The Cult of Chelonia, Re-Visited - Red Dead Redemption 2
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"TURTLE'S... you love turtles... I love em too... TURTLE'S"
-Arthur Morgan
🤠 ❤️ 🐢
i love that line
It's like a low intelligence conversation option in Fallout.
“well thats dead in the water..” -jamie
“with the turtles” -arthur
Gets me every time
Jamie is a true MVP. The first time I was taking back to Mary I ran into a wagon and they started shooting...Jamie whipped out a gun and just laid them full of bullets.
man always stays double strapped, what a chad
And the Lord said unto thy people "Thou shalt stayeth strapped, or thou shalt get clapped"
@Tommy Taylor
That’s amazing, I want that quote framed lol
@@tommytaylor2084 amen, amen
@@sapphiccharlotte1818 he gave him back his gun after tho?
If you didn't hesitate before jumping after them, John will actually scream "ahhhhhhh Cheloniaaaaa!!!"
Doesn't Arthur do the same thing
@@thenexus8384 can Arthur even see them doing this, pre-time skip?
@@rojax_thevoicetm2385 if John can than most likely
@@thenexus8384 I take it you haven’t played up to the epilogue yet.
@@rojax_thevoicetm2385 no arthur cannot see this event to jump and shout chelonia.
Arthur becomes so adorable when he says he loves turtles
I love how he says it right when I read this👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Tuddle 🐢
HUH AUUUUGGGH 🐢
Commit war crimes no balls🐢
@@cg_bones shoulda seen me in Serbia in the 90s boi
Jamie’s story with the cult seems to mirror Arthur’s relationship to Dutch’s gang. Probably intentional.
Jamie seems to be around the same age as Arthur would've been when he joined too. Impressionable kids getting swept up by con men
That would explain dutches love for jumping off cliffs
No shit. They made Jamie look like how Arthur looked in those framed pictures when he first met up with Dutch and Hosea. It was definitely intentional.
@@80VAIN08dutch was a chelonian in disguise all along,thats why he didnt shoot himself in rdr1
@@southernbrain691
Yeah...Dutch just favored horses to turtles.
14:24
"Am I boring you?"
"A little."
Always charming, Arthur.
oh god another freak
No one gonna talk about how Arthur said "yea turtles!" And there was an Awkward tension between him and the Chelonian group.
The hand motion he did fucking killed me 🤣
Ikr lol
@@neoxastro2407 turtles ✊😅✊
Also felt referential to the classic "i love turtles" video hahahahahahaha I'm dead
It’s the way he put his hands up like “yea …turtles” that for me 😭😭😭
The chapter 2 mission really just gives you the nugget of the Van de Linde gang being a cult.
Only "he's chosen a path" is replaced "I've got a god damn plan".
Really, once you've played it, you can see how Rockstar was telling Arthur and the player the whole time what he was really trapped in the whole time.
Yup. If you read the bits of Dutch’s book by Evelyn Miller and do the missions with him, you find Miller is a man who was born into wealth and has a chip on his shoulder. He complains whenever things don’t go his way and attacks people he thinks are bad. We had no reason to attack the “poachers” during his missions other than Miller not liking them. He’s basically an American Karl Marx. Dutch is fascinated with Miller because he recognizes a means to control things he doesn’t like.
@@elderliddle2733 pulled karl marx out of your ass
Wrong
Arthur should of left with Mary but he's too loyal
@@elderliddle2733 Anti communist propaganda in the comments for a Fizhy vid?! Ftfy. The entire world can't be 4chan. Can an old troll just watch Fizhy in peace? Your way out of line here buster.
Hearing Arthur's voice break as he told Jamie to put the gun down thinking he was about to have to kill him is so sad
Bro that’s not what he was trying to do
@@reedog1811 he meant that Jamie had a gun and Arthur thought Jamie was gonna try to shoot Arthur so Arthur was gonna have to shoot Jamie
@@Themunnyman no if you play the game yku see him also Am the gun at him self he was sad/scare cus he didn’t want him to kill him slef
@Santa yet until that happened Arthur would realistically not know if Jamie is going to shoot him or himself, after all you can see Jamie's hand shake heavily making it hard to see what Jamie will do with the Cattleman.
