I love the instant compassion between Rains Fall and Arthur. Rains Fall is a man who has seen many people senselessly killed, but understands that killers are still people, while Arthur is a man who has senselessly killed before, but understands his past foolishness and understands how Rains Fall is a brave leader despite his lack of violence.
@@bosunbill9059 Rains Fall's position is one that is really just tragic. He was forced into war at a young age, where he lost and had his entire family aside from his youngest son murdered. He tried to stop the war by making peace, but that just ended up with his people being worse off and not fighting back.
@@cydude5856 naive people don't know when they being invaded, they just have females and weak males screaming "racist" at you when you try to defend yourself in time...
@@bosunbill9059 Yo anime profile pic, they weren't tricked, they were shot, raped, and murdered, with their animals being hunted to extinction in an open attempt at genocide (read quotes from colonels about why they decided to hunt bison to near-extinction). Then they were given treaties they _had_ to sign out of desperation, and the colonizers _still_ broke said treaties. It's all shit. Just murky, wet shit. And I hate to think about it.
He served his nation bravely just for his superiors high on their own ego to brand him as a traitor. Were it not for Arthur overhearing & the natives he fought to protect, he would’ve hanged for nothing.
@@jackp.richardson6415 Trying to do the right thing only to be buried under bullshit from your superiors, who are likely making money off the objective wrongdoing being brought to light. A true American tradition.
Absolutely agree! One of the scenes that really broke my heart. Rains Fall's probably knew that his son would die. (At least that's what I think). Just imagine watching your son ride to their doom.
13:29 This shows exactly what a type of person Dutch is. He mocks one of his oldest friends, a man who he raised as his son. What a shame Arthur didn't see it earlier.
I think that fact wasn’t lost on Arthur, but compared to John who though Dutch just became his true self Arthur though Dutch went astray with Micah whispering in his ear
I do think Dutch did care about Arthur and the others in the early chapter’s but because of his greed combined with a head injury along with Micah manipulating him kinda changed him in away it brought out what he really was an uncaring outlaw he then just turned away from everyone he trusted and only ever trusted Micah in the end and as he says Arthur was like a brother to him he ended up stabbing him in the back over and over again when he wouldn’t listen and by the time he had realised what he had done when confronting Arthur on the hill at the end of the game it was too late and all he could do was just walk away and probably just watch Arthur die on that hill I’m guessing he kinda lost it afterwards as seen in rdr1 and just decided to be a true outlaw since there was no turning back for him
I think Dutch saw what he lost when he went with the Hosea plan fot the bank, which he clearly doubted, and it went wrong. The result was he double downed on his narcissistic, solipsistic ego and the whole thing went off the rails.
A snake crawled into the garden, poisoning him. Not just any snake, but the snakiest of snakes lol . Plus, he lost his counterbalance in Hosea. Also, he took a blow to the head; otherwise, Dutch may have remained the great man he at least appeared to be before that. Like Sadie said, he wasn't the same man that wrapped that blanket around her after her O'driscolls incident. I honestly missed that he maybe got brain damage in my 1st playthrough, as it all just seems like the natural evolution for Dutch. And they don't show enough of him struggling with mental clarity or what have you. Sorry so long.
It's the 3rd person view Arthur needed to see of how Dutch manipulates other vulnerable people to realise what he'd done to the gang the whole time. Countless minions killed expendably due to Dutch's grand schemes designed to serve his own self-interest.
Yeah he’s a narcissist he showed his true self in chapter six he literally left Arthur to die in the factory showing he sees Arthur as expendable and is a loose end with all his doubting
How to get high honour in the epilogue. Valentine station. The park in Saint Denis. And the station in Annesburg. Stupid ammount of honour gained by talking to someone
The Wapiti story missions do add darkness to the already depressing chapter 6. The whole athmosphere makes me just want to skip the whole chapter. But heck, it's still the most touching part of the story.
The missions with the wapiti were my favorite on my first play through. Seeing how the game shows just a glimpse of the reality natives went through and how Arthur reacts to both them and the actions of his gang.
if you like native americans id suggest watching the movie “dances with wolves” its about an army lieutenant in the civil war who becomes friends with the nearby tribe and its an amazing movie.
@@Jul_Vy_Mdama I’d say now things are lax, but I’m up in Canada working under treaties from years ago back from the Indian Act, whereas British Columbia has instilled modern treaties, but then again; we have the situation of mass graves. So yea, it is to an extent, but progress has definitely been made.
It made me sad too. It seemed to me he might have been suffering from the early stages of dementia. He doesn't really know why he's there and his son is long dead, but he's there for his son... Either that or he's searching trying to find meaning in life again. Either way, it's very sad.
Rains Fall was such a good guy who really got a bad hand through the story. I can't help but feel bad for him as not only does he lose his entire family through his only son being killed thanks to Dutch's actions, but the reservation as well come the end of the game.
@@ANNEKE1999 Oh yes, I knew that, I suppose I should've worded it as his only son left alive. Poor guy lost his entire family by the end of the game...
@@mundanephysics521 This was the part of the story that made me so goddamn sad. Rains Fall was not an outlaw or a bad person, he just wanted peace for his people. And all he got was grief.
Also fun fact. I always thought Rains Fall resembled Tupac Amaru II. Leader of the his indigenous rebellion of Peru. Supposed last descendant of the original Incan emperor Tupac Amaru I. He was martyr for pushing Peru and all of Latin America into warring against Spain for independence. At least the hat on Rains Fall adds that Tupac look into him.
As a Lakota, I gotta say I feel the plight of my Ancestors at the time was respectfully done whilst maintaining the truth of the era. It was heartbreaking for me to see, not gonna lie, but it was supposed to be.
I'm sorry for the past, but hopefully the future holds cooperation and understanding rather than more pain. There's so much different cultures could learn from each other.
I dont even distantly know how things were about your people cause im from Germany but i think one Problem between settlers and Natives was that the natives didnt have a government to represent them against the fully politicised American people , i hope i havent portrayed anything wrong with this.
@@anonymusug727 no. Its the fact that native americans literally went from millions to just a few tribes left with. And even with 95% of them dead from european diseases they still gave fkn battles still talked about today. Battles wich even sound fantastical. A strong and hardy people. I am scandinavian but i mostly study my own peoples history and yet i still get to learn about native americans since we were in america for 400 years uninterrupted while trading and living next to native americans Skrællingr was the name we gave the people as it means "small folk" Likely because the old norse were units. Or rather we are units but thats treading into anthropology My own ancestors didnt even distinguish between inuit and mainland people wich i find a bit hilarious. If native americans werent destroyed by disease the americas would be their lands still. First of all. You cant fight millions of people by sailing there. Especially when you realise they have no great forts or specific places they stayed. We would never have won just like when the norse were kicked out of the americas the natives are simply way too numerous even if Scandinavians at this point had established martial arts for war and were highly trained to combat other humand and had steel axes and swords of pretty high quality. It made no difference. 400 years of settlement and thriving didnt even make a dent to the native americans. (The norse problaby even married into alot of natives and vice versa as 400 years is more than enough for that) the true victory for the post Columbus settlements was their own resistance to diseases and the natives lack of it. (I know some diseases went the other way too. But seeing as there were always new folk arriving it was just a waiting game)
@@anonymusug727 I believe your opinion has truth in it. Its a piece machine that overcame the Native Americans. The technological, industrial, and population advantage of the settlers couldnt be defeated. They fought back bravely and they should have. Their way of life was in danger. They tried to adapt by learning to ride horses and becoming execellent riders and riflemen. A lot gained arms and tried to be peaceful and trade and live cooperatively. In the end the American government couldnt have another entity within its borders, so they were eventually ground to where they are today. Its a true tragedy of what humans do to each other when pushed to the brink.
