The SCAR 20S vs. HK MR762A1 LRP with IV8888
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Eric and I shoot the SCAR 20S (his) head to head with my HK MR762A1 LRP and share our thoughts.
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Man it would be great if youtube let me know about these videos being that I'm subscribed
You can increase the chances they’ll notify you if you hit the little bell icon next to the subscribe button. RUclips is doing everything they can to make things difficult.
Also make sure you notifications are turned on for RUclips in your phone or computer settings🤤👍
@@Militaryarmschannel yeah for sure have the bell. It happens with all the 2a stuff but i think we all already knew that. It's just weird that its random.
@@derbsmcbergs It doesn't happen only with "2a stuff". It's just RUclips shitting itself constantly. I remember when I had notifications about new videos on a channel I have not even subscribed...
DerbsMcBergs So you’re saying that EVERY other thing you’re subscribed to, you get notifications for? I sure as hell don’t for all my cooking, music pages. Manufactroversy much?
I think I’m too poor to even watch this video
Dont expose us like that XD
It's okay. You're not missing much
I know as soon as I saw this my wallets stomach was growling... 😅😢😭
They dont get the big bucks if they dont promote really expensive guns...
For real honestly I have a m82 and a 20s and I think “damn I can’t afford another high price gat” haha no joke
They looked like one REALLY long rifle at first
Glad i wasn’t the only one seeing the 40” scar haha
I thought the same man. I said holy shit WTF is that!
I was wondering why it had two lowers like that
That's what I saw too.
Yup...me too. i thought it required 2 bipods due to it's weight, lol.
Just a thought, you might do a series of "RUclips Range Visits" where you go visit various RUclipsrs and their ranges. Do an interview, discuss their challenges in setting up a range... Etc... Maybe visit their local gun shop. Might be interesting.
i would watch that !
I can think of one particular gun youtuber I'd like to not see show...And no its not MAC..
@@wReid-ts8bc I'm pretty sure we all could. But honestly, who Tim visits should really be up to him.
Bob, that's a great idea, I'd even like to see a tour of their collections (even though I realize they might not want to show what they have.)
Went and picked up my SCAR 17 today, my LGS employee told me the other day a guy brought in a SCAR 20 and asked them to install a 100 bucks Holosun optic on it 😂 they almost had a collective heart attack
I put a 100 dollar optic on my scar 17 day 1 of getting it, lol. I then put in for an Elcan. Pay once, cry once
I really like when 2a youtubers get together. Yall should do this more often
You had me at 308. Dropping groups to 1k yards is impressive. Ringing steel at a mile... You guys are Savages! Much love y'all!
I remember that hk. You shot it with the m1 garand at that outdoor range with the wood bench enclosure you used to film at a lot back in the day.
When I was in my 20's and 30's I had a M77 in 7mag that with the load I worked up for it I could consistently put 3 shots touching out to 150m.....
Although these days since I said farewell to my 40's long ago, I'm 62, I've found it a considerable hardship to hold even a 1 minute group with my 3 minute shake....
😱😛😜😃
And it's been 10 years since the last time I was able to put 2 rds out of 3 through the same hole of a 1 inch group @ 200 yds..😱
Even a couple of times in a days shooting.....
God but it sucks to get old❗❗😱😵😕
So guys, enjoy it while you can.....
We ALL lose it in the end❗⁉❓😛😜😃
Both are without a doubt excellent and proven DMRs, but I'm excited about the lightweight battle-rifle potential of the POF Revolution. I'd like to see how IV8888 and MAC critique it given their knowledge and experience.
The pof revolution is better than both of these. The pof p415 is the only gun that couldn't be stopped by erics torture tests. It was still running after 2500+ rounds. They make quality stuff.
SCAR 20S just looks huge. LOL!
gar2chan it’s really not putting both in your hands you expect both to be heavier but they are super light for their size
SCARs are light compared to other 308s for sure. But the 20 is noticeably heavier than the 17 (as is should be with the 20 inch barrel). I think it’s about 11 pounds naked.
