5283 Месяц назад +10

    Hail to you, Orion85! I agree with pretty much everything you mentioned.
    Imo, the biggest problem this franchise has; and its a huge one, is its naming. Rebirth, is proper, knowing what this trilogy(?) IS at heart, but calling its predecessor "Remake" was marketing death.
    I'm happy to see this game/series get picked apart. There are good even great elements in both games, but this is a game series with the consistent problem games have nowadays "1. Take my wallet! 2. This game kinda sucks"...its become a thing now.
    This series SHOULD have been called "FFVII Reimagined", because thats what it is. I HATE multiverses in media for the most part, because a grand majority of the stories are life-draining, boring, trifle crap, and this series is just adding too much and rendering its stakes meaningless. This series is NOT, I repeat NOT a remake; and my proof, is IN its multiverse storyline; its both a soft reboot and a sequel, and since it even adds elements of other FFVII side-games, its how they got away with changing/adding so much new content.
    Too many fans cant enjoy these games to the max because they take the "remake" necessity to heart. When FFVIIR was first announced years ago, I remember going "wha...? Why not just make an FFVII-2 instead?". But that's square for you; "we'll take a huge risk and make a trilogy of the most divisive games in our series!(XIII), we'll make a direct sequel to FFXII...on a handheld system not everyone owns, thats wont piss anyone off!, we'll remake FFVII but it wont be a remake, it'll be so much more, and we'll throw the whole kitchen in there!!, Wha..? People want an FFVII remake? Nobody wants that, we'll just sit on the idea for years til all possible hype dies down to death!". I swear, they make decisions stupider thank modern day Konami!
    That said, curious to see how this one unfolds

  • @GracelessTarnished
    @GracelessTarnished 26 дней назад +10

    Final Fantasy died with Squaresoft and the departure of Hironobu Sakaguchi. They have tried time and time again and have proven time and time again that they simply do not have the talent nor understanding of what makes a Final Fantasy game. They dont know the first thing about subtlety or restraint. Truly sad since it was my favorite franchise with VII being my favorite entry.

  • @Handles_are_garbage
    @Handles_are_garbage 13 дней назад +9

    I think you're dragging the presentation of Sephiroth too much. You're forgetting that in part 3 we'll discover that Sephiroth is actually a clone of Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts.

  • @ketthefox
    @ketthefox Месяц назад +14

    Your videos are so well made. This video had better pacing and story telling than the actual game had. I love the way you have written this, it's just beautiful. Thank you for saying what I was thinking and feeling.

    • @Zeen987
      @Zeen987 Месяц назад +6

      Agreed 👍

  • @alejandropelaez3741
    @alejandropelaez3741 Месяц назад +8

    Think before you sleep sent me here. Keep up the good work dude!

  • @angels_chariot
    @angels_chariot 24 дня назад +8

    This video said everything I thought, felt, and wanted to say. I love the original, and I wished Square Enix followed through with their new adventure they promised or kept faithful to the original.

  • @livetorek4723
    @livetorek4723 29 дней назад +17

    I've yet to find a game that has better music pieces than ff7, Ocarina of Time is the only game that comes close for me , it's crazy how much more talent the Square team had under Sakaguchi

  • @billjacobs521
    @billjacobs521 Месяц назад +97

    The crazy tonal whiplash is just unbelievable. This is current-day MCU crap--if something bad happens, IMMEDIATELY jump to a joke or a cool action scene. You can have slow moments to screw around, for hours, but you can't have a minute to process a tragedy or a revelation. Characters want to play card games and ride chocobos but not stop and have a discussion about the fate of the world. This results in me hating these remake games more than they probably deserve, because it's giving me "feelies" vibes; stuff just happens, in an emotional roller coaster but never TOO bad and never bad for very long, gotta get another dopamine hit every 20 seconds.
    And yeah, I keep saying this, but taking a game about death, about accepting it's finality, about moving past it, as envisioned by the original producer who had just lost his mother and needed a way to cope with his grief...and turning into this happy-go-lucky, consequences-don't-exist, saccharine sweet j-pop extravaganza, just feels insulting, especially coming from several people who worked with that same man to produce the original product that so poignantly explored the topic. Like, did they mail Sakaguchi a copy along with a picture of his mother and a drawing of a huge middle finger?

