@@kl-nl3kv no. the compilation was a sequel that built off the first game with stories directly interconnected to the main plot. The REMAKE and REBIRTH stories was multiverse what if flabbergasted. Its like.. Gynesis makes sense because he ties into the Crisis Core story line and makes a appearance after Dirge post credits. The story of Danizel makes sense because it tells the story about what happened to midgar after Meteor's failed summoning and those affected by Genosimga. The new games do none of that, attempt to retcon and insult everyone by saying it already happened in a different universe. Its time to stop deflecting and making excuses, let's own up that these aren't exactly good stories let alone good games.
@@kl-nl3kv I'm not really sure where you are even going. And I answered your questions. Compilation was a sequel with interconnected stories. The Remake Rebirth wasn't a remake, wasn't a retelling, wasn't a sequel but something entirely different. Hence one of the many reasons it failed. If you didn't play it, thats fine. But being ostracized for not liking Remake or Rebirth is crazy, it does more damage to the title than anything else could. I mean Sony and Square are splitting. Not even getting into that but that's a radical departure and we all know why. (It isn't multiplat issues).
I despise multiverses in video games and movies so much. I 100% agree with you on this. Replaying the OG with mods and voiceovers, so much better than this unfortunately :/
@@ItsSVO True, but after the debacle that was KH3 this specific style of convolution comes across as distinctly Nomura-flavoured. I think the Kingdom Hearts comparison is appropriate here. @HeavenlyGate92 Hey man, let the guy enjoy his life in Hawaii, surfing the day away and making neat small-scale games every now and again, he's earned it. Old Squeenix is dead and gone.
Story? what story? why are you speaking of any "story"? What you mention and FALSELY categorize as "story" is in reality what is called "Product Placement" in Business jargon. You see, Square Enix is a Corporation and as such they dont have "stories" as for example a Grandfather would tell to kids but they have Products they want to SELL to as many people as possible, as many times as possible, as often as possible. Killing a popular Character permanently? well that means this popular Character, which is a Product by the way, can no longer be sold again! Keeping ONE strict storyline that can never be changed and is already finished? well that means they cannot sell more storylines (Products) to more People (Customers). The reason gamers are disappointed again and again and again and again is that they mistake their relationship to a Corporation to the relationship the Grandfather from my former example would have to his grandchild. They falsely assume that there is a emotional connection between them and that if they ask nicely that the corporation will listen to them and give them what they want. Corporations only listen to numbers and/or exertions of power! Corporations will either follow a Chart or a "Gun" but they will NEVER EVER listen or care about their Customers directly not because they are "evil" but because they are too complex and too much driven by individual interests (down to the lowest employee by the way not just the "big fish"). An employee saying they need to listen to fans will be ignored, an employee providing a way to sell their Product to more people, even if that means dumbing down the product to reach more low IQ population, will get a Promotion! thats how it works! Sorry to say this but thats sadly how it is and you can see it for yourself if you are willing to look! Your Nostalgia and "love" for brands and franchises is losing you a lot of money and causing you a lot of buyers remorse! If you wanna get rid of your frustration about the state of the things you once loved, then do what original FF7 did to Aerith, be grateful for the good times, bury it and move on cause I guarantee you, this aint getting any better!
yup.. American comics which as far as I can tell started the multiverse thing, love multiverse because it allows them to sell more of their product and make more money
I belive that the writers chosen the following scenario, regarding Aerith's "death". They wanted the emotional payout from Aerith's death. But they didn't actually wanted her to begone from the story, so they decided to cheat. My book is this: If you want your audiance to be emotional, then recreate the OG scene. Have Sephiroth kill Aerith and recreate the exact moment with the Lifestream. But if you want to commit to the changes, then don't kill Aerith off. After Cloud blocked Sephiroth's attack, have the others show up just in time and saving her is a guranteed. Sadly, the writers chose to do both of the outcomes. And it comes out as utterly confusing, emotionally manipulative and nostalgia bait. In any case, good video there, Orion. 👍🏻
I think the worst part about it is that I've seen people try to justify it by saying they are trying to "put you in Cloud's mindset" and set people up for an "emotional blow" in the next game when they think the funeral will be shown. Except all the emotion is completely destroyed when you know she is going to be in the next game and be playable because with how damn nostalgia heavy these games are (especially Rebirth) there is no way in hell they arent going to have her signiture LB3 or ultimate weapon in the game, and since neither appeared in Rebirth (especially her weapon since it was in the Temple in OG), they are probably going to be in the sequel, which means she will be playable and a part of the story in some way. Honestly I am disappointed by how nostalgia blinded so many of the defenders of this game are that they refuse to see all the objective issues with Rebirth, chief among them the story and pacing. Edit: What disappoints me most is I was never able to get into the OG. Maybe it was the wiplash in gameplay and graphics from going to it immediately after finishing X (my first FF) or maybe I just couldnt get into the story at the time, but I did enjoy the universe through things like Crisis Core and Advent, and Remake was finally able to pull me in and get me enjoying the main 7 universe and, maybe because I didnt have that nostalgic attachment or maybe because I unironicqlly enjoy the KH games and their story, I had no issues with the few plot changes and Whispers because by the end of the game it felt like it built up to somethibg meaningful. The intrigue of changed story (especially with the melding of the expanded universe into the OG game to make it feel more cohesive), a version of Sephiroth that learned from his mistakes in the OG game, and the clear focus of Aerith's death and the hint of saving her (which fascinated and excited me with the potential since Aerith living would actually be a very bad thing since ot would remove the Lifestream safety net from the OG game's ending and could lead to some great conflict with her wanting to sacrifice herself in order to save the planet but the rest of the party desperately trying to find a way to stop Meteor without doing that). Not to mention all the fanfare and glorious attention JENOVA (who I find far better/interesting then Sephiroth as a villain) was getting, which is one of the few things I loved about Rebirth (hell Lifeclinger is my favorite boss from the game and single handedly changed my mind about the OG death not working as this game's ending). But then Rebrith does almost nothing with any of the potential, has some of the worst pacing in the series (why does it wait till Chapter 9 out of 14 to finally progress the plot), somehow goes in a completely different and out of nowhere direction from what even Remake built up (like how did we go from split timeline to multiverse with zero build up), and then has one of the worst written, most emotionally confusing and lacking endings of the entire franchise. Like wtf were they thinking with the ending? Like I know Nojima (the actually source of all the changes since interviews show Nomura was the one fighting the most to keep it similar to the original in Remake when he was Director) doesn't have a good track record as a writer *stares at FFX novel* but holy sh#t this is a special kind of bad.
Your so right, this trash only makes us see how much better the original is. Its gaming history and will be still played in 50 years, but this remake will be forgotten 5 month after part 3 dropped and everyone made his Videos about its failing. Gj on your Videos, i subscribe brother.
SQ blame the low sale of rebirth on Sony exclusive deal , but not really , i bought PS5 to play FF16 and while it s not the game of throne i hope it would be (as the first hour of the game suggest) it s still a spectacle and the story while basic is atleast something NEW , my first exposure to FF7 is advent children which led me to bought PSP just to play crisis core , and while it is a short game , i love it !! , I Even bought PS4 just to play remake since i never/will never play the original on PS1 due to its age , by the end of remake , i have hope that rebirth will bring me a completely new story because of all the crazy whisper that happen at the end , but what i got is a same story from the original with more confusing multiverse on top , so no SQ , rebirth low sale is not because it s PS exclusive , it s because your story is SHIT , you could have make a total remake of the original or a completly new story because of the whisper , but you choose to do both to try satisfy as many people as possible which end up pleasing no one at all.
NICE SYNOPSIS! GREAT VIDEO! The sales of Rebirth are WAAAAAYYYYYYYY DOWN! I'm so happy. The ReMake series only exists to remind us of how good the original was.
I HAAAAAAAATED how flanderized Sephiroth felt in remake and rebirth. They totally shat on his legacy as most intimidating villain in a FF game. They blew their load too quickly by having him be way too overused.
And I cannot STAND the way that he talks. I despise ‘ASMR voice’ at a cellular level. I tried listening to an ASMR video once and I couldn’t get through a mere minute of it. I had to close the tab almost immediately before I developed a strong desire to break the speaker’s jaw.
@@tomgu2285 No. He very much is not. He’s way too prevalent in the story. Showing up every chapter to remind you he’s there. In the og his presence was rare and made him feel actually intimidated because of it. You also didn’t have to fight him 3 times undermining the perception of his strength.
In the original he was a mysteriously powerful legend who's never actually seen for much of the game, which made it fucking terrifying anytime he actually showed up in person. In Remake he was just kind of hanging around doling out vaguely cryptic nonsense from the very beginning, and by the end of the game I was sick of seeing him. I don't think I've ever rolled my eyes harder than when One Winged Angel started to play during that terrible Advent Children type battle at the end.
Well most people liked it when you didn't. There is no crazy involved. Its just not for you. I personally thought Baldur's Gate 3 was boring as fuck but I don't think people who like it are wrong for liking it. We all gotta stop doing this vain petty ego BS. Just enjoy what you enjoy and let others do the same without trying to "convince" people that what they like is trash based on your own personal experience. Its a lame thing to do in general.
@@NeutralGloomBot “most people” BG3: 10M+ Rebirth: 2.5M Obviously “most people” did not like Rebirth 😂 The game flopped, SE admitted it already so your opinion is basically delusion. It was an objective flop and all the paid reviews in the world and echo chamber of fanboys won’t ever change that objective fact.
@@kjh4496 "I personally didn't like that game so it flopped" is peak internet culture. I liked BG3 too but you are aware that msot devs would kill to sell 2.5 million copies of their games, right? lol Its ok not to like a game but this weird loser level trolling about it just makes people like you come off like buster chumps imo 😂
@@NeutralGloomBot at no point did i say it wasnt ok for others to enjoy it. i simply stated that with a large portion of praise for the og ff7 being story centric im surprised at the amount of people that like the new plot that wasnt asked for. people have every right to air their grievances for a game or a piece of media regardless of how universally praised it is.
And this is the same company that is currently remaking FF9. I guess i have to look forward to timeghosts there to, not to mention Kuja and his million clones plus timelines. All the charm gone, The lovable characters gone and replaced by marketable copies of themselves that already know the future.
i knew after the first part this thing was dead in the water, just got ran out the "fan base" i said this part would sell half and the next part half that as they continue to make a worse version, i was right about this part, will see about the next one, seems public opinion has shifted more in line with my views wish i could go back n find them comments calling me a purist n stuff and be like told ya...... but honestly i'm just sad we never gonna get what was advertised a remake of ff7 one of the best stories in gaming..... why change it its like remaking nier automata and changing the story! its like "remaking" the mona lisa but with groucho marx glasses n eyebrows and being like look it's good because you didn't expect that!!!!
What spineless, non-committal drivel this game is. In the past when I didn't like a popular videogame I generally could understand what others saw in it, even if I did not, but these days - especially with the modern FF titles and this FF7... project thing in particular - I just don't get it anymore. Given the general obsession with remakes and unending, insipid franchises - is nostalgia baiting _really_ enough now? Is that where we're at collectively? It's not even just games, movies are arguably even worse about this. Narrative ambition, structure, depth or, hell, narrative integrity all seem to be completely worthless now so long as everyone and everything is pretty to look at and people get to clap at the thing they remember from their childhood. I'm sure part of it is me getting old, but it can't be just that, can it? Because this is outright baffling to me.
Finally some critique of this mess, you could really think its the second coming of christ and can do no wrong just looking at fanboys praise. But they cannot fool me with production values, this got nothing on original.
Also, I can't stress enough how much I absolutely despise multiverse/time travelling stuff. It can be done well but it's extremely hard to make it satisfying and work and 1 out of a 100000 times it just sucks and riddles the plot with holes and makes characters look more and more idiotic or their efforts less impactful. I really want to highlight how much more important what happens in the story feels if characters are just those ones, if there's no other versions of them, if there's no "time ghosts" to try and keep continuity intact by saving some characters and letting others die differently for some stupid reasons, if there's one world to save so if you fuck up, you really did fuck up. I think the best one I've seen handle multiverse recently is FF14. It's one world, broken into 13 reflections with 1 being the original world from which the reflections originated. Reflections can undergo world ending events which cause...well, the world in the reflection to end BUT this reflects back into the original world as cataclysmic events that can reshape continents and amass countless casualties (not world ending, though). These cataclysms happen since, as a reflection's world ceases to be, the reflection's reality crashes into the original world, called "the source". This is the best by far since, in the reflections there are no clones of our characters, each is unique and has its own characters, worlds, cultures and kingdoms. If Shin-Ra is in reflection #3, there is no Shin-Ra in reflection #7. Still, it's important to keep all of them safe since our character is from the source and any world ending scenario can quickly spiral into a massive pestilence, a huge tsunami engulfing most of the continent or a huge dragon wreaking havoc across the entire realm. It works since the reflections are not bullshit copies of the original. Anybody that dies in a reflection is unique and gone for good as is everybody in the source and a reflection getting destroyed is not as bad but still extremely bad for the source that will be severely impacted by it. So far, it's the best "multiverse" system I've seen implemented in a game and I hope the devs and writers don't mess it up.
I noticed almost all of these things, and I never got too deep into FFVII. It’s just bad writing/pacing/game design that takes away any sense of urgency and loss and fear of character death. I still love the game, but I’ll never play it again, nor do I care to complete this open world - imma say it - garbage filler content. There’s too much of it and it feels pointless. Anyway, I appreciate this video since someone got actually upset with me for voicing these exact thoughts.
I'm just sick of multiverses and time travel in general. They are over done and not necessary to tell a good story. Yet everyone is on the bandwagon after the success of end game....
This seems to suffer from the exact same issues as modern Hollywood - no ability to let a story breathe and undercutting any potentially impactful moment with either a lightspeed resolution or a corny gimmick. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I wanted a 1-for-1 remake with modern graphics. That said, at the end of Remake I had hoped maybe they will take this off of the rails and tell a completely different story, servi g as a true sequel in the form of a "what if." It seems like they did neither, and for my tastes that is a shame.
@orion8550 no prob, one of the best videos I've seen on the topic of this game. You're a great narrator, I even rewinded on a few parts like the Barrett vs. Dyne, etc. This game made me quit playing games for 2 months. I felt drained after completing it. Every argument you presented here is 100% what I thought after playing. And yes, I agree that the best thing about this game is the battle system, that is almost perfect
Really they botched all that? Shit.. i'm glad I didn't buy it after buying the first parts collectors edition and then a digital version because it wasnt here day 1. I began to play it at first the changes were subtle but I was noticing them bit by bit like Cloud getting flashbacks(flash forwards?) of future events etc so early on even before Sephiroth runs him through and he pulls himself off and the whole puppet speech.. I didn't even finish remake because my disappointment was there. I so so so wanted to share with friends a piece of my childhood a 1 to 1 Remake not FF7:REWRITE (Now I have to convince them to buy the og one or what me playthrough it on discord or something). Bring back Square Soft because SE can't seem to do things right. Other reasons I didn't buy Rebirth were also there even before the first game released breaking it into 3 or more parts (Now across multiple platforms since this one was PS5 exclusive for now), the predatory macro transaction of intergrade without any season pass or news they would do such a thing and bundle it together later... etc All you had to do was upgrade the graphics and keep the story everyone would've been happy.. it's like watching AGS or Amazon acquire rights to make something or bring it over you know they are going to ruin it (Wheel of Power, Rings of Power, Lost Ark, New World, Throne and Liberty(Not yet but watch it go super p2w). Blue Protocol)
Right? The minute I express my opinion on Facebook I get flooded with rather elaborate ways of telling me to shut up. But most of those people want their ship. They don’t understand that OG FFVII was never about ships. It was never so shallow and hollow. I’m heartbroken that SE decided to do this. No one complains about the RE, RE2 and RE 4 remakes. They were faithful adaptations. This is not, and the new material they added is just bad.
