As an autistic guy, my experience with most autistic people is that we may not be able to pick up on more subtle cues, but you tell us what your clearly defined boundaries we are in a way that leaves nothing to interpretation, we can understand them. An autistic person who continues to push even after those boundaries are clearly defined generally knows exactly what they’re doing.
plus with autism not really being understood completely by the masses, he can ultimately hide behind the neurodivergencey and only further fuel the media and right wing's negative view of us
Right, but everyone has equal responsibility in their friendships & relationships. It takes 2 to tango. Unless this was her boss/ coworker, she could’ve just told him “I’m too busy to be friends now & will reach out if I free up” or say she got a bf/ gf or outright block him
As another autistic person who god removed all the points in Hypo Empathy for a better build resulting in Hyper Empathy, boundaries are one of those things I respect to a fault. It’s basically being finally given rules for these specific interactions with this specific person that would otherwise continue to be unsaid and causing accidental hurt that in turn hurts me. Anyone weaponizing their autism to deliberately disrespect boundaries is a jackass and you should remove them from your relationships
@@scarletsletter4466which person are you talking about, because it sounds like at least some of his accusers did set boundaries with him and he ignored them.
My sister's roommate in freshman year of college took a single psych class, decided my sister was autistic, and then harrassed her every day for the entire 8 months that they lived together about it. Not in a derogatory way, of course, but in that faux-ally way that Toaster is doing. Here's the thing: my sister probably IS autistic, but now refuses to get any sort of diagnosis because of that roommate. It's incredibly damaging to push diagnoses onto others.
This guy texts exactly like the grown men that slid into my dms when I was 12... he's also so self flattering in his manipulation it's so weird. He frames every relationship with a woman like they want him just as bad but are "holding themselves back" 🤢🚩
@@Beenus2622 Dude sounds like Chris-Chan and their literal "looking for a boyfriend-free girlfriend" signs and Pick-Up Artist scammers were dude's role models.
I knew he reminded me of something oddly specific. It's like the creepy people from old RP forums who wanted to do ERP and didn't think "I'm 13" was a good enough reason not to, and who then started to get upset and guilt trippy both in DM's and in the group chats. The way he complains about being viewed as a man and not getting physical contact from women I thought he was a very girly femboy or something, but no he even has a full on beard. Like obviously they view you like a guy? Also if a woman they didn't feel comfortable around was that pushy I'm sure the "girlies" would be just as uncomfortable. Just why is this guy like this, and can he pls stop
he feels like the worst impersonation possible of the "No. But what if? 👉🥺👈" Or however that is supposed to look. It's always "I care so much for you, but let's ignore that and focus on ME and how I feel. Don't like that? Let me just emotionally manipulate you until you feel bad for me and don't want to say no. Don't want to hang out with me? That's fine no-one else does either, so I'm used to it, I'm just gonna sit here ALONE and wait." I almost wonder if he got incorrectly diagnosed and is actually Narcissistic, by his standards of 1 trait = diagnosis then he probably is. I'm also curious if he ever got professionally diagnosed or not.
@@jamesvalkyrie7469 to be honest, some professionals don't actually know anything about autism. That's the only thing i agree with; autistic people are more likely to understand autism, than neurotypical professionals. Still, that doesn't make it so that they can just diagnose anyone with autism lol
@nomypfpisnotanimeitsffxiv3689 Yeah, from what I've heard, autism diagnoses can be hard to get because many people still view autism as this little tight bubble of symptoms instead of the vast spectrum it is.
@@jamesvalkyrie7469 I mean I probably know more than actual professionals since they tend to misdiagnose people a lot and I’m pretty sure I have autism, but I don’t go around diagnosing others with it
@@kitzune2392 Precisely. I was diagnosed after a single meeting with the people who were supposed to talk me through it. They literally just dropped the bomb on me without any preparation. I hated myself for roughly four years before thinking ''man its whatever'' Now I'm happy with my autism; but i'd much rather trust a neurodivergent doctor with neurodivergent diagnosis
Its so funny that the guy who was the loudest voice advocating for a twitch feature that ignored the streamer's consent/approval HAS BOUNDRY ISSUES. What A Shock.
He absolutely snowed in on all of this because he thought it might be useful. They way he talks about them being case studies reminds me of a reddit post where someone admitted to being "really good at manipulating people" and got surprised when they were called out for sounding like an edgy 13 yo, and not really very sympathetic at all
It’s fascinating that he does seem to pick up on social cues that indicate someone is not interested in being friends with him, but decides they’re doing that because of some mysterious reason, rather than just accepting they don’t like him
I understand his desperation to be wanted and included, i struggle with that, but he really needs to seek therapy and realize that no one owes him anything. The harder he pushes and the more he's avoided. His obsessively pushing autism is gross and makes me think he's not ASD at all, just your average self entitled predator using a label to excuse his behavior. Though tbh nothing drives me more crazy than someone using hints instead of just being upfront. I'm also guilty of this and get annoyed at myself xD
It's also not inclusion in general he seems to be after. He wants to be physically included with a bunch of women that he seems to like in one way or another. It's not that he's just socially awkward and looking for friends, but he's demanding things from the people he's specifically interested in. Now I don't know what actually happened, but I wonder if the person who allegedly pressured him into transitioning told him that if he wanted to be treated like one of the girlies he needed to commit or something like that. Which is still not a great thing to say, but with all the stuff out about him I wonder if he's spinning it in his favor. I agree about the ASD stuff, with him thinking he knows better I wonder if he tried fishing for an ASD diagnosis but didn't get it, then decided to self diagnose and tricked himself into thinking that professionals were crap.
I'm about half an hour in and it's already so uncomfortable. I've dealt with several people like that throughout my life and used to be an extreme people pleaser (no I'm kind of a b-word LMAO) and let me tell you, these people are SO exhausting to be around. Aka people who psychoanalyze, gaslight you, continuously push your boundaries in one way or another, constantly twist things to make them seem trustworthy etc and then play victim and get defensive when you finally do speak out against them. I still sometimes have a hard time saying no, but THANK GOODNESS do I get fed up with people's BS quickly now and say it straight away. Much love to all of people who had tod deal with him.
He says he finds it hot. So it's probably a turn on or fetish thing for him at this point. Which kinda makes it worse, and the bit about him finding it hot doesn't sound like a joke because he says it quite a few times in situations where a joke wouldn't make much sense. I'm not sure if it's an exact quote, but there's something in there like "And she's autistic which you know I find incredibly hot" like that doesn't sound like a joke to me. So it's almost like he wants to make people hotter to himself and I don't really get that
Tbf twitch’s team seems to be full of office politics, backroom deals, and favoritism. To the point of hurting their bottom line. Toaster continuing to be an ambassador isn’t a surprise to me at all and his behavior is an honest representation of the company’s values.
As someone with asd i hate how he pushes this and treat people who might have it like a baby basically all that just feels gross even if he has asd doesnt justify it
LMAOOO "I got my medication, forgot to pick it up and then moved" is the MOST ADHD statement you could've made. Love that the main treatment for ADHD is a prescription that's carefully monitored and you have to Remember to handle it. I drive my family nuts bc I just FORGET. ((CRYING)) ?? Like, the meds are life changing, but theyre SO HARD to get. I'm all for talking to your friends about their issues since I had no idea I had audhd till I was,, 26 ? (I thought I was Quirky 💅 ) But like, if they're uncomfortable, don't push it ?? omg.. This dude doesn't get boundaries..
As an Autistic/AuDHD afab person (nb now lmao) I've had MANY "friends" from men I've come across online. I've lost count of how many friends I've lost (or really, never had) because of them trying to be intimate with me or coerce me because I genuinely didn't know at the time. It's STILL hard because I haven't really had any strong friendships to determine that line of where to stop. I like sharing information about myself but my oversharing I guess comes off as flirting, as well as my tendency to type how I speak and use a lot of emojis to convey my emotion through text. It's been incredibly painful each and every time because I struggled to get along with girls and guys tended to have ulterior motives ,in my experience. Also in my experience other Autistic people have generally been safer (counting 2 friends that I know of for sure) because they're also explicit with their intentions and blunt. There has also never been any weird flirty vibes I get from other people (like trying to get me pet names or infantilizing me) - but using it as an excuse to break boundaries is disgusting and predatory and not related to Autism at all. Never. Start. A friendship. With the intention to be in a relationship. If you get feelings, be honesty. Don't try and blur the line or win someone over. Especially men to women and ESPECIALLY if the person you're trying to woo is Autistic. And BE OKAY with a no. I've had crushes on people I wouldn't ever be in a relationship with but I never made it weird, I'm just happy to be their friend at the end of the day. If your crushes are ruining friendships (in the sense that once you have a crush you NEED to be with them otherwise you don't want to be around them) you might need to look internally because it sounds like you were never looking for friendship in the first place.