I didn’t find it unusually long though. It’s a really nice semi auto precision rifle. I don’t think it stays on target better than SR25 derivatives though. Go shoot a KAC or LMT MWS. They’re HEAVY, but they stay on target really well. Kind of pros and cons of the different platforms.
They are, heavy as hell too. You don’t wanna lug one of those around. Def a great rifle, but the price just kills it. No way, 4 to 8 grand on a heavy ass rifle? It’s an iconic favorite yes. But I can’t justify buying one for the price. Sooo many other great rifles at that cost.
By the time you add a few things to a 17s you have to start thinking how you are going to change it up to get it to be light again. I own a 17 and have never touched a 20. I don’t have to touch it to tell it’s heavier. I am happy with my 17. I lucked out and got a Tavor 7 in November of 2019 before the craziness and while it is handy, it’s still a tad heavier than my scar. I bought my scar in 2011 when they could be had for 2800 out the door. The price has steadily went up. None are as ergonomic or light as my BCM Recce 16 but the scar 17 is more accurate with a bigger punch. I like them all but I can’t see the benefit for a 20s when it comes to being practical. I have bolt guns that are way more accurate than any semi so I will stick with what I have.
I've seen one in person. Guns always LOOK way bigger in a video than they actually are. SCARs especially. I think the problem is I'm taller than Eric, so when I see Eric with a gun it looks big, but when I see MAC with a gun it looks tiny because he's 6'4.
LMT MRP uppers have been around for about 12 years, before Mlok or Key Mod. But, now they offer the MRP and MWS with Mlok. I have a MRP upper with Mlok, and although it works, the Mlok screws will prevent the barrel from being removed. The barrel extension will not make it past those screws.
What about with the Kinetic Dev Group QD rail sections?
I picked a 20S up this past February and absolutely love it. I passed up a 17S and were out of stock and now the 20S are hard to come by. The 17S are readily available now and may pick one up to add to the collection.
Still not an HK.
The rifle was $5,000 but hey it came with a hard case LMAO 😂
the FN? pshh...they give you a recyclable paper box...
Themayseffect ...yeah, no kidding. And then THEY’LL tell you “the $ went into the rifle” ha ha ha
The charging handle is substandard for sure but it’s a great rifle 🇺🇸
You figure they would give you at least 3 mags, instead of 1 for the Cost your paying
@@Jose-xm3tq I got two with mine
I always enjoy the videos when you two work together.
Great insight on both rifles.
MAC yes, IV8888 not so much for obvious reasons.
Thank you for pronouncing Leupold correctly! In my business, people struggle to correctly say 'Leupold', 'ambidextrous', 'Chiappa', 'Aguilla', 'Franchi', 'Sig Sauer', Heckler and 'Koch', etc.
It‘s not coke... its more co-hhhr. No such letters in english. Maybe we should stay with the translation which is cook... 😄
@Sheldon Robertson KEY-ah-pah
@Sheldon Robertson The difference is that Chiappa Firearms is an ITALIAN company, and they pronounce it KEY-Ah-Pah.
I hand load down to the .1 of a grain of powder and weight my bullets the same. Batches of 20. You can only get so accurate. Yes good equipment & loads get you farther.....it also stretches time in flight which = time for induced variance. "Calculations get longer"
Great video guys. I'd like to see them rifles get pushed to 1,500 yards👊
Extension rails worked well for me. Love my 17,SCAR heavy.
7:40 WOW, that's amazing how you can see the rounds in flight on camera, and damn, that's a lot of drop!
That's not the round, that's the trace left by the bullet.
I really love the content you two put together. Keep up the good work, guys!
I own a HK MR762, man, that rifle shoots beautifully. Geisselle now also sells MLOK Rail for MR762, and that is nice.