    • @lopezzelo2502
      @lopezzelo2502 Месяц назад +7

      😂 very good the picture joke

    • @justingabriel1765
      @justingabriel1765 Месяц назад +6

      … so are we gonna just conveniently ignore how that’s all in the OG game as well ooooor? Aerith dies and what’s right after that? The party goes snowboarding. Like that’s a flaw with FF7 as a whole not specifically the remake project

    • @lopezzelo2502
      @lopezzelo2502 Месяц назад

      @@justingabriel1765 sure, if you played OG you know the mood is different in rebirth… just compare the nibleheim flashback. Is very very different

    • @SteelValkyrie202
      @SteelValkyrie202 29 дней назад +6

      @@justingabriel1765 I'm pretty sure you are just deliberately missing the point...They actually _NEED_ to quickly get down to the Great Glacier to follow Sephiroth. It might seem a little on the silly side but there was an _actual_ reason why it's there. Plus, I think the OG does way better than Remake/Rebirth at balancing the overall mood; having dark, tragic, intense moments but also some comic relief so that the audience isn't always on edge.

    • @funkrobot9762
      @funkrobot9762 25 дней назад +3

      @@justingabriel1765they go snowboarding to get down the mountain faster, as they’re being pursued by Shinra.

  • @ansonpluzon
    @ansonpluzon 20 дней назад +9

    This Game could have been THE game we have all been waiting for. It could have showed us more of what was shown in the original game.. But Nomura and his team made a big mockery of the story of this beautiful game.
    No buildup, no genuine drama, no sense.
    I feel sorry for the graphics team, music and audio team, voice actors, as these were the only good stuff that happened here on this game.
    The only credit I will give to Nomura is the Battle system.

  • @gjoerulv
    @gjoerulv Месяц назад +16

    Excellent vid!!
    This game turned out almost exactly as predicted.
    - Gameplay is good (albeit not something I enjoy, and have 0 interest in).
    - Music is great.
    - Graphics really good.
    - Characters will, for the most part, be recognizable. Not a botched/fanmade version.
    - Content will be added/changed, minigames, new story beats, new story content, etc.
    - Sidequests will, for the most part, be bad.
    - Sephiroth will be everywhere.
    - There will be a new Zack story.
    - Style over substance (Dyne being an obvious example).
    - Story will be further botched with the ridiculous convoluted mess introduced in FF7:Remake. They are adding story dimension such as: Defying Fate, Revival, Multiple Dimensions, Time Travel(? maybe ?), Alternate Timelines, etc. On top of what OGFF7 already had, such as: Science Fiction, Magic, Fantasy, Aliens. Bringing the convolution level to over 9000!
    - But at the same time try to keep to the original, even though that, for some reason, wasn't clear, even though everyone knew it had to happen. I dunno, you understand what I'm trying to say here, in this point I mean? I dunno?
    The thing that surprised me is that the world is "true"-ish openworld. Which makes the world seem extremely tiny.
    Tbh, I thought SE would go for a FF10 style world. That is, you don't see everything, you're kinda going through the places that matters most for the story, with no world map, rather connecting places via a fancy menu or something similar. This way the world don't shrink to the size of a small country at best. Then again, to be fair, this isn't supposed to be the entire world. Still, the scope has been drastically reduced. No one ever asked in FF7:OG if the worldmap actually was the entire world. As it obviously was supposed to be. But it was highly abstracted, and you had to fill in the blanks yourself (optionally).
    FF7:Remake was the game that finally killed any interest I have for any future mainline FF. The gameplay can be excellent, but if it's something that doesn't appeal to me, and will in fact bore me, there really isn't anything left.
    I still find it interesting to see how the games are received, though, and discussions about them. But me buying a new mainline FF again will probably not happen.
    Tbh, and to be fair, the game probably deserves an 8/10 -ish, mainly due to gameplay, overall presentation and amount of content. Giving it a 10/10 however, without any sort of copium and/or fanboy glasses on, is impossible.

  • @ImmaniGregory
    @ImmaniGregory Месяц назад +20

    I’ve been waiting patiently for this video. I feel like square made this game mainly for themselves. It’s beautiful and fun but pleases only the writers it feels like. Cuz they know the full picture. Just feel like lazy edging for us. Idc how mysterious you can make the story, just make it good.

