Filian Exposed For STEALING MODEL And Profiting Without Permission...
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- Опубликовано: 2 дек 2024
- And that's just the tip of the iceberg :o I really hope Filian can learn from this and be better, and that jingo gets the recognition and credit they deserve for their art
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I do just find it weird why she hasn’t gotten a new model even though she can obviously get a new model that she can use for her merch.
Or to just buy the model
She can afford a new vr set every month, but yet cant afford her personal vtuber design and model
partly can be cuz it became the face of her content, so everyone who sees the character knows its associated wit filian. changing the character will cause a bit of a mix up nd some people wont be able to recognize it. thats why updated versions of popular vtuber models are like outfit changes or slight alternatives to hair or other nondominant features that arent as recognizable to the model/vtuber.
which is exactly why artists charge u jus for character designs, cuz a poor artist jus got robbed nd has their design being used for all types of content that now EVERYONE see as associated wit filian. u see the model and u dont think of the artist, jus filian. the credit ended up perishing. i wouldve been so mad as an artist.
@@doghugs6840 it's kind of a weak excuse when ironmouse has multiple models by different artists with different artstyles and zentreya has completely changed her model's theme and both are perfectly fine
and filian herself has been using multiple white hair girl with animal ears models as seen in the video
@@blairfujinyes but mousey's design has always been the same. If you look at her latest model and her oldest model you still recognize they're the same. Even if she got a new model it would have to be a completely new design. However she'd completely lose the face of her content. Her only choice would be to debut a completely changed up design so she wouldn't be stealing the OG u know?
What she did is horrible btw I'm not on her side...
My biggest issue is that for MONTHS she's been told to get a new model by her own fans. That its sketchy and doesn't make sense for her to continue doing what she's doing. It seems that she's popular because she's edgy and over the top and doing whatever she wants. But it seems that's just an extension of her ego that honestly doesn't care about anyone other than herself.
She would rather break and buy several thousands of dollars' worth of VR gear over and over again on a whim than even consider paying someone else their dues. She could easily get a new model for $500-1,500.
I could understand if there was a new Vtuber who actually bought their first model and had confusion about complicated ToS and copyright and blew up instantly. It would be acceptable to go back and pay the creator for an adjusted ToS if they can come to an arrangement. Or, just switch to an upgraded model with the full rights before things get out of hand... But someone who has been at the peak of the industry working with others in the same line of work and has a whole network of support like Fillian? Nah, shes had YEARS to fix this.
@Foxums Why are you spam-responding this on like every comment? We already know this - it was literally in the video at 14:49. At best you're adding nothing to the conversation, at worst it comes across as you excusing her behavior by going "she probably owns the model by no so no point in criticizing her". 🙄
@@Mitsu92 well if she does get the rights I doubt she will then a lot of the dumb shit just looks like bitching and moaning just to bitch and moan.
@@Mitsu92then why are you still keep talking ? She bought the rights stop talking about this topic. You are milking this topic like crazy
A popular streamer having a huge ego and being a narcissist? Nah man. You tripping.
@@NickN56 that still does not change the fact that she’s already made profit off of artist’s designs MULTIPLE TIMES, without permission nor credit, she never made a proper apology either so it’s good to hold someone accountable until they do so, it’s not a bad thing in this case, you clearly have no idea what you’re going on about LMAO like do you want people just to forget the artists being robbed of their own hard work? clearly you know nothing about the artist world, smh, i don’t even know why you’re trying so hard to justify or excuse this, like why are you so offended by others spreading their disappointment and disgust, REASONABLY TOO, people have a right to express on that, don’t get offended if you can’t clock that, i’m not even mad at you for being ignorant like just try and understand that
Filian should have done like Vedal for Neuro, he asked an artist to make a model for him that looks different enough si he does not have any legal problem
Kson also used to use a pre-made public model but has since moved on to an original model illustrated by the same artist who did the Kiryu Coco model. She looks similar enough to the og model (dark hair in a fluffy ponytail, glasses, beauty mark) but she's turned the source material into something of her own and has given it way more personality.
Amashiro Natsuki (Nachoneko), Nabi Aoi, Ayamy, there's plenty of designers with a lot of free time who could whip up a model for someone like her.
What people never asked is how did the artist not know filian she one of the top streamers in the whole world yes she did do wrong but at the same time kinda the artist fault for not noticing plus you could kinda say she made the avatar more popular and she did tag him in one of her channels for the avatar model it’s just not in twitter
@@leomichell2757 the artist is Japanese
@@leomichell2757 you know filian might be known but it doesn't mean everyone in the vtuber community know her lmao, just think... someone might be known by a lot of people does not mean it's known by everyone.
If you buy the model you have the license to stream with it (not make merch) but Filian has said she didn't buy her model and took it from VR chat for 0 dollars meaning she does not even have the license to stream with the model.
Yup I stream with a free model everytime someone mentions how good it is, i tell them it isn't mine i do not own it, and agree with em on it being good and pretty, I should really link the actual model in my twitch panel for those to see it this way their isn't any confusion
She ripped the model for use outside of vrchat as well via pirating
@@LyraPyxisVT ya you should as its more ethical to at least gave credit to the person that made the model. :)
@Foxums Still it's freaking stealing, she's not even rectifying that they paid for it later, heck even the artist didn't know she used it for merchs.
@@LyraPyxisVT Hey, I just want to say, I appreciate you being so open with disclosure on that.
So, Fillian wasn't using the "Mint" model and then swapping to "Rendo". She swaps between the two. Which is actually more fucked up when you think about it as she is using two stolen models at once.
Its not stolen models. She bought the models which she can use for stream, the problem is she's producing merch out of them without permission or buying the rights.
@@ShiroganeKaiserShe didnt even buy the models lol she pirated them
@@ShiroganeKaiser So you never watched the video, eh?
She has 2.7 million subscribers but is too stingy to spend $1500 to get the original avatar and commercial rights to use it
she couldn't even muster $40 for it. she pirated the model
Somehow people ignore the fact that she make cringe jokes that are meant to make her look edgy and cringe. Like all her jokes about taking drugs.
@@ExodusCore Who gives a shit about jokes, they aren't crimes
@@ExodusCore how is this related to either of the 2 above comments that you are replying to?
She said she’s broken several vr headsets and controllers, meaning she definitely has the money.
I hope no one tries to blame the Artist or GSC on this matter and say like “Oh Filian already made a lot of merch before then and they didn’t do anything about it!” Well, the artist is Japanese and GSC is a Japan-based company, Filian is not really known there compared to the US audience. The artist couldn’t have known Filian was making merch and GSC wouldn’t have known that she didn’t have model rights or permissions either.
The blame here lies with Filian (and/or her managers if she has any) on not securing rights with the artist to produce merch, but most importantly not paying for the model in the first place. She apparently can afford to replace headsets and other VR tech items all the time but she doesn’t want to pay the artist or commission an original model like Vedal did with Neuro-sama?
The artist didn’t even ask for money so that narrative makes no sense in the first place
@@indescribableemptiness4104 Jingo stated in their tweet the reason they aren’t asking for money is because it can cause a lot of problems for other people that are using the model, they simply want to protect the copyright. Their ToS states they need to be contacted for merch and we don’t know if it involves any sort of payment or not. Since YouTooz and Gamer Supps are also not big in Japan, it’s likely that Jingo didn’t even know about it either and everyone just assumed Filian had secured the rights. Meanwhile GSC is a huge company and also based in Japan so ofc they would see the announcement, and based on their reaction it seems like Filian did not get any approval for the previous merch
@@crystalprinceton9312 jingo stated that selling the commercial license would cause problems not that asking for money would cause it.
When I said money I meant the reimbursement/damages that they are entitled to from previous collaborations. You may be right and they aren’t aware, but I doubt that. After the initial hullabaloo, there’s no way someone didn’t contact them.
yup, the artist doesnt even know Filian (probably) coz they are Japanese and doesn't watch EN side when it comes to streamers, they only learn about the merch because GoodSmile is a japanese company and they take IP stuff seriously.
Some Filian fanboys have made the repeated claim of "why are they only bring it up NOW" but there was a surprisingly rational counterpoint from (of all people) a ragebait dramatuber (who despite previous defense of Filian on other controversies including her friendship with a Kiwi Farms user and the child-groomer she refused to ban from her Discord server, changed his mind with this one).