I'm sure these are great firearms, but I'm really excited to see how well the Barrett REC10 does with the 20" barrel. The 16" version is already out and is cheaper than both, I hope since Barrett has military contracts it can compare to other great .308 DMR style rifles.
Agreed. I think it'll also be interesting to see how the REC10 compares to the tried and true SR-25 (Or M110K for us LARPers), since they seem to really have the most in common with each other.
If Barrett can deliver on the same performance as the marquee top end AR10S (KAC, LMT 308, etc) with the known quantity of their name behind it, and at a better price, I think they may have a real winner.
I keep getting tempted to buy a scar 17s but I want the bren 308 more.
Grave Zero buy both 🤷♂️
But what about the B&T APC308?
@@Mrgone454 Depends on who controls Congress.
You nuts. Scar 17, never heard anyone complain about one.
I don’t think the Bren 308 will ever be available for civilians in the US. Just buy a Larue, they’re super accurate.
I dont see what the scar does that a HIGH END AR-10 Can not do just as good or better, for half the price. I mean I would still buy it if I had money to waste, but otherwise I am happy with my two Ar-10 style rifles. One is even a piston. I really want to get a LMT MWS, to go with my lmt mrp.
I’ll just stay in my peasant lane with my ar10 :(
Nothin wrong with staying within budgets.. And you get 12 dollar mags if they're on sale. 50 for scar 100 for some mr762 mags. And a good barrel on an ar10 will shoot plenty well
You can do 95% of what these rifles can do you spent $1000-$2000 they spent $5-$8k just to get that itty bitty extra accuracy, which for all intents and purposes is useless in any real life scenario you might encounter as a civilian.
Exactly I have been shooting since I was 5 years old and I have gotten very good at shooting and a scar and especially the Hk can not do what I am capable of and a 2000 dollar ar10 will I hate almost every Hk gun exsept the vp9 that's an ok gun the scar is overrated it beats the hell out of every optic why would I want to trash my optic on a 3800 dollar gun when a ar10 doesn't and recoils so much smoother
@@spectormartin790 what tf are you talking about
Well these guns are like exotic cars. Not everyone can afford them but everyone would love to have them in their safe. Of course just like Lamborghini or Ferrari can take you from point A to B Toyota or Hyundai can do the same. Similar concept applies here as well, same target can be hit with regular AR-10 as well as with these guns. Unless, you really want to just have these guns in your collection there's no real reason why you would need these over AR-10 or other less expensive options.
I never wanna stop watching your videos. Keep the good info my friend
Just got the HK mr762a1. I have never handled a more sturdy gun.
Isn't it too heavy?
I wish CZ would release their version of this based on the bren BR 2 .308 to the public. I've heard of it available to law enforcment. But I am an LEO and I'm not able to get it through my department. (I run the firearms department at my PD)
$8000 rifle,$80 shooting bench. COMMON MAN
You missed the opportunity to call bullseye repeatedly lol. No one could actually see the round strike. Loved the video as always. Waiting for you to hit your first million!
I think it's called a "SCAR Heavy (SCAR-H)" because it is chambered in 7.62, while the "SCAR Light (SCAR-L)" is so called for its being chambered in 5.56. The SCAR Heavy to my knowledge is not called so because if the barrel weight and/or length.
Indonesia has developed the same rifle as FN SCAR H 7.62mm named PINDAD SS3.
It is based on Pindad SS2 5.56mm an improvement of SS1 (licenced production of FN FNC).
FYI, Pindad SS2 has won many regional Army shooting competition like AASAM for 12 times winner in Australia, AARM among ASEAN members, BISAM in Brunei.
0:11 at first I was like, goddamn, that rifle has a 40" barrel, then realized it was another rifle behind and forward of the SCAR.
Also, yes I thought about shooting my 50 on a long distance powerline range one time. Then I figured my luck I would send a round and some kid would come flying by on a dirt bike near the target a couple miles out and an API round would split his head open like a book.