@@Themunnyman
I think it's more that Arthur saw Jamie holding the revolver and not knowing what Jamie was gonna do. So he started briefly worrying, because he sees Jamie as a young man with a quite sporadic mind, so naturally he'd worry that anything he tries to do with that revolver could hurt him or worse.
I’m shocked that there are such a volume of hidden points that I never saw like going to the wrong room during a mission and finding a Chelonian?! That’s nuts
"Visiting this house proves Arthur has a greater drawing ability than John." Important to know.
Haha that bit made me laugh
John was supposed to say "Chelonia" as he feel to his death during the encounter, you can look it up.
I think he had to be running, but yeah, he says it too. I expected it.
@@guu3528 True
I was harribly disappointed that he didn't
I love the implication that he's so stupid he immediately bought into Chelonianism.
I think it’s because he fell off instead of manually jumping off that it didn’t trigger.
If you replace Chelonia with Tahiti and made it a bit less flowery and more coherent, it does sound a bit like Dutch. The core ideas are there.
Ahhh I was hoping you’d run and jump, you can hear John shout “Chelonia!!!” It’s great XD
It’s funny how a lot of people seem to find safety in Arthur. Jaimie just wanted someone to fight for him. When he had a gun shot out of his hand by a man who could have killed him for the trouble or just watched him off himself, then immediately handle him with a well adjusted fathers patience. That was surprisingly deep.
Always hyped whenever I see a new RDR2 video from you. This game (Story) has set a new standard of what an open world game should be.
I Like Turtles.
@@ScottyDoesntKnow69 turdles
“new”
I just hope gta 6 isn't *too* realistic
It’s sad you have to specify just story mode.
you can actually find gold inside that hill home if you follow one of the hidden side quests that helps you find quite a few gold bars. maybe this suggests the leader was, even then, manipulating people for money? or that they were hoarding gold for the “new world” or something? dunno, but that’s how i found the hill home
You don't find gold there, you just find the next map on the quest and a random valuable to sell at the fence
....hidden side quests? How did you find out about them?
@@ChibiPanda8888 It’s a treasure map
@@ChibiPanda8888 Search up Landmark of the riches rdr2
@@Dwynmal6 gold bars baby woohooo
I just played the Jamie mission a few minutes ago and selected different conversations this time. When Arthur double fist pumped the air and with sarcastic enthusiasm said, "turtles!" I about split my gut laughing.
I love the mix of seriousness and every now and then, a bit of humour. The quick cut after Arthur falls off his horse.
I wonder if the Chelonean cult's obsession with Turtles is a reference to "Turtle Island", an older Native American belief about North America being a landmass situated on the back of a giant turtle? It certainly seems to be the case, given Cheloneans place great emphasis on North America being special. This could be a case of Native beliefs being twisted by people from another culture, possibly by a cult leader looking to take advantage of people who wish for a more mystical belief system than Christianity.
Except Christianity is extremely mystical. Read the "old testament" sometime. It's just a mythology like any other.
Christianity is nothing but myths lmao
@@BellaVita1890 Old Testament is an actual trip (and revelations, revolutions reads like a reallllly fought acid trip)
@@cybercatgaming6052 ruclips.net/video/TDxh7kSaYoY/видео.html
@@stuglife5514I believe it’s more tied into DMT. The burning bush is an acacia. That plant is very high in DMT. Lsd wasn’t invented until a couple thousand years later
Here is an interesting fact, that some birds of prey when they kill their prey, whether it be a turtle or something else, they will drop it from a great height to kill it, sure if a turtle was dropped from a great height, its shell would be cracked, allowing the predator to open it & devour it...
Might put some perspective as to why the Chelonians jumped off the cliff to break their own shell, which also leads to their actual death
This madlad really sat and grinded out all all the gold metals for the missions... Even I ain't crazy enough to do that, and I have the game platinum! Well done my friend
if you jump with them as john (faster than you did) john says “uh…chelonia”
Great video as always.
Btw fun fact "Cheolna" actually means turtle in Greek.