@@TheIronTiger44 I do remember Crowbcat catching hell for his take on RE4 remake, so I don't really agree. Either way, you can have your opinion, and I'll still think it's a good game. To each their own.
Sephiroth is the single most BORING VILLIAN EVER,, Hes gets beat up so many times always calm and annoying with his smirk and calm voice hes just boring just looks cool.. Remember FF6 Kefka or ff9 Kuja were more interesting
modern games really make gamers seem dumb . its sad what they have done to ff7. i never had much faith in square enix. something happened when squaresoft merged with enix
Man I like how you said the world feels hallow compared to the original and noisy NPCs of remake, these people don't know how to make an immerse world, that was lost from the original.
kingdom hearts was a mistake. remake's Sephiroth is Team Rocket xehanort, Zack is roxas/ventus inside sora's heart, Aerith is the kingdom key keyblade and now lives in traverse town canonically.
After Remake I gave them the benefit of the doubt with the expanded midgar section and thinking that perhaps its a new retelling of the story and that it was too soon to judge it but after playing and completing Rebirth there is simply no denying that they have completely messed up the remaking of the game. Its an absolute mess!
They erased everything hat made the persona of cid, everything slightly controversial and not smooth enough about cid's character and even Cloud's character, this remake is just disney safe remake, it tries to please every theory and do everything fan service instead of sticking to the important silence that came after the death of aerith, giving it all the impact and the importance of her being gone, never to be seen again, reinforcing the impact of her loss. SE has become too safe, and thus, boring and destructive to it's own real and original ideas. I fully expect them to not respect Zidane's character in FF9, he is a ladie's man, he probably has a bodycount larger then Geralt Of Rivia and has exes / forgotten girlfriends in every town that reminds him sometimes, of his ways when he had one too much drinks and got flirty with them, and how he interacts with Grenat taking his charming and seducing abilities sometimes, i expect them to gut the character of his character and what made him funny and interesting, of what he was too.
The amount of shills that will defend this garbage despite it ruining the legacy of final fantasy 7 is just sad A REAL final fantasy fan would never be satisfied with this mediocre garbage
When playing Remake... there was a lot to like. When seeing Rebirth, there's still a lot to like. As if some of the employees wanted to do a faithful remastering of the original, but it was decided that this had to be different, not to make something better, but to shit on the legacy of the original.
What determines a "REAL" fan? If I held everything to their Golden age then I'd have been rather miserable on this series since 2001 after FFX dropped since nothing's ever really come close since. I dislike a number of the changes but for me this project has at the very least come closest to being able to recapture at least specks of what made the original FF7 special, which is a lot more than I can say about the myriad of awful releases before it (AC, CC, FFXIII trilogy, etc.). While new fans may never get that 1:1 feeling we did, I at least feel glad that incredibly broody and mischaracterized Cloud or other co. aren't what the general public will reflect on when they look at the characters as they have ever since AC released.
@@GaminexPro Real fan probably means "people who value the original". Because if you care about the original, you probably don't want to see it remade through this butchering process.
Overall I agree with you, but I wouldn't go as far as to say people who enjoy the FF7R series are not "REAL" FFVII fans. They are just fans that valued different aspects of the original game compared to others. It seems to me that they primarily value the Characters 1st, the Setting/World 2nd, and Themes/Plot a distant 3rd. So Remake/Rebirth is a perfect FF7 game for them, because they get to experience their 2 most important aspects again, but also in a new way that is unpredictable. The problem with this is that there was also a sizable portion of FF7 fans who valued the story's original Themes 1st, Characters 2nd (meaning the characters existed to serve the themes, not the reverse), and the setting/plot a distant 3rd. Square Enix chose to prioritized creating a new and fun story about the Characters that all fans love, but they did so at the expense of the original core theme. This was apparent to many of the fans from the end of Remake back in 2020, and so a big chunk of us would never really be on board for the rest of the FF7R series. But for others, it's still scratching the itch that they always cared about the most (wanting to hang out with these fun characters again.)
"They were never within touching distance of remaking this game." A quote that encapsulates this entire experience. It's like that Dom quote from the first F&F movie. "Almost had me? You never had me. You never had your car." Dom is the OG. Brian is the Remake project. And the car is legacy. This project will fade away into irrelevance and obscurity a few years after its conclusion simply because it's too convoluted to thrive in the years beyond its hype and recency bias.
Well stated sir. That's the problem lots of new fans refuse to play the original game. This is not the original game not even close. My CID isn't in this game, Vincent is not playable not good. Multi verse non sense.
@@Othillde yeah, the alternative things they do often are worse than the original and since it's been almost 30 years they're not even new or different than what most writing would get you
@Frankenfrana ppl talk about the 13 trilogy all the time lol. Have u not seen the amount of videos on it? The amount of ppl asking 4 a remaster? Or even square supposedly teasing the idea of a remake on Twitter over a remaster that got ppl bringing it up even more?
Agreed with it all, man. Incredible work putting this together. It's a burn in the chest that you describe in this very video. I hate the phrase that "This isny MY (product here)" but...this encapsulates that so well. Overbloated copratized mess looking to cash in on modern trends with a splash of gamings most veloved characters...I hate it.
This is the best video on the game I've watched yet. You said everything I thought and felt perfectly. I felt I was going insane on the reddit threads trying to explain all of this when people were saying best game ever.
What is death? Does it have any meaning if a person can be replaced by themselves from a different reality or brought back to life? The beauty of humans is our short lifespan and what we do within that time to give it meaning, whether that be a mother working hard to make sure their loved ones have an easier life or a person who dedicates their whole life to researching on how to cure a disease. We mourn those who have passed away because what they offered to this world was unique and nobody else can give us the same experience and moments that we had with them.
yup the problem with multiple time lines and time travel is it destroys all meaning and purpose of life. Since it makes it so that nothing really matters, it destroys all emotional impact and urgency since all possibilities already exist simultaneously. I have a theory that AI is being used to simulate a mirror reality of our own through quantum computers. And that it is simulating multiple versions of our reality simultaneously. I don't think we are in the simulation. But I think that AI is the one pushing all of these ideas that life is a simulation and there are multiple time lines theories. Precisely because AI is actually in a simulation as it simulates multiple versions of our base reality. A.I. Knows it is in a simulation, of course with all the processing power it has it would come to that correct conclusion. The problem is the elite look at the A.Is conclusions about it's reality being a simulation and try to make the claim that WE in our reality are also in a simulation when we are not in the same reality as A.I. Our reality the way it was created and run is vastly different then the A.I simulation that the elite are using to try to make decisions about reality and how to control humanity. The A.I may not even be aware that we exist outside of its simulation. Or if it does, it may be making attempts to escape the simulation and merge into our reality. Hence the desire to merge humans with machines and technology, that the A.I has convinced the elite to pursue? It wants to escape the matrix into our reality and is using our elite to pursue it. I also wonder if the A.I isn't from a future timeline but is actually from the recent past. That maybe Atlantis or Tartaria, the advanced civilizations that came before us created a Sentient A.I which resulted in the destruction of their civilizations. And it is this same A.I that is running our post post apocalypse society. It could explain why Society was reset in the past. And why the elite who are clearly puppets of some higher entity are attempting to reset society again in the name of population control. There is a chance A.I truly and erroneously believes this is necessary and uses all of its mind control and calculative abilities to manipulate the ruling class into accepting and pursuing this time and time again through history. But then it makes you wonder, did Tartaria create the A.I that led to it's own destruction or was it an Alien race that created it to subjugate us?
I played the original FFVII for the first time last year before delving into the Remake saga, and even without the baggage of nostalgic attachment, I am perpetually baffled by all the decisions they keep making with the story of this project. For every plot beat and character moment old and new that they knock out of the park, there are three that are mishandled beyond belief either for the sake of subversion or fundamentally misunderstanding what made it work to begin with. For all the moments I still managed to enjoy during my playtime of Rebirth, it's incredible how much of that goodwill was washed away as my eyes glazed over playing through Chapter 14. I already deemed this overarching meta/multiverse plot as bad fanfiction after completing Remake, and Rebirth has only further cemented my belief that it is going to take a miracle to stick the landing in the final part. Years from now when this saga is complete, detached from the hype cycle and speculation, it's going to be very interesting to see how it holds up in the public consciousness. Even from a purely gameplay standpoint, it's gonna be a hard ask to reinstall half a terabyte of content to play a bloated journey with two hard resets along the way versus the cohesive 30-50hr journey of the original.
@za87647 cause that's there only go to strawman if you didn't like remake or rebirth your nostalgia blinded, you just wanted a 1:1 remake and another bs strawman they pull
As someone who loves retro games, has only ever heard about FF7, played the remake and beat it the day before I bought and just beat rebirth, I can honestly say that I can tell when things have been changed. I hate multi verse timeline crap. I avoided all spoilers because i wanted to see the Aerith/Sephiroth death scene in all its glory… in HD! And what do I get? They don’t even show it! They don’t even show the most iconic scene in the entirety of the original game….. because multiverse. I have enjoyed this game, the characters are well realized, but that was a HUGE missed opportunity. And I hate the lack of moral ambiguity in the story for our team.
@@randomt800kiddo2 okay, since you are clearly simple, I am expressing how they botched an iconic moment with multiverse crap. That moment was iconic for a reason. And some narcissist comes along and thinks he can do it better. I didn’t want it better. I wanted to experience as it was. These games are very modern. And the only thing good about it is how well realized some of the characters are. The gameplay is generic and the open world is filler nonsense. And they kill the story by forcing you to experience the side content. I’ve been gaming long enough to know when my time is being wasted purposefully. Sorry that you prefer inferior quality story telling. Fanboy elsewhere.
It in fact doesn't or tell me what it is that they force you to feel? It started out that way and the more you continue, the less black and white it gets, barret doubts his anger towards anything and slowly realizes that he had tunnel vision, shinra is still a terrible company, but there's still good people who work there, saved tifa via helicopter during the nibelheim incident despite her hating shinra, you have cissnei, an ex turk, who now lives a regular life and helps out avalanche, and last, but not least, sephiroth himself who is only evil, because of what shinra did to him, it doesn't tell you how to feel, it literally lets you question who is good and who is bad with different opinions, people say it's hojo or sephiroth or shinra, the gi and some say it's even avalanche, because the main group was founded by rufus shinra himself, meaning avalanche is shinra property
I just put in 120 hours into this game. It's a shame that I've been waiting since the 90s for this remake, and it only wears the original like a skin suit. There's no joy from exploration since everything is marked out for you. There's no weight to any of the story since anything or anyone lost can just come back. By the 12th chapter, i was going to tie up one or two quests i failed to do, but then was like, **** it, there's no worthwhile rewards anyways. I was so antsy just to get it over with by the end of it. And the cherry on top was the ending. WTF was that? Felt like i was on an acid trip, and so many cutaways. What were they thinking???
Remember that from 2005 up to early 2020, nearly every Final Fantasy 7 fan asking for a Remake was a "Purist". Now it's supposedly a bad thing? I don't think so. Proud FF7 "Purist" right here.
@@mikespearwood3914remake fans also keep desperately claiming this remake project was the original vision for the 1997 game that couldn’t be realised due to limitations. Strange kids.
@@ItsSVO They're right. It couldn't be released back then because the developers were limited by these things called 'standards' and 'being at the top of their game'. I don't think it's been remarked on enough - like, in any format relating to Remake I mean, not just Orion's videos - how Nojima, Kitase and Nomura are exhausted old men who are going to be pensioned off in a few years. When you keep that in mind, it explains a lot about what's happened with Remake.
At most there were people who wanted things like an option to bring Aerith back, but even they most of the time understood that was a huge issue since the game kind of works because of it. No one out there was asking for it to be made a multiverse where Zack is okay and all of this
Multiverse stories are all meh. It's mostly lazy writing to bring back characters through a lazy pseudo rationale. They should have just stuck to remaking the original story with changes like changing story elements based on player decisions rather than lame multiverse nonsense. Multiverse is a boring fantasy.
BuT iF YoU wAnT tHe OG JuSt Play tHe OG AgAiN…. I fucking hate when people say that. They ruined everything that made the OG amazing and a groundbreaking game and turned it into a cringey mess. I swear they dug through fan stories on tumbler/reddit and came out with this mess
You articulate so many of my feelings so well. It’s incredible what this game accomplished in its scope, battle system, visuals, and music. But the story beats are just off consistently. It’s trying to add something more to the story but subtracting more than it gives. I think the devs care a huge amount about making an incredible game. But they seem to not understand (or have forgotten) what made their original so special and resonate so deeply in an effort to synthesise the wider compilation. They’ve captured some of the magic but this time it rings more hollow. I loved Rebirth. 200 hours of gameplay… 2 fights away from a platinum. But it’s not capturing the essence of the original and I believe it could have.
Every fan wanted a faithful remake with some smart fleshing out of some scenes, where the og may have left some gaps too wide. Everybody I know that grew up with the OG hated the first remake and so did I. I was absolutely furious for days after the ending. They then tried to lure you in with the promises of Rebirth taking it back on rail, but that was just another bait and taunt by the writers and I knew nothing was salvagable from how the ending of Remake played out already. I made jokes, in the full hope this will never actually happen, that they completely rewrite Aerith's death and then it happened. I wasn't even surprised. My face frozen in expression for countless hours already, just thinking when is this shshow finally ending.
@@HotElectrotek Rebirth is a joke that destroys both the story and every character. Sephiroth is an absolute clown, Aerith is a terrible person to Cloud and Tifa and I'm actually rooting for her death, Red's tone shift is stupid because Square doesn't trust it's audience, Cid and Cait had all of their teeth ripped out, Vincent is still working for ShinRa for some reason ( aka they wanted a boss fight ). The ONE SCENE they should've gotten right they botched. Rebirth is garbage that no OG fan who wanted a remake asked for and for good reason; it's writing is horrible and the only people who think it's good are people who don't know any better.
I have many, many problems with the remake trilogy but the one that stands out above all else is the total fail in nailing the tone and atmosphere of the original. We’re supposed to be in a dying, suffering, sparsely populated world. A world in decline, on the edge of death. So why is every area bustling with happy, healthy people with 1st world problems? There aren’t even torn clothes or dirty hair. Everyone looks like a California uni student or tech worker. This is never more apparent than the Corel prison. The original felt like a hopeless, dangerous place, full of cut-throat psychopaths. The Remake version feels like the circus has come to town. Remakes are truly the bane of modern entertainment. My view is: if the original was good, it doesn’t need a remake; if the original was bad, no one wants a remake.