I also just want to add on that I'm in a good place now with an amazing partner and some amazing friends that came along with him 🤍They all express sincere love to one another granted majority of them identify as het to my knowledge but that doesn't make me uncomfortable. I think it's genuinely really sweet and I wish I had what they had sooner - When it comes to people like Evil Toaster though you can't enter this kind of platonic love with them because it's always misconstrued and twisted to mean something else :( which is really unfortunate
I’ve also struggled with a lot of the things you mentioned:(it’s hard to be friends with anyone because they have ulterior motives to be with me intimately from the very beginning (I only know that because they’ve told me the reason they became my “friend” was to get in my pants). It really hurts because I trust people but constantly have people betray my trust. Or worse, people make fun of me behind my back for simply wanting to be nice to them and be friends. I’m very upfront with my thoughts and feelings, but people either don’t believe me or make fun of me for it. I’m glad you’ve found better people and I hope I will, too! I think a lot of society sees autistic afab people as “manic pixie dream girls” and forget that we are real people with feelings too.
I was in a similar situation. My friend would grill me for not talking with him enough when I'm very introverted and just don't have things to talk about. It started as a joke then it got really annoying because he wouldn't stop saying it.
Wow, I'm not even a quarter of the way into this, and he's insufferable. As a woman who also has difficulty saying no, this is really hard to watch, and I've been to a similar place.
I cannot tell you how many times Ive had to avoid this guy as teammate on overwatch ranked. Unfortunately none of this is all that surprising as sad as that is to say. Dude needs help
As someone on the autism spectrum, evil toaster messed up big time. Although I never heard of evil toaster, also never go onto twitch but pushing autism onto people is the worst way to go.
I need to say this, cause I didn't even known about this frog man, until there was a post going around on asking about who this frog pngtuber was. And a person responded with a clip on Aug 16 of said frog finding out about Trump being shot during a fighting game match. So after that and seeing all the stuff going out about him is wild to me! I went from not knowing about him to knowing a bit too much about him! Also hearing you talk about how woman are with being tested for certain things reminded me of one of my friends in highschool (2007 I believe?). This girl I knew had to go to a lot of bs to get diagnosed. Her parents thought they needed therapy, since she had a lot of emotional problems, but some days in the therapist told the parents, that maybe they needed to get diagnosed for something else, since they where showing signs from the other patients they see. From there it took 3-6 months to get something back, and she was just mad with all the back and forths and test. From there they where given a doctor, and said doctor gave them a pill to take, but it was making them very drowsy and depressed. 2 weeks in they couldn't take it any more and had to tell there parents that they where not helping. They go to the doctor about lowering it, and as the doctor looked at the bottle they realized they messed up really badly, and gave them a adult amount! Her parents where rightfully pissed off and when they got the right amount they asked there daughter if she wanted to risk taking the pills, cause yeah she went through a lot. She agreed and luckily they didn't effect her at all, but to get to that point was hell for her. I also need to be clear with this too. I had other friends who had ADHD and other things and the amount of times I heard them getting the wrong pill or wrong amount is crazy to me before 2010. Idk if my state sucks or if people didn't know to sue people like that at the time.
the whole thing about him discouraging people from going to a medical professional for a diagnosis and saying "neurotypical people cant diagnose" is extremely popular on tik tok. and they'll use examples like "oh im diagnosed autistic and i recognized that my cousin is autistic and that go them diagnosed" to prove that autistic people are good at diagnosing autism, and then also they'll use examples like "oh i went to some therapist and they said i wasn't autistic and then i found one that diagnosed me" to discredit professionals... this makes no sense. someone that has/had cancer can recognize symptoms in someone else and it can help that person get diagnosed with cancer, and also a doctor can be dismissive about your cancer symptoms and then you to one that does extra tests and actually diagnoses you. that doesn't mean that doctors cant diagnose cancer and only people who had cancer can diagnose it. its silly, and they would agree its silly until its about mental illnesses/disorders. and you cant just say "its tik tok who cares" bcs most kids have tik tok and are influenced by what they see on there.
I was tested for autism once when I was in treatment for ptsd and depression and they said I’m not autistic. Later on I was in treatment with a different person and my therapist noticed stuff that could be autism and asked if I wanna check if it was actually autism. I agreed to it cuz my treatment just kept getting stuck somehow. After finding out that I am autistic, the treatment took the steps that were needed. I usually advised people to seek the professionals, when it comes to diagnosis. I shared my experiences but also tell them that not everyone is like me and that they should seek professional help if they are struggling with things
My theory of why he tried to push the autism hypothisis towards the other streamer. Is for justify to himself why they don't want to be "lovely" with him Because a lot of people. (who are kinda ignorante) Believed autism are aromantic (asexual) So it's kinda disgusting that he want to push the idea that the "neurodivergency" of his love interest is the reason why he doesn't have "what he wants"
But he finds autism to be hot, and he tries to push it on people way before he even tries to be that close to them. I think it's more a fetish thing or that he desperately wants something that links him to them, and to get them to try to be dependent on him because they don't know enough about having autism and they shouldn't trust professionals.
Oh god....he reminds me of someone i met a while ago back when i was insecure about me being ace, he had just gotten out of a relationship and i had figured i never dated so how could i know for sure....he then proceeded to push every boundary i had, demanded vcs with me even when i told him i was uncomfortable, demanded i speak, demanded i give him a kiss, every single day it was awful and terrifying eventually i just couldn't take it and ghosted him at 2 months in...every time he'd message me I'd feel like i wanted to break down, and at 2 months he was the one that said he was breaking up with me i was never more relieved! I also have anxiety, and i may be autistic as well, that was the scariest situation i had been in ever
honestly that last part just reminds me of when my doctors found out that I was also autistic while being trans and they had to do tests to make sure I wasn't just being extra autistic (idk how else to put it) and actually am trans.
Could be bc due to studies, autism and gender dysphoria are connected. I don't know why they'd run extra tests for "extra autism" if they knew that tho
kinda weird to me that some of the accusations are like " he called out ableism" "hes mad that their friends supported/talked to his abusers"(they didn't know so im not blaming them) "someone else crossing boundaries" and "making an awkward joke" ? i feel like a LOT of the accusations made sense and paint him poorly, why add these? they don't add to the doc methinks.
I genuinely hate when ppl try to add more and more accusations to a closed case. “This person posted not good content around kids!!” Thats a closed case, maybe some other big hitter info could help but generally that’d a closed case. I do not need to know that 3 years ago he said he “didn’t like dogs” as a joke towards some furry or something. It feels like they’re desperate to make everyone see this person as wrong- when they don’t need to be desperate? Half the time I feel it kinda overlaps with other issues like hey uhm maybe don’t judge how someone helps another cheer up because it seems “aggressive” when we don’t know they’re relationship?
I think the primary reason for doing that was to express his character change and consistences between people he was speaking to. (Also where did he call out abelism im confused? not to be rude :D) As for the joke part, I think it was him being upset for something he wasn't even involved in and making it a bigger issue publicly rather than handling the situation privately? (thats how i saw it anyways)
@@CuwutBunnie it's ableist to make jokes about being psychotic/having psychosis/etc. i have psychosis and think that being psychotic isn't funny, nor should people make light of a serious condition they don't have. i think calling it out as it happens isn't a bad thing - those types of jokes have a pretty big impact on the mental health community, especially in the case of an already stigmatized symptom/disorder. the audio to me was a very lighthearted way to call that out tbh. ive seen people fly off the handle for less honestly, i was expecting worse. i dont think he handled it poorly at all, and if it made him uncomfortable he should've been able to say so because the joke was being told to others people and was no longer between the two friends. the joke that i was referring to previously was the screenshot between two people, where he proposedly asked people to give a fun fact about himself, to which the anon said their fun fact was they were allergic to fruit. eviltoaster responds with, " that's not very fun " - which sounds like a joke on his part that seemingly didn't land. the evidence is just two people talking about it via screenshots - aka, people talking behind his back instead of being upfront and direct. being autistic means missing social cues and inappropriate social reactions, so i honestly could just chalk it up to that. to me, the added consistencies don't mean much. if he's fucking up, show how and why - you don't need to add non-offensive stuff to prove a point. you're just muddying the validity of what was posted - especially since it's not a crime to talk about being uncomfortable abt an ableist joke, make awkward jokes that dont land, etc. the rest of the document and peoples experiences seem incredibly valid and like he's NOT a good person, but tacking on random stuff makes it come across as a smear campaign more than anything.
