Keep exposing the lies of Calvinism brother. They almost got me a year or so ago but something didn't feel right. It's because of people like you, people who point out it's flaws and inconsistencies that I was able to know the truth. Thank you brother
I used to listen to Matthew Everhard when I attended a reformed church. We recently left that church and go to a Baptist (not reformed baptist but Texas Baptist) church. Truth be told, my wife and I are still very angry after being attending a Calvinistic church for four years but we were not told the church was reformed until almost four years later. In all of the church’s beliefs on the website, it never stated it was reformed. We love the Baptist church we’re going to now as it’s solid Bible teaching.
Beyond the Fundamental youTube Kevin Thompson has several videos on stealth Calvinism. Soteriology101 RUclips also has teachings on how to defend Biblical Christianity against Calvinism. God Bless
Not being mean but how did you not know after sitting through one or two sermons that it was reformed? That is typically a very easy thing to tell from a reformed church. Just interesting.
Reformers like to sneak it in. I'm seeing it happen at my church first hand. The crazy part is my pastor doesn't even know he's a calvinist but he loves everything from John Piper, Matt Chandler, RC Sproll, John Mcarthur and Tim Keller.
@@salvadaXgracia I was referring to the church the OP attended for four years and didn’t realize it was Calvinist. Obviously Matthew is Calvinist but I wasn’t talking about him.
Is the future on hold until you make the choice to accept or reject God? So, God is subservient to your choice? What happens if you fall in and out of your choices? Does God have to keep changing his plans for you and the world around you? As God is sinless, immortal, and the Creator and you are sinful, mortal and the created, how does that work? How do you square your belief with God's sovereignty, holiness, justice and orderliness?
@ryleighloughty3307 are these legit questions or just trying to make "gotcha" questions? These are easily answered under a non-reformed perspective because many of these questions arise due to reformed/determinist assumptions/worldview.
@@Elmarias777 If God is absolutely sovereign, logical and orderly, which he is, then he knows every detail about the future, including who is saved and who is not. The free will decisions that we make in our mortal life always align with God's divine will. This, in essence, is what Calvinism is all about, providing us with a clear understanding of God's sovereignty and our free will.
@ryleighloughty3307 I see what is going on here, you are using a modified definition of sovereignty. Rather than the actual definition of "the right and ability to rule" you seem to think sovereignty to mean absolute dictation/ruling of everything, declaring all events to occur, aka, determinism. God is totally sovereign, he has the sole right and sole ability to rule over his creation. He calls the shots. The difference being under Calvinism, God has called all the shots already and decreed all that happens. Under the traditional (and in my estimation from copious study) sense, God arbitrates events to align with His design and ultimate purpose, but does not cause all events to occur. A term typically used would be Divine Dynamic Omniscience. Where God absolutely knows alll things, past present and future. Knowing something, however, does not follow that the event is made to occur by such knowledge. Example: I see my daughter or son staring at and reaching up to the cookie jar on the counter. I "forsee" a few scenarios of failure, success, and avenues to those ends. Does knowledge of future events make any of them unfold? No. That is absurd. The amount of power over the event has no bearing on this idea either as "knowledge of" does not ever equate to causation. A king which has laid laws down as absolute, and dictates the punishment and rewards, does not cause people to disobey or obey. Look at Deut 29 and 30. The structure for blessing and cursing is laid out and set for people to choose. With exacting detail, we see each blessing and punishment laid out and enacted as the people chose to do. God no more made those people obey or disobey as He does in making a person choose him or not, on the whole. The only exception i see in scripture is choosing the disciples. (Rom 1, col 1, gal 1, eph 1, 1thess 1, 2 thess 1 all show pauls usage of god choosing the disciples and not others, as others come to god after hearing and believing). Your second point "the freewill decisions..." Can you show this to be true? How do you know everything anyone does always aligns with God's will? How can that square with Jer 19:5 where God explicitly states they did something He did not command nor decree nor did He even think of it?
Hey Brian, always appreciate your clear exposure of the psychobabble of the Calvinism clan. I love the Calvinists, just can't stomach their "We have the corner on Christianity" twisted view of scripture. Jesus does not love everyone, did not die for everyone, and does not want everyone to be saved. Oh yeah, God gives you have the freedom to choose anything in life (like vanilla or chocolate ice cream), but the only thing you can't choose is where you will spend eternity. I can hear a Calvinist saying right now that "he doesn't understand Calvinism." I can only take small doses at a time looking into their psychobabble theology, so I really appreciate your strength and stamina in having to endure walking in their "connect the dots" theology with long bearded guys who wear funny hats so that you can educate others on their stealthy infiltration that is happening within the church. It simply is a completely DIFFERENT GOSPEL. Again, I love these people, but their view of God is a real head scratcher.
Your attitude is a head scratcher. If you loved them, you would know their history. The Baptists are a subset of Calvinistic history, coming from the English Reformation branch. Knox takes Calvinism back to the British Isles, not only Knox, but mainly. Through many twists and turns culminating in the Civil War, Cromwell, a Puritan comes to power and the crown is completely destroyed for a time. Power is placed in Parliament, true representative republican government. (not really) But a big deal. This value is strong in the Baptist tradition. However by the time of James, who was raised Presbyterian (Scottish Calvinistic branch), the Church of England is roughly split between traditionalists and Calvinistic Puritans. James is not a fan of Puritans, but includes them as half of his translation committee for his bible project. He wants uniformity in the Church of England. He is truly reformist minded, however his great desire is a union of Catholic Spain and Protestant England, as could have existed if Henry VIII never divorced Catherine of Aragon. Wait, no it couldn't! There would have been no split with Rome. Anyway, James. During his reign we see the rise of the Baptists. They are not generally happy in England, though whether they suffered any real persecution Idk. They seem to have spent time in Holland. Maybe they pick up believers' baptism there from Anabaptists. All this happens the same time as our Pilgrims, who were Calvinist but not Baptist. The first Baptist of note in the New World is Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island. Calvinists persist in the New World in two main branches, the English and the Scottish, the Congregationalists and the Presbyterians. Baptists, because of very strong congregationalist leaning, were free to take up or put down Calvinist theories, according to the temperament and conviction of the pastor. This strange set of affairs continues to this day. Fun! Please get up to speed on the tradition as well as the theology, as they are intertwined.
Yup. A Calvinist told me, he and his church, look for new Christians who think they just believed the Gospel and were saved, and shows them from Scripture how wrong they are.
Other cults like Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses do the same thing. Just the same, they have their own special statements of faith, resources, and written materials that they try to get into the hands of Christians to persuade them that their specific distinct theology is the true way, superior to all others.
No. I never said that. I said quite the opposite twice in this video in fact. Many Calvinists were first Christians who believed the true Gospel and are saved. Their indoctrination and continuation in attending Calvinist churches in no way validates the unbiblical doctrines of Calvinism or its systematic religion or its teaching strategies that mirror that of other false cults.
@DrGazza What excites the Calvinist is not the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ. What excites Calvinists is Calvinism. They want to spread Calvinism as far and wide as possible, and non Calvinist Christians are their target.
@@faithonfireministries it’s this sort of nonsense that I am confronting. Where do you come off declaring reformed denominations cults? Who do you think you are? The pope of the “no creed but Christ” denomination?
Anyone just reading the Bible with the leading of the Lord would never come to the conclusion of any of these systematic theologys,im happy and content being a 66 point Christian.
Amen! No book but the Bible, no creed but Christ! Systematic theology subjugates divinely inspired Scripture to uninspired, man-made philosophical interpretation, often grounded in pagan Greek philosophy that started with false assumptions about the divine.
@@kforsythe What, you people! The deleting of the Apocrypha leading to the 66 numbered books in Protestant Bibles happened after the systematic theologians did their thing, and was part of their very agenda. Shameless ignorance of the facts is not the same as faith in the word of God.
This is why I do not read books other than The Bible. I grew up Pentecostal Church of God and I still "fact check" them. Sadly new Christians can easily fall for these mistruths.While some offer these books as " study guides" where they are mostly geared to get you to join their organization . Read,Read,Read only The Bible.
@@jwatson181you learn to read in school. Then as an adult Christian, you can choose what to read. As he said, read only the Bible. The Christian bookstore is dangerous for new Christians.
I remember listening to a minister once speak and in the natural it sounded religious but in the spirit realm you could hear him saying, "We are the good guys who suffer, God is the bad guy." This age old tactic was in the garden of Eden when Satan tried to tell Adam and Eve that God was the bad guy and blame God for evil and not Satan. God saying no was for protection but the devil twisted it into "God blaming".. Calvinism teaches (essentially) that God is to blame for everything because He is so powerful (false glory in order to blame God) and that He decreed it all. RC Spool once said that if God wanted to save somebody and couldn't do it He would be a weak God. No RC, God is a loving God and refuses to override man's will and He's the one that chose to give man free choice so love could exist and be real, not fake. It is His love to give free will and that is more important than His power to dominate & micromanage.
Calvinism is totally non-sensical: God picks the saved from eternity past. But They still need to believe in Jesus though. But They can’t believe in Jesus because they’re totally depraved. So God grants them the belief they need to believe in Jesus, AND MAKES THEM BELIEVE at some point, even though He picked them to be saved from eternity past? Ummm? Calvinisim literally takes away completely, man’s responsibility to humble himself, believe, repent and come to Christ. It takes what God told us to do which is believe, and labels it a selfish work.
Such contradictions are par for the course for individuals who supposedly believe that God decreed every single thing that ever comes to pass, then show up on channels like this one to whine about what God decreed non-Calvinists to believe and say about Calvinism. Calvinists treat logical consistency as if it were a foul odor...
Respectfully, you do not understand Calvinism. I urge you to study it fully to come to the realization that it is scriptural and logical. Have a blessed day.
@@duncescotus2342The devil can also do miracles. Ever heard of Jannes and Jambres? 2 Timothy 3:8? Ever hear of the Antichrist and False Prophet? They also will work miracles, according to 2 Thessalonians 2:9 , Revelation 13:14 and 16:14. I am not to believe every spirit, regardingless, per 1 John 4:1.
I used to go to a Baptist church that was Calvinist. The majority of the congregants were young seminary students. They didn’t seem to associate with non-seminarians.
Calvinism is religion based upon pride and a person's credentials from Calvinist led institutions and of course you must have a library of books from dead Calvinists they hold up high on a pedestal and idolize as superior theologians they can appeal to rather than to Scripture.
Thanx for the wisdom brother! Everything you wrote just reaffirmed what God had already placed on my heart. I’m going to have to attend there for a few months to really feel it out. I’m gonna be quiet n watch even though it’s so hard to listen to bad doctrine being taught. From there I’ll pray about it a make a decision. Thanx again and I’ll keep you posted. In Christ, Ronny
I thought he looked like King Henri IV "why the long face?" of France, who incidentally grew up as a Calvinist but immediately converted to Roman Catholicism when offered the French crown. He supposedly said "Paris is well worth a Mass".
I don't know why Calvinists get angry with you, it's obvious that you are predestined to lead people as far away from false teachings as possible. If you were wrong, there would be no debate about it, there would be No debate about it.
Well said! My wife and I left a Calvinistic church after four years but we were never told until almost four years that it was Reformed/Calvinistic. Talk about deception!
Catholics are at least honest with what they believe. I listen to catholic radio and it is very good. Listening to all the calvinists that flood the Christian radio station usually makes me sick.
Can someone explain this to me from a non-calvinist point? For example, theres a lady on youtube that used to be a christian but has now devoded her entire being to debunking christianity and proving that jesus was just a normal human and the bible is false. Does once saved always saved mean that she would still go to heaven?
The Westminster Confession of Faith is so much like the Catholic Catechism, not the inspired word of God and is from the carnally minded unlearned that twist the word of God to their own destruction. If born again, a man would have to be stronger than God to break the seal of God, the Holy Spirit the Father and Jesus are one. Another very good video.
Great expose' Brian. It (Calvinism) is another gospel. Ex-Calvinists have called it cult-like. They only want you reading & listening to Calvinistic material. Personally, I see a spiritual component at work. We see in scripture that "Believers" can succumb to lying seducing spirits & a spirit of error, every wind of doctrine. Well, some Calvinists may be saved by God's grace & them responding to a true gospel message. But: Only a pre-selected special favored elect few will irresistibly turn to Christ & all others CAN'T... that's another gospel??
Calvinism has deceived multitudes and so similar to the behaviors of other cults such as JW's and Mormons. Just ask anyone who has escaped from a Calvinist church. More than likely, you are looked at as either being lost or are shunned. They are a dangerous church and lots of similar traits of a typical cult.
I don't think guys like this Calvinist are even aware that they are using bait-and-switch. They are just 100% convinced that the Westminster Confession of Faith is the purest encapsulation of the truths of the Bible. Most of the Calvinists I know love Jesus and are serious about their faith, but are completely unaware of how philosophically-driven Calvinism is - Manichaeism, neo-Platonism, and Stoicism rolled together with a bunch of Bible verses pulled out of context and packaged as biblical truth. I am glad to see channels like this exposing Calvinism for the unbiblical tripe that it is.
Yes, I totally agree with you. It is very likely this pastor Everhard sincerely believes what he teaches. Unfortunately, whether a person is willfully deceiving others, or is deceived themselves and simply teaching the same stuff, it still has the same end result of leading people astray. Thanks for the insightful comment. God bless you!
Dear brother with all due respect you are still a one point Calvinist. The reason that the devil came up with tulip was to lead unsuspecting Christians to believe in the P of tulip. The first 4 points of tulip are theoretical. The "P" has more to do with our practical responsibilities, that is, to persevere. Scriptures do not teach once saved always saved (OSAS). The scriptures teach, "he that endureth unto the end shall be saved." Jesus didn't believe in OSAS. Notice the context of this belief is in reference to salvation. A Christian can believe for a while and then fall away. Luke 8:12-13, 15 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they SHOULD BELIEVE AND BE SAVED. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, WHICH FOR A WHILE BELIEVE, and in time of temptation FALL AWAY. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, KEEP IT, and bring forth fruit with patience. Also, (pay attention to verse 6): John 15:1-6 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. James didn't believe in OSAS.: James 5:19-20 BRETHREN, IF ANY OF YOU do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way SHALL SAVE A SOUL FROM DEATH, and shall hide a multitude of sins. Peter didn't believe in OSAS: 2 Peter 3:16-17 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. YE THEREFORE, BELOVED, seeing ye know these things before, BEWARE LEST YE ALSO, BEING LED AWAY WITH THE ERROR of the wicked, FALL FROM YOUR OWN STEADFASTNESS. Paul didn't believe in OSAS: Hebrews 6:4-6 For IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, IF THEY SHALL FALL away, TO RENEW THEM again UNTO REPENTANCE; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. The Holy Spirit is the seal, but the Spirit can depart from apostate Christians. Saul is proof: 1 Samuel 10:6-7 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee. 1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
OSAS is not the same as POTS despite many people who don't understand the differences claiming they are the same. The foundational beliefs are so different between who can be saved in the first place for a Bible believer vs a Calvinist.
@@faithonfireministries That doesn't really answer the question as to whether or not a believer can apostatize. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who is falling away and how does one fall away from what they don't possess?
I've watched that guy's videos before, but not for his doctrine. I liked the way he explained a Bible note-taking system that Jonathan Edwards came up with. He also uses symbols to mark the Bible, but with Calvinistic themes. I kind of started my own, but with true Biblical themes, like salvation, service, God's discipline, consequences for disobeying, the unsaved, the reprobate, etc.
I believe Calvinists brilliantly target new believers. Somehow the Reform/Calvinist social media “certainty” seems to bring great comfort to the new believer and they just latch on enthusiastically
That book is helping Calvinists do what Jesus rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for doing in Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves." Calvinists learned long ago that preaching Calvin to unbelievers doesn't produce very many new Calvinists, as the self-refuting teachings of Calvinism promoting its pagan deity/devil hybrid "god", "Zeucifer", is rightfully repulsive to everyone not indoctrinated into it. Instead, they "preach like an Arminian and teach like a Calvinist", as one of their own idols (Spurgeon, I think) put it. Thus they insincerely preach the actual John 3:16 Biblical Gospel to unbelievers, which has a much higher success rate than honestly preaching what they actually believe. The new believer naturally looks up to the one who preached the Gospel to them as a spiritual mentor, which Calvinists then take advantage of by proceeding to indoctrinate the new convert into Calvinism. In more recent years, some Calvinists of the "work smarter, not harder" mindset have discovered that they can cut their conversion efforts in half by infiltrating non-Calvinist churches and gradually taking them over in a parasitic fashion. The intro to the book shows that this is what it was designed to promote.
Thank you Lord for answering my prayers and guarding my mind, for not allowing me to get sucked into this accursed cultic heresy of calvinism so that I wouldn't be led astray by the wolves in sheep's clothing.
The body of Cgrist needs more of brothers like you Brian! The Bible was not even written in service to systemization and these guys wouldnt knowbthe Holy Spirit if He were walking down the street wearing a red hat.
Everhard may be advocating for himself the seat that was forcibly vaccated by Begg via "kicked out" by the likes of Mac Author, Piper, Baucham, Washer, Mohler, Buice, etc.
Once saved always saved is Calvinism "light" as is once damned always damned . Double predestination without the damned part. Neither is biblical at all Jesus does not force you to be saved or stay saved. You do not lose the ability to reject God once you accept him, if you did, then your belief is forced, even if it's from God it would not be true belief. People can and will fall away from the faith according to Jesus, we are warned not to commit apostasy because you can commit apostasy. Once saved always saved, makes belief of the past equal permanent belief. Instead of the biblical truth that current, not past belief determines if you are saved or not.
The Bible says those who are saved have been bought by the blood of Jesus. Scripture says He bought the Church with His blood. We as believers are owned by Jesus Christ, a perfect Master. Consider this verse on top of the others I have shared about OSAS. John 8 says, "34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." This "free" Jesus is speaking about is not freedom to leave the Master who bought and owns us, but means we were set free from being a slave of sin. Therefore your comparison that "once damned always damned" is not true therefore "once saved always saved" is not true also may almost sound plausible, but that statement is in fact not Biblically accurate. In reality according to the Bible the first one is not true (ODAD) but the second one (OSAS) is true because a transfer has been made one time, a living soul that was damned and in darkness has now by the grace and power of God unto salvation made no longer damned or in darkness but brought into the light and given everlasting life. Nowhere in the Bible does it refer to living people as being in a state of eternal damnation, eternal condemnation or eternal darkness. The word eternal or everlasting is only applied to living souls who have been saved by grace through faith in Christ. However, once a person dies there is judgement and the Bible does say those who die who were not saved do face eternal fire, eternal punishment, etc.
