How Did A Simple Plane Maneuver Lead To Catastropic Disaster? | Mayday Compilation | Wonder
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2023
- This compilation of MayDay Air Disaster shows the horrific stories of the events of Air Transat Flight 236 and Alaska Airlines Flight 261.
Mayday Air Disaster S1 E5+6
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Absolutely horrific!! My heart breaks for these people. Those pilots are still heroes in my eyes for trying to control the plane till the end!! Its highly upsetting that no one is in prison over this disaster.
Money talks and bull 💩 walks!!!🙄
@@AccentYouLovingheart You took the words right out of my mouth…sad but that’s how this world rolls…
I've flown a lot of piston general aviation planes. Standard procedure is a check of the free movement of all flight control surfaces before takeoff- if the airlines don't require this, they should. I was also a crew chief on F-4's in the Air Force. One day on End of Runway check I noticed a screwdriver laying up on the top surface of the stabilator ( moving tail control surface) of a jet just before takeoff. It could easily have fallen into the moving surface and jammed flight controls.
@@whatwillbem6825 that is how chernobyl and fukashima happened and almost TMI repeating as well
Fukushima suffered failure due to an earthquake, though the backup system to shut down the reactors, and the location of the plant may have contributed to the magnitude of the disaster.
The number of these incidents that include concerns about keeping flights on time or any reason that serves the airline’s interests rather than the people on board is really frustrating to see. It happens way too often that inconvenience or expense is avoided only to see people lose their lives when it could be avoided.
Greed. Plain and simple.
The only explanation and not an excuse, passengers who are taking connecting flights (I never have) but even then, they could stay at a hotel and take the next flight (this would be recompensed by the airline, which they obviously don’t like). It is the repairs and inspections that I think it is criminal to skip on and heads should roll.
There is little like a raging desire to optimize share profit to inspire a willingness to 'take a few chances here and there'. "Well, we can take a SMALL chance, right? And maybe one MIDDLING chance, surely it won't ever BE a problem..? And if it is, it won't be OUR problem since they never arrest managers for this sort of thing!"
1 GREED
2 GREED
3 GREED. MANAGEMENT BEING PAYED MILLIONS IN BONUS. THAT ARE NOT DESERVED
4 GREED
Welcome to America where the higher-ups never get charged because the higher-ups themselves have to protect the other higher-ups from investigations and being held criminally responsible. As in flight 261 they only suspended to the Head mechanics because they were tall they'd protected from the higher-ups if anything happened so that they wouldn't rat the higher-ups higher than them.
Jeeze! Those actors playing the pilots are fantastic! Especially the one with the eye glasses. Fully had me believing the scene was reality!
Agreed! They also recite line for line what was recorded on the CVR. They were heroes, God rest theirs and the victims' souls.
@@R.DeMorabless her heart.
Agreed
Are y’all being sarcastic?
These guys have done other mayday videos if I’m not mistaken.
Those piolets were fricking WARRIORS on that damn flight! Their communication, determination, devotion....FIGHT to save that plane was ASTOUNDING
@JackFromWyoming yes I have...what I meant was there have been other episodes where the piolets work against each other. These two were able to stay calm and work together
Nervous passenger: How often do planes crash?
Stewardess: Just once.
Good one. Except now they're called flight attendants. That's a gender neutral job title. haha
The part about this crash among many that gets me the most is that the attitude is that if you were a whistleblower and you point out legitimate systemic problems that can cause lives to be lost that according to Mary Schiavo, You should never expect to work in that industry or at your employer again. It is definitely naive to say this but that should simply not be the case people that find problems expose them should be rewarded promoted etc.
It seems that a supervisor thought that the cost of keeping the aircraft on the ground waiting for the correct part would be too costly
If I saw the plane crashing like the one man did, I don’t think I would or could tell the parent of one of the passengers how awful it was and how they must have suffered 😢
Yeah your absolutely right
yeah wtf that was so weird.
I think that kind of eye witness testimony is actually quite beneficial, especially when the lawsuits start coming in. I don’t know the exact charge for the lawsuit - probably wrongful death - but I want to almost guarantee that the more the passengers suffered, the higher the payout could be to the families. Obviously no amount of money can bring back your loved ones. But when you have eye witness testimony in court describing the downfall of the airplane, I think your chances of a higher payout increase significantly.
lol, exactly! wtf?!