@@pupsterVT The "Joke" was one of them sending a study that showed that short people were more likely to be psychopaths. Which, yes is an actually study. Not sure how much I trust it, but I checked and it's out there. Not a joke about psychosis. The calling out ableism is also less about that specific instance and more about how this sort of behaviour with the "that's not very funny" continued directed towards this one vtuber all stream, to the point where she was crying and wanted to end the stream. It also helps to show just how hypocritical he is as forcefully trying to diagnose people and call out their traits is also a type of ableism. And to some people that segment was another bad/ offensive thing he had done and I personally thinks it helps having it there as it shows some other things that can be viewed from different perspectives. It's something he did, it made someone cry and feel awful, why shouldn't it be there?
@@HyattHyatt3179 i appreciate ur viewpoint but calling urself a psycho(a either a personality disorder or paired w/ psychosis) as a joke is harmful. the study can be true, but then making light of it isn't good. it makes a joke out of mental health. i didn't see the rest of that stream, just the audio tidbit that's actually included in the document - so the doc may be missing more context. it was worded to seem as though she negatively reacted to that single 20 second audio, rather than him pushing the issue further/in a bad way. thank you also for explaining that it's less about him calling the action out, and more abt the hypocrisy surrounding calling ableism out when he himself is also ableist. that point kinda flew over my head ^^;
As someone with diagnosed autism + ADHD, the title alone made me uncomfortable. I've made my fair share of jokes about characters being autistic because they do the same things I do, but those are CHARACTERS, fictional beings that won't be impacted by my jokes, and I do it solely around friends who are also neurodivergent. Doing that to real people, AND behind their back, is just weird and gross and gives this already stigmatized community a bad rep :( Edit: (sorry if this is worded badly, I'm not good at articulating thoughts and feelings)
I have autism, used to be very severe and I thank the good people who are my speech therapy teachers. I don't take hints, I can be VERY oblivious, however to KNOWINGLY push boundaries and to have the audacity to push autism onto those who haven't been properly diagnosed as such, is BLATANT manipulation and I personally find it disgusting. I have a platonic friendship with a woman and I prefer to keep it that way. Evil Toaster clearly hasn't learned that "No means No" and doesn't value platonic friendships as a genuine relationship. He needs to grow up and understand that not every woman wants to seek a relationship with him and he needs to learn how serious boundaries are. He is a creep and isn't mature enough to get it.
thought i had depression ocd anxiety and adhd and turns out i just had an autoimmune illness that had symptoms of these mental disorders as side effects so yes self diagnosis isnt a 100% certainty at all i took so many tests and all of them told me i had the mental disorders
36:13 If that's the case he should stick to working on himself first vs trying to connect with other people. If he's mentally unwell causing him to be socially awkward to a point it's uncomfortable (and coming off as manipulative) he should step back until he's okay to interact with others. Otherwise he'll just keep coming out to be a unacceptable villain. Alot of people have their own issues to sort out with, don't need/want to add others issues onto their list to deal with.
Your toast is never done the first time, and if you put it in a second time it comes out burnt to a crisp. If you change the settings if just a little it burns. De-frost doesn't work, and the bread always gets stuck and crumbles and then those crumbles get stuck and your entire kitchen smells like it's burning whenever you make toast. Which I suppose is kind of fitting for this guy. He can never take a no, if you say it again he gets salty and pouty. If you try to tell him that you don't have autism he insists you do, he doesn't get boundaries, and if he does he's going to try to make you feel bad for having them or make you out to be a bad person
In context its easy to say so, but in general i thinking harping on him for "not taking a hint" when someone he thought was his friend kept turning him down is kind of bullshit. If you dont want to hang out with someome, say so. I think its really unfair to blame people in general for not picking up on something like that.
Man I feel bad I’m an autistic teenager and I act similar to toaster though I’m not trying to get them to pay attention to me I’m just playing around and it annoys them
on the self diagnosis (from someone who is fighting insurance for them to cover an autism eval): I think self diagnosis is a good thing, in 99.9% of cases. I think diagnosing OTHERS is the main problem im seeing here
Self diagnosing can be good as long as you don't medicate based on it, or spread it around claiming that you 100% have something. (It's a good tool to use to help yourself but should also be kept to yourself).
He's so much like my abuser💀 the constant psychoanalysing and giving out diagnosis with no actual deep knowledge on it, the savior complex and the "I'm so lonely I just want friends" it's how you fall in the trap
Im going to be fair to to an extent. Guilting someone is not fair. BUt, I do have friends with autism who have not got social hints that people werent interested.I had to teach my long time friend, that if someone is ignoring them, to just assume they arent interested. He was just trying to be friendly and invite them to hang out with us repeatedly. He started to just say "Hey! I have autism and, Its okay if you dont want to hang out, for any reason. But am I bothering you by asking? I just want us both to be happy!" and some people have been blunt. I know we try to be nice, but sometimes you have to be mature enough to just tell people how you feel. And this is coming from someone with medicated anxiety.
Thank you for the nuanced approach. I am also an autistic person who still continues to learn these social cues from my friends CONSTANTLY. I only learned this year that "I'm not ready to date anyone right now" means they're not interested in *me*, not that it's a question to come back to in the future 🤦♂️ It would be so much easier if people would be direct about what they're thinking, so thank you for being a translator! In this situation though, this guy has no excuse. There was extensive communication about people being uncomfortable and very clearly set boundaries. He just chose to ignore the boundaries and manipulate people. He's hiding behind autism and using it as a shield for insidious behavior.
@@ShinOpaque that's probably because he himself tells someone that if people aren't contacting them it's because they aren't interested, so he clearly knows that avoidance is a common strategy to try to be less rude when not wanting to deal with people anymore. He's also aware that people have done it to him before, which is why he sent that ridiculously long guilt trip message saying that other people had done similar things to ignore him, but he's sure she's not like that. You're not wrong that autism makes social ques difficult, he just seems way to aware of everything and too deliberate in his choice of words to not know
@@ShinOpaque Yeah as an autistic person, Kat saying "take the L and learn to take a hint" felt pretty bad tbh. You can't just magically learn to not be autistic. Evil Toaster did a lot of gross, creepy stuff but not understanding Kisa's vague attempts at rebuffing him isn't one of those things, imo. Clear communication could have really helped here and if he continued to push it after that, at THAT point that's on him for not respecting boundaries. People are saying "CLEARLY she isn't interested"...yeah but when you're autistic sometimes those things don't seem so clear, actually, and it sucks that we're made out to be weirdos for being unable to understand. That doesn't excuse all the other messed up stuff he did but yeah, there's my two cents.
Bro this guy acts exactly like this guy I knew (down to like him saying goils somehow) met him and he also was immediantly acting oh so lonely, and that no body would hang out with him, and asking if I'd leave him like everybody else yada yada. Crazy how similar these guys are 💀
😭😭man this remindes me of how a lot of people where telling me i had ADHD or autism and i asked my mom about it because I LIVE WITH HER-and she would tell me no because my brother had ADHD and she told me because i wasn’t as violent and i did pay attention to thinks then i was fine and that my Gigi would know because she worked with a lot of autistic kids - i told my therapist and i took the ADHD test and she told me no matter how many times i would’ve took that test it would’ve came out the same (i have adhd) and now she heavily recommends that we do the autism test- and a lot of my friends when i tell them that im not surprised idk man- we’ll find out when we find out, but this is hurtful when people diagnose you because i do have other mental problems so it being pushed on someone is icky but óvò idk man-
@@junyaiwase 🤔❓ I was just stating he had a nice voice? He's a streamer isn't he? So that's one of the important things as a entertainer (I'm not going to sit through a stream if a person has a voice that's hard to listen to.) But his personality/mannerisms isn't a good fit, so it's a shame. I know some streamers who I like their personally but their voice hurts my head so I can't watch them lol. Is all I meant by my comment 🤷
Question cause i didnt see ur last video talking about the feature. Are u saying that there was literally no moderation tools around this? Like this sounds like a great idea IF u can determine who can and cant send u these requests. Like the default should be anyone who you follow and who follows u back cant send these but if this was set up the way it sounds where any rando can invite u then thats just fownright stupid
Is this the evil Toaster person that was like a one trick in the OW community for years? Was wondering where he vanished to after i left the OW community myself. He used to stand up for people, but well, like other sordid personalities is a cover to get closer and access to others. Looks like this Toaster got burnt
1:16:45 yep. There IS some significant overlap between people who are trans also being neurodivergent as far as I’m aware… but as a trans person the way he’s talking about it is literally so yucky. It’s sending warning signals to me that he doesn’t think those people are actually trans or that it’s solely caused by their neurodivergence or something. Ew.
i think toaster is definitely in the wrong and a terrible person and i am in no way trying to put milkie down or victim blame because regardless they don’t deserve the behavior they experienced from toaster, but for milkie to write a whole thing about “i decided i love you, i adore you, you make me feel happy, you’re so special” etc and call them pet names knowing how they are and that they have a history of trying to pursue you romantically and then saying “there’s no possible way they could have misconstrued this” is incredibly weird on their part. I’ve had friends be weirdly affectionate with me, say it was just platonic, then later confess real feelings for me later on even when i told them i wasn’t comfortable sharing that same level of affection with them and strictly saw them as friends. It’s not always the case, sometimes it really is platonic, but being overly affectionate like that especially with someone you know is that desperate for female attention and affection and then not understanding how they could possibly misconstrue your frequent affection and attention is in fact, pretty damn silly.
