This Vtuber Was EXPOSED For Cheating and Manipulating
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Both Surge and Ayako are now off the internet -- I hope they can be better, and big condolences to Aishi for everything they went through ;-;
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being poly doesn't mean a person gets the free opportunity to cheat on their partners, weren't poly amorous relationships all about communication and all parties involved knowing everything that is going on?
Correct! Being poly does not give you a right to cheat on your partners.
Normally people who are poly will tell their lover before hand then if they find someone interesting to date, they will discuss it with their partner and ask if it is okay. That is if their partner did not leave after hearing they are poly (since some people don’t really sit right with poly.).
Exactly, having a poly relationship is literally, an open and honest relationship with multiple partners.
Open and Honest
Yup it’s all about informed consent.
I see a lot of new gen poly people’s relationships fall apart because they are naive to think it means they can be loosey goosey
yeah! I’m polyamorous and polyamorous relationships are consensual all across the board
if somebody in the relationship isn’t cool with it, it’s not happening
The differences between being polyamorous and cheating is that being poly includes having trust, respect of partners, and even consent. Cheating doesn’t have any of these things, and it’s annoying as hell when people use the “but I’m poly :(“ as an excuse for cheating
If your mono and agree to a poly relationship your starting off the relationship with a massive L.😂
@@shangothunder1055 my question is why the hell is a mono person going in a poly relationship anyway… that’s just basically setting you up for distaster
@@coochiefruity Ignorance
@@coochiefruity they probably didn't know their partner was poly and for some the sudden "hey babe I'm poly" could come out of left field.
Especially when they didn't have these poly relationship feelings before they got together.
@@coochiefruity Hello there (i was solo poly with 1 mono partner next to other poly partners). The difference between the relationship i had and the one in the video is, that i was completely transparent and communicated EVERYTHING beforehand and during check ups within the relationship with the mono partner. She was fully aware about anything important and knew every partner herself.
Communication and transparency is absolute
Now we are mono together and will marry next month
As someone who is poly, I can say. You establish the rules before you get into a relationship. You let the other person know that you're poly, and then that's when you come up with the rules. Either it's a rule that you're allowed to be poly and your relationship more open, or you bring in a third, whatever it may be, or it's a monogamous relationship. Therefore, it is a closed-off relationship between just the two of you. If you agree with that, great, you're in a monogamous relationship; if you don't, you don't get into that relationship and stay single. If it's agreed the two of you are monogamous with just each other, and then if you step out of that, you are cheating. Period. You agreed to be monogamous, if you break that agreement, you cheated. But if you both agreed to an open relationship, it's okay. It all depends on the rules of the relationship you established before starting it. Communication is key.
@@abel0187 communication _and_ respecting boundaries
It was clear he wanted a reason to openly cheat, people like that use other people as SAFETY NETS and backup plans when their other relationships don't work out. He's a user, simple as is.
Yikes
As a poly queer guy
Polygamory is all about CONSENT AND THAT EVERYONE ARE ALRIGHT OR IN ON IT
Just because your poly,
Doesn't mean you get to flirt with every person when your partner ain't glad
Same as a polycurious lesbian
I hate when people weaponize the Poly label like it's a hall-pass to do whatever you want...
The golden rule of polyamory is CONSENT and COMMUNICATION. If you do stuff behind your partner's back in secret, that's cheating.
Also breaking up with someone who is poly does not instantly mean you "don't support their sexuality". It just means you're incompatible.
If one partner comes out as gay in a straight relationship and they break up, it doesn't mean they don't support each other????
I see so many poly relationships die hard because of things like that. Or when jealousy from monogamous people comes out.
silly thing but consent and communication is just the golden rule of any relationship.
People who are doing this are not poly. As you can tell they are never upfront and only bring up there sexuality once caught cheating or lying. They think if they just claim poly the LGBTQ people will defend them and it will give them perfect defence.
@@Aloysius_OHareIt’s not naturally honest that’s why 99% fail.😂
Just some added context, Bagz was my old Vtube design and name. While in the middle of this I was preparing for a rebrand that has since gone through.
Okay :^
kudos to you for the apologies and standing by the victims- you're a good friend man.
I love your pfp, its soooo crispy...
I hope you're doing well
something to ADD here is that surge said he would be taking accountability but just today it has been revealed he hasn't graduated and instead is just rebranding/on a new persona still with his management
This makes me angry. These people cannot understand and respect other people's boundaries but demands for theirs to be respected. SuRge making it all about poly, poly, and poly but cant understand that it's not about the sexuality but the fact that he CHEATED. dang
Surprised he didn't try to say "God gave me permission to be with who I want" as an excuse to cheat
Surge doesnt understand that this isnt about him being happy with both of them..its about aishi being upset when youre with the two of them
Here's my take: It doesn't matter what your sexuality is, if you can't be in a relationship without sleeping around with other people behind the other persons back, don't be in a relationship. Because that shit follows you. There could be one person you cheat on and they feel like it's their fault and keep quiet and hold it in, and then you cheat on someone else who will make your life hell for it. They'll dig up every bit of dirt and make sure no one would want you.