Both artists are in Japan and are full-time professional artists. They're too busy making the daily bread to care about a small indie streamer in a language and culture they're not fluent in. Componding this is as big as the Vtubing industry is in the west, it's positively massive in Japan so any news of little western Vtubers is going to get drowned in all the neews of native Japanese Vtubers. The fact this info never went very far outside of Filian's own fanbase meant it's perfectly reasonable that it took this long for both artists of her two models to even realize she existed.
Did we stop teaching, "just because it's online doesn't mean it's free," in school or something? This behavior is so shameful. There is no excuse for art theft anyway, but doubly so when streaming, art/merch is literally your job.
no? When i was in school, usenet, irc and gopher was still a thing. We were pirating anime in real media, quicktime and vivo format.
@Foxums Why are you spam-responding this on like every comment? We already know this - it was literally in the video at 14:49. And your response doesn't even have anything to do with OPs original "Did people forget common courtesy/sense?" message. You're literally adding nothing to the conversation. 🙄
@@Mitsu92why do you care y’all ever heard a thing called mind yo own business because it has nothing to do with anyone but filian and the artist stop trying act like a good person cause everyone is good and bad
@Foxumsbro stop yapping😂😂
@@leomichell2757bro gtfo wit that yee yee ass wording bru literally stoled lmaoo
Here's how I see it, The TOS is clear. Do not use the model for commercial use. Period. Fillian is grown enough to fucking read and refer back to where they got their model before signing merch deals. If this were the first time, I would give them grace. But this is the second. It might not have been malicious but it doesn't mean its not a fucked up thing that they should be called out for.
I didn't see any evidence of it being the second as the only reference I see about the mint model is on the 4th July from the artist the same day as jingo so unless there is evidence otherwise saying she'd been contacted before to stop using mint then it's an assumption only. Agree she messed up and yeah can be called out for it but videos like this one that do raise good points are also clearly biased with assumption like I mentioned above as well as omitting the longer clip of the George Floyd joke that includes her saying was that too far and sorry after the joke and also omitting the art hashtag you can clearly see in the screenshot that is in front of the separate ai hashtag which due to being ignored in the video seems like an attempt at deliberate demonising and diminishes the valid criticism in the video that isn't disingenuous which is a shame
@christopherpage2622 I'm sorry. Non English speaker here. I'm trying to understand what you're saying, and the situation, since I'm also a fan of fillian and it seems you're defending her(?). But I can't understand because your sentences are long without a period or comma. It's like I'm a first timer in learning Japanese but there's no spaces in their words. I'm sorry for the inconvenience but can you dumb it down for me a bit. Thank you.
I'm very late to this discussion, but I'm pretty darn sure that this wasn't the second time she's done this, she's done this MANY times based on the video, from games that feature the mint model (another model she doesn't have commercial rights for) several clothes and figurine (I think that's what they are called) and probably others, this is not the second time she's made merch on a model she doesn't have commercial rights for, and even then, she still broke the tos regardless and made money on something she shouldn't be able to that isn't going to the original artists, so even if this was the second time it's still fucked up
Edit: from what I've heard, she has actually talked to the artist in question and rectified it, so it is likely that she now has actual commercial rights to the model, still fucked up she did only after this video was posted (the person that said she rectified it posted the comment on the same day this video was posted, and basically meant she did it only after everyone was made aware she was using a stolen model) but yeah.. I guess you can ignore this comment now
I've only seen clips of Filian but if this is all true, and I was the artist, you best believe I would send DMCAs to EVERY company tied. Respect your artists, PAY your artists.
Amen
@Foxums It was stated in the video that she got in trouble with this once before. There's no reason for her to not understand that there's TOS for vtuber models or with any asset after already been through it.
As a fan of Filian, I should say that she has a history of this.
Famously, she tried to con editors for free labor by saying she would hire editors to edit videos for her, but would only pay them if/when their videos reached a certain threshold of views. The site she used was for PROFESSIONAL editors, too, so you can imagine how insulting that was. Some have claimed that it must have been someone who works for Filian who did so, but she's stated that she doesn't have a manager and is in charge of her brand, so if someone else did it, they would have had to have done so at her direction.
She also advertised her support for AI algorithm generated images in her Twitter bio (but seems to have removed it quite recently) and has an AI scam on Fansly (though TBF I've heard some say that Fansly set that up as part of a contract with Filian and she's not happy about it, but others have said she sells her own AI-generated images on Fansly too, and I've been unable to verify either).
This is all perfectly within a pattern of behavior to anyone who was watching Filian but wasn't under any delusions about her.
And that's just the things she's done related to her lack of respect for artists, editors, and the other people who are the backbone of the Vtuber industry. She's got lots of other skeletons in her closet, including three involving her close relationships with a slur-spammer, a child-groomer, and a Kiwi Farms user (three different people, mind), but I best stop here because every single time someone brings those people up, they get tons of Filian fanboys dogpiling them with whatever excuse they can muster (up to and including literally looking at video/image proof or Filian admitting it and STILL coming up with any excuse they can for why it doesn't count).
I would probably pirate to ain’t paying $60 for a model that’s the same amount for a decent game which the art and programming is way harder to do then making Vtubing avatars and VR chat models I know I’ve looked it up and did it myself for a test cause making video games is more complex
@@leomichell2757 Found the Filian fanboy willing to defend literally any crime or horrid thing she does to an artist, editor, friend, or fan, despite the long history of repeat behavior she has doing all this, while curiously not defending the other things in the video.
As someone who has had their fursona stolen before. It's infuriating to see and experience. My fursona is my brand and is me. To see someone i thought i respected and even bought the gamersupps cup, their "model" was stolen assets and is making money off of. It rubs me the wrong way!
She seems like she doesn't realize she's not a small indie startup vtuber. Don't get me wrong, all of this can get you in trouble even if you are not as popular or have as many subscribers as Filian, but people are way less forgiving when you can afford things but steal them, and when you say really edgy stuff when you have influence.
@Foxums I knew of that update, but she's not talking about the Mint model or even other models she has used but hasn't made merchandise from. Yeah some of these clips are from a while back, but she could mention she's paid for the actual model by now, or that she wasn't aware she was doing something wrong. TBF even tho I doubt she has good excuses, even if they were some, she'd just open herself up for more scrutiny and hate, so I understand why she's not addressing the situation outside of tiny updates.
As a VRchat user, from the thumbnail, I was like "thats a Rindo model" lol. Its that iconic, that its dumb to even try to pass it off as original.
Mhm sure bud
@@leomichell2757 Dont know why thats so shocking to you.
@@ShinOpaque because peeps over exaggerating on something that’s non of their business and fill did credit Jingo with her past merch and peeps can’t mind their own business when it has nothing to do with them and trying to act good when we all know they ain’t a good person either
@@leomichell2757 ok buddy
@@ShinOpaqueThe mf you replied to is literally defending Fillian like crazy like a fanboy whiteknight would and not only that, his goofy ahh comment history is filled with him being mad over ppl being "softies". Lol 🤣
it wasn't "exposed" because it's common knowledge of what she did (she never said that model wasn't hers while still using it because everybody's stealing it from left and right)
and people kept "this shouldn't be a public thing, they should fix it publicly" like yo wtf, the reason why it gone public was because it wasn't fixed.
it only got fixed once the actual owner escalated it a bit, and only then did they ever thought "wait we should fix this"
this feels like how cheaters are caught and only said sorry "cheaters apologies are always because they were caught, not because the action they did was wrong"
if this was any other vtuber people will throw out their pitch fork and throw shame non-stop at the culprit.
now people are confused because you won't see Filian doing really illegal stuff or you don't see her in a bad light. People are also hoping she will do right decisions while disregarding the amount of time he was using that model.
@Foxums She had that VRchat model since before she started streaming she even said that at the start of the clip that went around, about how she used her VRchat model. Which is even more fucking funny as she streams in VRchat.
Wow. Your grammar is trash.