Wow this guy is so similar to someone I used to be friends with. It's almost making wonders if they are the same person. I used to be quite good friends with a guy, we played games often and chat. He would sometimes fallout with his other friends and I couple of times I tried hard to repair it because both would be missing each other. Then one day when I was panicking about an upcoming surgery I had been terrified about he got really mad with me because I didn't want to talk to him I just wanted to zone out and mine head empty in Minecraft 😂 I even explained that because of the surgery I really just don't want to talk or space out. He ended up taking it so personally and said something along the lines of well don't bother talking to me then. I honestly just let that friendship go. It had lasted a while and I did treasure it but as soon as he showed that side I realised I had been ignoring the extremely selfish way he thought about his friends.
1:15:50 i cany explain how directly i feel this, i have ADHD and am not medicated because I forgot to set up an appointment to get a refill, and kept putting it off. Now its been like 3 years since i last had it and i feel like it would be awkward and emberassing to set up an appointment now cause my doc is going to wnat to know why i hadn't refilled it and will think i dont really need it or something.
at around 22 minute mark. THAT DAMN WALL OF TEXT IS SO PEER PRESSURING. Somehow, when i read it, it comes off as "People dont usually dont do it for me and Im lonely. Are YOU sure YOU can do it?" or something like that. Its honestly such a bad look, and i really feel for the victim ((Kisa)).. walking red flag
Look, I'm an autistic woman with social anxiety and a survivor of online sexual abuse and I straight up cannot agree with what you're saying because it comes off as very ill informed and ableist. There have been many times in my life where I just straight up can't take a hint because I don't see it. There was one time I straight up sat down with my at the time friends and they all stood up and left the table and rather than thinking "they're mad at me", I just thought they were going to their next class and it was unfortunate timing. Some people are really bad with picking up on social queues and you can't imply anything. You have to be upfront. I get that it's complicated because they're of a higher social standing in the community, but I don't think it's fair to look at someone who literally has a disability which causes them to not understand social queues and expect them to pick up on it. Also, oversharing is an autism trait. I have my own issues with it I'm trying to work through. I understand her side but at the same time, she was not setting boundaries clearly. I have social anxiety too but that doesn't mean I can expect someone who doesn't understand social queues to understand when I give wishy washy responses. I've had to come to terms with that. Even if there are times where this person has done bad things, shaming them for autistic traits they straight up can't help is ableist and you're not in a position to do that. Also, your title about "pushing autism" is just a huge yuck. Autism is a huge part of people's lives. It's an explanation, not an excuse, and allistic people just don't get that. Thanks for letting me know this isn't a safe community for people like me.
Well different people can have different thoughts/feelings about each other. And sometimes your own feelings make it harder to figure out the others. I'm the type that will always question everything I don't know but some people take it a step further and try to guess the answer
What’s extra frustrating is I agree with Toaster on the basis of how it sucks that folks of the opposite gender feel as though they can’t be as close of friends with eachother as they are with their friends of the same gender. While it’s totally understandable to be closer to people who are more similar to you, it’s also important to know how to befriend and bond with people who are different from you. It can broaden your horizon and make you a more well rounded person. I can also understand the preference for female friends. Female friends tend to offer each other a type of communal support and overt platonic affection that isn’t often found in male friendships. Not that male friends can’t be kind to each other, but male friends tend to conceal their platonic affection for each other with a semi-joking front of competition. Doesn’t help that a lot of cishet men in-particular view emotional vulnerability as a sign of weakness. However, Toaster’s behavior is exactly why a lot of cishet women don’t get close with their cishet male friends. So many cishet men view friendships with women as just a stepping stool toward sex and romance. Dude’s been watching way too many tv shows and movies where the boy and his female friend are destined hookup in the end of the story. Life isn’t a romcom, dude. Touch grass and get therapy.
As a woman with autism who had to go private in a country with healthcare to get a diagnosis to get one in the next decade, I can understand self diagnosis as an important tool. But fucking hell, this dude absolutely should not be putting pressure on others to test and deciding they’re autistic based on traits. Also autism a spectrum, but not like that. You’re either autistic or you’re not, no one is more or less autistic
Why do ALL of this awful v-tubers end up with a Google doc highlighting all of their behavior? Not complaining, I’m working on a commission that is taking forever and it’s great to have in the background lol.
as an autistic cis woman, no stop linking being trans with mental disorders, no it should not be used to excuse the overstepping of one's boundaries, no autism is not an excuse to harass people regardless of gender, and no you should not force diagnoses on real people, head canons of fictional characters are fine but not real people please.
As an autistic guy, my experience with most autistic people is that we may not be able to pick up on more subtle cues, but you tell us what your clearly defined boundaries we are in a way that leaves nothing to interpretation, we can understand them. An autistic person who continues to push even after those boundaries are clearly defined generally knows exactly what they’re doing.
plus with autism not really being understood completely by the masses, he can ultimately hide behind the neurodivergencey and only further fuel the media and right wing's negative view of us
Right, but everyone has equal responsibility in their friendships & relationships. It takes 2 to tango. Unless this was her boss/ coworker, she could’ve just told him “I’m too busy to be friends now & will reach out if I free up” or say she got a bf/ gf or outright block him
As another autistic person who god removed all the points in Hypo Empathy for a better build resulting in Hyper Empathy, boundaries are one of those things I respect to a fault. It’s basically being finally given rules for these specific interactions with this specific person that would otherwise continue to be unsaid and causing accidental hurt that in turn hurts me. Anyone weaponizing their autism to deliberately disrespect boundaries is a jackass and you should remove them from your relationships
@@scarletsletter4466which person are you talking about, because it sounds like at least some of his accusers did set boundaries with him and he ignored them.
Some one with both autism & ADHD. I couldn’t word it better myself
bro actually was an evil toaster💀
thats what i kept thinking in my head as i was recording 😂
This joke is gold
Not quite. He was evil, now he’s toasted
@@DarkaiXenowas?
More like pick me toaster
My sister's roommate in freshman year of college took a single psych class, decided my sister was autistic, and then harrassed her every day for the entire 8 months that they lived together about it. Not in a derogatory way, of course, but in that faux-ally way that Toaster is doing. Here's the thing: my sister probably IS autistic, but now refuses to get any sort of diagnosis because of that roommate. It's incredibly damaging to push diagnoses onto others.
After this I understand why he wanted the knock feature specifically. Because nobody wants to hang out with him willingly lol, he has to force them
god that's so pathetic and weird
This guy texts exactly like the grown men that slid into my dms when I was 12... he's also so self flattering in his manipulation it's so weird. He frames every relationship with a woman like they want him just as bad but are "holding themselves back" 🤢🚩
Dude sounds like fedora people
@@Beenus2622 Dude sounds like Chris-Chan and their literal "looking for a boyfriend-free girlfriend" signs and Pick-Up Artist scammers were dude's role models.
I knew he reminded me of something oddly specific. It's like the creepy people from old RP forums who wanted to do ERP and didn't think "I'm 13" was a good enough reason not to, and who then started to get upset and guilt trippy both in DM's and in the group chats.
The way he complains about being viewed as a man and not getting physical contact from women I thought he was a very girly femboy or something, but no he even has a full on beard. Like obviously they view you like a guy?
Also if a woman they didn't feel comfortable around was that pushy I'm sure the "girlies" would be just as uncomfortable. Just why is this guy like this, and can he pls stop
Says he doesn't want to pressure them... continues to pressure them. 🤦🏻
he feels like the worst impersonation possible of the "No. But what if? 👉🥺👈" Or however that is supposed to look. It's always "I care so much for you, but let's ignore that and focus on ME and how I feel. Don't like that? Let me just emotionally manipulate you until you feel bad for me and don't want to say no. Don't want to hang out with me? That's fine no-one else does either, so I'm used to it, I'm just gonna sit here ALONE and wait."
I almost wonder if he got incorrectly diagnosed and is actually Narcissistic, by his standards of 1 trait = diagnosis then he probably is. I'm also curious if he ever got professionally diagnosed or not.