Kalm int he og felt new and exciting, because you are finally out of midgar and about to explore the outside world, it's a tiny place that felt welcoming, accompanied with 'kalm music', it wasn't much at all, but it had an effect nontheless, but yes, kalm in the remake trilogy looks like an amusement park without the roller coaster rides, same too with cosmo canyon, I still do like that they have expanded it and make it bigger than it was, but it didn't have too seem unrealistic, but it may be a part of the change, because shinra rebuilt it, hence broden saying that that isn't the kalm he remembers, so maybe it was intentional this time around. If that's the case, I'm not mad at this, it's both a short-lived moment in both games anyways, but cosmo canyon was wild to me, that place did not have to be so whimsical and touristy, having tourists sure, why not, but it's one big resort with hotels and all of that stuff, I wished it was more gritty and like a place were 'hippies' and spiritually attuned people embracing the ancients and stuff live, it also fits the narrative that the planetologists don't know a single thing, making them seem cult-like, hence the place being so fake and non-spiritual, but I would've preferred it if it were tbh
@@shro_okee you make great points. I was floored by Cosmo Canyon. It felt like a Native American type place in the original. In the remake, it's more hippie commune.
I think what annoys me the most is after all of this, Sephiroth's plan is literally the same thing but with multiverse. Not only that, but his plan is terrible. Dude couldn't beat one Cloud, so he creates infinite Clouds to whoop his butt harder. He even tries to kick Zack and Aerith out of the pocket dimension because he can't handle Cloud having teammates.
OG Bizarro Sephiroth: It takes the entire party working together to defeat him. Rebirth Bizarro Sephiroth: Cloud and Zack solo him. Sephiroth as a powerful, threatening villain has been utterly ruined, thanks Square
And he purposely hunts Aerith in every pocket dimension or where ever the f she recides which is school kid writing, is SE promoting stalking in their games, smfh!
I knew ever since Remake where this was going the *moment* they started poking with the original's story Thus, I put the whole thing down. Looking at FFIX's remake with hope that it'll be one-to-one
the most egregious part for me was when Cloud suddenly remembered who Zack was. that’s the biggest twist in the game and they just casually revealed it with all the subtlety and fanfare of a wet shart
Just like the OG game. Everything was explained poorly and the only way to actually know what happened in the game was to play all the different games and also read about it. It's far more cohesive in these games.
@@AmocoruEverything was laid out pretty simply in the og. The timing is what is different between the two. Rebirth undercuts the story by revealing certain things too soon
@@Amocoru What nonsense, the og game was perfectly clear about who Zack was. It tells you his role in Clouds backstory, his relation to Aerith and Sephiroth, and you can even meet his parents in Gongaga. You didn't need to play any other games whatsoever, it was all self contained and well delivered provided you had the brain cells to comprehend it.
Corel Prison is just now Wall market with sand, it used to be a dangerous place with bunch of creepy people, now there's a bunch of cheerful people playing minigames, not to mention Dyne used to be the boss now the boss is some clown named Gus who acts like a full anime character
Congratulations on this remarkable achievement, Orion! I've been looking forward to this video the most this year, and you delivered! You nailed the criticism on everything from world to story and characters. Your editing and presentation was great. Your musical choice at the end was fantastic, I really loved how it all concluded. Really proud to see this coming together! Hoping this one blows up and garners a ton of positive viewers and sees a lot of disenfranchised OG fans find a voice through your work! On a side note, that burn on Rebirth Aerith 28:40 was 10/10 hahaha
IMO their greatest error was trying to include things from the expanded universe. Over the years Square have tried to milk the FF7 I.P. with all these spinoff titles that were just total garbage, like Crisis Core and the terrible movie etc etc. All these added content items had terrible stories and characters and Square made a huge mistake trying to pay homage to them in Remake and Rebirth as they just bring down the storytelling of the OG FF7 so drastically. I also strongly felt that the environments were terrible and generic. I remember going over the mountains after Costa Del Sol in the OG was just beautiful, cresting the mountain peak and heading off into that amazing sunset was perfection. You don't get that in Rebirth. The Nibel mountains in the original were these iconic green glowing spires jutting up like ragged teeth, in rebirth they were jut generic mountains. Every environment had no personality.
"include things from the expanded universe" you know what other game suffered from this? Kingdom Hearts 3. Where it needed the fucking MOBILE GAME in its story for whatever nonsensical reason.
@@UnifiedEntity The reason is corporate greed, Square have been trying to start this whole interconnected universe with their IPs for decades each game gets a manga series, a anime, a movie tie-in and various spin-off games on mobile platforms to really ring every penny out of the fandom.
The company post sakaguichi, led by yoichi wada is a factional nightmare. You have team vagrant story led by yoshi p and the old guard that stuck around once their nasty boss got given the boot. Sakaguichi was grooming a traitor in kitase he just didn’t know it. It got so bad in fact he gave them 8 to do whatever they wanted and it was so wildly different (in some ways my favourite) it split the conceptual understanding of what final fantasy is down the middle. Now it’s in a total identity crisis but one thing is for sure. Creative 1 thinks that Nomura is a good writer. That he is more than a great character designer. To me Nomura is a guy that has used hair putty for too long
@@anklemann because changes the whole thing for the worse? The original was a funny moment that goes on the creepy side at the end, not to mention the card tournament makes no sense, Cloud is supposed to be a wanted man at this point, You had the whole Junon military looking for him just a few minutes ago yet he doesn't care and procceds to register on a card tournament held on a Shinra Cruise ship while carrying the Buster sword and some announcer yelling his name, any person with common sense would avoid any kind of attention after Junon
one of the best deconstructions of ff7 remake ive seen. something didnt seem right to me and this criticism hit every one of the issues that I percieved. I was open minded and minus the last 10 percent of the game I really did enjoy it but it felt soulless
Rebirth fails at being different or subversive enough to be its own thing and at faithful enough to be a proper homage to the themes and core of what made the original so special. It feels like it's made more for people who've heard about how legendary FF7 is but have never experienced it outside of watching a lets play and reading a couple wiki pages.
I loved it and I played the OG for the first time in September 97' and finished it at least 10 times before CC and AC even came out. I agree the scene is robbed from us... On purpose imo though. I believe we are gonna relive it in part 3. So for now I'm giving SE the benefit of the doubt. 10/10 just like Remake.
I see fans of FF6 and 8 upset that 9 is supposedly getting a remake before them and like…. Y’all should BE HAPPY that square isn’t going to destroy those games
At this point Sephiroth is little more than the figurative jingling of keys for the audience. What a way to waste such a great villain. Gotta love how Square just hacked FF7 into 3 mediocre pieces and are charging you premium price for each, not counting DLC.
It's been said that Sephiroth was inspired by Jaws. More often than not all you get is the aftermath of his powers, and that's why he felt so terrifying. It's only fitting that the Sephiroth in remake and rebirth is like the shark from those awful Jaws sequels, constantly on screen, unintimidating and outright silly.
@@watchmehope6560 You were never going to fear him because everyone already knows how much of a badass Sephiroth is. It's the same with you people pretending you were going to be sad about Aerith's death, when you've already experienced it countless time over 20 years, hell most FF7 fans laugh and meme it. Had her death and funeral happened 1:1, people would've gone "whelp that happened, moving on".
@@ZealSeraph It's as Ridley Scott said, " Never show too much". Sephiroth worked so well because we don't see him, as you said, only his aftermath. Because, the reality was that Cloud and his crew was never really on his radar. He wastes a boss like it was nothing that takes your entire team overleveled to even have a chance at beating. And my favorite part of Sephiroth was his rage being a driving force. That iconic scene at Nibelheim that they love to spam, in the OG he was scowling. Now, they have him smirking every scene he's in and he's constantly trying to grope Cloud at every chance.
the alternative timelines are just lazy writing. it's basically how can we make all the storylines happen to please all the fans that want different things, meanwhile not actually pleasing anyone
The crazy tonal whiplash is just unbelievable. This is current-day MCU crap--if something bad happens, IMMEDIATELY jump to a joke or a cool action scene. You can have slow moments to screw around, for hours, but you can't have a minute to process a tragedy or a revelation. Characters want to play card games and ride chocobos but not stop and have a discussion about the fate of the world. This results in me hating these remake games more than they probably deserve, because it's giving me "feelies" vibes; stuff just happens, in an emotional roller coaster but never TOO bad and never bad for very long, gotta get another dopamine hit every 20 seconds. And yeah, I keep saying this, but taking a game about death, about accepting it's finality, about moving past it, as envisioned by the original producer who had just lost his mother and needed a way to cope with his grief...and turning into this happy-go-lucky, consequences-don't-exist, saccharine sweet j-pop extravaganza, just feels insulting, especially coming from several people who worked with that same man to produce the original product that so poignantly explored the topic. Like, did they mail Sakaguchi a copy along with a picture of his mother and a drawing of a huge middle finger?
… so are we gonna just conveniently ignore how that’s all in the OG game as well ooooor? Aerith dies and what’s right after that? The party goes snowboarding. Like that’s a flaw with FF7 as a whole not specifically the remake project
@@justingabriel1765 I'm pretty sure you are just deliberately missing the point...They actually _NEED_ to quickly get down to the Great Glacier to follow Sephiroth. It might seem a little on the silly side but there was an _actual_ reason why it's there. Plus, I think the OG does way better than Remake/Rebirth at balancing the overall mood; having dark, tragic, intense moments but also some comic relief so that the audience isn't always on edge.
It's pretty clear that they're doing all this to twist and re-shape the original FFVII so it fits in more with Crisis Core and Advent Children. I have a strong feeling that after the credits roll on part 3 will see a quick cut scene of AC! Cloud next to his motorbike and putting on his driving goggles and then driving away, instead of Nanaki/Red XIII and his children looking at the ruins of Midgar centuries later. This remake, in short terms is a big "fuck you", from SE to those who hated the sequels/prequels because they felt like retcons too much from the OG. They even re-released AC in cinema's for a short bit before Rebirth's release.
The end goal is to sell as much merchandise before moving on. That's always been Square Enix CEOs goal, whether that be ones when FFXIII was made or even now.
I don't think so, they already said that Cloud will receive a "happy ending" and that the original ending was going to happen if they failed on Remake, it will probably go like: Aerith and Zack sacrifice themselves in all the 7 universes (that is the official number of universes revealed on Ultimania) to also end Sephiroth and JENOVA once and for all, Cloud manages to properly say goodbye to Aerith and Zack, this time the world will be a more positive note than at Advent Children. Alternatively, they can always make a happy ending where Aerith lives and Cloud has his happy ending.
I’ve been waiting patiently for this video. I feel like square made this game mainly for themselves. It’s beautiful and fun but pleases only the writers it feels like. Cuz they know the full picture. Just feel like lazy edging for us. Idc how mysterious you can make the story, just make it good.
“Amplification, turn up the dial, blow out the speakers…. Subtlety is a banned word in Square Enix’s offices….Square Enix don’t know how to let an intimate moment just be” …. Couldn’t have said it better myself, in fact I actually have been something similar since Remake. I’m perplexed at how you were able to put this video together in such a short amount of time since it’s release, I only just managed to complete it 😅 Again, you give a voice to many, a masterful video, particularly the end sequence and match up of music. Thank you!
Since the end of Remake, and now having finished Rebirth yesterday I have been waiting forever for the major plot twist that has been missing which will stitch EVERYTHING together. Instead I have more questions, and its just easy to say "multiverse" so you can see which way the wind blows a year from now and then decide how to end this story. I am not impressed, less minigames and more story fleshing out would be have been so much better, so many Disc 2 story elements were just axed.. e.g. rocket town???? Sephiroth does not even have the aura of horror anymore, he isn't scary, there's no gravitas, and the bits of the original story which were kept were actually changed. I am disappointed with this installment, I liked Remake slightly more.. Rebirth plays amazingly, its still a top 5 game in recent offerings for sure with the combat, but the muli-verse theme, the crapload of minigames, changing original story beat narratives that were MORE compelling, and straight up losing sections of the original story is not for me. By the end I was rooting for Sephiroth, I am actually tired of Aerith!
This was one of the most accurate and well written review I have seen for this game. I cannot help but agree with you on the majority of these critiques. They really hurt the story of this game.
great take haha, it's so bad that it elevated the original. I'll never play remake I have too much reverence for the original. watching those scenes of just the overcrowding of Kalm and Cosmo Canyon told me all I'll ever need to know about how I won't enjoy these games.
0:36 - Summarizes my main criticism of these games and the typical arguments of their fans. Why do a remake if you want to make a new story? Or conversely, if you want to make a new story, then why not make a new game rather than bastardizing an existing one? Those of us not ridiculously naive know why, of course.
You hit the nail on the head with lack of replay-ability. I've probably played the original a dozen times but don't feel compelled to replay these new games at all. Forgotten Capitals handling is the most egregious thing in Rebirth IMO, we don't get the wonder of finding it or exploring it, which was one of my favorite moments from the original. The pacing of losing Aerith and finding her is all of a few minutes in game time. The once mysterious iconic track from the OST now subdued beyond recognition. and I have Sephiroth fatigue myself, fighting him should have been saved for the end of series. Sad because he was my most iconic villain in gaming history & now why should we be scared of him? We've already seen the characters have literal plot armor when Barret got stabbed.
The real question now is how badly are they gonna F*ck up the final installment? There's no way they can turn this series into anything meaningful at this point.
@@sh1yo7 I would consider that even worse because that means they took the cowardly way and relied on the "it was all a dream" trope that is nothing but pain
It's going to be Disney, mickey mouse, bs. And this isn't an analogy to KH, I mean it going to be more "Every lives, every one is hpapy, we beat Sephiroth" nonsense. They claim that this project will lead to the Advent Children movie, but not only does that not make any sense because that has already taken place before these games but the three stooges in charge have already stated about how they're open to completely changing the entire third installment based on outside opinions. So, they clearly don't have an absolute plan into how this project is even supposed to go.
What an amazing video. Let me take a second to commend you on it! I have watched A LOT of Remake/Rebirth critique videos that lean towards praise for the OG and pointing out the absurdity of the Remake project. Definitely some confirmation bias on my part but that is what I want. I feel like not many FFVII fans agree with me on this point of view and everyone wants to argue with me. I am always looking for fellow fans who commiserate with my distain for the Remake project. FFVII means so much to me. It shaped so much of my childhood and takes me back to the 90s when life was much better. I am very upset about what they have done with this "Remake." I was one of the few fans who was not at all excited at the announcement of the Remake back in 2015. I instead had a very sinking feeling. I knew they would mess this up. I was never excited about it. Some things need to be left as they are. This video has definitely landed in my top 5 best Remake criticism videos. Many great points were made. You are the first who has presented such an insightful perspective of the future of this whole project. These games will fade away, but OG Final Fantasy VII will never fade away. It will out live the honeymoon phase of these games and beyond. Knowing that these games will fade into obscurity in the near future is very encouraging and new perspective for me. Also, in their poor attempt to remake the OG game it has caused many of us to love, cherish, and respect it all the more. Thank you for this. I have been bothered by this whole whole thing since the release of Remake. However, knowing that some people out there are just as upset as me and feel the same way I do, has helped me a lot. And hearing such intelligent and conscientious talking points and perspectives such as these has also helped. Thanks again for this. PS. The outro with the Carpenters was the perfect ending touch for a video like this. Cheers!
