6 Reasons Calvinism is a Cult
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- 6 reasons Calvinism and reformed theology is a cult. I respond to two comments left on my channel, one listing reasons why Calvinism is a cult and the second comment defending Calvinism as not being a cult but Biblical
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I’ve been a believer for over 40 years and the only fruit I’ve ever seen from Calvinism is division, confusion and despair. God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.
@@sandrasosnoski3338 What is the point to agreeing if you want the total Soveranity of God.
Calvinism are guilty of defending the total Soveranity of God, that's it.
If you reject such a fundamental attribute of God, who do you want to unite with?
@@KingPopla Thank God HE is absolutely sovereign or NONE would be saved. HE doesn't owe man anything --- we WILL NOT come and our deadness won't let us come
You are spot on. To your list I'd add from my first 20 years immersed in Purest Calvinism 24/7, family members pitted against family over meaningless 6 syllable words, like splicing fine silk with an axe. So very sad to see the entire family break up and away from each other. And for what?? Thinking they get extra points for Heaven if they win the argument??
That's also when I learned that Calvinists MUST WIN the argument even if TRUTH gets chucked out the window. Such a sick crazy "theology" that was formed to mirror Calvin's own dark twisted mind and heart. The above was 50 years ago and the family still bears the scars. Only Satan wins when this happens as that's the way he designed his masterful deception.
Division, Arrogance, Exclusivity, not the Fruit of the Spirit. I reject the "fruit" of calvin... and his "isim"
@@StephenReynolds_MasterMind So you believe THAT you CHOSE to be saved? If you ARE SAVED --- God in mercy chose you. If you chose HIM -- you could BOAST BUT God won't have boasting !!!!
Calvin cannot help anyone. Only Christ does.
I have a few personal experiences with two calvinist churches.....I experienced arrogance, pride, unloving treatment, and one really does not have calvinism in their Faith statements. But make no mistake, they are over run with the young restless and reformed.....and at the point they know you renounce all 5 points, you're shown the door indirectly. Interestingly, I can have fellowship with calvinists but they cannot with me. Calvinism is serious error and the fruit is rotten.
And I have seen the same in Pentecostal churches because guess what? All churches are filled with sinners. Something you may want to ponder harder on.
@@rogervincent2092Really? Because you told me that you became Calvinist because someone said that Calvinism is true and also that you stopped being Pentecostal because you thought it was “silly”.
@@ivanodosreis4921 Well then you read wrong, my friend. I didn't become a Calvinists because someone said Calvinism was true????? nor did I call Pentecostalism silly????? I said there were some silly things in Pentecostalism like speaking in unintelligible gibberish.
@@rogervincent2092I was in a cult that also believed in Limited atonement so that's when I knew the messages from their pulpit are messages of man and not from God. I don't know how a person can misinterprete scripture so poorly! 😮
@@rogervincent2092 That’s exactly my point.
God is not willing that any should perish.
I don't think that verse means what you think it means... Thanks princess bride
@@bucky91361you don't seem to have an indication what edean is saying at all - but good job being snarky for your own ego.
@@bucky91361 And why don’t you tell us exactly what it mean, professor?
@@jars7774 yeah, the professor comment tells me how serious you are to hear what I have to say.
But, for the sake of anyone reading this that has interest in God's Word let me explain what the verse IS saying....
In typical cherry picking form I'm sure @deancozzens3833 is assuming the verse is a proof text that refutes Calvinism because of "any". If He's not willing that "any" should perish that destroys limited atonement, right? Wrong!
2 Peter 3:9 is a perfect example of this cherry picking. Anti-calvinist take that portion of the verse and say "see, God doesn't want anyone to perish. He's talking about the whole world"!
Read the context! Peter says, US and BELOVED over and over throughout this discourse. Who are the US and the BELOVED? Believers!
When he says "not wishing that ANY should perish" he's talking about ANY of the believers!
My goodness! If anything, this is proof text for election!
So, professor, what else do you want to know?
@@jars7774 yeah, the professor comment tells me how serious you are to hear what I have to say.
But, for the sake of anyone reading this that has interest in God's Word let me explain what the verse is saying....
In typical cherry picking form I'm sure @deancozzens3833 is assuming the verse is a proof text that refutes Calvinism because of "any". If He's not willing that "any" should perish that destroys limited atonement, right? Wrong!
2 Peter 3:9 is a perfect example of this cherry picking. Anti-calvinist take that portion of the verse and say "see, God doesn't want anyone to perish. He talking about the whole world"!
Read the context! Peter says, US and BELOVED over and over throughout this discourse. Who are the US and the BELOVED? Believers!
When he says "not wishing that ANY should perish" he's talking about ANY of the believers!
My goodness! If anything, this is proof text for election!
So, professor, what else do you want to know?
This happened to my church that was organized by my father. It functioned for over 50 years before a CALVINISTIC pastor came in. I warned everyone (old people) but they wouldn’t listen. A couple of years later they changed the name. So frustrating! So angry!😡
Sorry that happened. Thanks though for affirming what I am saying is real. God bless you!
@@faithonfireministries
Once saved always saved is a false teaching and it's not supported by scripture.
Yup. My wife and I left a non-denominational Calvinistic church after four years. The Sunday School teacher treated us horribly and we keep in touch with almost zero people from that church since then.
We went through the same thing for about 1.5 years in 2021 during the Coocoovid season. We left our original church because they were so filled with COVID fear in was becoming irrational (encouraging vaccines, pastor preaching behind a plastic pulpit, we were disowned because we chose not to be jabbed. Anyway, we end in a church because they stayed opened and seemed rational at the time and appeared genuinely loving. Until....we started sharing that we were not keen on the preaching of Calvinism. They turned really mean and judgemental and told we didn't really know the scriptures. Just for reference, I graduated with a Bachelor's in theology and ho,d several Diplomas in pastoral counseling and my wife has a BA in sociology and Education. It was truly heartbreaking to watch their 'love' disappear the minute we tried to gently share our perspective on the scriptures. Its going on two years and we still haven't found a church completely free of reform or Calvinist doctrine. God bless and I hope you found a church.
@@eugenejoseph7076Where do you reside? And are most churches in your area Reformed?
@@eugenejoseph7076 Good for you. Same story here. Cults members only love you when you sing their song. I have been out of the brick and mortar churches for about 5 years. The cancer of Calvinism is in every church that I have considered trying. God warned us about the end days. They will have a form of Godliness (Ritual) but deny the power (Christ and the Bible) and follow doctrines of demons, and another gospel. Demon led teachers like John MacArthur , R C Sproul, John Piper, Paul Washer, Voddio Baucham are satans apostle today. All getting rich and taking millions to destruction with them !
So calvinism is refuted by a single mean sunday school teacher. Excellent way of discerning the truths of God.
@@rwhite3831 Even a child in Sunday school cab refute the Deformed Tulip message! Its demonic and a Cult.
Even though this is in plain English a Calvinist can't see or understand it.
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Having written the comment that Brian spoke about, I can say FIRSTHAND that many Calvinist churches fly under the radar. I am slightly embarrassed to say that I was duped and "stealthy deceived" for 3 years unknowingly attending a stealth Calvinist church where they intentionally kept their head scratching 5-point tulip under wraps. Once I was enlightened by someone on what they ACTUALLY believed, I completely felt like the emperor with no clothes on. I got out of there as fast as a rabbit being chased by a dog.
I've been born again for 38 years, love the Word of God, and have had a BIG passion all these years in the area of studying cults in order to defend the truth. I admit that I was completely blindsided (and again embarrassed) that I ended up in a church that was never upfront on their beliefs that Jesus does not love everyone, did not die for everyone, and does not want everyone to be saved. And the craziest doctrine of all? That God has given man the choice to choose ANYTHING in his life (like picking a dog or a cat as a pet or choosing peppermint or chocolate marshmallow ice cream to enjoy... I would choose peppermint), but the only choice man cannot have is being able to choose where he will spend eternity. How anyone can fall for this is beyond me (I can hear a Calvinist saying right now "he doesn't understand Calvinism").
So let me get this straight... What a truthful full-fledged card-carrying Calvinist believes is that the vast majority of people on earth (those wide road folks) who are breathing at this very moment were born to live on this earth, and then die only to be sent to hell for all eternity (to glorify God of course), with ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHOICE in their life to repent and turn to Christ for eternal life? How any person can swallow this is about as confusing as attempting to tackle a Rubics cube.
