*UPDATE* We tried the quadruple pedals with 2 Duallists, and it worked surprisingly well! You can watch that video here: ruclips.net/video/TwmZqOxBrJI/видео.html
Hi there, a good tip to use two DrumTech Double Bass pedal is to alternate legs like this: Right foot toes Left foot toes Right foot heel Left foot heel Its a much more natural movement
For the Quad pedal, one of two things. One. You need to play a bit faster at Dragon Force like speed. Two. Slow down and let each pedal hit separately.
If you add the duallist mechanism to both the toe and heel of the drum-tec you can get quad hits on one pedal, then with 2 pedals you can get an octo-beat. What do you think?
Played "Hot for Teacher" in High School back in the day and had to use the dualist pedal to do the beginning. everyone was blown away, i just didn't have the heart to tell 'em 🤣
Tell them what? That you’re a smart musician and got the result? I believe the masses don’t listen to music like musicians do. They don’t care how u got there but if it grooved and sounded good. Today there is so much Tech anyone can sound perfect. That’s one reason I have gone back to the old ways of recording where the musicians, tuned, practiced, then played the part.
I think you're overlooking something here. They came out with a TRIPLE single pedal. That means it's now possible to get a sextuple double pedal going.
The gock idea was actually pretty cool... maybe not with the gocks specifically, but the idea of having a different sound source that you can easily bring in fast bursts of with the left foot during fills and such. Probably not worth a few hundred dollars for the average drummer, but still really neat.
Seems like different beater heads on the same drum might be a good application too, if you weren't concerned with doing traditional double bass pedal but wanted different tone from the same drum.
My first drum teacher had put a pedal next to his hi-hat pedal that he would activate with his heel (he'd slide his foot sideways to have the toes on the hi-hat pedal and the heel on the new pedal) Most the times he'd put a gock against that pedal, sometimes other random stuff. Can confirm it sounded great in a solo, and sounds like a somewhat cheap alternative
@@JeffUseekay I'm a bass player not a drummer really at all, but I like to bash around. I did exactly this with my first kit, except with the double kick slave. Everyone else on earth I've ever seen has slave inside hats, I simply put the slave outside and it allowed me to do the exact heel toe technique you described. Toe on hats, heel on kick slave. Cool to finally hear of someone else doing that.
Cowbell, handheld style. One beater to strike the rim, one to strike the arch. For this, raw speed doesn't matter a whole lot, merely being able to get the two basic sounds out of a cowbell _without actually picking it up_ is the whole point so you can either rapid-switch from bongos, or not switch at all. Then again the normal double-bass arrangement would work for this if you prefer, and there's no particular reason other than compactness and weight that you have to use the same cowbell. You could just hook one single pedal to the arch of a cowbell, the other to the rim of another cowbell, and put them on either side of the drums between your legs (if playing congas and bongos simultaneously).
Terry Bozzio has been doing this for years with a bunch of pedals playing heel on one and toe on another with both feet playing all sorts of complex claves and polyrhythms. This setup, I imagine with practice could deliver some very unique rythems though!
I thought the same, I play my high hat with my left heel while kicking doubles and it adds a cool sounding element to an otherwise basic and bare bones beat.
With a double single pedal it would be insanely easy if you have the foot stamina (which, ironically, you need anyway to play bleed how it was intended)
I actually have the drum-tec pedal. I got it after seeing a video for the dualist pedal. I never got used to it. I put it away and bought the conventional double pedal that is now on my kit
I've been looking at these pedals for some time, and I'm glad you decided to do a video on them. I knew I can count on you (a mainly millitary quad drummer) to NOT use triggers and actually show off the pedals fully and honestly. Thank you
@@elansleazebaganno he triggers his whole kit for the purpose of well produced covers. there are many videos of him playing without triggers, it's jut preference. plus, triggers aren't cheating in any way, this is such an old topic.
So the spring on the right side of the Duelist is the return spring for the main hammer, BUT the spring on the left side adjusts the striking force for the second hammer so to make the hit louder you need to put more tension on the spring.
The heel toe method. This is how we learned to play fast on the bass pedal. There was no other way back in the day. You got it down really quickly. It took me weeks back when I was like 12
yeah, Henker's drummer is insanely good with those pedals, tho he is using the discontinuated Giant Steps, they are like the dualist. it looks easy but that level of control needs a ton of practice to not sound like popcorn.
I personally like the Axis double pedal because its driven by a bar instead of a chain and you can just barely push down on the pedal and you get almost the equiv. of a full on kick. Makes swivel-footing so much easier. You should def. look into it if you want to brush up on your double-kick moves!
