Battle of the Bad A$$ AR10's - LMT vs HK
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The HK MR762 and the LMT L219A1 are two rifles competing for that high end gas gun AR dollar, but which do I like better and why? The AR10 is an iconic rifle in .308 that many Americans love. So we put these to titans against each other to see which comes out on top.
#ar10 #hk #lmt 
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I can't afford admission for this playground lol.
Get a Diamondback DB10 or The Ruger SFAR if you want a smaller lighter rifle
Me neither
Your wallet must be this fat to ride 😂
I just bought a psa ar 10 that's the most my budget will allow and that under the condition my wife doesn't know. If only I had a youtube channel to justify stuff
@@BenBartlow I love PSA but I can't pay cash so my wife knows exactly what I'm paying for everything. Otherwise I'd have a few more things from PSA stacked up by now. Lol
I paid 2850 dollars for my LMT in September of 2012 with a 16-inch chrome lined barrel and its still a tack drive.
You can get LMT for 3.5k mloc
You can have it in 13.5, 16, 18, 20, 24 barrel length. Literally 1min to swap.
You can have it in piston as well.
Best platform for lasers.
Any stock you like.
Widely available magazines.
Fully ambi.
No issues with support in US.
It's like NO decision :)
this
Not with LMT’s reign of QC issues. In the past yes. Until LMT start being more competent, hard pass
I chose LMT for my pre-AWB panic buy for that very reason. It gives me a lot more convenient options, especially since I won’t be able to buy another rifle for the foreseeable future.
Agree 100% I love my MARS H, but my OBR outshoots it every time , except for 147 grain ball , the LMT LOVES it always hovers around 1 inch for good ammo..
I'd like to see some 30" barrel rifles that were in smaller-than-.50 caliber size.
Cheap increased accuracy and muzzle velocity. Yet no one does it. How about 40"?
Also reduced muzzle flash and blast.
I'd take the lmt based solely on magazine type and availability. I always had good luck selling lmt rifles to people who do their research and have the money.
yeah because magazines melt after a few minutes or uh erm something
SR25 needs to be in there too!
He never really reviews KAC stuff except for the suppressor
Yeahhhhh KAC gets no love on this channel
Both amazing rifles! Thanks for the video.
Really enjoyed, good info, thanks
I would be interested to see the comparison with the LWRCI REPR MKII
Glad to see this video! Im a big Hk Mr762 fanboy and have been watching your older content as of late on the HK because I just bought one! In fact its sitting in my lap as I type this as im fooling around with slings atm. Its wearing a Minox Zp8 and theres a Vortex Razor 1-10 and a convex butpad in the mail for her later this week. Ill be taking a defensive rifle class on June 24th in which ill run 400 rounds through her in a single day. Itll be epic! Thanks to their gentle recoil, itll also be a piece of cake.
Love the HK!
I like the quick change barrels of the LMT’s. I have a 13.5” 1:07 pin and welded 308 that I can change to a 20” 6.5 creedmoor in less than a minute. Definitely fun to go between the two. I have never shot the HK but hope to soon. Love the content!
What muzzle device is pinned to it?
@@josephh.8075SOLGW NOX
Great vid!
My favorite content of yours… plus I’ve been super into .308 DMR/battle rifles lately.
Recently tried to buy a colt with a monolithic upper chambered in .308 Winchester but daaang that thing is heavy. Great video as always
I use the HK with the Steiner 5-25 for almost 8 years now. It shoots precisely, be it on 50, 100, 300, or 1000 m. I prefer the 168gr rounds. For training purposes, I use the cheaper 145 gr rounds, which are not as precise as the 168, but good enough. I love the rifle for its perfect finish and usability. It shoots much cleaner than a direct impingement rifle, which, for my taste, must be cleaned to often. With cleaning cycles of 1000 - 2000 shots the HK is a reliable an precise partner.