@@faithonfireministries Calvinism teaches people to take their eyes off the Savior's work, and put them on their own. If I thought for a minute my salvation rested a half percent on my own righteous works, I'd be in a panic.
@@faithonfireministries you forget only believers are saved that's current believers because they currently believed Salvation is not based on past belief. You are essentially saying you cannot commit apostasy. .even though the Bible consistently warns against doing so. You are essentially saying you cannot fall away from the faith, contradicting scripture. You are essentially preaching Calvinism light which OSAS manmade doctrine is, by removing all of the Bibles responsibility for mankind to believe and continue to the end to be saved and putting the responsibility for belief in God by man, on God, which is essentially not free will belief, because it's forced belief. God does not want past belief or belief that he forces you to have which is "Calvinism God Decrees All Things light" That's essentially a false belief. Making God responsible for your continued belief in him, and you are not responsible for anything... This leads to hyper Grace sin freely free grace Luke warm worldly Christians at best and at worst, I never knew you Christians, who simply said they believe once to a sermon out of fear tradition upbringing, but never really believed but since the pastor said they were saved even though they have no fruit nothing's new nothing's changed they are not born again, they hear you and others say they are, no need to worry or work out their own salvation and examine themselves. OSAS is a false recent manmade doctrine from Calvinism that is giving many false assurances to rebel against God even become atheist or to worship other Gods and tells them you are still saved, because you once believed, not because you currently believe . It simply moves saved before the foundation of the world to when you were saved, and then adds the p from tulip meaning God is responsible for your faith to continue not you. And as usual if you don't come back to the faith, OSAS forces people to judge you as never being saved in the first place, because they consider their doctrine above the word of God to such a degree that it can judge the heart and someone's salvation status better than Jesus. This is what happens when you elevate a recent man made doctrine, above the word of God, instead of the other way around, even with good intentions we should not put doctrines like this higher than the word of God, it is very dangerous as only Jesus knows the heart. .and we are not saved based on past belief in Jesus Christ We are saved by God's grace, through current belief in Jesus, not osas, not the p in tulip, not being elected for salvation before we were born, neither are we damned by Calvinism once damned always damned by being passed over and unable to have faith. The Bible clearly shows John 3 16 current belief is needed not past belief, and one can indeed fall away from the faith and commit apostasy, that's why it continually warns us against doing so, otherwise all of those scriptures are meaningless. Don't weld yourself to a doctrine because of the traditions of men, it or it sounds or feels good, Instead weld yourself to the word of God with current belief in Jesus, not past belief. Your assurance of salvation is truly believing in the son of God... Right NOW, not past belief in the son of God . It's the not I used to believe in Jesus Christ, but now I don't, or I once said the sinners pray because the preacher preached about hell, but there was no conviction or change or fruit and my faith was reactionary and dead, but the pastor said I'm saved forever and cannot fall away, cannot commit apostasy, not the Bible but instead OSAS doctrine says I'm saved even though I'm an atheist now, or Muslim now, and even if I actively deny Christ now, he cannot deny me because of this doctrine even though that contradicts the Bible. .current belief is needed for salvation by Gods grace working through faith. Now dont get me wrong, believers sin, backslide doubt temporarily fall away because of trauma death if a live one bills stress relationships,, bad teaching etc as they are being sanctified, but they still believe in their heart, the holy Spirit still convicts, and God chastises them to repent and be restored to their first love. .however if they willingly get to a point of true apostasy where they believe no more, and are actively working for the enemy, they are not saved anymore, their candlestick is out and the cross is if no effect to them, until they repent and believe again and are restored to the faith, we are seeing this more and more as former believers are falling away from the faith in droves in these last days as Jesus said would happen. Are you prepared to judge all of them salvation as never being saved in the first place, as Calvinism and OSAS doctrine requires you to do Or will you leave that up to Jesus and not a recent manmade doctrine that has people thinking the apostles went around saying once saved always saved, no need for continued belief, just one second then anything goes? "sarcasm" Do you currently truly believe in Jesus? Is Jesus Christ your lord and Savior are you not ashamed of him or his life teaching death burial and resurrection that paid the price of your sin? OSAS says if you used to believe in Jesus, then you still do, even if you Don't, because God vis now responsible for your continued belief, not you? That's ridiculous insanity. Although well meaning, and feel good, made not to hurt feelings and to keep that churches denomination full, and increase the possibility those that fall away will come back to that church because of that doctrine . If that's your current belief, not your past belief than you are saved..Amen God bless.
Great video!!! Thanks! It’s weird that I ran across this video… I watched a video from the pastor that you’re covering the other day. I forget what topic it was on, but the fact that I came across this I feel was God’s telling me don’t listen to this guy anymore.!! God bless you, brother!!
@Faith On Fire I agree with everything you said, and your videos in general. Calvinism is huge threat to christianity and we need more voices of Bible based truth to fight false doctrines! Congrats on your work! HOWEVER :) I want to challenge one of your views. OSAS is not, in my view, biblical, here's why: Firstly, you cannot separate OT theology from NT theology, they are intertwined, the NT ecos and confirms the promises of the OT. Let me ask you this then, do you think Baal worshipers will be in heaven? As you probably know from your OT, they won't. Israelites had God's oracles, a covenant with God, and prophets who were a direct link, but salvation came through faith AND permanent belief and loyalty until the end. Those who apostatized, through their own will, were condemned to hell (Jer 44:1-30) - note how in v. 25 Jeremiah makes it clear that apostasy is the diaspora in Egypt's choice, it's made with clear conscious and recognition of their own actions. They had adopted syncretic features of Egyptian religious practices external to God's design and laws and integrated that into a new form of Judaism (sound familiar?). God made it clear that they would lose their lives and their salvation (the whole book of Jeremiah makes it clear what happens to idolaters). I mean, the vast majority of Israelites apostatized, and guess what, most had been saved once, but you can be sure they won't be with us in eternity. God will NOT have Baal worshipers enter the kingdom, He demands loyalty. Look at the covenants with Abraham and the Patriarchs, and with Moses, they are bilateral. They require loyalty. God makes it clear he is zealous, He does not accept idolatry. So from the OT it's clear that there is no such thing as OSAS. What about the NT? So secondly, the NT does not change the nature of God. The fact that we are sealed by the spirit doesn't mean what you think, it doesn't mean that we are magically unable to reject God or resist the Spirit, that would go against the whole point of giving us free will to begin with. Being sealed by the spirit doesn't mean you now have a ticket or life insurance to believe what you want or to believe in no God! The Ghospel is not a spell that you cast or an incantation that you speak and boom, you are saved forever. If you read the text through the eyes of the authors you will understand that "Seal" refers to "Identity", authentication, not to our modern understanding of seal as something that can't be broken, that's an incorrect interpretation from you my brother. Just like "works" identify and authenticate a Christian, but have nothing to do with salvation, so is our seal of the Spirit, it is a mark that identifies our characteristics, it does not take away the sin of unbelief or the sin of apostasy if we fall into those after being saved. I hope this helps you give it some thought, but you can be sure that God won't have Baal worshipers, OR syncretic Christians, enter His kingdom, He will not be made a fool of, and He is Zealous and a "jealous" God. Sincerely hoping this is edifying :)
Michael Heiser called it Believing Loyalty. If you reject what you once believed and professed then your salvation is at risk or lost. I am aware of many Christian's friends who have rejected God entirely. Clearly, John in his epistles indicates that someone who truly believes and is in dwelt by the Spirit of God should not "fall" and should be able to continue in the faith. However, I am aware of many Christians who truly believed but had terrible times with alcohol (for instance), that they "backslid" in their behaviour but they never rejected God when they were struggling and when they made a recommitment it was with tears and trembling. I could see their heart but I could also see their struggles. However, those who have truly rejected the faith and become apostate, then I suspect that they are lost. To say OSAS is true, it makes a mockery of Jesus' parable of the sower. Ultimately God knows the heart of each person, but I'm with you. Someone who once professed the faith and has then rejected it is just like a Baal worshiper. Whilst I would expect that someone who is truly in dwelt by the Spirit should persevere, however, the concept of Perseverance of the Saints as in Calvinism is abhorrent.
Did you see my recent video called "The Hidden Parable of Moses"? I think that may answer your question as to what the difference is between OT Saints and NT Saints in relation to OSAS. Here it is: ruclips.net/video/O-aZV-3oBK8/видео.html Keep in mind that John 1: 17 says this, "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." This is an important distinction.
@@faithonfireministries Thanks for sharing, I watched the full 17 mins so I must ask you a favor brother, will you please read this long reply with patience and care also? :) It’s just that there’s no way for me to give you a short reply to what is a complicated matter. 1. Does the text support your thesis on why Moses did not enter the land? It doesn’t. You suppose that God’s punishment for Moses' transgression would be excessive if not to tell us a parable. One cannot judge oneself morally superior to God, which is what you would be doing if you speculate on whether God’s punishment was excessive or not. The text is clear on why Moses didn’t enter the land, from God’s own words, as you shared in the video. So textually, you have no ground for your thesis, I’m afraid, beyond speculation based on loose texts, which you are forcing to contradict God’s own words. 2. Moses was a mediator, the law was effectively given by God and His council of elohim (Gal.3:19). Moses was *entrusted* to bring it down to the people (preferably without breaking the tablets XD ), but he didn’t create the law, as u know. So that’s another flawed argument. Again, the text is very clear as to why Moses didn’t enter the p land. As for OSAS, I got the feeling you paid no mind to my original arguments, & if so, let me give you a more detailed explanation (thank u for your patience bud!): Firstly let me just say that I wholly agree that works don’t get anyone saved, salvation cannot be merited, and you can’t lose salvation because of poor performance, that’s not the issue, we both agree on that. My focal point is that precisely because salvation cannot be merited you are expected to be loyal to God in your belief *till the end*. It’s by faith alone that we are saved, but it’s not faith at a certain point in time and then it’s not important anymore, it’s faith *till the end* (assuming you are mentally able of course). This is supported in the text in Heb. 5 and 6. In short, the only thing that can affect your standing before God is if you reject the gospel. That means rejecting THE REAL gospel. If you decide to believe that the gospel means something that it doesn’t mean, if you redefine it, or alter it in some way, where Christ’s death and resurrection mean something else, or that salvation comes through some any other means, you are REJECTING the real gospel, willingly. This includes calvinists, adventists, catholics, JWs, and ANY so-called believer that is willingly, consciously, rejecting Christ’s gospel. That is apostasy, and that leads to condemnation because (like the example I gave previously in Jeremiah), it’s a conscious decision to reject God other than in one’s own terms. You have said in your videos that someone once saved who then becomes a calvinist will still be saved because he is “sealed” by the spirit. This is not supported by the Bible. Quite the contrary. As I explained (maybe you didn’t read it) “seal” there in greek is sphragizó, which refers to the verb “to seal”, as in, to authenticate, to validate, it gives evidence of who you belong to. It’s not meant as an adjective, as if we’re sealed forever with an unbroken seal, it’s a continuing characteristic that gives evidence of who you are and who you belong to, just like works. It has nothing to do with salvation. Your wedding ring is a seal that shows the world you are married, but it doesn’t mean your wedding can’t be ended if you do something to end it. Same with works, if you are married you are expected to do certain things for your wife as evidence of your love. If you say you love your wife but you cheat on her, spend all your money on booze or gambling and then don’t have money to buy clothes for your kids, etc, then your words “i love you” are pretty hollow & meaningless. Our relationship with God when it comes to works is similar, they evidence our true love for Him, and because we are *grateful*, we try to stay away from sin and look to doing good. But works or being sealed have *nothing* to do with salvation. Hope that clears it on what “sealed” means. Still on OSAS, trading the true gospel for a false gospel is apostasy, it’s a rejection of God, a rejection of the Truth, which is Jesus. That’s the ONLY way to change your status before God. Want salvation? You have to believe in the Truth. Believe in anything? NO, believe in the gospel of Christ as per the NT, understanding what it actually means, that is the truth, He is the Truth. Don’t believe that anymore? You are no longer saved. No one goes to God except through the Truth, Jesus. That means that if you don’t believe the gospel of christ, or choose to believe an altered version, you are not going to God. An altered version of the gospel is a lie, Jesus is not a lie, He is the Truth, which is why calvinists are doomed to hell, whether they once believed in the True gospel or not. I’ll ask you to pls read Heb. 6:4-20. The passage is not saying that someone who’s lost faith and left the gospel cannot be recovered (the greek adjc. for “impossible” there also means “powerless”), fatalistically doomed to hell, what it *actually* says is that if someone once knew the true gospel of faith goes back to believing a gospel of repentance by dead works, it’s going to be very difficult for them to return since they have effectively *apostatized*, they now believe in a false gospel willingly, after having known the true gospel and rejecting it. They are crucifying Jesus again holding Him up to contempt, that’s how serious this apostasy is, says the writer. They rejected the only Way to eternal life, and gone after a different gospel. The author is talking to jews (hebrews) who are contemplating going back to a works based system and he calls that a betrayal, an apostasy that will strip them of salvation, and it would be a mockery of the cross. If you wonder why it’s so difficult for a massive portion of calvinists to come out of that system, there’s a valuable perspective for you from this inspired writing. I know you might want to fixate on 2 Cor. 1:22 and Eph 1:13, etc, but note that that sort of deterministic view is not that different than calvinist’s misunderstanding of election (which is why I’m devoting all this time to writing this comment, because I do believe your work is important and is undermined by your hypocritical misunderstanding about OSAS). The seal is an identifier. It’s not about a spell that you cast and then you are saved forever, with a seal that guarantees this salvation even if you apostatize. Nope. A seal is there to identify you, it marks you, but it doesn’t merit salvation. That’s what calvinists say about election. They have been elected and therefore nothing can take salvation away from them. It’s the same misunderstanding of what these concepts mean. Just like works show you have faith, so does having the spirit of God within you, it identifies which team you belong to. Same with baptism, when you choose to be baptized you are declaring to the spiritual world that you don’t belong to the team of death, you belong to the team that defeated death, but the baptism doesn’t guarantee salvation, it’s a completely separate thing. Ancient Israelites were sealed, they were circumcised to show to whom they were aligned with, yet most of them apostatized and won’t be in heaven, they are condemned to hell. The seal that they had didn’t mean they were saved forever magically. Salvation requires one thing only, faith until the end. Not faith one day at 6 years old at summer camp (as in my case) and then boom I can stop believing or believe in a different gospel No, faith that is patient, enduring (again, Hebrews 6). And this perseverance is not imposed by the spirit, it’s a choice, contrary to what calvinists believe (and I guess you). Brother, if you don’t understand the separation of salvation from these other concepts in the Bible that identify us, then you too are a milk-drinker, sorry to sound harsh.
@Coreteks I agree with your exposition, although the last sentence was a bit harsh. Like you, I've been a believer since childhood, and done quite a bit of thinking on this subject. If Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith would not fail, and Paul thought he could be disqualified, then we can't be too smug about our salvation. On the other hand, there may be many believers whose hearts are right with God, but are being misled by poor teaching . I'm thankful that having 100% correct theology is not a condition for salvation, otherwise I don't think there would be any hope for us! I have come to the conclusion that humility and teachability are crucial; dare I say more important than 'correct' theology?
@@franroxburgh6055 Thanks for reading! I wish Brian would also. I may have been too harsh, I can accept that. I totally agree with you, and no man has the right or authority to tell another that he/she is saved or not saved out of his own accord just because that person doesn’t hold the theology he deems the correct one. Naaman and the widow of sarepta are used as examples of faith by Jesus and they didn’t possess the correct theology, or any theology at all. Which is why the jews at Nazareth wanted to murder Christ, He was telling them that faith was the only requirement for salvation, not their religious practices or keeping the law. However (there’s always a however :) Christ gave his disciples (including us) the authority to forgive sins or not (John 20:23), meaning, as a central vector to Jesus’s ministry was the notion of “repentance from sins”, and His sacrifice meant that by faith in Him our sins can truly be forgiven by God, it’s the only acceptable sacrifice. So this authority to forgive sins or not is precisely the authority to tell someone if they are saved or not, according to what the Word says, and with His authority. If we share the gospel and a person accepts Christ and believes, we have the authority to tell that person “your sins are forgiven”, even though we are not Christ. That’s what that passage means. But also to tell someone “your sins are not forgiven, because you reject Christ”. As per Heb. 6, if someone alters the gospel to make a concession to their own failings, it’s because they don’t yet understand the gospel, in fact, if they change the gospel they are rejecting Jesus. When a calvinist alters the gospel to read “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, *and is part of the elect* should not perish, but have everlasting life.” they are effectively rejecting Jesus, because they reject His gospel and choose another one. This is not just having the wrong theology, or being led astray, this is a rejection of the true gospel, a rejection of Christ, and a mockery of the cross (Heb. 6:6). As such, as true christians, we have the responsibility and the authority granted by our Savior to say that calvinists are indeed condemned, as per the Word of God, not per our own philosophy. It might sound harsh that calvinists almost had it, just for a few small details, and now they are condemned?! And many having being deceived?! Well, who are we to say what is too harsh or not if God has made it clear that Jesus is the only Way to salvation? Not a false Jesus, or an altered version that better fits our needs and wants, the Jesus of the Bible. We’re not morally superior to Him. And Jesus IS harsh, all the time, “(...) I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matt 7:23. This is because God is loving and wants His creation saved, so the warnings have to be clear and direct. Thanks again for your reply! God bless you brother!
love your vids which also helped me come out of Calvinism. like you said they got me when I was a baby Christian when I had no knowledge. But now I'm saved and know the truth.
Check out Dr leighton flowers as well. Awesome content when you want to wake up to calvinism. Research Calvin himself and what he did to servetus. 🕵️♂️
Then why does he identify himself as a 33 Point Calvinist (33 chapters of WCOF) rather than the Bible? All Calvinists say their favorite preachers faithfully exposit the Bible. No, they don't. Expositing the Word of God means to go line by line through the text and properly exegete the text, explaining the true meaning of it. If they did that, they would not be Calvinists to begin with.
@@faithonfireministries like I said. I am not a Calvinist. I’m not Presbyterian either. I’m a free will guy that loves the Bible and doesn’t adhere to a formal written confession. I’ve listened to Matthew exposit through books like Revelation and what I’ve heard is quite good. He’s repeated over and over on his channel that the Bible is the only scripture and is higher than his confession document. I think everyone should read the Bible and get their theology from those 66 books. But many are lazy and confessions do help them understand it. My hope and prayer is that confessions lead them to read the Bible more.