@@anonymusug727 doesnt matter our ancestors stole America from the Native this is sad i never feel in my place here in Canada ...Well what can i do now i support our Natives and respect them
I cried when Rains Fall was trying to stop his people from war "As your chief I implore you" "Your words mean nothing to me father" "Don't... stop please... stop" This interaction came from a man with desperation and disbelief. At that moment he felt like everything was out of his control and no one listened even his own son. It hurts and it hurts worse during the fall of his son and the epilogue. The man who did everything in his power to stop his people from extinction only to lose it all. He had more wisdom than anyone else and his words should be remembered forever.
@@shaheerthekhan both ways. It is actually terrifying how many people survived Native American attacks (including being scalped) and vice versa like it was just an ordinary thing. Same thing with the people that committed these atrocities upon the native Americans. Imagine committing these atrocities and then having to live with the guilt of knowing that future generations will hate you because you’re the tool of the state that has to risk your life for shit treatment and shit pay.
The last chapter is mad depressing, Arthur getting terminally Ill, the gang falling apart, Dutch loosing his mind and to top it all off seeing the destruction of a proud Native American tribe
I'd like to believe this happened before Arthur rescues Archie Downes from the mines. Arthur must have seen himself in Rains Fall, trying to hold his "tribe" together while Dutch goes out of his way to commit more high-profile crimes which lead to their gang's disbandment.
As an aside, in the mission where you retrieve the talisman from the army for Rains Fall, you can sneak in and take it without hurting any of the men. When Rains Fall asks if anyone was hurt, Arthur says no, and as a thank you, Rains Fall gives him a trinket (I think it's an owl feather) which is a unique item. If memory serves, it reduces his stamina drain quite a bit. More importantly though, I prefer playing it that way to honour the request and respect Rains Fall's wishes.
your doing it the rtight way is the reason. Killing the soliders just gives more reason to the army, not killing the soliders makes it so now the army seems unreasonable (if the press didnt lie) and at the very least, provides deniability to any lies of savagery.
i did too, got spotted as i was taking the items back, i just made a run for it back up the hill. no one got hurt and i was able to get the trinket from Rains Fall
God damn, after what they done to the sacred place might just kill them. So i did. it doesnt matter if the army in the camp die or live. That bastard Favour is gonna take their land no matter what.
The epilogue scene where you meet Rains Falls was brutal. That shot of him walking onto the train, a broken, confused old man is one of my favourite moments in the whole game. And by favourite, I mean it was heartbreaking.
Casting Graham Greene as Rain’s Fall was a top notch casting by Rockstar which feels like there thing after previous top notch castings from previous games like with GTA. The plight of the Indians has been going on way past this point if you know your American history with the Native Americans it’s not a great history that should be explored more.
Whats funny is ive been told by elders from a few different tribes that reservation was one of the worst things done to the natives. Maybe there were better options we couldve made
The native Americans were given a raw deal at literally every turn sadly. And their plight and suffering Really doesn't get as much attention as it should, and not much was done to rectify what happened
yes indeed. I encourage anyone who reads this to take the time to listen to some native people about their history, and the treatment they've received from the government. Growing up in Oklahoma, I've been fortunate enough to know many native people, and one of my best friends is Choctaw. The shit that even he has had to deal with in the modern day is nothing short of disgusting, and shameful. I have nothing but love, and solidarity with native Americans fighting for equity, and justice for what has been done to them for generations.
"not a great history that should be explored more"... is the very reason that native american history SHOULD be STUDIED and TAUGHT in schools... we still want our land back...
He probably saw his young self in Eagle Flies, and the father figure he always wanted in Rains Fall, and got pissed off not only because of how royally screwed over the natives were being for no reason, but also because he wished Dutch, his actual father figure, would've shown the same amount of concern for him now and when he was growing up
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9:56 i like how Rockstar was foreshadowing and planting the seeds for the Wapiti plot line as early as Chapter 1. That’s a detail you wouldn’t pick up on during your first playthough.
To me this was the best part of RDR2. Rockstar has masterfully woven history into a story of manipulation, deceit and redemption. The way it was setup and culminated into the mission "My Last Boy" where it's Cowboys and Indians charging against the new America, can't get any more poetic than that. So many emotions from goosebumps, hype, anger at Dutch's betrayal to crying towards the end at Eagle Flies' death. To hell with Game of the Year, this is Game of the Century
The Wapiti people reminds me of just how well Rockstar handled these historical tragedies. From hearing what Lenny goes through in Rhodes to this storyline they mirrored a part of real life history while still keeping both respect and reverence to the actual events and having it fit well into the overall narrative. This game is a masterpiece for many reasons.
I’ve watched several of your RDR2 videos, and this video here is by far my favorite one. Thank you for making this. My prayers go out to all the Native American children who were forcibly taken away from their families and sent to the boarding schools throughout America and Canada. May the souls of these children find peace. 🙏🏽
Through these entire missions all I could think was "I need a wapiti single player dlc....I wanna help them more!!" I was so hoping Charles would mention how they are doing in the epilogue
This! Charles mentions sometime that he is half native american from his mother's side, and you occasionally see him wearing (traditional?) jewelry (and I've seen him in face paint but I don't remember where this would have happened). He probably identifies with these people and he's like the only one who is strongly insistent on helping them as Arthur needs quite a bit of convincing in the beginning. I found it really nice to see more depth in Charles character this way, and I choose to believe he's in contact with them after game events bc he also went to Canada :3
The wapitis men are basically all dead. The rest including rain falls fles to Canada because there's bigger Reservations there and they basically get left alone for the most part.
Man, such a sad story. I completely forgot to check the newspapers in my most recent playthrough, so I appreciate you going through those here. Thanks for another thorough analysis/explanatory video!
Honestly his is the best mission in the entire game. The chief’s speech trying to stop his son is just so devastating. I’m glad we got to see even a sliver of their struggle, I wish there was more storylines for more tribes of the area
man this quest-line was so epic and I loved doing it with Charles, but in the same breath it's so heart-breaking watching The Wapiti lose what little "freedom" they still had
That scene where the chief pleads with his son to not go off and die uselessly always brings a tear to me. Props to the actor who played the chief. I felt the sorrow, the desperation, and the desire behind those words.