  • @DonutSwordsman
    @DonutSwordsman 9 дней назад +5

    Its sad because the original was made by someone who lost someone i love, to be for someone who lost a loved one too and learning to move on

  • @dbfzato-1327
    @dbfzato-1327 16 дней назад +8

    i knew after the first part this thing was dead in the water, just got ran out the "fan base" i said this part would sell half and the next part half that as they continue to make a worse version, i was right about this part, will see about the next one, seems public opinion has shifted more in line with my views
    wish i could go back n find them comments calling me a purist n stuff and be like told ya...... but honestly i'm just sad we never gonna get what was advertised a remake of ff7 one of the best stories in gaming..... why change it
    its like remaking nier automata and changing the story! its like "remaking" the mona lisa but with groucho marx glasses n eyebrows and being like look it's good because you didn't expect that!!!!

  • @RealEvilLordExdeath
    @RealEvilLordExdeath 8 дней назад +7

    Your so right, this trash only makes us see how much better the original is.
    Its gaming history and will be still played in 50 years, but this remake will be forgotten 5 month after part 3 dropped and everyone made his Videos about its failing.
    Gj on your Videos, i subscribe brother.

  • @Zerorenren4761
    @Zerorenren4761 Месяц назад +14

    What is pretty clear is that everytime they need to be subtle, slow or just deal with emotional moments they mess up because they just want fun and action with no "boring" moment, it's like when MCU characters joke around in a serious battle, so... Bad
    I kind of like Remake/Rebirth but honestly, the more i think about how they dealt with these things, the more i get bothered with it, this also emphasizes a lot how Square Enix's writting dumbed down with years and how these guys are barely able to tell anything significant nowadays (most of the story credits of FF7R go more to what was faithful to their work in the past than the things that are new and this tells a lot about it).

    • @ItsSVO
      @ItsSVO Месяц назад +7

      Because the game is designed for the tik tok/twitch streamer era. People have short attention spans and the spectacle is favoured over depth and subtlety as that creates better clips. It’s all very shallow.

    • @Zerorenren4761
      @Zerorenren4761 Месяц назад +4

      ​@@ItsSVOThat's true, there is also the factor that in many interviews the writters seem to think that the whole reason FF7 was iconic was because of the story's twists but they literally think that EVERYONE knows these twists (which is wrong by itself, FF7 is not even close to be know by everyone and a lot of people playing the Remake are newcomers) and since for them the important is making people be "shocked" with twists in the original story, a lot of these decisions are centered around that(The whole trillogy is a set-up for the new version of the Lifestream scene since they think that the "Cloud had an impostor syndrome with Zack" is universally know fact and they wanted something new to surprise everyone) and just subverting expectations which a lot of times it's an excuse to dumb down scenes or add more fanservice/action and nothing more(because of that they spoil the OG Story twists because again they think that everyone only care about twists and that everyone already knows the OG story), what baffles me the most are veteran people like Nomura having this mentality when by his lifetime and experience he should already know that these things worked because of HOW they were done and the emotions they expressed in scenes like Nanaki crying or Aerith's death, not because people were shocked by it, i rarely cry with media but FF7 is one of the few games that made me cry for the same scenes multiple times for example.
      Honestly, i can't even blame Square entirely, just look at how most of the fandom and the big people on media are reacting to Remake, and how the "purists" are treated for just not liking the unecessary changes they did to it, i also think that RUclipsrs in general are extremely happy for having all the theory content who gives them money and attention which is... Fair, in the end, Square IS winning and i give them the credits for it.
      Also i'd just like to point out again that i like FF7R but i can't really put it in the same pedestal as the original or see it as good "Remake" of the original story, i can see it as a "decent fun JRPG story" who happens to also be FF7 with an amazing combat system and soundtrack and nice characters, and i've also defended a lot The Compilations since they never really bothered me that much and i thought that Remake could tie them better to the main story however they did it in the worst way possible + taking off all/or most of the subtlety and emotional side of the original and replacing it with cool scenes for the people who will most likely to only discuss the shipping/funny scenes and epic battle scenes online than the actual story.