We need to stop the niceties re: reformed/Calvinism theology and call it for what it is, demonic and straight from the pit of hell. Anyone deceived by these heresies need to repent and go back to the Word of God. The Lord said it plainly in John 16:13, "however, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come He will guide you into all truth....!!!" God did NOT SEND a MAN to guide and teach His Word, He sent His Holy Spirit. Again in 1 John 2:27, "...but as the same anointing (Holy Spirit) teaches you concerning ALL THINGS, and is true....." This same evil doctrine has deceived too many people already and those of us who rely on The Holy Spirit for wisdom, insight and discernment need to call it out and disregard the 'accusations' of men and their judgement! It is God Almighty who will judge me, not a deceptive reformer who can't tell if God loves His World!!! This battle is growing in intensity and sadly, it is prophetic and will continue until the end comes!
Brother, luv the content, keep it coming! Need ur advise; I’m retiring to the Philippines where there are no Christian Churches around except a reformed Baptist church. The people were very friendly and loving. I’m the kind of person that can’t keep their mouth shut and I will bring up their error at the right time. What should I do? Attend there and try to fix their doctrinal error or not attend anywhere at all n just have a weekly Home Bible study? I know community and accountability is very important! Your thought?
That is a tough one. How reformed are they? In some Reformed Baptist churches, they are like little cults of social club Cessationists who quench the Holy Spirit and spend an inordinate amount of time defending the doctrines of Calvinism and gaslighting anyone who doesn't agree with them. Such churches are usually loving and welcoming to their own and new people at first up until the point anyone points out that Scripture contradicts any aspect of their theology. Then it gets ugly. However, a lot of Baptist churches have hints of "reformed theology" in their church statements of faith but they are far from it and preach the true Gospel of Christ, they are not ashamed to correctly say that Jesus Christ loves you and died for you to anyone and they believe that people must make a choice to believe in Him to receive the gift of God's grace through faith, not of works. They don't have to preach against Calvinism directly but I'd look for evidence that they in fact teach Biblical doctrines that when compared to the doctrines of Calvinism, end up refuting that reformed theological framework. I'd go to that sort of Baptist church even if they seemingly have something slight Calvinistic sounding written into their church's faith statement on their website, probably for no other reason that it was copied from some other generally accepted Baptist statement of faith and nobody in that church has yet to catch the contradiction it has with Scripture. Such a church and their leadership generally encourages Bible discussions regarding sound Biblical doctrine, realizing iron sharpens iron. You will want to stay clear of the first type of Reformed Baptist church that makes the doctrines of grace (5 points of Calvinism, TULIP) a big issue. Tell tale signs are that all their resources they share with people are from past or current big named Calvinists, and they adhere to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith which is just pure Calvinism. It is virtually identical to the Westminster Confession of Faith for Presbyterians. In that case, you had a great idea to start a weekly home Bible study and pray the Lord sends you a pastor to lead and eventually start up a new church. It sounds like that place could use a second church anyway! Perhaps that is one of the reasons God has you there.
The first turn-off with Matthew Everhard is his constant "Appeal to authority" and "Appeal to education" fallacies he promotes. He often speaks of his education as a qualifier to speak on subjects that a layman can read and understand. It is like saying I am a master clock maker so only I can tell the time correctly. I don't think he understands that right off the bat it comes off as pretentious and pompous. I never got as far as you did listening to him.
Hi Brian! Really enjoy this channel. I wanted to share this with you as it's so important and I feel, timely, as per your channel and your stand on the John Calvin teachings. So...about an hour ago, I was on Voddie Bacham's thread. He put up a post regarding women being silent in the church....you know the one. So I started a conversation with a woman who took issue (as do I), with the post. The Scripture is 1 Tim. 2:12...you know the one. So check this out. I posted my position (with biblical verses), using precept upon precept and of course keeping 'context' in mind with the inclusion of overview of chapter/book etc. I used the said verses stating that the Scripture was speaking to the culture of the day and not referring to Mosaic Law. People took issue with my view and a few others who agreed.The overall position was in agreement with Voddie Bacham's post but I said that it wasn't about marriage and instead about the conduct of those particular women in that church. That it was Roman law and the women were being loud/unruly etc. Paul was admonishing them to get it together and start acting appropriately but he wasn't implying using a muzzle when he used the word silent/quiet. The majority rules I guess and the overall take was that women indeed need to shut- up in ministry and in the church present day. It got heated when I brought up the John Calvin teachings. Immediately, I was pursuing a sinful pathway and coming up against the Bible. Which I'm not. I was also told this will lead me to hell. And shortly thereafter, Voddie Bacham's admin team shut me down almost immediately. Someone must have reported me to the admin people. I was no longer able to be a part of the thread. I simply couldn't post another comment. An expose, I suppose on the church today. This wreaks of legalism and the doctrine comes first theology. Very concerning that there is no room for discussion, on that post anyway.
Wow, sorry to hear all that. Voddie Baucham is the Calvinist guy who said babies are vipers in diapers trying to be funny and uphold his view of Calvinism. That works on them because such nonsense ideas thrive in an environment of Biblical ignorance. The Bible says children are a gift and a blessing from God and Jesus called them innocent in essence by stating to adults that they must be like children to enter into heaven. Dead in sins people do not enter heaven, so that only leaves one option for infants and children... they are NOT dead in their sins but seen as innocent before God. I would go nowhere near anything Voddie is associated with. You will only find the blind leading the blind in there.
God bless you Brian for standing against the heresy of the calvanist tulip god. I certainly dont agree with you on all matters but I consider them non essentials...eg. wome pastors and speaking in tongues...but the tulip god is against the true God of the bible so that certainly is not a non essential. Even jw mormons and even muslims claim a god but sadly they are deceived intentionally or unintentionally by humans.
Truly saved. Your human spirit is destroyed, dead. You now have Jesus , His Holy Spirit living in you. You can’t be unsaved. God has made you His through Jesus.
Not sure about that. Paul wrote that His spirit (Gods) beareth witness with OUR spirit that we are the children of God. If our spirit is quenched and replaced only by God's Spirit, how can God's Spirit witness to ours? Also, we are told not to "quench" the Spirit. This clearly means not to suppress Gods Spirit working in us.
That's not biblically accurate. Your human spirit dies when you willfully sin for the first time. Romans 7:9. Then when you are born again, the Holy Spirit indwells in you bringing your human spirit back to life, born of God, and incorruptible. The Holy Spirit then bears witness to your renewed and now super duper human spirit and we perceive and interpret our human spirit and it's interaction with the Holy Spirit with our soul and flesh. Rom 8:15-17, Gal 4:6-7, Rom 8:11. But you have tons of people running around calling themselves "truly saved" that aren't born again, don't have the Holy Spirit, don't have genuine fruit, works, or power of the Spirit that are just deceived into thinking their golden when they never received the Holy Spirit. They believed the false doctrine that they received the fullness of God's Spirit when they "believed" but they don't really believe and instead they misinterpreted and were deceived that God calling them and them feeling the Holy Spirit working in their hearts as they were coming to faith as being saved when it wasn't so they get discipled into playing church/false religion without actually getting saved and now they don't understand that they need to continue to come to faith and be saved. They keep faking it until they make it and get disheartened when it gets tough because they don't have the Holy Spirit doing the heavy lifting. This is what happens to 90+% of people in even Bible teaching churches. And the pastors don't know how to fix it because they're in the same boat.
I’m not sure about your answer. 15For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba,[e] Father.” Is not my spirit adopted by Him and therefore my spirit is gone. Hidden in His spirit?
If you allow me to use analogy. The house down the street sold. The people who lived there have moved. A new family moved in. Same house but new life inside.
Sorry Brian I willbhave to disagree with you on your take of salvation for calavanists and osas. If a persson was truly saved and a believer of the true god of the bible they will never fall for the tulip god because the Holy Spirit is truth and I doubt He would convict peoplent to the tulip god...especially if a person is a bible primary believer. I do struggle with this but ultimately it is the true God of the bible who decides...I simply expressing my concern for calvanists.
In essence the Calvinist obsession is with not being Catholic. God required his commands to not be departed from EITHER TO THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT. This recognises the narrow way has error either side. Calvin and his peers saw genuine error in Catholic doctrine and for good reason sought to have people flee it. Alas in haste to be " not Catholic " they just ran right past the narrow way to everything "opposite " Rome. Many new denominations emerged in a similar process. The byproduct is an obsession with defending thier refuge from what they fled rather than zeal for the narrow way. It also expresses itself in more energy online going into saying whats wrong with others position rather than whats right with the narrow way... the one we should not depart from to either side. So I agree with the criticism your raise but I hope this insight adds clarity
Amen. I've long thought Calvinism touts the Westminister Confession or the London Baptist Confession as a sort of scaffolding to keep track of scripture, but instead these are treated as a blueprint for how to read the Bible. That is not scripture interpreting scripture, and it certainly is not sola scriptura.
“For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”” 2 Peter 2:20-22 ESV
Once Saved Always Saved Revelation 3:5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
The Bible itself by cross-referencing “overcome” defines who is the one who overcomes and it is those who believed by faith for salvation in the one (Jesus) who has overcome the world. It is just like with sin. Jesus never sinned but people do. It’s not as though, when you come to faith in Jesus Christ, you become a perfect sinless human, but you receive the imputed righteousness of Christ, and are seen as innocence, righteous and sinless, as Jesus was. But I understand where you’re coming from and it’s a great comment. This is a topic worth doing a video about and going through the individual verses. I think it’ll really help people. It’s important to let scripture. Interpret scripture by cross references and letting the Bible define for us certain terms used in other verses. God bless you!
@@faithonfireministries The verse makes it obvious that one's name could be blotted out of the Book of Life. Other verses indicate one can reject their salvation, but this one is the simplest.
No it doesn't say that. That verse is reassurance, not a threat. It is not suggesting a name written into the book of life can be blotted out. It is saying the opposite of that. Are you reading that in the KJV? First of all, a name is added to the book of life because the person came to faith in Christ, therefore is an overcomer by faith in Him who overcame sin and death. 1 John 5: 5 says, "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" That is as clear a definition of who is an overcomer according to God as possibly could ever be given. Let's not add works to it. So, the names of all the believers will never be blotted out. Rev 3: 5 does not suggest any names will ever be blotted out, but that Jesus will confess that person's name before His Father. It is a verse that promises eternal security. Think of Matthew 7, when Jesus casts away the works based salvation religious types who mention all the good works they did in His name. They think their good works in His name is what saved them, or in other words they think they saved themselves by earning their way into heaven. Jesus said He never knew them. That means they were never written into the Lamb's Book of Life and He won't be confessing their names before the Father. Also, look at any of the 8 Bible verses that have the phrase "book of life" and you will not see anyone being blotted out of it or stated any other way that implies removal of a name from the Book. The closest you get to that is Revelation 22: 19 but that must be read and understood in relation to the earlier verse in Rev 20: 12 which speaks of the rewards a believer in the Book of Life receive based upon their good works. Keep in mind, their works did not save them, but good works and obedience to Christ does earn rewards in heaven and the dead believers are judged upon those works only for the purpose of giving them rewards in heaven. Jesus referred to it as "laying up treasures in heaven." However, Revelation 22: 19 refers to this and it does include a warning that anyone who takes away words from this book of prophesy (Book of Revelation) God will take away his part out of the Book of Life. The Greek word for "part" means share, not name. So, it is not as though the person's name is blotted out and goes to hell, but they would lose all their rewards (share).
Good one. I like it. King David is smart, appealing to God to smite his enemies and he asks a lot from God about intervening with massive judgement against those who persecute him. So, this is an interesting verse because it is one of the imprecatory psalms in which David is asking God to bring down life ending judgement on his enemies. It is not definitive that God did that in an eternal sense or would ever do that today if we prayed similarly asking God to strike down our enemies and send them to hell. The KJV says the book of living, not book of life from Revelation and I think David was simply asking God to kill his enemies, and his prayer was not a reference to the Lamb's Book of Life you and I have been discussing. And I am also glad this is not carried out by God today in this age of grace or all of us would be blotted out and not written with the righteous. 2 Peter 3: 9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Christianity: "Go and baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Calvinism: "Go and baptize in the name of Reformed Theology, the Westminster Confession, and the Bible when needing proof text."
I've listened to this man several times. I believe I can learn from anyone. Sometimes, we learn from other people that they are promoting heresy. Calvinism is a lie from the pits of hell. But, what you do with regards to female pastors is also heresy. My offer stands to debate you concerning female pastors. We are in agreement about Calvinism. I'm just an average middle-aged man. Don't be intimidated. God bless you
Just an honest question please don't attack me: I'm a calvinist, and if i were to come to that through my own, that's okay, but if i was to teach it, that's bad? Or is it all bad? I listened to this video, but i was left confused on whether or not the argument is on the idea or the document. At the end of the video, faith on fire mentions his confidence in the fact that God can save someone out of the calvinist thought. I just wanted to also ask would it be wrong to believe in the sovereignty of God? Because if I'm honest, that's where i arrived to my current beliefs. I read the bible in the way that makes God the main character, and seeing him provide from adam to the prophets just makes it the thought complete. God gave the spirit to the artisans in exodus to build the tabernacle, to the king saul, whom later that same God removed it from. There are other references i can come up with, but im not here to prove a point. Would the argument be against the confessions and the promotion or against the beliefs itself?
When a Calvinist says a Christian doesn't believe in the sovereignty of God that is just code for the person does not believe in Calvinism so we must discredit them in a way that strongly implies they are immoral. Its a tactic often seen used in cults to demonize outsiders. They apply a wrong definition of sovereignty that is never used the same way in the English language anytime that word is used in any other context. For instance, when we say a king or nation is sovereign over a people, we never mean that to suggest that the king or nation meticulously determines every single thing that each person ever does, including each and every single act of evil or good done by each person under that king or nation. Calvinism teaches that about God's sovereignty but the Bible does not. Also, it never means the king or nation randomly selects a few citizens to be rewarded with life and all others are reserved for death and that destiny is pre-set and unchangeable. Calvinism teaches that about God but the Bible does not. Outside of Calvinism, their view of God's sovereignty in the rest of the world is known as Pagan Fatalism.
@faithonfireministries I just read the message. Thanks for responding to me. I think there was something that was misunderstood here. I did not say that only calvinist believe in sovereignty of God. I asked if you would listen to a calvinist teaching on the sovereignty of God also. That was not one of the same questions in my original post. I see why there could be some issues in reading my post, so I'll take responsibility and organize my questions. First, is simply being a calvinist a bad thing, or is it the teaching and documents that are bad? Second, which was kind of answered was, would you affirm a calvinistic view on the sovereignty of God? Lastly, let me be very clear: I am not here to convince anyone to my way of understanding, I know it like convincing a left-handed person to be right-handed. I do not belong to a reformed church and have had multiple conversations with people who I love who disagree. My goal here is to understand why the way I read scripture is considered a false view? Now, here is my conclusion, when I read sections of scriptures like Judges chapter 2:11-3:6 where God is "giving them over to plunderers" (2:14) and the book of Lamentations chapter 2where it connected God swallowing(2:5) the kingdom of Judah to the Babylonians swallowing (2:16). I do know that they are in different context, genres, and times, but I have to think that these sections of scriptures aren't just filler with no strong connection to God's sovereignty over the nations.
I'll admit I'd have to resist the urge to ask him "Why the long face?" if I ever met him. That said, physical appearance is unimportant compared to doctrine. Regardless of whether this guy looks like Satan, Jesus, or anything in between, the doctrines he is peddling are outright Luciferianism thinly disguised in a "Christian" wrapper.
Whenever a group follows a man-made theological system and then tries to affirm those doctrines in Scripture, inevitably it does not go well and they run into countless contradictions they can't explain. So, they usually just say its a mystery and we shouldn't dwell on that apparent problem, just accept the theology, rather than consider that their theology is the problem. But then there are always those in the group that start realizing some of the doctrines are just so incredibly wrong that they reject some of it but try to hold onto the rest and maintain their association with the group. That is why there are 3 point, 4 point and 5 point Calvinists and apparently even 33 point Calvinists as we learned today. There are even some Calvinists calling others Calvinists Hyper-Calvinists meant as a criticism. No question about it, they are divided on Scripture and just as divided as a group too.
Alright I normally give you a hard time about you trashing Calvinist…. But this one understand totally. 66 point Christian 😂 Nice one. I do love to study theology and read systematic theology. Any I think you are right here and I usually disagree with your stuff
@@faithonfireministries Ha. No, I didn't say that. I was simply quoting Spurgeon. Other quotes might be from Paul, Isaiah, John, Luke/Acts "and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed", the list from the Bible goes on and on. Spurgeon just put it in a nutshell.
Why would you leave a quote like that without any added thought from yourself as to why you disagree with the quote unless you are providing it because you indeed do agree with it? Scripture gives us the Gospel exactly in 1 Corinthians 1: 3,4 or in a nutshell many others times such as John 3: 16 and Acts 16: 31 since it now appears you were searching for the Gospel in a nutshell. What Spurgeon said is wrong, very wrong!!! Calvinism is the opposite of the true Gospel of Christ as per Romans 1: 16. Calvinism has a false gospel that is not good news to the world at all nor an offer of God's grace and forgiveness to whosoever believes in Christ by faith, but only that a few unwilling people will be saved by unconditional election alone through irresistible grace, and faith in Christ is only a secondary byproduct of that election and forced grace. And current Calvinists who appeal to well known dead Calvinists for their doctrines instead of appealing to Scripture have an idolatry problem.
Im a Christian Reformer we do not use the westminster confession. We use the Heidleburg Catechism Belgic Confession and Canons of Dort. You should read these BEFORE you pass judgement on Calvinism
Perhaps you should read up on Calvin before you pass judgment on people passing judgment on Calvinism. Your patron saint was no saint. The vast majority of Calvinists I've spoken to off and on the internet have not ever read Calvin's actual writings. You people don't even know what your nomenclature and source of authority actually taught!
RUclipsrs like allie beth stuckey,,standard of truth podcast,,all things theology,for example, have a number of good topic discussions. Yet they all have one thing in common,,their die hard allegiance to John McArthur, Vodie Bauchman.
I've had some small disagreements with the women and they didn't respond. But with the male host "all things theology ", he became irate when I opposed him. What's sad is there are issues in the church that should be addressed that they do well,but come off as somewhat legalistic regarding salvation and borderline blasphemous regarding the Holy Spirit. So any of the Calvin followers actually leading people to Christ, not so confident
I don't think I could stomach that! Besides, what sort of a person is willing to pay good money to sit and watch a bunch of Pharisees pontificate on all the things they think God is no longer doing?
@@faithonfireministries I'd be more inclined to call those guys "Sadducees" than "Pharisees", as the Sadducees were the ones who rejected the ideas of the supernatural and the Old Testament Scriptures beyond the five books written by Moses (while the Pharisees, for all their faults, at least acknowledged the supernatural and the entire Old Testament). Sadducees thought there was no life after death. That's why they were sad, you see...