My vote goes to the HK. If I need a 20" gun I'll buy a bolt action in a bigger caliber.
Bill Geissele makes phenomenal triggers, they are the only triggers I like to run in my AR rifles. The SSA-E is perfect, a one stage that acts like a two stage, and it shows when you shoot for accuracy
The MR762/CSAS does have an MLOK forend (option) now. At the time the HKey system was developed, MLOK had not won “the battle” yet. The HKey system was HK’s improvement to KeyMod. Get a Geisele or Midwest Ind. MLOK forend, or use the HK pic rail segments for HKey ....
I watch the 10:04 and immediatly think back at the instructor nudging the back of my head with the boot saying: "Keep a grip of that handguard, you arent shooting a damned bolt action"
i'd love to have either rifle in a SHTF situation. but i've always like H&K top products
I like what he said at the end about the shooter, most shooters are not 1 moa shooters. I know that i have my off days where im not a 1 moa shooter and then i have my on days where all my groups are clover leafs (with my bolt gun, not an AR10)
@Military Arms Channel. The barrel Eric is mentioning is Deadshot. They offer the 6.5CM for both the 17s and the 20s.
Thank you guys for sharing
"Modern" platforms are way more accurate than the outdated designs... (Mac opens up rifle case and pulls out the Definitive Arms vepr 308)...
Well, technically the same could be said for AR platform
We should get a revisit video. ACR VS SCAR
Great video. I was just poking around looking at 308 semi-auto's that are most accurate. Your comment about having a hard time getting parts for the SCAR 20S is a very big deal to me. I would hate to drop the big dime on that nice weapon but not be able to fix it in a timely manner if it broke. Thanks much.
I have a SCAR 17 with KDG rail, Handl M110/SR25 Mod 2 lower and love it, I'll buy the SCAR 20 when it has a Mlok Rail & offer it in 6.5 creedmore! but FN is way behind the curve so we won't see that for 20 years, I hated the stock SCAR mags, mag Flore plate fell off on the first range trip!
Thanks, guys for the Video!
As someone who will never own either, the H&K takes the cake, for me.
Awesome. Perfect EDC.
Eric looking at MAC like if he was explaining the physics of a worm hole eating a sun
French Army just selected the SCAR-H PR to replace FR-F2 as DMR gun.😉
But the stock is the regular SCAR-H stock.
Deadshot barrels will re-barrel a 20S to 6.5CM
I asked him about a few weeks ago and he said he doesn't do the SCAR 20S barrels.
I have the Geissele match trigger with it adjusted to 2.5lb total weight. 1.5lb on the first and 0.5 on the second & it truly is the best trigger money can buy.
I understand this accuracy argument too, as far as shooters arguing about half minute guns etc. I watch people fail the USMC rifle qual every year with the M27 (USMC HK416) while dudes will shoot high shooter with a worn out M4. It's why I tell people the free floated barrel is nice, but it's not some magic tool that's going to make people shoot wildly better.
The only HK that I have so far is a VP9. I would love to get more HKs in my arsenal, but first I want to buy an original M1 Garand and a PSA AKV with the infamous MAC bracket.
John Dickinson civilian marksmanship program
Got my M1 Garand from the CMP and it’s awesome. Receiver was made in Oct 1944. Definitely worth it! HKs get addictive though. Started with a USP40, then a VP9T, then a HK45CT, then I traded the VP9T for a P30L and I plan on getting a VP9 again as a project gun. Still want a USP45 and a Mk23. And a P2000sk in 40sw. It’s an expensive hobby lol
Pennsylvania represent with Geislle
Hey Eric, check out the Scalarworks Leap mount.
This friendly rivalry brings out great pros and cons
I was just re-watching the Mr762 video yesterday lol
Thank you.
Deadshot Barrels-Cole Jolliff
Both so expensive. But both so cool.Eric has a point that you cant really build a SCAR like you can an AR pattern rifle. I think I would rather have a small pile of BCMs and shotguns instead for the equivalent price lmao
Triggertech deserves some reviews and attention for offering high end triggers for a decent price.