The greatest lesson we can take from this entire game is not to just keep apologizing for past sins and grouping all people as bad or good, it is to not repeat history and look at everything with discrepancy.
Very true. We must look ar history with wisdom and discernment. People aren't totally good or totally bad. Choices are made that impact either negatively or positively. We must look at history, learn from it, and try not to repeat the bad parts (even though we probably will).
The whole segment of Chapter 6 with the Indians/Native Americans and Dutch manipulating them made him see how easy it is which plays further into it during RDR1.
Stuff actually happened to indigenous Americans. I've been on a few reservations when my father played in a band for social events. It was weird for me to be there as a kid I can't imagine what those other kids were thinking.
There's a book by Joseph M Marshall called The Journey of Crazy Horse: A Lakota History. It discusses the Lakota people from a first hand perspective. Lots of the RDR2 storyline seems to borrow parts from Crazy Horse's story. I listened to it as an audiobook and it had a marked effect on my life. Well worth checking out.
Started a new playthrough today because of your channel, hadn't really played the game since 2 years and even though it's my 4 playthrough since i got the game ,it feels new. But i started only to play again because your videos reminded me how great this game was and i love every minute of red dead, it's a throwback to a time where things were easier for me then know and godam i have missed these characters. To make it short thank you
The part about the young being tired of the ineffective diplomatic way reminds me of Corsica and many other autonomist/independantist nations and movement currently who have settled down prove their projects to be very popular within their people and still get no kind of respect whatsoever
8:18 this line has always stuck with me, because Arthur basically just told that guy “I’ll beat the brains out of your skull if you don’t give me what I want”, but his calm tone and his phrasing somehow make him *more* intimidating than if he had just bluntly stated it. That cold-blooded malice doesn’t show up often (in a high honor play through at least), but every scene where Arthur lets that side of himself show is absolutely excellent.
The early conversation with Charles, where he talks about how in spite of Dutch's speeches, they are killers and thieves all the same. But what always confused me was, why is Charles part of it then? I know he doesn't want to be on his own anymore, but surely someone with as good a heart as his doesn't need to fall in with bandits.
My theory would be that he found a family in the gang, Charles is mixed African American and Native American, basically at the time, the person with the least rights out of any people group in the US, he wouldn’t be welcome in society like others and that’s why he stuck with the gang, he may not enjoy the lifestyle but at least he is treated as good as any other member
He saw them as family. He was half black, half Native and resourceful and intelligent but that was during a time where people didn't like people of his skin color and he was DOA trying to live on his own. Most gangs it was people riding with each other but Dutch's gang cared for one another and they all respected Charles (except Micah obviously) and Arthur would end up being his best friend.
@@MrOgge50 he also probably had a bounty on him at that point so it’s not like he could live a normal life that easily. He had 2 options: ride solo or ride with his newfound family and he chose the latter.
Very sad, but for those who don't know... when rain falls asks you to get the sacred item back, if you don't kill people he will gift you a dream catcher which is pretty cool.
I genuinely almost cried when i met rains fall in the epilogue he used to be someone who led people to be peaceful and not to be aggressive but now he was lost and broken by his sons death
For new people here, when he sends you in the camp. Do not attack or kill anyone. Sneak in, grab and run. They won't chase far at all. It's easy to do and worth.
@@Edgemasterfrthey actually won't even notice you if you slowly approach the wagon on your horse. I got the medicine without even alerting them. As for the camp you can literally sprint in and just take it. Still get the trinket.
When Dutch found out Arthur was helping the Natives it made it clear in his mind that Arthur was the traitor. Crazy and when Arthur said in his dying words that Micah was the rat it just made him go silent. In his last moments Arthur kept saying he wasn't the rat. Dutch just couldn't face it how his son was really only trying to the gang before dying. I love this game 🍻
Unrelated but this moment 34:35 when Charles doesn’t have to hear Arthur say anything he just knows somethings wrong gets me. Because we start out the game with Arthur plainly stating “We ain’t never really talked, you and me.” And now they’re confidants in each other to this point it’s, it’s just a beautiful shot and animation.
Something I thought about that I'd like someone to double check me on real quick. A common theme for the gang being able to flip their scores, is that they are usually able to get ".50 cents on the dollar" meaning they get half of the original scores worth. When hosea tells Arthur the total money gotten from the bonds stolen in the first capture, where the letter from the oil company was detailing a 2k payment was needed, he said he managed to get 1k for them. That means that possibly the bonds were worth 2k, meaning it's highly possibly that train was headed to the oil company to give them payment for the phase 2. Does that mean the Van Der Linde gang might have accidentally stalled the exploration, and consequential inquisition of the wapiti land?
I couldn’t help but notice with that letter found on the train in chapter 2, It seems that Cornwall only had the leyland development company do the first phase of diligence. At that point in the story Cornwall had not yet paid them to continue testing to see if there was indeed oil on the wapiti land. I wonder Cornwall was so consumed with greed that he outright failed to pay the leyland development company and started the events of chapter six despite there being no oil reserves to begin with.
Love your work. Watched this whole thing and just about fucking cried. A fictional story but it really humanizes the struggles of natives over the history of this nation. And on the heels of the Supreme Court now fucking with Tribal sovereignty over this bad abortion business, this shameful story continues even today.
It’s getting worse for indigenous people. We’re seeing the possibility of ICWA- the Indian Child Welfare Act, which aims to preserve native families together after the United States government was separating, stealing, and trafficking our babies for decades because of the abortion business. RDR2 is the only game I’ve seen cover our struggles, and our plight as indigenous people of the US historically accurate, not feed into stereotypes, and show our history in truth, grace & for what it is- decades of struggle, assimilation & violence perpetrated against us.
@@celestialchronic3572you have it better than indigenous in Canada and Australia. Talk about your crooked government, DV and rapid drinking and drug use. The Native government can make everything better for you but they don’t
Some of my favorite scenes are from the section of Rains Fall and Arthur going across the mountains. Seeing such beautiful scenery and hearing native flutes and instruments in the background is such a calming and peaceful moment, standing in dark contrast to the current situation.
Goddamn Fizhy; your content has always been good but it seems like you get better and better with every new video you drop, and judging by the number of videos you’ve dropped recently you’ve been working your ass off. And every video is concise and hella informative. Thanks again for your hard work and keep up the good shit dude.
You’re videos are top notch, I’m a middle aged man that came back to video games because of Red Dead 2. It’s the most amazing masterpiece I’ve ever seen.
I just have a feeling charles went to canada to join the wapiti tribe and officially become one of them eventually starting a family and doing what john could not and go to be a family man and probably rains fall in his death bed name him the new chief
I’m super late to this but… As a Native American living on a reservation (Northern Arapaho), this really hits hard in a good way. The Red Dead series is one of my favorite games, and the Redemption saga made me love the Van Der Linde gang because they were outlaws in their time, not only in action but also in their views.