Now HK vs SR25
My hk m762 is awesome I did a video on it I love it
completely agree with the atmospheric conditions change accuracy. I've shot the same ammo out of my 6mm GT on one day that was quarter inch groups and on another day just under 1"
I've had really good luck with the lmt though, i have the stainless barrel in mine and it's right up there in accuracy with my kac SR25. unfortunately i don't have the HK so i can't compare it to the those two or my lwrc repr's
LMT. I'm a sucker for monolithic rails.
yeah. it’s the way.
love my armalites and aero M5’s - but good lord - so heavy
"Wow, what a showdown between two legendary AR10s! Both the LMT and HK put on an impressive performance, but in the end, it's clear that each rifle has its own strengths and weaknesses. The LMT's accuracy and reliability were truly impressive, while the HK's robust design and advanced features definitely stood out. It's amazing to see the innovation and craftsmanship that goes into these weapons, and I can't wait to see what the future holds for AR10s. Thanks for this amazing video, it was truly a battle of the bad a$$!"
I’d like to see how the Seekins SP10 that got the SOF contract stacks up against these? 🤔
I'm saving up for the Ruger SFAR. I know it's getting a mix review but, I've loved Ruger since I was a kid and the SFAR really does seem to be the "magic rifle" and a solid foundation to build up. I'll work through any issues that pop up.
It has some unique ways to handle the 308 power in a nearly 556 size package. You've probably seen the other RUclipsr having troubles with the bolt hold open. I've got to find that vid again to have him check something else on it. He seemed to retract the carrier as far as possible with the charging handle yet it wasn't far enough to lock back. I think the charging handle runs out of travel too soon. I think the carrier under recoil may travel far enough but not entirely reliably. It may be that it cycles just a bit too fast for the magazine to reliably lift the hold open into the way.
I got a 16". 165 rounds in & ZERO malfunctions. The things a pleasure to shoot & the trigger is phenomenal for a stock trigger. Hope you can find a SFAR in stock. Mine was 4 weeks backorder but worth the wait!
I have an IMT li29a1 it’s heavier than it needs to be, but i get consistently tighter groups than what was shown in this video
everyone does. I get tighter groups with my ak.
Hey Tim, how does Daniel Defense’s DD5V4 AR10 stack up against LMT and HK? Just rough opinion?
I really appreciate your work and your research . Great reviews.
Stumbled onto a H&K mr762a1 barely used for $2800...it was so bad ass I bought it. I am learning about it now, maybe my fav gun now
I've been watching your channel for a while now and I just noticed your "range rules" sign. Now I'm gonna order one for my range. 🤣
Hi Mac. May I ask you: Where did you get that "Range Rules" sign? It is great!
Thanks for the great review Tim! been following you for many years and you never disappoint!!! .... that being said, I own both rifles, love them both and both are accurate, but I prefer the LMT. The ease of parts availability, SR25 magazines (which I have many from my KAC SR-25), change of barrel.....and to be honest I get slightly better grouping from my LMT at 100 yards. I love my HKs but I think that they are incredibly over priced.
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I'm doing my research into buying my first AR10 and every time I think i've settled onto something I always get my opinions swayed. First was a KAC SR-25 (i have no urgency for it so i figured whenever parts came around i'd bite). Then,I was set on the LWRCI REPR. Then i looked into the MR762, and now I'm looking into not only the LMT but also the Sig 716. Not to mention the plethora of cheaper options like the Ruger SFAR, The DDM5, the PSA 10 and more. The more research i do the more i get lost
Do you like the SFAR more than the M5E1 from aero? I know I like the M5E1 more than the tread.
The Daniel Defense .308 is no slouch either.
My dd5v3 has absolutely blew me away. Been handloadin for 2yr for it and can put 5 175smk on a 20oz lid at 100.. made 1st rd hit at 1000 also
@@charlesmullins3238 my DD5V4 is freaking amazing. Hasn’t missed a beat yet. Just put an ATACR FDE on it and it matches the Milspec brown finish almost perfectly.