You Boys need to review a JP LRP-07
if i were to choose one RIGHT NOW it would be the MR762 because it has been adopted by some countries as theyr DMR. The scar 20s seems pretty much equal but i tend to trust battle proven weapons more. Since i am italian i have my eyes pointing at the arx200 but that's different.
Is there an accurized or in any other way improved dmr variant of Arx200?
@@kalapuikko666 The italian army uses an 18' barrel arx200 with a better stock, silencer and Intelligent Combat Sight from steiner. They say that with theyr sako ammo they can get 1 MOA accuracy. If you search "arx200 dmr" on google image you will find it
Ive got a GA Precision GAP G2. Thats my 308 rifle of choice for that style of shooting. Also has a geissele 2 stage.
I was listening to this in the back ground when at 6:02 he adjusted the cheek rest. It made my heart skip a beat.
Also, for the first minute i thought i was looking at a SCAR with a 40 inch barrel.
Could we get a comparison with the Knights SR25 as well?
Here in Germany we can buy the MR308 A3 (MR762 Version 3).
And got mine for 3k.. :D
@@arvidk7001 when you find a good dealer, in germany, u can buy a mr308 for 2200-2500 Euro.
Love the FN SCAR, but the MR762 is nice aswell. Both great rifles.
I have a $1300 Armalite with an adjustable gas block AR-10 in 308. The thing is pretty outstanding. The price of this scar is "off putting" to say the least. Especially for a caliber I just don't have a use for anymore.
So, I bought a HK MR762 in May of this year for $3740. Why is the LRP version almost 3K more? I can't add up the difference. Not even close. Any ideas people? The LRP seems like an absolute rip off albeit the stock is very cool and I like the FDE rail, but no way does this account for the price difference.
Actually, HK uses the original AR10 buffer tube. Other companies cheap out with AR15 size tubes.
I think a better choice than the SCAR 20 is to purchase a 20" 6.5 Creedmoor SCAR 17 barrel from Deadshotbarrels. I did, and it's an excellent barrel, pricey though -- a thousand bucks for a barrel WITH a factory gas block installed (and you have to buy a piston and gas regulator yourself -- or just use the ones from your factory 308 barrel).
Amazing DMR but man there so expensive cool video good job.
The head tilting when peeping through the sight, is not conducive for good performance. Nor is flexing the wrist of the trigger hand. Any technique is good, except the bad ones... But the ergonomic, physiological way of shooting with precision is with a straight line of the forearm. It can be hard to combine the straight neck with the straight forearm in the prone position, but slight deviations are tolerated, though the adjustability and modularity of modern rifles should allow you to minimize those imperfections in technique - if you know what a good technique is. Otherwise adjustability might just trick you into conserving poor technique
Ive recently picked up a new Hk Mr762 and the new ones are a lot better. The trigger on mine feels great! Definitely not like a milspec ar trigger. The longer mlok forearm is also a huge improvment.
I would be curious to see how the S&W M&P 10 against these 2... 1/4 of the price.
Put at proof research barrel on it and a geissle trigger and you'll be still cheaper lighter and tons more accurate the fn and Hk especially are so overrated people can trash American made all they want but we still got the best and most
Spector martin I’m an HK fanboy, but you can’t deny that the Smith and Wesson is the best deal.
Put a Geissele in your MR762 (try to find it one on sale). I put one in my MR762SD this spring and it made such a huge difference. It's by far my favorite long range rifle that I've shot
The price and parts availability problem knocks the SCAR out for me. I’d go with a quality AR 10.
A 20S ended up in my local gun shop by mistake today. The shop ordered a 17S and a 20S came in its place. The shop manager messaged me to come to the shop to see something special. He would not tell me what it was, but to just come and see. I went to the shop and walked in 5 feet and I saw it. I tried the trigger and my jaw dropped open. I looked at my buddy that told me to come by and I said I am taking it. I do not think it was in the store for more than 45min.