The actor who plays Rains Fall is just outstanding the anguish in his voice just breaks my heart. I get so irate listening to Dutch scheme right in front of everyone’s faces I despise him more than Micah in those moments.
i find it really interesting that if you sneak past the guards to get the stolen goods without killing everyone, Rains Fall will praise you for not unnecessarily harming anyone. it shows that despite the fact that the army are bad people he still recognises them as people. he doesn’t want them to die the same way he doesn’t want his son to die. eagle flies as a disgruntled young man feels that he like anyone else can die a hero, and he, almost narcissistically, includes his own people in that philosophy, not recognising this will lead to their end.
@@D0nnyy Yes but if you stay too long there will be natives that will be hostile towards you. Also they might not be hostile, but I did kidnapp a lawman there so that could have something to do with them either spawning or being hostile. I don't know as I havn't redone this ever
It's sad to say that the natives in this game aren't too different at all compared to real life. They both suffered greatly and their populations diminished by greedy damn settlers taking what they want. This hits too close as I'm Navajo and my people suffered as much as the other tribes...
if you sneak in and out without violence, you get a boost of honor and extra dialog where Rains Fall thanks you for your gentleness and reflects on how even violent men still have lives, and lives are all sacred.
@@ANNEKE1999 there actually isn't anyone patrolling the open entrance to the camp, so you can quickly maneuver your way through if you make sure to cover your back and watch their line of sights.
Rains Fall is probably one of my favorite characters in the game, his plight is one that only strong men can handle and he is brave knowing that fighting wont help his people.
These stories about the Indigenous people are based off of REAL EVENTS that led to Indians being kicked out of THEIR land sometimes just for nothing but land and not obaying by a treaty. Sometimes we need to realize to not repeat the past and to not be corrupt, it could solve many problems.
44:53 I love sadie she literally only stays and rides with Morgan’s only! 💯❤️ tbh he was the only one that beside maybe a few but he was the only one that genuinely cared about her feelings! And also Charles too 👊🏽
I’m so glad that the makers of rdr2 didn’t shy away from telling the truth, about what happened with the First Nation Tribes North America. Another reason this game is by far my favourite
@Fizhy there is a similar looking grave to Eagle Flies' grave in the hills just north-east of Fort Riggs...I've always wondered whether that was the grave of Rains Fall's eldest son, who got his head smashed in by a drunken soldier? Maybe the Indians that were slaughtered at Fort Riggs were Wapiti, perhaps more of the cut content dealt with that story and Rains Fall's other son's death?
The whole Wapiti arc was just...heartbreaking. I so wanted to give Rains Fall a hug. Had Arthur been given a choice in the matter, he should've spent his last days amongst them.😢
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"Do not mistake my strength for weakness" is my favorite quote from the game. Rains Fall is one of my top 5 characters from it as well.
Yo didn’t Conor McGregor say this too lol
Agent Milton has a pretty similar quote to this in Fleeting Joy
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Graham greene is a great actor I'm glad they got him for the roll he lives in my hometown humble guy
The story of the Wapiti tribe makes me want to cry. On its own it's extremely compelling & draws significant parallels to the real world.
I love the instant compassion between Rains Fall and Arthur. Rains Fall is a man who has seen many people senselessly killed, but understands that killers are still people, while Arthur is a man who has senselessly killed before, but understands his past foolishness and understands how Rains Fall is a brave leader despite his lack of violence.
I felt Bronte's quote apply perfectly for Rainfall : "Whoever is stupid enough to get tricked by Americans get what they deserved."
@@bosunbill9059 Rains Fall's position is one that is really just tragic. He was forced into war at a young age, where he lost and had his entire family aside from his youngest son murdered. He tried to stop the war by making peace, but that just ended up with his people being worse off and not fighting back.
@@bosunbill9059 alot of twisted irony im that quote
@@cydude5856 naive people don't know when they being invaded, they just have females and weak males screaming "racist" at you when you try to defend yourself in time...
@@bosunbill9059 Yo anime profile pic, they weren't tricked, they were shot, raped, and murdered, with their animals being hunted to extinction in an open attempt at genocide (read quotes from colonels about why they decided to hunt bison to near-extinction). Then they were given treaties they _had_ to sign out of desperation, and the colonizers _still_ broke said treaties.
It's all shit. Just murky, wet shit. And I hate to think about it.
captain monroe has got to be one of the most honorable characters in the game
He served his nation bravely just for his superiors high on their own ego to brand him as a traitor. Were it not for Arthur overhearing & the natives he fought to protect, he would’ve hanged for nothing.
@@jackp.richardson6415 Trying to do the right thing only to be buried under bullshit from your superiors, who are likely making money off the objective wrongdoing being brought to light. A true American tradition.
@@brannoncody809sadly, it truly is one of our oldest traditions. Fucked up country we got, ain't it?
Monroe only wants whats right, he is the example of a pure man trying to fix a broken system.
I hope there were many men and women like him, helping the Indians. I headcanoned that he married an Indian woman
The sad thing is how this story about the natives isn't exaggerated at all
history of the "greatests" lands are always shady af
@@ilikepigeons6101 you put it in quotes like empires aren’t built on blood and bones everywhere.
@@GovernorRiffRaff yeah true true
@@GovernorRiffRaff His point still stands. America is just the lastest to spawn amongst a world built upon blood feuds.
To a certain extent, war and bloodshed shouldn’t marginalize the accomplishments of a nation.
Hearing the genuine pain in Rains Fall's voice as he tries to convince his son not to go off and fight is just... Top tier voice acting
And the GRIEF over the desecration of the site was heartbreaking to witness.
Absolutely agree! One of the scenes that really broke my heart. Rains Fall's probably knew that his son would die. (At least that's what I think). Just imagine watching your son ride to their doom.
Imagine how it would feel. Id rather put an arrow in my own sons arm to stop him from going to get killed then let him go. Get us all killed
13:29 This shows exactly what a type of person Dutch is. He mocks one of his oldest friends, a man who he raised as his son. What a shame Arthur didn't see it earlier.
Yep. His true self was only hidden behind the noble facade he had.
I think that fact wasn’t lost on Arthur, but compared to John who though Dutch just became his true self Arthur though Dutch went astray with Micah whispering in his ear
I do think Dutch did care about Arthur and the others in the early chapter’s but because of his greed combined with a head injury along with Micah manipulating him kinda changed him in away it brought out what he really was an uncaring outlaw he then just turned away from everyone he trusted and only ever trusted Micah in the end and as he says Arthur was like a brother to him he ended up stabbing him in the back over and over again when he wouldn’t listen and by the time he had realised what he had done when confronting Arthur on the hill at the end of the game it was too late and all he could do was just walk away and probably just watch Arthur die on that hill I’m guessing he kinda lost it afterwards as seen in rdr1 and just decided to be a true outlaw since there was no turning back for him
I think Dutch saw what he lost when he went with the Hosea plan fot the bank, which he clearly doubted, and it went wrong. The result was he double downed on his narcissistic, solipsistic ego and the whole thing went off the rails.