Again, I truly love Calvinist people but can never drink their Kool-Aid. It simply is an entirely different gospel that does not bring "good news that will cause great joy for ALL THE PEOPLE." Like Jesus who loved the Pharisees but warned against their doctrines, we are to love Calvinists but condemn their theology and twisted view that God does not love all or desire all to come to salvation.
Thanks again for that comment. It had been on the back of mind to do exactly this type of video for some time listing precise reasons Calvinism is a cult, and you really helped out by writing that comment. That gave me the spark I needed and encouraged me to not delay further but go with your list of which I wholeheartedly agreed with. God bless you for that great insight!
@@Jesusisking235 A consistent reading of Romans 9 answers your question that, yes, there are many that God has predestined for destruction as part of His glory. Verses 19-21 treat this as a given: "You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?"
Your trouble with this fact is between you and scripture, not with Calvinist boogeymen.
God's love is no less for the truth that He has lavished it on His chosen people. Neither is a man less loving generally because he loves his wife exclusively from all other women.
You are loved by God because He first loved you, NOT because you just happened to be one of the random passersby who signed up at God's salvation booth. God, through His Holy Spirit draws His particular people; He isn't a beggar in the street hoping that maybe someone will respond.
Breaking through our Western cultural mindset of free will is a hard task, but patient consideration of Scripture must needs do so.
It is the part of a friend to correct his error. This objection is erroneous and I encourage you to dig into why. I'm not saying this because I think I'm at all smarter or better than you, but because I wish you to be able to come to delight in the truth of this Scripture as I have. The trek from misunderstanding to understanding takes time for everyone. I would have you a fellow pilgrim on that road.
John Calvin came up with cessationism which is a heresy.
Miracles have not ceased, only if done like the bible did it. Miracles in the bible were not confined to church because the purpose was for the sinners to believe you don't see that today or it would be in the news and the internet.
@@kgar5StringMiracles still occur all the time and the testimonials are innumerable. Cessationists just refuse to believe no matter what wonderful things happen. They shoot every messenger.
I’m predestined to not be a Calvinist.
I'm predestined to be one.🫠
@@savedby_grace6110your not a lucky pick. Your sin deserves hell just as much as anyone. God didn’t say hey that guy I like that guys personhood. No. All sinned and only the ones who choose to believe will be saved not by luck of the Irish.
@@savedby_grace6110 You’re missing a beard to go with the smug look in that photo. …
@@savedby_grace6110read the verse talking about how if we go by the Law we all stand guilty already. It says how if you’ve sinned once, you stand guilty of the entire law already, so it’s impossible to go by it.
Regeneration precedes faith.
Its a Cult of some people who think they elect.
Cult isn’t occult
@beautifulbuds .........help me understand your argument. Do you think that you're saved? If so, then you must be in a cult for thinking you're "a choice meat" (as Leighton would put it) because in your view election doesn't really mean election, it's more of a selection by God because of something you did.
If you don't think you're saved then you have bigger issues to worry about.
They called Jesus a cult he said they will say the same of you.
"people who think they elect" - I suspect you just accidentally flubbed your typing, and meant to accuse Calvinists of thinking they're "God's favorites" due to something special within them. But that's not at all what we're saying.
In fact, your mistyping characterizes your view of yourselves quite well. By denying God's election and calling you, rather than others around you, you're claiming to have been the ones who have chosen God - which is the arrogant position that a Christian is someone who is smart and moral enough to choose to serve God, even as most people choose to reject Him.
The doctrine of election helps us see that it's not that we are wiser than the majority who do not believe, but simply privileged beyond what we deserve. The elect of God should know we can take ZERO credit for our salvation. The Armenian interpretation leaves you wondering why you "get it" when others do not.
So when a Calvinist says he is among the elect of The Lord, he's saying "I have no way of explaining it based on my own merit or wisdom or insight, but God has shown Himself to me, and because he's given faith to me, I believe and am saved!"
The Bible teaches that some people are the elect.
I would say, get to know the Bible as much as possible. You won’t believe in Calvinism.
The exact opposite
Thank you for this. After being saved and Spirit filled for more than 40 years, and not being able to figure out my testimony; this video has now crystallised my salvation story. I grew up in a calvinist society. All you said is true. Now I understand what I was delivered from. And today I understand for the first time the unresolved spiritual issues I have even now, I now realise is rooted in calvinism doctrines. There is so much more I can say about it, but firstly I am so relieved, thank you Jesus. ❤
Thanks for calling out this cult for what it is, a cult.
@tedfordhyde Respectfully, do you know what a 'cult' is?
Christ only & not Calvinism
All those who call themselves Calvinists, believe Christ only, as well. For there is no other name under heaven, whereby you must be saved. The five points were determined at the Synod of Dort, in response to the five points of Arminianism - sometime in the early 1600's.
@@williambradley8799and this is why the church in America is in such peril today, people refuse to learn church history. These people who hate God's doctrines, as found in Scripture, have been brain washed into hating a system of theology. They can't quite explain why, or make an intelligible argument, but they just know Calvinism is of the devil because their favorite pastor told them so. It reminds me of people who have this blind irrational hatred for Trump.
@@williambradley8799And before that council, He has manifested Himself, made Himself known through His chosen people and that’s all there is to it.
Any other council at any time in history that does not reafirm the OT teachings on God, is a heresy.
@@jars7774 One of the basic points of Calvinism, is that God does the choosing. He chose Job to be trialed by Satan, Noah, Jonah, Abraham, Jacob over Esau, David, Moses to lead His chosen people, all of the prophets of the OT, John the Baptist, the twelve disciples, and all that He awakens by His Spirit (All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out and My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me - the irresistible call).
@@williambradley8799 Forget Calvinism and stick to the Bible, which tells us that God made a plan and He has been working throughout history to bring it to fruition.
Along the way He chose his people and the means by which this was going to be put in place.
He chose all those people you have listed and many not mentioned for service, not for salvation.
How can you know the Scriptures where Paul calls out followers of men (I am of Paul; I am of Apollos) and still think it is OK to call yourself a Calvinist, instead of a servant of Christ. I have found most Calvinists that I have known think that knowing God is simply a matter of mental gymnastics where one mentally ascends to God. The more mentally challenging the better. The more complex the components of the famous "confessions" are to understand the better Christian, it makes you, if you study and approve the intellectual explanations of what we are supposed to believe. When in fact, it has very little to do with coming to the saving knowledge of God. Striving to fully understand God strictly in an intellectual capacity is not even possible and can lead to total mental breakdown. Many I have found have the uncanny ability to have disconnected hearts from their minds.
Indeed many Calvanists are somewhat self righteous. The ones I know personally are in love with Jesus and on fire for the gospel
You people are judging not by way of scriptire. You are the hypicrite ones.
Defent the biblical docrines, if you are correct, people will learn. But your smear campaign agaist Calvinism makes you worst of hypocrites.
You can't even articulated what Calvinism teaches, nor can you articulate your own teachings becouse just like the maker of this video, you read biblical verses in asolation to the rest of the biblical teachings. It's Sad.
@@KingPopla 100% right, If they would be concerned for the souls instead of hurling insults. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks/fingers type.
@@kgar5String Nah man, time for you to own your madness!
@@KingPopla Calvinism is pathetic!
What has always troubled me about Calvinism is that the final basis for Salvation is not simply faith in Christ alone, but faith in God’s irrevocable, predetermined decree that “I am one of the elect.” It’s not “I am saved because I believe,” but “I believe because I am one of the elect.”
Yes. I watched one of RC Sproul's last videos and he said he hoped he wouldn't hear "Go away I never knew you" at the Judgment. A true Calvinist believer can never have assurance of their salvation.
Exactly, you said the obvious part that their doctrines teach but many Calvinists try to hide as they are recruiting new Christians into Calvinism. They have a false gospel, no question about it.
@@faithonfireministries Is there anything taught in Calvinism that could be true?
@@shanedwilson I am saved because God chose me in Christ from before the foundation of the world. Justification is faith alone in Christ alone by the grace of God alone.
@@faithonfireministries How ignorant. John 10:27-30. Do you even have a clue what this means? I am a Christian by the grace of God. John Calvin teaches that grace.
