An Underrated Clerith Moment
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2022
- I've been meaning to share this discovery, but since I found it by accident I'd forgotten when the cutscene could be triggered! Would love to hear fellow Cleriths' thoughts on this hidden gem 😄
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1:13 I think that's a typo - it should probably say "there" instead of here. It would make more sense with the overall message of the sentence itself and the ones before and after it, as follows: "Hmm... Aeris didn't need to come here. She was able to find out all the information THERE. What Aeris needed was that altar... and only that."
Fun fact: that's approximately 15 minutes of gameplay crammed into 15 seconds during that fast-forwarded bit (it sounds even more chaotic than it looks 😂)... I had to double the speed and save the modified clip several times to achieve this using iMovie, it was tedious to edit with a migraine but I wanted to keep the gameplay footage in the video to preemptively prove to any sceptics that this scene is in fact real despite its obscurity 💚
Wow, that sounds tricky! Good job :D
Thanks 😄
@@Kabbaway it's so cool how you're always making the most of what you've got, even though you'd rather have fancier software ❤️
Thank you, I'm working on getting my new software set up... I'm hoping to start using it for console games soon! 😄
He thinks of Aerith very often even after her death, in a short time she has marked his life and she is one of his main reasons to fight, when he's in doubt he asks Aerith for answers, he always cares about her and trusts her.
I couldn't agree more, of course Cloud has other reasons to fight but the narrative frames Aerith as arguably being his most intimate one... the grief he feels for Aerith hits at the very core of his being, impacting him significantly for years to come... it's so bittersweet, I hope Remake offers a happier ending for Clerith 💚
As heart-wrenching as that would be, I doubt SE will go down that road again - Aerith's death was groundbreaking in 1997 because main characters in video games were rarely killed off (let alone that early in the story and in cold blood), whereas now such deaths are almost expected of any decent fantasy/action story so the shock factor isn't so strong anymore... not to mention her death is arguably one of the most well-known aspects of the game which Remake even heavily foreshadowed several times... the whole point of Remake is to defy and rewrite fate and the OG timeline is suggested to have been a "bad ending" of sorts, so setting up a scenario that's shaping up to lead to a happier ending to close off FFVII's story only to repeat the same tragic beats as before would be such a waste of a years-long project... I think they'll definitely show us a vision of it for homage and plot sake but the story will ultimately either reverse her fate or avert it entirely, I guess time will tell! 😄
Oh yeah, Sephiroth is definitely obsessed with Cloud! I don't personally ship them because of all the physical and mental abuse Sephiroth has inflicted on Cloud, but I'd be lying if I said I couldn't see the type of homoerotic sexual tension which is always inadvertently present between male rivals regardless of their orientation 😂
I haven't sorry, don't get a lot of time to listen to podcasts 😅
Even today we keep discovering hidden scenes. FF7 is really a deep game
It really is! I guess only those who worked on the game themselves or with advanced game coding skills/knowledge will know the true depth of FFVII 😅
I am sure that if Aerith dies in the remake , which I don 't want , then he will remember her VERY often , much more often than in the original , maybe they will even add dreams about her to him , or something like that . I 'm sure of it . But I hope the Cloud will save her
I have a feeling Aerith's death will either be reversed or completely averted this time, with Remake's theme of defeating/rewriting fate... but I agree that the devs will certainly keep making Cloud's feelings more explicit and the Clerith implications will only become more and more undeniable from here on out 😄
@@Kabbaway It seems to me Clerith is generally in a win-win situation ) The hope for Cloti fans is probably only that Aerith 's true love is Zack , and that he is alive . Maybe he 's alive . But if they really think he can interfere with Cloud and Aerith 's relationship , then they are very strange . Because there are a million official proofs , in the original , in official books, everywhere, that Aerith's true love is a Cloud . This is undeniable
Definitely, if anything Zack being alive and active in the story will debunk Zerith as an endgame ship and ZaCloud as a fan misconception... there is definitely method to SE's madness 😅
I once saw a poll vote about 'Who is Cloud's true love?'
Then many people voted for Tifa instead of Aerith.
The poll vote was on 2019.