Reminds me of that big TTRPG figure who manipulated a polyamorous creator into exclusively dating him because he said he's monogamous, yet he went around secretly dating other people while claiming to be polyamorous to them, then also badmouthing the person he was STILL IN A RELATIONSHIP with to people in the TTRPG circles.
The poly argument was lowkey crazy omg???
Cheaters always playing victim i swear
Because they are usually narcissists or sociopaths
@@Weezerlover182 ikr
@@Weezerlover182 Not to mention they know what'll happen if their fans find out the truth
22:43 “are you gonna believe ME? or your LYING EYES?” type of shit LOL
If her not wanting him to date more people is disrespecting his poly orientation, then why doesn't he think him wanting to date more people when she doesn't is disrespecting her monogamous orientation...? Make it make sense...
If you lost friends because you made their girlfriends uncomfortable, its very telling of how you behave and act.
Its not a mistake when people cheat its an active decision to disrespect your partner this is all very sad I hope the best for Aishi
Ayako really didn't touch on the subject in her apology. She could have said a bit more, especially to apologize to Aishi. None of the stuff she actually did was addressed. Not to mention the fact she, in the same breath of her apology, suddenly dropped that she made an attempt on her life.
By the way, mental hospitals (the place you go right after an attempt, speaking from personal experience) do not allow you to have your phone. There is no logical way she should have been able to make that post if she was in the mental hospital (there is really no time before going into the hospital to post either). The police escort you there right away and you have to sign the papers, then they take your phone and you are in. Even in the escort car, they DO NOT want you on your phone.
They do HAVE to allow you access to A phone, but they do NOT allow you access to YOURS.
In hospitals that DO allow you your phone, you are allowed VERY limited use, and part of those limits is not being allowed connection to the internet. These places are very, very strict and surveilant.
How did she even make that post if she made an attempt so recently and is not yet out? Why is she talking about having her DMs open? It feels like she is trying to make an emergency out just so people won't hold her accountable.
I doubt she had an attempt, at least one that she actually reported (the only way police would be there, and regardless of her wants they WOULD have to take her in after that) or she would not be online, let alone allegedly being unstable enough to make an attempt on her life, yet somehow stable enough to make an "apology", recognize that she may burden her friends by remaining in public spaces they are involved in, and accept DMs about the situation that she's trying to imply made her want to *** herself.
yeah I was like how is she accepting dms where she would probably get harrassed because of what she did when her mental health is so bad she made an attempt??? Like hello twitter was the last place you want to go after an attempt, maybe your private messages with your friends but not OPENING your DMs. The whole thing was scummy, somehow all of these bad people on the internet suddenly attempt to take their life when they're the ones under fire when they were doing completely fine before, which can happen Im not invalidating their experience but it's weird that they all mention it in their apologies...
@@vaelia1203 Exactly. I was hesitant to say it but so many of these times where people say such things it doesn't read as even remotely true. They never feel guilty, let alone guilty enough to attempt to take their own life, until they are caught. Guilt does not work that way. And even then, the mere notion of being caught, especially if the situation is redeemable, would not be enough for most people to consider such a thing unless they were either already dealing with loads of issues that made them unstable or they had mental conditions that made them highly unstable.
I can't speak on if Ayako had any such conditions, but she definitely seemed perfectly stable before, so even if she was going through a lot before the reveal, she was stable enough to handle it. The fact it allegedly pushed her over that edge, which is at the highest peak might I mind you, when she showed no signs whatsoever previously is very, very questionable.
And again, as is evident from people that have ACTUALLY been to those places and such, she is not in a mental hospital. And if she is not in a mental hospital, the police did not show up at her house for any attempt on her life or even to harm herself in ANY capacity.
They do NOT want you on your phone, because they can't track who you are talking to or what you are doing. You could make your situation worse, you could try to get out early without being stable, etc. Hence any mental hospital worth their cents does NOT allow you your phone.
I went to a very, very shitty one (that forced diabetic kids to eat all their food and wouldn't let them go to their rooms if they didn't, despite the food being... Well, not safe for them. They also put SA victims in the same groups as people who committed SA without monitoring them, causing those victims to go through MORE experiences) and even THAT facility knew not to allow anyone their phones, which is the industry's standard.
The key to a good relationship is to be honest and never hide things from anyone, just because he's poly doesn't mean he should disrespect boundaries smh
This whole thing infuriated me so much because as someone who is in a queer polyamory relationship, it sucks to see people use my orientation for an excuse to be absolutely awful to someone. You can just not commit if you feel like you can't give your all to just a single person, it is not fair to the monogamist whatsoever. I hope she and all those involved heal from this and Surge and that other horrible woman get what they exactly deserve.