I was getting sucked in when we watched John MacArthur during COVID. I certainly started to question my own beliefs. But their cessationist views and utter contempt for charismatic people sent up huge red flags. My husband and I enjoyed listening to his scholarly sermons, but his feelings towards non-Calvinists became very apparent. Then I watched him at a Puritan Conference on You Tube with John Piper bragging how he stealthily introduced Calvinism to the congregation. And also I listened to him at Strange Fire Conference. He was bragging about converting his wife to Calvinism because she was a “Four Square gal”. I heard him excommunicate Eileen Gray on RUclips. I pray John MacArthur repents. I pray for all the Calvinists who want to leave but can’t.
Calvinism I bad, but charismatic is worse. Avoid any theology that comes from 19th and 20th century America.
Calvinism is bad*
@@kennygee2715 I respectfully disagree with your statement. If you are referring to people like Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn and all the false prophets out there, that certainly is not good. But they do not represent the core values of most people who believe the gifts exist today to aid us in our walk with God. The Holy Spirit provides Godly insight (wisdom)-words that you may have seen written in the Bible and really didn’t understand, but He, the Holy Spirit, opens your heart and mind to it at just the right time just like Jesus opened the eyes of the disciples to who He was at just the right time. The Holy Spirit lights the Word of God in your mind where before your mind was darkened, like trying to read a book without light. So that is just one of the continuing gifts of the Holy Spirit. And as a charismatic I believe in gifts of tongues, a language as Paul says in Corinthians, that is un-intelligible at times. And without interpretation should be confined to yourself and God in prayer and praise, in great grief and trouble. Of tongues I can say without a doubt that in times of greatest duress and sorrow in my life, the gift of tongues has been the way I pray to God because the Spirit knows what we need and with tongues I prayed and found relief. Both are true. Both exist today in millions of believers.
@@nancybenson1951 The tongues movement started in the early 1900s. If you are right, then Christians were wrong for 1900 years.
There are no modern day tongues or prophets. No modern day faith healers. If there is name a few.
Imagine teaching a non believer Calvinism first and then giving them the gospel. Calvinism is a stumbling block. I go to a church that holds Calvinistic beliefs and as a new believer I believed Calvinism was “correct” but I no longer believe this. Why? Because the gospel is simple enough for a 4 year old to understand. Calvinism is trying to make something simple complicated.
How can it be that simple when it is hidden from the wise and the prudent?
If the faith you provide comes from man's intuition, his ability to learn, understand and make good decisions, it is works as described in Ephesians 2:8-9 - you can boast, meaning you are not saved by grace.
The sentence starts with being saved by Grace and Grace is an unmerited favor meaning you do nothing to obtain the salvation.
The sentence goes on to say through faith and we know you have to have faith in Jesus, the issue is how do we come about having the faith.
If we are graced the faith by God opening our eyes and ears and conditioning our hearts to the Gospel then we are saved by Grace as opposed to being smart enough to make a great decision.
People who are saved by Grace know they would not shot without God, people who are not saved by grace feel as though they participated with God in the justification process, "God does some, I do some and together I am saved".
Ah, yes. The shunning. It was a sneaky Reformed hipsters church. When we first started going I had no idea about the nuances of Calvinism, but I started getting clear and could no longer tolerate the garbage from the pulpit. Never ever talked to any of them ever again when we left. Completely dismissed when I expressed that we had stopped attending because we didn't agree with the church's doctrine. Immediately removed from the email list, small group lists, everything. Good riddance.
Saw one woman a few months later who had been in my small group at the local kids park, she saw me and packed up her kids and left. 🙄😂😂😂
Sorry to hear that, but thanks for sharing so people know this is real. God bless you!
@faithonfireministries
Hey Brian, when do the believers get their salvation? Do we have it now or will we have it only the second coming of Yahusha Ha'Mashiach, and at the end of time?
@@joyfulone7265 I’m in the middle of deciding what to do about the same situation myself. I don’t really see a reason to stick around. I mean, unless you’re sound asleep, you can’t miss what is being said from the pulpit. And I noticed that the main speaker (congregation is in the midst of hiring a pastor) whenever he quotes something, he no longer bothers to mention who it is. He used to do it just a couple of years ago, when a lot of J.C. Ryle was mentioned in his sermons.
I'm Calvinist. I have many of non calvinist friends who are believers as well. I've known many that have left my church due to doctrinal disagreements. I've had several that I've kept in touch with. As far as a church removing you from email and messages well that's pretty common when you decide to remove yourself from fellowship with that particular church. I doubt I would want to continue to get messages from a church I decided not to attend. As far as the lady at the store.... you can find examples of tribalism in any church, club etc... Doesn't make it right. The most important thing is to believe in the Lord Jesus and repent of our sin. To love God and our neighbors as ourselves. To love our enemies even the ones who don't hold to the exact same theology as we do. Be blessed.
Many cult members confess Jesus is Lord.
Many say Jesus is the only way.
Many have a different Jesus from the biblical one!
I grew up in a family with Jehovahs witnesses.
I came to faith in Christ later in life and found a good Bible teaching church. After many years a Calvinist pastor came in. Within a few years I had to leave this church because of many doctrinal differences. It is very sad to go through this but it is very real and we have to be strong in the Lord and call out false teaching!
Always remember the love of our perfect Holy God and Savior!
May He Bless you all!
I'm not a calvanist but this video offers very little theology or real proof against whatever your arguing. Seems more like you were itching to call a bunch of people different names.
This video is not about disproving Calvinism theologically; he made plenty of videos on that. This is about showing similarities between Calvinism and cults.
@@gk.4102which is a weak exercise, to be sure. What manner of "ism" is NOT comparable to cultic thought in some ways and to some degree. The point is to demonstrate that reformed theology and its adherents are evil.
That counts as slander in my book. I would warn against it, except that this content creator is surely uninterested in my correction. His in-group would reassure him that my correction is proof that he's making an impact.
Agree - this Brian guy lacks any intellectual integrity or honesty. He sets himself up as a pope subjectively pontificating on what constitutes a cult.
@@davidbradsher8460 most concerning of all is the notion that a true Christian (like him) draws his beliefs from the Bible, whereas a Calvinist does not. But, in reality, reformed theology is a very serious and careful attempt to build theology off of the whole of the Scriptural revelation of God. The fact is that well-meaning Christians have done exactly this and come up with different theologies - with zero malice aforethought. Ascribing malicious motives to brothers in Christ that interpret Scripture differently from what you came up with (or what you were taught) is just unkind - and frankly cultish! I think Armenian interpretations are wrong, but I don't think Armenian believers are cultists or devils. (Side note: Arminius was a man, so an Armenian is technically speaking following the teachings of a mere man as much as a Calvinist.)
@@gk.4102 The same can be said for what you believe, they call Jesus a cult.
Others have posted similar stuff already, but let me just reiterate:
Calvinists are some of the most lacking in brotherly love kinda folks you will meet. Very arrogant and unloving.
And what did Jesus tell us? “By their fruits you will know them.”
Arrogance and an unloving nature aren’t a “bug” in Calvinism’s code. They’re a natural feature.
Yea, probably because most of then are not saved.
You sound arrogant and unloving
Have you read the comments from the non Calvinist?
YES ! I've lost many dear friends because they suddenly decided they're better than me. The lack of good work proves I wasn't chosen !😅
@@bigmiked6390 thats what James says .... and you disagree ..................... huh ...............
So grateful someone is finally calling out their insane twisted heresy ..
There is for sure issues with (parts off) Calvinism and its theology, but wasn't the purpose of this channel a bit different. It also looks a little like 'fighting back' against or 'getting back at' those pesky Cessationists that dare to call out hypercharismatic preachers for being less than truthful, when it comes to 'their gifts' or 'what the Holy Spirit told them'.
You haven’t heard of Leighton Flowers? On RUclips, ex-Calvinist
@@user-oo9fc9pu7nit's hilarious calling Flowers an ex-calvinist. Have you ever watched his channel? He knows as much about Calvinism as Brian, the creator of this channel does and that's very little.
They are both so set on believing that they are correct in their soteriology that they will misrepresent and distort what a calvinist believes. They can't use the Bible to prove their rantings if they wanted to. But, sadly, the truth is they don't want to. Why let something like Biblical truth get in the way of their agenda?