For me the breakthrough came on the heel toe technique when I realized that my ankle naturally made that motion throughout its path when I was riding a bicycle and cranking the pedals. I don't know why but it did help me realize that you just kind of let your heel fall down and then spring up onto your toe. I still kind of suck at it, can't sustain it for long bursts but Def can hit it as a quick one-two when I need to
*Video 22* of Loopy Grandma asking Lil' Peanut to play Wipe Out by the Ventures!!! ... Great for another video using the kit!!! And I know you are very creative, so I expect something EPIC! Maybe use your Marimba for all the Guitar parts! 🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁
I have never had the chance to try a Drum Tech double pedal but after see this...no thanks! Kevin the creator of Duallist has some cool products.The triple pedal is a little overkill IMHO but the single/double is actually pretty awesome. I find it humorous when people think it's cheating. Using that pedal still requires mechanical control and timing. This has inspired me to crack out the Sidewinder pedal again and create a fun video. (Duallist cajon pedal). To my knowledge those never got released. Thanks again for the side by side comparison of these pedals.
You'll notice the drummer you keep mentioning in the video uses two Sonor Giant Step Twin Effect pedals. Those pedals predate the Dualist and the Drum-Tec model by several years and are way better engineered than either. They're also extremely rare due to how expensive they were back then, similar to Sonor's Giant Step Middle.
@@shemsuhor8763 It's possible to do the same setup with Pearl Demonator or Demon Drive pedals. They are symmetrical and the posts are screwed on the plate.
I have two double bass pedals, one is on right kick 22”, one on the 18” kick, as a lefty. I also experimented with the original sonor dual twin pedals (the drum tec just copied that in a cheap version) and two of them is just melting the brain. One is just like learning to walk again but with one leg only. I can only describe like that.
11:16 is basically how Will Calhoun uses the Dualist pedal, only he has it on a smaller, jazzy bass drum on the left side. So it doesn't sound very metal but it's a really cool effect ruclips.net/video/JZM69noyDf4/видео.html
It does seem to make more sense on the left side, although in this video it was ignored that the pedal can go back to single action just by flicking a lever with the heel.
There was a band that played the East Coast circuit in the late 80s called Cody and that drummer had four kick drums that he played and then when they came back through Augusta the following year he reduced it to just three kick drums but holy crap I have no idea what they're doing now
I can say, I only subscribe to a “drummer” because of the USMC thing. It’s fun to watch the evolution of hair growth once an EAS and DD-214 has been achieved. You have opened my eyes to how hard it is to be a decent drummer Vice Excellent. I’ve been in bands where we had a drummer that was a rookie and most listeners don’t hear the flaws. I was in a band with a Sgt, Motor-T kid who was really good, and once played at the Sturgis Bike rally at the Knuckle Saloon with an amazing drummer who was in a Jazz band, and a 70’s rock band. The band I was in at the time played 70’s style rock. Huge differences and very noticeably brings the quality of the band much higher. I absolutely love the content you bring to the table. I’m all “band” geeked out, and now just play for my personal pleasure. I retired from the Corps back in 2006, and still brag on you as a Professional Drummer and Marine. You are the extent of my knowledge of drumming. I have no plans to ever attempt it, and of course Pre-band practices have tried sitting behind a kit, and just have no aptitude or desire to drum. Keep up the great content Warrior!
When I saw two grown men connected a Dualist pedal to PAIR OF JAM BLOCKS, I thought “hey , there’s two guys who need girlfriends…“ But, upon more thought, my conclusion is “there’s two guys who married their girlfriends are now trying to ‘escape their wives’ for an afternoon“… Yeah that tracks. Good job on the video… And escaping your wives for an afternoon. D
The drummer you shows in the video is Morgan Sansous, he plays quadruple justa little bit in the Henker album called Slave of My Art, and he uses heel toe technique, which is pretty difficult, i do have 2 of those but they're quite different from Morgan pedals, which is the Sonor Giant Step.
This is gonna sound random but I really appreciate seeing you guys hanging out with big over-ear protection. I don’t know how anyone is able to be anywhere near drums without any hearing protection, there’s kind of a stigma too. It just really made me happy seeing you both be so safe.
The first pedal you played is the same as the Sonor Giant Step Pedal. I saw Thomas Lang play one back in 2003, he was amazing with it. The patterns he played were truly insane and he was using it as his left pedal. So if you want to see a heal toe pedal played at expert levels, watch Thomas Lang. But then Thomas plays EVERYTHING at expert level.... Cheers
I'm not a drum guy and maybe it's because I'm stoned. I found this video to be funny as shit. 03:15 when he puts both feet on the pedal lmao! 03:37 the bass sounds so soft it's hilarious! Make more videos like this.