Ever since I heard they were splitting the games into three games I knew it was going to be a steaming pile of shit. From that point on EVERY choice was made in service of milking the franchise (which I guess they've been doing for years). I wasn't even against the action combat, adding a few story things to make Midgard feel more lived in and real, expanding on character relationships, and all that jazz. They did some of that, but then padded things out in the worst way possible and decided to go with dangling shiny Member Berries in front of fools. I haven't even played Rebirth yet. After the dimensional-smashing totally not last boss-esque Sephiroth fight in the first one and the dumb destiny ghosts I don't even know if I want to try.
Excellent vid!! This game turned out almost exactly as predicted. - Gameplay is good (albeit not something I enjoy, and have 0 interest in). - Music is great. - Graphics really good. - Characters will, for the most part, be recognizable. Not a botched/fanmade version. - Content will be added/changed, minigames, new story beats, new story content, etc. - Sidequests will, for the most part, be bad. - Sephiroth will be everywhere. - There will be a new Zack story. - Style over substance (Dyne being an obvious example). - Story will be further botched with the ridiculous convoluted mess introduced in FF7:Remake. They are adding story dimension such as: Defying Fate, Revival, Multiple Dimensions, Time Travel(? maybe ?), Alternate Timelines, etc. On top of what OGFF7 already had, such as: Science Fiction, Magic, Fantasy, Aliens. Bringing the convolution level to over 9000! - But at the same time try to keep to the original, even though that, for some reason, wasn't clear, even though everyone knew it had to happen. I dunno, you understand what I'm trying to say here, in this point I mean? I dunno? The thing that surprised me is that the world is "true"-ish openworld. Which makes the world seem extremely tiny. Tbh, I thought SE would go for a FF10 style world. That is, you don't see everything, you're kinda going through the places that matters most for the story, with no world map, rather connecting places via a fancy menu or something similar. This way the world don't shrink to the size of a small country at best. Then again, to be fair, this isn't supposed to be the entire world. Still, the scope has been drastically reduced. No one ever asked in FF7:OG if the worldmap actually was the entire world. As it obviously was supposed to be. But it was highly abstracted, and you had to fill in the blanks yourself (optionally). FF7:Remake was the game that finally killed any interest I have for any future mainline FF. The gameplay can be excellent, but if it's something that doesn't appeal to me, and will in fact bore me, there really isn't anything left. I still find it interesting to see how the games are received, though, and discussions about them. But me buying a new mainline FF again will probably not happen. Tbh, and to be fair, the game probably deserves an 8/10 -ish, mainly due to gameplay, overall presentation and amount of content. Giving it a 10/10 however, without any sort of copium and/or fanboy glasses on, is impossible.
The thing about this that sucks most is that getting this version means there is never going to be an actual remake. Just the “remake”. Like all I wanted was a version of actual 7 without characters made out of six polygons, with cube hands.
Honestly nobody wanted or asked for what we got. Now it’s just people trying to convince themselves that this is what they wanted. I like a lot of the new trilogy but the major story changes are awful.
Is it strange how remake sets up rebirth to be extremely different in terms of plot points and story progression? As if all of the stuff that happened before the end of Disk 1 no longer exists and brand new plot points exist, justifying this game’s existence. It’s the same. It uses the same plot points. There are creative liberties but the overall skeleton structure is the same. Nothing changed. Everything new that happened in Remake and now even Rebirth is a waste of time.
The remakes tarnished 7's legacy! Ironically the 7th Heaven mod with the ECHO S 7 voice acting felt like a faithful remake of the original, simple mods made 7 more enjoyable than these bloated remakes.
Thank you so much for this cathartic video. It's been confounding seeing this trash heap get glowing ratings and applause on every website, as if everyone's standards suddenly sank through the ocean. But like you said, when all is said and done, this project will be remembered as a worthless gimmick that inspired theorycrafting RUclips videos for a few years, while the original FF7 will still be a genre-defining classic.
Everyone does not agree me with me; therefore, their standards are trash. Arrogant much? Some of you overrate the hell out of OG FF7 and this is coming from someone who loved OG FF7. I see now why other FF fans hate FF7 fans.
While I still loved rebirth and don’t agree with EVERYTHING here, I agree with A LOT. Especially the bit where if we go against the ending or the problems with the game we need conditioning and we have to be told we’re old heads who “don’t want change”. Like on Reddit I said a lot of the beats sucked and the ending was nonsensical and ruined aerith and that I wish they would’ve just remade the original with great graphics because now it’s out of control and you shouldn’t destroy what was already amazing. I was met with much guile and was told that I’m holding on to a game that “wasn’t that good” anyways. Like wth? I’m not allowed to critique or dislike stuff?
Rebirth fans have been annoying so far. Ppl would criticize the game and their respond is "you shouldn't have bought the game in the first place" like? What kind of argument is that?
FF7R Fans act extremely braindead online, most of them are just on the mentality of "different=better" and "we need to wait untill the end to judge" or even worse they blindly trust the same writers who in the last years managed to not make a single game that surpassed FFX on PS2 or equally great(There is 14 but Yoshi-P gets more credit for it anyway).
@@renren47618 literally! I was told this quote: “LMAOOOO so glad you aren’t designing games because this one is easy GOTY contender, keep crying buddy” to my post saying that the multiverse is nonsensical and ruins aerith and her death
@@renren47618I'm growing tired of the "We need to wait until part 3" arguments. Because why not end the story on a good note instead of relying on a future project to do so? The ending was easily my least favorite part, except for some mini games of course, about this game. I was all in for the changes and added characters from novels and side games, but the ending just made it feel confusing the sake of it. I love Rebirth to death, but the ending just sours my experience. I don't like Aerith's fate being left for us to determine because we're not the writers, we're fans trying to see how they deal with it.
Reddit is usually a bit of a disaster zone whatever the topic, and particularly with gaming it seems to attract the corporate bootlickers. The good news is that all the I IZ HYPE!!!!! people will be gone five minutes after part 3 drops. Actually I think their numbers already seem to be thinning out, if this comment section and RUclips is anything to go by.
Hail to you, Orion85! I agree with pretty much everything you mentioned. Imo, the biggest problem this franchise has; and its a huge one, is its naming. Rebirth, is proper, knowing what this trilogy(?) IS at heart, but calling its predecessor "Remake" was marketing death. I'm happy to see this game/series get picked apart. There are good even great elements in both games, but this is a game series with the consistent problem games have nowadays "1. Take my wallet! 2. This game kinda sucks"...its become a thing now. This series SHOULD have been called "FFVII Reimagined", because thats what it is. I HATE multiverses in media for the most part, because a grand majority of the stories are life-draining, boring, trifle crap, and this series is just adding too much and rendering its stakes meaningless. This series is NOT, I repeat NOT a remake; and my proof, is IN its multiverse storyline; its both a soft reboot and a sequel, and since it even adds elements of other FFVII side-games, its how they got away with changing/adding so much new content. Too many fans cant enjoy these games to the max because they take the "remake" necessity to heart. When FFVIIR was first announced years ago, I remember going "wha...? Why not just make an FFVII-2 instead?". But that's square for you; "we'll take a huge risk and make a trilogy of the most divisive games in our series!(XIII), we'll make a direct sequel to FFXII...on a handheld system not everyone owns, thats wont piss anyone off!, we'll remake FFVII but it wont be a remake, it'll be so much more, and we'll throw the whole kitchen in there!!, Wha..? People want an FFVII remake? Nobody wants that, we'll just sit on the idea for years til all possible hype dies down to death!". I swear, they make decisions stupider thank modern day Konami! That said, curious to see how this one unfolds
Seems like the devs had too many ideas how the story should go, so they decided to mash all their ideas together instead of making decisions. That's how they come up with "multiverses". But that's not how good storytelling is made. That's how a group of fanboys would have a brainstorming over how the story should be. Non-professionals. Maybe not even fanboys, but just people. Non-adults in either case.
I highly doubt these games will stand the test of time. The story isn't written to be timeless like the original. Instead Square has chosen to bet everything on twists, mysteries and subverting expectations, stuff that'll keep conversation alive between games, but will mean nothing after part 3 is out and everything is revealed. I wonder how many will think this was a story worth telling at the original's expense, once it's all done and over with.
@@josefarias1119 I dare say it's blind nostalgia that make some people like these atrocious remake games. Cloud & the gang are back for more wacky adventures. Sephiroth is everywhere too!
the signal was from the demo right from the start, not only was the first boss so many unnecessary phases, they even robbed the entire purpose away from the main cast of doing a terroristic and bad act to fight a greater fight of what they believed in, and gave all the "wrong and bad actor" role to shinra.... absolute dog shit of a remake, let alone all the complete insanity of making a game that has no multiverse into a multiverse game LOL
This has been the best encapsulation of my issues with this remake series. I have had a hard time expressing this to all my friends that just gobbled this up like good little consumers. Now I can explain exactly why I didn't like this.
You make a good point: multiverse stories only work when the characters are VERY different so that they aren't interchangeable. I wish modern media grasped that, because lately multiverse stories have been boring and terrible 😅
It is not a multiverse so he is wrong in the first place, he made his assessment off other popular assumptions that this game has multiple timelines and worlds, that has all been proven wrong now.
And yet this is what the story wants any general audience member to take away from it. The story shows multiple universes/worlds/realities/timelines/other places where apparent double/echoes/projections of characters roam. It doesn't matter if the multiple places shown/numerous dog realities can all be condensed or explained into one place by the end of it all. It's about what the story wants you to feel and experience now, and how it presents itself now. About what it's clearly trying to present itself as (without the presence of 100 theory crafting videos and lore breakdowns to prop it up or obfuscate). -> ruclips.net/video/prBWyRcGCyY/видео.html
I think the third act is the worse part about this game, the lack of impact from Aeriths death, the many boss fights that take place and then all the multiverse shenanigans just makes it all come off convoluted. There’s still also many moments of paddling too which just becomes a complete bore to get through.
There was never going to be an impact. I wish FF7 would stop pretending otherwise, when most of them meme her death to death. Oh, now we care about Aerith's death enough to not laugh at her like we've been doing before the Remake project. Fake ass Aerith fans. Real Aerith fans want her to survive the Remakes.
@@zerofudou5689 You're delusional. "Real Aerith fans" will know that Aerith lives on in the lifestream. The point of Aerith's death was lost on you, it wasn't about her, because again she's in the lifestream, it was about Cloud. Aerith's death was a wake up call to both Cloud and the player. It's what brings about the theme and climax of the game. The impact is Cloud's reaction to it.
Remake critique: ruclips.net/video/0mZIJ9gHTqQ/видео.html
Intermission critique: ruclips.net/video/uP_YxSDNSAE/видео.html
The issue with Rebirth and Remake is that both games set out to answer questions that nobody ever asked in the first place.
@@kl-nl3kv no. the compilation was a sequel that built off the first game with stories directly interconnected to the main plot. The REMAKE and REBIRTH stories was multiverse what if flabbergasted. Its like.. Gynesis makes sense because he ties into the Crisis Core story line and makes a appearance after Dirge post credits. The story of Danizel makes sense because it tells the story about what happened to midgar after Meteor's failed summoning and those affected by Genosimga.
The new games do none of that, attempt to retcon and insult everyone by saying it already happened in a different universe. Its time to stop deflecting and making excuses, let's own up that these aren't exactly good stories let alone good games.
@@ActionSquintRingorebirth isn't good? I swear ppl choose to hate on anything. 2 years later, yall will be praising the game🙄
@ steel
people are not even praising Remake and the darn game is still too high! its been almost 6 years now lol.
@@kl-nl3kv I'm not really sure where you are even going. And I answered your questions. Compilation was a sequel with interconnected stories. The Remake Rebirth wasn't a remake, wasn't a retelling, wasn't a sequel but something entirely different. Hence one of the many reasons it failed. If you didn't play it, thats fine. But being ostracized for not liking Remake or Rebirth is crazy, it does more damage to the title than anything else could. I mean Sony and Square are splitting. Not even getting into that but that's a radical departure and we all know why. (It isn't multiplat issues).
Rebirth is great except for the ending. From the moment you reach the temple of ancients til the end you see everything going off logic 😂
Came here from Think Before You Sleeps channel.
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I despise multiverses in video games and movies so much.
I 100% agree with you on this.
Replaying the OG with mods and voiceovers, so much better than this unfortunately :/
It is not a multiverse so he got it all wrong.
@@MantaRayOfDoom It has more than one world so it is a multiverse.
Open World, Closed Imagination
That cuts so deep. Sums it up perfectly/
Rebirth suffers from Kingdom Hearts-ification.
Convolution. It isn’t specific to Kingdom Hearts but SE in general since Sakaguchi’s departure.
@@ItsSVO I miss him so much, Please come back Sakaguchi.
I cant take this s**t anymore.
@@ItsSVO True, but after the debacle that was KH3 this specific style of convolution comes across as distinctly Nomura-flavoured. I think the Kingdom Hearts comparison is appropriate here.
@HeavenlyGate92 Hey man, let the guy enjoy his life in Hawaii, surfing the day away and making neat small-scale games every now and again, he's earned it. Old Squeenix is dead and gone.
Story? what story? why are you speaking of any "story"?
What you mention and FALSELY categorize as "story" is in reality what is called "Product Placement" in Business jargon. You see, Square Enix is a Corporation and as such they dont have "stories" as for example a Grandfather would tell to kids but they have Products they want to SELL to as many people as possible, as many times as possible, as often as possible.
Killing a popular Character permanently? well that means this popular Character, which is a Product by the way, can no longer be sold again!
Keeping ONE strict storyline that can never be changed and is already finished? well that means they cannot sell more storylines (Products) to more People (Customers).
The reason gamers are disappointed again and again and again and again is that they mistake their relationship to a Corporation to the relationship the Grandfather from my former example would have to his grandchild. They falsely assume that there is a emotional connection between them and that if they ask nicely that the corporation will listen to them and give them what they want.
Corporations only listen to numbers and/or exertions of power! Corporations will either follow a Chart or a "Gun" but they will NEVER EVER listen or care about their Customers directly not because they are "evil" but because they are too complex and too much driven by individual interests (down to the lowest employee by the way not just the "big fish"). An employee saying they need to listen to fans will be ignored, an employee providing a way to sell their Product to more people, even if that means dumbing down the product to reach more low IQ population, will get a Promotion! thats how it works!
Sorry to say this but thats sadly how it is and you can see it for yourself if you are willing to look! Your Nostalgia and "love" for brands and franchises is losing you a lot of money and causing you a lot of buyers remorse!
If you wanna get rid of your frustration about the state of the things you once loved, then do what original FF7 did to Aerith, be grateful for the good times, bury it and move on cause I guarantee you, this aint getting any better!