I'm sure the CEO still got his bonus. You never hear of any management going to jail.
Yup, they always have a scapegoat, usually some poor worker but we citizens never protest or demand anything so that's why
My brother and I are both pilots and mechanics. We've always said no matter the cause of a crash, corporate will ALWAYS blame the pilots or mechanics.
Unpopular opinion: companies aren't people. It's not just the CEO, it's A LOT of people and not one of those people is 100% guilty.
@@nicoler.wunderink_2874The yoke of responsibility should always rest upon the shoulders of the CEO.
Exactly. The stockholders pay a bunch of $, the execs are all cleared. Some medium level employee is found criminally liable. Either it gets quietly overturned or they do a light sentence in exchange for a pile of money.
Rest Easy Alaska Flight 261 . . . and God Bless
Those pilots were so heroic. For them to request to be rerouted over the pacific ocean in case the plane went down, no one on the ground would get killed 😢
LAX is just off the coast north of el Segundo, so to stay out of air traffic and fly out over the water made sense
The pilots were awarde the highest award for bravery from the Airline Pilots Association.
21:20 This request saved lives, because the pilot was a grade A Hero.
I get why families of the victims sued Alaska Airlines but in my opinion they should’ve sued the FAA as well cause they had more fault than Alaska Airlines. Sadly most major accidents could’ve and would’ve been prevented only if the FAA would’ve done their job. Alaska Airlines was able to extend their maintenance intervals on their MD-80s fleet cause it was approved by someone in the FAA. Same thing happened with Chalk’s Ocean Airways (Flight 101), Turkish Airlines Flight 981 would’ve never crashed if the FAA would’ve done their job after it was discovered that there was a problem with the cargo door on the first MD-10s, ValuJet flight 592 would’ve never crashed if the FAA had done their job and ordered all airlines to install smoke detectors in the cargo holds and the list goes on and on. When a tragedy happens sometimes it happens as a result of a bigger problem and not as the caused of mechanical failure or pilot error.
Well but the guidelines weren't maintained. If they did the time FAA set out and then still crashed, I couldn't it more. They couldn't also have found it too expensive so went where they know they could win. But that's how I see it. To add the company that didn't allow for.redundancy.of the system.seems more at.fault to me than FAA.
You don't really know how any of this works do you?
All whistle-blowers should be offered a job with the FAA as inspectors of maintenance shops.
Make them CEOs
Anytime it is found that a so-called whistleblower told somebody of an issue and was silenced and later found to be correct everybody within 10 miles of him should be fired!!!!!
Wow how the maintenance guy was like yea did you do this and did that,if you wanna try and if that helps if not its ok with me,see u at the gate, really me as a pilot, would be are u frickin kidding me,thats all the trouble shoot u gonna tell me,thats sad ,
If the maintenance chief knew the ins and outs of that mechanism he would of told him “ don’t touch it any further “
And if he were a pilot he would of said get her in the ground asap and in one piece THEN we will figure it out.
This is too much to bear. These pilots deserved all the honors and everything and all the passengers do too. They should not be forgotten😢
Rest in Peace Carolyn Marie Margiotta Clemetson and family. Never forgotten!
As someone from Alaska and who flies with AK Air frequently, rest in peace flight 261 and all the crew and passengers on board. Prayers to all the families effected by this horrible disaster.
2nd to none, the most horrifying report on a plane crash I've ever seen, and I've watched a lot.
The tension, terror and heartache was so physically tangible.
The trauma was horrendous, and the fact that the crew continued to work professionally and without hesitation floors me.
I saw a video (maybe the same one) previously about this same flight. That's what happens when maintenance supervisors don't properly service stabilizers and grease jackscrews. Who else should be held accountable besides those IN CHARGE OF such maintenance ???? Manufacturer for not alerting airlines of potential problems ??? Yes them too.
Just in case you were wondering why we have all these safety regulations, this is why.
The first fuel warning, I'm finding the nearest airport to land.
I would never have opened the cross feed valve I would leave it closed and if the one tank was getting lower you would feel it from the weight and then know you have a leak.