That's not surprising, Tifa/Cloti is very popular especially in the international fandom... I feel like the Clerith fandom has gotten a sort of second wind thanks to Remake
Wow what an awesome find! He just came out of a mental breakdown and mako-induced coma, they're on their way to seize Huge Materia and try out Shinra's plan to nuke Meteor and he cares about and trusts Aerith enough to not only have her on his mind but to imply that he believes she had the answers to saving the world
Very true - even though the party has what they believed to be a solid plan, Cloud embraces Aerith's power as a Cetra and how equipped she truly was to handle this dire situation... this scene suggests that he only has faith in Aerith in every way, from the fate of the world to the fate of his heart/soul 💚
@@Kabbaway FFVII is a Clerith story through and through
OMG that's amazing! Lol to all those antis who claim Cloud forgets about Aerith in Disc 2 😆💅🏻
Thanks! Yeah, it really is ridiculous to claim that Cloud didn't care for Aerith after she died - even without this moment there's the whole mission to decipher the Lifestream messages with Bugenhagen where the group expresses grief over her... not to mention Cloud referencing her memories just before the final battle and of course him wanting to meet her in the Promised Land 💚
they actually say that? LOL. cloud mentions saying he promised to take her on the highwind. and there's so many other mentions of aerith post disc 1 and it all comes outta cloud. people are so ignorant
Their claims are ridiculous! Like Kabbaway says, he says he can meet her in the promised land in the ending, the key scene in the forgotten city, "Aerith- I'll do everything else", right before the final battle "she was smiling to the end, we need to something or else that smile will just get stuck" something like that, he mentions he wanted to take Aerith on a ride on the highwind. Haters also deny Aerith's role in saving Cloud from the lifestream "A guardian angel must have been watching over him" before we arrived. Do they just ignore this stuff?
You're both absolutely right - I think they feel that Cloud reminiscing over Aerith after her death isn't conducive to their narrative that he moved on with Tifa, which is constructed on heavily romanticised half-truths - sure he did move in with her, but they were also living with Barret and Marlene until the former took up temporary work elsewhere and Cloud took on Denzel regardless of Tifa because he viewed the boy as a sort of gift from Aerith to facilitate his redemption... not to mention he later moved out and the little post-AC(C) information we get indicates that Cloud and Tifa are not only still friends but that they merely keep in contact, implying that Cloud still isn't living at Seventh Heaven 2.0... even if he was, Barret is back (still very much Marlene's sole dad) and Shelke ends up living there too as an independent adult... Tifa said it herself in CoT that they're a family of friends who are joined together by mutual trauma, even though she later implies that she doesn't even view them as a "real family" which really speaks of her dissatisfaction with her relationship with Cloud... anywho, bit of a tangent but what all the Aerith grief denial comes back to is antis pushing a narrative which the narrative itself doesn't support 😕
Literally advent children is the perfect example of how much aerith's death affected him. 2 years and he still cannot come to terms with the grief he feels over aerith's death so I really don't get it when people say he forgot about her.
I think we all never know. This scene is kinda Aerith's secret part i guess.
Aerith didnt say anything because she might notice Cloud was a puppet of Jenova at that time.
So she worried about his mentalbreakdown, and went alone.
But as you know “Hollow” is officially Cloud's song, FF7remake ending one,
Cloud tries to understand Aerith much more than originalgame.
Definitely - Cloud won't let Aerith shoulder her burdens alone this time, and on the same token I think Aerith's learned to accept help... I think this will make all the difference going forward in this new continuity 💚
@@Kabbaway
Very ture!! Cloud is still single, never has married.
I hope we could see Cloud and Aerith's happy wedding till the end of the game.💕
We know remake is meta-narrative. Happy clerith🌸 Thanks 😊
A Clerith wedding would be so beautiful... I'm also hoping for a resurgence of the Cetra (or at least their values), whether through their children or by spreading the beliefs of the Cetra... it would be wonderful to see people reinhabit the Forgotten City and theoretically rekindle their connection with the Planet 💚
Love this!
You know what, thinking about it now, I think Cloud will finally be able to stop her from going to meet her fate. He did have a vision of her death so maybe he will remember that and really stop her maybe even direct her in the right direction but idk.
I just can't watch her die again and Cloud break down 😭
It’d be pretty mean of them to have Zack, Avalanche trio and even Barret cheat death only to condemn Aerith to the same fate as before. If she DOES die, I don’t see it being permanent. Fingers crossed! 💚
@@Kabbaway Yeah that would be pretty messed up.
I think Zach won't find Aerith but will instead go after Cloud who might be drawn to the "Reunion" but idk just a thought.