I completely unrelatedly found rdavidr's channel last night, as a suggestion from Matthias Krantz's channel which also led me to Rob Scallon. Eric, I immediately thought of you doing a reaction to the video where Rob and his woodworking friend Simon build a drum set from pretty much scratch in ten hours, without really knowing what they're doing. It sort of hurts to watch but is very tongue in cheek and quite fun. Kind of like watching Matthias's videos as a pianist. Although the snare drum Rob and his buddy make is pretty legit impressive under the circumstances (as are Matt's drastic piano mods). I think it was David and his buddy Stephen(?) who made drum kits from cardboard boxes and random objects, which led me to Rob's video. I recommend checking it out, the rest of the channel looks cool too. I also watched the one where they build a ridiculous and dangerously pointy guitar from scratch in a day (which is Rob's actual main instrument I believe, as he's actually able to make it sound kind of good; I still need to watch the video where he plays that guitar with a pro drummer on the homemade freaky drumkit). It would be interesting to see you react to rdavidr's Frankenstein kits too, if you haven't. I love when I find out that RUclipsrs I follow are IRL friends. The timing of it all felt synchronous, idk. Disclaimer: I think I got and spelled all names correctly, apologies if my memory failed.
I have the single pedal with the two beaters (heel-toe) method, I love mine and it becomes easy just a rocking motion and eventually speed develops and it's a blast to use..
The first pedal the heal looks like is always going to take inherently more work, since the heal leaver is has is around half the length of the normal pedal, and gives you less mechanical advantage on the main pedal. Around 2:55 you can even see that with the mallet heads move dramatically different lengths the difference in power available. My first impression is it might be best fit to doing accent beats in coordination with the main pedal, or giving a dampening option. Though even with just a little playing around it allow for faster beat, granted the more common duel pedal seems to have wider versatility and easier to achieve that.
I did notice that when concentrating really hard on the weird techniques needed to operate the double pedals - both of you had your left foot sitting there doing nothing… I can kind of see an advantage of a double single pedal if it leaves your left foot free for something else - but I think the limiting factor is that we all have only one brain (except maybe Thomas Lang or Mike Mangini, who seem to have one for each limb). Seems to me that there isn’t much advantage if it needs too much technique to master. May as well leave out the hi-hat and use both feet?
I rarely use double bass hits and if I do they are usually single beat or the end of a fill, so I just use the toe bounce technique with my right foot. If there is a left foot bass pedal I might switch to it for fills and then just move back to the hihat pedal. I mainly play funk blues hybrid kind of stuff, not metal though, so double bass comes up a lot less. It's nice having the option, but I don't think I could give up the hihat foot entirely. Maybe if the single-double pedals were either simpler or more diverse, like with the pedal that plays on every upbeat would get in the way a lot I think, and the heel toe pedal would require memorizing new techniques which might get confusing with traditional double bass technique, idk. I guess I see the potential, but IME having an optional, easily accessible second bass pedal near the hihat is the most appropriate for what I usually do, and otherwise just keep left foot on hat pedal. I find this stuff interesting though and wish I had the time and gear for practice.
I feel like if you’re going to be automating the double kick, you might as well just trigger it. At least with the DW you are in full control. Having said that, more than double(to me) is just flexing for the point of flexing and doesn’t make the song any better.
...add a box o'rocks to a ninja blender powered to a mic with a Peavy bass amp and you now have limitless aggression in which to stone everyone in your path of incongruity! No? Think again.
8:07 i can ear chuck schuldiner singin in my mind ''A condeming, fear strikes down. Things they cannot understand. An excuse, to cover up, weaknesses that lie within...''
One thing to make the quads "easier" is triggering your kick so you don't need much force. So rocking your foot back and forth quickly just taps the drum and isn't super loud... The triggers allow to give the kick more volume and any kick sound imaginable. When you show the guy in the studio ripping crazy 64th note blasts you can see his feet are barely moving and you can hear the telltale basketball hitting concrete sound of a triggered bass drum. Trying to do acoustic only quad blasts will require CrossFit/stair master/squats/and steroids lol. Awesome video and breakdown of the different kinds of double singles.
I play drums, and love the channel. I actually play normal drums with my Heels and Toes, alternating back and forth to get faster without moving my legs too much. But that's because I have limited mobility in my legs, the key is to put the Pedals on low action so you don't push down as hard to make contact, all I focused on is getting that loudness by applying more force to that alternating pattern. It's more in the Ankles than the legs.
Check out Adam Neely's video on the connection between rhythm and pitch. A lot of those mult-bass pedal examples get so fast they start to sound more like a sound frequency than a rhythm.
I wouldn't call something that's one and the same a connection though They are literally the same except for their frequency which when high enough causea things to oscillate Any tone is just a fast pulse with a steady interval A complex beat is a chord
I bought a set of these in like 2010 when they were made by Cannon Percussion. They were fun and theoretically could have worked for extreme metal applications but mine were cheap and fell apart. I think you'd need a company to make good quality pedals with hard beaters, hard impact pads on the drum head, good microphone settings and some compression.
If you look at the clip of Morgan Sansous @ 17:12 and look under his heel, I think I see a "heel pedal" like the DrumTech pedal has. I think he's using heel-toe technique with it. Anyone think I'm wrong?