    • @McCaroni_Sup
      @McCaroni_Sup Месяц назад +1

      ​​​​​​​@@Zerorenren4761 100% agreed. As someone who liked the original but didn't love it (it's not even among my favorite games of all time, or even my favorite JRPGs of all time), I absolutely loathed the insultingly in-your-face fanservice the remake series shoves down your throat. It's like the writers don't understand that we don't like these characters just because they show up and do things. We like them because the original FFVII had good character stories and arcs that were presented with effective storytelling techniques. Sephiroth was great precisely because of how sparse and impactful each of his individual appearances were. But in the remakes he appears so much they might as well make a Sephiroth Everywhere System and have him pop out of random trash cans and manholes to attack Cloud's party like it's Yakuza Kiwami. I'm sorry, but I don't like Sephiroth enough to just lose all my sense of reason and critical thinking whenever he shows up for a contrived reason, unlike so many of the FFVII fanboy sheeple who consoom Square Enix slop and lose their shit every time they see him.
      I feel like Square Enix just looks at how beloved the characters of this game are (particularly Cloud and Sephiroth) and just beats the fans over the head with them to prevent them from thinking about how pointless every piece of FFVII media after the original was. Yes, they were ALL pointless, they're such colossal wastes of time that I honestly cope by just pretending the original is the only canon game lmao.
      And it's not like I'm against fanservice and character appearances, but they have to be done in moderation and with appropriate justification or they lose their luster. Later entries in Nihon Falcom's Trails series have a few cameos of beloved characters from previous games in the series, but those cameos are important to the story, make logical sense, and rarely ever feel contrived. If there are characters who shouldn't appear in a game because it would make no sense or lessen the impact of the story, they don't. This makes it all the more exciting when the characters you love reappear in future games. But for some reason, despite the FFVII Remake trilogy similarly being a multi part series with a connected story, Square Enix are simply too impatient to wait until the right moments for Sephiroth to appear. They have no sense of restraint.
      Nihon Falcom can wait literal DECADES to reveal important characters or have old characters make cameos. There are characters from games in the series released in the 2000s who have only just reappeared in games made in the 2020s because it wouldn't have made sense for them to reappear in games before. They waited 14 whole years to even show a glimpse of the elusive and mysterious leader of the main antagonist faction of the series. And yet Square Enix can't even wait a couple hours before showing Sephiroth again? Pathetic.

    • @Zerorenren4761
      @Zerorenren4761 3 дня назад

      @@McCaroni_Sup I don't see issues with Crisis Core and Advent Children because while they have issues, they are still fun and in my opinion they don't do much harm to the original story(people talk about Cloud on AC but the actual explanation is in "On the Way to a Smile" and i personally found it interesting), ok, you have Sephiroth coming back at the end of AC, but hey, the combat itself is awesome (probably my favorite animated fight of all time) and then afther Sephiroth is defeated again that's it, the original story is still intact and it works as just a cool epilogue, now Remake is literally taking the OG story and mixing with timeline/multiverse bs that it's completely messing up with the original narrative which for me is way worse than everything else on the Compilation that was mostly very harmless to the OG. FF7R should've been just "Updating the original game to modern technology and keeping the story however adding more party dynamics, fit the OG better on The Compilation and improve some bits), not trying to pull a shitty "Rebuild of Evangelion"....
      Your comment about comparing Sephiroth to how Nihon Falcom treats Trails' fanservice (never played this series) made me remember of Xenoblade, which so far has been AMAZING in connecting its games and now they even have a chance to bring up something related to Xenosaga due to 3's DLC, while there is some weird fanservice decisions, most of them are awesome and 3's DLC which in most cases would be a shitty fanservice bait, was a great ending to the Klaus Saga from the past games while the main game focused way more on more subtle and few fanservice, and more of focusing on the new characters and its themes, i know that it's a different thing from what FF7R is attempting to do but my point is: Fanservice needs to be well done and be good for the narrative, FF7R mostly misunderstands what made the original story be so appreciated even nowadays and instead makes it all about showing the "cool characters" all the time to make fanboys wet and a lot of action and explosions, sometimes even detrimenting the original(the whole Dyne part on FF7R is terrible in this case).

  • @MrLiveforlove
    @MrLiveforlove Месяц назад +25

    Truly Amazing. I couldn't have worded what i feel about this FF7 Remake project as well as you did. In taking liberties with the original story, Sqeenix not only showed their inability to tell a good story, But how timeless the original work is even with all the new bells and whistles. An excellent Critique, Good sir. I am so glad to have found your channel.

  • @komsat
    @komsat 14 дней назад +7

    rebirth is enjoyable, but multiverse kills story. squarenix is not squaresoft

  • @mrpepre
    @mrpepre Месяц назад +72

    Waited over half a lifetime to play the original again but done better, and it never came true

    • @chem71
      @chem71 Месяц назад +12

      yeah same fml

    • @spouwnerring
      @spouwnerring Месяц назад +7

      Because they split them up into 3 parts and made them stealth sequels to the originel game.

