being poly doesn't mean a person gets the free opportunity to cheat on their partners, weren't poly amorous relationships all about communication and all parties involved knowing everything that is going on?
Correct! Being poly does not give you a right to cheat on your partners. Normally people who are poly will tell their lover before hand then if they find someone interesting to date, they will discuss it with their partner and ask if it is okay. That is if their partner did not leave after hearing they are poly (since some people don’t really sit right with poly.).
yeah! I’m polyamorous and polyamorous relationships are consensual all across the board if somebody in the relationship isn’t cool with it, it’s not happening
The differences between being polyamorous and cheating is that being poly includes having trust, respect of partners, and even consent. Cheating doesn’t have any of these things, and it’s annoying as hell when people use the “but I’m poly :(“ as an excuse for cheating
@@shangothunder1055 my question is why the hell is a mono person going in a poly relationship anyway… that’s just basically setting you up for distaster
@@coochiefruity they probably didn't know their partner was poly and for some the sudden "hey babe I'm poly" could come out of left field. Especially when they didn't have these poly relationship feelings before they got together.
@@coochiefruity Hello there (i was solo poly with 1 mono partner next to other poly partners). The difference between the relationship i had and the one in the video is, that i was completely transparent and communicated EVERYTHING beforehand and during check ups within the relationship with the mono partner. She was fully aware about anything important and knew every partner herself. Communication and transparency is absolute Now we are mono together and will marry next month
As a poly queer guy Polygamory is all about CONSENT AND THAT EVERYONE ARE ALRIGHT OR IN ON IT Just because your poly, Doesn't mean you get to flirt with every person when your partner ain't glad
As someone who is poly, I can say. You establish the rules before you get into a relationship. You let the other person know that you're poly, and then that's when you come up with the rules. Either it's a rule that you're allowed to be poly and your relationship more open, or you bring in a third, whatever it may be, or it's a monogamous relationship. Therefore, it is a closed-off relationship between just the two of you. If you agree with that, great, you're in a monogamous relationship; if you don't, you don't get into that relationship and stay single. If it's agreed the two of you are monogamous with just each other, and then if you step out of that, you are cheating. Period. You agreed to be monogamous, if you break that agreement, you cheated. But if you both agreed to an open relationship, it's okay. It all depends on the rules of the relationship you established before starting it. Communication is key.
It was clear he wanted a reason to openly cheat, people like that use other people as SAFETY NETS and backup plans when their other relationships don't work out. He's a user, simple as is.
"In a perfect world" aka the guy wants a harem, not an actual health poly relationship. Then turned around and tried to make his ex look like a bigot for not bowing to his bullshit.
I hate when people weaponize the Poly label like it's a hall-pass to do whatever you want... The golden rule of polyamory is CONSENT and COMMUNICATION. If you do stuff behind your partner's back in secret, that's cheating. Also breaking up with someone who is poly does not instantly mean you "don't support their sexuality". It just means you're incompatible. If one partner comes out as gay in a straight relationship and they break up, it doesn't mean they don't support each other????
People who are doing this are not poly. As you can tell they are never upfront and only bring up there sexuality once caught cheating or lying. They think if they just claim poly the LGBTQ people will defend them and it will give them perfect defence.
@@shangothunder1055It must be really fun to make up statistics online. Here, I'll make up one. 99% of straight people would happily hook up with their friends. 80% of monogamous people cheat. Isn't it great to just make up statistics to justify my beliefs online?
something to ADD here is that surge said he would be taking accountability but just today it has been revealed he hasn't graduated and instead is just rebranding/on a new persona still with his management
Here's my take: It doesn't matter what your sexuality is, if you can't be in a relationship without sleeping around with other people behind the other persons back, don't be in a relationship. Because that shit follows you. There could be one person you cheat on and they feel like it's their fault and keep quiet and hold it in, and then you cheat on someone else who will make your life hell for it. They'll dig up every bit of dirt and make sure no one would want you.