Out of topic, but damn, the dislikes from those guys are getting out of hand.
Sounds like the poly gang got mad Lol
@@junyaiwase dont lump us in with him.
yessssss, honestly idc bout vtubers but u make it seem interesting so I watch ur videos. I rly liked the 30 min videos but I was like, if she were to ever post a 4hour long video I would def be happy to watch it! And now this is the 2nd 1 hour long video u posted! Keep posting the long video I love them! I like to watch and listen while I draw❤keep up the great work kat!🥰🥰
His whole defense is "i'M pOLy" but that's not the point??
Surge made such good music videos, and had such talent and a promising future. It's so sad how some people who have a great future ahead, become manipulative, p3d0, or something else.
And again these people should be in therapy and not some influencers ^^
I feel a lot of people need therapy, which ofc doesnt exclude the parties involved here.
@@Adoreoo The thing is they constantly talk about Trauma, healing bla bla etc. but never go to therapy.
The amount of "damage" these people have is mindnumbing
My first and ONLY experience with someone who was poly was an abusive both mentally and psychically and my boundary was that i just wanted to meet any girl he was talking to just to get to known them so I'd feel safe because I also had trauma with being compared to someone whos prettier. He introduced me to only of the girls ever and it was AFTER they were edating eachother. I tried really hard to be friends with them and they ignored me and talked shit about me behind my back. Anytime I got sad my ex would just say I wasn't accepting and that it was the only thing that would break the relationship yet when I said I wanted to leave that horrible toxic environment he would give me non alive threats and threaten to kick me out on the other side of the country than himself . Poly gets a really bad rep from people like that who hide it OR clearly fake it to make excuses for cheating, its honestly really sad because even tho I am mono I've supported poly people because I think a group setting relationship could work under the right circumstances and make someone happy but instead its usually a bunch of snakes who go under the title
Edit: Something of importance to add to this is I have BPD and he was diagnosed ASPD and he heavily took advantage of my BPD and would use threatening to leave me and blocking me to manipulate me
Sarge reminds me so much of my “friend”, the way they both manipulate the same is disgusting. I feel so bad for Aishi and I hope she’s okay now because holy crap, she went through too much.
"In a perfect world" aka the guy wants a harem, not an actual health poly relationship. Then turned around and tried to make his ex look like a bigot for not bowing to his bullshit.
Thats what I don't get for him. If he wanted a HAREM of women, he can still do that without being sneaky. Just clearly let them know that its a harem.
@@Aloysius_OHareWell if he let’s them know ahead of time it’ll be much harder to pull off let alone maintain.
@@shangothunder1055 how so?
@@Aloysius_OHare It’s hard to swindle somebody when you let them know you’re swindling them.😂
@@shangothunder1055 Having a harem doesn't mean you're swindling someone
Man why did the bad people always do their apologies and mentioning to end their life??
I'm sorry but even if she wasn't supportive of him being poly, why is it that bad??? The most important about poly relationships is both sides is okey with it.
AN HOUR? IM LOCKING IN
Vtuber drama never ends, especially with the community expanding
Dated a guy who was hyper sexxxl and wanted to be in a poly relationship. Just him. I couldn't do it cause I was ace and not about that life, also I was not really cool with it and even cried about it until I caved in due to his needs I couldn't give him. But after knowing that he said I couldn't be in one cause he wanted me all to himself. As he said he wanted to be in a poly relationship he said this to me. "Sorry for being in one and not wanting you to be in one. That is so mean, but you have to promise me that you will never bring this up if we brake up."
LIKE! WHO DOSE THAT!? I wish I knew at the time that was him just using that as a way to be unfaithful, and like a idiot I kept my promise when we did broke up to never bring it up during the brake up fight. Why? Cause I at least kept a promise unlike him.
How you fall for that?😂 L
Yeah my no. 1 rule for relationships is nothing gets to be one sided. If he sets rules on me, I set rules on him. A few of my relationships were set where I couldn’t have male friends, so I had to put the rule that they couldn’t have female friends as well.
And secrets that become suspicious definitely won’t be kept secrets, depending on context.
@@shangothunder1055 honestly it was my first gay relationship, and a lot of ace people go poly for there lovers they can't provide for. I just realized too late it's not my life style.
only 2 mins in and man this is hitting a little too close to home. I feel so bad for people experiencing the same shit i have, man.. its sad theres so many shitty people everywhere
The phrase I always use is "if everywhere you go smells like crap, check your pants"
Poly relationships die so often because of JEALOUSY, CHEATING or MONOGAMY entering the relationships. He can have his HAREM with other people.