If Filian just really liked the style of the rindo model she could have just got into contact with jingo and commission them to make an original custom model but I’m not sure if that’s a possibility at this point 😓
With everything that's been shown, i really dont think filian has respect for artists/editors or people who are the back bone for the vtuber content, considering she hasnt even bothered to issue a simple apology. I kind of believe she'll get off easy as well, considering the artist isn't asking for financial compensation, and i dont think any other big vtubers will acknowledge her terrible behaviour in this case. I think the only thing that might come out of this is that artsits may be more wary of her and be deterred to working with her
Thing is I've been a fan of Filian for a long time. You're absolutely correct.
Yeah, you'll see her fanboys dogpile anyone who says what you just said, but I was never under any delusions of what kind of person Filian was. Growing up in a household where my parents said they loved me even as they beat me, I learned to base my views of people on their actions, not their words.
Between the editor free labor con, the AI algorith generated art theft, the stolen models she commercialized, and the Fansly AI scams, Filian's repeatedly shown that she doesn't have any care or respect for any people who form the backbone of the industry she works in. Situations with Stryker and Roflgator has also shown she has similar disrespect for her closest friends and many of her interactions with her fans' concerns has shown she has a similar contempt for her own fanbase.
And I'm not even gonna get into how she at one point said in a Tweet (which she made her Twitter banner for a while) that she would "die on a sword" for an actual Kiwi Farms user. You know, Kiwi Farms. The cyberbully forum that has been linked to 3 su*cides. Filian considers someone from there someone she'd "die on a sword" for.
@@Cyberweasel89 100%
She's autistic lmao, a LOT of vtubers go "this video is cause I got caught", and that's if they're like... decently functioning.
@Cyberweasel89 since I've only seen a couple shorts of her and only recently heard about what's going on, what happened between her, Stryker and roflgator?
@@marcoamazo The thing with Stryker is covered in this very video you're commenting on, so I'm not sure how you couldn't know. Katliente even showed tons of evidence in the video so was there something about Stryker Kat didn't cover in the video that you wanted to know about from me? Because I'm not sure what I can tell you that she didn't already, but I suppose if you have a specific question I can try to answer it.
As for Roflgator:
Roflegator is a VRchat streamer who does streamer parties. They are very exclusive, invite-only, with +1s not allowed. However, since he trusted Filian, she had add privileges to the world these private parties were held in.
Filian used these add privileges to bring a +1 with her to one of Roflgator's parties despite it not being allowed. This +1 proceeded to spam homophobic and racist slurs at everyone until they were eventually forced to kick him. When confronted on this violation of trust, Filian fled and ghosted the entire community. Attempts were made to reach out to her to hash this out and resolve their differences, but Filian refused to talk it out unless it was on her own stream so she could farm content from it.
One fan of Filian and Rob (Roflgator) put it this way at the time:
"Guys, Fillian is absolutely not in the right here. Is she racist? Maybe, maybe not. But she has certainly behaved in a shitty, irresponsible way and is unwilling to hear why her actions are wrong from the people who she has effected. I used to watch both her and Rob, but after everything happened, I couldn't support Fillian anymore. I can't see how Rob is in the wrong for calling out shitty behaviour."
From what I've heard she breaks vr equipment frequently but can't buy a Vtuber model and have commercial rights to it
You got receipts to back this up?
@@roymustang87yes, filian openly talks about all the expensive equipment she broke and had to replace
@@herbcookiespainandsuffering Didn't she break like three 3090s?
HOLD ON
i was under the impression that model was free because of HOW MANY copies there are in vrchat, in all my years of playing vrchat, the rindo model is like one of the og models that everyone has seen/used at some point. NOBODY that ive heard of has actually paid for a rindo (unless paying to recolor or edit in some way) in vrchat
if you're not aware, these models usually come from small independant people who spend several months making them
if enough people want them, they tend to get stolen and passed around because people don't care who gets paid for their work or not. there are groups of people dedicated to ripping and stealing stuff like this. even large groups of people will raising $30 together by throwing some pennines in a pile, purchasing the model once, then distributing it to everyone. and those people distributing it further.
it doesn't just happen to pupular models too. anyone can be affected by this. unless you got it from the creator, it's probably not free.
@@Rainhet
when theres so many edits out there, it's hard to tell who is the real creator, and yes i see your point, it is sad that people dont respect creators more.
although, its nearly impossible to avoid pirating avatars in vrc, expecially for questies like me (questies are people who play on an oculus quest instead of a pc) our only option is whats in the game, aka from worlds or other people
@@apfel7renee to me personally, using an avatar in game if it's just in a world. it's not your fault if it's stolen or not. it's the world creators fault.
but if you take the avatar outside of game to make money on it, at that point you should take some more responsibility.
so i wouldn't worry about it if you're just chilling having fun with your friends. everyone picks up random avatars on vrc, i do too, but it's all in game. not ripped. :) you're probably fine
@@Rainhet :3
30:38 we don't actually know if Filian is in the US, some evidence points to her actually living in Canada although they're very careful not to release their actual location even on a country level
She posted about a power outage and it delaying her streaming or something among these lines.
Los Angeles appeared to have one at the exact same date and time (7th September) but that could be something local though.
Finally, someone outside the vtuber sphere covers this controversy. It seems like vtuber twitter and a lot of vtubers decide to turn a blind eye on Filian because "she is one of the biggest vtuber". To me, as a training artist, this is the most disgusting and disrespectful thing you can do to an artist. She didn't even apologize and keeps posting on her channel like nothing happened.
Thing is, I'm a FAN of Filian and even I'm disgusted at how many people give her a free pass whenever she does literally anything completely shitty to other people. And the few who don't get dogpiled from some of the most toxic assholes I've seen. Most of them are surprisingly silent on this one. Probably because despite being her 8 or 11th shitty thing she did, this one is by far the most public so most of her stans are probably nervous about being outnumbered this time. The few I see defend her, coincidentally, turn out to be Trump Supporters and the far-right. Which is an... interesting... part of your fanbase to go ride-or-die on you.
@Foxums I saw that clip already, thanks for explaining things that I don't even ask. She literally built her entire career, publicly selling merch with 2 stolen models with no credits for the artists for years until got caught and now you tell me " oh she is handling it bts" with no public apologies to the artist or her audience. Just shut up and stop spamming already lil simp.
Simple it’s non of your business yes she was in the wrong but she can apologize to the artist but not anyone who’s irrelevant that’s like someone getting slapped and then you apologize to strangers instead of the person that they slapped
@@leomichell2757 Found the Filian fanboy willing to defend literally any crime or horrid thing she does to an artist, editor, friend, or fan, despite the long history of repeat behavior she has doing all this, while curiously not defending the other things in the video.
@@Cyberweasel89 You sure are very emotional over this nothing burger issue. I mean you're over there copy paste your message over and over as if it means something, pure damage control.
The guy you responded is right, it's just none of you guys business. I don't even watch that person and honestly, who cares what they do? The artist can decide what they wanna do. You can't just police other people's issues and such when it doesn't concern you.
Wait i thought it was common knowlage that it was a stolen model...
Clearly wasn’t common knowledge for Good Smile 😅
It was common knowledge to the US viewers. But since apparently Filian is not super popular in Japan it flew under the radar, so the original artist had no idea about this. But I am not 100% sure. That is what I have heard people speculate. Maybe some people thought it was satire idk?
@@ManCarSuaThey only caught wind of it because GoodSmile is a Japanese company and GoodSmile made a Japanese post as well on their Japanese Twitter account so Japanese users probably reported it because usually, artists are credited and Fillian's which is actually a Rindo model wasn't credited right so Japanese people kept spamming the artist
I never knew what VTubers were until now 😂 so I didn’t know either lol
lol fr
the fact that filian STILL wouldn't say jingo's name in her "statement" just proves even further that she doesn't seem to care about properly crediting artists and i truly commend jingo for being so civil and polite about the matter despite not getting the same attitude back especially as a fellow artist who knows how frustrating these situations can be. (also CW stands for "content warning"!)