The way I forgot we were talking about a twitch ambassador 💀
Pushing autism onto people?? Like- diagnosing them without them wanting it?
Yup. And saying he knows way more than actual professionals.
@@jamesvalkyrie7469 to be honest, some professionals don't actually know anything about autism. That's the only thing i agree with; autistic people are more likely to understand autism, than neurotypical professionals.
Still, that doesn't make it so that they can just diagnose anyone with autism lol
@nomypfpisnotanimeitsffxiv3689 Yeah, from what I've heard, autism diagnoses can be hard to get because many people still view autism as this little tight bubble of symptoms instead of the vast spectrum it is.
@@jamesvalkyrie7469 I mean I probably know more than actual professionals since they tend to misdiagnose people a lot and I’m pretty sure I have autism, but I don’t go around diagnosing others with it
@@kitzune2392 Precisely.
I was diagnosed after a single meeting with the people who were supposed to talk me through it. They literally just dropped the bomb on me without any preparation. I hated myself for roughly four years before thinking ''man its whatever''
Now I'm happy with my autism; but i'd much rather trust a neurodivergent doctor with neurodivergent diagnosis
Its so funny that the guy who was the loudest voice advocating for a twitch feature that ignored the streamer's consent/approval HAS BOUNDRY ISSUES. What A Shock.
The weaponized therapy speak in these discord chats is mind boggling
Shi just piss u off
He absolutely snowed in on all of this because he thought it might be useful. They way he talks about them being case studies reminds me of a reddit post where someone admitted to being "really good at manipulating people" and got surprised when they were called out for sounding like an edgy 13 yo, and not really very sympathetic at all
straight up "nice internet guy" language
It’s fascinating that he does seem to pick up on social cues that indicate someone is not interested in being friends with him, but decides they’re doing that because of some mysterious reason, rather than just accepting they don’t like him
I understand his desperation to be wanted and included, i struggle with that, but he really needs to seek therapy and realize that no one owes him anything. The harder he pushes and the more he's avoided.
His obsessively pushing autism is gross and makes me think he's not ASD at all, just your average self entitled predator using a label to excuse his behavior.
Though tbh nothing drives me more crazy than someone using hints instead of just being upfront. I'm also guilty of this and get annoyed at myself xD
It's also not inclusion in general he seems to be after. He wants to be physically included with a bunch of women that he seems to like in one way or another. It's not that he's just socially awkward and looking for friends, but he's demanding things from the people he's specifically interested in.
Now I don't know what actually happened, but I wonder if the person who allegedly pressured him into transitioning told him that if he wanted to be treated like one of the girlies he needed to commit or something like that. Which is still not a great thing to say, but with all the stuff out about him I wonder if he's spinning it in his favor.
I agree about the ASD stuff, with him thinking he knows better I wonder if he tried fishing for an ASD diagnosis but didn't get it, then decided to self diagnose and tricked himself into thinking that professionals were crap.
I'm about half an hour in and it's already so uncomfortable. I've dealt with several people like that throughout my life and used to be an extreme people pleaser (no I'm kind of a b-word LMAO) and let me tell you, these people are SO exhausting to be around. Aka people who psychoanalyze, gaslight you, continuously push your boundaries in one way or another, constantly twist things to make them seem trustworthy etc and then play victim and get defensive when you finally do speak out against them. I still sometimes have a hard time saying no, but THANK GOODNESS do I get fed up with people's BS quickly now and say it straight away. Much love to all of people who had tod deal with him.
As an autistic person, why is he so obsessed with people being autistic? Don’t you think it’s kind of weird in a way..?
He says he finds it hot. So it's probably a turn on or fetish thing for him at this point. Which kinda makes it worse, and the bit about him finding it hot doesn't sound like a joke because he says it quite a few times in situations where a joke wouldn't make much sense.
I'm not sure if it's an exact quote, but there's something in there like "And she's autistic which you know I find incredibly hot" like that doesn't sound like a joke to me.
So it's almost like he wants to make people hotter to himself and I don't really get that
@@HyattHyatt3179 LMAO PEOPLE HAVE AN AUTISM FETISH..??
Bro is THE male pick me 😂 "Pick me...😔....Choose Me! 😟.... LOVE ME!!😠..." 😂😂
He's still an ambassador and really shouldn't be.
Tbf twitch’s team seems to be full of office politics, backroom deals, and favoritism. To the point of hurting their bottom line. Toaster continuing to be an ambassador isn’t a surprise to me at all and his behavior is an honest representation of the company’s values.
As someone with asd i hate how he pushes this and treat people who might have it like a baby basically all that just feels gross even if he has asd doesnt justify it
As both an autistic person AND someone studying in the psychology field, that guy disgusts me.
As a fellow autistic person, I agree with you
As an adhd person and someone taking intro to psych (as well as someone with a similar experience to these victims), He's SO disgusting.
@@luv4umin471Same as a autistic person. I agree too
LMAOOO "I got my medication, forgot to pick it up and then moved" is the MOST ADHD statement you could've made. Love that the main treatment for ADHD is a prescription that's carefully monitored and you have to Remember to handle it. I drive my family nuts bc I just FORGET. ((CRYING)) ?? Like, the meds are life changing, but theyre SO HARD to get.
I'm all for talking to your friends about their issues since I had no idea I had audhd till I was,, 26 ? (I thought I was Quirky 💅 ) But like, if they're uncomfortable, don't push it ?? omg.. This dude doesn't get boundaries..
no fr how am i supposed to remember to pick up my medication when i dont even remember to eat and the fridge is just down the stairs T_T
Thanks for reminding me that it's been 3 days and I still keep forgetting to pick up my meds 😭
Y’all are lucky you live in a place where these meds are not in a shortage!
@@katlienteRIGHT ?? I can't have any fresh food bc it just rots before I remember it's there (´ﾉω；`)
@scarletsletter4466 I live in a shortage area (´ﾉω；`) I ration my meds, I don't take them on days where I'm not gonna be working. Awful (/´△`＼)
As an Autistic/AuDHD afab person (nb now lmao) I've had MANY "friends" from men I've come across online. I've lost count of how many friends I've lost (or really, never had) because of them trying to be intimate with me or coerce me because I genuinely didn't know at the time. It's STILL hard because I haven't really had any strong friendships to determine that line of where to stop. I like sharing information about myself but my oversharing I guess comes off as flirting, as well as my tendency to type how I speak and use a lot of emojis to convey my emotion through text.
It's been incredibly painful each and every time because I struggled to get along with girls and guys tended to have ulterior motives ,in my experience. Also in my experience other Autistic people have generally been safer (counting 2 friends that I know of for sure) because they're also explicit with their intentions and blunt. There has also never been any weird flirty vibes I get from other people (like trying to get me pet names or infantilizing me) - but using it as an excuse to break boundaries is disgusting and predatory and not related to Autism at all.
Never. Start. A friendship. With the intention to be in a relationship. If you get feelings, be honesty. Don't try and blur the line or win someone over. Especially men to women and ESPECIALLY if the person you're trying to woo is Autistic. And BE OKAY with a no. I've had crushes on people I wouldn't ever be in a relationship with but I never made it weird, I'm just happy to be their friend at the end of the day. If your crushes are ruining friendships (in the sense that once you have a crush you NEED to be with them otherwise you don't want to be around them) you might need to look internally because it sounds like you were never looking for friendship in the first place.
I also just want to add on that I'm in a good place now with an amazing partner and some amazing friends that came along with him 🤍They all express sincere love to one another granted majority of them identify as het to my knowledge but that doesn't make me uncomfortable. I think it's genuinely really sweet and I wish I had what they had sooner - When it comes to people like Evil Toaster though you can't enter this kind of platonic love with them because it's always misconstrued and twisted to mean something else :( which is really unfortunate
I’ve also struggled with a lot of the things you mentioned:(it’s hard to be friends with anyone because they have ulterior motives to be with me intimately from the very beginning (I only know that because they’ve told me the reason they became my “friend” was to get in my pants). It really hurts because I trust people but constantly have people betray my trust. Or worse, people make fun of me behind my back for simply wanting to be nice to them and be friends. I’m very upfront with my thoughts and feelings, but people either don’t believe me or make fun of me for it. I’m glad you’ve found better people and I hope I will, too! I think a lot of society sees autistic afab people as “manic pixie dream girls” and forget that we are real people with feelings too.
this whole thing makes the fact that he was pushing for easier ways to collab with others and was completely fine with Twitch's feature even creepier
He absolutely wanted to get upset over people denying his "knocks" randomly during stream so he could go on "don't you love me tangents"
Dude never learned to socialize and read between the lines, wth. We truly are in the 4chan timeline.