@@JohnRambo-zz6gy I run 3x15 pst sfp and 419 hellfire…I’d love to have the 20” version…mine likes the 178gr hornady match for factory loads but my 175smk over h4350 is baby bear soup..7rds in .75”..I bet that brown looks killer
Truth..few semi auto rifles can compete with the accuracy and precision of the DD5..especially with a chrome lined barrel
Yeah, I would love to afford a dd in 308… but I’ll have to run my PSA AR10 in 308 cuz I’m poor 😅
I can't play in this game either. So yes, Ruger, my favorite company would get the nod. My only gas gun in this class was an M1 Garand. I had it zeroed at 300 yards open sights. I could ring the 25' gong at our range all day long. My option now is to assemble a DPMS pattern AR-10 piece meal and hope I can shoot it as well as I did the Garand. That's my standard.
Im too poor for this so im using Aero M5 receivers, but an LMT heart (BCG) & Criterion barrel (once it comes back in stock... anytime now Criterion)!
MAC the HK MR762 LRP has a heavy profile G28 barrel in 1-11.25 twist vs a regular MR762 in 1-12 in a lighter profile. There is a difference in the LRP vs Regular MR762
Could you compare these to a scar 17, sig spear, and a Daniel defense 308?
The DD5V4 is an amazing rifle. I love the SCAR17 also. I can’t trust Sig anything
The HK is almost 50% cheaper in Europe due to import trades in US. Same thing with all the US made rifles that are 50% more expensive in Europe than in the US. So the HK for 3500 $ is worth to buy it but for 7 000 no way.
The exact reason I go for HK every time... I dont understand americans, why would they even bother with H&k. THey have so many different manufacturers to choose from (LMT, FN, DD, KAC...) , while we in EU only have H&K - high end rifles at "normal" prices .
Personally, I would love to see a comparison between a Ruger Scout Rifle compared to a semi auto .308. The bolt action is obviously slower , but accuracy wise, it may be entertaining. I have a synthetic stocked Ruger Gunsight Scout as my Doomsday rifle , and would love to know how it compares . I'll be willing to loan a rifle for this test with a Burris Scout scope for comparison, ad long ad you don't keep it for to long .
Nice 💪 ! Didnt have to rub it in tho lol. Keep up the great content!
where would you list the SFAR compared to the rest of the AR10's? In the top 10 or top 5 ? the price is the driver and curious where it stands in your eyes ?
you answered at end of video, thanks
Ive been more than happy with the 716i, which i barely afforded already.
I’ve been hearing a lot of good things… The mid length gas system seems to be perfect on the 716i
I have not heard of any major issues or horror stories with these rifles.
For what's it worth I've been running mine for two 🦌 seasons and love it. Granted I've swapped in Phase 5 charging handle and Triggertech 308 2-stage adjustable trigger.
@@williamhedrick7983I believe it's a rifle length.
Agree …. Only thing was the trigger…but that was more me than the trigger 😂
I have one too and like it a lot.
I want the LMT only for the totally monolithic upper, if only other companies like Aero made them like that.
I want it to be super strong, even if they could attach the buffer tube to the upper.
The monolithic upper is patented, colt got sued by LMT when they made monolithic upper back in the mid 2000s
@rad_lad_2715 wow that's trash
I'm gonna refer back to your video on external piston guns, more specifically POF. They are all overgassed, except the $7000 guns. You poopooed on em, I tuned and love my short stroke piston.
Do you have a new POF AR10? How does it stack up to these and the Ruger SFAR?
I know us regular schmo's that buy budget stuff can aspire to these pinnacle style 308 gas guns. but my 16" S&W MP10 seems to do just fine for my capabilities. I spent a crap ton of money on ammo and mags and a good LPVO from Vortex. the thing is noticeably heavier too... put an aggressive brake on it to tame it some but now that it doesnt kick the shoulder as hard it kicks the ears even thru the ear pro!... geez that thing is loud!
Idk... I'm still glad I traded my LMT for the POF. It shoots just as good groups and is much lighter.
Interesting-I did the exact opposite-it was a good shooter but my LMT is a hair better and many many hairs heavier.
I love all my POF-USA rifles, i own 4 of them, a 16" P308 EDGE, A 12.5" Revolution in .308, a 10.5" P-415 in 5.56, and a 10.5" Renegade Plus in .300blk.