A snake crawled into the garden, poisoning him. Not just any snake, but the snakiest of snakes lol . Plus, he lost his counterbalance in Hosea. Also, he took a blow to the head; otherwise, Dutch may have remained the great man he at least appeared to be before that. Like Sadie said, he wasn't the same man that wrapped that blanket around her after her O'driscolls incident. I honestly missed that he maybe got brain damage in my 1st playthrough, as it all just seems like the natural evolution for Dutch. And they don't show enough of him struggling with mental clarity or what have you. Sorry so long.
It's the 3rd person view Arthur needed to see of how Dutch manipulates other vulnerable people to realise what he'd done to the gang the whole time. Countless minions killed expendably due to Dutch's grand schemes designed to serve his own self-interest.
Yeah he’s a narcissist he showed his true self in chapter six he literally left Arthur to die in the factory showing he sees Arthur as expendable and is a loose end with all his doubting
I feel so sad when you see him in the epilogue and he’s at the train station
I believe he came to visit his sons grave.
@@Gamfluent True, hopefully.
@@Gamfluent unfortunately, they were probably treated badly in Canada too
How to get high honour in the epilogue. Valentine station. The park in Saint Denis. And the station in Annesburg. Stupid ammount of honour gained by talking to someone
@@Gamfluent They were probably treated worse in canada tbh
The Wapiti story missions do add darkness to the already depressing chapter 6. The whole athmosphere makes me just want to skip the whole chapter. But heck, it's still the most touching part of the story.
The missions with the wapiti were my favorite on my first play through. Seeing how the game shows just a glimpse of the reality natives went through and how Arthur reacts to both them and the actions of his gang.
We still go through this, but in different fashions..
if you like native americans id suggest watching the movie “dances with wolves” its about an army lieutenant in the civil war who becomes friends with the nearby tribe and its an amazing movie.
@@sonofanarchy6254 I loved that movie
@@Jul_Vy_Mdama I’d say now things are lax, but I’m up in Canada working under treaties from years ago back from the Indian Act, whereas British Columbia has instilled modern treaties, but then again; we have the situation of mass graves. So yea, it is to an extent, but progress has definitely been made.
Weird it didn’t show the reality of native tribes conquering and enslaving other tribes…
Not gonna lie, I got teary in the epilogue where John's talking to Rains Fall when he mentions he doesn't really know why he's there
It made me sad too. It seemed to me he might have been suffering from the early stages of dementia. He doesn't really know why he's there and his son is long dead, but he's there for his son...
Either that or he's searching trying to find meaning in life again.
Either way, it's very sad.
Rains Fall was such a good guy who really got a bad hand through the story. I can't help but feel bad for him as not only does he lose his entire family through his only son being killed thanks to Dutch's actions, but the reservation as well come the end of the game.
I agree but Eagle Flies is not his only son but the last son who is still alive. Which makes it even more dramatic.
@@ANNEKE1999 Oh yes, I knew that, I suppose I should've worded it as his only son left alive. Poor guy lost his entire family by the end of the game...
@@mundanephysics521 This was the part of the story that made me so goddamn sad. Rains Fall was not an outlaw or a bad person, he just wanted peace for his people. And all he got was grief.
Also fun fact. I always thought Rains Fall resembled Tupac Amaru II. Leader of the his indigenous rebellion of Peru. Supposed last descendant of the original Incan emperor Tupac Amaru I. He was martyr for pushing Peru and all of Latin America into warring against Spain for independence. At least the hat on Rains Fall adds that Tupac look into him.
@@elperrodelautumo7511I'll have to look into that guy. Sounds like a fuckin chad of history.
As a Lakota, I gotta say I feel the plight of my Ancestors at the time was respectfully done whilst maintaining the truth of the era.
It was heartbreaking for me to see, not gonna lie, but it was supposed to be.
I'm sorry for the past, but hopefully the future holds cooperation and understanding rather than more pain. There's so much different cultures could learn from each other.
I dont even distantly know how things were about your people cause im from Germany but i think one Problem between settlers and Natives was that the natives didnt have a government to represent them against the fully politicised American people , i hope i havent portrayed anything wrong with this.
@@anonymusug727 no. Its the fact that native americans literally went from millions to just a few tribes left with. And even with 95% of them dead from european diseases they still gave fkn battles still talked about today. Battles wich even sound fantastical. A strong and hardy people.
I am scandinavian but i mostly study my own peoples history and yet i still get to learn about native americans since we were in america for 400 years uninterrupted while trading and living next to native americans
Skrællingr was the name we gave the people as it means "small folk"
Likely because the old norse were units. Or rather we are units but thats treading into anthropology
My own ancestors didnt even distinguish between inuit and mainland people wich i find a bit hilarious.
If native americans werent destroyed by disease the americas would be their lands still. First of all. You cant fight millions of people by sailing there. Especially when you realise they have no great forts or specific places they stayed.
We would never have won just like when the norse were kicked out of the americas the natives are simply way too numerous even if Scandinavians at this point had established martial arts for war and were highly trained to combat other humand and had steel axes and swords of pretty high quality.
It made no difference. 400 years of settlement and thriving didnt even make a dent to the native americans.
(The norse problaby even married into alot of natives and vice versa as 400 years is more than enough for that) the true victory for the post Columbus settlements was their own resistance to diseases and the natives lack of it. (I know some diseases went the other way too. But seeing as there were always new folk arriving it was just a waiting game)
@@anonymusug727 I believe your opinion has truth in it. Its a piece machine that overcame the Native Americans. The technological, industrial, and population advantage of the settlers couldnt be defeated. They fought back bravely and they should have. Their way of life was in danger. They tried to adapt by learning to ride horses and becoming execellent riders and riflemen. A lot gained arms and tried to be peaceful and trade and live cooperatively. In the end the American government couldnt have another entity within its borders, so they were eventually ground to where they are today. Its a true tragedy of what humans do to each other when pushed to the brink.
@@anonymusug727 doesnt matter our ancestors stole America from the Native this is sad i never feel in my place here in Canada ...Well what can i do now i support our Natives and respect them
I cried when Rains Fall was trying to stop his people from war
"As your chief I implore you"
"Your words mean nothing to me father"
"Don't... stop please... stop"
This interaction came from a man with desperation and disbelief. At that moment he felt like everything was out of his control and no one listened even his own son. It hurts and it hurts worse during the fall of his son and the epilogue. The man who did everything in his power to stop his people from extinction only to lose it all. He had more wisdom than anyone else and his words should be remembered forever.