Terrible situation ALL the way around. From those on-board, to those that watched it go down. Prayers for the families of all involved...
Just goes to show the rich never suffer the consequences, Alaska Airlines should have been shut down and it's execs jailed for mass murder.
Rich? U must b a crybaby in life.
Absolute heroes! God bless
Just amazing best pilots
Experience and keep your 😎
Cool.
Each few years we see this story here....
This is the most cruel disaster i have ever seen... To see how it gets closer...
That jackscrew mechanism is a disaster by itself even if it is inside all planes exist...
Tail need to be a fix wing
I agree! The tail needs to be a fixed wing!
@@adrianciobotaru9595 No, it does not!
Oh God. I can't think what the other pilot feels when see the alaska plane on that nose dive.
That captain Piche is one cool customer
Is it me or do the older episodes have better acting than the ones from recent years?
And the really sad part is that alot ppl saw what was going on but to know that theres nothin u could of do,as much as u wanted it was impossible..sad
This Alaska 261 episode is much, much better than the remake they did.
That was the perfect actor for the captain.
Second Episode @ 52:05
If each supervisor and ceo's got charged and fined maybe they would be more concerned.
And as usual, no one was held accountable....
Well the whistle blower was held accountable. I learned long ago that Human Resources at a company exist solely to protect the company. NOT an individual employee.
I agree on HR. It's almost like as employees visit HR, their getting more ammo and info to be used at their discretion on whomever.
Well they do pay HR’s salary and they aren’t paying it to have them turn on them. Sadly they give the facade that they’re there for you the employee but you don’t butter their bread. They may follow protocol and report it to higher ups but then those higher ups, protect the company at all costs. It’s almost like having spies working for you to weed out the ones who may try to go against the company
Capitalism means“killing one man is a sin but killing one hundred is buisness“
Re the story about the jet out of fuel that landed with all aboard surviving. The captain was amazing -- gliding that jet and landing it as he did and passengers and crew ALL surviving. Maybe the crossfeed for the fuel should have been closed or shut off, but if it would have been, wouldn't that mean fuel would have been on board (and possibly still leaking) when they came down on the runway? That could have made things more dangerous. They may have tried to dump fuel to prevent an explosion and not made it to the runway or not dumped fuel which could have led to an explosion and casualties. Yes, crew needs to pay heed to warnings and follow checklists and then follow up on the results after a moment, but sometimes, what we should do doesn't to be right or is forgotten in the tension of the moment. I think of it this way: no lives were lost, a problem was discovered and a solution devised/applied, a record was set (though it is hoped the situation never occurs that would give opportunity to best it), and a pilot really showed his skill and was recognized for it.
It was mentioned that eight tires were blown in the landing. I believe that the airline should not have mentioned it as though it were important, but they should definitely mention every chance they can how skillful their pilot and crew are.
I completely agree with you. The fact that the pilots didn’t panic and then make stupid mistakes in result, is nothing short of professionalism and confidence and as for me, that is exactly whom I want in control of my plane if ever in trouble . I’m not familiar with how things work however in my amateur mind I feel like Blowing 8 tires while landing a plane with no power, would/could easily lead to a wreck or mishap, leaving runway, etc, however he stopped the plane beautifully and did so while over speed. That’s nothing short of incredible talent with a little luck imo.
I need a video on this story
Closing the crossfeed valve would have stopped the flow of fuel to the broken fuel line. This is now part of the procedure when dealing with a fuel leak situation. Closing this valve would have preserved the fuel for the other engine to remain running.
Aw.. a replay. I thought this is a new one 😆
This disaster will not happen if there is an annual audit on maintenance performed by air line. Lack of over sight will let airline disregard safety for profits.
The ground support wasn't worth the time they talked to them. These people on the ground have blood on their hands and should be barred from ever working in the airline business again. They were less help than anyone else involved. Shame on them and their entire airline.
Why do modern airliners not have a few cheap, simple external cameras, that would enable pilots at least some overall visuals of the structures and exterior their plane?
Unless built into the airframe, usually there will be a lot of engineering considerations in opening any holes in the fuselage/fairing panels for camera installation. There would also be a lot of avionic considerations for routing of cables within the airframe, including possibility of the addition of a display of sufficient resolution in the flight deck if none was already present.