@@bucky91361 I disagree with you totally. I believe he knows enough about Calvinism to know it’s false teaching. I first came across a Calvinist before I even knew it existed and knew right away that it wasn’t the right teaching and I only knew one point at that time. Frankly that’s all I needed to know.
@@user-oo9fc9pu7n you didn't like what you heard because it disagreed with the God you had created in you head and and you rejected it. Just like you reject all the times in the Bible that it tells you Reformed Theology is correct.
Yeah they had me in their cult for a bit glad i found this channel.
Same JW does they also block out completely guys who leave their cult and infact calvinism and jw have so much similarities.
Observing, watching, participating in the confrontation to calvinism/reformed theology grow to where it is now, exposed like never before, is joyous and delights my being.
Many many people despise being accused of what they're not, how much more so to bear false witness on Jesus The Messiah, as calvinism and reformed theology have done, and continue to do.
Thank God for the internet worldwide exposure to these ..................calvinists/reformers.
Before i ever knew anything about Calvinism, I knew they were not my in harmony with scripture because of their 5 points of fellowship, especially the " L" limited atonement!
My God is not limited in any way. He is Almighty. Only a feeble god is limited!
Limited atonement doesn't limit God. It shows His sovereignty over His creation. That's the exact opposite of limit......and it's in the Bible.
KayJohnson, you are spot on! The modern Calvinists do not like the idea that God is "almighty" which is why they exchanged that word for "sovereign" in the modern Bibles they prefer today. They surely do try to limit God. They may claim otherwise, but it is impossible for them to escape that reality because limiting God is baked right into their key distinctive doctrines, TULIP. They further limit God by teaching Cessationism, a doctrine that originated with Calvinism.
Thanks for the comment. God bless you!
@@faithonfireministries
So is nobody saved yet because Yahusha has not returned to bring salvation to all the believers? Am I asking you good questions? For there are many verses that indicates that salvation happens only at the end of the age.
@faithonfireministries they did no such thing. "Sovereign"only appears once in the LSB, and it's an alternative for "Potentate." The ESV has it thrice and the other two times it is used in place of "master/Lord" to translate "despotes"
Don't be loose with the facts.
They never said God was limited, where did you get that information? They said atonement was not for everyone which is debatable.
Thank you for exposing the blasphemy of Calvinism!
Thank the Lord that I never drank the Calvinist kool-aid. Taste and see that the Lord is good. Calvinism will only poison your soul. 🙏
Amen!!! Based on the title alone, I COMPLETELY agree! I was bound under Calvinism for year, but as of the past 2-3 years ago, I was finally set free and I see STRAIGHT through the Calvinist deception!
OSAS IS THE GOSPEL!
God bless you! 🎉
@ChimaEnwere, So why did you quit Calvinism, did you doubt that you are one of the elect? Don't you believe that only the elect can be saved?
@@SusanThroop-fm6kd,
I am asking EmmaChinwere not you..
Did you happen to read Jesus' warnings to the churches in Revelation chapters 2 & 3, also His teachings in John 14 and 15? IF we abide in Him and endure until the end THEN we will be saved in the end. It's a life long 'choice' to abide, free will can also choose to walk away...which is why Jesus warned the churches. Sometimes when we leave a teaching fragments of wrong teachings stick with us until God's Word washes it all clean and we are left with His Truth alone. That's why we should never read commentaries, only search the Bible for words and phrases to understand all teachings on a subject. Men are flawed, that includes each of us. God's Word is our only resource and His Spirit guides each of us as we seek Him diligently for direction and trust Him daily. God bless all of you true disciples of Jesus Christ!
Stealth Calvinism is happening in my methodist church right now. 3 leaders of our young adults group are calvinist and they sometimes sneak in the total depravity and limited atonement into our bible study. I’m trying to talk to 2 of them before approaching my pastor. John Wesley himself was against calvinism but we had a calvinist preacher came in to fill for our pastor just a few weeks ago.
Sorry to hear that but thanks for confirming yet another example of how stealth Calvinism is a real problem these days. God bless you!
Wesley preach the exact same depravity doctrine , he WASNT any different. It was just spoken a different way. NONE of your SUN day churches are right, they are ALL papal designed venues of the exact same satanic Manichaeism theology ideologies. methodist were NEVER right anymore then Constantine was.
@@ColdmochaArt George Whitfield, one of the founders of Methodism was a Calvinist.
The main truth a Calvin's can't answer is how would God get any glory out of forcing someone to be saved who cannot resist. God my friend gets glory from a sinner who after Holy Spirit conviction chooses to believe and loves God with all his heart of his own free will.
God gets the glory because he already gave that sinner a new heart so that he feels the Holy Spirit's conviction and is free to come to Jesus as Savior and Lord.
God gets all the glory for turning spiritually dead rebels into spiritually living sons & daughters.
@@zachbattles9762see the video “why Ezekiel 36 does not support Calvinism” by BTF - it does clarify things
Calvinists are more interested in getting converts to Calvinism, than getting converts to Christ.
FALSE
@@davidbradsher8460no yes they do ,if your not[ reformed [your not saved because your doctrines are false and if you are elect you wouldn't believe in false doctrines so say the calvanist
@@mjrybread I am one of those people you say believe that and I’m telling you it’s not true,
They usually don't try to explain their beliefs. They act better than me, and simply block me instead of having a coherent debate. Recently, I've noticed an increase in Calvinists... This is spreading like a bad virus
Reason #7.
The Calvinists have their extrabiblical authoritative documents: Creeds and confessions like the Westminster Confession of Faith. While giving lip service to an abstract notion of "sola scriptura," they regard the confessions as authoritative as the Latter Day Saints affirm the book of Mormon.
Consider the ordination vows (there are apparently eight but I cite the first two) involved in ordination in Presbyterian Church in America:
1. Do you believe the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, as originally given, to be the inerrant Word of God, the only infallible rule of faith and practice?
2. Do you sincerely receive and adopt the CONFESSION of Faith and the Catechisms of this Church, as CONTAINING THE SYSTEM OF DOCTRINE TAUGHT IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES...
It has already been established, in their mind, that the confessions conform to the Scriptures, thus they are equated (whether the PCA ideologue admits it or not.) A (very Calvinistic) PCA minister on Twitter/X recently explained to me: "The creeds and confessions affirm what Scripture teaches and what the church has historically agreed upon as the correct interpretation of scripture."
Note the absolute lack of exhortation to study the Scriptures and think for oneself to be a good Berean.
An example of how much weight is conferred to the confessions is their use of the word, "decree." Decree is a Bible word: a word search reveals 49 uses in the KJV. Rarely, as in Psalm 2:7 or 148:6, is the Lord the one who issues a decree. Yet one cannot help but notice a James White discourse that does not refer to "God's eternal decree" (again WCF ch 3) in at least every other statement. Again, the WCF is an authoritative document to the Calvinist - not something that needs to be evaluated in these present times against Scripture, but an authoritative document that has been examined against Scriptures and has been *decreed* to match!
They are so "unsola scriptura". But they call you out if you're not sola scriptura. Perfect example is most of them are Cessationists so they do not follow sola scriptura in believing and practicing the gifts.They are truly hypocrites and the modern day Pharisees and Saducees.
Oh so well put, William.
Whenever I find thread on this channel with lots of replies, it's always because @rogervincent2092 has paid a visit and people have been foolish enough to reply to him. Don't - he's a troll. He's the guy at the zoo throwing peanuts in the monkey cage to watch the monkeys chase after them. Just look at the flag on his profile.
@@SusanThroop-fm6kd Preach!
No, we do not hold up the confessions equal to scriptures any more than you believe what your pastor teaches what the word of God means or a book you chose to read from a "Christian".
That is why there are many confessions that different Calvinists adhere to. I love all of the confessions even though I disagree about different points of each one.
Every Calvinist I know says to search the scriptures to see of what we are saying is correct. If they do not say that openly and forcefully they are not Calvinists.
To prove my point name one Calvinist that does not exhort to be a Berean. One of the biggest disagreements among Calvinists is Pedobaptism. I, for one, do not believe it is biblical. Sproul and MacArthur debated it and Sproul admitted it is not in scripture in that debate, but he still believes it is biblical akin to circumcision.
So, if we believe that the confessions are equivalent to scripture, why are there different confessions? Also, all English Bibles, until the modern era, were translated by Calvinists. The newer versions were translated with Calvinists. So my question to you is; why are you using a cult Bible?