I also own one LMT Mars 16" in 5.56, ...I bought it because of how much Chris at Small arms Solutions talked about how he thought it was the best rifle on the market, long story short...I was incredibly DISSAPOINTED in the LMT. My POF, LWRC rifles, and a couple others I own in the same price range all have way superior fit and finish compared to the LMT, the LMT is heavier with its monolithic upper, and the ambi mag release does not work on the lower I am on my 2nd lower and both had the same issue, and I have talked to a few other owns and found out it is a common problem with the design of LMTs ambi controls. I suppose if someone bought a LMT and never bought any other rifles they may thing the LMT was great but mine really made me lose respect for Chris at Small Arms Solutions. Which makes me sad, because I KNOW he is a knowledgeable dude when it comes to these weapons, but I have to think he let some sort of person bias in when recommending LMT as the best AR15 on the market. As for as D.I. gas guns go, My POF-USA RenegadePlus blows it out of the water. I would put the LMT on the same tier as say Aero Persicion, as far as fit and finish, now Aero makes some good decent guns, but they don't cost $2500(what my lmt cost). Don't get me wrong the LMT shoots fine, but so does my 3 Aero Persicion bulds I put together on my kitchen table.
@@justanotherinternetexpert7743I've not had any of those issues-or any issues at all-I run KAC light rigs and LMT heavy rigs and I've run them all. YMMV.
@The DFC I am glad you got some good guns, I did not. I talked to a few people on the lwrc forum I belong to, and they had similar issues. One thing I will ask you, have you ever compared a LMT or KAC to a LWRC or POF-USA rifle?
Gen 3 psa 10 probably net same results but lighter and 1/7 the cost
lmfao
@@rustys.1070He's technically right. Actually range results and testing between expensive and inexpensive firearms are often literally identical. You can do it for yourself actually. Go get yourself a PSA and a DD,LMT,HK or whatever expensive option you want. Then go to the range and compare results. Gotta love science.
@@Washyourbellybutton lmfao
lmfao
Similar results, not so similar reliability/durability🤷🏼♂️
MAC, what do you think about the SA Saint Victor AR 10 .308?
I have an early MR762 and an LMT 556.
I think it would be worth trying some 155 FGMM. The 155 inside of 1,000y makes more sense. Compare drop and drift charts and you see it shoots flatter with pretty much the same wind. Less time in the air as well.
I’ve got $4200 in a decked out dd5v3 with 3x15 viper..bipod..stock..light ..brake and i honestly say it’s a 3/4” gun with some tighter than that…I’m usually just a 1.5” shooter..I shoot at 20oz lids I fashioned into cardboard at 100yrds and put 5rds on one…hard to do that with a bolt gun…btw get that 110 kit from copper and at least show it off..
I chose H&K mr762 with an NF atacr on top I just bought extra parts because of the proprietary thing.
Are you still partial to the Tavor 308 bullpup for a battle rifle?
Wanted HK, but, due to mags and barrel options, I went with LMT. The only thing I don’t like about these ar 10 platforms, maybe it’s just lmt, I would like to shoot mostly m80, cheaper bullets, out of a chrome lined barrel. The 147-149 grains typically perform better with a slower twist rate. Lmt doesn’t make chrome lined barrels with slower twist rate. Only their SS options have the 1:11.25. Their chrome lined barrels are all 1:10.
Money not being an issue I’d pick the HK.
But in reality it is which is why I only have a PTR 91 A3S for my 308 rifle. Set up with the wide hand guard and HK bi pod. A crap ton of magazines for it and a couple thousand rounds of the MKE ZQi ammo 7.62x51 which I got all from local Walmart’s back in the day for .50 cents a round. My next rifle in this caliber with probably be the Ruger.
If money wasn't an issue, I'd pick a HK PSG-1 a semi-auto actually classified as a "sniper rifle".
"Drug the rifles out here to see" Even Rob Ski doesn't drag guns any more 😂
Although no longer made, how does the Colt Modular Carbine (308) stack up against these?