No, there's too many loli defenders and proud MAPs and zetas-in-profile dogdiddlers, we are in something worse: the 8chan timeline.
@@neoqwerty As an anime fan. I'd rather deal with loli defenders than any of the other stuff you listed. At least loli is fictional.
he knows, don't give him that deniability. He uses it to get away with disregarding people's boundaries
I was in a similar situation. My friend would grill me for not talking with him enough when I'm very introverted and just don't have things to talk about.
It started as a joke then it got really annoying because he wouldn't stop saying it.
Wow, I'm not even a quarter of the way into this, and he's insufferable. As a woman who also has difficulty saying no, this is really hard to watch, and I've been to a similar place.
Love your videos for not shouting and calmly speaking, i like to put it on the background and pay attention when weird words come up, like a TV
yo chat let's remember not to be ableist and say it was to be expected :D
aye aye captain 🫡
😭 people saying that??
@@ev07272
Everyone is saying they saw this coming. Most likely because of the creepy way he’s been acting in the past constantly.
@@ev07272 saw one person delete it. like I'm autistic but you ain't ever catching me act like this
Aye Aye Captain
I cannot tell you how many times Ive had to avoid this guy as teammate on overwatch ranked. Unfortunately none of this is all that surprising as sad as that is to say. Dude needs help
The evil part of his name wasn’t an exaggeration 💀
😂
As someone from the OW community, drama from degen content creators... COUGH a certain dps player streamer might be next one day.
Fellow OW community member, and I think I understand completely who the hint is about.
Are we talking about Metro- 😂 bc they were the first person to come to mind but there's so many so I'm sorry if I got it wrong 😭
Wtf is ow community
@@GFODT562 Overwatch
@@GFODT562 overwatch
The reason youre not medicated is... the most adhd thing Ive heard in a while. My condolences
the number of times i gagged when you read those messages 😵💫
i was losing my mind reading them out loud omfg T_T
As someone on the autism spectrum, evil toaster messed up big time. Although I never heard of evil toaster, also never go onto twitch but pushing autism onto people is the worst way to go.
I lost it at the bongo cats HELP
I need to say this, cause I didn't even known about this frog man, until there was a post going around on asking about who this frog pngtuber was. And a person responded with a clip on Aug 16 of said frog finding out about Trump being shot during a fighting game match.
So after that and seeing all the stuff going out about him is wild to me! I went from not knowing about him to knowing a bit too much about him!
Also hearing you talk about how woman are with being tested for certain things reminded me of one of my friends in highschool (2007 I believe?).
This girl I knew had to go to a lot of bs to get diagnosed. Her parents thought they needed therapy, since she had a lot of emotional problems, but some days in the therapist told the parents, that maybe they needed to get diagnosed for something else, since they where showing signs from the other patients they see. From there it took 3-6 months to get something back, and she was just mad with all the back and forths and test. From there they where given a doctor, and said doctor gave them a pill to take, but it was making them very drowsy and depressed. 2 weeks in they couldn't take it any more and had to tell there parents that they where not helping. They go to the doctor about lowering it, and as the doctor looked at the bottle they realized they messed up really badly, and gave them a adult amount! Her parents where rightfully pissed off and when they got the right amount they asked there daughter if she wanted to risk taking the pills, cause yeah she went through a lot. She agreed and luckily they didn't effect her at all, but to get to that point was hell for her.
I also need to be clear with this too. I had other friends who had ADHD and other things and the amount of times I heard them getting the wrong pill or wrong amount is crazy to me before 2010. Idk if my state sucks or if people didn't know to sue people like that at the time.
i can’t wait to watch this but i can’t sit down for a full hour just yet- i love your videos kat < 3
the whole thing about him discouraging people from going to a medical professional for a diagnosis and saying "neurotypical people cant diagnose" is extremely popular on tik tok. and they'll use examples like "oh im diagnosed autistic and i recognized that my cousin is autistic and that go them diagnosed" to prove that autistic people are good at diagnosing autism, and then also they'll use examples like "oh i went to some therapist and they said i wasn't autistic and then i found one that diagnosed me" to discredit professionals... this makes no sense. someone that has/had cancer can recognize symptoms in someone else and it can help that person get diagnosed with cancer, and also a doctor can be dismissive about your cancer symptoms and then you to one that does extra tests and actually diagnoses you. that doesn't mean that doctors cant diagnose cancer and only people who had cancer can diagnose it. its silly, and they would agree its silly until its about mental illnesses/disorders. and you cant just say "its tik tok who cares" bcs most kids have tik tok and are influenced by what they see on there.
I was tested for autism once when I was in treatment for ptsd and depression and they said I’m not autistic. Later on I was in treatment with a different person and my therapist noticed stuff that could be autism and asked if I wanna check if it was actually autism. I agreed to it cuz my treatment just kept getting stuck somehow. After finding out that I am autistic, the treatment took the steps that were needed.
I usually advised people to seek the professionals, when it comes to diagnosis. I shared my experiences but also tell them that not everyone is like me and that they should seek professional help if they are struggling with things
My theory of why he tried to push the autism hypothisis towards the other streamer.
Is for justify to himself why they don't want to be "lovely" with him
Because a lot of people. (who are kinda ignorante)
Believed autism are aromantic (asexual)
So it's kinda disgusting that he want to push the idea that the "neurodivergency"
of his love interest is the reason why he doesn't have "what he wants"
But he finds autism to be hot, and he tries to push it on people way before he even tries to be that close to them. I think it's more a fetish thing or that he desperately wants something that links him to them, and to get them to try to be dependent on him because they don't know enough about having autism and they shouldn't trust professionals.
@@HyattHyatt3179
Maybe both....
Oh god....he reminds me of someone i met a while ago back when i was insecure about me being ace, he had just gotten out of a relationship and i had figured i never dated so how could i know for sure....he then proceeded to push every boundary i had, demanded vcs with me even when i told him i was uncomfortable, demanded i speak, demanded i give him a kiss, every single day it was awful and terrifying eventually i just couldn't take it and ghosted him at 2 months in...every time he'd message me I'd feel like i wanted to break down, and at 2 months he was the one that said he was breaking up with me i was never more relieved! I also have anxiety, and i may be autistic as well, that was the scariest situation i had been in ever
Oh geez, that sounds terrifying! I’m glad you’re out of that situation now, thats so nasty.
honestly that last part just reminds me of when my doctors found out that I was also autistic while being trans and they had to do tests to make sure I wasn't just being extra autistic (idk how else to put it) and actually am trans.
Could be bc due to studies, autism and gender dysphoria are connected.
I don't know why they'd run extra tests for "extra autism" if they knew that tho
Bruh gives where my hug at vibes
kinda weird to me that some of the accusations are like " he called out ableism" "hes mad that their friends supported/talked to his abusers"(they didn't know so im not blaming them) "someone else crossing boundaries" and "making an awkward joke" ?
i feel like a LOT of the accusations made sense and paint him poorly, why add these? they don't add to the doc methinks.
I genuinely hate when ppl try to add more and more accusations to a closed case.
“This person posted not good content around kids!!” Thats a closed case, maybe some other big hitter info could help but generally that’d a closed case. I do not need to know that 3 years ago he said he “didn’t like dogs” as a joke towards some furry or something.
It feels like they’re desperate to make everyone see this person as wrong- when they don’t need to be desperate?
Half the time I feel it kinda overlaps with other issues like hey uhm maybe don’t judge how someone helps another cheer up because it seems “aggressive” when we don’t know they’re relationship?
I think the primary reason for doing that was to express his character change and consistences between people he was speaking to. (Also where did he call out abelism im confused? not to be rude :D) As for the joke part, I think it was him being upset for something he wasn't even involved in and making it a bigger issue publicly rather than handling the situation privately? (thats how i saw it anyways)
@@CuwutBunnie it's ableist to make jokes about being psychotic/having psychosis/etc. i have psychosis and think that being psychotic isn't funny, nor should people make light of a serious condition they don't have. i think calling it out as it happens isn't a bad thing - those types of jokes have a pretty big impact on the mental health community, especially in the case of an already stigmatized symptom/disorder. the audio to me was a very lighthearted way to call that out tbh. ive seen people fly off the handle for less honestly, i was expecting worse. i dont think he handled it poorly at all, and if it made him uncomfortable he should've been able to say so because the joke was being told to others people and was no longer between the two friends.
the joke that i was referring to previously was the screenshot between two people, where he proposedly asked people to give a fun fact about himself, to which the anon said their fun fact was they were allergic to fruit. eviltoaster responds with, " that's not very fun " - which sounds like a joke on his part that seemingly didn't land. the evidence is just two people talking about it via screenshots - aka, people talking behind his back instead of being upfront and direct. being autistic means missing social cues and inappropriate social reactions, so i honestly could just chalk it up to that.
to me, the added consistencies don't mean much. if he's fucking up, show how and why - you don't need to add non-offensive stuff to prove a point. you're just muddying the validity of what was posted - especially since it's not a crime to talk about being uncomfortable abt an ableist joke, make awkward jokes that dont land, etc. the rest of the document and peoples experiences seem incredibly valid and like he's NOT a good person, but tacking on random stuff makes it come across as a smear campaign more than anything.