When I saw this moment on my first playthrough I shed a tear. I had sympathized with Rains Fall the whole game just to see that
It's sad to know events like these happend and aren't talked about
not that bad bro
@@shaheerthekhan both ways. It is actually terrifying how many people survived Native American attacks (including being scalped) and vice versa like it was just an ordinary thing.
Same thing with the people that committed these atrocities upon the native Americans. Imagine committing these atrocities and then having to live with the guilt of knowing that future generations will hate you because you’re the tool of the state that has to risk your life for shit treatment and shit pay.
I mean, no shit. That’s kinda what the game was going for.
The scene with Rains Falls trying to stop the attack on the oil field always breaks my heart. He sounds so broken and defeated it just kills me
The last chapter is mad depressing, Arthur getting terminally Ill, the gang falling apart, Dutch loosing his mind and to top it all off seeing the destruction of a proud Native American tribe
I like how both Arthur and Rains Fall had the same line of "don't die for pride"
I'd like to believe this happened before Arthur rescues Archie Downes from the mines. Arthur must have seen himself in Rains Fall, trying to hold his "tribe" together while Dutch goes out of his way to commit more high-profile crimes which lead to their gang's disbandment.
As an aside, in the mission where you retrieve the talisman from the army for Rains Fall, you can sneak in and take it without hurting any of the men. When Rains Fall asks if anyone was hurt, Arthur says no, and as a thank you, Rains Fall gives him a trinket (I think it's an owl feather) which is a unique item. If memory serves, it reduces his stamina drain quite a bit. More importantly though, I prefer playing it that way to honour the request and respect Rains Fall's wishes.
your doing it the rtight way is the reason. Killing the soliders just gives more reason to the army, not killing the soliders makes it so now the army seems unreasonable (if the press didnt lie) and at the very least, provides deniability to any lies of savagery.
Actually, all you have to do is not kill. I charged in and punched everyone's lights out, and still got the trinket
I tried but screweed up and got spoted
i did too, got spotted as i was taking the items back, i just made a run for it back up the hill. no one got hurt and i was able to get the trinket from Rains Fall
God damn, after what they done to the sacred place might just kill them. So i did. it doesnt matter if the army in the camp die or live. That bastard Favour is gonna take their land no matter what.
The epilogue scene where you meet Rains Falls was brutal. That shot of him walking onto the train, a broken, confused old man is one of my favourite moments in the whole game. And by favourite, I mean it was heartbreaking.
42:55 Him crying out to his last son and the younger members of the tribe is heartbreaking.
this broke me more than arthur’s death, it’s just so sad :(
50:50 that little chuckle the Rain falls gives always gets me. He always saw the good in Arthur.
Casting Graham Greene as Rain’s Fall was a top notch casting by Rockstar which feels like there thing after previous top notch castings from previous games like with GTA.
The plight of the Indians has been going on way past this point if you know your American history with the Native Americans it’s not a great history that should be explored more.
Whats funny is ive been told by elders from a few different tribes that reservation was one of the worst things done to the natives.
Maybe there were better options we couldve made
@@jknott1509 real funny to a lackwit like you
The native Americans were given a raw deal at literally every turn sadly. And their plight and suffering Really doesn't get as much attention as it should, and not much was done to rectify what happened
yes indeed. I encourage anyone who reads this to take the time to listen to some native people about their history, and the treatment they've received from the government. Growing up in Oklahoma, I've been fortunate enough to know many native people, and one of my best friends is Choctaw. The shit that even he has had to deal with in the modern day is nothing short of disgusting, and shameful. I have nothing but love, and solidarity with native Americans fighting for equity, and justice for what has been done to them for generations.
"not a great history that should be explored more"... is the very reason that native american history SHOULD be STUDIED and TAUGHT in schools... we still want our land back...
i love how arthur gets more passionate about the situation as it goes on 24:58 you can hear him getting pissed off
He probably saw his young self in Eagle Flies, and the father figure he always wanted in Rains Fall, and got pissed off not only because of how royally screwed over the natives were being for no reason, but also because he wished Dutch, his actual father figure, would've shown the same amount of concern for him now and when he was growing up
Yo Fizhy. Your promptness, thoroughness and overall ability to elucidate is why I keep coming back. I hope you're proud of everything you've accomplished with the channel. I'm proud of you, bro. Be safe and stay well. Cheers from South Florida 😎
9:56 i like how Rockstar was foreshadowing and planting the seeds for the Wapiti plot line as early as Chapter 1. That’s a detail you wouldn’t pick up on during your first playthough.
To me this was the best part of RDR2. Rockstar has masterfully woven history into a story of manipulation, deceit and redemption. The way it was setup and culminated into the mission "My Last Boy" where it's Cowboys and Indians charging against the new America, can't get any more poetic than that. So many emotions from goosebumps, hype, anger at Dutch's betrayal to crying towards the end at Eagle Flies' death. To hell with Game of the Year, this is Game of the Century
The Wapiti people reminds me of just how well Rockstar handled these historical tragedies. From hearing what Lenny goes through in Rhodes to this storyline they mirrored a part of real life history while still keeping both respect and reverence to the actual events and having it fit well into the overall narrative. This game is a masterpiece for many reasons.
BTW in mission where you go and return the sacred items for rain falls, if you complete it without killing anyone he will give you a trinket
I’ve watched several of your RDR2 videos, and this video here is by far my favorite one. Thank you for making this. My prayers go out to all the Native American children who were forcibly taken away from their families and sent to the boarding schools throughout America and Canada. May the souls of these children find peace. 🙏🏽
Those churches burning won’t bring the dead back. But it does fell good watching them burn
Through these entire missions all I could think was "I need a wapiti single player dlc....I wanna help them more!!" I was so hoping Charles would mention how they are doing in the epilogue
This! Charles mentions sometime that he is half native american from his mother's side, and you occasionally see him wearing (traditional?) jewelry (and I've seen him in face paint but I don't remember where this would have happened). He probably identifies with these people and he's like the only one who is strongly insistent on helping them as Arthur needs quite a bit of convincing in the beginning. I found it really nice to see more depth in Charles character this way, and I choose to believe he's in contact with them after game events bc he also went to Canada :3
The wapitis men are basically all dead. The rest including rain falls fles to Canada because there's bigger Reservations there and they basically get left alone for the most part.
Man, such a sad story. I completely forgot to check the newspapers in my most recent playthrough, so I appreciate you going through those here. Thanks for another thorough analysis/explanatory video!
Honestly his is the best mission in the entire game. The chief’s speech trying to stop his son is just so devastating. I’m glad we got to see even a sliver of their struggle, I wish there was more storylines for more tribes of the area
man this quest-line was so epic and I loved doing it with Charles, but in the same breath it's so heart-breaking watching The Wapiti lose what little "freedom" they still had
That scene where the chief pleads with his son to not go off and die uselessly always brings a tear to me. Props to the actor who played the chief. I felt the sorrow, the desperation, and the desire behind those words.