She already did before this all went down it’s in her discord y’all need to do your research and stop acting like you know someone you guys only know 15% of the things she does
@@leomichell2757 ok, let’s say she did credit jingo in her discord… how is that a proper crediting when it’s in her discord where only people who join it will see? most, if not all vtubers will credit their model artists nearly everywhere from their twitter bio to their video descriptions. why only credit the artist in your server where only a certain number of people will see it? that’s just asking for more controversy. besides that, simply crediting jingo isn’t enough honestly. she ripped their rindo model off of vrchat for free which means she didn’t even have the license to stream with it nor produce commercial goods with it. even now, filian has yet to make a public statement mentioning jingo and giving them proper credit. you’re defending someone who doesn’t seem to give two shits about artists and flaunts around an ai art tag which further shows she doesn’t care about artists. but sure, go ahead and say we’re all in the wrong for wanting a fellow artist to be given proper credit and not wanting people’s art to be stolen anymore.
@@Iuckystarz Don't bother. Leomichell2757 is a poser. He didn't even watch the video and he's never even heard of Filian before this. He proved it in his other comments.
@@leomichell2757 Lol this faker tells Filian fans to do research but he hasn't watched the video and claims she never did things she freely admits to. You couldn't be any more an obvious poser. Do better, because this is just embarrassing.
Other companies like Mobile game companies, also use that model in Ads and stuff, so its not just Filian. But I do agree the original maker should have been kept in the loop before anything about profit was discussed. Not defending here, just throwing out a heads up.
Well I’ve seen some anime’s where character looks like that too so some can argue the artist stole it From some anime shows it’s unfair yes but also a little silly
@@leomichell2757 The artist literally made the model? And Filian directly took that model???
@@MrAfrodisiakOo yea that’s wrong but it’s not that bad compared to real crime that ruins life’s so no need to get that mad plus making VRchat models aren’t that hard only take 2 or 4 weeks but what she did is not fair but hey life isn’t fair so all I’m saying is get used to it
@@leomichell2757 Profitting off of someone else's work to the extent that she has very much does ruing lives, and is also illegal. We have copyright laws for a reason, man.
If it's so easy to make a fully rigged model, how come Filian is still using stolen ones she has no legal rights to?
@@MrAfrodisiakOo she never claimed it was hers so yeah she said she just recoloured it and jingo and fill already spoke and jingo isn’t mad unlike you crying they spoke to each other like adults so stop crying when it has nothing to do with you
I hope Jingo sues. They have every right to.
Unfortunately, that's very unlikely. Jingo is from Japan, Filian is from the US, no legal action can be taken- like how American car companies can't sue all the copycat cars made in China, India and other countries. But from what I hear, it's getting/gotten sorted out privately.
@@DesuVR It infringes on rights. Just like how anime can get copyright infringement claims on RUclips. Two different countries where the anime is shown but Japan has legal rights to copyright claim.
It was more abusing the copyright for commercial use. But who knows, if its getting settled them the twitch streamer better get a new model. Paid for.
@@DesuVRthat didn't stop nintendo from palworld
@@elliot_rat They're both based in Japan, of course Nintendo could sue Palworld.
Bruh. They talked it out like adults already unlike what you’re doing. It was not commissioned it was a vrchat public model. Plenty of people are using it for shit. Guess jingo should sue all of them too! Yes what fillian did was wrong but it doesn’t give you the excuse to try and decide what jingo should do?
I feel bad for artist who put so much work and hours into a character design for someone to just up and steal it without compensation. Artist deserve to be treated better and be recognized for the work they put into it. Such a disgraceful act that some just want to dismiss her actions & profiting from it.
she never paid for the model, she stole it and use it for her own greed and fame. she never said anything about this and people will forgive it and the creator will never see a dime for it.
@Foxums that doesn't forgive ANYTHING buddy, filian is a problem. she has no respect for anything and take nothing seriously. never did and never will. people tend to forgive way too fast. glad some people never forget and will take you accountable for your sh*t.
@@itsKimi I'm a FAN of hers and I still 100% agree. Watching Filian, I was under absolutely no delusions the entire time as to the person her actions clearly showed her to be.
@@Cyberweasel89 and yet *only now* the spotlights are on her for it when it should have been the case years ago.
@@itsKimi Oh for sure. Like this stuff was public knowledge for years now. They just didn't go very far past her core fanbase due to how niche VRchat is. It's just since she messed with the backbone of the Vtuber community and two artists that are well-known and well-regarded in the VRchat and Vtubing scene even outside of Filian's spheres, her past skeletons are beging dug up. I can't help but feel vindicated since I've been dogpiled for talking about this stuff before. I'm like "wait, you figured all this out about Filian NOW?!"
Vtuber drama never gets old
Agreed.
I wonder if there is a hidden arena for the Vtubers. LOL
Here I was lowkey wanting to become a vtuber cos it looked fun til all my friends were like nah the vtuber community only has drama going for it rn zzzz
@yukilu602 You still have VRoid, and they can be edited into Vrchat. I thought I could make some models and use them in the PVP arenas there, but every world I come across seems dead, or has few people in them, except Battle Discs.
@@Joe_334 the issue I had was engaging with the vtuber community itself not so much the model itself..... Ive actually got a model on hand that I made myself from scratch just havent made the initiative to actually use it because of what I said in my initial comment
Imagine you are lent a car and he says "you can use it to go to work" but instead you go to the dealer and sell the car, that's what Filian is like
Terrible analogy. She’s not re-selling the art itself. Per your logic, it’d be more like renting a car, taking it to NASCAR and making it famous, then selling miniature models of said car while claiming it was yours.
@@willr563 I mean technically she's not even renting lol
No renting. She straight up stole the car and proudly proclaimed that she stole the car.
@Foxums Please move yourself out of Filian's ass. We could see that it was the Ringo model she was using when she said that she had stolen the model she was using. So there were no "older days" (besides, she's only been streaming for barely 3 years, "older days". Lol. ) it was recent. Even if she has purchased the model now, it doesn't matter. She stole it. You can't steal a rent-car and then not expect consequences afterward even if you pay the rent after your theft when the police caught you. You're still a thief.
She could definitely afford to commission a model, I know comms take time, but I'd rather do that and get rights to not have to deal with issues in the long run. Also regarding that Stryker guy, yikes. The fact they were going out of their way to essentially protect Stryker, is absolutely insane.
You'd be surprised how many of her fanboys specifically choose THAT to defend her on. Like, give a list of 10 different shitty things Filian has done and it's usually her harboring of Stryker that they zero in on as the one thing they want to make excuses for. As a CSA survivor, i's frankly disturbing to me how many of Filian's fanboys I see dogpiling in defense of literal child-grooming.
Kinda cringe how these big streamers don't care and neither does their fanbase it seems. This takes me back to when Pokimane literally just copied some chocolate brand and sold it as her own💀
Even the stuff about rights to use in streaming doesn't apply here though because she didn't buy it and thus doesn't even have THOSE rights
Filian probably ripped it when Vrchat still had ways to rip models from one another (ripperstore or past vrc clients) and since everyone on Vrchat is familiar with this and does it themselves - of course, no one would care right away until she got onto Twitter and making herself widely known. And since I heard she came from those beginnings I'm not surprised.
With this sort of behavior, once is a mistake, twice is an issue, thrice or more is a pattern.
She admitted on stream she ripped the model from VRChat
Many of the things you listed, as well as covering for pedos, is painfully common in the vrchat streaming scene, its why i quit when i was a teenager. These are many reasons why a lot of vrchat users dont like or trust vrchat streamers
on the avatar thing, im clear in my TOS you cant use my models for profit and I hope i never have to deal with it
I feel like having an ai art tag really isn’t worth mentioning. That’s pretty much the only thing ppl can do to filter off some of the ai garbage from their main art tag. It’s a solution a lot of ppl use to help clean up their art tag and doesn’t mean they support ai art.
I don't see how one can just 'not know' that they can't make merchandise off of a model that is either free-use or was purchasable. If you intend to monetize a product the first thing you do is make sure every sourced asset has clearance to be included in such a product. You don't just forget that the model that you're using isn't yours and wasn't commissioned by you.
She probably knows. She's been in vtubing way too long, and has way too many vtuber and artist "friends" who would have mentioned this.
She most likely thought that it was fine since she did it before with no problems.
My guess is that she didn't want to loose out on a merch opportunity the first time, and figured that it was just some shirts or whatever and wouldn't be an issue. She most likely also justified it by thinking that she was big enough to have "made the brand" of the model, and due to the colour change it was iconic enough to be recognized as her and not the og model.