John MacArthur's false teachings of the word of God is what convinced me.
How do you know it is false?
Agree 100%!
What I see more and more on the internet and comments is this. Someone presents the truth, which is not popular. Those who agree are civilized to those who disagree. But those who disagree are not civilized to those who agree with truth. I see it with so many concepts. You can tell what is true and what is not just by that. It lines up with 'you will know them by their fruits.' This is no exception. You presented the truth. You do it out of love. You are not disrespectful, you just state the facts. But all those who disagree, at least 99% of them, suddenly get ugly, their heads start to spin, they resort to name calling, false attacks and accusations, their heads explode, and the arrogance seeps out like sulphur from the pit of hell. The venom bites begin...
Great video. I can testify that your observations about Calvinism are accurate in Australia also. Glad there are people like me that are prepared to call it out as a cult. It absolutely is.
Yes indeed! God bless you!
Before arminiansim,there was no calvinism. What people used to believe before Arminianism? Definitely not Arminisism! The 5 points of Calvinism was actually the response from orthodox church to the heresy of Arminianism. Arminianism revived the idea of semiplagianism, which was officially announced heresy.
Are you a Calvinist?
@@mimisides I am reformed. I do accept the 5 points.
@kanglinyao Arminius was a Calvinist through and through. Theodore Beza, a staunch Calvinist, appointed Arminius to serve at the Synod of Dordt (Dort). Arminius kept trying to prove he was a devout Calvinist until he died, even though differing from Calvinism in several respects.
Calvinist have turned their Doctrine in to their god and their intellect in to the holy spirit and calvinist do not own the concept of grace anymore than homosexuals own the rainbow.
Well said! We can't stop people from hijacking words and symbols of God in Scripture to use them for nefarious purposes and redefining them, but that does not mean for a second that we will relinquish them and forget the truth in God's Word about them. We stand firmly on the truth, come what may. God bless you!
@@ShowCat1Oh yeah, you nailed it!!
Atlesat they recognise what God says.
You on the other hand you reject the total Soveranity of God.
@@faithonfireministries Either God said or he didn't, you say hijacking words, what words? what symbols of God are talking about? Who is redefining scripture?
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
No one defined this scripture, no one hijacked this scripture, it is copy and paste, Jesus is the one who said it, not John Calvin. You will be the one who adds a condition to this text that is not written there.
It is hard to kick against the pricks.
@ShowCat1 Your understanding of Calvinism is incorrect.
I encourage you to study it again to gain a clearer insight.
Thank you.
I refer to it as their teaching as the "Doctrines of DISgrace"
More insults, from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, what you are saying is a disgrace.
And they’ve taken over seminaries as well as churches
You haven't caught on yet, that is because that is what the scripture says, what else can they say.
@@kgar5String nothing to
Do with Satan then ?
Like all the cults corrupted Bibles Jesuit infiltration and Freemasons and new age in churches … it’s all
Good right and true
What I also find ironic is this. A person gets saved by believing the Gospel, found in 1 Cor. 15; 3-4. Then a Calvinist gets ahold of him and tells him "No, no, no! You were actually saved like this..." The guy says "okay, whatever, if the behind the scenes workings are like this or that, I will never know this side of heaven." Then the snake beguiles the guy further and says, "Ah but no! You must believe it works the way I said it works, as that is the gospel, otherwise you cannot even be saved!" The guy answers (if he is smart and saved), "Ah, no. I just got saved. I believed what I needed to in order to be saved, as the Bible said. I don't need to add anything to it." Next scene: snake hisses, shuns guy and both part ways.
Wow. That's judgemental
I see the stealth invasion too. Years ago I lived in a large metro area and was seeking a Biblical church. I had a list to research. No one advertised that they were calvinist but some churches were. I started noticing the following things: 1. They would quote a lot of Calvinists in their sermons. 2. They would start to introduce calvinistic theology in their sermons. 3. They would start making references to distinguish between calvinists and non calvinists. It all begins subtle and innocent and before long it is a shunning cult. I left these places. But when I screened out the doctrinal statement of faith as I moved on I started noticing key terms in them that referred to calvinism in sneaky ways, a lot of 'sovereignty' 'grace,' 'sovereign grace,' those are dead giveaways. The terms alone would be fine but they repackage them with calvinism and these key terms are loaded with calvinism and tend to show up in those belief statements. They usually will not mention obvious things like tulip and stuff, 'predestination,' and casting people to hell just randomly for spite and 'God's glory,' but they will mention those other terms. They invade a lot of Baptist churches and other denominations that were not calvinistic. I have also seen the way calvinists behave towards non calvinists and they totally exclude you as 'other.' I can verify all of those things too. It is an agenda.
As a non Calvinist, has ever occurred to you it is in the inspired scripture? You said other terms as though those terms was not said by God, Jesus and the inspired scripture. You mentioned key terms, did the inspired scripture say the key terms you are referring too? Just because a person believes God predestines for salvation (not everything in life) does not make it Calvinism, Calvinistic or stealth Calving, it means that is what the scripture says. People with Calvin hunting glasses on can miss what the scripture in the name of Calvin hunting. Either God said it or he didn't.
You people just don't understand Calvinism. Please let me try and open your minds. Consider carefully the words of this great Calvinist Bible teacher explain it to you, in a way that even a child could understand.
John Piper quote: "God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. @-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .
Don't you see how glorious the only true religion is?
Nice! I hope it doesn't go over the heads of some people what you did there. Bravo! Sadly, some Calvinist is probably reading this and thinking, "Yes exactly!" smh.
@@faithonfireministriesyour ending smh. Is shunning this man. The very thing you described that Calvinist do. Bravo! Showed your true colors
Papax, are you crazy? I am not shunning him but was agreeing with him and the humor he applied to make his point. My "smh" which is appears you didn't understand is a reference to "shaking my head" regarding the Calvinists that inevitably won't get his humor and actually agree with the Piper quote despite it being given to show how ridiculous it is.
@@papax4815 No he didn't. John Piper is at least one of the most honest of the Calvinist Cult teachers. I said it the way I did to show the pure insanity of the Deformed 5-Point system. It is a doctrine of demons.
@@faithonfireministriesbut the simple, straightforward anti-Calvinist Bible explanation of evil like the Nazi atrocities is that God would have stopped it if He could, but He can't because He's not powerful enough, or that He won't because He wants evil men to be able to exercise their free will. God's either a weakling Who can be overpowered by Panzer tanks, or such a gentleman that He doesn't involve Himself with human atrocities.
Theology is hard. Slandering every brother who doesn't follow your preferred narrative is easy, too easy.
They tried to recruit me after I was saved, but I rejected all 5 points and regeneration Pryor to believing. I was given books to read and saw so many contradictions, even quotes from Job's comforters who had to repent for speaking wrongly. After studying this rigid system, I decided I didn't need a system, just the word of God which sets conditions all throughout the bible. If you'll do this I'll do that. It's called a covenant.
Nice! Well said. Nobody needs a system, just the Bible. Jesus said in Matthew 4: 4, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." The Calvinist want us to live by the words that proceedeth from the confessional statements written by men, codified and systematized.
Great video Brian... keep them coming. When a religion teaches a different Jesus & a different way to the Father...it by definition is a cult.
Thanks mike! Did you notice BrianRich1689? He got his fairly obvious Calvinist calling card right in his screenname, identifying himself as an adherent to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith. He's new here but has been all over the comments, so it appears I've picked up yet another keyboard warrior troll Calvinist. What fun!
Oh my goodness...yep, I see it. The Calvinist confession that immediately contradicts itself: God decrees ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER Comes to pass... buuut your sin is on you Pal, you own that!!!
They will argue amongst themselves over that. Some will actually admit that the verbage within the confession is flawed. Because God must decree every word, deed & action of man, or He isn't truly sovereign. While others can't see the blatant contradiction & blindly follow it.
You can't make this stuff up??
@@BrianRich1689 BR1689, do you know why God sent His Son? It's not a gotcha question. I'm a harmless Grandpa who has lead many out of Calvinism (& other ism's) & towards a biblical understanding of salvation.
This question is paramount for/to any Christian!!
@@BrianRich1689 I never said the bible contradicts itself. Why did God send His Son?
Oops sorry, I see that you did answer the question of why God sent His Son. However, you are approaching scripture with a Calvinistic perspective.