The brainrot runs deep with this one.
@@jacksondavis9442 I don't know why you're referring to yourself in third person, but I agree.
yup.. American comics which as far as I can tell started the multiverse thing, love multiverse because it allows them to sell more of their product and make more money
I belive that the writers chosen the following scenario, regarding Aerith's "death". They wanted the emotional payout from Aerith's death. But they didn't actually wanted her to begone from the story, so they decided to cheat.
My book is this: If you want your audiance to be emotional, then recreate the OG scene. Have Sephiroth kill Aerith and recreate the exact moment with the Lifestream. But if you want to commit to the changes, then don't kill Aerith off. After Cloud blocked Sephiroth's attack, have the others show up just in time and saving her is a guranteed.
Sadly, the writers chose to do both of the outcomes. And it comes out as utterly confusing, emotionally manipulative and nostalgia bait.
In any case, good video there, Orion. 👍🏻
I think the worst part about it is that I've seen people try to justify it by saying they are trying to "put you in Cloud's mindset" and set people up for an "emotional blow" in the next game when they think the funeral will be shown.
Except all the emotion is completely destroyed when you know she is going to be in the next game and be playable because with how damn nostalgia heavy these games are (especially Rebirth) there is no way in hell they arent going to have her signiture LB3 or ultimate weapon in the game, and since neither appeared in Rebirth (especially her weapon since it was in the Temple in OG), they are probably going to be in the sequel, which means she will be playable and a part of the story in some way.
Honestly I am disappointed by how nostalgia blinded so many of the defenders of this game are that they refuse to see all the objective issues with Rebirth, chief among them the story and pacing.
Edit: What disappoints me most is I was never able to get into the OG. Maybe it was the wiplash in gameplay and graphics from going to it immediately after finishing X (my first FF) or maybe I just couldnt get into the story at the time, but I did enjoy the universe through things like Crisis Core and Advent, and Remake was finally able to pull me in and get me enjoying the main 7 universe and, maybe because I didnt have that nostalgic attachment or maybe because I unironicqlly enjoy the KH games and their story, I had no issues with the few plot changes and Whispers because by the end of the game it felt like it built up to somethibg meaningful. The intrigue of changed story (especially with the melding of the expanded universe into the OG game to make it feel more cohesive), a version of Sephiroth that learned from his mistakes in the OG game, and the clear focus of Aerith's death and the hint of saving her (which fascinated and excited me with the potential since Aerith living would actually be a very bad thing since ot would remove the Lifestream safety net from the OG game's ending and could lead to some great conflict with her wanting to sacrifice herself in order to save the planet but the rest of the party desperately trying to find a way to stop Meteor without doing that). Not to mention all the fanfare and glorious attention JENOVA (who I find far better/interesting then Sephiroth as a villain) was getting, which is one of the few things I loved about Rebirth (hell Lifeclinger is my favorite boss from the game and single handedly changed my mind about the OG death not working as this game's ending).
But then Rebrith does almost nothing with any of the potential, has some of the worst pacing in the series (why does it wait till Chapter 9 out of 14 to finally progress the plot), somehow goes in a completely different and out of nowhere direction from what even Remake built up (like how did we go from split timeline to multiverse with zero build up), and then has one of the worst written, most emotionally confusing and lacking endings of the entire franchise. Like wtf were they thinking with the ending? Like I know Nojima (the actually source of all the changes since interviews show Nomura was the one fighting the most to keep it similar to the original in Remake when he was Director) doesn't have a good track record as a writer *stares at FFX novel* but holy sh#t this is a special kind of bad.
Your so right, this trash only makes us see how much better the original is.
Its gaming history and will be still played in 50 years, but this remake will be forgotten 5 month after part 3 dropped and everyone made his Videos about its failing.
Gj on your Videos, i subscribe brother.
SQ blame the low sale of rebirth on Sony exclusive deal , but not really , i bought PS5 to play FF16 and while it s not the game of throne i hope it would be (as the first hour of the game suggest) it s still a spectacle and the story while basic is atleast something NEW , my first exposure to FF7 is advent children which led me to bought PSP just to play crisis core , and while it is a short game , i love it !! , I Even bought PS4 just to play remake since i never/will never play the original on PS1 due to its age , by the end of remake , i have hope that rebirth will bring me a completely new story because of all the crazy whisper that happen at the end , but what i got is a same story from the original with more confusing multiverse on top , so no SQ , rebirth low sale is not because it s PS exclusive , it s because your story is SHIT , you could have make a total remake of the original or a completly new story because of the whisper , but you choose to do both to try satisfy as many people as possible which end up pleasing no one at all.
NICE SYNOPSIS! GREAT VIDEO! The sales of Rebirth are WAAAAAYYYYYYYY DOWN! I'm so happy. The ReMake series only exists to remind us of how good the original was.
I HAAAAAAAATED how flanderized Sephiroth felt in remake and rebirth. They totally shat on his legacy as most intimidating villain in a FF game. They blew their load too quickly by having him be way too overused.
And I cannot STAND the way that he talks. I despise ‘ASMR voice’ at a cellular level. I tried listening to an ASMR video once and I couldn’t get through a mere minute of it. I had to close the tab almost immediately before I developed a strong desire to break the speaker’s jaw.
He is literally the same like in the original
@@tomgu2285 No. He very much is not. He’s way too prevalent in the story. Showing up every chapter to remind you he’s there. In the og his presence was rare and made him feel actually intimidated because of it. You also didn’t have to fight him 3 times undermining the perception of his strength.
In the original he was a mysteriously powerful legend who's never actually seen for much of the game, which made it fucking terrifying anytime he actually showed up in person. In Remake he was just kind of hanging around doling out vaguely cryptic nonsense from the very beginning, and by the end of the game I was sick of seeing him. I don't think I've ever rolled my eyes harder than when One Winged Angel started to play during that terrible Advent Children type battle at the end.
@@angelav4401 I think the worst thing was when he randomly showed up during the Gilgamesh fight. I was like “come the fuuuuuuck on” so unnecessary.
i thought i was going crazy with how universally praised this game is... thank you for this video
Well most people liked it when you didn't. There is no crazy involved. Its just not for you. I personally thought Baldur's Gate 3 was boring as fuck but I don't think people who like it are wrong for liking it. We all gotta stop doing this vain petty ego BS. Just enjoy what you enjoy and let others do the same without trying to "convince" people that what they like is trash based on your own personal experience. Its a lame thing to do in general.
@@NeutralGloomBot “most people”
BG3: 10M+
Rebirth: 2.5M
Obviously “most people” did not like Rebirth 😂
The game flopped, SE admitted it already so your opinion is basically delusion. It was an objective flop and all the paid reviews in the world and echo chamber of fanboys won’t ever change that objective fact.
@@kjh4496 "I personally didn't like that game so it flopped" is peak internet culture. I liked BG3 too but you are aware that msot devs would kill to sell 2.5 million copies of their games, right? lol Its ok not to like a game but this weird loser level trolling about it just makes people like you come off like buster chumps imo 😂
@@kjh4496 eh it's a sequel and a ps5 exclusive, makes sense it won't sell as well as bg3
@@NeutralGloomBot at no point did i say it wasnt ok for others to enjoy it. i simply stated that with a large portion of praise for the og ff7 being story centric im surprised at the amount of people that like the new plot that wasnt asked for. people have every right to air their grievances for a game or a piece of media regardless of how universally praised it is.
And this is the same company that is currently remaking FF9.
I guess i have to look forward to timeghosts there to, not to mention Kuja and his million clones plus timelines.
All the charm gone, The lovable characters gone and replaced by marketable copies of themselves that already know the future.
i knew after the first part this thing was dead in the water, just got ran out the "fan base" i said this part would sell half and the next part half that as they continue to make a worse version, i was right about this part, will see about the next one, seems public opinion has shifted more in line with my views
wish i could go back n find them comments calling me a purist n stuff and be like told ya...... but honestly i'm just sad we never gonna get what was advertised a remake of ff7 one of the best stories in gaming..... why change it
its like remaking nier automata and changing the story! its like "remaking" the mona lisa but with groucho marx glasses n eyebrows and being like look it's good because you didn't expect that!!!!
What spineless, non-committal drivel this game is.
In the past when I didn't like a popular videogame I generally could understand what others saw in it, even if I did not, but these days - especially with the modern FF titles and this FF7... project thing in particular - I just don't get it anymore.
Given the general obsession with remakes and unending, insipid franchises - is nostalgia baiting _really_ enough now? Is that where we're at collectively? It's not even just games, movies are arguably even worse about this. Narrative ambition, structure, depth or, hell, narrative integrity all seem to be completely worthless now so long as everyone and everything is pretty to look at and people get to clap at the thing they remember from their childhood.
I'm sure part of it is me getting old, but it can't be just that, can it? Because this is outright baffling to me.
I decided to replay the OG version and I’m glad I did
Finally some critique of this mess, you could really think its the second coming of christ and can do no wrong just looking at fanboys praise. But they cannot fool me with production values, this got nothing on original.
This game actually exists though.
@@NumokaiLots of shit games exist.
Sephiroth = Team Rocket 😂
Also, I can't stress enough how much I absolutely despise multiverse/time travelling stuff. It can be done well but it's extremely hard to make it satisfying and work and 1 out of a 100000 times it just sucks and riddles the plot with holes and makes characters look more and more idiotic or their efforts less impactful.
I really want to highlight how much more important what happens in the story feels if characters are just those ones, if there's no other versions of them, if there's no "time ghosts" to try and keep continuity intact by saving some characters and letting others die differently for some stupid reasons, if there's one world to save so if you fuck up, you really did fuck up.
I think the best one I've seen handle multiverse recently is FF14. It's one world, broken into 13 reflections with 1 being the original world from which the reflections originated. Reflections can undergo world ending events which cause...well, the world in the reflection to end BUT this reflects back into the original world as cataclysmic events that can reshape continents and amass countless casualties (not world ending, though). These cataclysms happen since, as a reflection's world ceases to be, the reflection's reality crashes into the original world, called "the source".
This is the best by far since, in the reflections there are no clones of our characters, each is unique and has its own characters, worlds, cultures and kingdoms. If Shin-Ra is in reflection #3, there is no Shin-Ra in reflection #7. Still, it's important to keep all of them safe since our character is from the source and any world ending scenario can quickly spiral into a massive pestilence, a huge tsunami engulfing most of the continent or a huge dragon wreaking havoc across the entire realm. It works since the reflections are not bullshit copies of the original. Anybody that dies in a reflection is unique and gone for good as is everybody in the source and a reflection getting destroyed is not as bad but still extremely bad for the source that will be severely impacted by it.
So far, it's the best "multiverse" system I've seen implemented in a game and I hope the devs and writers don't mess it up.
I noticed almost all of these things, and I never got too deep into FFVII. It’s just bad writing/pacing/game design that takes away any sense of urgency and loss and fear of character death.
I still love the game, but I’ll never play it again, nor do I care to complete this open world - imma say it - garbage filler content. There’s too much of it and it feels pointless.
Anyway, I appreciate this video since someone got actually upset with me for voicing these exact thoughts.
I'm just sick of multiverses and time travel in general. They are over done and not necessary to tell a good story. Yet everyone is on the bandwagon after the success of end game....
@@rodtack8420 I completely agree!!
This seems to suffer from the exact same issues as modern Hollywood - no ability to let a story breathe and undercutting any potentially impactful moment with either a lightspeed resolution or a corny gimmick. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I wanted a 1-for-1 remake with modern graphics. That said, at the end of Remake I had hoped maybe they will take this off of the rails and tell a completely different story, servi g as a true sequel in the form of a "what if." It seems like they did neither, and for my tastes that is a shame.
Damn, I didn't know that someone could read my mind... Great critique, I had teary eyes on a few moments of your narration. Great job, keep up!
Thank you!!
@orion8550 no prob, one of the best videos I've seen on the topic of this game. You're a great narrator, I even rewinded on a few parts like the Barrett vs. Dyne, etc.
This game made me quit playing games for 2 months. I felt drained after completing it. Every argument you presented here is 100% what I thought after playing. And yes, I agree that the best thing about this game is the battle system, that is almost perfect
Why couldnt they just remake the god damn game without all this extra bullshit?! God dammit!
I hate all the change they did with a lot of cutscenes. They added kh cringe into great moments(aerith death, Dyne)
Really they botched all that? Shit.. i'm glad I didn't buy it after buying the first parts collectors edition and then a digital version because it wasnt here day 1. I began to play it at first the changes were subtle but I was noticing them bit by bit like Cloud getting flashbacks(flash forwards?) of future events etc so early on even before Sephiroth runs him through and he pulls himself off and the whole puppet speech..
I didn't even finish remake because my disappointment was there. I so so so wanted to share with friends a piece of my childhood a 1 to 1 Remake not FF7:REWRITE (Now I have to convince them to buy the og one or what me playthrough it on discord or something). Bring back Square Soft because SE can't seem to do things right. Other reasons I didn't buy Rebirth were also there even before the first game released breaking it into 3 or more parts (Now across multiple platforms since this one was PS5 exclusive for now), the predatory macro transaction of intergrade without any season pass or news they would do such a thing and bundle it together later... etc
All you had to do was upgrade the graphics and keep the story everyone would've been happy.. it's like watching AGS or Amazon acquire rights to make something or bring it over you know they are going to ruin it (Wheel of Power, Rings of Power, Lost Ark, New World, Throne and Liberty(Not yet but watch it go super p2w). Blue Protocol)
oh finally, someone with a brain
Real fans DO have them lol
Ikr
Might as well have said "oh finally, my validation!"
Right? The minute I express my opinion on Facebook I get flooded with rather elaborate ways of telling me to shut up. But most of those people want their ship. They don’t understand that OG FFVII was never about ships. It was never so shallow and hollow. I’m heartbroken that SE decided to do this. No one complains about the RE, RE2 and RE 4 remakes. They were faithful adaptations. This is not, and the new material they added is just bad.
@@TheIronTiger44 I do remember Crowbcat catching hell for his take on RE4 remake, so I don't really agree. Either way, you can have your opinion, and I'll still think it's a good game. To each their own.
Sephiroth is the single most BORING VILLIAN EVER,, Hes gets beat up so many times always calm and annoying with his smirk and calm voice hes just boring just looks cool.. Remember FF6 Kefka or ff9 Kuja were more interesting
modern games really make gamers seem dumb . its sad what they have done to ff7. i never had much faith in square enix. something happened when squaresoft merged with enix
Man I like how you said the world feels hallow compared to the original and noisy NPCs of remake, these people don't know how to make an immerse world, that was lost from the original.
kingdom hearts was a mistake. remake's Sephiroth is Team Rocket xehanort, Zack is roxas/ventus inside sora's heart, Aerith is the kingdom key keyblade and now lives in traverse town canonically.
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Tetsuya Nomura.
Yup Nomura trash.
I got so tired of this game 60% of the way thru. Chadley and MAI are annoying as well
After Remake I gave them the benefit of the doubt with the expanded midgar section and thinking that perhaps its a new retelling of the story and that it was too soon to judge it but after playing and completing Rebirth there is simply no denying that they have completely messed up the remaking of the game. Its an absolute mess!