And since she didn't have any issues for quite some time she probably figured that the artist either knew and didn't care or that she'd somehow win a copyright claim since she hadn't directly pirated the model.
Either way she most likely knew that it was wrong, but made a bad decision and didn't think that it was going to come back and bite her like this.
At least that's the way that makes the most sense to me
24:13 "CW" stands for content warning. Basically Bunny was warning people that the contents will have said stuff mentioned. Kinda similar to trigger warnings but not the same; as they instead of warning people who have triggers warn people in general of the contents of the post, image, document, etc.
As a person quite familiar with 3d modeling (especially with Japanese modelers) and recently much more familiar with vtubing. I need to point out that "anime girl with short white hair and white animal ears and a tail" is way too generic of a character design to claim you own, even adding in with a school uniform or the plus/"x" hairclip. There are very literally 100000000's of these types of characters. Also you can trademark a character likeness (not copyright which artists have only for the work they create not a character design) but a generic one like this is going to be difficult to police.
Unfortunately in the US (unless things are different all of a sudden and I don't know about it, I'm not a lawyer I'm a 3d modeler lmao) the models created for the figures and the game are not the exact model used by her for vtubing and they're even different designs from the original model design so they are, as far as the law is concerned, completely different and not "stolen" in any meaningful monetary way.
The only actual way to steal a model is to take the exact one or to recreate it as closely as you can and claim in one way or another that it is the original model or meant to look like it.
The copyright law around 3d work is not as up to date as even 2d artwork and even that is still pretty lacking.
Unless the original modeler has the trademark to the character then they can't claim the other 3d models of the Filian character are theirs. Filian's design is also a little different from the original model because they recolored the textures which complicates things a bit. Filian absolutely can get in trouble for using the original model for commercial purposes or for editing the model without expressly being given that right by the model owner though! This depends on what the model owner has listed on the rules for use of the model just like using commissioned art for profit requires that to be decided between the artist and commissioner otherwise it is implied that the commissioner is not allowed to profit off of the artists work. The folks talking about the TOS are 100% right.
100% Filian should have designed a new similar character design and commission a model of their own way way earlier than now, they have very little excuse for this.
Also if any of you are mad about theft from 3d artists then don't I have just a absolutely awful story about most of the world stealing from a model maker named TDA for years including currently for you ;_;
Also! The actually stolen model the mint one the game devs are ALSO DEFINITELY AT FAULT FOR USING A STOLEN MODEL AND NOT DOUBLE CHECKING THE RIGHTS!!! They ABSOLUTELY knew better even if Filian didn't.
Edited corrections: Korean, not Japanese- and their RUclips is Calinya . . . Still unsure of credits or if they're provided, as I can't read Korean!
There was a time that I was a little suspicious of filian when I had seen a clip of her using a model that I had recently (at the time) seen used by a Korean VR dance creator, who had multiple characters (one I can remember being a cute brown bear girl) with models in the same style. It was a short white cat loli girl model with the cutest fluid-motion floppy ears you could imagine! So while I have now found the creator I saw with this model, I am still unsure of the artist or situation to give credits to, and I was hoping someone else here would have an idea of what model I'm talking about, or when Filian used it and any disclosed usage details.
I'd hate to be completely against Filian, as she is really funny to see in my YT shorts feed nowadays, but it really is disappointing how she was the host of the VTuber Awards, but still has little regard for model artists who raised the VTuber scene from the groud up.
Another vtuber looked into how much Filian makes just from Twitch subs alone. Monthly it’s roughly $21k. Yet she can’t afford to commission an avatar that she would have full rights over, let alone the $43 to buy the avatar she has been using. She doesn’t even have the rights to use it on vrchat because it’s paid to use. When you upload pay to use models they are supposed to be uploaded as a private. Who ever uploaded the model broke tos and allowed Fillian to clone it. For those who don’t understand VRChat avatar cloning, it’s just allowing others to copy and use the avatar without having to upload it themselves.
@Foxums You've copy-paste spammed this on like every comment. What are you, Fillain's alt account? 😂
@@Mitsu92 They and that guy with the Dragon Balls/Goku pfp are spamming like crazy in the comments trying to defend their lovely vtuber. Desperate behavior
9:20
I may be a devil's advocate for a second, but maybe she wanted to real art and AI be like, sepparated?
Dont support this anyhow, just wanted to share a thought
Given everything else about her, it sounds more like she just hates artists.
@@updateguypls1088 Yea, kind of
No you are right. If you're a big creator, it's perfectly reasonable to want to filter out ai art from your fan art.
The alternative would be to just... make a statement that you don't appreciate AI art, so don't do it as "fan art" because it doesn't show appreciation toward the Vtuber...? Just a thought. Though to be fair, there's always going to be people who don't follow that request. But those people might not even follow the AI tag request either, so... meh.
@@updateguypls1088yet another person who is completely clueless go back to the corner and let people who know talk
It isnt even 1 model but its 2 and we dont even know if she paid for the second model either. In addition of her also not respecting the ToS ^^
People might think Filian is just incompetent but the more I looked into the stuff Filian posts the more I see a person just wanting to profit for little investment as possible it goes from stolen art, ai art, not respecting ToS of 2 Models she uses and one is even stolen while like I said we dont even know she paid for the second one or ripped it as well.
I find it truly cringe how her defenders act any other Vtuber would be hounded of the Internet for the things Filian does but here its just accepted and kind of celebrated.
The more I see how many scummy things Filian does the more I hope she gets sued into the dust by 1 of the 2 artists.
Her getting sued will more then likely Never happen so take your hate boner somewhere else
Isn't it 3? She has the normal model, the overall/dungaree one, and the mini one. Oh and apparently the overalls is another asset (unclear if that one is free use or not).
Honestly incompetence makes this worse. I have more respect for someone who admits that they made a bad decision and never fixed it because they thought it was fine or wouldn't be an issue, than someone who does this, admits that she knows that it's illegal and then just says "oops I'm such a klutz". If you're that much of an airhead or just that incompetent when it comes to the legality of things, then you make sure that you have another person double checking everything.
I know Filian hasn't said that she's incompetent, but I agree with you that the fans who try to blame it on her being dumb, or airheaded are just doing her a disservice.
@Foxums Didja make this account to respond to haters?
@Foxums She most likely doesn't. Jingo has been nothing but clear about how she wants to protect the other customers who also bought the Rindo model, and she couldn't do that by selling the model to Filian. More likely Filian is allowed to stream with the model/bought it the same way everyone else did. That doesn't mean that she owns the model or has rights to it
@Foxums that's a hate mob for you
Even though all models on vrchat(unless its one of those paid-for models), are normally for free-use, HOWEVER, if the artist of the model has stated that or shown that the model is supposed to be paid-for and not for free nor stolen, then Fillian is in a troubled spot and needs to own up to her actions, and pay for the models she used. Since making merch of something you do not own legally can make you end up with a lawsuit, and probably be sent to jail/prison.(Meaning the artist can choose to charge Fillian for Theft and whatever else they choose, which can end up with Fillian in big trouble.)
6:44 She wasn't bragging. I think she was just being silly but she doesn't realize the weight of her words
Yeah, it’s more of a “Thank you, but I didn’t make it”
This is sad that she has so much money and does this, I’ve seen some of my most popular streamers collab with her because they dont know about all of this. If she gets away with it again then she’ll never get caughy
anyone whos been on vrchat knows filian just yoinked that model either from a world or from a ripper site and added whatever she felt like to it come on be so real. shes always been shady and i have no idea why people continue to support her. way back when vrchat was still in its early days, a streamer called woops got called out for stealing an MMD model someone made and profited from it, argued with the creator about it for a while, then eventually finally changed it after enough backlash from the MMD community. if he could do it, so can filian. theres no excuse.
The AI art thing is meant to filter real art from AI art. It makes sense that a big creator would want to filter out AI art from real fan art.
Exactly, I don't think it's bad to have an AI art tag as it makes it easier to keep them separate, and if you want to use any art for thumbnails and stuff you can make sure it's not AI.