@bucky91361 Your TULIP states that you lot must persevere to the end with works or else you really weren't one of the saved calvinist elect. Instead of spam pasting verses without context attempting to make an argument that these support your heresy, why don't you just answer *HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED RIGHT NOW IF YOUR OWN TULIP SAYS YOU WONT KNOW UNTIL THE END AND ONLY IF YOU PERSEVERE WITH WORKS?*
@@THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY I'm suppose to have a conversation with someone who "you lot" 's me twice and then screams at me? I answered your question. Go read those verses.
And likewise, if you tell a freemason who is way below that 33 level that he is being sucked deeper and deeper into a Satanic cult, what do they always say?... No, it is Christian and you'd just don't understand it.
I find very interesting; maybe that is the wrong word, more like irritating when these churches do devotionals or exposition on the confessions. while it may show their position in clear light-- it does nothing to show what they believe about the scriptures.
1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;………………once saved always saved ?
Great verse and so true, but how is OSAS a doctrine of devils given John 10: 28,29 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." What part of "they shall never perish" is confusing? And there are so many other similar passages. It is not by our works but by faith in His finished redemptive work, and once we are saved, at that moment we are given the gift of God which is eternal life. How long does eternal life last? Only so long provided we keep earning it through works and our faithfulness or is it exactly as long as Christ said it to be, which is forever, all eternity?
@@faithonfireministriesthe OSAS idea is sort of like the Calvinistic Perserverance of the Saints, but without the Calvinism. Your reference from John 10, neglects the previous 2 verses. Jesus said in vs 26 Jesus said you believe not because you are not of my sheep and in vs 27 He said my sheep "follow me". Making a commitment once and being saved does not stop a person from ceasing to believe or not follow. Salvation is not just a one time action, otherwise it makes Paul's statement in Romans meaningless that "our salvation is nearer than when we first believed". Salvation requires belief and continuing belief to the culmination which will be achieved at the resurrection. As I said elsewhere, God knows each persons heart. A true Christian that is in dwelt by the Spirit of God should be able to continue in their faith, but Jesus made it clear in the parable of the sower that some continue in the faith for only a while and fall away. Were they ever really saved or did they just give that appearance? I don't know. However, I know many people who were "seemingly" believers and had been so for decades but have now totally rejected God. Would they have been saved if they died before they started rejecting God? It's important to persevere and produce fruit but we can't put our hand to the plough and then take our hand off it down the track.
I did not neglect the previous 2 verses. I know John 10 very well and they do not undo what Jesus said right after. Remember His parable about the 99 sheep and 1 lost sheep that He goes after? Jesus loses none that belong to Him and all believers belong to Him! He saves us and keeps us saved by His power. We are in His hands, eternally secure, and if it were any other way then our trust would not be in Christ but in our own works, and we then have a false gospel that in essence claims we are our own savior. Our salvation occurs the moment we placed out trust in Christ by faith, and at that moment we are indwelled by the Holy Spirit of promise, as Scripture says. Why "promise?" Because you are partly right in that the promises of our salvation are secure but not fully received in entirety until the resurrection of the dead into glorified heavenly bodies, but the promise to that end is sealed by the Holy Spirit the moment a person is born again.
I remember picking up a "satanic bible" and reading it. Okay, it didn't seem to grieve me. I picked up a deep theological work and it began to just make me angry. Why? Because I am justifying the satanic bible? No. Why? Because at least with the satanic bible, it is written by a clearly God hatting individual, rather then somebody who is intricately taking the Word of God, and writing down a perversion of it. Its similar to that "the shack" thing, that was years ago. A book they said that basically, broke the Bible, and that Christians were putting down their Bibles to exchange for The Shack. When I watched the movie, I was like, "there's nothing here. There is no God, there is no Jesus, there is no Holy Ghost". They were shocked that I didnt come off being enlightened somehow. Well, the Holy Ghost has to be there for me to be enlightened more. I was even upsetting people at the Bible study when I gave the right kind of review for the movie. He was upset because his wife had cried seeing the movie. Well, sorry, but a woman's tears cant sanctify and make holy, something that is not.
You are misapplying what Jesus said to the religious leaders wanting to stone the woman caught in adultery. We are exhorted in Scripture to expose false teachings and to contend for the faith once delivered unto the saints. Doing so edifies the Body of Christ and is very helpful to keep Christians (especially new Christians) from straying into deceptive false theologies.
As newborn babes desire the sincere milk of the word that Ye may grow thereby I attended churches just after Conversion but felt I wasn't Receiving sound doctrine So.i prayed and I was led into The doctrine of predestination That God had chosen me for Eternal life!
I know and understand that there are no verses that support the idea that regeneration precedes faith, but I am wondering if there is something in the Bible that the Calvinists are twisting to come up with this idea?
Yes they do, but by reading into the text what is not there of course. They refer to John 3: 3 when Jesus tells Nicodemus that a person must be born again or he cannot see the Kingdom of God. They claim this means one must be of the elect chosen for salvation by God and then at some decreed moment of their life they get regenerated (born again) by the Holy Spirit according to their doctrine of Irresistible Grace which happens first, before they can believe the Gospel and have faith in Christ. A person would have to have on some pretty thick Calvinist glasses to see all that in the text of John 3: 3. It just isn't even there at all.
Yes it is. Here is just one clear example spoken by Jesus Christ in John 10, "27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
@@faithonfireministries This verse actually supports conditional security. Notice the promises are for the sheep. Sheep is an idiom for follower, so this promises are for those who are followers of Jesus. And we agree that no one can take them away from Jesus. But what happens if the person willingly stops following Jesus? Well Jesus tells us in John 15:6 “If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.” John 15:6 ESV
Nope, I think you are confusing sheep in John 10 with sheep in Matthew 25. In Matthew 25 sheep is a metaphor for believer, goats for unbelievers. In John 10 Jesus speaks of "the sheep" and "My sheep" which are His sheep, the believers. Sheep in this chapter is a metaphor for people, everyone. Jesus tells the unbelieving religious leaders that they are not believers because they are not of "My sheep." "My sheep" is a how Jesus in John 10 distinguished believers from the others, collectively all of them, believers and unbelievers being "the sheep." And while on that topic, Jesus clearly said He lay down His life for "the sheep" (John 10: 15) which in yet another proof that Calvinistic Limited Atonement which says Jesus only died for the Elect is in opposition to the His words in the Bible.
@@faithonfireministries I said that sheep is an idiom for follower. That is true in John and in Matt. But even in your view of this passage my point stands. We agree that when Jesus speaks of “His sheep” He is talking about “his followers” or as you put it, “the believers”. So this passage is still saying that the promises are for HIS SHEEP, meaning the believers. So what happens if you stop believing ? About 80 passages tell us what happens, one of those the aforementioned John 15:6
One thing good for sure is this. I don't think we would be having this discussion if we both weren't saved. We love our Lord, and we know the grace of God in our lives. We disagree on if someone can lose salvation or if someone who is truly saved will ever actually renounce the faith for real (not just go through a difficult season when life bites them) but the good news is that a scenario of apostacy or doubt does not describe either one of us. We love Scripture and try our best to understand it and we discuss how to interpret it because it is our authority. This is good and I appreciate our discussion. It is what the Bible calls "iron sharpens iron." God bless you!
@@faithonfireministries Do you not demand allegiance to your writings that are outside of Scripture? Also, as I am an individual, I do not belong to a 'camp'.
You said you are a “Reformed Baptist”. Could you do a study sometime on what a “Reformed Baptist “is because when I hear that when someone is reformed I run from them.
No, I said I am a Baptist, NOT a Reformed Baptist. I was trying to clarify that because there is a huge difference. The SBC Baptists include many Bible, believing Baptist churches that are opposed to Calvinism, and it also includes some Reformed Baptist churches, which are Calvinists. I personally believe that the SBC should disfellowshipped every single reformed Baptist church, but I also realize that isn’t going to happen. Then there are independent fundamental Baptist churches, and almost all of them are very much opposed to Calvinism/Reformed Theology.
Didn't you pay attention? I said twice in this video I am not against confessionals or creeds, just that they should not be the authority we turn to, but only have the Bible as our sole authority from which we judge the legitimacy of such creeds and credentials. The 33 point Calvinists are not identifying with Scripture but primarily with their confessional which says all we need to know about what is their sole authority.
@@faithonfireministriesAbsolutely useless and ridiculous criticism of other faithful Christians. All serious creedal and confession Presbyterians affirm that only Scripture holds infallible authority. Writing a book that explains the teaching of a historic confession doesn't contradict Sola Scriptura in the slightest. Don't you realize that the Reformed church has also produced thousands of devotionals and commentaries on Scripture directly as well? Why is it that these provisionist RUclipsrs like you always have their entire channel dedicated to debunking a specific theology? How about actually going to seminary and becoming a pastor and shepherding a church and denomination yourself? Then maybe the "Provisionist" church might actually produce some theologians that can be taken seriously, instead of being a minor angry group on the Internet trying to be modern day Pelagians. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits." Provisionists have barely produced anything valuable for the church.
I disagree with Chapters I & XXXI of the Westminster Confession. Chapter I lists the Books of the Bible, excluding the Deuterocanonical Books such as Maccabees, Tobit, and Ecclesiasticus. Worse yet, it does NOT mention where the Books of the Bible came from, especially the Selection Process. In effect, it ignores the Disciplines of Patristics and Canonics. Chapter XXXI compounds the problems introduced by Chapter I by ignoring the Role of the Church Council to make such things official. So severe are these shortcomings that few Calvinists know who St. Irenaeus is, and most who do denounce him as a heretic. In reality, St, Irenaeus is the single man most responsible for keeping the Gnostic Gospels such as the Gospel according to Judas Iscariot out of the Bible.
If my recollection is correct, the Westminster profession of faith list stems from the reformation movement written at a time of much erroneous teachings coming out of the Catholic church. The purpose was to correct and protect the body of believers straying into error.The content of the Westminster confession is based upon the fundamental core of scripture doctrine. I think everyone should read what the Westminster confession of faith actually says before passing judgement. Including you, Brian
Oh, I have read the WCOF but I've already been a Christian reading my Bible daily for decades, so I am prepared to spot error and contradictions between it and the Word of God. The WCOF is full of garbage and prooftexts that don't support its Calvinistic statements. Would you also advise any Christians to go and read the Book of Mormon before passing judgement on the legitimacy of Mormonism? I doubt it. There is no difference. Like other cults, Calvinism is just a false theology that men wrote because they disagreed with the Bible. Like cults, a huge effort is expended towards converting Christians to Calvinism. It claims exclusivity as superior theology with superior theologians though that is a delusion. It claims it contains distinctive doctrines that are undeniable spiritual truths though they are easily debunked by Scripture. They often try to discredit and dismiss anyone who has studied and rejected their theology by saying they just don't understand it. They often shun those who belonged to it, then reject it and leave, despite them only leaving Calvinism, not Christianity. They have a list of giants of the faith they idolize who popularized the cult, and if anyone questions the teachings of those men, you might as well have challenged God Himself and such people are labeled immoral and stupid by Calvinists despite the fact that none of those men wrote a single word of Holy Scripture. As Bible believers, the Bible should be our sole authority, not man-written theologies that attempt to re-package God's Word into a new system.
@faithonfireministries Please forgive me for my ignorance.......... BUT as a matter of interest, here are some questions: * What Westminster confession statement don't you agree with? *Calvanism was not mentioned in my first response. May I ask you, sir, why are you so against John Calvin? * Do you really associate Calvanism as a cult like with Mormonism? One more question, Brian, as believers..... * Do you think we should fear God?
You say that you are not opposed to confessions of faith, but argue that they should not be our sole rule of authority. So do you do what the PCA does, and require your pastors to adhere to the church's confession of faith, or what the UMC does, in which you allow your pastors simply to ignore the church's confession of faith? (I myself am not a formal member of any church, because I can almost always find something somewhere in the church's doctrinal statement that rests on a very weak exegetical foundation.)
There is a huge difference between denominational confessionals or church statements of faith that may differ over secondary issues but still agree on the core essentials of Christian faith and a Calvinist confessional that is purely heretical and blasphemous against the character of God and perverts the Gospel of Christ into a false gospel. In all cases, Scripture should be our sole authority by which we judge the legitimacy of any extra-biblical faith statements or confessionals, creeds, etc. But you certainly did hit on a problem area that is difficult to navigate for pastors, but easy for us who sit in the pews (though fewer and fewer churches have pews anymore). Many pastors are stuck towing the company line so to speak, even if they may personally not agree with it all, just out of fear of losing their job and not be able to put food on the table for their own family.
@@faithonfireministries I was also going to mention that the "ordo salutis" is taken from Rom. 8:28-30. And why do "all things work together for good to those who love God"? Well, read the text and find out!
I'm familiar with that as it is taught in Reformed Theology and also is known as the "golden chain of redemption" from this passage. Unfortunately, that is just systemizing the Bible by isolating a text and ignoring all the others that clearly give it context. Other verses state how we are saved and the order, which is faith before regeneration, such as in Romans 1: 16 and the spiritual blessings are what are predestined to each and every person who is saved as in Ephesians 1 and here in Romans 8 indicates. Calvinism is so inconsistent. They love this passage to try to suggest God chooses those he foreknows as the elect but that is more like Arminianism and the Calvinist confessionals actually says that nothing God foresees has anything to do with whom He unconditionally elected.
@@faithonfireministries I would be very careful about accusing Calvin of "just systemizing the Bible by isolating a text and ignoring all the others that clearly give it context." Calvin was a leading Reformer, and a gifted Bible scholar who wrote commentaries on most of the books of the Bible. He also was an expository preacher. I would never believe anything just because Calvin taught it, but my experience down through the years is that he was a far better theologian than most of his critics who rely on human logic to explain away all the passages that talk about predestination and election. I think that a lot of people have the mistaken notion that regeneration is something that happens instantaneously, which then raises the question of sequence. Do we believe first and then are regenerated later, or are we regenerated first and then are regenerated? I think that the Bible uses the term "new birth" to describe the whole process by which the Holy Spirit convicts a lost sinner, grants him repentance and faith, and then makes him a new creature in Christ Jesus. But according to the Bible, it is God who chooses, and God who makes alive.
Twice in this video I said I am not against confessionals or creeds. The point I made is that they should NOT be our sole authority and the lens through which we interpret Scripture. It should be the other way around! It is through Scripture that we should judge the legitimacy of any confessionals, statements of faith, creeds, denominational traditions, theological doctrines, etc. Reading Scripture is how we personally learn Biblical doctrines rather than the doctrines of man in theology books. Also, keep in mind that while denominations differ on some secondary issues and practices, it is Calvinism that more than most others is a total affront to Scriptural truth, includes pagan ideologies and is blasphemous towards God and changes the Gospel into a false gospel.
Keep exposing the lies of Calvinism brother. They almost got me a year or so ago but something didn't feel right. It's because of people like you, people who point out it's flaws and inconsistencies that I was able to know the truth. Thank you brother
Glory to God you didn't get sucked into that. God bless you!
@@faithonfireministries may God bless you and your ministry
I used to listen to Matthew Everhard when I attended a reformed church. We recently left that church and go to a Baptist (not reformed baptist but Texas Baptist) church. Truth be told, my wife and I are still very angry after being attending a Calvinistic church for four years but we were not told the church was reformed until almost four years later. In all of the church’s beliefs on the website, it never stated it was reformed. We love the Baptist church we’re going to now as it’s solid Bible teaching.
Beyond the Fundamental youTube Kevin Thompson has several videos on stealth Calvinism. Soteriology101 RUclips also has teachings on how to defend Biblical Christianity against Calvinism. God Bless
Not being mean but how did you not know after sitting through one or two sermons that it was reformed? That is typically a very easy thing to tell from a reformed church. Just interesting.
Reformers like to sneak it in. I'm seeing it happen at my church first hand. The crazy part is my pastor doesn't even know he's a calvinist but he loves everything from John Piper, Matt Chandler, RC Sproll, John Mcarthur and Tim Keller.
I mean, he has been the pastor of two Presbyterian churches in the last 15 years or so. Presbyterian churches are Reformed/ Calvinist.
@@salvadaXgracia I was referring to the church the OP attended for four years and didn’t realize it was Calvinist. Obviously Matthew is Calvinist but I wasn’t talking about him.
Couldn’t agree more! I am A Baptist pastor. (NOT REFORMED)
Jesus chose us on the cross. All of us. He awaits our choice of Him. Praise God
Is the future on hold until you make the choice to accept or reject God?
So, God is subservient to your choice?
What happens if you fall in and out of your choices?
Does God have to keep changing his plans for you and the world around you?
As God is sinless, immortal, and the Creator and you are sinful, mortal and the created, how does that work?
How do you square your belief with God's sovereignty, holiness, justice and orderliness?
@ryleighloughty3307 are these legit questions or just trying to make "gotcha" questions?
These are easily answered under a non-reformed perspective because many of these questions arise due to reformed/determinist assumptions/worldview.
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If God is absolutely sovereign, logical and orderly, which he is, then he knows every detail about the future, including who is saved and who is not.
The free will decisions that we make in our mortal life always align with God's divine will.
This, in essence, is what Calvinism is all about, providing us with a clear understanding of God's sovereignty and our free will.
@ryleighloughty3307 I see what is going on here, you are using a modified definition of sovereignty. Rather than the actual definition of "the right and ability to rule" you seem to think sovereignty to mean absolute dictation/ruling of everything, declaring all events to occur, aka, determinism.
God is totally sovereign, he has the sole right and sole ability to rule over his creation. He calls the shots. The difference being under Calvinism, God has called all the shots already and decreed all that happens. Under the traditional (and in my estimation from copious study) sense, God arbitrates events to align with His design and ultimate purpose, but does not cause all events to occur. A term typically used would be Divine Dynamic Omniscience. Where God absolutely knows alll things, past present and future. Knowing something, however, does not follow that the event is made to occur by such knowledge.
Example:
I see my daughter or son staring at and reaching up to the cookie jar on the counter.
I "forsee" a few scenarios of failure, success, and avenues to those ends. Does knowledge of future events make any of them unfold? No. That is absurd. The amount of power over the event has no bearing on this idea either as "knowledge of" does not ever equate to causation.
A king which has laid laws down as absolute, and dictates the punishment and rewards, does not cause people to disobey or obey. Look at Deut 29 and 30. The structure for blessing and cursing is laid out and set for people to choose. With exacting detail, we see each blessing and punishment laid out and enacted as the people chose to do. God no more made those people obey or disobey as He does in making a person choose him or not, on the whole. The only exception i see in scripture is choosing the disciples. (Rom 1, col 1, gal 1, eph 1, 1thess 1, 2 thess 1 all show pauls usage of god choosing the disciples and not others, as others come to god after hearing and believing).