Is Morgan from Henker the dude you showed playing quad kick in the beginning? Dude used triggers and when laying into it, the kicks became a tone. He sort of physically fulfilled extratone.
Turn one of the beaters on the Drum-Tec round to its soft side. Now you can just play with your toe and choose hard or soft attack on the same bass drum according to need.
I used to master the heel-toe technique rather well when I was actively playing metal. It's not easy to master, but for anyone wondering, the trick is to ditch your shoes and go heel first, same foot toe second. Da-dum. You made a double stroke with your pedal. Then the double bass is just basically double stroke rolling. I would love to try out heel-toeing with a couple of these drum-tecs and see if they would add more power to the technique. Because yes, it's not the best sounding or most accurate of double bass techniques out there.
is there a video anywhere of someone with 2 of these double pedals one on each bass drum of a two bass setup being used by someone that actually knows how to heel-toe technique?
It would be cool if you could mod the drumtech pedal to hit another drum with the heel. Then you could play an auxiliary bass drum with the heel and your primary with the toe. So instead of trying to play fast, you would have two sounds under one foot, and play it like a single pedal.
*UPDATE*
We tried the quadruple pedals with 2 Duallists, and it worked surprisingly well!
You can watch that video here: ruclips.net/video/TwmZqOxBrJI/видео.html
What is ur opinion on the armory series I bought the same kit recently would really like a review of the kit and wat u think abt it
Where can i buy the second pedal because im looking for a new bass drum pedal(the dualist pedal)
Nice
Hi there, a good tip to use two DrumTech Double Bass pedal is to alternate legs like this:
Right foot toes
Left foot toes
Right foot heel
Left foot heel
Its a much more natural movement
For the Quad pedal, one of two things. One. You need to play a bit faster at Dragon Force like speed. Two. Slow down and let each pedal hit separately.
If this comment gets 1,000 likes I'll force Eric to also buy a triple pedal so we can play sextuple pedal.
If this reply gets 1,000,069 likes, we will do Octo-pedals.
Bet to both of you
A double and a triple......blast beat quintuplets!!
Will that help him play 69-lets?
Doing my part
If you add the duallist mechanism to both the toe and heel of the drum-tec you can get quad hits on one pedal, then with 2 pedals you can get an octo-beat. What do you think?
Turn the pedal into bicycle pedals and run the chain to a wheel of bass drum mallets
🤣🤣🤣🤣 you guys got me fuckin dead with these contraption ideas 😂😂😂
I fucking LOLd at just thinking about it
If someone actually figures out how to play this and practices properly it’ll just sound like a single continuous deep toned beep
@@blacklightgamer97 like a square wave playing at 60Hz, rumble bass and a sound like a dying subwoofer.
Played "Hot for Teacher" in High School back in the day and had to use the dualist pedal to do the beginning. everyone was blown away, i just didn't have the heart to tell 'em 🤣
@JimmyThomas-lf6yt i'm sure my dad may have a home video somewhere, but it being 15 years ago i doubt it now :(
😂
El Estepario Siberiano does this in his videos. The sound is amazing.
Tell them what? That you’re a smart musician and got the result?
I believe the masses don’t listen to music like musicians do. They don’t care how u got there but if it grooved and sounded good.
Today there is so much Tech anyone can sound perfect. That’s one reason I have gone back to the old ways of recording where the musicians, tuned, practiced, then played the part.
Why? Is it supposed to be bad that there are different ways to achieve the same result?
I think you're overlooking something here. They came out with a TRIPLE single pedal. That means it's now possible to get a sextuple double pedal going.
That is an awful idea. I love it
You son of a bitch......im in!
Position it right and you can do 12 stick lineup with two drums
The gock idea was actually pretty cool... maybe not with the gocks specifically, but the idea of having a different sound source that you can easily bring in fast bursts of with the left foot during fills and such. Probably not worth a few hundred dollars for the average drummer, but still really neat.
😂😂
Seems like different beater heads on the same drum might be a good application too, if you weren't concerned with doing traditional double bass pedal but wanted different tone from the same drum.
My first drum teacher had put a pedal next to his hi-hat pedal that he would activate with his heel (he'd slide his foot sideways to have the toes on the hi-hat pedal and the heel on the new pedal)
Most the times he'd put a gock against that pedal, sometimes other random stuff. Can confirm it sounded great in a solo, and sounds like a somewhat cheap alternative
@@JeffUseekay I'm a bass player not a drummer really at all, but I like to bash around. I did exactly this with my first kit, except with the double kick slave. Everyone else on earth I've ever seen has slave inside hats, I simply put the slave outside and it allowed me to do the exact heel toe technique you described. Toe on hats, heel on kick slave. Cool to finally hear of someone else doing that.
