@@rdavidr They also make a triple pedal version. Good stuff. Sonor made a similar version and this guy kills them ruclips.net/video/HvQArNyJMsY/видео.html
Would be hilarious if you filmed yourself playing a regular kick, and reedited the video to make it like you're awesome and he's... well... Would be a very funny RUclips short, even.
The dualist has been around for a very long time (possibly 15+ years); if it was going to make an impact it would have done years ago. I'm quite surprised it's still in production.
I saw Thomas Lang use one of these at a Modern Drummer Festival way back in 2000/2001 and the stuff he was doing with it was *nuts*. But that's really the only time I've ever seen anyone of any notoriety use one 🤷♂️
My father, a mechanical engineer, discussed this idea with me about 30 years ago, where the upstroke of the pedal would activate a second beater. About 5 minutes into the conversation we decided it was way too impractical. I think we made the right call.
@@mariinito985 Going for dumbest comment of the year? It's early but you may still win. Do you think the standard drummer even plays 1/10th of what that guy plays? Come on, use your brain.
It's a completely different way to go about double bass. It's a device that has a learning curve of its own, and many drummers cheat with this pedal by putting no power in and instead triggering their drums. Some people can do some good stuff with them, though, like quad bass.
@@AnkothOfficial Saying triggering is cheating is dumb tbh. It's a must at high speeds as you can't hit the drum with enough power for long periods of time at higher tempos.
@Ortho-leaning Really? Tell that to Dave Lombardo, Nico Mcbrain, Gene Hoglan, and many of the old school drummers who somehow managed to do so just fine without any shortcuts. Thrash metal drummers play at high speeds without triggers all the time, yet they sound good. On the flip side, you get all the crappy modern metal (core/tech/djent) drummers who flex their drumming skills and shit but half of them use triggers to shortcut their way into achieving the desired velocity and consistency, leading to drums that sound the same with every hit and have no life or dynamics to them. Why would you bother micing up a bass at that point and not just get an electronic pad? That would save you so much space and money and the sound engineer's wouldn't have to mic up and fuck around with a drum you'll never really use, since you'll just replace it with a sample.
@@AnkothOfficial Oh boohoo. It's the 21st century boomer, get on with the times. Music is not a competition, there's no cheating. Also, Dave Lombardo didn't play 260bpm 16th notes. Oh well, too bad.
You have just relieved an underlying anxiety issue that I’ve had for 4 years. LOL. I purchased this pedal only because of the claim of producing doubles with a single pedal and because I am also an above the knee amputee (left leg). Man I buried myself into this pedal for 3 weeks straight and actually started to get it. That flies out the window the minute that you go back to a standard single pedal. Your quote is true, one must commit completely to this pedal only. I have come to the conclusion that I don’t need to rip double bass that much. Carry on……
I always loved the old Sonor Giant Step pedal. Its a double pedal with a heel lever and a toeboard lever, if you had the stamina to play heel up all the time its super rad!
Play around with your floor Tom. Getting more bass out of your Floor Tom tone and getting it more punchy, then hitting it with a stick between your kick hits, will create the illusion of double bass drumming. Moreover, it will sound better than any double bass pedal as you're using two drums. There's a reason why amazing double bass drummers like dave lombardo, Gene hoglan, Paul Bostaff, etc. Don't use double pedals and instead use two drums with regular single pedals - according to an interview with Dave Lombardo, he basically said that if you're hitting one drum over and over again fast, you're deadening the previous hit with the next hit, as this next hit will essentially stop the drum playing, which means you don't get as good and full of a sound as using two drums, where both drums get hit independently and get to ring out nicely before the next hit, giving a fuller tone. You can also use two different sized drums or tune them differently to get more nuanced sounds. The floor tom trick is pretty popular, but a drummer who uses this really well is El Estepario Siberiano, who even covers metal songs that contain loads of double bass drumming with one foot, using his floor tom as a second bass drum. Recently, I've also seen that he put up a bigger bass/gong drum up on legs like a floor tom to be able to get those sounds easier.
Stephen's 1st reaction is the exact reaction every drummer had when this pedal came out. They now make one with a slave pedal so now triple beats can be achieved or whatever 3x3x3x3x3x3x e=Mc2 lol good.luck
I used to run a recording studio out in the middle of nowhere for local bands. This is exactly what a typical small town drummer, that never practices, sounds like. Only thing is they are using normal gear and not that monstrosity.
When the dualistic came out I was just getting into percussion. I thought it was probably the best invention ever thought of for drumming. Glad I couldn't afford one.
The guitar center here had one a decade ago. They had it setup on a kit and I got used to it pretty quick. It was pretty cool. I was able to get pretty fast 16th notes
Sonor makes a similar pedal called "Twin Effect" Theres a popular video of a French metal drummer playing two of them at the same time on separate bass drums and it's crazy
But it makes much more sense because you can actually play it normal or heeltoe and thats when shit kicks in. Thomann used to sell these back in the for 666 euros :D I wouild love to try em because i play a lot heeltoe stuff.
I had too 2 of these sonor twin effects. It’s way, way hard to control them that it looks, it just melt your brain. Even the single one is really hard to play. And precision and constant volume is hard to achieve, kudos to who can play precisely. But you can have better control of everything you play. I loved them but I sold them (for cheap, btw, nobody wanted them).