Your second point "the freewill decisions..."
Can you show this to be true? How do you know everything anyone does always aligns with God's will?
How can that square with Jer 19:5 where God explicitly states they did something He did not command nor decree nor did He even think of it?
Hey Brian, always appreciate your clear exposure of the psychobabble of the Calvinism clan. I love the Calvinists, just can't stomach their "We have the corner on Christianity" twisted view of scripture. Jesus does not love everyone, did not die for everyone, and does not want everyone to be saved. Oh yeah, God gives you have the freedom to choose anything in life (like vanilla or chocolate ice cream), but the only thing you can't choose is where you will spend eternity. I can hear a Calvinist saying right now that "he doesn't understand Calvinism."
I can only take small doses at a time looking into their psychobabble theology, so I really appreciate your strength and stamina in having to endure walking in their "connect the dots" theology with long bearded guys who wear funny hats so that you can educate others on their stealthy infiltration that is happening within the church. It simply is a completely DIFFERENT GOSPEL. Again, I love these people, but their view of God is a real head scratcher.
Yep, indeed. Well said.
Your attitude is a head scratcher. If you loved them, you would know their history.
The Baptists are a subset of Calvinistic history, coming from the English Reformation branch. Knox takes Calvinism back to the British Isles, not only Knox, but mainly. Through many twists and turns culminating in the Civil War, Cromwell, a Puritan comes to power and the crown is completely destroyed for a time. Power is placed in Parliament, true representative republican government. (not really) But a big deal. This value is strong in the Baptist tradition. However by the time of James, who was raised Presbyterian (Scottish Calvinistic branch), the Church of England is roughly split between traditionalists and Calvinistic Puritans. James is not a fan of Puritans, but includes them as half of his translation committee for his bible project. He wants uniformity in the Church of England. He is truly reformist minded, however his great desire is a union of Catholic Spain and Protestant England, as could have existed if Henry VIII never divorced Catherine of Aragon. Wait, no it couldn't! There would have been no split with Rome. Anyway, James. During his reign we see the rise of the Baptists. They are not generally happy in England, though whether they suffered any real persecution Idk. They seem to have spent time in Holland. Maybe they pick up believers' baptism there from Anabaptists. All this happens the same time as our Pilgrims, who were Calvinist but not Baptist. The first Baptist of note in the New World is Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island.
Calvinists persist in the New World in two main branches, the English and the Scottish, the Congregationalists and the Presbyterians. Baptists, because of very strong congregationalist leaning, were free to take up or put down Calvinist theories, according to the temperament and conviction of the pastor. This strange set of affairs continues to this day.
Fun! Please get up to speed on the tradition as well as the theology, as they are intertwined.
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It's my favorite channel on RUclips called "Calvinism on fire", lol 😆 😄 .
Yup. A Calvinist told me, he and his church, look for new Christians who think they just believed the Gospel and were saved, and shows them from Scripture how wrong they are.
Other cults like Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses do the same thing. Just the same, they have their own special statements of faith, resources, and written materials that they try to get into the hands of Christians to persuade them that their specific distinct theology is the true way, superior to all others.
So, from sample of one, you judge all Calvinists?
No. I never said that. I said quite the opposite twice in this video in fact. Many Calvinists were first Christians who believed the true Gospel and are saved. Their indoctrination and continuation in attending Calvinist churches in no way validates the unbiblical doctrines of Calvinism or its systematic religion or its teaching strategies that mirror that of other false cults.
@DrGazza What excites the Calvinist is not the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ. What excites Calvinists is Calvinism. They want to spread Calvinism as far and wide as possible, and non Calvinist Christians are their target.
@@faithonfireministries it’s this sort of nonsense that I am confronting. Where do you come off declaring reformed denominations cults? Who do you think you are? The pope of the “no creed but Christ” denomination?
Anyone just reading the Bible with the leading of the Lord would never come to the conclusion of any of these systematic theologys,im happy and content being a 66 point Christian.
Amen! No book but the Bible, no creed but Christ! Systematic theology subjugates divinely inspired Scripture to uninspired, man-made philosophical interpretation, often grounded in pagan Greek philosophy that started with false assumptions about the divine.
I read your comment before watching the video. It makes sense now! And I can say: me too!
Yeah, where did you get the idea that repeated digits of 6 was a good thing?
Love that!❤
@@kforsythe What, you people! The deleting of the Apocrypha leading to the 66 numbered books in Protestant Bibles happened after the systematic theologians did their thing, and was part of their very agenda. Shameless ignorance of the facts is not the same as faith in the word of God.
This is why I do not read books other than The Bible. I grew up Pentecostal Church of God and I still "fact check" them. Sadly new Christians can easily fall for these mistruths.While some offer these books as " study guides" where they are mostly geared to get you to join their organization . Read,Read,Read only The Bible.
This is just silly. How did you learn to read?
@@jwatson181you learn to read in school. Then as an adult Christian, you can choose what to read. As he said, read only the Bible. The Christian bookstore is dangerous for new Christians.
Yet bible has man made doctrines written by men for men. We are to check the word of God not of mem
Amen!
Forget, forget, forget that comment. Damn RUclips temptation. I'm going to read, read, read only the Bible.
I remember listening to a minister once speak and in the natural it sounded religious but in the spirit realm you could hear him saying, "We are the good guys who suffer, God is the bad guy." This age old tactic was in the garden of Eden when Satan tried to tell Adam and Eve that God was the bad guy and blame God for evil and not Satan. God saying no was for protection but the devil twisted it into "God blaming".. Calvinism teaches (essentially) that God is to blame for everything because He is so powerful (false glory in order to blame God) and that He decreed it all. RC Spool once said that if God wanted to save somebody and couldn't do it He would be a weak God. No RC, God is a loving God and refuses to override man's will and He's the one that chose to give man free choice so love could exist and be real, not fake. It is His love to give free will and that is more important than His power to dominate & micromanage.
"Perseverance of the saints": an idea that works as long as you do🤷♂
More like the “confusion of the aint’s”
Good one 😂
Calvinism is totally non-sensical:
God picks the saved from eternity past.
But
They still need to believe in Jesus though.
But
They can’t believe in Jesus because they’re totally depraved.
So
God grants them the belief they need to believe in Jesus, AND MAKES THEM BELIEVE at some point, even though He picked them to be saved from eternity past?
Ummm?
Calvinisim literally takes away completely, man’s responsibility to humble himself, believe, repent and come to Christ.
It takes what God told us to do which is believe, and labels it a selfish work.
Ooooh. I'm going to steal your last sentence! Piercing truth!
Such contradictions are par for the course for individuals who supposedly believe that God decreed every single thing that ever comes to pass, then show up on channels like this one to whine about what God decreed non-Calvinists to believe and say about Calvinism. Calvinists treat logical consistency as if it were a foul odor...
Not seeing many scripture references here. Are you sure your beliefs are based on the bible?
Respectfully, you do not understand Calvinism.
I urge you to study it fully to come to the realization that it is scriptural and logical.
Have a blessed day.
@@ryleighloughty3307says every Calvinist.. No one understands calvinism but Calvinists... A gnostic cult
If the Catholic Church wanted to canonize me as a saint, I would question my salvation.
If I prayed to you and got a miracle, I would keep it.
@@duncescotus2342The devil can also do miracles. Ever heard of Jannes and Jambres? 2 Timothy 3:8? Ever hear of the Antichrist and False Prophet? They also will work miracles, according to 2 Thessalonians 2:9 , Revelation 13:14 and 16:14. I am not to believe every spirit, regardingless, per 1 John 4:1.
I used to go to a Baptist church that was Calvinist. The majority of the congregants were young seminary students. They didn’t seem to associate with non-seminarians.
Calvinism is religion based upon pride and a person's credentials from Calvinist led institutions and of course you must have a library of books from dead Calvinists they hold up high on a pedestal and idolize as superior theologians they can appeal to rather than to Scripture.
@@faithonfireministries Yes, I have experienced everything you mentioned. I had to flee away from all of it.
Thanx for the wisdom brother! Everything you wrote just reaffirmed what God had already placed on my heart. I’m going to have to attend there for a few months to really feel it out. I’m gonna be quiet n watch even though it’s so hard to listen to bad doctrine being taught. From there I’ll pray about it a make a decision. Thanx again and I’ll keep you posted.
In Christ,
Ronny
I’m disgusted that so many Crossway ESV study bibles have TULIP theology in the commentary
I stay with the King James.
That's because the ESV was translated by Calvinists! As was tge NIV,( Edwin Palmer,ect)
Why? Calvinism is bible-rooted.
@@ryleighloughty3307 In Opposite World.
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What do you mean?
This guy looks like a descendant of Calvin himself 😆
he looks like baphomet with that goatee and those ears
I thought he looked like King Henri IV "why the long face?" of France, who incidentally grew up as a Calvinist but immediately converted to Roman Catholicism when offered the French crown. He supposedly said "Paris is well worth a Mass".
@@DamonNomad82😮😂
I don't know why Calvinists get angry with you, it's obvious that you are predestined to lead people as far away from false teachings as possible.
If you were wrong, there would be no debate about it, there would be No debate about it.
Exactly! I caught the reference to JP. Nice one, no doubt about it!
Calvinism is essentially Roman catholicism with less bells and whistles... and significantly more deceptive...
Well said! My wife and I left a Calvinistic church after four years but we were never told until almost four years that it was Reformed/Calvinistic. Talk about deception!
Don't calvanists stress grace as opposed to the works approach of Catholicism?
@kiwisaram9373 They stress grace, then once your in, they backload works, claiming works prove one is of the saved elect.
Grace well unless you're a baby. Then you're a viper in a diaper.
Catholics are at least honest with what they believe. I listen to catholic radio and it is very good. Listening to all the calvinists that flood the Christian radio station usually makes me sick.
Once saved always saved. I absolutely believe it
Can someone explain this to me from a non-calvinist point? For example, theres a lady on youtube that used to be a christian but has now devoded her entire being to debunking christianity and proving that jesus was just a normal human and the bible is false. Does once saved always saved mean that she would still go to heaven?
making Salvation a process is blasphemy against the LORD. They're making God a Liar.
The Westminster Confession of Faith is so much like the Catholic Catechism, not the inspired word of God and is from the carnally minded unlearned that twist the word of God to their own destruction. If born again, a man would have to be stronger than God to break the seal of God, the Holy Spirit the Father and Jesus are one. Another very good video.
Calvinism has been the wost nightmare I've had since the first time I heard about it. Seriously.🙁
Great expose' Brian. It (Calvinism) is another gospel. Ex-Calvinists have called it cult-like. They only want you reading & listening to Calvinistic material. Personally, I see a spiritual component at work. We see in scripture that "Believers" can succumb to lying seducing spirits & a spirit of error, every wind of doctrine. Well, some Calvinists may be saved by God's grace & them responding to a true gospel message. But: Only a pre-selected special favored elect few will irresistibly turn to Christ & all others CAN'T... that's another gospel??
Calvinism has deceived multitudes and so similar to the behaviors of other cults such as JW's and Mormons. Just ask anyone who has escaped from a Calvinist church. More than likely, you are looked at as either being lost or are shunned. They are a dangerous church and lots of similar traits of a typical cult.
I don't think guys like this Calvinist are even aware that they are using bait-and-switch. They are just 100% convinced that the Westminster Confession of Faith is the purest encapsulation of the truths of the Bible. Most of the Calvinists I know love Jesus and are serious about their faith, but are completely unaware of how philosophically-driven Calvinism is - Manichaeism, neo-Platonism, and Stoicism rolled together with a bunch of Bible verses pulled out of context and packaged as biblical truth. I am glad to see channels like this exposing Calvinism for the unbiblical tripe that it is.
Yes, I totally agree with you. It is very likely this pastor Everhard sincerely believes what he teaches. Unfortunately, whether a person is willfully deceiving others, or is deceived themselves and simply teaching the same stuff, it still has the same end result of leading people astray.
Thanks for the insightful comment. God bless you!
Dear brother with all due respect you are still a one point Calvinist. The reason that the devil came up with tulip was to lead unsuspecting Christians to believe in the P of tulip. The first 4 points of tulip are theoretical. The "P" has more to do with our practical responsibilities, that is, to persevere. Scriptures do not teach once saved always saved (OSAS). The scriptures teach, "he that endureth unto the end shall be saved."
Jesus didn't believe in OSAS. Notice the context of this belief is in reference to salvation. A Christian can believe for a while and then fall away.
Luke 8:12-13, 15 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they SHOULD BELIEVE AND BE SAVED.
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, WHICH FOR A WHILE BELIEVE, and in time of temptation FALL AWAY.
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, KEEP IT, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Also, (pay attention to verse 6):
John 15:1-6 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
James didn't believe in OSAS.:
James 5:19-20 BRETHREN, IF ANY OF YOU do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way SHALL SAVE A SOUL FROM DEATH, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Peter didn't believe in OSAS:
2 Peter 3:16-17 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
YE THEREFORE, BELOVED, seeing ye know these things before, BEWARE LEST YE ALSO, BEING LED AWAY WITH THE ERROR of the wicked, FALL FROM YOUR OWN STEADFASTNESS.
Paul didn't believe in OSAS:
Hebrews 6:4-6 For IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
IF THEY SHALL FALL away, TO RENEW THEM again UNTO REPENTANCE; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
The Holy Spirit is the seal, but the Spirit can depart from apostate Christians. Saul is proof:
1 Samuel 10:6-7 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee.
1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
OSAS is not the same as POTS despite many people who don't understand the differences claiming they are the same. The foundational beliefs are so different between who can be saved in the first place for a Bible believer vs a Calvinist.
@@faithonfireministries That doesn't really answer the question as to whether or not a believer can apostatize. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who is falling away and how does one fall away from what they don't possess?
I've watched that guy's videos before, but not for his doctrine. I liked the way he explained a Bible note-taking system that Jonathan Edwards came up with. He also uses symbols to mark the Bible, but with Calvinistic themes.
I kind of started my own, but with true Biblical themes, like salvation, service, God's discipline, consequences for disobeying, the unsaved, the reprobate, etc.
It is the Islamic Allah that decrees all sin and evil including the anount of adultery a Muslim can commit, not YHWH.
I believe Calvinists brilliantly target new believers. Somehow the Reform/Calvinist social media “certainty” seems to bring great comfort to the new believer and they just latch on enthusiastically
Thank you! Love the video. Yes, the antidote to any false teaching is the precious, true Word of God. Read your Bible! Know your Bible!
That book is helping Calvinists do what Jesus rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for doing in Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves." Calvinists learned long ago that preaching Calvin to unbelievers doesn't produce very many new Calvinists, as the self-refuting teachings of Calvinism promoting its pagan deity/devil hybrid "god", "Zeucifer", is rightfully repulsive to everyone not indoctrinated into it. Instead, they "preach like an Arminian and teach like a Calvinist", as one of their own idols (Spurgeon, I think) put it. Thus they insincerely preach the actual John 3:16 Biblical Gospel to unbelievers, which has a much higher success rate than honestly preaching what they actually believe. The new believer naturally looks up to the one who preached the Gospel to them as a spiritual mentor, which Calvinists then take advantage of by proceeding to indoctrinate the new convert into Calvinism. In more recent years, some Calvinists of the "work smarter, not harder" mindset have discovered that they can cut their conversion efforts in half by infiltrating non-Calvinist churches and gradually taking them over in a parasitic fashion. The intro to the book shows that this is what it was designed to promote.
Thank you Lord for answering my prayers and guarding my mind, for not allowing me to get sucked into this accursed cultic heresy of calvinism so that I wouldn't be led astray by the wolves in sheep's clothing.
The body of Cgrist needs more of brothers like you Brian! The Bible was not even written in service to systemization and these guys wouldnt knowbthe Holy Spirit if He were walking down the street wearing a red hat.
Yes! Do you know about Soteriology 101 RUclips Leighton Flowers also using the Bible to prove Calvinism unbiblical?
Everhard may be advocating for himself the seat that was forcibly vaccated by Begg via "kicked out" by the likes of Mac Author, Piper, Baucham, Washer, Mohler, Buice, etc.
Once saved always saved is Calvinism "light" as is once damned always damned .
Double predestination without the damned part.
Neither is biblical at all
Jesus does not force you to be saved or stay saved.
You do not lose the ability to reject God once you accept him, if you did, then your belief is forced, even if it's from God it would not be true belief.
People can and will fall away from the faith according to Jesus, we are warned not to commit apostasy because you can commit apostasy.
Once saved always saved, makes belief of the past equal permanent belief.
Instead of the biblical truth that current, not past belief determines if you are saved or not.
The Bible says those who are saved have been bought by the blood of Jesus. Scripture says He bought the Church with His blood. We as believers are owned by Jesus Christ, a perfect Master. Consider this verse on top of the others I have shared about OSAS. John 8 says, "34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." This "free" Jesus is speaking about is not freedom to leave the Master who bought and owns us, but means we were set free from being a slave of sin.
Therefore your comparison that "once damned always damned" is not true therefore "once saved always saved" is not true also may almost sound plausible, but that statement is in fact not Biblically accurate. In reality according to the Bible the first one is not true (ODAD) but the second one (OSAS) is true because a transfer has been made one time, a living soul that was damned and in darkness has now by the grace and power of God unto salvation made no longer damned or in darkness but brought into the light and given everlasting life. Nowhere in the Bible does it refer to living people as being in a state of eternal damnation, eternal condemnation or eternal darkness. The word eternal or everlasting is only applied to living souls who have been saved by grace through faith in Christ.
However, once a person dies there is judgement and the Bible does say those who die who were not saved do face eternal fire, eternal punishment, etc.
@@faithonfireministries Calvinism teaches people to take their eyes off the Savior's work, and put them on their own. If I thought for a minute my salvation rested a half percent on my own righteous works, I'd be in a panic.
@@faithonfireministries you forget only believers are saved that's current believers because they currently believed
Salvation is not based on past belief.
You are essentially saying you cannot commit apostasy.
.even though the Bible consistently warns against doing so.
You are essentially saying you cannot fall away from the faith, contradicting scripture.
You are essentially preaching Calvinism light which OSAS manmade doctrine is, by removing all of the Bibles responsibility for mankind to believe and continue to the end to be saved and putting the responsibility for belief in God by man, on God, which is essentially not free will belief, because it's forced belief.
God does not want past belief or belief that he forces you to have which is "Calvinism God Decrees All Things light"
That's essentially a false belief.
Making God responsible for your continued belief in him, and you are not responsible for anything... This leads to hyper Grace sin freely free grace Luke warm worldly Christians at best and at worst, I never knew you Christians, who simply said they believe once to a sermon out of fear tradition upbringing, but never really believed but since the pastor said they were saved even though they have no fruit nothing's new nothing's changed they are not born again, they hear you and others say they are, no need to worry or work out their own salvation and examine themselves.