    • @danarse8093
      @danarse8093 Месяц назад +12

      Dw, in a different timeline, square enix did it right

    • @DeathByHentai
      @DeathByHentai Месяц назад +2

      At least now you can appreciate the original even more

    • @jamesavis1
      @jamesavis1 Месяц назад +3

      Same. Haven't even played Rebirth after Remake

  • @hian
    @hian Месяц назад +25

    Fantastic video. The ending credits made me want to go fire up the original again.

  • @ozm0zesjoe466
    @ozm0zesjoe466 19 дней назад +8

    I hate all the change they did with a lot of cutscenes. They added kh cringe into great moments(aerith death, Dyne)

  • @Tokumastu1
    @Tokumastu1 Месяц назад +33

    At this point Sephiroth is little more than the figurative jingling of keys for the audience. What a way to waste such a great villain. Gotta love how Square just hacked FF7 into 3 mediocre pieces and are charging you premium price for each, not counting DLC.

    • @ZealSeraph
      @ZealSeraph Месяц назад +14

      It's been said that Sephiroth was inspired by Jaws. More often than not all you get is the aftermath of his powers, and that's why he felt so terrifying. It's only fitting that the Sephiroth in remake and rebirth is like the shark from those awful Jaws sequels, constantly on screen, unintimidating and outright silly.

    • @za87647
      @za87647 Месяц назад +11

      Sephiroth is now Sharknado 🦈

    • @watchmehope6560
      @watchmehope6560 Месяц назад +13

      I'm sick of that seph, man. And all it took was two remakes lol. I've seen him too much to feel anxious, curious or threatened by him.

    • @zerofudou5689
      @zerofudou5689 17 дней назад +1

      @@watchmehope6560 You were never going to fear him because everyone already knows how much of a badass Sephiroth is. It's the same with you people pretending you were going to be sad about Aerith's death, when you've already experienced it countless time over 20 years, hell most FF7 fans laugh and meme it. Had her death and funeral happened 1:1, people would've gone "whelp that happened, moving on".

  • @bryanholley8511
    @bryanholley8511 Месяц назад +11

    I think you kinda hit the nail on the head when you said that they don't know what we loved about the original, and this may be mostly because the limitations of the PS1 created spaces where the devs were forced to be more reliant on space and silence, or just simply rely on the powerful music compositions. This is even more apparent when you look at even older FF games like FF5 and FF6, and then draw those comparisons out into FF7, which is clearly a reflection/perfection of the same concepts. Similar music for a sad moment, etc. I've had this thought recently while listening to the music from Ff7 original and remake, sometimes comparing them.. The comparisons in the music is a perfect articulation of the differences between OG , Remake, and even Rebirth. The OG music is the simplest, but often the most emotionally deep, and every second of the tracks relatively short duration is powerfully felt. Whereas many tracks from Remake add this cinematic flare, a much longer duration that sometimes feels more "general". There are many more layers and instruments, it's literally more complicated, but that takes away from the focus of the original tracks. So I guess I basically agree with your opinion, however.. I still enjoyed Rebirth, and I enjoyed getting deeper looks into specific events. It's still ambiguous whether or not the remake trilogy truly is a sequel or not.. but I don't care either way.. If it's a sequel then the original is still in tact, and if it's the same story in more detail, then it's just like the music. The original is still there, and if that's the perfect way I want to hear the song, I'll go back and listen to it 1000 times.

  • @donavanfrea6768
    @donavanfrea6768 Месяц назад +17

    The real question now is how badly are they gonna F*ck up the final installment? There's no way they can turn this series into anything meaningful at this point.

    • @emmaa2141
      @emmaa2141 Месяц назад

      Everything will be explained in the final part, just wait and see. It will be amazing

    • @kjh4496
      @kjh4496 Месяц назад +7

      @@emmaa2141Trust me bro haha

  • @neddy08
    @neddy08 26 дней назад +9

    Thank you for your review I truly appreciate all the hard work you've been doing for the past year's on your channel.
    It's sad to say but you've been right for the whole time.
    Countless of SE Shields we're telling you-you were wrong you were punching down too hard against Square Enix on their decision when we trying to convince people they won't heading towards the right direction.
    You know the old saying hate to be right. They're hated you so much that you're right at the end lol. Now Square Enix is crumbling down. For me personally I hope they reboot the headquarters they need it.