The greatest lesson we can take from this entire game is not to just keep apologizing for past sins and grouping all people as bad or good, it is to not repeat history and look at everything with discrepancy.
Very true. We must look ar history with wisdom and discernment. People aren't totally good or totally bad. Choices are made that impact either negatively or positively. We must look at history, learn from it, and try not to repeat the bad parts (even though we probably will).
The whole segment of Chapter 6 with the Indians/Native Americans and Dutch manipulating them made him see how easy it is which plays further into it during RDR1.
Stuff actually happened to indigenous Americans. I've been on a few reservations when my father played in a band for social events. It was weird for me to be there as a kid I can't imagine what those other kids were thinking.
As a native my self this was my favorite part of the game it was sad but it turned out good for them in the end love rdr2
There's a book by Joseph M Marshall called The Journey of Crazy Horse: A Lakota History. It discusses the Lakota people from a first hand perspective. Lots of the RDR2 storyline seems to borrow parts from Crazy Horse's story.
I listened to it as an audiobook and it had a marked effect on my life. Well worth checking out.
Or Tecumseh-custards last stand
@Hannah Stahl Yeah wasn't Custard in charge of that batt le? Tecumseh would probably have lost hard if it was someone competent
"he saved my life, but gave his"
"That doesn't surprise me one bit"
Started a new playthrough today because of your channel, hadn't really played the game since 2 years and even though it's my 4 playthrough since i got the game ,it feels new. But i started only to play again because your videos reminded me how great this game was and i love every minute of red dead, it's a throwback to a time where things were easier for me then know and godam i have missed these characters. To make it short thank you
The part about the young being tired of the ineffective diplomatic way reminds me of Corsica and many other autonomist/independantist nations and movement currently who have settled down prove their projects to be very popular within their people and still get no kind of respect whatsoever
8:18 this line has always stuck with me, because Arthur basically just told that guy “I’ll beat the brains out of your skull if you don’t give me what I want”, but his calm tone and his phrasing somehow make him *more* intimidating than if he had just bluntly stated it. That cold-blooded malice doesn’t show up often (in a high honor play through at least), but every scene where Arthur lets that side of himself show is absolutely excellent.
The early conversation with Charles, where he talks about how in spite of Dutch's speeches, they are killers and thieves all the same. But what always confused me was, why is Charles part of it then? I know he doesn't want to be on his own anymore, but surely someone with as good a heart as his doesn't need to fall in with bandits.
My theory would be that he found a family in the gang, Charles is mixed African American and Native American, basically at the time, the person with the least rights out of any people group in the US, he wouldn’t be welcome in society like others and that’s why he stuck with the gang, he may not enjoy the lifestyle but at least he is treated as good as any other member
@@MrOgge50 I agree.
He saw them as family. He was half black, half Native and resourceful and intelligent but that was during a time where people didn't like people of his skin color and he was DOA trying to live on his own. Most gangs it was people riding with each other but Dutch's gang cared for one another and they all respected Charles (except Micah obviously) and Arthur would end up being his best friend.
@@MrOgge50 he also probably had a bounty on him at that point so it’s not like he could live a normal life that easily. He had 2 options: ride solo or ride with his newfound family and he chose the latter.
Charles doesn't deny his actions. He doesn't like when touted as a Robin Hood gang when they take what they want and kill whom they wish.
I simply love your rdr2 coverage. Don't stop
Very sad, but for those who don't know... when rain falls asks you to get the sacred item back, if you don't kill people he will gift you a dream catcher which is pretty cool.
I genuinely almost cried when i met rains fall in the epilogue he used to be someone who led people to be peaceful and not to be aggressive but now he was lost and broken by his sons death
Great video. I do love how you manage to approach the characters with a real humanising sense of empathy. Excellent work, mate :)
That epic charge into Cornwall Kerosene and Tar is so underrated
For new people here, when he sends you in the camp. Do not attack or kill anyone. Sneak in, grab and run. They won't chase far at all. It's easy to do and worth.
What about the medicine wagon was there anyway to do it without killing the guards ?
@@Jimmybrianmikejump to wagon then disarm both of them
@@EdgemasterfrYou can just jump on the wagon and steal the vaccines. The guards won't notice at all.
@@Edgemasterfrthey actually won't even notice you if you slowly approach the wagon on your horse. I got the medicine without even alerting them. As for the camp you can literally sprint in and just take it. Still get the trinket.
Charging into the oil fields was the most badass scene in this game.
Rains fall and eagle flies were some of my favourite characters in the game, it's a shame they had such a tragic end because of Dutch
When Dutch found out Arthur was helping the Natives it made it clear in his mind that Arthur was the traitor. Crazy and when Arthur said in his dying words that Micah was the rat it just made him go silent. In his last moments Arthur kept saying he wasn't the rat. Dutch just couldn't face it how his son was really only trying to the gang before dying. I love this game 🍻
Unrelated but this moment 34:35 when Charles doesn’t have to hear Arthur say anything he just knows somethings wrong gets me. Because we start out the game with Arthur plainly stating “We ain’t never really talked, you and me.” And now they’re confidants in each other to this point it’s, it’s just a beautiful shot and animation.
Something I thought about that I'd like someone to double check me on real quick. A common theme for the gang being able to flip their scores, is that they are usually able to get ".50 cents on the dollar" meaning they get half of the original scores worth. When hosea tells Arthur the total money gotten from the bonds stolen in the first capture, where the letter from the oil company was detailing a 2k payment was needed, he said he managed to get 1k for them. That means that possibly the bonds were worth 2k, meaning it's highly possibly that train was headed to the oil company to give them payment for the phase 2. Does that mean the Van Der Linde gang might have accidentally stalled the exploration, and consequential inquisition of the wapiti land?
I couldn’t help but notice with that letter found on the train in chapter 2, It seems that Cornwall only had the leyland development company do the first phase of diligence. At that point in the story Cornwall had not yet paid them to continue testing to see if there was indeed oil on the wapiti land. I wonder Cornwall was so consumed with greed that he outright failed to pay the leyland development company and started the events of chapter six despite there being no oil reserves to begin with.
I realise now that the train robbery was chapter 1…. Sorry
He probably was.
Love your work. Watched this whole thing and just about fucking cried. A fictional story but it really humanizes the struggles of natives over the history of this nation. And on the heels of the Supreme Court now fucking with Tribal sovereignty over this bad abortion business, this shameful story continues even today.
Great seque into the current thing
The Supreme Court decision isn’t being talked about enough. God, it makes me so sad.
It’s getting worse for indigenous people. We’re seeing the possibility of ICWA- the Indian Child Welfare Act, which aims to preserve native families together after the United States government was separating, stealing, and trafficking our babies for decades because of the abortion business.
RDR2 is the only game I’ve seen cover our struggles, and our plight as indigenous people of the US historically accurate, not feed into stereotypes, and show our history in truth, grace & for what it is- decades of struggle, assimilation & violence perpetrated against us.