@@pupsterVT The "Joke" was one of them sending a study that showed that short people were more likely to be psychopaths. Which, yes is an actually study. Not sure how much I trust it, but I checked and it's out there.
Not a joke about psychosis.
The calling out ableism is also less about that specific instance and more about how this sort of behaviour with the "that's not very funny" continued directed towards this one vtuber all stream, to the point where she was crying and wanted to end the stream.
It also helps to show just how hypocritical he is as forcefully trying to diagnose people and call out their traits is also a type of ableism.
And to some people that segment was another bad/ offensive thing he had done and I personally thinks it helps having it there as it shows some other things that can be viewed from different perspectives. It's something he did, it made someone cry and feel awful, why shouldn't it be there?
@@HyattHyatt3179 i appreciate ur viewpoint but calling urself a psycho(a either a personality disorder or paired w/ psychosis) as a joke is harmful. the study can be true, but then making light of it isn't good. it makes a joke out of mental health.
i didn't see the rest of that stream, just the audio tidbit that's actually included in the document - so the doc may be missing more context. it was worded to seem as though she negatively reacted to that single 20 second audio, rather than him pushing the issue further/in a bad way.
thank you also for explaining that it's less about him calling the action out, and more abt the hypocrisy surrounding calling ableism out when he himself is also ableist. that point kinda flew over my head ^^;
Dude needed to leave it alone. He could of found someone better to play with
Every step you take
Every move you make
-i'll be watching you- that stupid pebble jams your foot
- The Police
😂
Reading the room after telling you the boundaries is really important.
Another weirdo in that community, how predictable.
because there's absolutely no weirdos at all in the neurotypical, face streamer/content creator, ambassador sphere.. 🙄
As someone with diagnosed autism + ADHD, the title alone made me uncomfortable. I've made my fair share of jokes about characters being autistic because they do the same things I do, but those are CHARACTERS, fictional beings that won't be impacted by my jokes, and I do it solely around friends who are also neurodivergent. Doing that to real people, AND behind their back, is just weird and gross and gives this already stigmatized community a bad rep :(
Edit: (sorry if this is worded badly, I'm not good at articulating thoughts and feelings)
YOOO
THATS INSANE I HAVE AUTISM
YOOOOO
this kinda reminds me of a stalker/manipulated guy that's been trying to get my sister to date him. it's kinda of a sensitive topic
I have autism, used to be very severe and I thank the good people who are my speech therapy teachers. I don't take hints, I can be VERY oblivious, however to KNOWINGLY push boundaries and to have the audacity to push autism onto those who haven't been properly diagnosed as such, is BLATANT manipulation and I personally find it disgusting. I have a platonic friendship with a woman and I prefer to keep it that way. Evil Toaster clearly hasn't learned that "No means No" and doesn't value platonic friendships as a genuine relationship. He needs to grow up and understand that not every woman wants to seek a relationship with him and he needs to learn how serious boundaries are. He is a creep and isn't mature enough to get it.
weirdo behavior of them tbh
thought i had depression ocd anxiety and adhd and turns out i just had an autoimmune illness that had symptoms of these mental disorders as side effects so yes self diagnosis isnt a 100% certainty at all i took so many tests and all of them told me i had the mental disorders
I never knew that something like this actually existed on Twitch but now that I do I’m more aware about what goes on on the platform
36:13 If that's the case he should stick to working on himself first vs trying to connect with other people. If he's mentally unwell causing him to be socially awkward to a point it's uncomfortable (and coming off as manipulative) he should step back until he's okay to interact with others. Otherwise he'll just keep coming out to be a unacceptable villain.
Alot of people have their own issues to sort out with, don't need/want to add others issues onto their list to deal with.
started watching ur videos recently, ur so good at explaining things and i love the sticker on ur microphone :33
I've never seen a toaster that evil. Factory defect I guess.
Your toast is never done the first time, and if you put it in a second time it comes out burnt to a crisp. If you change the settings if just a little it burns. De-frost doesn't work, and the bread always gets stuck and crumbles and then those crumbles get stuck and your entire kitchen smells like it's burning whenever you make toast.
Which I suppose is kind of fitting for this guy. He can never take a no, if you say it again he gets salty and pouty. If you try to tell him that you don't have autism he insists you do, he doesn't get boundaries, and if he does he's going to try to make you feel bad for having them or make you out to be a bad person
@@HyattHyatt3179 uhm sure
In context its easy to say so, but in general i thinking harping on him for "not taking a hint" when someone he thought was his friend kept turning him down is kind of bullshit. If you dont want to hang out with someome, say so. I think its really unfair to blame people in general for not picking up on something like that.
This one is just sad
man, and I even though the feature was decent but had a few flaws
Man I feel bad I’m an autistic teenager and I act similar to toaster though I’m not trying to get them to pay attention to me I’m just playing around and it annoys them
off topic but while watching this an ad of you popped up 😂 honestly crazy
found this video the day it released and im only up to around halfway bc this shit is so mind boggling that i stop listening to it in the background
on the self diagnosis (from someone who is fighting insurance for them to cover an autism eval): I think self diagnosis is a good thing, in 99.9% of cases. I think diagnosing OTHERS is the main problem im seeing here
Self diagnosing can be good as long as you don't medicate based on it, or spread it around claiming that you 100% have something. (It's a good tool to use to help yourself but should also be kept to yourself).
How does one push autism onto people
he's trying
He's so much like my abuser💀 the constant psychoanalysing and giving out diagnosis with no actual deep knowledge on it, the savior complex and the "I'm so lonely I just want friends" it's how you fall in the trap
As an autistic person i feel offended and I haven't even watched the video yet
when someone dms you an essay.
buhbye
Im going to be fair to to an extent. Guilting someone is not fair. BUt, I do have friends with autism who have not got social hints that people werent interested.I had to teach my long time friend, that if someone is ignoring them, to just assume they arent interested. He was just trying to be friendly and invite them to hang out with us repeatedly. He started to just say "Hey! I have autism and, Its okay if you dont want to hang out, for any reason. But am I bothering you by asking? I just want us both to be happy!" and some people have been blunt.
I know we try to be nice, but sometimes you have to be mature enough to just tell people how you feel. And this is coming from someone with medicated anxiety.
You're right but in this situation I feel like that really wasn't the case .. this person's actions feel very deliberate
@@DeathOfAnExecutionerr yeah this person crossed the line. But, the general talk of her just saying "get the hint", is not fair.
Thank you for the nuanced approach. I am also an autistic person who still continues to learn these social cues from my friends CONSTANTLY. I only learned this year that "I'm not ready to date anyone right now" means they're not interested in *me*, not that it's a question to come back to in the future 🤦♂️ It would be so much easier if people would be direct about what they're thinking, so thank you for being a translator!
In this situation though, this guy has no excuse. There was extensive communication about people being uncomfortable and very clearly set boundaries. He just chose to ignore the boundaries and manipulate people. He's hiding behind autism and using it as a shield for insidious behavior.
@@ShinOpaque that's probably because he himself tells someone that if people aren't contacting them it's because they aren't interested, so he clearly knows that avoidance is a common strategy to try to be less rude when not wanting to deal with people anymore. He's also aware that people have done it to him before, which is why he sent that ridiculously long guilt trip message saying that other people had done similar things to ignore him, but he's sure she's not like that.
You're not wrong that autism makes social ques difficult, he just seems way to aware of everything and too deliberate in his choice of words to not know
@@ShinOpaque Yeah as an autistic person, Kat saying "take the L and learn to take a hint" felt pretty bad tbh. You can't just magically learn to not be autistic. Evil Toaster did a lot of gross, creepy stuff but not understanding Kisa's vague attempts at rebuffing him isn't one of those things, imo. Clear communication could have really helped here and if he continued to push it after that, at THAT point that's on him for not respecting boundaries.
People are saying "CLEARLY she isn't interested"...yeah but when you're autistic sometimes those things don't seem so clear, actually, and it sucks that we're made out to be weirdos for being unable to understand.
That doesn't excuse all the other messed up stuff he did but yeah, there's my two cents.