  • @WorthlessWinner
    @WorthlessWinner Месяц назад +14

    While I enjoy it, this stretch of FF7 was rather unfocused (a series of episodic adventures) so it was always gonna be hard to adapt. They made the job harder for themselves

  • @TheAzulmagia
    @TheAzulmagia 25 дней назад +30

    You know, something else that significantly changes with the Barret and Dyne interaction in the remake: Dyne more or less forgives Barret by the end of their encounter in the original game. When Barret tells him Marlene is still alive and they fight, Dyne recognizes that Marlene doesn't need him anymore given the state that he's in. So with his final words, he tells Barret to never make Marlene cry and passes things on to him, since he's already been serving as Marlene's father in his absence.
    In Rebirth, he just dies hating Barret. He never changes from placing the blame at Barret's feet, which just leaves him feeling all the flatter. In the end, he's not concerned about his daughter living her best life; he's thinking about how he can just flip Barret off one last time before he goes. And then all that is followed up with a wacky fight with Palmer, of all people!

    • @KanemiX3
      @KanemiX3 21 день назад

      I went back and watch the scene. I thought the Rebirth did the same thing. Actually in the OG, Nomura also expanded it in the novels that the OG Dyne went about the same way as Rebirth. He thought of nothing but to end it all because he was so intoxicated, it was impossible for him to be redeemed. but I would say that giving him the suicide was more poetic than getting shot down by Shinra.

    • @kjh4496
      @kjh4496 11 дней назад +2

      @@KanemiX3Nobody gives a shit what Nomura retcons in a non canon book.
      The original is canon.

    • @user-bn3ut9jv7e
      @user-bn3ut9jv7e 10 дней назад

      ​@@kjh4496tf you on about? Who are you to talk about what the creator...CREATED. mthfker. We, fans CARE. You need to stfu and stop aligning things to your narrative. Ive followed FF for 28 years. Sot down boy.

    • @yourehereforthatarentyou
      @yourehereforthatarentyou 9 дней назад

      ⁠@@kjh4496the books are canon whether you like it or not

  • @alexkeska9300
    @alexkeska9300 Месяц назад +6

    Came here from Think Before You Sleep channel and I was not disappointed!!!

  • @jameskrack196
    @jameskrack196 Месяц назад +6

    You nailed how I felt about playing this. I do realize that it might have something to do with my age and playing the og ff7 when it was brand new. People saying it's nostalgia just sounds lame to me though. I think it's just a much more cohesive and easier to understand in the original. The original also just walks all over remake as far as cutting you deep with emotions. The original ff7 is the only game that made me cry and I started gaming in 1988. This remake made me feel almost nothing at all.

  • @insertname3919
    @insertname3919 19 дней назад +6

    Great video completely agree and I’m just hoping that Sephiroth isn’t the end villian and that it’s Jenova in its original form like when it fought the Ancients as Square really have done Sephiroth dirty. Truly hoping this is why as they have decided Jenova is end game.

  • @mikespearwood3914
    @mikespearwood3914 Месяц назад +16

    Well done on this video. You've summed up how shallow and hollow these remake games are.

  • @endlessmitch9663
    @endlessmitch9663 Месяц назад +10

    Spot on review! I’ve been a fan since 1997 and you really nailed it when you talked about all the NPC’s in the towns and not being able to enter houses. The sense of discovery and exploration is lost in this game.
    Can you imagine in 1997 if there was icons all over the world map . Honestly I thought pushing select and having indication arrows on which buildings/pathways you could enter was to much back then. This game feels like they’re holding your hand and dragging you everywhere you go.

    • @icessoup
      @icessoup Месяц назад +3

      Exactly, spot on

  • @lukefish52
    @lukefish52 Месяц назад +4

    The ending of this video made me cry more than Aeriths death in Rebirth

  • @TrvisXXIII
    @TrvisXXIII Месяц назад +10

    Wow, you absolutely captured everything I was feeling, and I’m not an FF7 purist

  • @jwmcq
    @jwmcq 16 дней назад +4

    Mate, I played ff7 at 12 years old and it changed my life. I used to tell my dad about going to the northern crater etc. Eventually I got on the Internet and entered a wider FF community - don't think anyone even knew the word 'fandom' back then.
    The reason I say all this is because I wanted a faithful, HD, Unreal Engine remake of FF7. What they gave me was a kick in the nostalgic tits and a big "fuck you" for some incredibly formative memories. And that was the best thing they could possibly have done.
    FFVII is important to me. They fucked it up and made me love it. That's art.