This makes me angry. These people cannot understand and respect other people's boundaries but demands for theirs to be respected. SuRge making it all about poly, poly, and poly but cant understand that it's not about the sexuality but the fact that he CHEATED. dang
Reminds me of that big TTRPG figure who manipulated a polyamorous creator into exclusively dating him because he said he's monogamous, yet he went around secretly dating other people while claiming to be polyamorous to them, then also badmouthing the person he was STILL IN A RELATIONSHIP with to people in the TTRPG circles.
This whole thing infuriated me so much because as someone who is in a queer polyamory relationship, it sucks to see people use my orientation for an excuse to be absolutely awful to someone. You can just not commit if you feel like you can't give your all to just a single person, it is not fair to the monogamist whatsoever. I hope she and all those involved heal from this and Surge and that other horrible woman get what they exactly deserve.
The key to a good relationship is to be honest and never hide things from anyone, just because he's poly doesn't mean he should disrespect boundaries smh
Ayako really didn't touch on the subject in her apology. She could have said a bit more, especially to apologize to Aishi. None of the stuff she actually did was addressed. Not to mention the fact she, in the same breath of her apology, suddenly dropped that she made an attempt on her life. By the way, mental hospitals (the place you go right after an attempt, speaking from personal experience) do not allow you to have your phone. There is no logical way she should have been able to make that post if she was in the mental hospital (there is really no time before going into the hospital to post either). The police escort you there right away and you have to sign the papers, then they take your phone and you are in. Even in the escort car, they DO NOT want you on your phone. They do HAVE to allow you access to A phone, but they do NOT allow you access to YOURS. In hospitals that DO allow you your phone, you are allowed VERY limited use, and part of those limits is not being allowed connection to the internet. These places are very, very strict and surveilant. How did she even make that post if she made an attempt so recently and is not yet out? Why is she talking about having her DMs open? It feels like she is trying to make an emergency out just so people won't hold her accountable. I doubt she had an attempt, at least one that she actually reported (the only way police would be there, and regardless of her wants they WOULD have to take her in after that) or she would not be online, let alone allegedly being unstable enough to make an attempt on her life, yet somehow stable enough to make an "apology", recognize that she may burden her friends by remaining in public spaces they are involved in, and accept DMs about the situation that she's trying to imply made her want to *** herself.
yeah I was like how is she accepting dms where she would probably get harrassed because of what she did when her mental health is so bad she made an attempt??? Like hello twitter was the last place you want to go after an attempt, maybe your private messages with your friends but not OPENING your DMs. The whole thing was scummy, somehow all of these bad people on the internet suddenly attempt to take their life when they're the ones under fire when they were doing completely fine before, which can happen Im not invalidating their experience but it's weird that they all mention it in their apologies...
@@vaelia1203 Exactly. I was hesitant to say it but so many of these times where people say such things it doesn't read as even remotely true. They never feel guilty, let alone guilty enough to attempt to take their own life, until they are caught. Guilt does not work that way. And even then, the mere notion of being caught, especially if the situation is redeemable, would not be enough for most people to consider such a thing unless they were either already dealing with loads of issues that made them unstable or they had mental conditions that made them highly unstable. I can't speak on if Ayako had any such conditions, but she definitely seemed perfectly stable before, so even if she was going through a lot before the reveal, she was stable enough to handle it. The fact it allegedly pushed her over that edge, which is at the highest peak might I mind you, when she showed no signs whatsoever previously is very, very questionable. And again, as is evident from people that have ACTUALLY been to those places and such, she is not in a mental hospital. And if she is not in a mental hospital, the police did not show up at her house for any attempt on her life or even to harm herself in ANY capacity. They do NOT want you on your phone, because they can't track who you are talking to or what you are doing. You could make your situation worse, you could try to get out early without being stable, etc. Hence any mental hospital worth their cents does NOT allow you your phone. I went to a very, very shitty one (that forced diabetic kids to eat all their food and wouldn't let them go to their rooms if they didn't, despite the food being... Well, not safe for them. They also put SA victims in the same groups as people who committed SA without monitoring them, causing those victims to go through MORE experiences) and even THAT facility knew not to allow anyone their phones, which is the industry's standard.