OSAS is a false recent manmade doctrine from Calvinism that is giving many false assurances to rebel against God even become atheist or to worship other Gods and tells them you are still saved, because you once believed, not because you currently believe .
It simply moves saved before the foundation of the world to when you were saved, and then adds the p from tulip meaning God is responsible for your faith to continue not you.
And as usual if you don't come back to the faith, OSAS forces people to judge you as never being saved in the first place, because they consider their doctrine above the word of God to such a degree that it can judge the heart and someone's salvation status better than Jesus.
This is what happens when you elevate a recent man made doctrine, above the word of God, instead of the other way around, even with good intentions we should not put doctrines like this higher than the word of God, it is very dangerous as only Jesus knows the heart.
.and we are not saved based on past belief in Jesus Christ
We are saved by God's grace, through current belief in Jesus, not osas, not the p in tulip, not being elected for salvation before we were born, neither are we damned by Calvinism once damned always damned by being passed over and unable to have faith.
The Bible clearly shows John 3 16 current belief is needed not past belief, and one can indeed fall away from the faith and commit apostasy, that's why it continually warns us against doing so, otherwise all of those scriptures are meaningless.
Don't weld yourself to a doctrine because of the traditions of men, it or it sounds or feels good, Instead weld yourself to the word of God with current belief in Jesus, not past belief.
Your assurance of salvation is truly believing in the son of God... Right NOW, not past belief in the son of God . It's the not I used to believe in Jesus Christ, but now I don't, or I once said the sinners pray because the preacher preached about hell, but there was no conviction or change or fruit and my faith was reactionary and dead, but the pastor said I'm saved forever and cannot fall away, cannot commit apostasy, not the Bible but instead OSAS doctrine says I'm saved even though I'm an atheist now, or Muslim now, and even if I actively deny Christ now, he cannot deny me because of this doctrine even though that contradicts the Bible.
.current belief is needed for salvation by Gods grace working through faith.
Now dont get me wrong, believers sin, backslide doubt temporarily fall away because of trauma death if a live one bills stress relationships,, bad teaching etc as they are being sanctified, but they still believe in their heart, the holy Spirit still convicts, and God chastises them to repent and be restored to their first love.
.however if they willingly get to a point of true apostasy where they believe no more, and are actively working for the enemy, they are not saved anymore, their candlestick is out and the cross is if no effect to them, until they repent and believe again and are restored to the faith, we are seeing this more and more as former believers are falling away from the faith in droves in these last days as Jesus said would happen.
Are you prepared to judge all of them salvation as never being saved in the first place, as Calvinism and OSAS doctrine requires you to do
Or will you leave that up to Jesus and not a recent manmade doctrine that has people thinking the apostles went around saying once saved always saved, no need for continued belief, just one second then anything goes? "sarcasm"
Do you currently truly believe in Jesus?
Is Jesus Christ your lord and Savior are you not ashamed of him or his life teaching death burial and resurrection that paid the price of your sin?
OSAS says if you used to believe in Jesus, then you still do, even if you Don't, because God vis now responsible for your continued belief, not you?
That's ridiculous insanity.
Although well meaning, and feel good, made not to hurt feelings and to keep that churches denomination full, and increase the possibility those that fall away will come back to that church because of that doctrine .
If that's your current belief, not your past belief than you are saved..Amen
God bless.
Great video,keep exposing the deceptive tactics of this demonic doctrine of Calvinism .👍💪🙏
You bet! Thanks very much for the encouraging word. God bless you!
THANKYOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION!!!
The WCF has 32 chapters more than it needs. The only chapter necessary for it is Chapter 11, as it is entirely bankrupt...
Great video!!! Thanks! It’s weird that I ran across this video… I watched a video from the pastor that you’re covering the other day. I forget what topic it was on, but the fact that I came across this I feel was God’s telling me don’t listen to this guy anymore.!! God bless you, brother!!
33 = 33rd degree Free Mason
Tinfoil hat
@@BloodBoughtMinistries it's a joke.
But you would be surprised at how many pastors who are freemasons
@Faith On Fire I agree with everything you said, and your videos in general. Calvinism is huge threat to christianity and we need more voices of Bible based truth to fight false doctrines! Congrats on your work! HOWEVER :) I want to challenge one of your views. OSAS is not, in my view, biblical, here's why: Firstly, you cannot separate OT theology from NT theology, they are intertwined, the NT ecos and confirms the promises of the OT. Let me ask you this then, do you think Baal worshipers will be in heaven? As you probably know from your OT, they won't. Israelites had God's oracles, a covenant with God, and prophets who were a direct link, but salvation came through faith AND permanent belief and loyalty until the end. Those who apostatized, through their own will, were condemned to hell (Jer 44:1-30) - note how in v. 25 Jeremiah makes it clear that apostasy is the diaspora in Egypt's choice, it's made with clear conscious and recognition of their own actions. They had adopted syncretic features of Egyptian religious practices external to God's design and laws and integrated that into a new form of Judaism (sound familiar?). God made it clear that they would lose their lives and their salvation (the whole book of Jeremiah makes it clear what happens to idolaters). I mean, the vast majority of Israelites apostatized, and guess what, most had been saved once, but you can be sure they won't be with us in eternity. God will NOT have Baal worshipers enter the kingdom, He demands loyalty. Look at the covenants with Abraham and the Patriarchs, and with Moses, they are bilateral. They require loyalty. God makes it clear he is zealous, He does not accept idolatry. So from the OT it's clear that there is no such thing as OSAS. What about the NT? So secondly, the NT does not change the nature of God. The fact that we are sealed by the spirit doesn't mean what you think, it doesn't mean that we are magically unable to reject God or resist the Spirit, that would go against the whole point of giving us free will to begin with. Being sealed by the spirit doesn't mean you now have a ticket or life insurance to believe what you want or to believe in no God! The Ghospel is not a spell that you cast or an incantation that you speak and boom, you are saved forever. If you read the text through the eyes of the authors you will understand that "Seal" refers to "Identity", authentication, not to our modern understanding of seal as something that can't be broken, that's an incorrect interpretation from you my brother. Just like "works" identify and authenticate a Christian, but have nothing to do with salvation, so is our seal of the Spirit, it is a mark that identifies our characteristics, it does not take away the sin of unbelief or the sin of apostasy if we fall into those after being saved. I hope this helps you give it some thought, but you can be sure that God won't have Baal worshipers, OR syncretic Christians, enter His kingdom, He will not be made a fool of, and He is Zealous and a "jealous" God. Sincerely hoping this is edifying :)
Michael Heiser called it Believing Loyalty. If you reject what you once believed and professed then your salvation is at risk or lost. I am aware of many Christian's friends who have rejected God entirely. Clearly, John in his epistles indicates that someone who truly believes and is in dwelt by the Spirit of God should not "fall" and should be able to continue in the faith. However, I am aware of many Christians who truly believed but had terrible times with alcohol (for instance), that they "backslid" in their behaviour but they never rejected God when they were struggling and when they made a recommitment it was with tears and trembling. I could see their heart but I could also see their struggles. However, those who have truly rejected the faith and become apostate, then I suspect that they are lost. To say OSAS is true, it makes a mockery of Jesus' parable of the sower. Ultimately God knows the heart of each person, but I'm with you. Someone who once professed the faith and has then rejected it is just like a Baal worshiper. Whilst I would expect that someone who is truly in dwelt by the Spirit should persevere, however, the concept of Perseverance of the Saints as in Calvinism is abhorrent.
Did you see my recent video called "The Hidden Parable of Moses"? I think that may answer your question as to what the difference is between OT Saints and NT Saints in relation to OSAS. Here it is: ruclips.net/video/O-aZV-3oBK8/видео.html Keep in mind that John 1: 17 says this, "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." This is an important distinction.
@@faithonfireministries Thanks for sharing, I watched the full 17 mins so I must ask you a favor brother, will you please read this long reply with patience and care also? :) It’s just that there’s no way for me to give you a short reply to what is a complicated matter.
1. Does the text support your thesis on why Moses did not enter the land? It doesn’t. You suppose that God’s punishment for Moses' transgression would be excessive if not to tell us a parable. One cannot judge oneself morally superior to God, which is what you would be doing if you speculate on whether God’s punishment was excessive or not. The text is clear on why Moses didn’t enter the land, from God’s own words, as you shared in the video. So textually, you have no ground for your thesis, I’m afraid, beyond speculation based on loose texts, which you are forcing to contradict God’s own words. 2. Moses was a mediator, the law was effectively given by God and His council of elohim (Gal.3:19). Moses was *entrusted* to bring it down to the people (preferably without breaking the tablets XD ), but he didn’t create the law, as u know. So that’s another flawed argument. Again, the text is very clear as to why Moses didn’t enter the p land. As for OSAS, I got the feeling you paid no mind to my original arguments, & if so, let me give you a more detailed explanation (thank u for your patience bud!): Firstly let me just say that I wholly agree that works don’t get anyone saved, salvation cannot be merited, and you can’t lose salvation because of poor performance, that’s not the issue, we both agree on that. My focal point is that precisely because salvation cannot be merited you are expected to be loyal to God in your belief *till the end*. It’s by faith alone that we are saved, but it’s not faith at a certain point in time and then it’s not important anymore, it’s faith *till the end* (assuming you are mentally able of course). This is supported in the text in Heb. 5 and 6. In short, the only thing that can affect your standing before God is if you reject the gospel. That means rejecting THE REAL gospel. If you decide to believe that the gospel means something that it doesn’t mean, if you redefine it, or alter it in some way, where Christ’s death and resurrection mean something else, or that salvation comes through some any other means, you are REJECTING the real gospel, willingly. This includes calvinists, adventists, catholics, JWs, and ANY so-called believer that is willingly, consciously, rejecting Christ’s gospel. That is apostasy, and that leads to condemnation because (like the example I gave previously in Jeremiah), it’s a conscious decision to reject God other than in one’s own terms. You have said in your videos that someone once saved who then becomes a calvinist will still be saved because he is “sealed” by the spirit. This is not supported by the Bible. Quite the contrary. As I explained (maybe you didn’t read it) “seal” there in greek is sphragizó, which refers to the verb “to seal”, as in, to authenticate, to validate, it gives evidence of who you belong to. It’s not meant as an adjective, as if we’re sealed forever with an unbroken seal, it’s a continuing characteristic that gives evidence of who you are and who you belong to, just like works. It has nothing to do with salvation. Your wedding ring is a seal that shows the world you are married, but it doesn’t mean your wedding can’t be ended if you do something to end it. Same with works, if you are married you are expected to do certain things for your wife as evidence of your love. If you say you love your wife but you cheat on her, spend all your money on booze or gambling and then don’t have money to buy clothes for your kids, etc, then your words “i love you” are pretty hollow & meaningless. Our relationship with God when it comes to works is similar, they evidence our true love for Him, and because we are *grateful*, we try to stay away from sin and look to doing good. But works or being sealed have *nothing* to do with salvation. Hope that clears it on what “sealed” means. Still on OSAS, trading the true gospel for a false gospel is apostasy, it’s a rejection of God, a rejection of the Truth, which is Jesus. That’s the ONLY way to change your status before God. Want salvation? You have to believe in the Truth. Believe in anything? NO, believe in the gospel of Christ as per the NT, understanding what it actually means, that is the truth, He is the Truth. Don’t believe that anymore? You are no longer saved. No one goes to God except through the Truth, Jesus. That means that if you don’t believe the gospel of christ, or choose to believe an altered version, you are not going to God. An altered version of the gospel is a lie, Jesus is not a lie, He is the Truth, which is why calvinists are doomed to hell, whether they once believed in the True gospel or not. I’ll ask you to pls read Heb. 6:4-20. The passage is not saying that someone who’s lost faith and left the gospel cannot be recovered (the greek adjc. for “impossible” there also means “powerless”), fatalistically doomed to hell, what it *actually* says is that if someone once knew the true gospel of faith goes back to believing a gospel of repentance by dead works, it’s going to be very difficult for them to return since they have effectively *apostatized*, they now believe in a false gospel willingly, after having known the true gospel and rejecting it. They are crucifying Jesus again holding Him up to contempt, that’s how serious this apostasy is, says the writer. They rejected the only Way to eternal life, and gone after a different gospel. The author is talking to jews (hebrews) who are contemplating going back to a works based system and he calls that a betrayal, an apostasy that will strip them of salvation, and it would be a mockery of the cross. If you wonder why it’s so difficult for a massive portion of calvinists to come out of that system, there’s a valuable perspective for you from this inspired writing. I know you might want to fixate on 2 Cor. 1:22 and Eph 1:13, etc, but note that that sort of deterministic view is not that different than calvinist’s misunderstanding of election (which is why I’m devoting all this time to writing this comment, because I do believe your work is important and is undermined by your hypocritical misunderstanding about OSAS). The seal is an identifier. It’s not about a spell that you cast and then you are saved forever, with a seal that guarantees this salvation even if you apostatize. Nope. A seal is there to identify you, it marks you, but it doesn’t merit salvation. That’s what calvinists say about election. They have been elected and therefore nothing can take salvation away from them. It’s the same misunderstanding of what these concepts mean. Just like works show you have faith, so does having the spirit of God within you, it identifies which team you belong to. Same with baptism, when you choose to be baptized you are declaring to the spiritual world that you don’t belong to the team of death, you belong to the team that defeated death, but the baptism doesn’t guarantee salvation, it’s a completely separate thing. Ancient Israelites were sealed, they were circumcised to show to whom they were aligned with, yet most of them apostatized and won’t be in heaven, they are condemned to hell. The seal that they had didn’t mean they were saved forever magically. Salvation requires one thing only, faith until the end. Not faith one day at 6 years old at summer camp (as in my case) and then boom I can stop believing or believe in a different gospel No, faith that is patient, enduring (again, Hebrews 6). And this perseverance is not imposed by the spirit, it’s a choice, contrary to what calvinists believe (and I guess you). Brother, if you don’t understand the separation of salvation from these other concepts in the Bible that identify us, then you too are a milk-drinker, sorry to sound harsh.
@Coreteks
I agree with your exposition, although the last sentence was a bit harsh.
Like you, I've been a believer since childhood, and done quite a bit of thinking on this subject. If Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith would not fail, and Paul thought he could be disqualified, then we can't be too smug about our salvation. On the other hand, there may be many believers whose hearts are right with God, but are being misled by poor teaching . I'm thankful that having 100% correct theology is not a condition for salvation, otherwise I don't think there would be any hope for us! I have come to the conclusion that humility and teachability are crucial; dare I say more important than 'correct' theology?
@@franroxburgh6055 Thanks for reading! I wish Brian would also. I may have been too harsh, I can accept that. I totally agree with you, and no man has the right or authority to tell another that he/she is saved or not saved out of his own accord just because that person doesn’t hold the theology he deems the correct one. Naaman and the widow of sarepta are used as examples of faith by Jesus and they didn’t possess the correct theology, or any theology at all. Which is why the jews at Nazareth wanted to murder Christ, He was telling them that faith was the only requirement for salvation, not their religious practices or keeping the law. However (there’s always a however :) Christ gave his disciples (including us) the authority to forgive sins or not (John 20:23), meaning, as a central vector to Jesus’s ministry was the notion of “repentance from sins”, and His sacrifice meant that by faith in Him our sins can truly be forgiven by God, it’s the only acceptable sacrifice. So this authority to forgive sins or not is precisely the authority to tell someone if they are saved or not, according to what the Word says, and with His authority. If we share the gospel and a person accepts Christ and believes, we have the authority to tell that person “your sins are forgiven”, even though we are not Christ. That’s what that passage means. But also to tell someone “your sins are not forgiven, because you reject Christ”. As per Heb. 6, if someone alters the gospel to make a concession to their own failings, it’s because they don’t yet understand the gospel, in fact, if they change the gospel they are rejecting Jesus. When a calvinist alters the gospel to read “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, *and is part of the elect* should not perish, but have everlasting life.” they are effectively rejecting Jesus, because they reject His gospel and choose another one. This is not just having the wrong theology, or being led astray, this is a rejection of the true gospel, a rejection of Christ, and a mockery of the cross (Heb. 6:6). As such, as true christians, we have the responsibility and the authority granted by our Savior to say that calvinists are indeed condemned, as per the Word of God, not per our own philosophy. It might sound harsh that calvinists almost had it, just for a few small details, and now they are condemned?! And many having being deceived?! Well, who are we to say what is too harsh or not if God has made it clear that Jesus is the only Way to salvation? Not a false Jesus, or an altered version that better fits our needs and wants, the Jesus of the Bible. We’re not morally superior to Him. And Jesus IS harsh, all the time, “(...) I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matt 7:23. This is because God is loving and wants His creation saved, so the warnings have to be clear and direct. Thanks again for your reply! God bless you brother!
love your vids which also helped me come out of Calvinism. like you said they got me when I was a baby Christian when I had no knowledge. But now I'm saved and know the truth.
If you are buying this guys stuff... then I highly doubt that. Sorry you have been deceived. May God renew a right spirit within you.
Check out Dr leighton
flowers as well. Awesome content when you want to wake up to calvinism. Research Calvin himself and what he did to servetus. 🕵️♂️
@@mikegreene9137 you mean calvanism lol. The whole thing is a cult
@@mikegreene9137conservative Calvinism doesn’t work
thanks brother i will download and print HOLD FAST THE FAITH !!!
And I'm always surprised when Calvanists evangelize. If God has elected who'll go to hell and heaven, why evangelize??
Let's all become 33rd degree... I mean 33 point Calvinists!
Great job, brother 👏 👍 🙌
I’m not a Calvinist but I think Matthew faithfully exposits the Bible in a verse by verse style in the sermons I’ve watched.
Then why does he identify himself as a 33 Point Calvinist (33 chapters of WCOF) rather than the Bible? All Calvinists say their favorite preachers faithfully exposit the Bible. No, they don't. Expositing the Word of God means to go line by line through the text and properly exegete the text, explaining the true meaning of it. If they did that, they would not be Calvinists to begin with.
@@faithonfireministries like I said. I am not a Calvinist. I’m not Presbyterian either. I’m a free will guy that loves the Bible and doesn’t adhere to a formal written confession. I’ve listened to Matthew exposit through books like Revelation and what I’ve heard is quite good. He’s repeated over and over on his channel that the Bible is the only scripture and is higher than his confession document. I think everyone should read the Bible and get their theology from those 66 books. But many are lazy and confessions do help them understand it. My hope and prayer is that confessions lead them to read the Bible more.
Another excellent vid! Thanks You!
This is another poor video that misses the points of Calvinism entirely.