@SuperQueenV. I agree, I’ve seen a lot of people theorise that Zack’s in a parallel reality from Remake Cloud and party (if he was in their reality, it would’ve had a tremendous butterfly effect or even paradox, especially with there being two Clouds in Midgar). That way, Zack can have his own adventure without replacing Cloud as protagonist (which is something else I’ve seen theorised and hoped for which frankly undermines the entire series in my opinion)
@@Kabbaway Right! A rip in space and time but it doesn't seem to affect anyone really in Rebirth.... so far.
I'm hoping that Cloud and Aerith get an expanded upon date scene and we get to see them really get close.
@SuperQueenV. Me too, it’d be really cute 🥰
The one of the clerith moment! Thank you for the sharing! We can looking forward to Rebirth right now! I think this time Cloud will save her and together! Just like their theme songs meant to each other! Hollow and No Promise To Keep! Deep love for them!
Definitely the most obscure Clerith moment I know of! I’m tentatively hopeful for Rebirth as well - there’s always the chance SE to go through with her death, but the overall trend of the Remake project defying fate has me optimistic that things will go differently this time 💚
@@Kabbaway Although she may die again in rebirth I feel like will be revive in third part! This time will not be the same~if not meaningless for the remake~hoho!
@kanzakichikage586 that’s what I think too - if they do go through with killing her, it won’t be permanent - they devs literally broke the laws of the story universe to make this story happen, and it’d be a waste not to go through with the premise they’ve been teasing for years now. Not even from a shipping standpoint, but from a storytelling point - if they do all this set up without a decent payoff, it will leave people feeling dissatisfied and sort of clickbaited, regardless of whatever side of the shipping fence they happen to be on. It wouldn’t be good for them, especially since we all know FFVII is their golden child since they sold most of their original IPS to fund their live service and NFT and now AI grifts. I doubt they’d recover from the backlash
I wonder if Tifa would have said something more in relation to it as she was the one in the Lifestream with Cloud? Should check!
Yeah, I was curious to see if she would have a unique response! I saved at a savepoint in one of the houses a few screens over before triggering the scene so I was able to trial the dialogue with all of the party members, but they all essentially say the same thing - one saying "now that you mention it..." and the other saying some variation of their head feeling like it's getting crushed... of all the party combinations I've tried so far, Tifa is always the one to say "now that you mention it..." I'll be sure to let you know if I find anything different! 😁
Just found that someone else has found this scene - it seems like regardless of who else is in your party, Tifa will always say the same generic lines as everyone else (near the bottom of this page ~ www.yinza.com/Fandom/Script/39.html)... if I were to guess, perhaps she wasn't in the Lifestream long enough to really get in tune with it (the novel Maiden Who Travels The Planet also shows that Aerith used magic to protect Tifa from getting mako poisoning which could also be a factor). Cloud, on the other hand, was adrift in the Lifestream for an extended period of time and was severely debilitated by it; while in his catatonic state, he talks about the voices and sounds he hears which are implied to be from the Lifestream. That might explain why he comments about the sensations being familiar while Tifa doesn't 🙂
I found a different video someone uploaded many years ago which features Tifa in it, and yep she has no unique dialogue ~ ruclips.net/video/C4TFenJxZzE/видео.html
I thought this was part of the story progression since I got this scene too, is this really a secret scene??
Of all the people in the FFVII community I've spoken with, only you and one other person have seen this before (plus the one who compiled this script, near the bottom ~ www.yinza.com/Fandom/Script/39.html )... I guess because people normally go to the underwater lab in Junon right after the Mideel/Lifestream sequence, they don't think to go to this specific area within an area on the other side of the world 😅 there's a lot of obscure dialogue which can be triggered by going to various locations at different times, in fact even Cloud's flashback of Zack and his death was once considered "secret" since most people never had a reason to revisit Nibelheim at that point in the story. It's awesome that even 25 years after its release, people keep discovering new things about this game! 😄
@@Kabbaway wow that's amazing, thanks for letting me know! Seeing that Zack flashback was soo haunting, i cant imagine people missing that.
That makes me wonder what other dialogues were secret because I revisit every single location before fighting sephiroth.
Thank you for uploading this or else i would have never known this crucial information 😁
No worries, I'm glad the video was informative and entertaining for people! 😄 reading that online script plus just messing around in the game itself is such a fun way of discovering random things 😂
Wow amazing
It was a pretty cool find 😊💚
Cloud in the remake actually looks like him.
I like his design in the Re- project 😊
HEYY 👋🏼 what do you think of Clerith now in Rebirth??