God sent His Son to redeem everyone that will & CAN call upon Jesus for salvation. Sending Jesus to atone for the sins of only a handful of humanity gives 👿 more souls. God sent His Son to ransom everyone/whosoever from the sting of death caused by sin (Genesis 3:14-15, John 12:31, John 16:11, Acts 26:18, Romans 5:8, 1 Corinthians 15:54-58, Hebrews 2:14, Colossians 1:13-14, 1 John 3:8... notice there are no/zero discriminating or limitations of who can be redeemed from 👿 trickery, hoodwink, bamboozle, chicanery as He tried to get retribution against God).
Calvinism appeals to one's pride with the notion of "God chose me!!! Too bad for my neighbor & most of humanity, but for God's glory He chose me!!"
Superb video summary, Brian! As well as cessation do they not also generally teach replacement theology? Not sure.
Thanks so much for the kind word. God bless you! As for replacement theology, it is a popular belief among Presbyterians which are Calvinists. I don't think that is universally taught among all Calvinists though.
@@faithonfireministries I know Calvinists firmly stand on replacement theology. Jean Cauvin himself wrote that "we have a superior covenant" over the Jews. That statement came up over the question of church or religious music. Some brave people were pointing to all the examples of music in the OT which Cauvin was trying to recreate in Geneva. But Cauvin was trying to get rid of music so he plucked Jesus's words of the New Covenant to back himself up in a roundabout way. Its so amazing and despicable how Cauvin constantly cherrypicked and flipflopped around. Its no wonder his new religion is so dysfunctional.
Speaking of biblical music I learned that Jewish/Israelite prophesies in the OT were not spoken but sung in the streets and by city gates. That makes Cauvin's attack on church music even more dubious than his claims of ridding "the church of popery".
"They fashion lies of injustice of thee, O, Righteous & Holy One.
Calvinists; always liars. Simi-gnostic idol-bellies.
For you are not an unjust, fatalistic idol.
You abide in holiness & righteousness forever.
For in you we live & breath & have our being."
-Written by Prime Objective
Name the lies?
Yes it's very cultic!
@@BloodBoughtMinistries I was in a cult for 10 yrs….calvinist and reformed churches behave exactly like a cult….i can spot the behavior a mile away
@@BloodBoughtMinistries This is quite apparent when two separate groups are created - The super special arbitrarily chosen elect club and the unlucky arbitrarily chosen non elect
@@THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY Did you just make that up bro? Sounds rather unbiblical.
@@JohnMac3837 Yes calvinism is unbiblical, I agree.
Another non answer. 😂@@THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY
TULIP is the devils favorite flower.
Which part specifically?
Crickets as usual.
@@JohnMac3837 He said TULIP meaning all the parts
Love this video....love your channel and passion!
Matthew 15:8-10
English Standard Version
8 “‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
9 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
From their own translation......
Awesome verses! 😊❤
Yes. How can one’s heart be close to God when they don’t believe He desires for ALL people to come to Christ for salvation? And when they believe God is the author of sin and evil? And that God creates most people while knowing they’ll have no destination except suffering in hell for eternity? How can they love God when they don’t even know Him?
Thank for the kind words, and great Bible reference! God bless you!
@faithonfireministries if you do a podcast with someone on with you, I would love to tell you my complete story about my experience with calvinism....I am just a laymen saved by Grace thru Faith, but I have an honorary phd in calvinism lol, because I've studied it and witnessed it in action. I believe it is one of the biggest threats today in regards to evangelism.
This made me laugh out loud! Many of The greatest theologians of all time, John Bunyan, John Knox, Edwards, Luther, Charles Spurgeon, R.C. Sproul, all of the Puritans, etc..Are all just a cult. They just didn’t understand the Bible as deeply as this guy and a few random RUclips preachers. If only they had had RUclips to teach them Christian theology. Why read puritan writings or the great sermons of Charles Spurgeon when you can watch a RUclips video? I mean, obviously, this guy knows more about the Bible than Johnathan Edwards’ shallow understanding of scripture. Lol
lol, Shawn listing then appealing to the cult men mural.
Your comment simply solidifies the cult label for reformed Calvinists.
Shawn, Fiddler On The Roof has same dynamic as your argument.
You choose tradition over truth.
Your choice bro!!
@@doulos9828 I don’t claim the Christ ofCalvinism for sure.
Show me how your christ of Calvinism coheres with Jesus The Messiah.
You won’t do it cause you’re too deprived limited and deceived to even try.knowing if you did try, you’d see these two identities are very very different.
Sola de deceived reformers Calvinists.
Come back and look for your comment in a week or so - prolly gonna be gone by then. You're right, of course, but the "projection" in this channel won't admit impure thinking for long.
@@truthseeker5698 You do not sound like a christian.
Calvinism is another gospel!
The problem is, we are to believe what the scripture says and not try to read anti-Calvin thoughts into the scripture, I am not defending Calvinism, I just believe what the scriptures says. Calvin did not write any of the inspired scripture neither did the inspired scripture mention Calvin.
You are correct the gospel is the good news. Is it good news that salvation is in the hands of man when the scripture says his heart was desperately wicked?
Is it good news the we are responsible to change our heart and continually believe when according to the scripture it has never been successfully done?
The Bible says that “no one seeks God.” Psalm 14:2-3 pictures God searching in vain for even one heart that seeks Him: “The Lord looks down from heaven on all mankind to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.” This passage is quoted in Romans 3:10-12, which says, “As it is written: ‘There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands;
Is it good news that your eternal destination is in your hands? You must be really good, smart, strong etc. especially since you believe you can lose your salvation, you are not scared? You have seen your decisions, your will is certainty not free enough to overcome your sin nature. You call this good news?
Whose Gospel is the different Gospel. They we are saved by Grace through faith and not of our own but a gift from God, now that is good news, it is not up to me.
They were saved the way Jesus told Nicodemus is the only way to see the kingdom was to be born from above from water and spirit. Ezekiel 36:25-27
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
No scripture was twisted, it was just copied and pasted, I did not tell you what meant, you read it, I did not say anything about God's character, I just presented the scripture.
Just because it is scripture that Calvinist use does not mean it is not inspired by God who are fighting?
"Calvinism is the gospel." -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon
You say that Christ made atonement for "everyone". The fact that Christ said that most would perish, are you now saying that Christ's atonement was insufficient? Why would most perish, if it's God's will to save everyone? Are you saying that God is not able?
It’s a stewardship relational choice offered to all.
Children understand this dynamic.
Very simple.
@@doulos9828 Try again coward.
@@doulos9828 I responded to your other post. try again bro! Balls in your court.
Atonement is not what saves, it is what opened up the way to salvation.
Jesus tasted death for every man, and therefore brought atonement to every man.
It's quite disrespectful saying that Christ wasted his atonement, when it's a great demonstration of his divine love.
@@awesomefacepalm so if Christ atonement was for everyone, why won't everyone be saved?
Why anyone would follow after a man's teachings that "claims" to be Born-Again is crazy to me. Paul already warned not to do this. .1 Corinthians 3:4...For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?
◄ Matthew 16:6►
Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
I have seen stealth Calvinism in action several (four or five) times. Calvinists have taken over some of our local churches with their smooth talk, and before long they "owned" the church. I have personally witnessed them congratulating themselves that the Lord blessed them with a paid-for building and congregation.
It is extremely hard to find a church that doesn't promote Calvinism or Lordship salvation nowadays. And even the ones that don't are either extremely legalistic, or deny OSAS.
I hear you! Its true. Calvinism is like a parasite and its needs a host church to feed off of. And they have certainly infiltrated a lot of Christian churches over the last two decades.
I was not calviniist but on a surface I thought they are christians but that changed when I have realized by looking behind their words and what calvinists actually teach and believe. Calvinism is offensive and damaging to the teachings of Jesus Christ infact denying the sacrifice and atonement and salvation as it is presented in the bible
I like to ask Calvinists If God only chose a certain amount of humans for salvation, then what happens if He really never chose you from the beginning?
Yes
@@jacquesw8725 Then you wouldn't believe.
The non-elect are completely incapable of believing faith.
This isn't a hard question.
Dave Hunt wrote a wonderful, in depth book on this topic called "What Love is This" years ago. Highly recommend if it's still available. It armed me to be able to scripturally defend the true Gospel when my cousin started sprouting Calvanist beliefs to me.