Cowbell, handheld style. One beater to strike the rim, one to strike the arch. For this, raw speed doesn't matter a whole lot, merely being able to get the two basic sounds out of a cowbell _without actually picking it up_ is the whole point so you can either rapid-switch from bongos, or not switch at all. Then again the normal double-bass arrangement would work for this if you prefer, and there's no particular reason other than compactness and weight that you have to use the same cowbell. You could just hook one single pedal to the arch of a cowbell, the other to the rim of another cowbell, and put them on either side of the drums between your legs (if playing congas and bongos simultaneously).
2:05 the first thing you do in your new world in minecraft
Terry Bozzio has been doing this for years with a bunch of pedals playing heel on one and toe on another with both feet playing all sorts of complex claves and polyrhythms. This setup, I imagine with practice could deliver some very unique rythems though!
I thought the same, I play my high hat with my left heel while kicking doubles and it adds a cool sounding element to an otherwise basic and bare bones beat.
If your a drummer... quit till you learn to spell what you do...
Imagine how easy it would be to play messhugah- bleed with this beast set up
I don't think so because that song is not straight. The coordination training will be straight madness.
With a double single pedal it would be insanely easy if you have the foot stamina (which, ironically, you need anyway to play bleed how it was intended)
there is a demo with the triple beater dualist pedal setup that dude pretty much does hertas quite easily
I was joking completely
Not going to happen
I actually have the drum-tec pedal. I got it after seeing a video for the dualist pedal. I never got used to it. I put it away and bought the conventional double pedal that is now on my kit
I've been looking at these pedals for some time, and I'm glad you decided to do a video on them. I knew I can count on you (a mainly millitary quad drummer) to NOT use triggers and actually show off the pedals fully and honestly. Thank you
Unlike Samus who despite being an amazing drummer, can't not use triggers
@@elansleazebaganno he triggers his whole kit for the purpose of well produced covers. there are many videos of him playing without triggers, it's jut preference. plus, triggers aren't cheating in any way, this is such an old topic.
@@jitzwa I'm not saying it is cheating and I understand why he does it. I was just saying he does
@@jitzwa Triggers aren't cheating. They also aren't drumming.
I can’t believe companies that make this stuff haven’t gone out of business yet
Im not a drummer but seeing him try to figure it out was relatable as hell.
So facts lol I just heard a song an im like lemme see how they do this so now I get how hard it is
So the spring on the right side of the Duelist is the return spring for the main hammer, BUT the spring on the left side adjusts the striking force for the second hammer so to make the hit louder you need to put more tension on the spring.
12:30 ah yes, my favorite genre: Crab Metal
WE NEED MORE BELL
The heel toe method. This is how we learned to play fast on the bass pedal. There was no other way back in the day. You got it down really quickly. It took me weeks back when I was like 12
yeah, Henker's drummer is insanely good with those pedals, tho he is using the discontinuated Giant Steps, they are like the dualist. it looks easy but that level of control needs a ton of practice to not sound like popcorn.
Dude I Love me some Henker. I have a similar setup with the duallists if you wanna check it out
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How many bass pedals do you use?
Twelve.
yes
0, I‘m too broke
1
One and a half
12:49 As a drummer, I love this! But the recording engineer in me hears insane amounts of click bleed and I just can't unhear that
@ripterdusk 473 Gocks? I think.
It is so refreshing seeing you guys struggling like the rest of us would. Thank you
Perfect for those gigs where you need to play death metal but very quietly and with no stage room
14:35 - sounds like the beginning of Hot For Teacher
I personally like the Axis double pedal because its driven by a bar instead of a chain and you can just barely push down on the pedal and you get almost the equiv. of a full on kick.
Makes swivel-footing so much easier. You should def. look into it if you want to brush up on your double-kick moves!
That "bar" is referred to as direct drive.
Quad-bass pedal is key for Machinegun Psytyle (and other genre switches)
@V. S. Werejester Camellia song called We could get more machinegun psystyle lol
*The colab we've all been waiting for*
Maybe the legitimate hot for teacher intro is now possible?
For me the breakthrough came on the heel toe technique when I realized that my ankle naturally made that motion throughout its path when I was riding a bicycle and cranking the pedals. I don't know why but it did help me realize that you just kind of let your heel fall down and then spring up onto your toe. I still kind of suck at it, can't sustain it for long bursts but Def can hit it as a quick one-two when I need to
My tibialis anterior muscle has encountered a fatal exception at e031854FFF. Sticking with the "bass-ics". Thank you for making this!!!
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. " - Dr. Ian Malcolm
*Video 22* of Loopy Grandma asking Lil' Peanut to play Wipe Out by the Ventures!!! ... Great for another video using the kit!!! And I know you are very creative, so I expect something EPIC! Maybe use your Marimba for all the Guitar parts! 🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁
Innovation and expansion of the art! Nandi Bushell and Caleb drummer will scorching the earth with these before long!