You know what I like about this video? It goes against the idea of perfectionism. We see all these videos of all these awesome drummers and we just assume they sit down at the kit and magic happens. We don't see the practice or the struggle when something new challenges them. You both weren't afraid to post a video of yourselves not playing at 100% and it's such a refreshing change.
I used the D3 when I recorded with my old band. The pedal is unique and you do need to make adjustments so the beater strikes are consistent. I also spoke to kevin mackie who designed it and made adjustments like heavier beaters. Once you learn to switch off and not over think its a great piece of kit. I know saxons drummer is endorsed but duallist too.
The Dualist has been occasionally making some fuss in the metal community for something like 10 years. For every one person who can *Kind* of play it, you have 500 others who wouldn't even bother because of how inarticulate and un-intuitive it is. The fact that most drummers can't name a single notable drummer who uses regularly should say enough. Also, even when you learn to play it correctly - you need to use triggers of some variety to make up for the totally inconsistent power that the pedal produces. Which of course artificially inflates the price to use the pedals in any sort of environment where your bass drum needs to be heard.
It’s great for building the muscles to play double bass, I’m not gonna necessarily take it with me to a gig but if I need to practice playing double bass and build my legs up, this pedal is definitely great for that.
I know a guy who epoxied a shoe to his one so that he could have some control on the upstroke. It actually worked pretty well until one show when he forgot his carpet and the bass drum started creeping forward, we all thought he was going to get dragged with it and have a horrible time but he was able to yank using his foot and drag the drum back into position. The downfall came after 25 mins of pushing and pulling, the shoe became unstuck and then he couldn't play properly, or drag the drum back from the edge of the riser. Fond memories.
It'd be sweet if y'all did a challenge where you pick random hardware/drum pieces out of a hat (or David's beard) and you have to play to a track. The hardware would have to be sort of ridiculous, much like this pedal, as well as adding some wacky stuff made in the workshop or whatever you could find. Kinda like an rdavidr game show.
@@jacob6862 I'm hoping one day we can get something like the Coop3rdrumm3r vs Cobus Potgieter drum battle. The Dave/Stephen duo is a match made in heaven, so I do wish more people were on board so they can see the fans asking for it, haha
all the gimich stuff, that "fixes" an issue that it creates, and then makes worse? There's a gang of that stuff out there. That is a great idea. I'd watch it! Like that Tama foot operated drop clutch, or the Tama stilt stands... hmm, a pattern? lol well, that 250 pound Sonor tom mount system on like a GP bass drum, get as far as you can before the bass caves in lmao
In the 1980s when I was a really super serious skateboarder, there were kids who presented themselves as skaters but were just really good at walking on their hands, and so they'd just do handwalks all day and couldn't do any tricks on flat or on ramps at all. This reminds me exactly of that.
This is the perfect pedal for those that want to travel back to the time when we were first learning how to play double bass drum and had zero consistency. David, just be real, its a bad pedal, especially if it's a hindrance. "Can I have a refund, please?" Was gold.
I remember seeing these when I FIRST started drumming many years ago and thinking it was awesome. I had forgotten about them and now I think quite the opposite. Disgusting. They even have a triple pedal apparently. But I mean if it works for you, you do you man. Doesn't matter how you do it if you get the sound you want.
The guys at Dualist today "Did you hear rdavidr and Stephen Taylor did a review of our pedal on RUclips?" "Oh sick! That should help boost sales, lets go check it out." "Oh. Oh God. Oh God No.."
The only drummer I know by name who uses one of these regularly is Will Calhoun of Living Colour: He uses two kicks, his main is a 22 with a Sleishman double pedal (the pedal where both pedals are offset from the center) and a 20 on his left with this Duallist pedal. It's an interesting design and he makes it work, but I don't think I would ever buy this for myself as it doesn't feel natural for me or like something I'd personally have a use for. But if it suits you then by all means go for it!
Whoa. I totally remember these, and I totally remember laughing at them 20 years ago. I always wanted to put two of them on a double bass kit because those runs have to be hilarious.
This was damn funny. Thanks for the vid. While it may not be a good pedal, it's risks like this that lead to successful Innovations. Have to admire the effort.
They also have regular pedals, that are single based. That DuPont material is groundbreaking. Extremely light and strong like carbon fiber. Very fast regular pedal
Are yall really just now hearing about this pedal? Lol I'm surprised they are still around. I remember seeing this in the drum mags 10-15 yrs ago. Long enough ago that ppl were still buying magazines haha
I remember when those came out. I had just started playing drums. And I wanted to play double pedal but couldn’t. So I thought I needed one of those. 😂
Just to offer a slightly different take on these pedals... they are FANTASTIC for percussionists. For example: song has a continuous bongo and/or conga pattern * and * 16ths on tambourine during the chorus? Mount a tamb. on a Gajate bracket, and attach it to the Duallist. Now you can do both at once! Yes, this pedal has issues with feel (and requires A LOT of fine-tuning) due to the design, and requires the player to concentrate on the upstroke just as much as the down... but it has its place. It's just that that place isn't on a drumkit. 😂
Its clever; ill give it that. Im actually really impressed at how even the strokes sound (the down vs. the "rebound" stroke)... looking at this I expected there would be a lot of lag or a really weak upbeat. But they are pretty even doubles. I guess the flip side is that it would be super hard to play this thing dynamically. I'm trying to imagine what it feels like physically and I'm going cross-eyed. And yet I'm positive there's someone out there unironically playing the hell out of this thing; hey... you do you.