There's like an update for the Surge drama, he moved to BiliBili ijbol and his management/entertainment is gaslighting.
should be common sense that being poly doesnt = oh i can sleep with someone without partner knowing- thats the whole purpose of being poly?? all three ppl are together and partners..
its like having an open relationship w/ one person, you should still communicate with the person and not just cheat on them.. it makes even less sense to be poly and cheat..
had no idea this person i knew of from a collab was like this.. and then the typical delating all their accounts and saying they'll change
like jfc if you want something else in a relationship just break up tf but of course ppl want to have it both ways
Babe woke up, kat just dropped an hour long vidoe
What is wrong with the vtuber community 😭😭 why do a lot of people do stuff like this😪
For real 😭
Due to how young the concept of vtubing is on top of how flavor of the month it is, I think they just have a disgusting amount of bad eggs compared to established content creation fields. That's my take, anyway. It's popping off, it's attracting awful people, and eventually the genre will just sort of filter them out with time.
@@DeliriumBorder literally I’ve really only seen the bad interactions of being a vtuber😭😭
@@MakkyMaksAsk yourself why and how you only see vtubers as that then
@@chiizuu752 huh? People only post the bad interactions? What do thou mean?
I actually didn't know any of this happened until I wanted to listen to Surge's song covers, but I was presented with this video. Glad I was.
It's a shame and disgusting, Surge had some good song covers. 😞
as a poly person with two lovely partners, we do not claim them
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You've helped me get so much art done. You're an incredible narrator and commentator,
I have known so MANY people that do that, knew a girl who home-wrecked a relationship and for MONTHS before she was handsy with the guy and she said it was just her personality. She was handsy with one girl, but when I hung-out with them she stayed about five feet away from me because she knew that I wouldn't believe fake affection like that. It was so incredibly obvious that she was just claiming it was her personality in order to get attention from certain guys. The thing is, the girl she homewrecked was also a terrible person too, genuinely just so messy. I am so glad to have better friends.
That’s the problem with people in polygamous relationships, “it’s not cheating if the relationship is open” but it’s basically insinuating that they’ve already found someone, and they just want to get away with it without consequences.
as someone who used to be poly and was in a poly relationship, you HAVEEE to have consent and communication. that’s literally the main factor of a poly relationship, you HAVE to communicate and gain consent from any parties involved in the relationship. i personally think that this is common sense, but apparently it isn’t…
But honestly why would you even want to have a long term relationship with a cheater 😂? They did it once and they can do it again. You’re not going to be the chosen one and make the cheater stop and settle with you forever. There’s always going to be someone better out there in the eyes of a cheater.
Off topic but like, I was shocked at 3:29, "DID SHE JUST CALLED OUT MY NAME???" 😭
I am hurt by reading these cringe ass apologies
Unrelated to this current video but it's quite obvious this channel is now being dogpiled by a certain group.
Its by the group rev is sending. To defend that NSFW loli group. Who couldn't handle other peoples opinions on them and sent harassment squad then learnt what you send you receive. Also rev and that community is trying to blame Kat for one of the loli people trying to commit S*.
@@romeunleashed2Because it is true.
@@Saishi-i4p Alot of commenting without the proof of timestamp. You guys she said this and she said that she did this. Yet none of you can prove anything except say well rev said it.
@@romeunleashed2 No because we watched the Video you Donut but you want to Ragebait everyone here to lose their Temper but that doesn't work on us
wait what's going on?
As somebody who was in a friendship with Surge I can safely say I was devastated when all of these allegations came out, and To be fucking honest I was more flabbergast after many of my friends pointed out that these allegations are true. I feel disgusted and decieved and out of the loop. I wish I could've done something...
The only people that care about this are just drama hungry. Unless you know the people involved irl and/or can actually do something about it just ignore it. Stuff like this happens and its just part of life, yeah yall hate to hear it but its true. Enough said.
I would like to mention that surge has come back and deleted his apology
The fact i supported him before. I really liked his covers but it felt too good to be true.
another 1h video so soon? i feel like you're spoiling us
Have you seen the new video made on you kat? someone has made a video on you and i am worried you'll get harassed.
Ya gotta love how the people have a problem with the group being harassed(not even by her) and yet they are harassing her it's a bit hypocritical 😂
Eh don't worry about it the people that will end up harassing her are known to be rabid
Just don't engage and let them look as crazy as they act I promise you kat will be fine
They made such trash ‘counterattacks’ to her video like it doesn’t make any sense at all.
People who attacked the little predator vtubers attacked them because those vtubers were going out of their way to pretend to be 6yr olds and post NFSW content.
It really felt like he was in support of that predator behavior and anyone else clowning the evidence provided. SOME Men disgust me.