We need to stop the niceties re: reformed/Calvinism theology and call it for what it is, demonic and straight from the pit of hell. Anyone deceived by these heresies need to repent and go back to the Word of God. The Lord said it plainly in John 16:13, "however, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come He will guide you into all truth....!!!" God did NOT SEND a MAN to guide and teach His Word, He sent His Holy Spirit. Again in 1 John 2:27, "...but as the same anointing (Holy Spirit) teaches you concerning ALL THINGS, and is true....."
This same evil doctrine has deceived too many people already and those of us who rely on The Holy Spirit for wisdom, insight and discernment need to call it out and disregard the 'accusations' of men and their judgement! It is God Almighty who will judge me, not a deceptive reformer who can't tell if God loves His World!!! This battle is growing in intensity and sadly, it is prophetic and will continue until the end comes!
Everhard is yet another calvinist false teacher.
33 degree freemason
They are acting just like Roman catholics.
Brother, luv the content, keep it coming!
Need ur advise; I’m retiring to the Philippines where there are no Christian Churches around except a reformed Baptist church. The people were very friendly and loving. I’m the kind of person that can’t keep their mouth shut and I will bring up their error at the right time. What should I do? Attend there and try to fix their doctrinal error or not attend anywhere at all n just have a weekly Home Bible study? I know community and accountability is very important! Your thought?
That is a tough one. How reformed are they? In some Reformed Baptist churches, they are like little cults of social club Cessationists who quench the Holy Spirit and spend an inordinate amount of time defending the doctrines of Calvinism and gaslighting anyone who doesn't agree with them. Such churches are usually loving and welcoming to their own and new people at first up until the point anyone points out that Scripture contradicts any aspect of their theology. Then it gets ugly.
However, a lot of Baptist churches have hints of "reformed theology" in their church statements of faith but they are far from it and preach the true Gospel of Christ, they are not ashamed to correctly say that Jesus Christ loves you and died for you to anyone and they believe that people must make a choice to believe in Him to receive the gift of God's grace through faith, not of works. They don't have to preach against Calvinism directly but I'd look for evidence that they in fact teach Biblical doctrines that when compared to the doctrines of Calvinism, end up refuting that reformed theological framework.
I'd go to that sort of Baptist church even if they seemingly have something slight Calvinistic sounding written into their church's faith statement on their website, probably for no other reason that it was copied from some other generally accepted Baptist statement of faith and nobody in that church has yet to catch the contradiction it has with Scripture. Such a church and their leadership generally encourages Bible discussions regarding sound Biblical doctrine, realizing iron sharpens iron.
You will want to stay clear of the first type of Reformed Baptist church that makes the doctrines of grace (5 points of Calvinism, TULIP) a big issue. Tell tale signs are that all their resources they share with people are from past or current big named Calvinists, and they adhere to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith which is just pure Calvinism. It is virtually identical to the Westminster Confession of Faith for Presbyterians.
In that case, you had a great idea to start a weekly home Bible study and pray the Lord sends you a pastor to lead and eventually start up a new church. It sounds like that place could use a second church anyway! Perhaps that is one of the reasons God has you there.
The first turn-off with Matthew Everhard is his constant "Appeal to authority" and "Appeal to education" fallacies he promotes. He often speaks of his education as a qualifier to speak on subjects that a layman can read and understand. It is like saying I am a master clock maker so only I can tell the time correctly. I don't think he understands that right off the bat it comes off as pretentious and pompous. I never got as far as you did listening to him.
It’s called being puffed up.
Guy is a narcissist.
James White has a similar proud and arrogant bombastic character and presentation.
I guess now you know what you can sell. 66 point Christian t-shirts
Hi Brian! Really enjoy this channel. I wanted to share this with you as it's so important and I feel, timely, as per your channel and your stand on the John Calvin teachings. So...about an hour ago, I was on Voddie Bacham's thread. He put up a post regarding women being silent in the church....you know the one. So I started a conversation with a woman who took issue (as do I), with the post. The Scripture is 1 Tim. 2:12...you know the one. So check this out. I posted my position (with biblical verses), using precept upon precept and of course keeping 'context' in mind with the inclusion of overview of chapter/book etc. I used the said verses stating that the Scripture was speaking to the culture of the day and not referring to Mosaic Law. People took issue with my view and a few others who agreed.The overall position was in agreement with Voddie Bacham's post but I said that it wasn't about marriage and instead about the conduct of those particular women in that church. That it was Roman law and the women were being loud/unruly etc. Paul was admonishing them to get it together and start acting appropriately but he wasn't implying using a muzzle when he used the word silent/quiet. The majority rules I guess and the overall take was that women indeed need to shut- up in ministry and in the church present day. It got heated when I brought up the John Calvin teachings. Immediately, I was pursuing a sinful pathway and coming up against the Bible. Which I'm not. I was also told this will lead me to hell. And shortly thereafter, Voddie Bacham's admin team shut me down almost immediately. Someone must have reported me to the admin people. I was no longer able to be a part of the thread. I simply couldn't post another comment. An expose, I suppose on the church today. This wreaks of legalism and the doctrine comes first theology. Very concerning that there is no room for discussion, on that post anyway.
Wow, sorry to hear all that. Voddie Baucham is the Calvinist guy who said babies are vipers in diapers trying to be funny and uphold his view of Calvinism. That works on them because such nonsense ideas thrive in an environment of Biblical ignorance. The Bible says children are a gift and a blessing from God and Jesus called them innocent in essence by stating to adults that they must be like children to enter into heaven. Dead in sins people do not enter heaven, so that only leaves one option for infants and children... they are NOT dead in their sins but seen as innocent before God. I would go nowhere near anything Voddie is associated with. You will only find the blind leading the blind in there.
@@faithonfireministries Thanks for your input. Very appreciated. God bless you and your family!
So much for sola scriptura. Sola confessions of faith is more like it.
@@BloodBoughtMinistries indeed, it's crazy how many people in practice hold to their confessions over scripture.
It's not even prima scripture anymore
God bless you Brian for standing against the heresy of the calvanist tulip god. I certainly dont agree with you on all matters but I consider them non essentials...eg. wome pastors and speaking in tongues...but the tulip god is against the true God of the bible so that certainly is not a non essential. Even jw mormons and even muslims claim a god but sadly they are deceived intentionally or unintentionally by humans.
Truly saved. Your human spirit is destroyed, dead. You now have Jesus , His Holy Spirit living in you. You can’t be unsaved. God has made you His through Jesus.
Not sure about that. Paul wrote that His spirit (Gods) beareth witness with OUR spirit that we are the children of God. If our spirit is quenched and replaced only by God's Spirit, how can God's Spirit witness to ours? Also, we are told not to "quench" the Spirit. This clearly means not to suppress Gods Spirit working in us.
That's not biblically accurate. Your human spirit dies when you willfully sin for the first time. Romans 7:9.
Then when you are born again, the Holy Spirit indwells in you bringing your human spirit back to life, born of God, and incorruptible. The Holy Spirit then bears witness to your renewed and now super duper human spirit and we perceive and interpret our human spirit and it's interaction with the Holy Spirit with our soul and flesh. Rom 8:15-17, Gal 4:6-7, Rom 8:11.
But you have tons of people running around calling themselves "truly saved" that aren't born again, don't have the Holy Spirit, don't have genuine fruit, works, or power of the Spirit that are just deceived into thinking their golden when they never received the Holy Spirit. They believed the false doctrine that they received the fullness of God's Spirit when they "believed" but they don't really believe and instead they misinterpreted and were deceived that God calling them and them feeling the Holy Spirit working in their hearts as they were coming to faith as being saved when it wasn't so they get discipled into playing church/false religion without actually getting saved and now they don't understand that they need to continue to come to faith and be saved. They keep faking it until they make it and get disheartened when it gets tough because they don't have the Holy Spirit doing the heavy lifting. This is what happens to 90+% of people in even Bible teaching churches. And the pastors don't know how to fix it because they're in the same boat.
My spirit was sin the moment I was born. Hence born into sin
I’m not sure about your answer. 15For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba,[e] Father.” Is not my spirit adopted by Him and therefore my spirit is gone. Hidden in His spirit?
If you allow me to use analogy. The house down the street sold. The people who lived there have moved. A new family moved in. Same house but new life inside.
Sorry Brian I willbhave to disagree with you on your take of salvation for calavanists and osas. If a persson was truly saved and a believer of the true god of the bible they will never fall for the tulip god because the Holy Spirit is truth and I doubt He would convict peoplent to the tulip god...especially if a person is a bible primary believer. I do struggle with this but ultimately it is the true God of the bible who decides...I simply expressing my concern for calvanists.
In essence the Calvinist obsession is with not being Catholic. God required his commands to not be departed from EITHER TO THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT. This recognises the narrow way has error either side. Calvin and his peers saw genuine error in Catholic doctrine and for good reason sought to have people flee it. Alas in haste to be " not Catholic " they just ran right past the narrow way to everything "opposite " Rome. Many new denominations emerged in a similar process. The byproduct is an obsession with defending thier refuge from what they fled rather than zeal for the narrow way. It also expresses itself in more energy online going into saying whats wrong with others position rather than whats right with the narrow way... the one we should not depart from to either side. So I agree with the criticism your raise but I hope this insight adds clarity
Amen. I've long thought Calvinism touts the Westminister Confession or the London Baptist Confession as a sort of scaffolding to keep track of scripture, but instead these are treated as a blueprint for how to read the Bible. That is not scripture interpreting scripture, and it certainly is not sola scriptura.
Thank you I saw the vid mentioned and didn't really get what he was moaning about
“For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.””
2 Peter 2:20-22 ESV
Once Saved Always Saved
Revelation 3:5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
The Bible itself by cross-referencing “overcome” defines who is the one who overcomes and it is those who believed by faith for salvation in the one (Jesus) who has overcome the world.
It is just like with sin. Jesus never sinned but people do. It’s not as though, when you come to faith in Jesus Christ, you become a perfect sinless human, but you receive the imputed righteousness of Christ, and are seen as innocence, righteous and sinless, as Jesus was.
But I understand where you’re coming from and it’s a great comment. This is a topic worth doing a video about and going through the individual verses. I think it’ll really help people. It’s important to let scripture. Interpret scripture by cross references and letting the Bible define for us certain terms used in other verses. God bless you!
@@faithonfireministries The verse makes it obvious that one's name could be blotted out of the Book of Life. Other verses indicate one can reject their salvation, but this one is the simplest.
No it doesn't say that. That verse is reassurance, not a threat. It is not suggesting a name written into the book of life can be blotted out. It is saying the opposite of that. Are you reading that in the KJV? First of all, a name is added to the book of life because the person came to faith in Christ, therefore is an overcomer by faith in Him who overcame sin and death. 1 John 5: 5 says, "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" That is as clear a definition of who is an overcomer according to God as possibly could ever be given. Let's not add works to it.
So, the names of all the believers will never be blotted out. Rev 3: 5 does not suggest any names will ever be blotted out, but that Jesus will confess that person's name before His Father. It is a verse that promises eternal security. Think of Matthew 7, when Jesus casts away the works based salvation religious types who mention all the good works they did in His name. They think their good works in His name is what saved them, or in other words they think they saved themselves by earning their way into heaven. Jesus said He never knew them. That means they were never written into the Lamb's Book of Life and He won't be confessing their names before the Father.
Also, look at any of the 8 Bible verses that have the phrase "book of life" and you will not see anyone being blotted out of it or stated any other way that implies removal of a name from the Book. The closest you get to that is Revelation 22: 19 but that must be read and understood in relation to the earlier verse in Rev 20: 12 which speaks of the rewards a believer in the Book of Life receive based upon their good works. Keep in mind, their works did not save them, but good works and obedience to Christ does earn rewards in heaven and the dead believers are judged upon those works only for the purpose of giving them rewards in heaven. Jesus referred to it as "laying up treasures in heaven." However, Revelation 22: 19 refers to this and it does include a warning that anyone who takes away words from this book of prophesy (Book of Revelation) God will take away his part out of the Book of Life. The Greek word for "part" means share, not name. So, it is not as though the person's name is blotted out and goes to hell, but they would lose all their rewards (share).
@@faithonfireministries You seemed to have missed Psalm 69:28
Let them be blotted out of the book of life, and not be written with the righteous.
Good one. I like it. King David is smart, appealing to God to smite his enemies and he asks a lot from God about intervening with massive judgement against those who persecute him. So, this is an interesting verse because it is one of the imprecatory psalms in which David is asking God to bring down life ending judgement on his enemies. It is not definitive that God did that in an eternal sense or would ever do that today if we prayed similarly asking God to strike down our enemies and send them to hell. The KJV says the book of living, not book of life from Revelation and I think David was simply asking God to kill his enemies, and his prayer was not a reference to the Lamb's Book of Life you and I have been discussing.
And I am also glad this is not carried out by God today in this age of grace or all of us would be blotted out and not written with the righteous. 2 Peter 3: 9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Christianity: "Go and baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
Calvinism: "Go and baptize in the name of Reformed Theology, the Westminster Confession, and the Bible when needing proof text."
I've listened to this man several times. I believe I can learn from anyone. Sometimes, we learn from other people that they are promoting heresy. Calvinism is a lie from the pits of hell. But, what you do with regards to female pastors is also heresy. My offer stands to debate you concerning female pastors. We are in agreement about Calvinism. I'm just an average middle-aged man. Don't be intimidated. God bless you
I agree
Just an honest question please don't attack me: I'm a calvinist, and if i were to come to that through my own, that's okay, but if i was to teach it, that's bad? Or is it all bad? I listened to this video, but i was left confused on whether or not the argument is on the idea or the document. At the end of the video, faith on fire mentions his confidence in the fact that God can save someone out of the calvinist thought. I just wanted to also ask would it be wrong to believe in the sovereignty of God? Because if I'm honest, that's where i arrived to my current beliefs. I read the bible in the way that makes God the main character, and seeing him provide from adam to the prophets just makes it the thought complete. God gave the spirit to the artisans in exodus to build the tabernacle, to the king saul, whom later that same God removed it from. There are other references i can come up with, but im not here to prove a point. Would the argument be against the confessions and the promotion or against the beliefs itself?
When a Calvinist says a Christian doesn't believe in the sovereignty of God that is just code for the person does not believe in Calvinism so we must discredit them in a way that strongly implies they are immoral. Its a tactic often seen used in cults to demonize outsiders. They apply a wrong definition of sovereignty that is never used the same way in the English language anytime that word is used in any other context.
For instance, when we say a king or nation is sovereign over a people, we never mean that to suggest that the king or nation meticulously determines every single thing that each person ever does, including each and every single act of evil or good done by each person under that king or nation. Calvinism teaches that about God's sovereignty but the Bible does not. Also, it never means the king or nation randomly selects a few citizens to be rewarded with life and all others are reserved for death and that destiny is pre-set and unchangeable. Calvinism teaches that about God but the Bible does not. Outside of Calvinism, their view of God's sovereignty in the rest of the world is known as Pagan Fatalism.
@faithonfireministries I just read the message. Thanks for responding to me. I think there was something that was misunderstood here. I did not say that only calvinist believe in sovereignty of God. I asked if you would listen to a calvinist teaching on the sovereignty of God also. That was not one of the same questions in my original post. I see why there could be some issues in reading my post, so I'll take responsibility and organize my questions.
First, is simply being a calvinist a bad thing, or is it the teaching and documents that are bad?
Second, which was kind of answered was, would you affirm a calvinistic view on the sovereignty of God?
Lastly, let me be very clear: I am not here to convince anyone to my way of understanding, I know it like convincing a left-handed person to be right-handed. I do not belong to a reformed church and have had multiple conversations with people who I love who disagree. My goal here is to understand why the way I read scripture is considered a false view?
Now, here is my conclusion, when I read sections of scriptures like Judges chapter 2:11-3:6 where God is "giving them over to plunderers" (2:14) and the book of Lamentations chapter 2where it connected God swallowing(2:5) the kingdom of Judah to the Babylonians swallowing (2:16).
I do know that they are in different context, genres, and times, but I have to think that these sections of scriptures aren't just filler with no strong connection to God's sovereignty over the nations.
I gave up on Everhard earlier this year. So disappointed.
that guy actually looks like the baphomet with that goatee and those ears. the 33 really seals the deal. dude is totally a mason, I'd bet money on it.
Remove your tinfoil hat. Judging people on appearance is anti Christ
That's what came to mind upon hearing 33, too. Masonry is rampant in Protestantism (Jesuits change their name when infiltrating).
I'll admit I'd have to resist the urge to ask him "Why the long face?" if I ever met him. That said, physical appearance is unimportant compared to doctrine. Regardless of whether this guy looks like Satan, Jesus, or anything in between, the doctrines he is peddling are outright Luciferianism thinly disguised in a "Christian" wrapper.
What do you think is the main reason that calvinist are so divided on scripture? It seems to me that calvinism should be pretty cut and dry.
How are calvinist decided on scripture?
Whenever a group follows a man-made theological system and then tries to affirm those doctrines in Scripture, inevitably it does not go well and they run into countless contradictions they can't explain. So, they usually just say its a mystery and we shouldn't dwell on that apparent problem, just accept the theology, rather than consider that their theology is the problem.
But then there are always those in the group that start realizing some of the doctrines are just so incredibly wrong that they reject some of it but try to hold onto the rest and maintain their association with the group. That is why there are 3 point, 4 point and 5 point Calvinists and apparently even 33 point Calvinists as we learned today. There are even some Calvinists calling others Calvinists Hyper-Calvinists meant as a criticism. No question about it, they are divided on Scripture and just as divided as a group too.
Calvinists are so divided on scripture? Really, how so?
Alright I normally give you a hard time about you trashing Calvinist…. But this one understand totally. 66 point Christian 😂 Nice one. I do love to study theology and read systematic theology. Any I think you are right here and I usually disagree with your stuff
"It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else..." ~Charles Spurgeon
So, your sole authority on the Gospel is Charles Spurgeon rather than Scripture. You may want to look in the Bible as to what the sin of idolatry is.
@@faithonfireministries Ha. No, I didn't say that. I was simply quoting Spurgeon. Other quotes might be from Paul, Isaiah, John, Luke/Acts "and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed", the list from the Bible goes on and on. Spurgeon just put it in a nutshell.
Why would you leave a quote like that without any added thought from yourself as to why you disagree with the quote unless you are providing it because you indeed do agree with it? Scripture gives us the Gospel exactly in 1 Corinthians 1: 3,4 or in a nutshell many others times such as John 3: 16 and Acts 16: 31 since it now appears you were searching for the Gospel in a nutshell. What Spurgeon said is wrong, very wrong!!! Calvinism is the opposite of the true Gospel of Christ as per Romans 1: 16.