Modern greek or ancient greek
Modern
*Chelona
The way Arthur fell off his horse at 13:17🤣🤣🤣
This game has really made it hard for me to enjoy other open world games... the graphics, gameplay and interactions with NPC’s are unmatched
Gameplay? It's a glorified rail shooter with pretty looting animations. NPC interaction? "Greet" or "Antagonize". Graphics are great tho.
@@wiwysova like I said unmatched
@@wiwysova L
@@steele_heart77 N
@wiwysova have to disagree with ya but to each there own. The world is so well made, packed full of secrets and things to do. Plus greeting or antagonising is still more interaction with every npc than most games allow you (shoot or ignore) but if you don't enjoy it fair on you.
GOD, it'd be so creepy if in playthroughs where Mary's little brother died, he "respawned" as an npc cult member/one of them for John Marston!
Are you always this antagonistic sir?
Low-honor Arthur:You wanna find out?
Last time I saw Anders I made sure he reached Chelonia…😂
“Would you throw your wife off a cliff? No? Well, we can fix that!”
Honestly the entire cult is honestly hilarious
lmao I cant see how people take this shit serious. Like how do you not break down laughing when your talking about a suicidal turtle cult
literally honestly, honestly literally
@@samsizer2919 honestly tho
non facetiously, they fill me with glee
Most are
*pokes a turtle with a stick*
I guess you could make a religion out of this
FIHZY KEEPS COMIN THRU WITH THESE BANGERS
4:22 | "What do I dream about? What do I love?"
"Uhh...."
"Turtles! Yeah, turtles, I mean- yeah, turtles..."
4:39 | "T U R T L E S !"
I gotta admit, this is by far the best channel I've found about RDR2. The detail is incridible! So that sort of a double handshake I suppose, 1 to you and 1 to the developers for making such an indepth story. The casual player could easily brush over these things, but the persistent player such as yourself can uncover a treasure trove of hidden secrets.
Which is why I believe RDR2 is an absolute masterpiece of gaming. and we're priveledged to have you making videos about it.
Keep it coming! you're doing a fantastic job! 😀
This channel and the Strange Man Channel has some great content and explore the variety of random or established events.
Can you do a re-visited video about Josia Trelawny? It's hard to find good videos about him and what happens to him after the main story
He's a con man and not really a known member of the gang. He peaceful left and got back to his family in Saint Denis.
I've been back to Trelawny's house in Saint Denis during the epilogue, and he's not there anymore. During the main story Arthur would rattle his door and say 'Trelawny? You in there?' or something like that, but John doesn't do anything. I know this because I'm on the epilogue and went to Saint Denis as John just to see if I could trigger something with Trelawny but nothing happened, so I'd say that Trelawny doesn't live in the area after the main story 👍
@@JammyGit I'm not sure about that. As there's an event where Trelawney asks Arthur not to mention his family after he visits his house, so where he lives is a secret from the gang, John wouldn't check if Trelawney lives there as he doesn't know he lives There.
Trelawney not answering Arthur might indicate his family leaves after he leaves the gang so no one can find him, might. But I don't know.
@@JammyGit you can have the same encounter as John at his house if you don't as Arthur
@@chineseobama6043 I don't know if that's true or not, but I'm just going on my current play through as of a couple of days ago.
If the previous comment is correct then I can't see that John would experience the same thing as Arthur if he didn't go to Trelawny's house. It doesn't make sense.
Did you do this in the epilogue yourself?
i feel really bad but when i first played this i started laughing when he was pointing the gun at himself
The Chad Chelonialism vs the virgin epsilon cult
I remember as a kid I used to hate reading in game notes but over the last 10 years since graphics have improved and everything looks amazing i find myself searching for notes in every nook and cranny in RDR2 and every other game now days. I love written lore now days I find it festinating
"Great teachings of our Master ... And Preparation for the Great Journey"
im getting Halo PTSD here..
I fuckin love you (no homo)
If you run off the cliff with john. He will scream celonia too
- I love how he runs right away, just knows there is no reasoning with you and no matter what if he lets you close, you are taking him home no discussion. totally shows he for sure knows and understands you, and gets that running is his best hope.