@@Aloysius_OHare That last part sounded a bit… strange
@@嗨呀有 Sorry which part, maybe I should reiterate what I mean. Was it the men disgust me part? Thats a personal opinion, I should probably fix it to say SOME
I keep hearing that cute cat in the background- I thought it was my cats so I kept turning around but it was the video lol
Surgevt RUclips videos are gone bro💀 deserved😶
People like Surge is the reason I can't handle poly relationships. I've HAD partners who used it as an excuse to cheat, but that doesn't make it "alright". I've HAD partners who manipulated me into thinking I was the issue and stuck in my own head. I've had bad partners just like him.
Thankfully, I now have an amazing partner who respects me and is always truthful. I'll never have to endure another "Surge" (For the romance lovers, my partner and my 1 year anniversary will be on Halloween :D).
I heavily applaud anyone who can speak up because I know what's it's like. It's really hard because you don't know who to trust, who'll listen, and who'll try to silence you... But you can speak up. Just like Aishi. You can find that strength to speak up. I sincerely wish you all the luck and love and support for when you do.
WHY ARE ALL MY COMFORT PEOPLE GOING BAD 😭 FIRST WILBUR SOOT, THEN KAGE NOW SURGE!? BRO WHOS NEXT???!! VOX AKUMA??? DAISHIMA!? (small vtuber, would recommend watching) WHATS GOIN ONNNNN
At this point, so many vtubers are manipulators. It makes it even worse knowing this one was associated with Bapha :^
They should all be in therapy instead of being influencers....
Vtubers are still people, dude. People forget Vtubers/Pngtuber is still a person with an avatar.
Content Creators, Idols, Streamers, Actors, Influencers etc- are people. Anyone can become a vtuber, including the good and bad. Just hiding your bad behavior is easier behind a pretty face.
When are you going to talk about the follow up loli-puff drama since the loli-puff group released a statement?
Anyone getting mad at Kaliente for reporting on Vtuber drama are hilariously odd. She talks about it, she doesn’t send anyone on her behalf to report anyone. This is again HER OPINION
Anyone feel the need to attack anyone is THEIR choice. If you can’t handle that, go quietly support your little girl vtubers
Also for the lolicons: 21:45
It's funny because people keep bringing up the same excuses for why lolicon is okay like "oh it's just fiction" like somehow that doesn't make them p*dos. And then when you call them that they say "I'm not harming any children" which I retort with "I didn't say you did, I just said you're probably a p*do. P*do and child predator are not the same, it's like how a rectangle isn't a square, but a square is a rectangle." P*do just describes the attraction, predator is the action, just because you choose to not prey on children and indulge in your paraphilia by looking at loli p*rn doesn't suddenly make you not a p*do.
These loli lovers are insane
@@j.b.l.0-f3zright, like Rev really outed himself as a Lolicon lover for that video.
Like dis he acknowledged that those very vtubers were pretending to be little girls yet posting about sexual content. Or the one where they themselves go out of their way to take other vtubers down.
Forget Kaliente ENTIRELY, the issue is Vtubers should not be children ‘loli’ characters that are child height. But im not going out of my way to harrass them. Simply report and go on my way.
Also for anyone trying to claim that she wasted FBI resources, no she didn’t. Thats not how the FBI works. They already have operations out there to try to save the kids.
I hate this culture on RUclips where people can say you're insghting harassment if you don't explicitly condemn it. Like are you serious? You shouldn't have to tell people to behave in a normal way and just passively consume the drama content. It's common sense to not harass a person/people over a RUclipsr making a critical video about that person/those people.
Even then no matter how much you tell people to not harass the creator covered, people will still do it. There's only so much you can do when potentially thousands of people can come across your video, I think it is unfair to hold creators responsible for the actions of viewers when they don't do anything to nudge or outright insight harassment. It doesn't have to all be explicit and clear, but if there is no mention or even slight hinting towards "harass these people" then it's unfair to say the creator is responsible
@@dorkenspache8353 RIGHHHT. Like people should take videos with a grain of salt. The video ALWAYS will be the opinion of the video maker. Then you take that information, sit on it and then come up with your own opinions. If you don't like someone, that's your OWN opinion. Then you go and do what you feel like, report them or block them. EZ.
Here's how I assessed the video.
Where people got VERY upset to the point of attacking those vtubers was, "Hey these ADULTS, are PRETENDING to be loli vtubers yet claim their vtuber models are the age of (under 18) here's the screenshots of what someone gathered that was in their community. Here is what they posted and said" and that content was about them sexualizing their "loli" vtuber models that were supposedly children. Adding Kinks to their vtube models and other stuff confirming that they're trying to be LITTLE KIDS, not petite women.
People wouldn't have cared if the vtubers sexualized their own human bodies if they were truly petite women.
They do care when Age claimed children vtube models are being portayed in a manner where grown men, pretend that they're over 18 to sexualize or fan over them.
48:39 for her second point I think she's trying to say that surge was trying to say that Aishi was purposely trying to manipulate / guilt trip him into spending more time with her.