Calvinism has a false gospel that is not good news to the world at all nor an offer of God's grace and forgiveness to whosoever believes in Christ by faith, but only that a few unwilling people will be saved by unconditional election alone through irresistible grace, and faith in Christ is only a secondary byproduct of that election and forced grace. And current Calvinists who appeal to well known dead Calvinists for their doctrines instead of appealing to Scripture have an idolatry problem.
The crazy thing is he actually liked the Wesley brothers, on the opposite side of the spectrum.
Im a Christian Reformer we do not use the westminster confession. We use the Heidleburg Catechism Belgic Confession and Canons of Dort. You should read these BEFORE you pass judgement on Calvinism
Perhaps you should read up on Calvin before you pass judgment on people passing judgment on Calvinism. Your patron saint was no saint. The vast majority of Calvinists I've spoken to off and on the internet have not ever read Calvin's actual writings. You people don't even know what your nomenclature and source of authority actually taught!
I do know one thing about Calvin... his favorite wood for burning people was green wood.
RUclipsrs like allie beth stuckey,,standard of truth podcast,,all things theology,for example, have a number of good topic discussions. Yet they all have one thing in common,,their die hard allegiance to John McArthur, Vodie Bauchman.
Yes. So true!
I've had some small disagreements with the women and they didn't respond. But with the male host "all things theology ", he became irate when I opposed him. What's sad is there are issues in the church that should be addressed that they do well,but come off as somewhat legalistic regarding salvation and borderline blasphemous regarding the Holy Spirit. So any of the Calvin followers actually leading people to Christ, not so confident
Serious question: why do Calvinists pray for “God’s will to be done” if God’s will has already been done?
Hey Brian, can you crash the Cessationist Conference? That would be great content haha.
I don't think I could stomach that! Besides, what sort of a person is willing to pay good money to sit and watch a bunch of Pharisees pontificate on all the things they think God is no longer doing?
I would love this to be at a convention
@@faithonfireministries I'd be more inclined to call those guys "Sadducees" than "Pharisees", as the Sadducees were the ones who rejected the ideas of the supernatural and the Old Testament Scriptures beyond the five books written by Moses (while the Pharisees, for all their faults, at least acknowledged the supernatural and the entire Old Testament). Sadducees thought there was no life after death. That's why they were sad, you see...
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Why do Calvinist say they are believers instead of they are saved?
Hi, I'm a calvinist and I'm saved. There, now go home.
@@bucky91361 But how do you know unless you 'persevere to the end?'
You lot can state contradictions for sure 😂
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John 10:27-29
Romans 8:38-39
Ephesians 1:13-14
1 John 5:11-13
Psalm 23:1, 6
Isaiah 43:1
@bucky91361 Your TULIP states that you lot must persevere to the end with works or else you really weren't one of the saved calvinist elect.
Instead of spam pasting verses without context attempting to make an argument that these support your heresy, why don't you just answer *HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED RIGHT NOW IF YOUR OWN TULIP SAYS YOU WONT KNOW UNTIL THE END AND ONLY IF YOU PERSEVERE WITH WORKS?*
@@THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY I'm suppose to have a conversation with someone who "you lot" 's me twice and then screams at me?
I answered your question. Go read those verses.
33 isn’t an accidental number. It’s interesting. But that’s a number that is very important in freemasonry.
And likewise, if you tell a freemason who is way below that 33 level that he is being sucked deeper and deeper into a Satanic cult, what do they always say?... No, it is Christian and you'd just don't understand it.
calvinism relies on latin terms to sound credible like a certain debater relies on the Greek.
I find very interesting; maybe that is the wrong word, more like irritating when these churches do devotionals or exposition on the confessions. while it may show their position in clear light-- it does nothing to show what they believe about the scriptures.
the earth has to be flat every eye shall see him ,how is that possible on a round earth
33 Point Calvinist. 33 Degree Mason.
Sorry, I don’t want to be that guy and sound like an IFB heresy hunter but they are way to similar.
1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;………………once saved always saved ?
Great verse and so true, but how is OSAS a doctrine of devils given John 10: 28,29 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." What part of "they shall never perish" is confusing? And there are so many other similar passages. It is not by our works but by faith in His finished redemptive work, and once we are saved, at that moment we are given the gift of God which is eternal life. How long does eternal life last? Only so long provided we keep earning it through works and our faithfulness or is it exactly as long as Christ said it to be, which is forever, all eternity?
@@faithonfireministriesthe OSAS idea is sort of like the Calvinistic Perserverance of the Saints, but without the Calvinism. Your reference from John 10, neglects the previous 2 verses. Jesus said in vs 26 Jesus said you believe not because you are not of my sheep and in vs 27 He said my sheep "follow me". Making a commitment once and being saved does not stop a person from ceasing to believe or not follow. Salvation is not just a one time action, otherwise it makes Paul's statement in Romans meaningless that "our salvation is nearer than when we first believed". Salvation requires belief and continuing belief to the culmination which will be achieved at the resurrection. As I said elsewhere, God knows each persons heart. A true Christian that is in dwelt by the Spirit of God should be able to continue in their faith, but Jesus made it clear in the parable of the sower that some continue in the faith for only a while and fall away. Were they ever really saved or did they just give that appearance? I don't know. However, I know many people who were "seemingly" believers and had been so for decades but have now totally rejected God. Would they have been saved if they died before they started rejecting God? It's important to persevere and produce fruit but we can't put our hand to the plough and then take our hand off it down the track.
I did not neglect the previous 2 verses. I know John 10 very well and they do not undo what Jesus said right after. Remember His parable about the 99 sheep and 1 lost sheep that He goes after? Jesus loses none that belong to Him and all believers belong to Him! He saves us and keeps us saved by His power. We are in His hands, eternally secure, and if it were any other way then our trust would not be in Christ but in our own works, and we then have a false gospel that in essence claims we are our own savior.
Our salvation occurs the moment we placed out trust in Christ by faith, and at that moment we are indwelled by the Holy Spirit of promise, as Scripture says. Why "promise?" Because you are partly right in that the promises of our salvation are secure but not fully received in entirety until the resurrection of the dead into glorified heavenly bodies, but the promise to that end is sealed by the Holy Spirit the moment a person is born again.
I remember picking up a "satanic bible" and reading it. Okay, it didn't seem to grieve me. I picked up a deep theological work and it began to just make me angry. Why? Because I am justifying the satanic bible? No. Why? Because at least with the satanic bible, it is written by a clearly God hatting individual, rather then somebody who is intricately taking the Word of God, and writing down a perversion of it. Its similar to that "the shack" thing, that was years ago. A book they said that basically, broke the Bible, and that Christians were putting down their Bibles to exchange for The Shack. When I watched the movie, I was like, "there's nothing here. There is no God, there is no Jesus, there is no Holy Ghost". They were shocked that I didnt come off being enlightened somehow. Well, the Holy Ghost has to be there for me to be enlightened more. I was even upsetting people at the Bible study when I gave the right kind of review for the movie. He was upset because his wife had cried seeing the movie. Well, sorry, but a woman's tears cant sanctify and make holy, something that is not.
Exposing all the errors of others let they who have
No sin cast the first stone!
You are misapplying what Jesus said to the religious leaders wanting to stone the woman caught in adultery. We are exhorted in Scripture to expose false teachings and to contend for the faith once delivered unto the saints. Doing so edifies the Body of Christ and is very helpful to keep Christians (especially new Christians) from straying into deceptive false theologies.
As newborn babes desire the sincere milk of the word that
Ye may grow thereby
I attended churches just after
Conversion but felt I wasn't
Receiving sound doctrine
So.i prayed and I was led into
The doctrine of predestination
That God had chosen me for
Eternal life!
Great vid. Thanks.
I know and understand that there are no verses that support the idea that regeneration precedes faith, but I am wondering if there is something in the Bible that the Calvinists are twisting to come up with this idea?
Yes they do, but by reading into the text what is not there of course. They refer to John 3: 3 when Jesus tells Nicodemus that a person must be born again or he cannot see the Kingdom of God. They claim this means one must be of the elect chosen for salvation by God and then at some decreed moment of their life they get regenerated (born again) by the Holy Spirit according to their doctrine of Irresistible Grace which happens first, before they can believe the Gospel and have faith in Christ. A person would have to have on some pretty thick Calvinist glasses to see all that in the text of John 3: 3. It just isn't even there at all.
Wow! Yes that is REALLY a stretch! Thanks for the info! God Bless!
😂mormans! BAIT/ switch too!
The will of man reigns Supreme
OSAS is nowhere thought in scripture.
Yes it is. Here is just one clear example spoken by Jesus Christ in John 10, "27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
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This verse actually supports conditional security. Notice the promises are for the sheep. Sheep is an idiom for follower, so this promises are for those who are followers of Jesus. And we agree that no one can take them away from Jesus. But what happens if the person willingly stops following Jesus?
Well Jesus tells us in John 15:6
“If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.”
John 15:6 ESV
Nope, I think you are confusing sheep in John 10 with sheep in Matthew 25. In Matthew 25 sheep is a metaphor for believer, goats for unbelievers. In John 10 Jesus speaks of "the sheep" and "My sheep" which are His sheep, the believers. Sheep in this chapter is a metaphor for people, everyone. Jesus tells the unbelieving religious leaders that they are not believers because they are not of "My sheep." "My sheep" is a how Jesus in John 10 distinguished believers from the others, collectively all of them, believers and unbelievers being "the sheep." And while on that topic, Jesus clearly said He lay down His life for "the sheep" (John 10: 15) which in yet another proof that Calvinistic Limited Atonement which says Jesus only died for the Elect is in opposition to the His words in the Bible.
@@faithonfireministries I said that sheep is an idiom for follower. That is true in John and in Matt. But even in your view of this passage my point stands.
We agree that when Jesus speaks of “His sheep” He is talking about “his followers” or as you put it, “the believers”.
So this passage is still saying that the promises are for HIS SHEEP, meaning the believers. So what happens if you stop believing ? About 80 passages tell us what happens, one of those the aforementioned John 15:6
One thing good for sure is this. I don't think we would be having this discussion if we both weren't saved. We love our Lord, and we know the grace of God in our lives. We disagree on if someone can lose salvation or if someone who is truly saved will ever actually renounce the faith for real (not just go through a difficult season when life bites them) but the good news is that a scenario of apostacy or doubt does not describe either one of us. We love Scripture and try our best to understand it and we discuss how to interpret it because it is our authority. This is good and I appreciate our discussion. It is what the Bible calls "iron sharpens iron." God bless you!
33-point?
More like 33rd grade freemason *ahem* I mean Calvinist
Respectfully, the 'bait and switch' is on your part.
I am not the one promoting allegiance to writings outside of Scripture. That is your camp doing that.
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Do you not demand allegiance to your writings that are outside of Scripture?
Also, as I am an individual, I do not belong to a 'camp'.
You said you are a “Reformed Baptist”. Could you do a study sometime on what a “Reformed Baptist “is because when I hear that when someone is reformed I run from them.
No, I said I am a Baptist, NOT a Reformed Baptist. I was trying to clarify that because there is a huge difference. The SBC Baptists include many Bible, believing Baptist churches that are opposed to Calvinism, and it also includes some Reformed Baptist churches, which are Calvinists. I personally believe that the SBC should disfellowshipped every single reformed Baptist church, but I also realize that isn’t going to happen. Then there are independent fundamental Baptist churches, and almost all of them are very much opposed to Calvinism/Reformed Theology.
Do the Fundamentalist Baptist not have statements on Faith ?
Didn't you pay attention? I said twice in this video I am not against confessionals or creeds, just that they should not be the authority we turn to, but only have the Bible as our sole authority from which we judge the legitimacy of such creeds and credentials. The 33 point Calvinists are not identifying with Scripture but primarily with their confessional which says all we need to know about what is their sole authority.
@@faithonfireministriesAbsolutely useless and ridiculous criticism of other faithful Christians. All serious creedal and confession Presbyterians affirm that only Scripture holds infallible authority. Writing a book that explains the teaching of a historic confession doesn't contradict Sola Scriptura in the slightest. Don't you realize that the Reformed church has also produced thousands of devotionals and commentaries on Scripture directly as well?
Why is it that these provisionist RUclipsrs like you always have their entire channel dedicated to debunking a specific theology? How about actually going to seminary and becoming a pastor and shepherding a church and denomination yourself? Then maybe the "Provisionist" church might actually produce some theologians that can be taken seriously, instead of being a minor angry group on the Internet trying to be modern day Pelagians.
"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits."
Provisionists have barely produced anything valuable for the church.
@@wagnavianthey are not “faithful Christians“. They are teaching a false gospel and making a mockery of God’s salvation plan.
redeemedzoomer just put out a video called "understanding baptists". Believe it or not, he was rather gracious and nice
I disagree with Chapters I & XXXI of the Westminster Confession.
Chapter I lists the Books of the Bible, excluding the Deuterocanonical Books such as Maccabees, Tobit, and Ecclesiasticus. Worse yet, it does NOT mention where the Books of the Bible came from, especially the Selection Process. In effect, it ignores the Disciplines of Patristics and Canonics.
Chapter XXXI compounds the problems introduced by Chapter I by ignoring the Role of the Church Council to make such things official. So severe are these shortcomings that few Calvinists know who St. Irenaeus is, and most who do denounce him as a heretic. In reality, St, Irenaeus is the single man most responsible for keeping the Gnostic Gospels such as the Gospel according to Judas Iscariot out of the Bible.
I try not to judge. I’m progressive so him and I are on opposite ends.
If my recollection is correct, the Westminster profession of faith list stems from the reformation movement written at a time of much erroneous teachings coming out of the Catholic church. The purpose was to correct and protect the body of believers straying into error.The content of the Westminster confession is based upon the fundamental core of scripture doctrine.
I think everyone should read what the Westminster confession of faith actually says before passing judgement.
Including you, Brian
Oh, I have read the WCOF but I've already been a Christian reading my Bible daily for decades, so I am prepared to spot error and contradictions between it and the Word of God. The WCOF is full of garbage and prooftexts that don't support its Calvinistic statements. Would you also advise any Christians to go and read the Book of Mormon before passing judgement on the legitimacy of Mormonism? I doubt it. There is no difference.
Like other cults, Calvinism is just a false theology that men wrote because they disagreed with the Bible. Like cults, a huge effort is expended towards converting Christians to Calvinism. It claims exclusivity as superior theology with superior theologians though that is a delusion. It claims it contains distinctive doctrines that are undeniable spiritual truths though they are easily debunked by Scripture. They often try to discredit and dismiss anyone who has studied and rejected their theology by saying they just don't understand it. They often shun those who belonged to it, then reject it and leave, despite them only leaving Calvinism, not Christianity. They have a list of giants of the faith they idolize who popularized the cult, and if anyone questions the teachings of those men, you might as well have challenged God Himself and such people are labeled immoral and stupid by Calvinists despite the fact that none of those men wrote a single word of Holy Scripture.
As Bible believers, the Bible should be our sole authority, not man-written theologies that attempt to re-package God's Word into a new system.
@faithonfireministries Please forgive me for my ignorance..........
BUT
as a matter of interest, here are some questions:
* What Westminster confession statement don't you agree with?
*Calvanism was not mentioned in my first response. May I ask you, sir, why are you so against John Calvin?
* Do you really associate Calvanism as a cult like with Mormonism?
One more question, Brian, as believers..... * Do you think we should fear God?
You say that you are not opposed to confessions of faith, but argue that they should not be our sole rule of authority. So do you do what the PCA does, and require your pastors to adhere to the church's confession of faith, or what the UMC does, in which you allow your pastors simply to ignore the church's confession of faith?
(I myself am not a formal member of any church, because I can almost always find something somewhere in the church's doctrinal statement that rests on a very weak exegetical foundation.)
There is a huge difference between denominational confessionals or church statements of faith that may differ over secondary issues but still agree on the core essentials of Christian faith and a Calvinist confessional that is purely heretical and blasphemous against the character of God and perverts the Gospel of Christ into a false gospel. In all cases, Scripture should be our sole authority by which we judge the legitimacy of any extra-biblical faith statements or confessionals, creeds, etc. But you certainly did hit on a problem area that is difficult to navigate for pastors, but easy for us who sit in the pews (though fewer and fewer churches have pews anymore). Many pastors are stuck towing the company line so to speak, even if they may personally not agree with it all, just out of fear of losing their job and not be able to put food on the table for their own family.
@@faithonfireministries I was also going to mention that the "ordo salutis" is taken from Rom. 8:28-30. And why do "all things work together for good to those who love God"? Well, read the text and find out!
I'm familiar with that as it is taught in Reformed Theology and also is known as the "golden chain of redemption" from this passage. Unfortunately, that is just systemizing the Bible by isolating a text and ignoring all the others that clearly give it context. Other verses state how we are saved and the order, which is faith before regeneration, such as in Romans 1: 16 and the spiritual blessings are what are predestined to each and every person who is saved as in Ephesians 1 and here in Romans 8 indicates.
Calvinism is so inconsistent. They love this passage to try to suggest God chooses those he foreknows as the elect but that is more like Arminianism and the Calvinist confessionals actually says that nothing God foresees has anything to do with whom He unconditionally elected.
@@faithonfireministries I would be very careful about accusing Calvin of "just systemizing the Bible by isolating a text and ignoring all the others that clearly give it context." Calvin was a leading Reformer, and a gifted Bible scholar who wrote commentaries on most of the books of the Bible. He also was an expository preacher. I would never believe anything just because Calvin taught it, but my experience down through the years is that he was a far better theologian than most of his critics who rely on human logic to explain away all the passages that talk about predestination and election.
I think that a lot of people have the mistaken notion that regeneration is something that happens instantaneously, which then raises the question of sequence. Do we believe first and then are regenerated later, or are we regenerated first and then are regenerated? I think that the Bible uses the term "new birth" to describe the whole process by which the Holy Spirit convicts a lost sinner, grants him repentance and faith, and then makes him a new creature in Christ Jesus.
But according to the Bible, it is God who chooses, and God who makes alive.
Does your church not have a statement of Faith ? Do you understand what the Confessions say ?
Twice in this video I said I am not against confessionals or creeds. The point I made is that they should NOT be our sole authority and the lens through which we interpret Scripture. It should be the other way around! It is through Scripture that we should judge the legitimacy of any confessionals, statements of faith, creeds, denominational traditions, theological doctrines, etc. Reading Scripture is how we personally learn Biblical doctrines rather than the doctrines of man in theology books.
Also, keep in mind that while denominations differ on some secondary issues and practices, it is Calvinism that more than most others is a total affront to Scriptural truth, includes pagan ideologies and is blasphemous towards God and changes the Gospel into a false gospel.
@@faithonfireministries explain to me how “Calvinism” turns the Gospel into a “False Gospel” ?
Can you tell me who is Howard Peth?
No, I don't know who that is.