I wish I could buy guns like this in Singapore that would be so cool and fun to shoot.
HK has had that keymod lookin thing way before keymod or mlock. Thank yall for the vids. That leopold scope is a military contract thing. U.S. OPTICS top doggy.
I would love to own either rifle. My bank account, and my wife, say NO.
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Put her on the streets
Mac, I have the new MR 762 a1 and the initial series of the MR 762 A1. The first HK I put a 450 dollar Geissele HK Trigger In it (worth every penny). The new HK MR 762 a1 now only comes with a 2 stage trigger and a keymod Rail. They no longer produce the quad rail (😱)....🤣...JUST AND FYI....Cheers. I love the Scar heavy and am waiting to buy the Scar 20. Cheers! Doc david
first time i realized how big tim is lol, makes eric look like a little fella
the HK any day Maybe put a giselle trigger on it done SOCOM ditched the SCAR and replaced it with HK
I still will keep my FNAR, I have Real good scope on it, man it has performed for years. It has one of the smoothest actions. I am not to big on the latest greatest stuff unless it feels and shoots better than what I have. I have had a few AR 10s, but go back to the FNAR.
Battle Rifles are in a weird spot right now. They’re either way over priced but up to military standards or they’re inexpensive but you’ll need spare parts available as it beats itself to death.
It would be great to have a modern battle rifle that is built for the common man. It would probably be about 2K.
The PTR-91's are often $900 or less at times, they run just fine, parts are available, mags, etc.. not over priced at all. The C-308's which have PTR receivers are a hit or miss and seen some really good examples and some really poor ones. I'd had one of the older Century Arms CETME imports that ran me $500, 5,000+ rounds later and it was still going strong. Sold it when Obama got into office, got $800 for it.
There are some other alternative mil-surp options. But most modern rifles are as you say. Though some of the newer AR-10's out there are showing a lot of promise on price and performance.
Christopher I agree but unfortunately the Fals, G3s, M14 and other battle rifles aren’t usually friendly to optics and other modern ergos. AR -10s are getting better but I believe a lot of the reviewers find that they have common parts that just break fairly prematurely compared to their little brothers: extractors, bolt catches, and sometimes even trigger components when hit by the bolt.
@@Guardian2A Well the PTR's have welded rails so no need for proprietary claw mounts anymore. FAL's beat optics to pieces just like SCAR's do, and M14's are iffy... A potential alternative is get one of those Remington 750/7500 series guns, put a good optic on it, get the aftermarket 10 round mags, and you can get it in .270, .30-06, .308, or .243 Winchester.
All of these are nice toys that would be neat to have, but I think I'll be just fine with my old M1.
Better spend the money on cartridges and training.
It's quite shocking how pricey the MR762 is in the US. Over here they run for about twentyfivehundred bucks, which is quite a bargain, considering that guns like the Savage MSR 10 oder Windham AR10 are around twothousand and the FNs are unobtainable for some reason.
@MAC You might want to consider an UHL MR308 trigger. Don't know about availability in the US and they are not cheap (as is everything Made in Germany), but they certainly help to unveil the MR762's true potential.
Scar 20 looked badass..
You need to do a video on the knight's LAMG man!
Tim, are you ever not sick?
As always awesome review video Sir 👍👍👍.If possible want to see KAC LAMG in 6.5CM and 7.62mm in future 🙏.
Lmt has an mlok version of the MRP
I’m not gonna lie I spent the first 30 seconds thinking that was a 40” Scar with two optics haha
Me too ! 😶
One of the few remaining channels I'll watch. Everything else has turned in to a paid commercial
I know they are doing the scar 20 in 6.5 Creedmore. I would love to see the scar 17 with Creedmore as well.
Looks crazy shooting the target amongst power pylons. Is it legal?
Sure, that range is propably very strict about rapid fire though.