It reminds me of those drumsticks with the ring and ball joint so you can "spin" them without learning how to spin them. Playing be bop with that would mess everyone up!
Back in the 90s my drum teacher was some sort of distributor for these things. I never tried one, though, and seeing this you mentioned exactly the issue I expected at the time.
Well you 2 guys just made up my mind ... I was looking at one of these a while back to replace my DW 9000 double pedal .. to clear up some room ... BUT if you both can't make it happen ,, How the Hell am I going to get it ..lol...
I really enjoy watching how these two talented drummers struggle with this simple piece of equipment because it's very much how I struggle with simple equipment.
Steven's face throughout this video is what I look/feel like whenever I try to play RDavidR fills. My brain breaks - Dave, you should do super slow tutorials on some of your fills-
Never mind the nice beat, I'm just amazed to see someone was able to use that pedal the way it was meant to be used. That thing confused tf out of me. I gave up too quick and went back to 2 pedals. Just another example of how awesome this guy is for me.
It takes practice and proper adjustments to get it right. I have 2, 1 for each bass drum. There awesome at some things and limited on others. For the most part, there awesome. The plastic is hight quality and I haven't had any issues and have had them for years. If you want triplets try the triple dualist. Amazing but again limited to certain notes. That's if you can find one. Where did you buy that? Dualist has been out of business for years. No one has them except for the place you bought yours. If your lucky and want to pay huge money you can occasionally find used pedals. I'm using 3 bass drums and have the triple on the third for when I want to do triplets. Quite complex but again adjust the spring tensions, straps and they will both hit well. They have a ton of adjustments especially the triple pedal. So it takes time to get them in the sweet spot. Try metal ball beater's they help make it louder. The triple needs to come with it's own engineer to get the adjustments right. You should try the triple, your minds will blow. Good luck.
Huh? They're not out of business. As far as I can tell they downsized considerably (only place you can actually get their stuff now is their homepage), but there has been increased buzz around the Duallist pedals this past year on social media with a lot more content creators showcasing the pedals and they do have very active Facebook and Instagram pages themselves.
I have one of these with a good Roland edrum set up and I love it! I have complete control of the hi-hat all times and can make some really interesting bass drum patterns at the same time.
Man, I used to want one of these when I was a kid and seeing it in practice, I'm BLOWN AWAY they're charging $650 for it, it just hits me as an ok idea on paper but an absolute mess in practice. There's no transferring skills over with it, and to have no control over the second beater on the upbeat is something I didn't think of until actually watching someone play with one.
I remember dreaming about having two of these on a double bass kit when they first came out. Luckily I didn’t have the money back then, so I was never let down… until now.
More than 20 years ago now, at the British Music Fair, I saw a pedal called 'VRUK', which was a heel/toe strike arrangement with just the one beater. The demo guy was incredibly good on it and if you're into that sort of stuff, I would have thought that drummers would love it, but it just seemed to fade away!
As someone who remembers these first being advertised, desperately wanted one, then tried actually tried one… it’s absolutely crazy to see someone using a Duallist out of the blue and so many years later making it seem like a legit product. Like if Rory McIlroy won the masters and showed he’d been using an old Alien wedge the whole time.
I bought the dualistic back in 2006. The pedal actually felt way better than my stock Pearl as a single and the double action was pretty good considering the limitations. I never had the same issues they are having in this video in double mode. It was really easy to play. I sold the pedal two years later as I was ready to move on to a true double pedal. I bought an iron cobra power glide. The foot board was too short and I tried everything to like the iron cobras, but they just weren't for me. I sold those two years later and bough axis longboards. Still kicking the axis. Love them.
I just got this pedal and I love it. It by no means replaces a single pedal or even a double pedal but its a totally different way to double bass that sounds way different and is way EZer to get the hang of. currently I can't play double bass but I got the hang of this in 4 days at high speeds. now I am learning regular double bass for maximum variation. The dualist does not replace a regular pedal but goes great right next to one. you just clamp both to a board and slip that under the kick drum. You can make the 2nd beater hit the drum a little quicker than the first for some really sweet swinging galuping sounds.
My first thought was wow that's really neat for an amputee who loves metal. Some people are just born with less limbs and this helps those achieve something thought impossible. If there were some band Metal band pros with the same problem therefore mentioned in a huge band I would've known about it. Yet here I am watching this for the first time. Only amputee drummers come to mind is that drummer from def leopard and I think someone else that has a Bionic arm or somthn. Pretty neat idea for those metal heads and others that make it work for them.
They have a triple, which is this with a slave pedal. I've always wanted to play around with a couple of these on 2 bassdrums. Not necessarily for speed, but to experiment with rhythms.
When Stephen looked at it and they played the AOL dial up sounds🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂. They both played this so good lol you guys had me dying the whole video lol. I've honestly never actually seen this pedal before either lol
I have owned an earlier version of the pedal for 5 years now. It is fine in some applications, if you are looking for ghost notes on your bass drum. I know Thomas Lang played a pedal doing something similar about 15 years ago made by Sonor but I think the action was a rocking motion, which I guess you could actually do flams. I am pretty sure Will Calhoun uses this pedal.
I was 30 sec away from buying one of these. Think you just saved me a nice wad of cash thanks fellas. You don't always get to play your own kit and I'd imagine going back to a regular pedal would be a struggle at an unfamiliar gig. I think the concept is a good idea and I can see where they're aiming but don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. Thanks a bunch
I had one of these, probably around 12 years ago had pink writing on the footboard, have mixed feelings, very fast doubles but quite a heavy action, I went direct drive and never looked back but part of me would still love one just for a bit of fun.