@@celestialchronic3572you have it better than indigenous in Canada and Australia. Talk about your crooked government, DV and rapid drinking and drug use. The Native government can make everything better for you but they don’t
I always loved the line from Charles “we’re riding with you” after the rest of the gang goes with Dutch. It shows how much Charles respects Arthur
The way rains fall said please stop breaks my heart everytime
I know it's a bad time.. but the music at 45:00 is badass
Some of my favorite scenes are from the section of Rains Fall and Arthur going across the mountains. Seeing such beautiful scenery and hearing native flutes and instruments in the background is such a calming and peaceful moment, standing in dark contrast to the current situation.
Goddamn Fizhy; your content has always been good but it seems like you get better and better with every new video you drop, and judging by the number of videos you’ve dropped recently you’ve been working your ass off. And every video is concise and hella informative. Thanks again for your hard work and keep up the good shit dude.
You’re videos are top notch, I’m a middle aged man that came back to video games because of Red Dead 2. It’s the most amazing masterpiece I’ve ever seen.
That ride down hill on the oilfield is positively one of the most badass moments in gaming.
I just have a feeling charles went to canada to join the wapiti tribe and officially become one of them eventually starting a family and doing what john could not and go to be a family man and probably rains fall in his death bed name him the new chief
That would be a great story idea
I’m super late to this but…
As a Native American living on a reservation (Northern Arapaho), this really hits hard in a good way. The Red Dead series is one of my favorite games, and the Redemption saga made me love the Van Der Linde gang because they were outlaws in their time, not only in action but also in their views.
I swear these video games have better stories then movies
I love that Charles and Sadie stay with Arthur and the Native Americans when Dutch asks everyone else to come with him
Awesome job, Fizhy, I’ll definitely be taking a look at your history channel! You have a very captivating voice.
one of your best videos imo, you're doing a great job!
After this part of the story, I hated Dutch so much. I was so mad at him I didn’t return to the camp for 2 months worth of game time
Boy, you sure showed HIS character model! 😂
@@devinpaul9026 could have just played the first game and get him killed
I shot him twice during the standoff as John.
@@devinpaul9026 look…😂i’m a petty mfer ok, even with fictional characters 😂
@@John-kd2tc 👀nice
The actor who plays Rains Fall is just outstanding the anguish in his voice just breaks my heart. I get so irate listening to Dutch scheme right in front of everyone’s faces I despise him more than Micah in those moments.
I'm gonna love this thanks fizhy
i find it really interesting that if you sneak past the guards to get the stolen goods without killing everyone, Rains Fall will praise you for not unnecessarily harming anyone. it shows that despite the fact that the army are bad people he still recognises them as people. he doesn’t want them to die the same way he doesn’t want his son to die. eagle flies as a disgruntled young man feels that he like anyone else can die a hero, and he, almost narcissistically, includes his own people in that philosophy, not recognising this will lead to their end.
I think it's still noteable that if you stay at the reservation for too long in the epilogue there will be natives that are hostile towards you
The Reservation is empty in the epilogue
@@D0nnyy Yes but if you stay too long there will be natives that will be hostile towards you. Also they might not be hostile, but I did kidnapp a lawman there so that could have something to do with them either spawning or being hostile. I don't know as I havn't redone this ever
Strangely enough I was just wondering if you made a video on this. On point with your wonderful videos yet again Fizhy
What an absolutely awesome video! I haven't gotten to this point in the game yet, but I am genuinely looking forward to it.
it’s my birthday and you had to drop this banger made my dad a lot better thanks man
I know im late, but happy bday bro
@@TheToiletCloggerappreciate it my guy 🫡
I just found your videos yesterday and I believe that your videos are very informative and helpfurl. Thank you!
It's sad to say that the natives in this game aren't too different at all compared to real life. They both suffered greatly and their populations diminished by greedy damn settlers taking what they want. This hits too close as I'm Navajo and my people suffered as much as the other tribes...
A'ho, I'm Navajo too. Yeah, Rains Fall
reminded me a lot of my Nali Man. The amount of tears and anger.. I couldn't contain them.
47:09 Arthur's face there just says "What kind of man have I been loyal to all these years?"
Every single line of dialogue from Rains Fall makes me want to cry. Such a phenomenal delivery, definitely my favorite character from the game
I think you get a special reward if you get the sacred objects from the camp without harming the soldiers.
if you sneak in and out without violence, you get a boost of honor and extra dialog where Rains Fall thanks you for your gentleness and reflects on how even violent men still have lives, and lives are all sacred.
@@cydude5856 I remember getting a trinket or something.
@@John-kd2tc oh yeah, I guess I never did it by killing the soldiers, so I thought that was for everyone.
How do you get in and out without being noticed? I always had to kill them😅
@@ANNEKE1999 there actually isn't anyone patrolling the open entrance to the camp, so you can quickly maneuver your way through if you make sure to cover your back and watch their line of sights.
I was surprised at the length of this video when I clicked on it, but there definitely was a fair bit to cover. Well done
Rains Fall is probably one of my favorite characters in the game, his plight is one that only strong men can handle and he is brave knowing that fighting wont help his people.
You have done another great job of analyzing a story from a great game.
These stories about the Indigenous people are based off of REAL EVENTS that led to Indians being kicked out of THEIR land sometimes just for nothing but land and not obaying by a treaty.
Sometimes we need to realize to not repeat the past and to not be corrupt, it could solve many problems.
44:53 I love sadie she literally only stays and rides with Morgan’s only! 💯❤️ tbh he was the only one that beside maybe a few but he was the only one that genuinely cared about her feelings! And also Charles too 👊🏽
It really speaks alot going through the natives story at the same time Arthur is realizing what life is really about.
Top tier storytelling
cant wait to listen to this one
Rainfalls is an amazing character, and the voice acting is amazing.
I’m so glad that the makers of rdr2 didn’t shy away from telling the truth, about what happened with the First Nation Tribes North America. Another reason this game is by far my favourite
@Fizhy there is a similar looking grave to Eagle Flies' grave in the hills just north-east
of Fort Riggs...I've always wondered whether that was the grave of Rains Fall's eldest son, who got his head smashed in by a drunken soldier? Maybe the Indians that were slaughtered at Fort Riggs were Wapiti, perhaps more of the cut content dealt with that story and Rains Fall's other son's death?
Interesting thought
The whole Wapiti arc was just...heartbreaking. I so wanted to give Rains Fall a hug. Had Arthur been given a choice in the matter, he should've spent his last days amongst them.😢
These videos are great. Your voice makes this video seem like a documentary. Good job.
Thank you so much for this great video, you're doing a monumental job.
These long in depth videos from red dead are hands down my favorite content 🙌
I thoroughly enjoy your videos brother. Well narrated, explained and a pleasure to hear. Keep ‘em up
That thumbnail is gorgeous