Bro this guy acts exactly like this guy I knew (down to like him saying goils somehow) met him and he also was immediantly acting oh so lonely, and that no body would hang out with him, and asking if I'd leave him like everybody else yada yada. Crazy how similar these guys are 💀
btw this guy has been doing this for yearssss he just rebranded as a vtuber so most people didnt know
I love how that truly ended up in a toaster expose
“I won’t pressure you, BUUUTTTT”
😭😭man this remindes me of how a lot of people where telling me i had ADHD or autism and i asked my mom about it because I LIVE WITH HER-and she would tell me no because my brother had ADHD and she told me because i wasn’t as violent and i did pay attention to thinks then i was fine and that my Gigi would know because she worked with a lot of autistic kids - i told my therapist and i took the ADHD test and she told me no matter how many times i would’ve took that test it would’ve came out the same (i have adhd) and now she heavily recommends that we do the autism test- and a lot of my friends when i tell them that im not surprised idk man- we’ll find out when we find out, but this is hurtful when people diagnose you because i do have other mental problems so it being pushed on someone is icky but óvò idk man-
Uh oh, new drama!!
real shame, this guy has a nice voice from what I've heard in clips, but he seems as such a unpleasant person, such a waste :c
Get a grip 😭😭
@@junyaiwase 🤔❓
I was just stating he had a nice voice? He's a streamer isn't he? So that's one of the important things as a entertainer (I'm not going to sit through a stream if a person has a voice that's hard to listen to.)
But his personality/mannerisms isn't a good fit, so it's a shame. I know some streamers who I like their personally but their voice hurts my head so I can't watch them lol.
Is all I meant by my comment 🤷
Yea, I used to watch him when I was into overwatch until he swapped to another game and suddenly got a lot more viewers. It was nice back then...
so did cryaotic (sp?) but he turned out to be awful as well.
omg kats reactions got me laughing, straight up syncing reactions to this dude. 😂
Question cause i didnt see ur last video talking about the feature.
Are u saying that there was literally no moderation tools around this?
Like this sounds like a great idea IF u can determine who can and cant send u these requests. Like the default should be anyone who you follow and who follows u back cant send these but if this was set up the way it sounds where any rando can invite u then thats just fownright stupid
Is this the evil Toaster person that was like a one trick in the OW community for years? Was wondering where he vanished to after i left the OW community myself. He used to stand up for people, but well, like other sordid personalities is a cover to get closer and access to others. Looks like this Toaster got burnt
WHAT THIS IS WILDD 😭😭
1:16:45 yep. There IS some significant overlap between people who are trans also being neurodivergent as far as I’m aware… but as a trans person the way he’s talking about it is literally so yucky. It’s sending warning signals to me that he doesn’t think those people are actually trans or that it’s solely caused by their neurodivergence or something. Ew.
i think toaster is definitely in the wrong and a terrible person and i am in no way trying to put milkie down or victim blame because regardless they don’t deserve the behavior they experienced from toaster, but for milkie to write a whole thing about “i decided i love you, i adore you, you make me feel happy, you’re so special” etc and call them pet names knowing how they are and that they have a history of trying to pursue you romantically and then saying “there’s no possible way they could have misconstrued this” is incredibly weird on their part. I’ve had friends be weirdly affectionate with me, say it was just platonic, then later confess real feelings for me later on even when i told them i wasn’t comfortable sharing that same level of affection with them and strictly saw them as friends. It’s not always the case, sometimes it really is platonic, but being overly affectionate like that especially with someone you know is that desperate for female attention and affection and then not understanding how they could possibly misconstrue your frequent affection and attention is in fact, pretty damn silly.
11:39 dang golfball can relate- amazing
Wow this guy is so similar to someone I used to be friends with. It's almost making wonders if they are the same person.
I used to be quite good friends with a guy, we played games often and chat. He would sometimes fallout with his other friends and I couple of times I tried hard to repair it because both would be missing each other. Then one day when I was panicking about an upcoming surgery I had been terrified about he got really mad with me because I didn't want to talk to him I just wanted to zone out and mine head empty in Minecraft 😂 I even explained that because of the surgery I really just don't want to talk or space out. He ended up taking it so personally and said something along the lines of well don't bother talking to me then. I honestly just let that friendship go. It had lasted a while and I did treasure it but as soon as he showed that side I realised I had been ignoring the extremely selfish way he thought about his friends.
1:15:50 i cany explain how directly i feel this, i have ADHD and am not medicated because I forgot to set up an appointment to get a refill, and kept putting it off. Now its been like 3 years since i last had it and i feel like it would be awkward and emberassing to set up an appointment now cause my doc is going to wnat to know why i hadn't refilled it and will think i dont really need it or something.
at around 22 minute mark. THAT DAMN WALL OF TEXT IS SO PEER PRESSURING. Somehow, when i read it, it comes off as "People dont usually dont do it for me and Im lonely. Are YOU sure YOU can do it?" or something like that. Its honestly such a bad look, and i really feel for the victim ((Kisa)).. walking red flag
oh wow i stumbled across one of his streams a few days ago and was already feeling a weird vibe. oof. ick ick ick
Saw this one coming
Look, I'm an autistic woman with social anxiety and a survivor of online sexual abuse and I straight up cannot agree with what you're saying because it comes off as very ill informed and ableist.
There have been many times in my life where I just straight up can't take a hint because I don't see it.
There was one time I straight up sat down with my at the time friends and they all stood up and left the table and rather than thinking "they're mad at me", I just thought they were going to their next class and it was unfortunate timing.
Some people are really bad with picking up on social queues and you can't imply anything. You have to be upfront.
I get that it's complicated because they're of a higher social standing in the community, but I don't think it's fair to look at someone who literally has a disability which causes them to not understand social queues and expect them to pick up on it.
Also, oversharing is an autism trait. I have my own issues with it I'm trying to work through.
I understand her side but at the same time, she was not setting boundaries clearly. I have social anxiety too but that doesn't mean I can expect someone who doesn't understand social queues to understand when I give wishy washy responses. I've had to come to terms with that.
Even if there are times where this person has done bad things, shaming them for autistic traits they straight up can't help is ableist and you're not in a position to do that.
Also, your title about "pushing autism" is just a huge yuck. Autism is a huge part of people's lives. It's an explanation, not an excuse, and allistic people just don't get that.
Thanks for letting me know this isn't a safe community for people like me.
Evil Toaster sounds like Nux Taku
Well different people can have different thoughts/feelings about each other. And sometimes your own feelings make it harder to figure out the others. I'm the type that will always question everything I don't know but some people take it a step further and try to guess the answer
What’s extra frustrating is I agree with Toaster on the basis of how it sucks that folks of the opposite gender feel as though they can’t be as close of friends with eachother as they are with their friends of the same gender. While it’s totally understandable to be closer to people who are more similar to you, it’s also important to know how to befriend and bond with people who are different from you. It can broaden your horizon and make you a more well rounded person.
I can also understand the preference for female friends. Female friends tend to offer each other a type of communal support and overt platonic affection that isn’t often found in male friendships. Not that male friends can’t be kind to each other, but male friends tend to conceal their platonic affection for each other with a semi-joking front of competition. Doesn’t help that a lot of cishet men in-particular view emotional vulnerability as a sign of weakness.
However, Toaster’s behavior is exactly why a lot of cishet women don’t get close with their cishet male friends. So many cishet men view friendships with women as just a stepping stool toward sex and romance. Dude’s been watching way too many tv shows and movies where the boy and his female friend are destined hookup in the end of the story. Life isn’t a romcom, dude. Touch grass and get therapy.
the frog emote feels soooo passive aggressive
As a woman with autism who had to go private in a country with healthcare to get a diagnosis to get one in the next decade, I can understand self diagnosis as an important tool. But fucking hell, this dude absolutely should not be putting pressure on others to test and deciding they’re autistic based on traits. Also autism a spectrum, but not like that. You’re either autistic or you’re not, no one is more or less autistic
Good video but the "pushing autisim onto people" point is unintentionally inflammatory towards autistic people. Bad phrasing in the title.
Why do ALL of this awful v-tubers end up with a Google doc highlighting all of their behavior? Not complaining, I’m working on a commission that is taking forever and it’s great to have in the background lol.
Wait until evil toaster meets good toaster 💀
as an autistic cis woman, no stop linking being trans with mental disorders, no it should not be used to excuse the overstepping of one's boundaries, no autism is not an excuse to harass people regardless of gender, and no you should not force diagnoses on real people, head canons of fictional characters are fine but not real people please.
I learnt my uncle has ADHD & so do I, so when I look at my niece (who's being tested) I wonder if her future nibling would have it lol
Is this the toast that would play among us with sykuno and corpse and poki etc?
He’s not anonymous he used to stream with face cam in OW1 which is why Fareeha knew him
I'm glad i don't stream on twitch lol xD