@@rdavidr - Oh wow! I would've suspected the opposite! No wonder then the first time I'd ever heard of its existence was through someone selling theirs! 😄 *Happy New Year* David! 😀
I'm not a drummer but would tightening the spring for the "up" beater help its response? Also I've seen a 3 beater version of this that is extra bananas 😀
When I first started drumming in the 90s I had heard that something like existed, but for the next 10 years or so I played I never saw one and decided it would be dumb. Can't believe someone made it.
Prior to this pedal there was another one called the Gemini 3000 or something like that. The heel "plate" was the second pedal. One of the guys at the local music shop would have younger kids (like me) try to play the thing and watch them fail because they all learned to play heel up. The dude couldn't figure out how I could play it until I told him who my teacher was (old jazz dude).
This pedal got us shook
Watch us try and destroy some snare cases! 👉ruclips.net/video/a9EbL8Nw8wM/видео.html 👈
@@rdavidr They also make a triple pedal version. Good stuff. Sonor made a similar version and this guy kills them ruclips.net/video/HvQArNyJMsY/видео.html
Would be hilarious if you filmed yourself playing a regular kick, and reedited the video to make it like you're awesome and he's... well... Would be a very funny RUclips short, even.
@@craigstrickland1572 And he does in boots! mind blown
@@craigstrickland1572 Hahhah wow!!
Or this guy from Henker with Sonor pedal muahahah
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Take this to the next level: buy another one to have a QUADRUPLE pedal.
!!!!!!!
The same company already makes a triple kick pedal, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they made a quadruple kick pedal.
You need a video on this
you beat me to it. double bass, 2 of these, quad!
...you read my mind! 🧠
OR...OR= 4 of them = OCTO-BASS!!! 🐙
The dualist has been around for a very long time (possibly 15+ years); if it was going to make an impact it would have done years ago. I'm quite surprised it's still in production.
This the kinda stuff people say before something blows up
@@Downshift1-6 based on this video is say we're fairly safe from that 😂
I saw Thomas Lang use one of these at a Modern Drummer Festival way back in 2000/2001 and the stuff he was doing with it was *nuts*. But that's really the only time I've ever seen anyone of any notoriety use one 🤷♂️
My drum teacher had this pedal in the end of the 90ties
You’d have to reconfigure how you play drums to incorporate this thing. We can’t all be Thomas Lang lol 😂
My father, a mechanical engineer, discussed this idea with me about 30 years ago, where the upstroke of the pedal would activate a second beater. About 5 minutes into the conversation we decided it was way too impractical. I think we made the right call.
I had the same convo with a hardcore punk drummer about 15 years ago. Great idea but to make it work he just couldn’t get it right
Agreed, I thought of it too, long ago. No, just no.
After watching a ton of El Estepario’s video, I’m just here to say “Your father was a bad engineer”
@@mariinito985 Going for dumbest comment of the year? It's early but you may still win.
Do you think the standard drummer even plays 1/10th of what that guy plays?
Come on, use your brain.
@@sydhamelin1265 I mean it's still early 2024 and I am trying to beat your dad's dumbest statement of the century award, so yeah. Wish me luck dude!
This is basically a device to turn experienced drummers into beginners again.
😂
It's a completely different way to go about double bass. It's a device that has a learning curve of its own, and many drummers cheat with this pedal by putting no power in and instead triggering their drums. Some people can do some good stuff with them, though, like quad bass.
@@AnkothOfficial Saying triggering is cheating is dumb tbh. It's a must at high speeds as you can't hit the drum with enough power for long periods of time at higher tempos.
@Ortho-leaning Really? Tell that to Dave Lombardo, Nico Mcbrain, Gene Hoglan, and many of the old school drummers who somehow managed to do so just fine without any shortcuts. Thrash metal drummers play at high speeds without triggers all the time, yet they sound good. On the flip side, you get all the crappy modern metal (core/tech/djent) drummers who flex their drumming skills and shit but half of them use triggers to shortcut their way into achieving the desired velocity and consistency, leading to drums that sound the same with every hit and have no life or dynamics to them. Why would you bother micing up a bass at that point and not just get an electronic pad? That would save you so much space and money and the sound engineer's wouldn't have to mic up and fuck around with a drum you'll never really use, since you'll just replace it with a sample.
@@AnkothOfficial Oh boohoo. It's the 21st century boomer, get on with the times. Music is not a competition, there's no cheating. Also, Dave Lombardo didn't play 260bpm 16th notes. Oh well, too bad.
You have just relieved an underlying anxiety issue that I’ve had for 4 years. LOL. I purchased this pedal only because of the claim of producing doubles with a single pedal and because I am also an above the knee amputee (left leg). Man I buried myself into this pedal for 3 weeks straight and actually started to get it. That flies out the window the minute that you go back to a standard single pedal. Your quote is true, one must commit completely to this pedal only. I have come to the conclusion that I don’t need to rip double bass that much. Carry on……
And that's what drummers do. What? No leg? No arm? or like me, blind? We be ahight, we got this!
I always loved the old Sonor Giant Step pedal. Its a double pedal with a heel lever and a toeboard lever, if you had the stamina to play heel up all the time its super rad!