What’s cool is that if you jump off the cliff as John along with the rest of the chelonians, John actually will yell “CHELONIAAA” as he falls, the same as the other members
It always annoys me in this game-- most of the campfires look ridiculously small and weak, and most of the characters are sittin' like a full on foot and a half back from the damn thing!
Ii
i like how this game demonstrates that cheloniasm, lemoyne raiders, the van der linde gang, they are all the same, groups of people, lying to themselves about their purpose.
North America is called the turtle continent by various Native Americans
Arthur: you’d fall for that?
Jamie: yes, quite literally
Thoughts on the n word
the shell of safety scoot they do always makes me chuckle
You should do a video on the Grays, Braithwaites, and Brontes gang.
Yes, please!!! They're still a a gang
When Arthur talks to Jamie and tells him to put the gun down, you can hear he truly cares about him
It has occurred to me that bullshit of safety and then jumping off the cliff's edge is metaphorically similar to Dutch's proclamations and his downfall.
I thought that Chelonia spokesman in the park was gonna try to sell us a spot in a Vault Tec vault.
“A better future: …VAULT TEC.” 😂
Twist ending: the most faithful of the cult are reincarnated as teenage mutant ninja turtles after they jump off the cliff....the rest are reincarnated as candy company executives and created the turtles brand of chocolates
Whenever Fizhy uploads a new video I always form a shell of safety to truly enjoy it
I have a couple of theories that maybe you guys wanna tinker with after endlessly searching for what I think is a way to unlock another secret about the chelonians. Firstly if you inspect the corpses of the fallen chelonians the one in the turtle shell is labeled master and one of the others is labeled chelonian while the rest just say stranger which makes me wonder if there’s a significance to those two bodies. You can carry both corpses on your horse with no bounty or reports of any kind from anyone who sees you carrying them around (I’d recommend bringing a spare horse to carry both bodies). I’ve tried taking them to the hill home hoping to unlock something but after hearing you read the pamphlet I noticed the passage about evil women and birds of prey and there’s a witches cauldron which you can drink from only one time. The cabin is full of herbivore bait and you can use that to lure rams nearby into the tent and use the lasso to sacrifice them rather than shoot them if you wear cover scent. I think a mask may be required. Also we have two bodies and two known UFOs which we all know must mean there’s a third. Inn wondering if taking one body to one location as an offering or something may unlock another ufo or possibly taking the master to the cauldron and drinking the brew may unlock something. Has anyone tried or noticed any of this stuff? The pamphlet also talks about swimming during the wrong moon and there’s a pond outside one of the UFO locations as well as mentioning the frozen north which is where the second UFO can be found. I think it’s worth tinkering with but the chances of one person figuring out the exact variables to unlock something is slim. We’d need a lot of people trying different things like masks or perhaps bringing an alligator snapping turtle to the chelonians to see if that might do something? What do you think?
What did I learn from this video? Arthur loves turtles.
When I jumped as John he yelled "Chelonia!"
I respawned down the road with full cores and full health lol
A cult can also be ideological. Not strictly religious. Want an example? Twitter
ah yes, twatter
@@Fizhy as soon as I saw you had a twitter I un-watched all your videos
@@LulJim I doubt he cares
@@pizzamozzarella2786 damn bruh ain’t no way you missed that dumbass joke
i havent seen anyone else comment on it but i like how one of the "do you get scared when you see a _" is "cripple"
saw a guy with a limp and got scared
saw a lady in a wheelchair and pissed my pants immediately
The Pamphlet sounds like it is written with prediction words from a smartphone keyboard and later on adjusted, edited and modified by the dev team in places where necessary.
OMG YES
still can't believe so.many re-visits (coincidentally after I asked in stream, fizhy read it and I almost passed out lmfao)
I legitimately shrieked upon the notification hahaha
"i really hope that youve enjoyed" man i dont think ive ever finished a fizhy video and thought, "man that was awful" or even "meh", always satisfied
If you jump with them as John he will also yell chelinia.