Should do a value comparison - low to high:
* Value - PSA PA10
* Budget - Ruger SFAR
* Main - Daniel Defense DD5v3 or v4
* Military - LMT or HK
* Gucci - LWRC
Or something similar. Compare weight, warranty, accuracy, reliability, etc.
Curious about the durability and life of that HK barrel? Which of those two will blow out first?
the HK barrel will last 4x as long as the lmt one
Like HKs of course but have a couple of LMTs, and multiple barrels. 7.62, 260Rem, 6.5CR.
You should try sierra matchking 150gr/155gr - they will shoot halv moa all day long, ive never got my HK rifle to shoot good with higher weight bullets.
I love my mars and MWS. In saying that LMT since they moved and ramped up contract development , their qc has been rough for the civilian market . Purchased a 20 inch barrel for my mars and finally got it working after it was sent to me brand new with a shifted gas tube that was causing hot black hills ammo to barely cycle. Gun felt like an airsoft gun until we fixed it
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The Sig MCX Spear in .308 falls into the same price range. I would like to see how it compares to these two OG battle rifles.😊
Umm yeah, then theres the XM7, which costs around $7k and its a .308 and not even chambered for .277 Fury yet... I'll stick with the HK for that price.
do they have faster twist rate barrels that would do better?.. or at least longer barrels?
The lmt actually has ammo supplied in the British military that is specifically designed for the rifles twist rate and barrel length, 155 grain
Curious why you didn’t add a knight’s SR-25 to this Mac!!!
Looked at both of these but ended up with a DD5V4 for adjustable gas block and 18" bbl
Same here. It’s the “cheapest” rifle I felt would be 100% reliable.
It came down to these two rifle back in 2015 and I chose the LMT but I've always regretted it and wish I had got the HK instead.
I think the HK is better looking, better built overall, and I made a big mistake in not choosing it. 😞
My LMT averages 1 1/4" groups at 100 but has grouped 3/4" in some cherry picked groups with 175 gr Gorilla ammo.
Tim, I remember your 1st HK MR 762 with that Leupold scope.
Damn, that rifle was incredibly accurate and would outshoot any AR-10 I've ever seen! 👍
Funny you say that..I also narrowed down to these two but I went with the HK and don’t get me wrong I’m extremely happy but there’s that constant nagging voice saying…what if..maybe I’ll have to buy the LMT to satisfy that feeling who knows lol
@@pilotincommand85 Hell, I would still like to buy the HK too but I hear they're currently banned from the good ol' USA. 👎 I really love JP also and actually think they're the best looking ARs ever made but the one I want is $5,000.00 + for the rifle alone. 🤦♂
@@Sagittariustoo don’t quote me but I don’t think they are banned. I got my HK this past December in the Dallas area..I think they did try to restrict import of certain configurations but still plenty available. PSA is selling the LRP package now in stock
@@pilotincommand85 Thanks for the information; I heard they were banned from a couple sources here on RUclips and we know how reliable that can be, lol. I need to start checking things out better than automatically believing something here on RUclips.
You chose right man! I own both rifles....both are great rifles, the HK has the cool "German" factor and now in days is harder to find but also at the same time, parts are harder to come by and SUPER over priced! both shoot really good, are accurate, but I prefer my made in the USA LMT !!! just the fact that you have the barrel change and conversion and SR25 mags....LMT all the way!
I'll choose the Type A MSR or PWS MK216
Type-A is an awesome rifle
Had to watch this in private so my DD5V3 didn’t catch me cheating.
Hk just cause.... however I own the Ruger SFAR, that you broke in on your channel and it is awesome!!
My MARS-H is my favorite rifle to shoot. Honestly, if it wasn't for ammo price, I'd pick it over my MARS-L almost every time, chonky weight and all. I have an NZ contract surplus barrel, 20" SS barrel, and accuracy is excellent compared to every other rifle I have but it's picky on what ammo it likes, in temrs of accuracy. But it cicles almost everything except for the hottest .308.