Play around with your floor Tom. Getting more bass out of your Floor Tom tone and getting it more punchy, then hitting it with a stick between your kick hits, will create the illusion of double bass drumming. Moreover, it will sound better than any double bass pedal as you're using two drums. There's a reason why amazing double bass drummers like dave lombardo, Gene hoglan, Paul Bostaff, etc. Don't use double pedals and instead use two drums with regular single pedals - according to an interview with Dave Lombardo, he basically said that if you're hitting one drum over and over again fast, you're deadening the previous hit with the next hit, as this next hit will essentially stop the drum playing, which means you don't get as good and full of a sound as using two drums, where both drums get hit independently and get to ring out nicely before the next hit, giving a fuller tone. You can also use two different sized drums or tune them differently to get more nuanced sounds.
The floor tom trick is pretty popular, but a drummer who uses this really well is El Estepario Siberiano, who even covers metal songs that contain loads of double bass drumming with one foot, using his floor tom as a second bass drum. Recently, I've also seen that he put up a bigger bass/gong drum up on legs like a floor tom to be able to get those sounds easier.
If Lars Ulrich made a double pedal it would sound and feel just like this.
This pedal makes you sound like Lars 😂
If only you were on his level. Way below kid. 😆😝
Hahaha! It was literally first thing I thought of. Both of your comments made me lol! 😂
Cold blooded, but Fucking hilarious!!!!!
C'mon now, let's be fair. That fuckin thing sounds better than Lars! 😮
Utah Kid.......
First making me play a bunch of Wuhans, now this. Next time I come to your place I'm setting your drums on fire david. 🔥
HAHAHAHAHA
Or you could steal one of his snares and give it away 😏
too bad theyre all in humes & berg cases 😈
Stephen's 1st reaction is the exact reaction every drummer had when this pedal came out. They now make one with a slave pedal so now triple beats can be achieved or whatever 3x3x3x3x3x3x e=Mc2 lol good.luck
Rdavidr you got case money !? Whoa..
Looking at 2 drummers with WAY more experience than me struggling like this make me feel SO MUCH BETTER!!!!
Thank you so much ^^ Best vid ever!
I used to run a recording studio out in the middle of nowhere for local bands. This is exactly what a typical small town drummer, that never practices, sounds like. Only thing is they are using normal gear and not that monstrosity.
Duallist actually makes a TRIPLE pedal that combines one of these with a left-footed bass pedal for EXTREME ACTION
Not just a triple pedal, but a QUADRUPLE pedal. Look up the drummer Morgan Sansous. It's worth it, I promise 😂
Played the triple pedal , made Iron Maiden galloping bass drum licks very easy
I thought they made a pedal that instead of the button at the bottom of the pedal you just shifted the pedal the the side to engage the double beater?
Guido wyuss.... check out the sonor giant beat pedals!!!
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When the dualistic came out I was just getting into percussion. I thought it was probably the best invention ever thought of for drumming. Glad I couldn't afford one.
Another solution to a problem that never existed.
Idk, could be useful for an amputee who loves metal. Pretty niche but there's probably some out there.
That's capitalism, mang. Mining the planet for shite like this.
@@fishysquidman5689 or if you want to play double bass while also opening/closing the hihats.
I can’t play double bass quick enough so that would help me
Not everything is a problem that needs solving - some things are just fun or interesting to some people
Alternate Title: 2 really talented drummers find a way to make themselves sound terrible
Who said that they needed help. Looks to me like one fool helping another. HEY!!!!......Dualing IDIOTS!!!!.....great new name for this channel.
The guitar center here had one a decade ago. They had it setup on a kit and I got used to it pretty quick. It was pretty cool. I was able to get pretty fast 16th notes
Sonor makes a similar pedal called "Twin Effect"
Theres a popular video of a French metal drummer playing two of them at the same time on separate bass drums and it's crazy
But it makes much more sense because you can actually play it normal or heeltoe and thats when shit kicks in. Thomann used to sell these back in the for 666 euros :D I wouild love to try em because i play a lot heeltoe stuff.
Link?
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I had too 2 of these sonor twin effects.
It’s way, way hard to control them that it looks, it just melt your brain.
Even the single one is really hard to play.
And precision and constant volume is hard to achieve, kudos to who can play precisely.
But you can have better control of everything you play.
I loved them but I sold them (for cheap, btw, nobody wanted them).
@@besticouldget drum-tec has one for 160€ I think
This looks like something that shouldn’t even exist in our world
Also the way Stephen reacted to it at the end was hilarious 😂
It was. I saw one of them decades ago. After seeing this, I love my double bass pedal
These mf’s just don’t know how to use the damn thing 😂
You know what I like about this video? It goes against the idea of perfectionism. We see all these videos of all these awesome drummers and we just assume they sit down at the kit and magic happens. We don't see the practice or the struggle when something new challenges them. You both weren't afraid to post a video of yourselves not playing at 100% and it's such a refreshing change.
Now we need to see this tested out on a double bass drum kit! See if we can get to 600bpm lol
search "quadruple blasting" on youtube. you wont be disappointed 😂
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That was the first thing that came to mind lol
I'm sure some guy did it, I know I have it on my dream kit
@@rdavidr I can confirm. Was not disappointed lol
I used the D3 when I recorded with my old band. The pedal is unique and you do need to make adjustments so the beater strikes are consistent. I also spoke to kevin mackie who designed it and made adjustments like heavier beaters. Once you learn to switch off and not over think its a great piece of kit. I know saxons drummer is endorsed but duallist too.