They didn’t know how much trouble they were truly in till it was too late
The airbus 330 with all its sophisticated computer systems, could not tell the pilots there was a fuel leak.
On a side note: Wow the actor playing Captain Robert Piche from the Air Transit Flight really resembles him! 1:29:03 1:08:50
When I see these documentaries I always wonder, what exactly are the flight attendants doing in those moments. I saw how they are trained and they are prepared for a lot of scenarios, but when hearing about plane crashes you never hear about the cabin crew.
Those are the times when the flight crew will need to admit to themselves that they were working inside a true death machine for too long…
" Bean Counters " are Inversely Proportional to Aviation Safety !
Be it Maintenance - Fuel Loads - De Icing - Duty Periods etc ...
No grease on the threads, but plenty of blood on the hands…
Regarding second story: It feels like it isn't enough for pilots to be trained to think logically and have checklists. They also need information how certain gauges function, so that they know what to trust among many things when it breaks down. Had they trusted the reading more as they should they wouldn't have taken fuel from the healthy tank. In the end they performed amazingly!
Man, that Alaska maintenance guy. He really just said “lol that sucks, I mean idc I guess you can do that”
Don't cut corners for maintenance
The plane crashed 23 years ago. I get tears for these unfortunate souls. I can't imagine hitting the sea at 200+ mph like hitting with "Tons," of bricks.
I seen that spot it really sad that it happen when it could of been prevented may they all rest in paradise
Flight 261. 87 settlements up for up to 20 million dollars each undisclosed.
The dispatcher should be jailed as well
It is outrageous that no one in authority from the airline was brought to book for this disaster.
That creepy eskimo picture on the tail really gets me.
everyone to the rear of the plane !!
When I change a engine I change all hoses and lines
They should have done those responsible for criminal negligence
Supervisors and their bosses should be charged with their deaths.
That's messed up to be a whistle blower and you tell them prepare to loose your job and so they don't tell
That is why there are now legal protections for whistle-blowers.
WOW 😮😢
Pilots were heroes
Little mistakes/huge consequences. Mechanics of all types are underrated and, sometimes, not given proper training and/or supervision.
Mayday mayday mayday
Whistleblowers get canned. The last MD80 rolled off assembly line at McDD Long Beach while I worked on final engineering changes on the C17. Thought it was Lakewood but was on the border.
The simple fact is that in the last 40-50, every single regulatory agency in the US Federal government has been subjected to regulatory capture by the industries they are supposed to regulate. Because modern technology requires advanced training and knowledge, the employees tend to be former or future industry employees. This means they have a natural empathy with their industry. They also may be offered future employment opportunities as consultants in the industry. The companies have flooded D.C. with lobbyists to the point that there are many times more of them than Congressional staff. Most legislation that passes Congress is actually written by industry specialists or attorneys.
And yet Congress creates those agencies and approves those regulations. But we keep sending those same politicians back to Congress. No one trusts Congress ... except for *our* personal incombents. Them we keep sending back, time after time. But there is no way to give a government that kind of power and not expect them to use it.
@DianeMerriam You hit the damn nail on the head. We the people need to reclaim OUR government by actively participating in our legislative process by voting, paying attention to what our elective officials do by ensuring their votes are in our best interests not, corporations or special interest groups. If not, we must retire the incumbent and replace them with someone who will represent us accordingly.
I've spent 40 years in the aviation business and I can tell you there are damned few congresscritters who know anything about the business. We take the lesser of two evils and in this case I'll take people who know what they're talking about over any congresscritter.
As soon as they had a flight control problem, they should have returned to airport!
I'm in the industry & I will never understand why the US Government allowed Alaska Airlines to continue to exist.
The stabilizer on 3 737s stopped working and the planes went straight down
Wasn’t the Alaska disaster under the deregulation of the industry during C’s presidency…the FAA is a governmental agency responsible to some other agency (so many…).Passengers were able to get cheaper flights, but to what cost?
And these stories are exactly why I will never fly again. I've done so exactly once. My return mode of travel was by commercial passenger bus. I own and ride a motorcycle on the other hand. I realize not the most rational thing but it is what it is.
I will never fly Alaskan airlines again!