If her not wanting him to date more people is disrespecting his poly orientation, then why doesn't he think him wanting to date more people when she doesn't is disrespecting her monogamous orientation...? Make it make sense...
Instances like this literally are why it's so hard for people who aren't already poly to understand open up and respect that as a concept. He used it as an excuse to emotionally cheat and there's absolutely zero avoiding it as the truth.
yessssss, honestly idc bout vtubers but u make it seem interesting so I watch ur videos. I rly liked the 30 min videos but I was like, if she were to ever post a 4hour long video I would def be happy to watch it! And now this is the 2nd 1 hour long video u posted! Keep posting the long video I love them! I like to watch and listen while I draw❤keep up the great work kat!🥰🥰
My first and ONLY experience with someone who was poly was an abusive both mentally and psychically and my boundary was that i just wanted to meet any girl he was talking to just to get to known them so I'd feel safe because I also had trauma with being compared to someone whos prettier. He introduced me to only of the girls ever and it was AFTER they were edating eachother. I tried really hard to be friends with them and they ignored me and talked shit about me behind my back. Anytime I got sad my ex would just say I wasn't accepting and that it was the only thing that would break the relationship yet when I said I wanted to leave that horrible toxic environment he would give me non alive threats and threaten to kick me out on the other side of the country than himself . Poly gets a really bad rep from people like that who hide it OR clearly fake it to make excuses for cheating, its honestly really sad because even tho I am mono I've supported poly people because I think a group setting relationship could work under the right circumstances and make someone happy but instead its usually a bunch of snakes who go under the title Edit: Something of importance to add to this is I have BPD and he was diagnosed ASPD and he heavily took advantage of my BPD and would use threatening to leave me and blocking me to manipulate me
as someone who used to be poly and was in a poly relationship, you HAVEEE to have consent and communication. that’s literally the main factor of a poly relationship, you HAVE to communicate and gain consent from any parties involved in the relationship. i personally think that this is common sense, but apparently it isn’t…
Surge made such good music videos, and had such talent and a promising future. It's so sad how some people who have a great future ahead, become manipulative, p3d0, or something else.
I'm sorry but even if she wasn't supportive of him being poly, why is it that bad??? The most important about poly relationships is both sides is okey with it.
I actually didn't know any of this happened until I wanted to listen to Surge's song covers, but I was presented with this video. Glad I was. It's a shame and disgusting, Surge had some good song covers. 😞
@@Adoreoo The thing is they constantly talk about Trauma, healing bla bla etc. but never go to therapy. The amount of "damage" these people have is mindnumbing
Kat now reassuring me that I wasn't the one fucking up in my past relationship- (Bro talked with his ex which made me uncomfortable, he could talk to girls but I couldn't talk to guys even if it was for work. He said I'd be working at home and nothing else once we were to get married even though he knew I didn't want to be only working at home financially depending of someone else due to my own trauma.)
only 2 mins in and man this is hitting a little too close to home. I feel so bad for people experiencing the same shit i have, man.. its sad theres so many shitty people everywhere
Sarge reminds me so much of my “friend”, the way they both manipulate the same is disgusting. I feel so bad for Aishi and I hope she’s okay now because holy crap, she went through too much.
I have known so MANY people that do that, knew a girl who home-wrecked a relationship and for MONTHS before she was handsy with the guy and she said it was just her personality. She was handsy with one girl, but when I hung-out with them she stayed about five feet away from me because she knew that I wouldn't believe fake affection like that. It was so incredibly obvious that she was just claiming it was her personality in order to get attention from certain guys. The thing is, the girl she homewrecked was also a terrible person too, genuinely just so messy. I am so glad to have better friends.
I was nodding with you everytime you mentioned you had this conversation with your ex because the exact same thing happened to me. Dated ex in a mono relationship and then tried to get me to start a poly relationship with someone he was already cheating on me with. Basically misusing the label poly to justify his cheating. It's the exact same thing happening here. I wish the very best to ashi and give her lots of support. It's terrible what surge put her through.