Yes, indeed. Good book. I have read it.
I call it Roman Calvinism
At about 24 mins - YES it is about the relationaship with God - NOT about doctrine or theology. Love your videos!
There is a YTber Tudor Alexander that believes the 5 points of Calvinism but states he is not a Calvinist…
I’m confused…🤔🤔🤔 someone explain to me how you can believe the tenants of a belief system and not categorize yourself as a Calvinist…….
Easy--He's just a liar.
@polskigirl8547,
I believe in 4 of the TULIP but I am not a Calvinist.. The only part of the TULIP I don't believe is "U" which means Unconditional election..
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo whether you believe 4 or 5 points of Tulip a belief system of Calvinism you are a Calvinist .
Oh wait……you’re a “Reformed” thinker…the new name of Calvinism….
They’re sneaky!
@@katdumore535 stealth Calvinism….
I do not believe in religion or any denomination I only believe in the TRUTH , Jesus Christ never told us to set up religions, he told us to follow him the truth the life and they way, so I think of myself as a follower of the Truth, thanks praise Christ Jesus 🙏
Thx Brian, Keep Pressing Forward
1) That is very subjective. The whole debate is whether Calvinism twists scripture. You are assuming your position in order to prove it. Classic Reformed Theology doesnt point to a bunch of conditions.
2) Again, you are assuming your position to try and prove your point. Thats the discussion, who Christ is. It is simply being asserted that Calvinists don't follow scripture.
3) I was a part of a charismatic church that went into "shun mode." This doesnt prove anything, simply more assertions.
4) Of course Calvinists think they are right. You think you are right. I dont personally think I have the "corner" on Biblical Theology. I dialogue with Lutherans, charismatics, Baptists, etc.
5) Nobody believes John Calvin over the Bible. Just like Lutherans dont believe Luther over the Bible. Wesleyans dont believe Wesley over the Bible.
6) What Seminary teaches their people to lie? To decieve? (16:26).
There's no Gospel in calvinism- The arbitrarily chosen elect are regenerated FIRST, just to believe the Gospel
The arbitrarily chosen non elect never had the Gospel apply to them
and the gospel is irrelevant. Jesus death and resurrections is irrelevant. They were "elect" before the foundation of the world.
@@unitedstates3068 Maybe that means they also 'lost salvation' when Adam fell? 😆
@@THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY 👍 that sounds "compatible"
In fact many a calvinist is barely different than a primitive Baptist who believe you can be regenerated without even knowing it.
The idea that God would predestine the majority of humanity to burn forever is abhorrent. God loves us and Jesus is our way to not escape hell but to know Him again as before the Fall. That is the good news! It's about relationship with God and the Holy Spirit guides us. Father, Son , and Holy Spirit. The bible is a guide to that relationship with the 3 in one.
Great video.
Here is a warning for anyone leaving a reformed church -
I give you about an 80% chance of hearing them try to bully you with 1 John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us" - completely ignoring the fact that the reference is for "antichrists" who deny Jesus.
Please find another church!
I grew up in a Pentecostal Church of God. My Parents were very clear about some Church's that do not teach the whole Bible or have other beliefs different from ours. Being an Adult, I have never attended any other Church other than Pentecostal Church of God. I have to say I have never seen signs on a bldg that says " Calvanist Church" so how would one know if they are in a Calvanist Church ?
They often talk about “doctrines of grace” you might hear criticism of other churches or denominations that “don’t preach doctrines of grace” or they might say “we have the doctrines of grace” when I attended a Calvinist church, I noticed a lot of conversation between people about this….way more so than I heard at other churches.
The biggest sign is when they preach on Gods sovereignty; they say it includes God ordaining EVERYTHING, all the evil in the world.
(Even though the Bible tells us Satan is the little “g” god of this world)
Im not here to offend anyone but only to state that i simply believe in the Bible. I know predestination and election and all other doctrines of the scriptures are often often offensive to some. But its Gods word.Im sure many people would call me a calvinist. Im just a lowly sinner saved by grace. If i then am made part of a cult by trusting Jesus for my salvation what does that make everone else. God bless you all and may you be blessed forever.
Officially it is the Presbyterians and the Reformed, but now all these are renaming to some generic label like "Grace Community," etc., only it is not the true grace of God either.
There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. It’s not enough anymore to just disagree with someone and move on. We are cultist and even Nazis. This is so dumb. John Elliot, William Carey, George Whitfield, the 12 Presbyterians that signed the Declaration of Independence, and the Puritans who help found this country…cultist. My denomination, the OPC, who broke away from the PCUSA because of the liberal ideology of the mission’s board. We are a church planting organization, and have missionaries in hard countries like Ukraine and China…all cultist. But, what you do doesn’t save you…Christ and him crucified saves. We preach Christ and him crucified.
Exactly. This channel should be called Strawman On Fire" since that's all he does on here.
@@davidbradsher8460 we call it Dumpster on Fire on my podcast.
Yes it is a Cult, with a capital C!
I started going to a youth group with my boys, all seemed good at first. Basic messages for the kids. But one day in the message was about how you live, the guy even said repent of your sins, I looked over to the head pastor and he was nodding his head in approval. I tested him later and said isn’t it amazingly that we are saved by grace, it’s a free gift and how we live has nothing to do with our salvation. He put his head down and did not acknowledge the question.
Then I started sharing Ralph Yankee Arnold videos with a few of the other members and one left (started his own church at home, but teach dispensationalism, as in Ruckman, Kim, Breaker style of faith and works in OT and TRIB, different story there, I mentioned to him that is heresy, no one can boast, he shunned me too).
But anyway I spoke to a guy who was traveling through town and I mentioned the gospel and said he spoke to the head pastor for 2 hours and isn’t this a Calvinist church.
The ones that soul win, watch Ray Comfort, who I said to avoid. When they talk about someone being saved it’s always about the changed life, Then came the Shunning, went to a wedding and they all ignored me, like I wasn’t even there. The head pastor also in the past had told members not to watch anything I send them. As I was sharing your videos as well as Ralph, Jesse Martinez - Bibleline, Ono Diamanté, Tom Cucuzza, Freddie Coile, Jacksmack77 etc etc.
God bless bro.
Repent and believe the gospel…. A mental assent to the gospel is not enough you must be born again…I’m not a Calvinist but to believe you have to repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus… if you truly love him you will do what he says…
You’re not a Calvinist, just saying that doesn’t mean you don’t have the same false doctrines.
Repent of your sins for salvation “FALSE” loving God is NOT what saves. It’s belief. Do the will of the Father is what saves and that is to believe in Him who He sent, not keep his commandments or live him, how much love? How much commandment keeping or breaking?
That’s trash that is
Ralph Yankee Arnold is great! I love watching his sermons. He knows the true Gospel and for so long he has consistently and faithfully preached it. It's so sad that there remains so many people today still trying to earn their own way into heaven and denying the Gospel of Christ, denying His finished redemptive work and instead insisting on their own works for salvation. Sad. But, good to hear from you! Thanks so much for the comment. God bless you!
@@faithonfireministriesNot a Calvinist myself, but... I like this quote by A.W. Tozer...
"To escape the error of salvation by works we have fallen into the opposite error of salvation without obedience"
Obedience and Legalism are two different things. Obedience is not works based anything as it's the byproduct of having the Holy Spirit. Self-denial, self-control, picking up one's cross, renewing the mind daily.
Galatians 5:22-25 NKJV
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. [24] And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Titus 2:11-14 NKJV
[11]For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, [12] teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, [13] looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, [14] who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
@@gem934 so you can be a practicing homosexual and believe and go to heaven..that’s false doctrine
Calvinism is modern gnosticism. You should read Against Heresies by Irenaeus. He wrote in 180 ad refuting the gnostics of his time.
John Calvin twisted the teachings of Augustine. Augustine was a gnostic before he became a Christian. If you read anything done by Augustine he actually doesn't teach Calvinism teachings.
“This expression [of our Lord], 'How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not,' set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning, possessing his own power, even as he does his own soul, to obey the behests (ad utendum sententia) of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God.” - Irenaeus of Lyons (180 AD)
Awesome video Brian and you are correct.
I have never heard someone think a calvinists was a cult or that they were not Christians. To be honest, I have never knowingly known a Calvinist person. I have always thought that they were Christian brothers who disagreed with me about some things. Why would anyone split over this. Maybe I don’t know what I don’t know.