The Dualist has been occasionally making some fuss in the metal community for something like 10 years. For every one person who can *Kind* of play it, you have 500 others who wouldn't even bother because of how inarticulate and un-intuitive it is. The fact that most drummers can't name a single notable drummer who uses regularly should say enough.
Also, even when you learn to play it correctly - you need to use triggers of some variety to make up for the totally inconsistent power that the pedal produces. Which of course artificially inflates the price to use the pedals in any sort of environment where your bass drum needs to be heard.
this
Will calhoun used it pretty damn well
It’s great for building the muscles to play double bass, I’m not gonna necessarily take it with me to a gig but if I need to practice playing double bass and build my legs up, this pedal is definitely great for that.
The drummer for Henker uses the quadruple version and he’s CRAZY fast with it
Didnt Charlie Benante use one?
I know a guy who epoxied a shoe to his one so that he could have some control on the upstroke. It actually worked pretty well until one show when he forgot his carpet and the bass drum started creeping forward, we all thought he was going to get dragged with it and have a horrible time but he was able to yank using his foot and drag the drum back into position. The downfall came after 25 mins of pushing and pulling, the shoe became unstuck and then he couldn't play properly, or drag the drum back from the edge of the riser. Fond memories.
It'd be sweet if y'all did a challenge where you pick random hardware/drum pieces out of a hat (or David's beard) and you have to play to a track. The hardware would have to be sort of ridiculous, much like this pedal, as well as adding some wacky stuff made in the workshop or whatever you could find. Kinda like an rdavidr game show.
Why tf aren’t more people liking this, this sounds like an extremely funny idea.
@@jacob6862 I'm hoping one day we can get something like the Coop3rdrumm3r vs Cobus Potgieter drum battle. The Dave/Stephen duo is a match made in heaven, so I do wish more people were on board so they can see the fans asking for it, haha
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all the gimich stuff, that "fixes" an issue that it creates, and then makes worse? There's a gang of that stuff out there. That is a great idea. I'd watch it! Like that Tama foot operated drop clutch, or the Tama stilt stands... hmm, a pattern? lol well, that 250 pound Sonor tom mount system on like a GP bass drum, get as far as you can before the bass caves in lmao
In the 1980s when I was a really super serious skateboarder, there were kids who presented themselves as skaters but were just really good at walking on their hands, and so they'd just do handwalks all day and couldn't do any tricks on flat or on ramps at all. This reminds me exactly of that.
This is the perfect pedal for those that want to travel back to the time when we were first learning how to play double bass drum and had zero consistency. David, just be real, its a bad pedal, especially if it's a hindrance. "Can I have a refund, please?" Was gold.
I remember seeing these when I FIRST started drumming many years ago and thinking it was awesome. I had forgotten about them and now I think quite the opposite. Disgusting. They even have a triple pedal apparently. But I mean if it works for you, you do you man. Doesn't matter how you do it if you get the sound you want.
my thoughts exactly. I wanted one sooooo bad back in the day lol
I can see value in the triple pedal, but the double just seems like a noob trap
The guys at Dualist today
"Did you hear rdavidr and Stephen Taylor did a review of our pedal on RUclips?"
"Oh sick! That should help boost sales, lets go check it out."
"Oh. Oh God. Oh God No.."
The only drummer I know by name who uses one of these regularly is Will Calhoun of Living Colour: He uses two kicks, his main is a 22 with a Sleishman double pedal (the pedal where both pedals are offset from the center) and a 20 on his left with this Duallist pedal. It's an interesting design and he makes it work, but I don't think I would ever buy this for myself as it doesn't feel natural for me or like something I'd personally have a use for. But if it suits you then by all means go for it!
Imagine 2 of these tho😳😳😳
ah yes, the innate instinct of drummers to stare at your feet when they're not doing what you want them to do
It’s important to look really confused, too. Everyone needs to know that you don’t know what’s going on, either.
I looked at the pedal adjust the spring tension on the auto beater, it’s reversed. My theory is that the tighter it is the harder it hits.
Whoa. I totally remember these, and I totally remember laughing at them 20 years ago. I always wanted to put two of them on a double bass kit because those runs have to be hilarious.
This was damn funny. Thanks for the vid. While it may not be a good pedal, it's risks like this that lead to successful Innovations. Have to admire the effort.
I think the idea was there, but there's to many outside variables to make this usable.
Thank you for attending my TED talk.
I feel like this was designed by an engineer that wasn't actually a drummer.
This is EXACTLY the feeling I had the first time I tried a double bass pedal. It's like relearning to play the drums.
They also have regular pedals, that are single based. That DuPont material is groundbreaking. Extremely light and strong like carbon fiber. Very fast regular pedal
Only thing missing were the "wait wait wait!" you shout like a kid showing a new trick !
Hahahaha ! Great stuff guys !
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Are yall really just now hearing about this pedal? Lol I'm surprised they are still around. I remember seeing this in the drum mags 10-15 yrs ago. Long enough ago that ppl were still buying magazines haha
I had literally never heard of this pedal...I was completely confused when he brought it out. Total truth right there
@@StephenTaylorDrums Yea. It never got popular for obvious gimmicky reasons. Lol I was more surprised with seeing it in a video from 2022 haha
@@StephenTaylorDrums oh. You should see if you can find their 3 beater double pedal! Lol I'm serious. They made em...
Longer than that. I had the triple version well over 15 years ago! It was terrible then too.