Hi! I was pretty happy shipping-wise with Rebirth, though I didn’t enjoy other aspects of the game. I’m curious what they’ll do for Part 3, though I think focusing more on refining a few key elements instead of trying to be everything is what the Re- project sorely needs
@@Kabbaway For the end, I read that It was possibly showing the timeline in which he successfully blocked sephiroth and she survived. She’s alive in another timeline that cloud created when he stopped sephiroth. Our world is the OG where she died but it seems like cloud is the only one who can see and communicate with Aerith from the timeline where she’s alive. IF sephiroth wants to merge all timelines together it means we’ll see Aerith and even zack with the whole gang again in part 3 and we’ll be able to keep Aerith from dying…WITH Zack. Hopefully this theory is true!
I’m thinking along those lines too. I think all the different realities are overlapping - they’re all happening in the exact same points in space but very few can actually perceive more than their own layer of reality. We can even see in Remake’s ending with Cloud and Aerith walking past Zack and other Cloud - they don’t notice each other, though Aerith does pause before mentioning how she misses Midgar’s plate (because the sky “takes away the people she loves”) so at the very least she does seem to have sensed them in that moment. I think a lot of people forget about that shot, or more specifically the implications of that shot and how it relates to what is happening in Rebirth.
In Rebirth’s ending Nanaki also senses Aerith, calling out her name when she pats him. This makes sense given his knowledge from Bugenhagen, close friendship with Aerith and the fact that they’re almost spiritually connected from her giving him visions back in Remake. I’ve seen some people dismiss this as Nanaki just sensing her spirit in the Lifestream, but a side quest where we find out that Wedge did in fact fall to his death shows what that would look like - a string of Lifestream and Wedge’s voice speaking to Barret (though Nanaki denies what happened).
@@KabbawayHere’s something I’ve thought about that further disproves Cloti. Maybe you’ll agree, or not. The Ultimania states that cloud is mentally 16 years old. Cloud and Tifa were never like “high school sweethearts” it was more of a crush from Clouds side. So, cloud having a thing for Tifa is just his mentally 16 year old self talking, NOT his adult self.
We all know that people get over their childhood crushes when they get older.
Which means When cloud’s mental state ages up he’ll likely get over Tifa. They weren’t ever dating anyway, just a mere childhood crush. What do you think of that thought?
I think that’s more so informed by Tifa’s romanticised memories/fantasies of Cloud which his Jenova cells replicated to consolidate his persona (ie that they were close childhood friends). Zack’s chivalrous behaviour may have influenced his persona too. Personally, I think his dim crush on Tifa (as described in CC Ultimania) probably faded over the two years he was an infantry man - he was a teenager in the military, travelling the world and getting exposed to countless settings, people and situations he otherwise wouldn’t have experienced back in Nibelheim. Obviously the concept of child soldiers is TERRIBLE and should never happen, but for better or worse this time and distance away from home would’ve had a profound impact on him. Of course he still carried the shame of not fulfilling his dream or his promise to Tifa, but his experiences would’ve inevitably changed him in some way, broadening his perspective beyond the small town politics which condemned him and his mum to always be outcasts; life means more than that now Nibelheim isn’t his whole world. Between this growth and experiencing his first REAL friendship through Zack, it’d be understandable if Cloud’s feelings for Tifa (romantic and/or platonic) waned as a result; he’s had exposure to so, so many more options beyond the one female peer he had growing up, who he barely ever interacted with and is a significant subject of his ostracism and resulting trauma. He shouldn’t have to settle for that sort of strained dynamic just because they technically knew each other as kids.
I don’t think his paused mental development has that much to do with disproving Cloti specifically, it’s more to emphasise the broader consequences of being in and out of a coma for the last 5 years of his life. If anything, it’s often used as an argument against ANY type of shipping for him. He’s lost that time, the critical transition from teenager to adult, time when most people consolidate their identity and life skills. He’s also deeply traumatised and has always struggled with socialisation. Realistically speaking, Cloud probably doesn’t have the capacity (mentally or emotionally speaking) to sustain an intimate relationship with ANYBODY at this point in the story, not even Aerith. That’s not to say that he can’t experience romantic feelings or that he can never pursue them in the future, but it is worth acknowledging that ideally Cloud should figure out who he is as an individual and begin healing from the worst of his trauma first, so that all his relationships (romantic, platonic and otherwise) can be healthy and sustainable 💚