Anyone getting mad at Kaliente for reporting on Vtuber drama are hilariously odd. She talks about it, she doesn’t send anyone on her behalf to report anyone. This is again HER OPINION Anyone feel the need to attack anyone is THEIR choice. If you can’t handle that, go quietly support your little girl vtubers Also for the lolicons: 21:45
It's funny because people keep bringing up the same excuses for why lolicon is okay like "oh it's just fiction" like somehow that doesn't make them p*dos. And then when you call them that they say "I'm not harming any children" which I retort with "I didn't say you did, I just said you're probably a p*do. P*do and child predator are not the same, it's like how a rectangle isn't a square, but a square is a rectangle." P*do just describes the attraction, predator is the action, just because you choose to not prey on children and indulge in your paraphilia by looking at loli p*rn doesn't suddenly make you not a p*do. These loli lovers are insane
@@j.b.l.0-f3zright, like Rev really outed himself as a Lolicon lover for that video. Like dis he acknowledged that those very vtubers were pretending to be little girls yet posting about sexual content. Or the one where they themselves go out of their way to take other vtubers down. Forget Kaliente ENTIRELY, the issue is Vtubers should not be children ‘loli’ characters that are child height. But im not going out of my way to harrass them. Simply report and go on my way. Also for anyone trying to claim that she wasted FBI resources, no she didn’t. Thats not how the FBI works. They already have operations out there to try to save the kids.
I hate this culture on RUclips where people can say you're insghting harassment if you don't explicitly condemn it. Like are you serious? You shouldn't have to tell people to behave in a normal way and just passively consume the drama content. It's common sense to not harass a person/people over a RUclipsr making a critical video about that person/those people. Even then no matter how much you tell people to not harass the creator covered, people will still do it. There's only so much you can do when potentially thousands of people can come across your video, I think it is unfair to hold creators responsible for the actions of viewers when they don't do anything to nudge or outright insight harassment. It doesn't have to all be explicit and clear, but if there is no mention or even slight hinting towards "harass these people" then it's unfair to say the creator is responsible
@@dorkenspache8353 RIGHHHT. Like people should take videos with a grain of salt. The video ALWAYS will be the opinion of the video maker. Then you take that information, sit on it and then come up with your own opinions. If you don't like someone, that's your OWN opinion. Then you go and do what you feel like, report them or block them. EZ.
Here's how I assessed the video. Where people got VERY upset to the point of attacking those vtubers was, "Hey these ADULTS, are PRETENDING to be loli vtubers yet claim their vtuber models are the age of (under 18) here's the screenshots of what someone gathered that was in their community. Here is what they posted and said" and that content was about them sexualizing their "loli" vtuber models that were supposedly children. Adding Kinks to their vtube models and other stuff confirming that they're trying to be LITTLE KIDS, not petite women. People wouldn't have cared if the vtubers sexualized their own human bodies if they were truly petite women. They do care when Age claimed children vtube models are being portayed in a manner where grown men, pretend that they're over 18 to sexualize or fan over them.
Dated a guy who was hyper sexxxl and wanted to be in a poly relationship. Just him. I couldn't do it cause I was ace and not about that life, also I was not really cool with it and even cried about it until I caved in due to his needs I couldn't give him. But after knowing that he said I couldn't be in one cause he wanted me all to himself. As he said he wanted to be in a poly relationship he said this to me. "Sorry for being in one and not wanting you to be in one. That is so mean, but you have to promise me that you will never bring this up if we brake up." LIKE! WHO DOSE THAT!? I wish I knew at the time that was him just using that as a way to be unfaithful, and like a idiot I kept my promise when we did broke up to never bring it up during the brake up fight. Why? Cause I at least kept a promise unlike him.