Then he stated that they already spent enough time together already so he wanted to spend more time with the other woman.
Which to me is highly and hella sus as what's the point of being in a relationship. If you're just going to disregard your partner's feelings? Then try to do an UNO reverse card gaslighting by basically lying and telling everybody else that your ex-girlfriend was the cause of all of it yet in actuality you were.
I'm not going to defend surge but he should have came clean the moment Aishi said she was uncomfortable. Also I agree that just because you're poly doesn't mean that you should use that as an excuse to cheat.
If this were me and he told me that regardless if I were a man or woman. I would have straight up told him this 👇🏽
"Bro just shut up ok you're making this a lot worse than it already is and you're digging a hole for yourself that's just getting deeper and deeper.
You said your Poly multiple times but that doesn't excuse the fact that you've cheated on me. Nor does it excuse the fact that you're using it as an excuse.
Also what does poly have to do with you breaking up with me, cheating on me behind my back, and saying you don't have feelings for this other person. Yet you still caught feelings for this other person you told me not to worry about.
Also you disregarded MULTIPLE FUCKING times afterI told you I was uncomfortable being in calls with you and her. Because I felt like you were trying to rub it in my face and guilt trip me into raging out on both of you. You did this fully aware that you were already in a relationship with me. Yet you're going to sit there and lie about what actually happened when there's actual proof of what really happened between us gtfoh with that bs.
Then you're going to try to say that I gaslit you and manipulated you to go against the girl you caught feelings for? No no no that's not going to fly with me especially when I told you that I had trauma dealing with this type of BS in the past. Yet you're going to make me out to be the bad guy for what reason to boost your little ego?
No offense to you I'm glad we're broken up, I hope the best for you and don't you ever text me again. I don't want to hear from you or anyone in your friend group ever again do I make myself clear."
ah shit here we go again..
Nah-
22:32 i was just thinking the same thing!!! 😮💨my ex used the exact same language too, ugghh so gross. reading his msgs is giving me a major ick
i went through something similar, but the other girl wasn't AS dumb, holy.
Not the singer 😭
An 1h video?! Dang bro keep going (σ≧▽≦)σ
Im really sad cuz he deleted the channel and he had really good covers on there 😔
Being poly doesn't mean you can't be in a monogamous relationship... only the person can know what they want to do.. He clearly didn't want tho, and it's on him
Also, I hate the "I developed felling but I didn't want to, it just happened"... and act like an unknown force made them cheat... like, yeah, sometimes feelings happen.. you turn around and do nothing, simple... feeling don't control your actions like a marionette
As someone who also had a cheater ex who hid behind polyamory
this was a VERY fun watch :)
not gonna lie here she REALLY hates the loli thing that happen a couple weeks ago lol
Honestly that sucks. I liked his music covers and has a great voice. But it's a bummer that he is not a cool dude behind the scenes.
Yoo, new video! ❤ love it!
always the vtubers
Says the genshin player
@@chiizuu752I dont play genshin my laptop cant handle it :(
Loving these long ass videos ❤️
Ima be honest sometime when your just attractive you guy friends girlfriends naturally feel threatened I had coworker who are 40 and partner are who ask their partner if me and their bf have something going on I'm 22 ansld was never flirtatious she literally saw a photo of me on fb and assumed something was going on
Does anyone know what happened to the video about bapha?
it seems like the video was copyright struck by kawaiibrittanii 🤔
It just got backkkk (I know it got reinstated only a few hours ago cuz it was on my watch later & 3 hours ago it was still telling me the vid was deleted)
I like crows 🐦⬛
It's always the vtubers😭
As a lover of RUclips drama it's literally every large online community lol.
I dont like the person but i loved his song covers
do they really in relationship in real life tho ? or just a their online persona
It´s hard to be a polyglot these days
I don't believe poly is a sexuality. It's a lifestyle, it's a choice. This person is ONLY poly so they can entrap someone in a relationship, but still get to sleep around. Poly people should not seek out monogamous people.
Being polyamory is being open with your partner and having consent with your partner(s) 🫤 Dude totally withdrew all the information, hoping Aisha would fold for him.
This guy is totally using it as an excuse. If he's actual poly or not, he's for sure a cheating asshole.
Remember a time when we kept stuff like this to ourselves / offline? lel :D
Bapha deez.
Huh. Anyone can have feelings for multiple people right? I mean come on. Poly is not a gender or orientation, it’s simply the fact you are wanting a multi party relationship … he’s definitely using it as an excuse … hmm 🤔 correct me if I’m wrong :)
genuine question, how is being poly a sexuality? that's a choice, a want, "I want two partners", it's not an uncontrollable thing like being gay. Idk, man, that seems like a lifestyle choice and not a sexuality you're literally born with.