Introducing the Lars Ulrich double bass cheat pedal.
this is something i need to try. i never used my heel as much as i should and ive been playing for over 15 years. this will be some great practice.
I have never had the chance to try a Drum Tech double pedal but after see this...no thanks! Kevin the creator of Duallist has some cool products.The triple pedal is a little overkill IMHO but the single/double is actually pretty awesome. I find it humorous when people think it's cheating. Using that pedal still requires mechanical control and timing. This has inspired me to crack out the Sidewinder pedal again and create a fun video. (Duallist cajon pedal). To my knowledge those never got released. Thanks again for the side by side comparison of these pedals.
You'll notice the drummer you keep mentioning in the video uses two Sonor Giant Step Twin Effect pedals. Those pedals predate the Dualist and the Drum-Tec model by several years and are way better engineered than either. They're also extremely rare due to how expensive they were back then, similar to Sonor's Giant Step Middle.
@@shemsuhor8763 It's possible to do the same setup with Pearl Demonator or Demon Drive pedals. They are symmetrical and the posts are screwed on the plate.
This is rare seeing rdavidr's studio use TWO bass drums
I have two double bass pedals, one is on right kick 22”, one on the 18” kick, as a lefty.
I also experimented with the original sonor dual twin pedals (the drum tec just copied that in a cheap version) and two of them is just melting the brain.
One is just like learning to walk again but with one leg only.
I can only describe like that.
11:16 is basically how Will Calhoun uses the Dualist pedal, only he has it on a smaller, jazzy bass drum on the left side. So it doesn't sound very metal but it's a really cool effect ruclips.net/video/JZM69noyDf4/видео.html
It does seem to make more sense on the left side, although in this video it was ignored that the pedal can go back to single action just by flicking a lever with the heel.
The beards/general hairiness frighten me. The drumming is awesome. Wish I could do what y'all do! Cool post.
There was a band that played the East Coast circuit in the late 80s called Cody and that drummer had four kick drums that he played and then when they came back through Augusta the following year he reduced it to just three kick drums but holy crap I have no idea what they're doing now
That's so absurd hahaha
hey a good way to do the triple bass pedal is 8ths on right and 8th note tripleits on left you get a galop sound which is unique to the triple setup
12:50 that actually sounded kinda cool.
John Longstreth for the rescue?? Seriously, i would LOVE to see him playing with that setup
I’ve got pretty decent at the heel toe method. I’d love to try that single double
I’ve dreamed about making a heel and toe double kick for years. I didn’t know a commercial model existed. I want it????
17:13: How I thought I was sounding when I first got double pedals
2:06: How I was sounding
I can say, I only subscribe to a “drummer” because of the USMC thing. It’s fun to watch the evolution of hair growth once an EAS and DD-214 has been achieved. You have opened my eyes to how hard it is to be a decent drummer Vice Excellent. I’ve been in bands where we had a drummer that was a rookie and most listeners don’t hear the flaws. I was in a band with a Sgt, Motor-T kid who was really good, and once played at the Sturgis Bike rally at the Knuckle Saloon with an amazing drummer who was in a Jazz band, and a 70’s rock band. The band I was in at the time played 70’s style rock. Huge differences and very noticeably brings the quality of the band much higher. I absolutely love the content you bring to the table. I’m all “band” geeked out, and now just play for my personal pleasure. I retired from the Corps back in 2006, and still brag on you as a Professional Drummer and Marine. You are the extent of my knowledge of drumming. I have no plans to ever attempt it, and of course Pre-band practices have tried sitting behind a kit, and just have no aptitude or desire to drum. Keep up the great content Warrior!
When I saw two grown men connected a Dualist pedal to PAIR OF JAM BLOCKS, I thought “hey , there’s two guys who need girlfriends…“
But, upon more thought, my conclusion is “there’s two guys who married their girlfriends are now trying to ‘escape their wives’ for an afternoon“… Yeah that tracks.
Good job on the video… And escaping your wives for an afternoon.
D
The drummer you shows in the video is Morgan Sansous, he plays quadruple justa little bit in the Henker album called Slave of My Art, and he uses heel toe technique, which is pretty difficult, i do have 2 of those but they're quite different from Morgan pedals, which is the Sonor Giant Step.
This is gonna sound random but I really appreciate seeing you guys hanging out with big over-ear protection. I don’t know how anyone is able to be anywhere near drums without any hearing protection, there’s kind of a stigma too. It just really made me happy seeing you both be so safe.
I remember when I thought it wouldn't be that bad then my ears were making a high pitch noise for months
The first pedal you played is the same as the Sonor Giant Step Pedal. I saw Thomas Lang play one back in 2003, he was amazing with it. The patterns he played were truly insane and he was using it as his left pedal. So if you want to see a heal toe pedal played at expert levels, watch Thomas Lang. But then Thomas plays EVERYTHING at expert level.... Cheers
I'm not a drum guy and maybe it's because I'm stoned. I found this video to be funny as shit. 03:15 when he puts both feet on the pedal lmao! 03:37 the bass sounds so soft it's hilarious! Make more videos like this.