That Action Would Drive Me NUTS! Thank you for suffering through for all of us!!!!! LOL
It's not supposed to, because a double bass is much easier to control and let's be honest, looks 1000x cooler
“Ah that’s just gross” pretty much sums it up perfectly with honorable mention going to “ I’m not excited about this at all”.
I remember when those came out. I had just started playing drums. And I wanted to play double pedal but couldn’t. So I thought I needed one of those. 😂
That was EXACTLY me back in middle school when I first saw a video of one. I wanted one so bad😂
Dude, you had me cracking up at the "..I thought staring at it would help." tag... Too funny. 🤘
This pedal is the answer to a question that no one is asking.
If you want to see Duallists used to full potential check this out. 2 duallists, 1 kit. Quad bass Setup.
ruclips.net/video/soeo-r0cu1E/видео.html
I know: Get a second bass drum with another Duallist on it.
I did that already. Check this out
ruclips.net/video/soeo-r0cu1E/видео.html
“You ever seen one of these before?!” “……….I don’t know” 😂😂😂😂😂
So, as the tradition goes, I will now enter that comment : "Make a drumkit just with pedals!"
Just to offer a slightly different take on these pedals... they are FANTASTIC for percussionists.
For example: song has a continuous bongo and/or conga pattern * and * 16ths on tambourine during the chorus? Mount a tamb. on a Gajate bracket, and attach it to the Duallist. Now you can do both at once!
Yes, this pedal has issues with feel (and requires A LOT of fine-tuning) due to the design, and requires the player to concentrate on the upstroke just as much as the down... but it has its place. It's just that that place isn't on a drumkit. 😂
The funny thing is...the first time I heard about double bass pedals 15 years ago, I totally thought this is how they actually worked 🤣
Its clever; ill give it that. Im actually really impressed at how even the strokes sound (the down vs. the "rebound" stroke)... looking at this I expected there would be a lot of lag or a really weak upbeat. But they are pretty even doubles. I guess the flip side is that it would be super hard to play this thing dynamically.
I'm trying to imagine what it feels like physically and I'm going cross-eyed. And yet I'm positive there's someone out there unironically playing the hell out of this thing; hey... you do you.
Seems like the dualist kind of sucks, thanks for the vid
Surprise surprise
@@toivo.u I was thinking of getting one a while back for quadruple bass.. Don’trhink i’ll be doing that
It reminds me of those drumsticks with the ring and ball joint so you can "spin" them without learning how to spin them. Playing be bop with that would mess everyone up!
Cheating and it sucks!!
Back in the 90s my drum teacher was some sort of distributor for these things. I never tried one, though, and seeing this you mentioned exactly the issue I expected at the time.
Well you 2 guys just made up my mind ... I was looking at one of these a while back to replace my DW 9000 double pedal .. to clear up some room ... BUT if you both can't make it happen ,, How the Hell am I going to get it ..lol...
I really enjoy watching how these two talented drummers struggle with this simple piece of equipment because it's very much how I struggle with simple equipment.
That’s exactly what I thought that thing would do. Thanks for filming & sharing!
That’s a clean ass groove on that bass drum with that Dualist! Mad respect! That pedal melted my brain! 😂
Steven's face throughout this video is what I look/feel like whenever I try to play RDavidR fills. My brain breaks - Dave, you should do super slow tutorials on some of your fills-
Never mind the nice beat, I'm just amazed to see someone was able to use that pedal the way it was meant to be used. That thing confused tf out of me. I gave up too quick and went back to 2 pedals. Just another example of how awesome this guy is for me.
It takes practice and proper adjustments to get it right. I have 2, 1 for each bass drum. There awesome at some things and limited on others. For the most part, there awesome. The plastic is hight quality and I haven't had any issues and have had them for years. If you want triplets try the triple dualist. Amazing but again limited to certain notes. That's if you can find one. Where did you buy that? Dualist has been out of business for years. No one has them except for the place you bought yours. If your lucky and want to pay huge money you can occasionally find used pedals. I'm using 3 bass drums and have the triple on the third for when I want to do triplets. Quite complex but again adjust the spring tensions, straps and they will both hit well. They have a ton of adjustments especially the triple pedal. So it takes time to get them in the sweet spot. Try metal ball beater's they help make it louder. The triple needs to come with it's own engineer to get the adjustments right. You should try the triple, your minds will blow. Good luck.
Huh? They're not out of business. As far as I can tell they downsized considerably (only place you can actually get their stuff now is their homepage), but there has been increased buzz around the Duallist pedals this past year on social media with a lot more content creators showcasing the pedals and they do have very active Facebook and Instagram pages themselves.
"Let's do triplets" =D
this had me in stitches, thanks guys!
The memes in the first part have been top tier amigo. 👌
I have one of these with a good Roland edrum set up and I love it! I have complete control of the hi-hat all times and can make some really interesting bass drum patterns at the same time.
Man, I used to want one of these when I was a kid and seeing it in practice, I'm BLOWN AWAY they're charging $650 for it, it just hits me as an ok idea on paper but an absolute mess in practice. There's no transferring skills over with it, and to have no control over the second beater on the upbeat is something I didn't think of until actually watching someone play with one.
Do a double bass with two of those pedals 😯 That would be nuts!
I missed this channel. Fell off my YT homepage a few years ago for some reason and then I remembered about it
You guys just broke the internet lol, this is one of the funniest things to watch 🤣 🤘🤘
I remember dreaming about having two of these on a double bass kit when they first came out. Luckily I didn’t have the money back then, so I was never let down… until now.