Big and medium sized vtubers are quite likely to get ai fanart, it's just better to have a tag for it to separate them
Yeah some people these days idolize artist way to much like it’s okay to like them but that art ain’t that hard compared to making video games
@@leomichell2757You're missing the point here, the reason why people "idolize" artists is because ai art is STEALING their work. (If you say "Nooo, the ai made it" yes, the ai made but how did it make it? By using/mashing/getting trained with ART FROM ARTISTS all over the internet, not one, but a LOT. And as an actual artist, art can be difficult, some can be easy but it doesn't mean that we should just let shit like ai art "replace" them and a lot of other stuff too considering some Ai users CLAIMS they made the art meanwhile the actual artists are not credited. Basically, have some respect for artists.
Extra note: Your comment could cause some major arguments if anyone else read it btw, if you don't intend to, try wording it differently.
Also, I do agree with the comment we're both replying. Filtering art and ai art is good so it won't be misleading.
@@UA_7177 Don't bother. He's not missing the point. He's a liar. He never watched this video and he's a fake Filian fan. He knows nothing about her.
@@leomichell2757 You're REALLY bad at this one thing you do. You idolize people you've never even heard of. How can you be this bad at the one thing you made your life for?
I hate how she pirated the model (she showed how she did that with the stolen model), made merch without the permission to (over and over again), and never once listened to anyone till it blew over twitter
I ain't defending Filian, but I just wanna say that a lot of vtubers have AI art tags so that their primary art tag isn't flooded with AI garbage. It makes it easier ESPECIALLY for corpo vtubers to find legitimate artwork to use for thumbnails and basically lets them ignore the existence of all the AI art altogether. A lot of Hololive EN talents, for example, are very openly against AI and are even artists themselves, but still have the specific tag for this very reason.
She also uses AI art on her Fansly page 💀💀💀
In Hololive case, the one that makes the AI tag is Hololive fans and are not Hololive talents themselves and Hololive talents never repost Ai images, there was once an incident where HoloID reposted AI images because she didn't know it was Al art and then she apologized to her community, and unlike Fillian, no Hololive talent wrote the AI Image tag in their Bio even though she later deleted it due to backlash
@Ren-hj5ph Yes I know this, my point was that a separate AI tag benefits vtubers and that it shouldn't be a reason to be upset with a streamer. ESPECIALLY when they've done more messed up stuff like in Filian's case.
@@lssjgaming1599 That's crazy 💀
That just makes it worse that the vtubing community a community whose entire existence is built on the backs of artsits, are using ai to this degree
Anya is actually 4, I think.
She lied about her age to Loid, so he'd adopt her, and she'd get to go on Spy Missions! "Waku-Waku!"
wrong vid but YESSSS SPY X FAMMMM
"Suspicious behavior"? More like she's just disrespectful and has no guilt or remorse for her behavior. She'll probably be like Alex Jones in saying she's portraying a character and that's "not how she really is" 🙄
17:45 how do you know she got in trouble before as the tweet is posted July 4th of this year as from what im seeing without any evidence to say otherwise is that the issue was raised at the same time for both model artists so i still think its a leap to say that filian already knew and did it again. Im going to do my own research on an accurate timeline to see if indeed this is the case or if you are correct in your assumption here as currently i disagree without the proof otherwise.
Also regarding the goerge floyd joke clip it was perhaps a little distateful and if you saw/showed the longer clip you would find filian realised this herself as she pretty much said sorry after along with was that too far although im paraphrasing here as can't remember the exact words, i think at worst she is just a bit thoughtless and does things without thinking beforehand and for whatever reason probably didn't think about the more serious things regarding the use of the models either as again she was no doubt careless and unintentionally disrespectful at most but not malicious from what i can see.
I like your content but please just do a little more research for accuracy and show things in more context as it can appear very biased rather than neutral. If im wrong i shall come back and admit so but for now i reserve my judgement of filian.
Also not an excuse for her mistakes but if I remember at the least she has strong adhd which would also be a contributing factor of her chaotic personality and perhaps needs a better management team to prevent situations like this
Idk if it's just me seeing it but this is so similar to the yandere simulator Ayano model issue.
Idk if anyone else sees it but it's such a similar situation
Creator acquires model
creator uses model
creator grows a platform
creator begins to profit off of model while having 0 rights
creator never changes/keeps delaying changes to model
Even if both models were publicly available to be purchased in this situation, making profit off of then just feels so unfair to everyone else and by that I mean it doesn't feel fair for people who also purchased the models to use and didn't get as big as the initial creator and didn't make nearly enough to rebrand or be unable to start profiting off of the model even if they own the licence because of the fear of getting copyright struck or something by the bigger creator who unfairly made money off of something they don't own
Context:
For the unaware, Yandere simulator is a sandbox game that was developed by a guy named Alex (who has numerous other issues regarding his awful actions that I won't get into here) and for the model of the player character and other NPCs in the game, he bought public models from what I believe is the unity store.
Now there isn't an issue with that but when the game started picking up, merch of Ayano (the main character) started getting produced and Alex kept mentioning wanting to change the models in the game but still kept having merch be produced and even letting ayano be added to another game with the old model
He never had the rights to any of the models and the most he's done is redesign them (which I believe this was done by other people) while STILL keeping the original models.
Well said, accountability is always important even if someone is a big creator. It’s not cool about using stolen assets to profit especially when pursuing a career in a community filled with passionate artists going above and beyond their pricing. It really undermines them and slaps them in the face especially when laughing it off lightheartedly when people calls them out. Also ignoring serious issues that is an endangerment to others, should not be supported in any shape and form. I hope this was a learning opportunity for Fillian and for things to be done better in the future with integrity.
Yet no one talks about pirated anime’s and do it themselves and making anime is harder so that is also disrespectful to the artist can you explain to me to one ever talks about that
@@leomichell2757 Hey, poser. Next time you want to simp for someone you've never even heard of before, at least do some basic research so you don't contradict the very video you're commenting under and accidentally accuse the person you're supposed to be white knighting of lying about things she openly confessing to. Like, wow, how can you be THIS incompetent at the ONE thing you dedicated your entire life to?
Yeah, I always wondered if the models Filian was using were okay to use for profit since I go on vrchat a lot and do use models from booth and every time I purchase the models there, they do have something on them that those models shouldn't be used for profit reasons.
The fact that she actually ripped it she never ever purchased the model im a 3D model creator for vrchat and what she did is fucked and she can be blacklisted for all of it.
She got it off someone online and took the files of them.
Im wasnt completely into this topic but I remember fillian once saying on stream that the model she was using is for open use and everyone is allowed to use it. She also said she will try and get the model for herself only. To see this now is really messed up
she "RIPPED THE MODEL" 15:39 lets fill a report and ban her of vrchat, she just broke VRCHAT TOS and ripping is PERMABAN ofense
i thought it was weird not contacting the creators for the merch but after i heard she got the model for 0 it all makes sense
she cloned it from vrchat, some1 already had the model and had cloned enabled. if that happened it makes sense getting it for free AND not contacting the creator since you know... you would not know who he is unless you searched for him.
Imagine going online and bragging and pirating art and shit in a stream lol
She it a grown women. no excuse for not just replace the model with a comissioned model that she owns 100 percent of the rights. Also the only thing people associate with filian model is the purple eyes and white hair. not that hard to transition to a new model. Also the Artist is in her right to potect her copyright and has a right to be compensated for anyone profiting off her work.
You’re the only person I’ve seen actually put all the fucked up stuff Filian has done. Thank you for covering her racism that people keep throwing under the rug. 😭 She’s definitely gonna just go on with life like she did nothing wrong. She’s always done that.
Nah there's more people who've covered all that too, you just haven't found them yet. ;)
racism??? explain please
i just started watching you last night and your name and face looked super familiar, then just right now i remmeber i found your tiktoks on pinterest when you made twitch tutorials! which was super fun to remmeber since i watched those vids 2 years ago so its nice to see your face again and watch long form vids!
The hair and color changes are just extra assets in the rindo package. Rindow and mint are super common in vrchat. I also own rindo on a personal license bought from booth. I like filian, but I always thought it was pretty lazy she never changed anything from stock other than once in a while.
Also, it's super easy to get ripped/pirated modles, and seeing how popular rindo is, it would be effortless to get one for free
I don't think Fillian respects artists personally,
@Saphera de Noma has a (3h) vod going more into it. Like showing all the cases of past merch with no credit to artists etc.