Your take is accurate. Every true Calvinist is going to say "preach like salvation depends on this man's decision, but pray like his decision depends on God." Most believers who hold to an Armenian theology of salvation would agree with this approach as well. There does not need to be all these accusations of evil intent or stupidly cultic zombie-ism.
LOL 😂 they R Trinitarians: they may be a sect but definitely NOT a Cult.
What is your theological background????
So are Catholics but they are a cult too. His background is at least better than yours.
The christ of calvin and Jesus The Messiah do not coalesce.
Calvinism....
Using scripture to discredit scripture for centuries.
You need to stop. You know this isn't true.
You need to leave Calvinism. It isn't true.
😅 oh boy wow
Semper Fi Brother! Even though I love my Calvinist brothers and Sisters it a doctrine build in the mist of the Thirty Year War. A doctrine perverted by the hate of the Dutch Seven Unite Provinces against Spain during the War. Also, it’s a matter of justification to held arms against the Catholics during this time. Calvin was affected by the Spanish power at the time when they burned and destroyed his childhood home and community in Noyon. Sadly, the emphasis is always on some presupposition in the doctrine that end up lacking the love of God. Yes, God is Holy, Holy, Holy; but he also came to the world and humbled his glory to die like a criminal; when he was pure, for love, “that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Amen! Thanks for sharing that. You noticed the sword and Marine Corps flag behind me. It was actually my Dad who was the Marine, not me, and that is his NCO Marine sword and his picture on that shelf (when he was young and in the Marine Corps). I love and appreciate all those who serve in the US Armed Forces. He was a devout Christian who was strict but loving and wise, and with my Mom they both raised my sister and I right.
My Dad went on to be with the Lord in 2019. He's greatly missed but by God's grace he didn't have to live through covid or the Biden administration so there's always a silver lining. My Mom gave me his sword and sheath and I bought the display case and chose to put it up there so I could honor his memory, his service, and that of others who serve in the military and in particular in the Marine Corps. It will be seen by many people who never knew my Dad but can relate to what it stands for and know what it means to take up a weapon and defend what is right and defend those they love.
Lol... complete misrepresentation of faithful bible believers who hold to orthodoxy doctrines.
Are you saying all reformed baptist and PCA are hell bound?
Nope. I’ve never said that.
@faithonfireministries so your saying the occult of LDS and other occult are saved brothers? Trying to figure out your analogy
There is nothing orthodox about Calvinism- that is bolting another fine sounding word onto yourself like a roman sewing a purple patch onto their garments.
@@BrianRich1689 calvinism is from only 500 years ago from a brutal murderer who fancied himself an infallible profit - how you get something like dispensstionalism right but faceplant into concrete over calvinism is certainly interesting to see.
@@BrianRich1689 what you say is absolutely untrue and proof that you are unlearned in the teachings of the early church fathers - even augustine's conception of depravity bares little relation to what Calvin and Beza developed over a thousand years later. You are completely ignorant of the teachings of the early church but at the same time are so sure and so proud that you condemn yourself barely tasting the milk yet consider yourself ready for the meat. Cyril of Lucaris was condemned for his heretical views and met his end by strangulation for dabbling in politics - and also the Synod of Jerusalem competely refuted and condemned calvinism in the 1600s so you are without firm foundation to make and pronouncement on early church history or the doctrines taught by the fathers - ante nicaen or otherwise.
I have never been a Calvinist, but I did belong to Calvinist church for many years. I loved their godly, loving and sincere elders and preachers. They were happy to debate with me informally on the biblical basis of the different Calvinist doctrines. They even invited me on their worship committe and listened to my biblical arguments for change. However they did not change in any way and eventually I left for a baptist church. There was never a hint of animosity or nastiness on either side.
You have absolutely no idea what calvinism is! 😅
The mandatory "you don't understand Calvinism" comment
@@awesomefacepalmThe mandatory "the mandatory you don't understand calvinism comment " comment.😅
@@willharris4871 the ancient tradition continues
I think you are confusing the "New Calvinists" and Calvinists. The new Calvinists aren't covenant theology and they more identify with the worse of the Puritans (eg.William Perkins).
Great preachers like Martin Lloyd-Jones are an example of a "Calvinists"and such can in no way be described as a cult
I agree 💯
Check out tack room Bible talk. His last video is about calvinism. It's very good. God bless you
I watched a woman with a very popular fb ministry page go from proclaiming the gospel and Gods truth about sin and repentance and holiness to embracing reformed theology. within 6 months she made her Christian page private and was deleting all the comments that encouraged people to repent and live holy. when i messaged her privately to ask what was going on, she said we were being "self-righteous" and "holier than thou." its was tragic to watch her downfall. cant tell you what she teaches now as, ironically enough, her self-professed "GOSPEL MINISTRY" page is private lol
Silly. They confess Jesus is Lord...
A different jesus and a different gospel.
1. Their Salvation is from a cosmic dice-roll before the foundation of the world (U in TULIP);
2. Their jesus did NOT die for everyone (L in TULIP vs 1John 2:2)
3. Their jesus does NOT love all babies (L in TULIP vs 1Timothy 2:3-4)
Yes 100 per cent@@CC-ii3ij
@@CC-ii3ij Amen
Yes Faith in christ alone.... the 5 solas
@@CC-ii3ij Cosmic dice roll 😆
it seems to me that Calvinism has changed the grace of God into adherence to a creed. It is carnal activism. What do you think of this analysis fraternally from France
I was told to leave a church(?) because I questioned the phrase "eternal security".
I whole heartily believe in "eternal salvation" Hebrews 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey Him,
Considering that Calvinists say God regenerates who He will first, it doesn't make much sense that they'd clandestinely over a long period of time try to convert people to Calvinism.
Hi Brian, discovered your channel recently. Not sure if you heard of Dr. Andy Woods, senior pastor of Sugarland Bible Church in Sugarland, TX. He stated that in his first couple years as the pastor, he noted that there were 2 individuals from John MacArthur's Master's Seminary who attempted to infiltrate his church.
I have heard of him for sure, but I can't say I'm familiar with him all that much. I don't think I have heard him preach. But thanks for the reminder to check him out sometime. God bless you!
Hi. I'm very interested in this subject. Any chance of doing a deep dive series on each topic? or even a good place to start studying (including here because you count too, lol).
Dont fall for the cessationist trap.......God will speak to you in many ways......His Word, circumstances, sermons, other Believers and through literal signs and wonders.....be discerning and willing to see it.....not write it off as coincidence. I've seen some crazy coincidences in my 20 years as a Believer lol! Roman's 8.28, Roman's 8.16.
John mcaurther is the poster boy for Calvinism! He says that a believer can take the mark of the beast to survive in the Great tribulations period ? What a heretic / those who take the mark will fall under the wrath of God The Bible declares
You do anything in Your power to shame the doctrines grace,it's clear and obvious you dont know scripture,it's realy a shame that have this hate and jealousy towards calvinists.
_"You do anything in Your power..."_
Hey don't insult God’s sovereignty. The video's author is not doing anything in his own power because he doesn't have any; he's only doing what God meticulously predetermined and decreed for him to do and he has no power to do otherwise. That's Calvinism for ya!
I have experience with a Church taken over by a Calvinist, a very young Pastor that I fully supported to become the Pastor. Then he came under the influence of Voddie Baucham and turned to Calvinism and biblical patriarchy. One of the first steps was to outlaw Sunday School. Those who were Sunday School teachers were told that they were only doing that for themselves. Then he wrote a book about how he turned the Ship to reformed theology. Those of us who refused to accept that theology were called "Blessed Subtractions" I am not ashamed to be a Whosoever Will Baptist! Obviously not in that Church.
That sort of thing is happening far too often. Thanks for sharing. God bless you!
Can you put out the people who practice Calvinism please thank you.
I don't think all Calvinists are cultic, but many are especially at the church level. They can not listen to reason. They can't love you if you disagree.
In my experience, reformed churches are much more open to discussing the biblical basis for their beliefs than arminian churches are about trying to discuss reformed theology.
Say "Calvinism" in the middle of many churches and they screech and flee as if you'd suggested cannibalism was normal.
As for treating church members who depart badly - that's not a problem restricted to Calvinism, but of all churches and especially those with narcissistic pastors. No church is immune from such abuses.