It's not. They say they just can't help but catch feelings for others, but that's just being unfaithful with permission. Of course, if you knowingly get into a relationship with someone who outright tells you "hey, I am going to want other partners than just you", you can't really complain about it.
Its not a sexuality. But its def not just a choice. Youre either poly or not and you cannot force yourself to be poly.
And when monogamous people try it tends to go badly! They dont have a good time!
It’s not a sexuality but it’s not also something you can deliberately avoid in a sense. It’s a practise that people perform :/
@@darklordsatan4383 And here we see why you cannot choose to be poly. I genuinly dont understand how someone comes up with "unfaithful but with permission", but that's because I am poly. Not monogamous.
And seriously. If anyone reading this is monogamous, dont let anyone try and coax you into a poly relationship. Its not wrong to go: No. It wont work for me.
Dont let anyone grind down your boundaries
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 By this logic, literally every cheater can use the excuse that "they're just poly" and "can't choose not to desire other people".
Monogamous people might be attracted to other people too. But they love and respect their partner enough to be faithful.
"Poly" people do not want to give up their "freedom" to explore other people, but they are capable of it if they actually tried to put their one partner before themselves. This is literally why the majority of "poly" people I have known of end up settling down in monogamous relationships after they get a bit older. It IS a choice.
But it is a choice you are free to take, as long as you are honest about it. If you are open from the beginning that you want to have several partners, and that you are not going to stay loyal to a single one, then you are free to do so.
But just don't try to use the excuse that you literally can't help it, and that you just *need* to have multiple partners, and are incapable of staying loyal. Don't compare it to being gay, which you literally cannot choose.
You lied a lot about a lot of things. Could you next time get more information on it instead of just saying things You don't even know what? lolis are
Out of curiosity is it just the Loli's vid she did poor research on or are there others. All I hear is just the loli's one due to what Rev says Desu. If there is more I would like to know.
One video of misinformation is fine, in the case of bad research, and plus if you’re saying she lied about something in this video, maybe you could spread that information?
Bruh stfu this is a completely different situation
You’re acting like she cursed that creator’s mother. One video of misinformation doesn’t discredit her normally well researched videos. How DARE Kat make a single mistake? She didn’t even speak rudely. All she did was give her two cents on the situation and even what she said was incredibly neutral.
@@pancaqq4578 then why is she covering topics she clearly has no knowledge at all? And when you do fuk up you should correct that instead of deleting comments that call you out on your BS.
22:05 I'm personally also against people who like loli content, but that's not the thing they're saying you lied about😭😭
Why? What we do to you?
@@anonymouspigeonfrfrYall are gross
@@bejiss337Awesome
@@anonymouspigeonfrfr so you admit ur gross. says a lot
I need helpp im sure most of you guys in here are probably older than me n above 18 i js need some advice😞
Isn't this the drama youtuber spreading misinformation about small vtubers?
aren't you the loser who cares too much about lolicons?
Sighs…
1. Better with the information please, since you already got called out by someone for being a misinformed RUclipsr about the loli situation.
2. Can someone who actually knows what happened with SuRge cover it? As he’s the only other Koifish vtuber I know of as of this comment and I genuinely liked him. (Not parasocial. More of liked his content and his covers of songs.)
3. If this is all true, I will be genuinely heartbroken. I would HATE to see that it is true about SuRge.
That is all I have to say.
1) If you mean the group lolis… they’re self admitted lolis and call their characters children. Difference between an adult petite woman and a child. If you mean when she was questioning whether or not the green haired model was loli… that’s up for you to decide
2/3) Figure it out yourself and do your own research! That’s normally what I do when I want to learn more about individuals I find interesting content wise!
Why are you defending a group pretending to be minors and doing adult actions anyway? That is very very weird.
I was a fairly close friend to Surge, & am still a close friend to Arby & Aishi due to meeting them through a mutual friend of ours (Ash), about nearly two years ago. As much as it hurts to hear, this info is sadly all true, from him enabling Bapha’s horrible behavior to being a manipulative & toxic partner to Aishi as well as trying to make us believe that we should be on his side & not Aishi's.
There was a particular VC call I was in with Arby & Surge during March 2023 in Ash's server, a couple of weeks before he broke up with Aishi. He sounded so disgusted when mentioning Aishi, not even saying her name while mentioning that she was crazy & that she was disrespecting the fact that he was poly. He only was like this when Ash left for a bit & he assumed that I was also away from the computer as I was on mute. But I was actually writing info about my VTuber persona at the time, & had actually heard everything from that brief conversation about her. It was completely different from the beginning of their relationship, where Aishi & Surge were seen as the most delightful & cute couple, especially when they were in VC or on stream. I knew back then that I didn't have all the details, but I had enough info to know that I couldn't completely view Surge in a positive light anymore.