The music in this mission is beautiful
*kills crazy cultists
“Hmm I wonder if there was something to this whole turtle shell theory…”
*proceeds to ignite Molotov for good measure
I mean... blue and white robes is clearly a reference to the cult from GTA, right? Same as the time travel stranger.
It was mighty nice of you to send that feller to Chelonia at the end.
Don’t think they worship turtles outright. If you know about certain “old” religious practices. You’ll find that “magic squares” exist as powerful symbols/tools for certain peoples. Turtles naturally display a “magic square” on their back/shell pattern. It’s considered powerful and a conduit of sorts. See ancient Asian practices that believe in dropping coins in empty turtle shells to promote financial luck, they’re also common throughout the Middle East in Islamic, Christian and Jewish traditions.
Interesting stuff. Look it up
Just four turtle bois and their big eared, rat face master.
3 playthroughs and I've never see the dude by the fire. Unreal
Hardly. Your grasp of reality must be pretty tenuous
im amazed after all the hours i put into this game, all the analysis videos, all the reddit posts, and there's still something i never knew existed. i've never seen that Chelonian guy in the Valentine's hotel before. what a remarkable game.
1:52 Not too important but this is the first encounter with a chelonian in the game. *proceeds to delete him from existence.*
Arthur and the gang has no right to make fun of chelonians. He’s just as deluded and lost as they are.
😂😂😂
I'm way behind the times, but I'm really enjoying these videos. Been listening to them at work for a couple weeks now.
Fiz never disappoints his videos. #GoTurtles
#GoTurtles is the best #
this video turned me into a CHELONIAN
Every rdr2 video you make is always a banger 🙌🏼🙌🏼
If I could repurpose words of great wisdom for this:
Anyone who trades freedom for safety deserves neither, and shall lose both.
This is what I love about this game, it could have easily been a one off thing, and then they go above and beyond to make it tie in later on. Great job rockstar
13:17 best way to arrive at any place
Was hoping to hear John yell “CHELONIA!”
✊🏾 turtles!
He does if you jump with them
So basically Chelonianism is early Mormonism, only weirder and with turtles.
Chelonian: join me Arthur: starts heading for the door
12:11 they gave them everything they had and followed them off a cliff? sounds like arthurs death "i gave you everything i had" before he launches into heaven off that cliff.
I find it funny the connection between the cholines and the van der Lin gang at the end
There ain’t no shame in looking for a better world.
Anyone notice anders looks like kernal sanders when arthur meets him but the strange man when john meets him maybe symbolizing arthur is the good and john is the evil since they where technically brothers
Fihzy I really applaud this long con of yours to get 2 vids on the same subject one longer and one shorter length. You sir are a innovator of our time. The algorithim won't be able to keep up with your genius.
I’m not hating, but with all these re-visited videos, he’s mainly just inserting in full scenes of the game and throwing up theories. At some point there’s got to be a realization that the majority of these re-visited videos serve little to no purpose but to increase a subscriber base because RDR is his most successful content. I’m just surprised on how people are still watching this as if there’s a bunch of new information to be discovered.
@@ar6assassin913 it's important to note that many people probably haven't found all of this Info before, some might kit have even played or finished the le gthy game. I've played through the story twice and he still surprises me. It's all up to what you already know, as with all educational/exploration content like this.
Maybe these Chelonians believe the earth is a giant flying turtle 🐢 🌎
Like in Discworld?
I’m pretty sure I remember seeing somewhere that if you run and jump off the cliff after them instead instead of falling, John will scream with them 💀
KIFFLOM. er , I mean... CHELONIAAAaaaaa - - splat.
A delightful looking cliff shall be the name of my ranch
just woke up to another gem of a video, thanks Fizhy!
Legend Fizhy, keep the vids coming! Enjoying the playthrough of LA Noire too
The guy preaching about Chelonia, sounds like something that would be on Rick and Morty...
The blue robes are kind of a baby blue...just like the Epsilon uniform
Ironic how Arthur gets on to Jaime for being in a cult and giving them money despite his own gang basically being one
The Chelonians take "If someone told you to jump off a cliff would you" literally.
"This is the first encounter of the Chelonias"
Also him: "AND THE LAST"
It sounds like whoever wrote that pamphlet needed a new wife.