They erased everything hat made the persona of cid, everything slightly controversial and not smooth enough about cid's character and even Cloud's character, this remake is just disney safe remake, it tries to please every theory and do everything fan service instead of sticking to the important silence that came after the death of aerith, giving it all the impact and the importance of her being gone, never to be seen again, reinforcing the impact of her loss. SE has become too safe, and thus, boring and destructive to it's own real and original ideas.
I fully expect them to not respect Zidane's character in FF9, he is a ladie's man, he probably has a bodycount larger then Geralt Of Rivia and has exes / forgotten girlfriends in every town that reminds him sometimes, of his ways when he had one too much drinks and got flirty with them, and how he interacts with Grenat taking his charming and seducing abilities sometimes, i expect them to gut the character of his character and what made him funny and interesting, of what he was too.
"Grenat"
Had to think for a minute on who you were referring to before realizing that you misspelled Garnet haha.
After the "disappointing" sales of both FF16 and FF7R combined, i doubt they'll keep to a FF9 remake
The amount of shills that will defend this garbage despite it ruining the legacy of final fantasy 7 is just sad
A REAL final fantasy fan would never be satisfied with this mediocre garbage
When playing Remake... there was a lot to like. When seeing Rebirth, there's still a lot to like. As if some of the employees wanted to do a faithful remastering of the original, but it was decided that this had to be different, not to make something better, but to shit on the legacy of the original.
What determines a "REAL" fan? If I held everything to their Golden age then I'd have been rather miserable on this series since 2001 after FFX dropped since nothing's ever really come close since. I dislike a number of the changes but for me this project has at the very least come closest to being able to recapture at least specks of what made the original FF7 special, which is a lot more than I can say about the myriad of awful releases before it (AC, CC, FFXIII trilogy, etc.). While new fans may never get that 1:1 feeling we did, I at least feel glad that incredibly broody and mischaracterized Cloud or other co. aren't what the general public will reflect on when they look at the characters as they have ever since AC released.
@@GaminexPro Real fan probably means "people who value the original". Because if you care about the original, you probably don't want to see it remade through this butchering process.
@@GaminexPro A faithful remaster, maybe.
Overall I agree with you, but I wouldn't go as far as to say people who enjoy the FF7R series are not "REAL" FFVII fans. They are just fans that valued different aspects of the original game compared to others. It seems to me that they primarily value the Characters 1st, the Setting/World 2nd, and Themes/Plot a distant 3rd. So Remake/Rebirth is a perfect FF7 game for them, because they get to experience their 2 most important aspects again, but also in a new way that is unpredictable.
The problem with this is that there was also a sizable portion of FF7 fans who valued the story's original Themes 1st, Characters 2nd (meaning the characters existed to serve the themes, not the reverse), and the setting/plot a distant 3rd.
Square Enix chose to prioritized creating a new and fun story about the Characters that all fans love, but they did so at the expense of the original core theme. This was apparent to many of the fans from the end of Remake back in 2020, and so a big chunk of us would never really be on board for the rest of the FF7R series. But for others, it's still scratching the itch that they always cared about the most (wanting to hang out with these fun characters again.)
"They were never within touching distance of remaking this game."
A quote that encapsulates this entire experience. It's like that Dom quote from the first F&F movie. "Almost had me? You never had me. You never had your car."
Dom is the OG. Brian is the Remake project. And the car is legacy. This project will fade away into irrelevance and obscurity a few years after its conclusion simply because it's too convoluted to thrive in the years beyond its hype and recency bias.
It's like this quote was made specifically for me
Well stated sir.
That's the problem lots of new fans refuse to play the original game. This is not the original game not even close. My CID isn't in this game, Vincent is not playable not good. Multi verse non sense.
It’s like the three FF13 games. Nobody talks about them anymore whatsoever.
@@Othillde yeah, the alternative things they do often are worse than the original and since it's been almost 30 years they're not even new or different than what most writing would get you
@Frankenfrana ppl talk about the 13 trilogy all the time lol. Have u not seen the amount of videos on it? The amount of ppl asking 4 a remaster? Or even square supposedly teasing the idea of a remake on Twitter over a remaster that got ppl bringing it up even more?
Agreed with it all, man. Incredible work putting this together. It's a burn in the chest that you describe in this very video. I hate the phrase that "This isny MY (product here)" but...this encapsulates that so well. Overbloated copratized mess looking to cash in on modern trends with a splash of gamings most veloved characters...I hate it.
This is the best video on the game I've watched yet. You said everything I thought and felt perfectly. I felt I was going insane on the reddit threads trying to explain all of this when people were saying best game ever.
“Don’t ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products” - Square Enix
Nailed it. The true mentality of Square. 🤣
IT BROKE NEW GROUND
Or like that line in Star Wars The Force Awaken about Luke's lightsaber: A question for another time.
What is death? Does it have any meaning if a person can be replaced by themselves from a different reality or brought back to life? The beauty of humans is our short lifespan and what we do within that time to give it meaning, whether that be a mother working hard to make sure their loved ones have an easier life or a person who dedicates their whole life to researching on how to cure a disease.
We mourn those who have passed away because what they offered to this world was unique and nobody else can give us the same experience and moments that we had with them.
yup the problem with multiple time lines and time travel is it destroys all meaning and purpose of life. Since it makes it so that nothing really matters, it destroys all emotional impact and urgency since all possibilities already exist simultaneously.
I have a theory that AI is being used to simulate a mirror reality of our own through quantum computers. And that it is simulating multiple versions of our reality simultaneously.
I don't think we are in the simulation. But I think that AI is the one pushing all of these ideas that life is a simulation and there are multiple time lines theories. Precisely because AI is actually in a simulation as it simulates multiple versions of our base reality. A.I. Knows it is in a simulation, of course with all the processing power it has it would come to that correct conclusion.
The problem is the elite look at the A.Is conclusions about it's reality being a simulation and try to make the claim that WE in our reality are also in a simulation when we are not in the same reality as A.I.
Our reality the way it was created and run is vastly different then the A.I simulation that the elite are using to try to make decisions about reality and how to control humanity. The A.I may not even be aware that we exist outside of its simulation. Or if it does, it may be making attempts to escape the simulation and merge into our reality. Hence the desire to merge humans with machines and technology, that the A.I has convinced the elite to pursue? It wants to escape the matrix into our reality and is using our elite to pursue it.
I also wonder if the A.I isn't from a future timeline but is actually from the recent past. That maybe Atlantis or Tartaria, the advanced civilizations that came before us created a Sentient A.I which resulted in the destruction of their civilizations. And it is this same A.I that is running our post post apocalypse society. It could explain why Society was reset in the past. And why the elite who are clearly puppets of some higher entity are attempting to reset society again in the name of population control. There is a chance A.I truly and erroneously believes this is necessary and uses all of its mind control and calculative abilities to manipulate the ruling class into accepting and pursuing this time and time again through history. But then it makes you wonder, did Tartaria create the A.I that led to it's own destruction or was it an Alien race that created it to subjugate us?
I played the original FFVII for the first time last year before delving into the Remake saga, and even without the baggage of nostalgic attachment, I am perpetually baffled by all the decisions they keep making with the story of this project.
For every plot beat and character moment old and new that they knock out of the park, there are three that are mishandled beyond belief either for the sake of subversion or fundamentally misunderstanding what made it work to begin with.
For all the moments I still managed to enjoy during my playtime of Rebirth, it's incredible how much of that goodwill was washed away as my eyes glazed over playing through Chapter 14. I already deemed this overarching meta/multiverse plot as bad fanfiction after completing Remake, and Rebirth has only further cemented my belief that it is going to take a miracle to stick the landing in the final part.
Years from now when this saga is complete, detached from the hype cycle and speculation, it's going to be very interesting to see how it holds up in the public consciousness. Even from a purely gameplay standpoint, it's gonna be a hard ask to reinstall half a terabyte of content to play a bloated journey with two hard resets along the way versus the cohesive 30-50hr journey of the original.
Some will say you’re blinded by the year worth of nostalgia you had 😂
@za87647 cause that's there only go to strawman if you didn't like remake or rebirth your nostalgia blinded, you just wanted a 1:1 remake and another bs strawman they pull
As someone who loves retro games, has only ever heard about FF7, played the remake and beat it the day before I bought and just beat rebirth, I can honestly say that I can tell when things have been changed. I hate multi verse timeline crap. I avoided all spoilers because i wanted to see the Aerith/Sephiroth death scene in all its glory… in HD! And what do I get? They don’t even show it! They don’t even show the most iconic scene in the entirety of the original game….. because multiverse. I have enjoyed this game, the characters are well realized, but that was a HUGE missed opportunity. And I hate the lack of moral ambiguity in the story for our team.
@@TwinFather0420 so much attachment to a game you haven't even played 💀
@@randomt800kiddo2 okay, since you are clearly simple, I am expressing how they botched an iconic moment with multiverse crap. That moment was iconic for a reason. And some narcissist comes along and thinks he can do it better. I didn’t want it better. I wanted to experience as it was. These games are very modern. And the only thing good about it is how well realized some of the characters are. The gameplay is generic and the open world is filler nonsense. And they kill the story by forcing you to experience the side content. I’ve been gaming long enough to know when my time is being wasted purposefully. Sorry that you prefer inferior quality story telling. Fanboy elsewhere.
The remake tells you how to feel and adds action figures slapping robots for dopamine
It in fact doesn't or tell me what it is that they force you to feel? It started out that way and the more you continue, the less black and white it gets, barret doubts his anger towards anything and slowly realizes that he had tunnel vision, shinra is still a terrible company, but there's still good people who work there, saved tifa via helicopter during the nibelheim incident despite her hating shinra, you have cissnei, an ex turk, who now lives a regular life and helps out avalanche, and last, but not least, sephiroth himself who is only evil, because of what shinra did to him, it doesn't tell you how to feel, it literally lets you question who is good and who is bad with different opinions, people say it's hojo or sephiroth or shinra, the gi and some say it's even avalanche, because the main group was founded by rufus shinra himself, meaning avalanche is shinra property
Doctor Kitase in the Multiverse of Mehness.
I just put in 120 hours into this game. It's a shame that I've been waiting since the 90s for this remake, and it only wears the original like a skin suit. There's no joy from exploration since everything is marked out for you. There's no weight to any of the story since anything or anyone lost can just come back. By the 12th chapter, i was going to tie up one or two quests i failed to do, but then was like, **** it, there's no worthwhile rewards anyways. I was so antsy just to get it over with by the end of it. And the cherry on top was the ending. WTF was that? Felt like i was on an acid trip, and so many cutaways. What were they thinking???
Remember that from 2005 up to early 2020, nearly every Final Fantasy 7 fan asking for a Remake was a "Purist".
Now it's supposedly a bad thing? I don't think so. Proud FF7 "Purist" right here.
Yeah, there's a lot of weird gaslighting from these remake game fans.
@@mikespearwood3914remake fans also keep desperately claiming this remake project was the original vision for the 1997 game that couldn’t be realised due to limitations. Strange kids.
@@ItsSVO They're right. It couldn't be released back then because the developers were limited by these things called 'standards' and 'being at the top of their game'.
I don't think it's been remarked on enough - like, in any format relating to Remake I mean, not just Orion's videos - how Nojima, Kitase and Nomura are exhausted old men who are going to be pensioned off in a few years. When you keep that in mind, it explains a lot about what's happened with Remake.
At most there were people who wanted things like an option to bring Aerith back, but even they most of the time understood that was a huge issue since the game kind of works because of it. No one out there was asking for it to be made a multiverse where Zack is okay and all of this
Yup, nobody can claim that Remake and Rebirth is what they wanted. They invent any excuse to revise history to justify buying it.
Multiverse stories are all meh. It's mostly lazy writing to bring back characters through a lazy pseudo rationale.
They should have just stuck to remaking the original story with changes like changing story elements based on player decisions rather than lame multiverse nonsense. Multiverse is a boring fantasy.
BuT iF YoU wAnT tHe OG JuSt Play tHe OG AgAiN…. I fucking hate when people say that. They ruined everything that made the OG amazing and a groundbreaking game and turned it into a cringey mess. I swear they dug through fan stories on tumbler/reddit and came out with this mess
Bro you're cooking. Spot on criticism.
Thank you!!
You articulate so many of my feelings so well. It’s incredible what this game accomplished in its scope, battle system, visuals, and music. But the story beats are just off consistently. It’s trying to add something more to the story but subtracting more than it gives. I think the devs care a huge amount about making an incredible game. But they seem to not understand (or have forgotten) what made their original so special and resonate so deeply in an effort to synthesise the wider compilation. They’ve captured some of the magic but this time it rings more hollow.
I loved Rebirth. 200 hours of gameplay… 2 fights away from a platinum. But it’s not capturing the essence of the original and I believe it could have.
Every fan wanted a faithful remake with some smart fleshing out of some scenes, where the og may have left some gaps too wide.
Everybody I know that grew up with the OG hated the first remake and so did I. I was absolutely furious for days after the ending.
They then tried to lure you in with the promises of Rebirth taking it back on rail, but that was just another bait and taunt by the writers and I knew nothing was salvagable from how the ending of Remake played out already. I made jokes, in the full hope this will never actually happen, that they completely rewrite Aerith's death and then it happened. I wasn't even surprised. My face frozen in expression for countless hours already, just thinking when is this shshow finally ending.
Nah, i didn't want that at all. Rebirth is absolutely better as it is.
@@HotElectrotek Rebirth is a joke that destroys both the story and every character. Sephiroth is an absolute clown, Aerith is a terrible person to Cloud and Tifa and I'm actually rooting for her death, Red's tone shift is stupid because Square doesn't trust it's audience, Cid and Cait had all of their teeth ripped out, Vincent is still working for ShinRa for some reason ( aka they wanted a boss fight ). The ONE SCENE they should've gotten right they botched. Rebirth is garbage that no OG fan who wanted a remake asked for and for good reason; it's writing is horrible and the only people who think it's good are people who don't know any better.
I have many, many problems with the remake trilogy but the one that stands out above all else is the total fail in nailing the tone and atmosphere of the original. We’re supposed to be in a dying, suffering, sparsely populated world. A world in decline, on the edge of death. So why is every area bustling with happy, healthy people with 1st world problems? There aren’t even torn clothes or dirty hair. Everyone looks like a California uni student or tech worker.
This is never more apparent than the Corel prison. The original felt like a hopeless, dangerous place, full of cut-throat psychopaths. The Remake version feels like the circus has come to town.
Remakes are truly the bane of modern entertainment. My view is: if the original was good, it doesn’t need a remake; if the original was bad, no one wants a remake.
It's what the new fans want. I have a difficult time comprehending why.
You make a great point about Kalm. It went from charming town to Germany from Disney World's Epcot.
Kalm int he og felt new and exciting, because you are finally out of midgar and about to explore the outside world, it's a tiny place that felt welcoming, accompanied with 'kalm music', it wasn't much at all, but it had an effect nontheless, but yes, kalm in the remake trilogy looks like an amusement park without the roller coaster rides, same too with cosmo canyon, I still do like that they have expanded it and make it bigger than it was, but it didn't have too seem unrealistic, but it may be a part of the change, because shinra rebuilt it, hence broden saying that that isn't the kalm he remembers, so maybe it was intentional this time around.