  • @felixfletcher8070
    @felixfletcher8070 Месяц назад +14

    You hit the nail on the head with lack of replay-ability. I've probably played the original a dozen times but don't feel compelled to replay these new games at all.
    Forgotten Capitals handling is the most egregious thing in Rebirth IMO, we don't get the wonder of finding it or exploring it, which was one of my favorite moments from the original. The pacing of losing Aerith and finding her is all of a few minutes in game time. The once mysterious iconic track from the OST now subdued beyond recognition.
    and I have Sephiroth fatigue myself, fighting him should have been saved for the end of series. Sad because he was my most iconic villain in gaming history & now why should we be scared of him? We've already seen the characters have literal plot armor when Barret got stabbed.

    • @Zeen987
      @Zeen987 Месяц назад +8

      This 👆 Arriving at the Forgotten Capital was one of my favourite parts from the OG, and the track is amazing. Rebirth butchered so much.

  • @franciscor390
    @franciscor390 Месяц назад +13

    I have to give it to you the video you created oozes passion and with great points.

  • @arjunarman5814
    @arjunarman5814 21 день назад +6

    53:51 is such a masterful mixing of your thesis along with Karen C's vocal and the juxtaposed before and after of the pivotal scene in question. The meaning in the center of all of these discussions is that our experiences as children and younger people (either doused in nostalgia or the reality of innocence) cannot be replaced or surpassed by the present. The present does not have the weight required to counter the accumulated hills of sentiment-sediment of the past...and the present always passes. In line with your point about the game itself confirming your suspicions that the original could not be approximated in the present, the overall failure of the game to surpass the past is another straw in the pile that comprises the disillusionment of adulthood. We spend our time talking and thinking about these trivial things because our everyday lives cannot compare due to our own inability to see our value or that the haze of Capitalist Realism prevents truly novel and original thought from manifesting. We continue to await these daily carnivals of entertainment with the fatal desire to return to perceived happier and more meaningful times to no avail. But these are the only entertainments our culture in large can produce. Rebirth cannot give us "Yesterday Once More". An excellent video with true passion behind it. You are no mere fan or nerd, but a person with feelings that need an outlet of greater value.

    • @orion8550
      @orion8550  20 дней назад +2

      Thank you for your kind words!

  • @Gabrielbew
    @Gabrielbew Месяц назад +22

    Great analysis. Just to add to the conversation: I think they botched the feeling of the chase for Sephiroth not only because he's not threatning anymore as you've mentioned in your Sephiroth part, but also because Square was terrified of another one of their mainline games feeling too railroaded after so much criticism towards XIII. So instead of this sequence where the party has this sense of urgency while they chase the shadow of Sephiroth down, they are free to roam around, do side content, scam towers, break dance in the beach, waste time, in short all sorts of things that could be fun in a game but that need to be restricted during certain segments in order to maintain the tension.
    Sure, the original did not force you towards chasing Sephiroth, but it also didn't give you a million of side activities to waste your time on (outside of the Goldsaucer, which is it's own mini-game hub separate from the flow of the main story for the most of it), so you pretty much had to go continue the chase. That chase also ties thematically with the Reunion and how Cloud was not only voluntarily chasing Sephiroth, but was drawn towards him on a subconscious level. But to hell with all that and that feeling, it's more important to have content such as luring chickens.

    • @vonclaren1
      @vonclaren1 Месяц назад +2

      'Seffrot' lols

    • @mako3197
      @mako3197 Месяц назад +13

      I think the breaking up of the game into a trilogy (and consequently the shallow padding added to substantiate each game as a standalone) has completely thrown off the pacing and experience of the plot. And having 4+ years between the release of each part makes it that much worse.

    • @Zerorenren4761
      @Zerorenren4761 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@mako3197The worst part is that if they had cut half of the filler that Rebirth has and had a longer development time, Rebirth could've been easily the last part.

    • @mako3197
      @mako3197 Месяц назад +3

      @@Zerorenren4761 completely agree, comes across as milking the FF7 cash cow (once again) to me.

    • @kei7540
      @kei7540 Месяц назад +1

      Cool what changed?

  • @homeslicehomeslice
    @homeslicehomeslice Месяц назад +9

    This series is more kingdom hearts then kingdom hearts is.