More than 20 years ago now, at the British Music Fair, I saw a pedal called 'VRUK', which was a heel/toe strike arrangement with just the one beater. The demo guy was incredibly good on it and if you're into that sort of stuff, I would have thought that drummers would love it, but it just seemed to fade away!
The funniest thing I've seen this year so far. :)))))))) Thank you, guys! =)))))))))
Never watched your videos before and I was laughing the whole first minute because of ingenious editing 🤣
As someone who remembers these first being advertised, desperately wanted one, then tried actually tried one… it’s absolutely crazy to see someone using a Duallist out of the blue and so many years later making it seem like a legit product.
Like if Rory McIlroy won the masters and showed he’d been using an old Alien wedge the whole time.
I feel so gratified seeing this pedal so many years later and seeing what a load of GOOP this thing is
I bought the dualistic back in 2006. The pedal actually felt way better than my stock Pearl as a single and the double action was pretty good considering the limitations. I never had the same issues they are having in this video in double mode. It was really easy to play. I sold the pedal two years later as I was ready to move on to a true double pedal. I bought an iron cobra power glide. The foot board was too short and I tried everything to like the iron cobras, but they just weren't for me. I sold those two years later and bough axis longboards. Still kicking the axis. Love them.
I just got this pedal and I love it. It by no means replaces a single pedal or even a double pedal but its a totally different way to double bass that sounds way different and is way EZer to get the hang of. currently I can't play double bass but I got the hang of this in 4 days at high speeds. now I am learning regular double bass for maximum variation. The dualist does not replace a regular pedal but goes great right next to one. you just clamp both to a board and slip that under the kick drum. You can make the 2nd beater hit the drum a little quicker than the first for some really sweet swinging galuping sounds.
My first thought was wow that's really neat for an amputee who loves metal. Some people are just born with less limbs and this helps those achieve something thought impossible. If there were some band Metal band pros with the same problem therefore mentioned in a huge band I would've known about it. Yet here I am watching this for the first time. Only amputee drummers come to mind is that drummer from def leopard and I think someone else that has a Bionic arm or somthn. Pretty neat idea for those metal heads and others that make it work for them.
They have a triple, which is this with a slave pedal. I've always wanted to play around with a couple of these on 2 bassdrums. Not necessarily for speed, but to experiment with rhythms.
Wow, this is a blast from the past. I remember a buddy of mine bought one back in the day. After a week he threw off the roof of his rehearsal space.
Funnily enough, my middle school had something like that and I was very surprised finding out about the common double bass pedals.
When Stephen looked at it and they played the AOL dial up sounds🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂. They both played this so good lol you guys had me dying the whole video lol. I've honestly never actually seen this pedal before either lol
I have owned an earlier version of the pedal for 5 years now. It is fine in some applications, if you are looking for ghost notes on your bass drum. I know Thomas Lang played a pedal doing something similar about 15 years ago made by Sonor but I think the action was a rocking motion, which I guess you could actually do flams. I am pretty sure Will Calhoun uses this pedal.
I was 30 sec away from buying one of these. Think you just saved me a nice wad of cash thanks fellas. You don't always get to play your own kit and I'd imagine going back to a regular pedal would be a struggle at an unfamiliar gig. I think the concept is a good idea and I can see where they're aiming but don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. Thanks a bunch
I had one of these, probably around 12 years ago had pink writing on the footboard, have mixed feelings, very fast doubles but quite a heavy action, I went direct drive and never looked back but part of me would still love one just for a bit of fun.
Looks like a great way to bring good drummers down to my level
Dude I’ve seen this pedal in the back of Modern Drummer for years in the ad section… I’ve never actually seen it in action. Thanks!
That's pretty cool that you can control the pedal as a single or a double.
I remember seeing these in a Musician's Friend catalogue in high school and being mesmerized. I always wondered how'd it's play.
Lol 30+ years since I first tried one of those. It's fun to see they're still not any easier 😜
This is pretty hilarious like right handed guitarist trying to play left handed or something.
I'd like to see Dave Lombardo with 2 of these!
That was fun! Thank you guys! 😄👍 Maybe also try one of those 'single double' pedals where you play the 'second' pedal with your heel! 😀
I actually have one of those too, believe it or not. its WAY harder than the duallist haha
@@rdavidr - Oh wow! I would've suspected the opposite! No wonder then the first time I'd ever heard of its existence was through someone selling theirs! 😄 *Happy New Year* David! 😀
I'm not a drummer but would tightening the spring for the "up" beater help its response?
Also I've seen a 3 beater version of this that is extra bananas 😀
That is Krazee as hell !! Nico McBrain meet your match Lol!!!
When I first started drumming in the 90s I had heard that something like existed, but for the next 10 years or so I played I never saw one and decided it would be dumb. Can't believe someone made it.
Now this is the promo video I've been waiting for. lol
That's very entertaining. Don't want one but it's funny to watch. Still laughing.
Prior to this pedal there was another one called the Gemini 3000 or something like that. The heel "plate" was the second pedal. One of the guys at the local music shop would have younger kids (like me) try to play the thing and watch them fail because they all learned to play heel up. The dude couldn't figure out how I could play it until I told him who my teacher was (old jazz dude).
Nice to see u two guys together...2 points of views...interesting device...thanks for the entertainment and advice guys!!