Edit: just finished watching the video. It was great to see more of a biznes perspective on the whole situation
She also uses AI images on her Fansly page so yeah 💀💀💀
@@lssjgaming1599 She has some other takes on things as well that are viewed as a bit idk, extreme by quite a few people in the vtubing industry, and she's kinda hypocritical as well.
Her response when someone said that she was creating an echo-chamber was to pretty much tell them to get out if they didn't like it and that she wouldn't change her opinion either way. (Which on one hand is fair, it's her channel she can say whatever. But it's a bit of an overreaction to someone who points out what could be a genuine issue)
That’s where your wrong and know your lying she credited jingo with a plushie merch in the past so yeah next time do your research
@@lssjgaming1599that’s an option so that people can take her when they do AI art so she can keep the real art suppurated from ai art but I guess that would confuse people but glad to shed some light on that
@@HyattHyatt3179who cares just move on and if they don’t like her then just unfollow and Find someone else it’s that simple
usually i like giving people the benefit of the doubt that they may not know the difference between commercial and personal license. HOWEVER if she joinked it for free she should have known she was in the wrong. same goes to every single company that worked with her for never getting this double checked.
Considering the evidence, Fillian seems like a scumbag, and I hope they learn their lesson this time, but that seems doubtful given the history
Girl, thats $45 USD. With all those subs and money, yo - pay the artist. Look at all these artists in the comments, most of us are struggling. Our work isn't free.
I'm sure she has the money to buy rights or at least negotiate.
That's the next issue we gotta look out for - AI.
I’ll make it simple get an actual job and do art as a side job or learn how to design video games and then join a company and make more money
@@leomichell2757 I’ll make it simpler- pay for the work that has expected pay and maintain the TOS stated for creative works.
Also, define “real” job.
@@leomichell2757 Artists provide a service like other professionals. Saying get a "real job" ignores creativity and the arts in society as a product and service.
Have a successful game or any visual production with art, or graphics. It would just be text or audio.
I dare you to argue that. By and large, art and graphics complete and certainly are the entire makeup of many productions.
Stealing artwork is theft, equivalent to pirating software or music, both of which are illegal and unethical. Just as programmers deserve to be paid for their code, artists deserve to be paid for their creations. They are both intellectual property that have the same protections around the majority of the world. Intellectual property rights protect both artists and programmers, ensuring that they can make a living from their work. Disrespecting these rights not only harms individual creators but also discourages innovation and cultural development.
You can’t have it both ways and maintain that argument. It’s just hypocrisy at its finest.
And if hypocrisy is your foundation, then your comment is moot.
@@leomichell2757 Artists provide a service just like other professionals. Saying "get a real job" dismisses the importance of creativity and the arts in society. Art and graphics are essential. Without them, a game is just text or audio, and any visual production, news, or content creation is just video or the presenter. Stealing artwork is theft, equivalent to pirating software or music, which are illegal and unethical. Programmers get paid for their code; artists get paid for their creations. Intellectual property rights protect both, ensuring they earn a living from their work. Ignoring these rights harms creators and stifles innovation and culture.
You can’t have it both ways; it's hypocrisy.
If hypocrisy is your foundation, your argument is invalid.
@@leomichell2757bro can you get a hobby? I love that RUclips added the feature to check people’s comment history, because it’s so clear you’re just talking out of your ass to defend someone that doesn’t deserve it. 🤦
And don’t you dare write out a plan that’s not even grounded in reality. It’s obvious you don’t know shit about how artists can profit off their works or turn them into jobs. It’s NEVER that simple. Every artist isn’t gonna get into video game design to find a stable living, that’s not their only option lmao
CW alongside TW just means content warning. Some people may not be necessarily triggered but still wanna be mentally prepped, lol
i was about to say that maybe se didnt quite know the legality of it (since she edited the texture), and consequently the merch would be of another design
but dang, bragging live on stream that she straight up pirated the poor artists model? what an awful person
also, stealing YET ANOTHER artists design (mint) is going waaay too far on top of all that
thanks for covering this
It probably won't happen, because a lawsuit would cost a lot of money, but I really feel like Jingo would be justified in suing Filian for damages.
What do you mean filian made that model more popular you do know she is one of the biggest Vtubing streamers in NA right
@@leomichell2757 Filian is essentially profiting off of a stolen design. It doesn't matter if the model has become more popular, that doesn't make up for Filian's actions.
@@clovis_the_spook Don't bother. This guy is a poser. He's lying about being a Filian fanboy. He's never even heard of her before this video, which he didn't even watch.
@@leomichell2757 Hey, poser. Next time you want to simp for someone you've never even heard of before, at least do some basic research so you don't contradict the very video you're commenting under and accidentally accuse the person you're supposed to be white knighting of lying about things she openly confessing to. Like, wow, how can you be THIS incompetent at the ONE thing you dedicated your entire life to?
The fact that she stole the model or didn’t pay for it already makes things shaky on Filian’s case. Tbh if the artist finds out about that and warns her to never use her model again then that’s on her. And Filian will have to start from scratch regardless if she wants to or not.
@Foxums Can you stop replying to every single comment with the same thing. shits annoying.
Jingo is a dude
@@leomichell2757 Hey, poser. Next time you want to simp for someone you've never even heard of before, at least do some basic research so you don't contradict the very video you're commenting under and accidentally accuse the person you're supposed to be white knighting of lying about things she openly confessing to. Like, wow, how can you be THIS incompetent at the ONE thing you dedicated your entire life to?
Wait...so a vtuber turned out to be a narcissistic sociopath? Woah....
Yeah, she been fuggin up for a while. Stealing for profit so many times was bound to catch up with her. That being said, not all grievances are created equal. Most of the ones listed in this video are warranted, but some were just laughably ridiculous. One example would be the *George Floyd* joke. Reason being: it was a *joke.* A joke is still just a joke, regardless of if it was funny or not. 🤨smh
Agreed and clip shown was the cut one that left out the fact she said was that too far immediately after saying the joke.
She stole two models. One of which has been used for merchandise already.
I’ve never heard of Filian until this drama. honestly I can see why they never popped off until their poor choices lead to consequences.
I thought it was fommon knowledge that filian uses a free model (edit to what i ment i had seen her model in free to use model worlds in the past on vrchat so i had assumed it was a free to use model) another edit: idc about filian and idrk anything about her other than what I've said because I sometimes get her on my yt shorts on the fyp I couldn't care less if she gets canceled for being a shitty person I finished the video n she is a shitty person for doing the things she's done pls stop being rude to me in the comments ty
The model isn't free.
The model cost 7000 Yen. She pirated it 💀💀💀
I thought it was free because i was on vrchat a year ago and found her model ina model world@@Beeeeeewwwww
@@lssjgaming1599 I thought it was because I've seen her model in free model worlds on vrchat
@@lssjgaming1599 The fact that she not only profited off of a model she didn't own, but that she also never paid for it in the first place is what sends me.
I myself dont like filian, but i started to like her. I just had a bad feeling mostly because every vtuber has a lore or backstory. But not her and when i found she did that i was anxious to know what she would say. Not even 3 days later shes at AX and said things were resolved but shes still using the same model and never apologized or anything makes me sick.
i could NEVER imagine the feeling of having my art stole/traced/used in this way. it's a mockery.
I mean a lot of people pirate anime so that also disrespecting the artist who made them and no one talks bad about that
@@leomichell2757 um. the animators are paid plus I don't think the people pirating are claiming it as their own
@@leomichell2757 Hey, poser. Next time you want to simp for someone you've never even heard of before, at least do some basic research so you don't contradict the very video you're commenting under and accidentally accuse the person you're supposed to be white knighting of lying about things she openly confessing to. Like, wow, how can you be THIS incompetent at the ONE thing you dedicated your entire life to?
I come from the future. Despite all proven evidence of filians model ripping, they have not been banned from VRChat at any point after that original stream or it being brought to light last july. Avatar ripping and any ripping of any kind was against TOS in 2023 and it's still against TOS in 2024. It's been clear for a while that VRChat has two different rulesets for users and influencers but this is just insulting, tons of accounts have died for less.