Like lars ulrich lol
“get a running start” 🤣🤣 You has me back in my chair coughing 🤣 “Yeah Jimmy.. HIT IT!” - “Just wait for me to get a running start” 🤣🤣🤣
Video 21 of commenting until EMC makes a front ensemble out of spocks
all i'm saying is the cobra slices timing signatures up and in any odd timing you want both pedals because of that. they are for different things imo
So anyway, I started blasting
I completely unrelatedly found rdavidr's channel last night, as a suggestion from Matthias Krantz's channel which also led me to Rob Scallon. Eric, I immediately thought of you doing a reaction to the video where Rob and his woodworking friend Simon build a drum set from pretty much scratch in ten hours, without really knowing what they're doing. It sort of hurts to watch but is very tongue in cheek and quite fun. Kind of like watching Matthias's videos as a pianist. Although the snare drum Rob and his buddy make is pretty legit impressive under the circumstances (as are Matt's drastic piano mods). I think it was David and his buddy Stephen(?) who made drum kits from cardboard boxes and random objects, which led me to Rob's video. I recommend checking it out, the rest of the channel looks cool too. I also watched the one where they build a ridiculous and dangerously pointy guitar from scratch in a day (which is Rob's actual main instrument I believe, as he's actually able to make it sound kind of good; I still need to watch the video where he plays that guitar with a pro drummer on the homemade freaky drumkit). It would be interesting to see you react to rdavidr's Frankenstein kits too, if you haven't. I love when I find out that RUclipsrs I follow are IRL friends. The timing of it all felt synchronous, idk.
Disclaimer: I think I got and spelled all names correctly, apologies if my memory failed.
Should have tried odd time signatures with the triple bass pedal, might be Verry interesting
I have the single pedal with the two beaters (heel-toe) method, I love mine and it becomes easy just a rocking motion and eventually speed develops and it's a blast to use..
video 3 until EMC learns a show style drum feature
stillllll goin
I mean...I already played all 18 cadences from Drumline the movie lol
@@EMCproductions nahhhh... like something more traditional, Jackson state for example, that'll REALLY be somethin'
The first pedal the heal looks like is always going to take inherently more work, since the heal leaver is has is around half the length of the normal pedal, and gives you less mechanical advantage on the main pedal. Around 2:55 you can even see that with the mallet heads move dramatically different lengths the difference in power available. My first impression is it might be best fit to doing accent beats in coordination with the main pedal, or giving a dampening option. Though even with just a little playing around it allow for faster beat, granted the more common duel pedal seems to have wider versatility and easier to achieve that.
For the heel Kick Drum it's actually eaiser to use without your shoe on. I know it's weird but it actually helps
Concur, you need a flexible shoe to hit it well
Haven't watched an EMC video in a while-GREAT BEARD OF ODIN!!!
Fun fact: Quad pedals were first used in the 80s for power ballads.
It isn't necessary to blurt out a comment just for the sake of blurting out a comment
@@fclefjefff4041 why not, you just did. no rules on comments man..
Social media is fucking excruciating
You should hook the dualist that the goak (or however you spell it)blocks were hooked to, and hook it up to cowbells
I did notice that when concentrating really hard on the weird techniques needed to operate the double pedals - both of you had your left foot sitting there doing nothing… I can kind of see an advantage of a double single pedal if it leaves your left foot free for something else - but I think the limiting factor is that we all have only one brain (except maybe Thomas Lang or Mike Mangini, who seem to have one for each limb).
Seems to me that there isn’t much advantage if it needs too much technique to master. May as well leave out the hi-hat and use both feet?
I rarely use double bass hits and if I do they are usually single beat or the end of a fill, so I just use the toe bounce technique with my right foot. If there is a left foot bass pedal I might switch to it for fills and then just move back to the hihat pedal. I mainly play funk blues hybrid kind of stuff, not metal though, so double bass comes up a lot less. It's nice having the option, but I don't think I could give up the hihat foot entirely. Maybe if the single-double pedals were either simpler or more diverse, like with the pedal that plays on every upbeat would get in the way a lot I think, and the heel toe pedal would require memorizing new techniques which might get confusing with traditional double bass technique, idk. I guess I see the potential, but IME having an optional, easily accessible second bass pedal near the hihat is the most appropriate for what I usually do, and otherwise just keep left foot on hat pedal. I find this stuff interesting though and wish I had the time and gear for practice.
Drumtech should put a central pivot in the form of a bar or something for your foot to sit on to make the heel toe action easier
I feel like if you’re going to be automating the double kick, you might as well just trigger it. At least with the DW you are in full control. Having said that, more than double(to me) is just flexing for the point of flexing and doesn’t make the song any better.