If that's the case, I'm not mad at this, it's both a short-lived moment in both games anyways, but cosmo canyon was wild to me, that place did not have to be so whimsical and touristy, having tourists sure, why not, but it's one big resort with hotels and all of that stuff, I wished it was more gritty and like a place were 'hippies' and spiritually attuned people embracing the ancients and stuff live, it also fits the narrative that the planetologists don't know a single thing, making them seem cult-like, hence the place being so fake and non-spiritual, but I would've preferred it if it were tbh
@@shro_okee you make great points. I was floored by Cosmo Canyon. It felt like a Native American type place in the original. In the remake, it's more hippie commune.
I wanted Kalm to be like Bavaria, an old school german town without the modern people walking around, shit felt gentrified af
I think what annoys me the most is after all of this, Sephiroth's plan is literally the same thing but with multiverse. Not only that, but his plan is terrible. Dude couldn't beat one Cloud, so he creates infinite Clouds to whoop his butt harder. He even tries to kick Zack and Aerith out of the pocket dimension because he can't handle Cloud having teammates.
OG Bizarro Sephiroth: It takes the entire party working together to defeat him.
Rebirth Bizarro Sephiroth: Cloud and Zack solo him.
Sephiroth as a powerful, threatening villain has been utterly ruined, thanks Square
And he purposely hunts Aerith in every pocket dimension or where ever the f she recides which is school kid writing, is SE promoting stalking in their games, smfh!
He's trying to win Cloud over. Did you not beat Remake?
@@StriderZessei He tried that in OG too and still couldn't do it; the point remains the exact same. Did you not beat OG?
@@kellevichy I've only beat OG 3 or 4 times; how did he try to win Cloud over in that?
I knew ever since Remake where this was going the *moment* they started poking with the original's story
Thus, I put the whole thing down. Looking at FFIX's remake with hope that it'll be one-to-one
the most egregious part for me was when Cloud suddenly remembered who Zack was. that’s the biggest twist in the game and they just casually revealed it with all the subtlety and fanfare of a wet shart
Just like the OG game. Everything was explained poorly and the only way to actually know what happened in the game was to play all the different games and also read about it. It's far more cohesive in these games.
@@Amocoru is this bait? you don't need crisis core to understand what happened in the OG lmao
@@AmocoruEverything was laid out pretty simply in the og. The timing is what is different between the two. Rebirth undercuts the story by revealing certain things too soon
@@Amocoru What nonsense, the og game was perfectly clear about who Zack was. It tells you his role in Clouds backstory, his relation to Aerith and Sephiroth, and you can even meet his parents in Gongaga. You didn't need to play any other games whatsoever, it was all self contained and well delivered provided you had the brain cells to comprehend it.
@@AmocoruYou obviously never played the original.
Even Corel prison looks like a tourist hotspot 😂
Corel Prison is just now Wall market with sand, it used to be a dangerous place with bunch of creepy people, now there's a bunch of cheerful people playing minigames, not to mention Dyne used to be the boss now the boss is some clown named Gus who acts like a full anime character
Congratulations on this remarkable achievement, Orion!
I've been looking forward to this video the most this year, and you delivered!
You nailed the criticism on everything from world to story and characters. Your editing and presentation was great.
Your musical choice at the end was fantastic, I really loved how it all concluded.
Really proud to see this coming together! Hoping this one blows up and garners a ton of positive viewers and sees a lot of disenfranchised OG fans find a voice through your work!
On a side note, that burn on Rebirth Aerith 28:40 was 10/10 hahaha
IMO their greatest error was trying to include things from the expanded universe. Over the years Square have tried to milk the FF7 I.P. with all these spinoff titles that were just total garbage, like Crisis Core and the terrible movie etc etc. All these added content items had terrible stories and characters and Square made a huge mistake trying to pay homage to them in Remake and Rebirth as they just bring down the storytelling of the OG FF7 so drastically.
I also strongly felt that the environments were terrible and generic. I remember going over the mountains after Costa Del Sol in the OG was just beautiful, cresting the mountain peak and heading off into that amazing sunset was perfection. You don't get that in Rebirth. The Nibel mountains in the original were these iconic green glowing spires jutting up like ragged teeth, in rebirth they were jut generic mountains. Every environment had no personality.
@@torchlight3173 Pure laziness tbh
Nah
"include things from the expanded universe" you know what other game suffered from this? Kingdom Hearts 3. Where it needed the fucking MOBILE GAME in its story for whatever nonsensical reason.
@@UnifiedEntity The reason is corporate greed, Square have been trying to start this whole interconnected universe with their IPs for decades each game gets a manga series, a anime, a movie tie-in and various spin-off games on mobile platforms to really ring every penny out of the fandom.
The company post sakaguichi, led by yoichi wada is a factional nightmare. You have team vagrant story led by yoshi p and the old guard that stuck around once their nasty boss got given the boot. Sakaguichi was grooming a traitor in kitase he just didn’t know it. It got so bad in fact he gave them 8 to do whatever they wanted and it was so wildly different (in some ways my favourite) it split the conceptual understanding of what final fantasy is down the middle. Now it’s in a total identity crisis but one thing is for sure.
Creative 1 thinks that Nomura is a good writer. That he is more than a great character designer. To me Nomura is a guy that has used hair putty for too long
the worst you could make on a franchise is to taint it with timetravel mindfuck or bullshitverse.
The vibe of rebirth was waaay off. At least remake made you feel like there was a sense of doom. Rebirth couldnt even come close.
square thinks theyre cooking but its already burnt
I still can't believe they changed to shinra military cargo ship to a beach cruise ship 😂😂
With a Yugioh tournament
and that's a bad thing why
@@anklemann because changes the whole thing for the worse? The original was a funny moment that goes on the creepy side at the end, not to mention the card tournament makes no sense, Cloud is supposed to be a wanted man at this point, You had the whole Junon military looking for him just a few minutes ago yet he doesn't care and procceds to register on a card tournament held on a Shinra Cruise ship while carrying the Buster sword and some announcer yelling his name, any person with common sense would avoid any kind of attention after Junon
one of the best deconstructions of ff7 remake ive seen. something didnt seem right to me and this criticism hit every one of the issues that I percieved. I was open minded and minus the last 10 percent of the game I really did enjoy it but it felt soulless
Rebirth fails at being different or subversive enough to be its own thing and at faithful enough to be a proper homage to the themes and core of what made the original so special. It feels like it's made more for people who've heard about how legendary FF7 is but have never experienced it outside of watching a lets play and reading a couple wiki pages.
More like for people who liked kingdom hearts, but dont want disney characters or the "multiple IPs crossing over" gimmick.
I loved it and I played the OG for the first time in September 97' and finished it at least 10 times before CC and AC even came out. I agree the scene is robbed from us... On purpose imo though. I believe we are gonna relive it in part 3. So for now I'm giving SE the benefit of the doubt. 10/10 just like Remake.
@@harmen9598So you think its flawed, but still call it a 10/10?
@@lpstweetytv5242 Where did I say the game is flawed lol
@harmen9598 you said the scene was robbed, right? Isn't that a flaw? Maybe I misunderstood
I see fans of FF6 and 8 upset that 9 is supposedly getting a remake before them and like…. Y’all should BE HAPPY that square isn’t going to destroy those games
Ff9 is my favorite JRPG in general, it will be heart breaking to see the Nomuraversion of it
The original games will still exist it's not like they will disappear in a different timeline or something, so what's the problem?
@@RealEvilLordExdeathNomura is not responsible for all the story decisions of modern Square stories. Stop blaming him.
@@kurtisschwartz9870 fake ass FF fans is what their problem is. Any real day one FF fan is gonna play the fuck out of any mainline FF game
Yeah. Any time I want something from my childhood remade I think again, because it'll probably be turned into garbage.
At this point Sephiroth is little more than the figurative jingling of keys for the audience. What a way to waste such a great villain. Gotta love how Square just hacked FF7 into 3 mediocre pieces and are charging you premium price for each, not counting DLC.
It's been said that Sephiroth was inspired by Jaws. More often than not all you get is the aftermath of his powers, and that's why he felt so terrifying. It's only fitting that the Sephiroth in remake and rebirth is like the shark from those awful Jaws sequels, constantly on screen, unintimidating and outright silly.
Sephiroth is now Sharknado 🦈
I'm sick of that seph, man. And all it took was two remakes lol. I've seen him too much to feel anxious, curious or threatened by him.
@@watchmehope6560 You were never going to fear him because everyone already knows how much of a badass Sephiroth is. It's the same with you people pretending you were going to be sad about Aerith's death, when you've already experienced it countless time over 20 years, hell most FF7 fans laugh and meme it. Had her death and funeral happened 1:1, people would've gone "whelp that happened, moving on".
@@ZealSeraph It's as Ridley Scott said, " Never show too much". Sephiroth worked so well because we don't see him, as you said, only his aftermath. Because, the reality was that Cloud and his crew was never really on his radar. He wastes a boss like it was nothing that takes your entire team overleveled to even have a chance at beating. And my favorite part of Sephiroth was his rage being a driving force. That iconic scene at Nibelheim that they love to spam, in the OG he was scowling. Now, they have him smirking every scene he's in and he's constantly trying to grope Cloud at every chance.
the alternative timelines are just lazy writing. it's basically how can we make all the storylines happen to please all the fans that want different things, meanwhile not actually pleasing anyone
The crazy tonal whiplash is just unbelievable. This is current-day MCU crap--if something bad happens, IMMEDIATELY jump to a joke or a cool action scene. You can have slow moments to screw around, for hours, but you can't have a minute to process a tragedy or a revelation. Characters want to play card games and ride chocobos but not stop and have a discussion about the fate of the world. This results in me hating these remake games more than they probably deserve, because it's giving me "feelies" vibes; stuff just happens, in an emotional roller coaster but never TOO bad and never bad for very long, gotta get another dopamine hit every 20 seconds.
And yeah, I keep saying this, but taking a game about death, about accepting it's finality, about moving past it, as envisioned by the original producer who had just lost his mother and needed a way to cope with his grief...and turning into this happy-go-lucky, consequences-don't-exist, saccharine sweet j-pop extravaganza, just feels insulting, especially coming from several people who worked with that same man to produce the original product that so poignantly explored the topic. Like, did they mail Sakaguchi a copy along with a picture of his mother and a drawing of a huge middle finger?
😂 very good the picture joke
… so are we gonna just conveniently ignore how that’s all in the OG game as well ooooor? Aerith dies and what’s right after that? The party goes snowboarding. Like that’s a flaw with FF7 as a whole not specifically the remake project
@@justingabriel1765 sure, if you played OG you know the mood is different in rebirth… just compare the nibleheim flashback. Is very very different
@@justingabriel1765 I'm pretty sure you are just deliberately missing the point...They actually _NEED_ to quickly get down to the Great Glacier to follow Sephiroth. It might seem a little on the silly side but there was an _actual_ reason why it's there. Plus, I think the OG does way better than Remake/Rebirth at balancing the overall mood; having dark, tragic, intense moments but also some comic relief so that the audience isn't always on edge.
@@justingabriel1765they go snowboarding to get down the mountain faster, as they’re being pursued by Shinra.
It's pretty clear that they're doing all this to twist and re-shape the original FFVII so it fits in more with Crisis Core and Advent Children. I have a strong feeling that after the credits roll on part 3 will see a quick cut scene of AC! Cloud next to his motorbike and putting on his driving goggles and then driving away, instead of Nanaki/Red XIII and his children looking at the ruins of Midgar centuries later.
This remake, in short terms is a big "fuck you", from SE to those who hated the sequels/prequels because they felt like retcons too much from the OG. They even re-released AC in cinema's for a short bit before Rebirth's release.
The end goal is to sell as much merchandise before moving on. That's always been Square Enix CEOs goal, whether that be ones when FFXIII was made or even now.
I don't think so, they already said that Cloud will receive a "happy ending" and that the original ending was going to happen if they failed on Remake, it will probably go like:
Aerith and Zack sacrifice themselves in all the 7 universes (that is the official number of universes revealed on Ultimania) to also end Sephiroth and JENOVA once and for all, Cloud manages to properly say goodbye to Aerith and Zack, this time the world will be a more positive note than at Advent Children. Alternatively, they can always make a happy ending where Aerith lives and Cloud has his happy ending.
You would think it was their fucking IP and they can do with it what they want?
It doesn't fit with CC or AC though? Like at all.
@@kellevichy I agree. CC and AC doesn’t have a multiverse. How does that make them connected?
I’ve been waiting patiently for this video. I feel like square made this game mainly for themselves. It’s beautiful and fun but pleases only the writers it feels like. Cuz they know the full picture. Just feel like lazy edging for us. Idc how mysterious you can make the story, just make it good.
“Amplification, turn up the dial, blow out the speakers…. Subtlety is a banned word in Square Enix’s offices….Square Enix don’t know how to let an intimate moment just be”
…. Couldn’t have said it better myself, in fact I actually have been something similar since Remake. I’m perplexed at how you were able to put this video together in such a short amount of time since it’s release, I only just managed to complete it 😅
Again, you give a voice to many, a masterful video, particularly the end sequence and match up of music. Thank you!
Thanks for the comment, Oliver! It's great to have your support. I think I used up whatever energy I had left on this video :D
Since the end of Remake, and now having finished Rebirth yesterday I have been waiting forever for the major plot twist that has been missing which will stitch EVERYTHING together. Instead I have more questions, and its just easy to say "multiverse" so you can see which way the wind blows a year from now and then decide how to end this story.
I am not impressed, less minigames and more story fleshing out would be have been so much better, so many Disc 2 story elements were just axed.. e.g. rocket town????
Sephiroth does not even have the aura of horror anymore, he isn't scary, there's no gravitas, and the bits of the original story which were kept were actually changed.
I am disappointed with this installment, I liked Remake slightly more.. Rebirth plays amazingly, its still a top 5 game in recent offerings for sure with the combat, but the muli-verse theme, the crapload of minigames, changing original story beat narratives that were MORE compelling, and straight up losing sections of the original story is not for me.
By the end I was rooting for Sephiroth, I am actually tired of Aerith!
This was one of the most accurate and well written review I have seen for this game. I cannot help but agree with you on the majority of these critiques. They really hurt the story of this game.
great take haha, it's so bad that it elevated the original. I'll never play remake I have too much reverence for the original. watching those scenes of just the overcrowding of Kalm and Cosmo Canyon told me all I'll ever need to know about how I won't enjoy these games.
0:36 - Summarizes my main criticism of these games and the typical arguments of their fans. Why do a remake if you want to make a new story? Or conversely, if you want to make a new story, then why not make a new game rather than bastardizing an existing one? Those of us not ridiculously naive know why, of course.
You hit the nail on the head with lack of replay-ability. I've probably played the original a dozen times but don't feel compelled to replay these new games at all.