Yeah my no. 1 rule for relationships is nothing gets to be one sided. If he sets rules on me, I set rules on him. A few of my relationships were set where I couldn’t have male friends, so I had to put the rule that they couldn’t have female friends as well. And secrets that become suspicious definitely won’t be kept secrets, depending on context.
@@shangothunder1055 honestly it was my first gay relationship, and a lot of ace people go poly for there lovers they can't provide for. I just realized too late it's not my life style.
should be common sense that being poly doesnt = oh i can sleep with someone without partner knowing- thats the whole purpose of being poly?? all three ppl are together and partners.. its like having an open relationship w/ one person, you should still communicate with the person and not just cheat on them.. it makes even less sense to be poly and cheat.. had no idea this person i knew of from a collab was like this.. and then the typical delating all their accounts and saying they'll change like jfc if you want something else in a relationship just break up tf but of course ppl want to have it both ways
Due to how young the concept of vtubing is on top of how flavor of the month it is, I think they just have a disgusting amount of bad eggs compared to established content creation fields. That's my take, anyway. It's popping off, it's attracting awful people, and eventually the genre will just sort of filter them out with time.
That’s the problem with people in polygamous relationships, “it’s not cheating if the relationship is open” but it’s basically insinuating that they’ve already found someone, and they just want to get away with it without consequences.
But honestly why would you even want to have a long term relationship with a cheater 😂? They did it once and they can do it again. You’re not going to be the chosen one and make the cheater stop and settle with you forever. There’s always going to be someone better out there in the eyes of a cheater.
Eh don't worry about it the people that will end up harassing her are known to be rabid Just don't engage and let them look as crazy as they act I promise you kat will be fine
They made such trash ‘counterattacks’ to her video like it doesn’t make any sense at all. People who attacked the little predator vtubers attacked them because those vtubers were going out of their way to pretend to be 6yr olds and post NFSW content. It really felt like he was in support of that predator behavior and anyone else clowning the evidence provided. SOME Men disgust me.
@@SBYyt2.0 Sorry which part, maybe I should reiterate what I mean. Was it the men disgust me part? Thats a personal opinion, I should probably fix it to say SOME
damn, off topic but this made me realize how much i was probably hurting my exes back when i didn't know i was AroAce hhhh (I didn't cheat on any of them, but i def didn't give them the love and care they wanted (and deserved) and boyyy did i not understand their problems when they confronted me about itt x'D Maybe i should go back and apologize to some of them... hhhh)
Its by the group rev is sending. To defend that NSFW loli group. Who couldn't handle other peoples opinions on them and sent harassment squad then learnt what you send you receive. Also rev and that community is trying to blame Kat for one of the loli people trying to commit S*.
@@Saishi-i4p Alot of commenting without the proof of timestamp. You guys she said this and she said that she did this. Yet none of you can prove anything except say well rev said it.
im poly and i would accept that my partner was mono, so thats not an excuse. if my partner wasnt ok with me dating someone else, then i dont. i respect the person im with. its simple and honest. so it annoys me when people say they are poly as an excuse to cheat.
The only people that care about this are just drama hungry. Unless you know the people involved irl and/or can actually do something about it just ignore it. Stuff like this happens and its just part of life, yeah yall hate to hear it but its true. Enough said.
Ayako’s “apology” was very… blank? Especially to Aishi, who was closely associated with her in regards to Surge. Literally a poker-face statement. Not saying we need all the tears and snob but what I mean is, it didn’t feel genuine at all. Definitely an “apology” to ease the heat on herself. Same goes for Surge.
As somebody who was in a friendship with Surge I can safely say I was devastated when all of these allegations came out, and To be fucking honest I was more flabbergast after many of my friends pointed out that these allegations are true. I feel disgusted and decieved and out of the loop. I wish I could've done something...
Vtubers are still people, dude. People forget Vtubers/Pngtuber is still a person with an avatar. Content Creators, Idols, Streamers, Actors, Influencers etc- are people. Anyone can become a vtuber, including the good and bad. Just hiding your bad behavior is easier behind a pretty face.