Nice 👍
I would love the HK, with or without the long range package. At this point though I would just like to get an AR-10 so maybe the SFAR is what I will end up with.
I’ve shot the H&K and would not even fathom trading my Sig716i for it. Shoot MOA with XM80. Not only accurate but it’s a lightweight tank.
why do all these fake cope comments read exactly the same lol
Prolly one of those guys that buy the most expensive rifle thinking it’ll make them a solid shooter lol
@ZMan0718 lmt and sig cap out at 600 yards. That's good for your lower tier type but I have to hit at least at 1000 yards
LMT has recently been adopted by Swiss Special Operations (known as STGW 20).
How would the KAC SR25 E2ACC do compared to these??????????????????
Have a LMT in 308 & 6.5CM; love it but a hog in weight vs newer non AR-10 308’s
I built an LMT AR10 with all lmt parts, including a SS 16 inch barrel, the ambi lower, and the monolithic m-lok upper. The only thing different from a factory mws was that I went with the b5 SOPMOD stock instead of LMTs overpriced SOPMOD. All together, it cost me about $2500, saving me about 1k. It's been reliable and shoots about 1moa with match ammo, but is way too heavy, coming in at over 13 lb with a scope and bipod. The ruger definitely looks interesting by comparison. Even the DD, and Sig Tread seem like they would be lighter and a better value.
SFAR baby!
LWRC REPR needs more screen time :P
Where can I get a handguard like the one on the H&k
You should throw the reeper and kac in that mix
Should test against a Larue and a Knights
HK vs Repr?
Need to include MCX Spear
LaRue PredatOBR
My ruger 762 shoots the fed premium 175 gr sub MOA at 100 yards. 5 shot group.
why no sr25? out of all the rifles on your channel I can't recall anything knights?
I’d go HK it looks the more up to date of the two
I have a gen 3 psa with a 20 inch Gorilla machining 308 barrel seems to work fine
Tbh I think I'll save my money and go with the POF revolution which I could get in either DI or piston so it could be set up either style for less than half the cost of the HK LRP and a solid 1.5-2k less than the LMT. Not only that but when mentioning the Ruger SFAR it competes in size and weight with the Ruger. That said I'd take the Ruger in a heartbeat too because I've had great luck with the 556 model being fairly accurate with a fixed FSB esp in the role of a patrol/combat carbine. Right now I'm saving for the POF and whem the my lgs can get an SFAR in again I'll def pick one up to play with. The Rev is gonna be my hog rifle for sure though. Got a can I'm waiting on final approval for that will be right at home on it.
$7000?? I thought $1000 for my DPMS LR-308 was too much when i got it a decade ago 😂
DPMS have great rifles.
The good thing about the LMT is you can build one for prolly half that.
And the LMT requires a T30 bit and a torque wrench to install a barrel. Literally adult legos lol
The standard mr762 without the scope and bipod and case drops down to 3500
I got mine DPMS LR-308 in 2017 for $650 new and got ODIN'S work hands hard and brake 7 is all it needed. 👍
I’d go LMT for the money especially if there were unsuppressed cycling issues with the hk.
barrel swap on the lmt... but who doesn't covet an HK? I have a first gen MWS so im biased, but I would really miss swapping barrels at a rang day. I also had an early ring issue and was treated VERY well by lmt.
Hello Tim! And what's about the RobArms? I destroy them with a RA, .308, 1/10 twist, 100 meters, 175gr BTHP! Greetings!
Lmt all day. If u wanna convert to piston u can. But the barrel
Swap alone was enough for me to get the lmt.
Hell yeah love .308 in general!! Really do love Lewis Machine and Tool though=)
I have the Larue version and it shoots better groups than both of these with many versions of top quality factory loads. It's heavy though.
Love the H&K Mr762x51 but I would go with LMT!! Both companies are renown for quality but comes to personal preference! LMT for me
but performance of the HK is just a lot better! personal preference be damned
LMT all the way. Never had an issue with my MWS.
Daniel Defense DD5 V5 6.5 Creedmore 20"