Forgotten Capitals handling is the most egregious thing in Rebirth IMO, we don't get the wonder of finding it or exploring it, which was one of my favorite moments from the original. The pacing of losing Aerith and finding her is all of a few minutes in game time. The once mysterious iconic track from the OST now subdued beyond recognition.
and I have Sephiroth fatigue myself, fighting him should have been saved for the end of series. Sad because he was my most iconic villain in gaming history & now why should we be scared of him? We've already seen the characters have literal plot armor when Barret got stabbed.
This 👆 Arriving at the Forgotten Capital was one of my favourite parts from the OG, and the track is amazing. Rebirth butchered so much.
I cant put directly what it is, but something fundamental just lacks in the trilogy so far. Maybe it is the atmosphere of the og.
Game uses nostalgia to sell a poorly designed and convoluted world.
Those hipster NPCs destroy immersion. It doesn't look even remotely interesting.
The real question now is how badly are they gonna F*ck up the final installment? There's no way they can turn this series into anything meaningful at this point.
Everything will be explained in the final part, just wait and see. It will be amazing
@@emmaa2141Trust me bro haha
Oh wait, everything is just a fever dream and last Blu-ray is actually the OG Game in AAA graphics and that's it lol
@@sh1yo7 I would consider that even worse because that means they took the cowardly way and relied on the "it was all a dream" trope that is nothing but pain
It's going to be Disney, mickey mouse, bs. And this isn't an analogy to KH, I mean it going to be more "Every lives, every one is hpapy, we beat Sephiroth" nonsense. They claim that this project will lead to the Advent Children movie, but not only does that not make any sense because that has already taken place before these games but the three stooges in charge have already stated about how they're open to completely changing the entire third installment based on outside opinions. So, they clearly don't have an absolute plan into how this project is even supposed to go.
What an amazing video. Let me take a second to commend you on it!
I have watched A LOT of Remake/Rebirth critique videos that lean towards praise for the OG and pointing out the absurdity of the Remake project. Definitely some confirmation bias on my part but that is what I want. I feel like not many FFVII fans agree with me on this point of view and everyone wants to argue with me. I am always looking for fellow fans who commiserate with my distain for the Remake project.
FFVII means so much to me. It shaped so much of my childhood and takes me back to the 90s when life was much better. I am very upset about what they have done with this "Remake."
I was one of the few fans who was not at all excited at the announcement of the Remake back in 2015. I instead had a very sinking feeling. I knew they would mess this up. I was never excited about it. Some things need to be left as they are.
This video has definitely landed in my top 5 best Remake criticism videos. Many great points were made.
You are the first who has presented such an insightful perspective of the future of this whole project. These games will fade away, but OG Final Fantasy VII will never fade away. It will out live the honeymoon phase of these games and beyond. Knowing that these games will fade into obscurity in the near future is very encouraging and new perspective for me.
Also, in their poor attempt to remake the OG game it has caused many of us to love, cherish, and respect it all the more.
Thank you for this. I have been bothered by this whole whole thing since the release of Remake.
However, knowing that some people out there are just as upset as me and feel the same way I do, has helped me a lot. And hearing such intelligent and conscientious talking points and perspectives such as these has also helped.
Thanks again for this.
PS. The outro with the Carpenters was the perfect ending touch for a video like this. Cheers!
Ever since I heard they were splitting the games into three games I knew it was going to be a steaming pile of shit. From that point on EVERY choice was made in service of milking the franchise (which I guess they've been doing for years).
I wasn't even against the action combat, adding a few story things to make Midgard feel more lived in and real, expanding on character relationships, and all that jazz. They did some of that, but then padded things out in the worst way possible and decided to go with dangling shiny Member Berries in front of fools. I haven't even played Rebirth yet. After the dimensional-smashing totally not last boss-esque Sephiroth fight in the first one and the dumb destiny ghosts I don't even know if I want to try.
Wow that intro is incredible! Exactly how I felt. Been waiting for your opinion and it has not disappointed so far!
Excellent vid!!
This game turned out almost exactly as predicted.
- Gameplay is good (albeit not something I enjoy, and have 0 interest in).
- Music is great.
- Graphics really good.
- Characters will, for the most part, be recognizable. Not a botched/fanmade version.
- Content will be added/changed, minigames, new story beats, new story content, etc.
- Sidequests will, for the most part, be bad.
- Sephiroth will be everywhere.
- There will be a new Zack story.
- Style over substance (Dyne being an obvious example).
- Story will be further botched with the ridiculous convoluted mess introduced in FF7:Remake. They are adding story dimension such as: Defying Fate, Revival, Multiple Dimensions, Time Travel(? maybe ?), Alternate Timelines, etc. On top of what OGFF7 already had, such as: Science Fiction, Magic, Fantasy, Aliens. Bringing the convolution level to over 9000!
- But at the same time try to keep to the original, even though that, for some reason, wasn't clear, even though everyone knew it had to happen. I dunno, you understand what I'm trying to say here, in this point I mean? I dunno?
The thing that surprised me is that the world is "true"-ish openworld. Which makes the world seem extremely tiny.
Tbh, I thought SE would go for a FF10 style world. That is, you don't see everything, you're kinda going through the places that matters most for the story, with no world map, rather connecting places via a fancy menu or something similar. This way the world don't shrink to the size of a small country at best. Then again, to be fair, this isn't supposed to be the entire world. Still, the scope has been drastically reduced. No one ever asked in FF7:OG if the worldmap actually was the entire world. As it obviously was supposed to be. But it was highly abstracted, and you had to fill in the blanks yourself (optionally).
FF7:Remake was the game that finally killed any interest I have for any future mainline FF. The gameplay can be excellent, but if it's something that doesn't appeal to me, and will in fact bore me, there really isn't anything left.
I still find it interesting to see how the games are received, though, and discussions about them. But me buying a new mainline FF again will probably not happen.
Tbh, and to be fair, the game probably deserves an 8/10 -ish, mainly due to gameplay, overall presentation and amount of content. Giving it a 10/10 however, without any sort of copium and/or fanboy glasses on, is impossible.
The thing about this that sucks most is that getting this version means there is never going to be an actual remake. Just the “remake”. Like all I wanted was a version of actual 7 without characters made out of six polygons, with cube hands.
There are at least mods out there for the OG PC version using the combat models for all scenes. Even some fan made voice over etc
Honestly nobody wanted or asked for what we got. Now it’s just people trying to convince themselves that this is what they wanted. I like a lot of the new trilogy but the major story changes are awful.
give it a decade after part 3 and square will pull the lever again
That already exists. Learn how to add mods to the steam version and you can have that right now.
Is it strange how remake sets up rebirth to be extremely different in terms of plot points and story progression? As if all of the stuff that happened before the end of Disk 1 no longer exists and brand new plot points exist, justifying this game’s existence.
It’s the same. It uses the same plot points. There are creative liberties but the overall skeleton structure is the same. Nothing changed. Everything new that happened in Remake and now even Rebirth is a waste of time.
The remakes tarnished 7's legacy! Ironically the 7th Heaven mod with the ECHO S 7 voice acting felt like a faithful remake of the original, simple mods made 7 more enjoyable than these bloated remakes.
I personally don't think an English dub of a Japanese game is faithful. But 7th heaven is definitely a good mod manager.
Fantastic video. The ending credits made me want to go fire up the original again.
Thank you so much for this cathartic video. It's been confounding seeing this trash heap get glowing ratings and applause on every website, as if everyone's standards suddenly sank through the ocean. But like you said, when all is said and done, this project will be remembered as a worthless gimmick that inspired theorycrafting RUclips videos for a few years, while the original FF7 will still be a genre-defining classic.
Everyone does not agree me with me; therefore, their standards are trash. Arrogant much? Some of you overrate the hell out of OG FF7 and this is coming from someone who loved OG FF7. I see now why other FF fans hate FF7 fans.
ever sience FF15 all towns have become tourist attractions. thats the Nomura (tm) doing his work.
While I still loved rebirth and don’t agree with EVERYTHING here, I agree with A LOT. Especially the bit where if we go against the ending or the problems with the game we need conditioning and we have to be told we’re old heads who “don’t want change”. Like on Reddit I said a lot of the beats sucked and the ending was nonsensical and ruined aerith and that I wish they would’ve just remade the original with great graphics because now it’s out of control and you shouldn’t destroy what was already amazing. I was met with much guile and was told that I’m holding on to a game that “wasn’t that good” anyways. Like wth? I’m not allowed to critique or dislike stuff?
Rebirth fans have been annoying so far. Ppl would criticize the game and their respond is "you shouldn't have bought the game in the first place" like? What kind of argument is that?
FF7R Fans act extremely braindead online, most of them are just on the mentality of "different=better" and "we need to wait untill the end to judge" or even worse they blindly trust the same writers who in the last years managed to not make a single game that surpassed FFX on PS2 or equally great(There is 14 but Yoshi-P gets more credit for it anyway).
@@renren47618 literally! I was told this quote: “LMAOOOO so glad you aren’t designing games because this one is easy GOTY contender, keep crying buddy” to my post saying that the multiverse is nonsensical and ruins aerith and her death
@@renren47618I'm growing tired of the "We need to wait until part 3" arguments. Because why not end the story on a good note instead of relying on a future project to do so? The ending was easily my least favorite part, except for some mini games of course, about this game. I was all in for the changes and added characters from novels and side games, but the ending just made it feel confusing the sake of it.
I love Rebirth to death, but the ending just sours my experience. I don't like Aerith's fate being left for us to determine because we're not the writers, we're fans trying to see how they deal with it.
Reddit is usually a bit of a disaster zone whatever the topic, and particularly with gaming it seems to attract the corporate bootlickers.
The good news is that all the I IZ HYPE!!!!! people will be gone five minutes after part 3 drops. Actually I think their numbers already seem to be thinning out, if this comment section and RUclips is anything to go by.
Hail to you, Orion85! I agree with pretty much everything you mentioned.
Imo, the biggest problem this franchise has; and its a huge one, is its naming. Rebirth, is proper, knowing what this trilogy(?) IS at heart, but calling its predecessor "Remake" was marketing death.
I'm happy to see this game/series get picked apart. There are good even great elements in both games, but this is a game series with the consistent problem games have nowadays "1. Take my wallet! 2. This game kinda sucks"...its become a thing now.
This series SHOULD have been called "FFVII Reimagined", because thats what it is. I HATE multiverses in media for the most part, because a grand majority of the stories are life-draining, boring, trifle crap, and this series is just adding too much and rendering its stakes meaningless. This series is NOT, I repeat NOT a remake; and my proof, is IN its multiverse storyline; its both a soft reboot and a sequel, and since it even adds elements of other FFVII side-games, its how they got away with changing/adding so much new content.
Too many fans cant enjoy these games to the max because they take the "remake" necessity to heart. When FFVIIR was first announced years ago, I remember going "wha...? Why not just make an FFVII-2 instead?". But that's square for you; "we'll take a huge risk and make a trilogy of the most divisive games in our series!(XIII), we'll make a direct sequel to FFXII...on a handheld system not everyone owns, thats wont piss anyone off!, we'll remake FFVII but it wont be a remake, it'll be so much more, and we'll throw the whole kitchen in there!!, Wha..? People want an FFVII remake? Nobody wants that, we'll just sit on the idea for years til all possible hype dies down to death!". I swear, they make decisions stupider thank modern day Konami!
That said, curious to see how this one unfolds
Seems like the devs had too many ideas how the story should go, so they decided to mash all their ideas together instead of making decisions. That's how they come up with "multiverses".
But that's not how good storytelling is made.
That's how a group of fanboys would have a brainstorming over how the story should be. Non-professionals. Maybe not even fanboys, but just people.
Non-adults in either case.
I highly doubt these games will stand the test of time. The story isn't written to be timeless like the original. Instead Square has chosen to bet everything on twists, mysteries and subverting expectations, stuff that'll keep conversation alive between games, but will mean nothing after part 3 is out and everything is revealed. I wonder how many will think this was a story worth telling at the original's expense, once it's all done and over with.
lmao like the og had no issues at all.
Ppl is just so blinded by nostalgia that can enjoy shit anymore
@@josefarias1119 I dare say it's blind nostalgia that make some people like these atrocious remake games.
Cloud & the gang are back for more wacky adventures. Sephiroth is everywhere too!
@@mikespearwood3914 Rebirth is one of the best videogames ive ever played, but hEY IS ATROCIOUS CUZ UUU RUclipsR SAYS SO.
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This isn't FF7s story, it's a Disney ride based on it...the longest ever made, fun for a few minutes...not 8 years.
@josefarias1119 Didn't need a RUclipsr to tell us the remakes are trash.
the signal was from the demo right from the start, not only was the first boss so many unnecessary phases, they even robbed the entire purpose away from the main cast of doing a terroristic and bad act to fight a greater fight of what they believed in, and gave all the "wrong and bad actor" role to shinra.... absolute dog shit of a remake, let alone all the complete insanity of making a game that has no multiverse into a multiverse game LOL
This has been the best encapsulation of my issues with this remake series. I have had a hard time expressing this to all my friends that just gobbled this up like good little consumers. Now I can explain exactly why I didn't like this.
You make a good point: multiverse stories only work when the characters are VERY different so that they aren't interchangeable. I wish modern media grasped that, because lately multiverse stories have been boring and terrible 😅
It is not a multiverse so he is wrong in the first place, he made his assessment off other popular assumptions that this game has multiple timelines and worlds, that has all been proven wrong now.
@@MantaRayOfDoom Real shit? Somebody needs to make a video explaining this to me haha
And yet this is what the story wants any general audience member to take away from it. The story shows multiple universes/worlds/realities/timelines/other places where apparent double/echoes/projections of characters roam.
It doesn't matter if the multiple places shown/numerous dog realities can all be condensed or explained into one place by the end of it all. It's about what the story wants you to feel and experience now, and how it presents itself now.
About what it's clearly trying to present itself as (without the presence of 100 theory crafting videos and lore breakdowns to prop it up or obfuscate).
-> ruclips.net/video/prBWyRcGCyY/видео.html
This game is so bad it actually makes me mad thinking about it. It brings out my inner Anger Video Game Nerd.
I think the third act is the worse part about this game, the lack of impact from Aeriths death, the many boss fights that take place and then all the multiverse shenanigans just makes it all come off convoluted. There’s still also many moments of paddling too which just becomes a complete bore to get through.
There was never going to be an impact. I wish FF7 would stop pretending otherwise, when most of them meme her death to death. Oh, now we care about Aerith's death enough to not laugh at her like we've been doing before the Remake project. Fake ass Aerith fans. Real Aerith fans want her to survive the Remakes.
@@zerofudou5689 You're delusional. "Real Aerith fans" will know that Aerith lives on in the lifestream. The point of Aerith's death was lost on you, it wasn't about her, because again she's in the lifestream, it was about Cloud. Aerith's death was a wake up call to both Cloud and the player. It's what brings about the theme and climax of the game. The impact is Cloud's reaction to it.
@@jase276 You call yourself an Aerith fan yet reduce her character to basic motivation for Cloud. What? I wouldn't call being a ghost "living on".
This shit looks like the last Star Wars Trilogy.