Fun fact Morgan Sansous was my drum teacher so it's really nice to honnor him since he's the only one to have gone this fast
...add a box o'rocks to a ninja blender powered to a mic with a Peavy bass amp and you now have limitless aggression in which to stone everyone in your path of incongruity! No? Think again.
8:07 i can ear chuck schuldiner singin in my mind ''A condeming, fear strikes down. Things they cannot understand. An excuse, to cover up, weaknesses that lie within...''
The quad would sound great with a 6 string bass and dual 8 string guitars.
We need MOAR
Bass drum pedals have 1 beater, bass guitars have 4 strings, Guitars have 6 strings. PERIOD.
On the duelist pedal I think you are supposed to play a triplet feel. That's how you offset the third beater
Black metal bands are drooling watching this
Morgan was drummer of a french Metal band called « Heinker » and the video near the end was filmed 12 years ago
One thing to make the quads "easier" is triggering your kick so you don't need much force. So rocking your foot back and forth quickly just taps the drum and isn't super loud... The triggers allow to give the kick more volume and any kick sound imaginable. When you show the guy in the studio ripping crazy 64th note blasts you can see his feet are barely moving and you can hear the telltale basketball hitting concrete sound of a triggered bass drum. Trying to do acoustic only quad blasts will require CrossFit/stair master/squats/and steroids lol.
Awesome video and breakdown of the different kinds of double singles.
Aaron Kitcher's gonna get some competition
But what about using the duallist as a quick double stab, like an on demand heel-toe with no effort?
That is so goofy! It's like your heel is your left hand!!🤣🤣🤣
I play drums, and love the channel. I actually play normal drums with my Heels and Toes, alternating back and forth to get faster without moving my legs too much. But that's because I have limited mobility in my legs, the key is to put the Pedals on low action so you don't push down as hard to make contact, all I focused on is getting that loudness by applying more force to that alternating pattern. It's more in the Ankles than the legs.
Check out Adam Neely's video on the connection between rhythm and pitch. A lot of those mult-bass pedal examples get so fast they start to sound more like a sound frequency than a rhythm.
I wouldn't call something that's one and the same a connection though
They are literally the same except for their frequency which when high enough causea things to oscillate
Any tone is just a fast pulse with a steady interval
A complex beat is a chord
The speed they'd need to do to sound like a pitch... you didn't pay enough attention to Adam.
holy shit an actual use for the dualist pedal lol bravo
I bought a set of these in like 2010 when they were made by Cannon Percussion. They were fun and theoretically could have worked for extreme metal applications but mine were cheap and fell apart. I think you'd need a company to make good quality pedals with hard beaters, hard impact pads on the drum head, good microphone settings and some compression.
Those of us who play heal up......
If you look at the clip of Morgan Sansous @ 17:12 and look under his heel, I think I see a "heel pedal" like the DrumTech pedal has. I think he's using heel-toe technique with it. Anyone think I'm wrong?
Is Morgan from Henker the dude you showed playing quad kick in the beginning? Dude used triggers and when laying into it, the kicks became a tone. He sort of physically fulfilled extratone.
Turn one of the beaters on the Drum-Tec round to its soft side. Now you can just play with your toe and choose hard or soft attack on the same bass drum according to need.
I just kept watching them play the blocks and all I could think was "MOAR COWBELL"
The drummer from Henker is playing heel heel toe toe. That makes it a lot easier to get it smooth
Literally thought of this idea in 2010 when I saw this baby come out😂😂😂 thank you for completing my childhood dream
I used to master the heel-toe technique rather well when I was actively playing metal. It's not easy to master, but for anyone wondering, the trick is to ditch your shoes and go heel first, same foot toe second. Da-dum. You made a double stroke with your pedal. Then the double bass is just basically double stroke rolling. I would love to try out heel-toeing with a couple of these drum-tecs and see if they would add more power to the technique. Because yes, it's not the best sounding or most accurate of double bass techniques out there.
For the triple bass, my first thought was to have a super muffled bass and play softer or mix it down
is there a video anywhere of someone with 2 of these double pedals one on each bass drum of a two bass setup being used by someone that actually knows how to heel-toe technique?
That "insanely impossible" lick you try at 16:00 is called a "crimp roll" and any tap dancer can do it. While standing up. 🙂🤘
I taught myself how to do quad heal toes awhile ago. Fun to do when you need a quick blast of 4 bass beats.
It would be cool if you could mod the drumtech pedal to hit another drum with the heel. Then you could play an auxiliary bass drum with the heel and your primary with the toe. So instead of trying to play fast, you would have two sounds under one foot, and play it like a single pedal.
I think it is a mater of timing. The heal pedal should be at just the right height so that as your foot comes down, 1 hits and than the other.
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awsom vid man all the love to u two
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Next we need the pedal hi-hat quad bass pedal