I wish y'all good luck trying to cancel Filian for doing illegal and fuck'd up shit. The internet has been trying for years with Logan Paul and he's still there. You can't cancel someone who gives literally no fucks about it.
18:04 That guy might be a loser, but he makes a good point!!
I understand what Oworld was saying but damn what was that logic? Whether she did it intentionally or not doesnt matter. She needs to make it right by either, back paying the artist get perms to use it and apologizing or making a new model and apologize, and make a back payment. Thats what it all boils down to.
Part of me wonders if she is using this drama to announce a 2.0/3.0(?), get everyones eyes on her. Like theres no way she DIDNT know, and other than "Uh oh" she hasnt said anything and is still posting.
Im holding out to make a personal decision based on her response to everything or if she will respond.
You're right, and she's literally doing that but we're all gonna talk about it for 3-4 days when the artist herself said she is in talks with Fillian and Good Smile.
Nah, she's too big to need to have drama around a new model. She's pretty much famous for using a public model at this point, so her simply announcing it would bring more than enough attention. Besides this may cost her quite a lot in collab and merch deals which wouldn't be worth the attention
@HyattHyatt3179 drama sells. Its wayyy too common of a way to get clout. Especially if youre running out of ideas. And this all started before she was big. Shes just now getting called out.
@Foxums ooo didnt see that!! Thank you def will look that up! Ive been pretty outta the loop and behind on the fillian drama cause i only learned like 2 days ago XD
Wym she’s one of the biggest vtubers out there do your research before speaking
Not even 60$, 7000yen to $ is roughly 42$ due to how much the value of the yen has dropped. So much on booth is super cheap right now cause of that.
No way in hell I'm downloading TikTok
i know this is far from the key points of this discussion but crap dude filian's voice grates my ears. even without the rude attitude
Not too sure but I don't think those avatars are actually public avatars for use by the creators themselves. It's not uncommon in VR Chat for people to get the avatars in some way or another then reupload the avatar for public use against the original creators and VR Chat's TOS.
There has been multiple issues for VR Chat avatar creators when it comes to people doing stuff like this for a very long while now and is a serious problem in the VR Chat community.
Either way, things aren't looking good for Filian.
As someone who does make Booth model edits for Vrchat there are TOS for a reason. Especially once you get big enough for it to become your brand identity, you should be able to pay for a from scratch model that is completely your own. (Granted making something 3D from scratch can cost thousands and is why kit-bash avatars are popular, since they are a cheaper alternative. For those who dont know kit-bash avatars are avatars models with different assets combined to create your own edit of an avatar essentially. Very common place in vrchat and vrchat content creators space.) But since she is making a lot of profit she definitely can afford to commission someone as she got bigger to create a from scratch model to prevent any of this happening. This isn't me defending her but just explaining how avatar modelling works in general in the community btw. It is widely known she ripped her avatar and just recolored it not changing the original state of the model. Hopefully she can learn and grow from this experience.
You sound very annoyed with Filian more on a personal level than anything
But yeah she has a bad history when it comes to anything to do with money she always goes for the cheap option, I don't think she is gonna learn until she gets sued
- Used Ai art for her awards but because of backlash she got an actual artist to do it
- she refuses to pay for a model even tho she has the funds now
- people have been telling to stop being stupid for months and to buy rights or get her own model on her live chat but she did not listen
- the problem isn't her using a free model (or in this case ripped files) but her profiting of merch to an ip she doesn't own and she knew it
- She's been a big streamer for a while there's no excuse for her to not actually have all the legal stuff resolved by now
Paying $0 for something isn't automatically stealing. I'm not arguing one way or the other, but it's fairly common for people to buy their friends avatars. As far as any of us know, that's entirely possible someone could have purchased it as a gift to her, in which case she didn't spend money on it. We don't know everything, and i think people are reacting far too quickly and with too much anger. To take a problem with something is one thing, but to set the internet on fire over it seems a bit much imo. It's also likely motivated by the size of the success Filian has. I think Filian is probably more so uneducated about the legalities, not outirght malicious with her intention. That's just my opinion. I'm not saying anything definitevly, just my view on it as someone who doesn't proactively follow her outside of the occasional Tiktok clip I find funny.
Filian also isn't encouraging AI art, rather pushing anyone using AI art to separate it with a different tag, so as to not discredit regular art. That's actually something I'd think you would *want*.
Thing is, as a long-time fan of Filian... all of this was public knowledge. Filian really does have a history of horrible treatment towards artists, editors, friends, and even her own fans. I never labored under any delusions about the streamer I was watching. This video didn't even go into:
-Her giving money to J.K. Rowling even though her fans pleaded with her not to.
-The Holocaust-denying Kiwi Farms user friend she once said she'd "die on a sword for" in her Twitter banner.
-The time she ghosted an entire community that trusted her after she brought a +1 to a private party held by Roflgator (the invites are exclusive, +1s are not allowed, but he trusted Filian enough to give her add privileges), the +1 proceeded to spam racist & homophobic slurs at everyone until he was kicked, and after ghosting everyone Filian refused to talk it out with Roflgator unless it was on her stream so she could make content out of it.
@@Cyberweasel89 HOLY CRAP ABSOLUTE YIKESSS LMAO 😬
I didn't know she had merch which is stupid from my part because she's a well known vtuber, I didn't like her because she is still using a VRChat model while she can afford live in AirBnB's which means she prrrrrrrrooofits a lot off what she does, but she can't even ask for an original model to cover all of her bases.
Ngl, made me laugh when you talked about the drama farming comments. Pointing out you've been making drama content for years across multiple platforms just strengthens the allegations. 💀
Make the content you want it's not a big deal, but if your content is mostly drama you'll be called a drama farmer.
@@sleepen207 I mean then technically all news is drama farm content then. If something is being talked about then it's being talked about.
@@whoahanant Not really, news organizations are held to more scrutiny than RUclipsrs and Tiktokers. The actual content being presented also matters. We just had an election in the UK and it was covered all over the news, I wouldn't call keeping the nation informed drama farming.
Look at her content, the titles, and thumbnails. It's clearly geared towards an audience seeing the latest drama, especially in the art community. It doesn't matter to me if she does it, but lets not pretend.
@@sleepen207 she got the same information everyone does and the news uses reactionary titles all the time. I don't care whether she is or not but the news does the same thing.
@@whoahanant I mean, news outlets are organizations held to heavy scrutiny, with an obligation to remain impartial and inform their viewers of local/worldwide events. It can topics ranging from crime, politics, medical, scientific, ect.
I'd argue it's intellectually dishonest to look at the recent videos on her channel and compare it to, "all news". She is a RUclipsr/Tiktoker who recently (on RUclips) chooses to overwhelmingly cover accusations and scandals, using dramatic titles and thumbnails. She often inserts her own opinion, and is under no obligation to remain impartial.
Like I said, if she wants to make drama content then let her, I see nothing wrong with it. However, it's willfully ignorant to say she is the same as news networks. She's just a drama channel, there's no need for shame, just own it.
I have all ready queston at 2:30. Filian been streaming soo many years and now this topic start getting. I don't know i think the twitter post they did indeed only did not know that filan all ready make that.
Me, a hater of Filian.
"I have arrived."
Me a fan of filian I have arrived
As a hater, It feels so good to know that the thing your hating turns out to be actually bad.
@@leomichell2757 Liar. You've proven several times in your comments that you've never watched Filian and haven't watched this video.
As a long-time fan of Filian who simply knew EXACTLY what kind of person she really was and didn't dilude myself that she was some saint who could do no wrong, I feel happy that all these well-known things that never left the sphere of her fanbase are finally reaching a wider audience.
btw mint has different clothes, but those clothes are also sold separately for that model
"She mightve overlooked the tos" tf you mean, bro? She didnt even bought that model first of all and second - if you didnt know that something you did was illegal, doesnt mean that youre not going to jail for that, lol
i mean Ironmouse also start at free model(Lost Season 0) but look at how much model she has now and it completely original some of them even got to make figurine(and artist of that look also approved)
also reminder ALWAYS READ THE TOS IT COULD SAVE YOU A LOT OF TROUBLE!!!!
My opinion big company? Prate it if you want small creator or solo artist ect dont