Some time after, Surge would try to manipulate me & Ash separately that Aishi was a crazy ex & that she wouldn't leave him alone after the break-up. But I had the knowledge of that conversation with him & Arby in my mind still, which had made me skeptical of what he was telling me. I ended up continuing to support Aishi & gradually talking to Surge less & less until he grew bigger as a cover singer. I don't know what exactly he told Ash. But in a recent post of his, Ash confirmed that he fortunately also continued to support Aishi despite what he was told. I should note too that Ash usually isn't one for drama like me & we stay in our lanes. However, this case here made him be more vocal because these guys were/are our friends, especially since they were some of our first VTuber friends. They even met for the first time during Christmas of that year & I was happy for them whenever I was told a lot of details during that trip.
As of now, Surge deleted everything on his YT & got rid of his other social media & Twitch. But we later actually found out several hours ago that he was trying to rebrand & start again on BiliBili, to which he later took that link out again from his YT some time afterwards. Ayako also went inactive to avoid getting hate for also enabling Bapha's behavior & being manipulative like Surge was.
@@romeunleashed2Theres a video discussing this topic more. And calling out Kat for lack of information. A part of the video shows the discord message that Kat used as a bad example from one of the lolis, it turns out the loli who made that message only made it AFTER being harassed by Kat’s fans and other people.
And the person who called them out isn’t so innocent either, in the video that calls out Kat, the person shows messages from that person (tweets) that shows this claim of them being not so innocent. I am not defending them. I am saying that Kat does not do more research and needs to.
@@pancaqq4578I am not defending the Loli’s with my first statement, In Kat’s video she leaves out information that is valuable. Since she didn’t do much research.
There was a vtuber who called her out on this, showing the missing pieces that Kat had missed and showing that the person who had called out the loli’s werent all so innocent either and that Kat used only one of their messages/tweets instead of all of them. She based it off of one single tweet and did not show the other tweets that led up to that point.
Either way, Kat, herself, did not have any information or background on the situation.
I don't know what actually happened with that loli Vtuber group stuff but by saying that it's not gonna put a dent on you making it a thousand times worse and it's not gonna help you defend your point.
Katliente.. we all know what you did in that loli vtuber group video...
You don't have high power.. stop saying you do. You're just embarrassing yourself.
(Her not doing enough research is not acceptable, stop calling me a lolicon. She literally defended a shota that got a play button and then got banned, her excuse was literally "I dIdN't KnoW tHEir PasT")
You’re a predator 😂
@@Aloysius_OHare 16 yo is a predator woo!!! Do your research. She spreads misinfo LMAO.
People called her out for her BS, she did NOT like that.
@@j.b.l.0-f3z She literally spreads misinfo. Do research.
@@SimplyMatthew Okay, since you know so much about what misinformation she spread, what was it and I can rewatch her video JUST for you to make you (A CHILD) understand how adulthood works. I will hit every point.
Btw 16 yr olds can be predators too. There are cases of people your age, hurting little kids.
@@Aloysius_OHare Ok first of all, I do not like loli, I do find it weird but she literally said she DOESN'T KNOW MUCH about loli. If she doesn't know ANYTHING about it she SHOULDN'T be making a video on it. She LITERALLY calls herself a NEWS RUclipsr.
She also used only ONE google doc as evidence that apparently didn't have all of the details that were needed. There were MULTIPLE google docs.
And after people shitted on her bc of this, she started to defend herself. You can't defend someone who barely does research ESPECIALLY if they are a NEWS RUclipsr.
She's a literally a coward that targets small VTubers and it's obvious.
I’m sorry girl but you need to do better….”they’re not big enough to put a dent in me” it screams narcissistic behavior please actually do some research before jumping into drama.
Right like girl people will still come after you no matter how big you are 😂
@@j.b.l.0-f3z Not even that they are now trying to gaslight her and make her feel like she almost caused the death of one of the loli vtubers. This is how bad revs community is and rev is endorsing it.
@@j.b.l.0-f3zShe did spread misinformation.
@@Saishi-i4p You still have no timestamp on those stuff.
leave the vtuber community
Please stay in your lane. It's obvious you know nothing about how vtubers work and are grifting off of something you've got zero clue about.
You were liked more when you talked about art scams and AI art anyway.
The only reason she's talking about these subjects is because people (and mainly victims in these cases) want it to be heard out. The loli video, I understand why people are very upset. Regardless the victims in THIS video are happy she mentioned what SuRge did to them.
@@Rand0m_B0z0 Exactly
Anyone is welcome to make a video about any topic they want, if you come from another video just to say this its sad.
Bruh she can't make a video about a public situation now?? stfu
@@snoopystonerr@snoopystonerr no one is claiming otherwise. But when you claim to be a "news youtuber" and a clear tourist/grifter with little to no knowledge on the subjects shes covering one would assume there would be research done.
But hey, whatever gets the clicks amirite.