Wow
Earliest I've ever been to an episode :0
I'll never ride with Alaska airlines ever
Too many Commercial interruptions.... RUclips/Google getting greedy?
Get a premium account. Its dirt cheap
RIP
The first episode in this compilation is a plane crash Mentour Pilot recently covered.
My personal opinion is they need to check those planes more closely, check the tail more close, I feel that they didn't do there job inspecting the plane enough!
So the government doesn’t want a whistle blower either ??? Why. Now that should set off alarm bells.
Why didn't RR send the complete parts in the first place?
❤❤❤❤Amen!
Didn’t know how to use the torch in that situation
NEVER EVER gonna fly😮
But I bet you'll think nothing of getting in your car every day, even though almost 45,000 people die in car accidents every year in the US.
@@DianeMerriamI feel more in control in a car then being passive passenger in an airplane
@jogmas12 I understand that. Better yet to be up front in the cockpit in the airplane. But I'm sure it's far more likely that the pilots are better pilots than I (and everyone around me on the road) is a better driver. I always get a window seat several rows behind the wings to watch at least some of the control surfaces.
Way back when, I got a few dozen hours of flight school (yes, in an itty bitty Cessna) and realized that there's a completely different attitude. Driving school teaches you the normal rules for driving on the roads. Making sure you can park in tight spaces. If you're very lucky, in a well paid school, they might have an oil pad to experience skids and fishtailing. Flying school emphasizes safety and what to do when things go wrong from the very beginning. All the checks before you even start up the engine. More checks before you start your take-off. More checks before you start your landing. How to recover from a stall. How to trust your instruments more than your instincts when you're dealing with forces that your body interprets one way, but isn't always the truth when you're in the air. It's a completely different culture and mindset.
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I don't understand why they don't include a small camera in the engine pylons looking backwards. doesn't have to be good, just good enough to be able to hit a button and pull up the feed to see potential trailing fuel streams or smoke or whatever. or on the fuselage above the trailing edge of the wing. so you don't need to send an attendant with a flashlight to look out the windows.
Was that technology that advanced back then?
Retaliatory suspension delivered to the whistleblower; that’ll certainly fix the problem…
our whole world is going down. We can still prevent it
Having watched many of these disaster videos, it seems 7 out of ten are poor maintenance, and as in this case, it almost always boils down to saving money.
Then 2 are pilot error, usually by arrogance or stupidity.
That leaves 1 disaster out of 10 that is caused by an unavoidable chance occurence.
National data (NTSB) will show that most accidents are pilot error.
And I thought I could trust Alaskan airline...wow!
In the trades on dry ground we are constantly forced to build in belt and suspenders, a safe and a fail safe, forced by inspectors to build in a way that it can’t fail, and then if it fails anyway something catches it and if the catch fails something catches that. But you take booing and they will slaughter hundreds of people just trying something . Then if that something cost enough they will hide it killing hundreds more until the jet is grounded by countries. We have known safe building practices for airplanes, but rather than taking those designs and building fail safes into them we allow airline manufacturers to just continually change and play with designs
Going by your philosophy we would still be flying the Wright Brothers first airplane design and there would be NO air passenger travel.
I wonder if the flight crew knew that maintenance had been "pencil whipping " the log book's ? ether way this airline should no longer exist and why no executives went to jail ??
I'm scared shitless of flying ever since my next door neighbour was on a plane that crashed with another over the then called Yugoslavia.
I thought it was just my car company that has bad service records😅👀
So on the Airbus one, Airbus blamed the pilots, yet they changed their procedures. Rolls Royce sent a bulletin on improper parts installation and the consequences. CYA from the mfgs.
That said, unless there was specific part interchange information in the parts manual for that hydraulic pump, they should never have installed it. In fact it would be illegal to do so, at least in the US.
Too much automation can be a bad thing, and sometimes Airbus doesn't get it right. Live (hopefully) and learn.
The head of maintenance should be prosecuted.
Wonder, when are you going to make new Mayday episodes available for countries outside America? i've been dying to watch them but can't.
They called it "A SMALL MISTAKE?" What a risk for the cost of others!
Surprised the pilots didn't think of going to Edwards AFB on emergency.. wouldn't have had to slow the plane down with a runway long enough for shuttles.
San Diego would of been closer