I understand and I hate him as much as everyone is doing but The thing is if u hate him then hate him but wishing him death?..(I saw a few comments on X about People Tell him to ☠️ but it was Properly deleted Because I cant find it anymore)...
If two poly people like/date other people, that's not cheating, but if you are a poly person in a relationship with someone who isn't poly and is expecting a monogamous relationship, that is 100% cheating. Being poly isn't an excuse to cheat. It's your responsibility to make sure your partner is okay with a poly relationship and if they're not, don't enter into that relationship! I had a friend, 10+ years ago who cheated on at least 3 different guys, that I know of. Her excuse was always "I just love everyone! I can't help it!" (I don't know if she was poly), but the men she was constantly cheating on/with were looking for monogamous relationships. She was the one in the wrong.
EXACTLY u can be poly while not cheating. like just bc im poly dosent mean im suddenly going to write off cheating behavor for my love life. talk to ur partners and make sure theyre comfy with it frist! my way of doing it is making sure my partners are aware of eachother and know that their feelings matter to me. if they didnt want me to date other people then thats that. i dont skipping off to do it behind their backs or try to push it onto them.
People need to be cautious when entering "poly" relationships. Too often people use it as an excuse to cheat. I have personally never seen a poly relationship that works out long-term; I'm sure it's possible, just rare.
48:39 for her second point I think she's trying to say that surge was trying to say that Aishi was purposely trying to manipulate / guilt trip him into spending more time with her. Then he stated that they already spent enough time together already so he wanted to spend more time with the other woman. Which to me is highly and hella sus as what's the point of being in a relationship. If you're just going to disregard your partner's feelings? Then try to do an UNO reverse card gaslighting by basically lying and telling everybody else that your ex-girlfriend was the cause of all of it yet in actuality you were. I'm not going to defend surge but he should have came clean the moment Aishi said she was uncomfortable. Also I agree that just because you're poly doesn't mean that you should use that as an excuse to cheat. If this were me and he told me that regardless if I were a man or woman. I would have straight up told him this 👇🏽 "Bro just shut up ok you're making this a lot worse than it already is and you're digging a hole for yourself that's just getting deeper and deeper. You said your Poly multiple times but that doesn't excuse the fact that you've cheated on me. Nor does it excuse the fact that you're using it as an excuse. Also what does poly have to do with you breaking up with me, cheating on me behind my back, and saying you don't have feelings for this other person. Yet you still caught feelings for this other person you told me not to worry about. Also you disregarded MULTIPLE FUCKING times afterI told you I was uncomfortable being in calls with you and her. Because I felt like you were trying to rub it in my face and guilt trip me into raging out on both of you. You did this fully aware that you were already in a relationship with me. Yet you're going to sit there and lie about what actually happened when there's actual proof of what really happened between us gtfoh with that bs. Then you're going to try to say that I gaslit you and manipulated you to go against the girl you caught feelings for? No no no that's not going to fly with me especially when I told you that I had trauma dealing with this type of BS in the past. Yet you're going to make me out to be the bad guy for what reason to boost your little ego? No offense to you I'm glad we're broken up, I hope the best for you and don't you ever text me again. I don't want to hear from you or anyone in your friend group ever again do I make myself clear."
WHY ARE ALL MY COMFORT PEOPLE GOING BAD 😭 FIRST WILBUR SOOT, THEN KAGE NOW SURGE!? BRO WHOS NEXT???!! VOX AKUMA??? DAISHIMA!? (small vtuber, would recommend watching) WHATS GOIN ONNNNN
wouldn't you need permission to flirt with others if you are poly ? Like the rules are the same as monogamy just with more people right ? I can't really comprehend how someone could be poly because i am very much hardcore monogamous and would rather drink bleach than fall asleep knowing i am not someones "most important person" but still it's guys like him that make the rest of the monogamous community think poly people are just cheaters in multiple situationships
Omg wait...I..I know this vtuber.....I used to follow Surge on Twitter (or X but I like Twitter better). This is upsetting to hear....someone I literally felt was a good role model to become a vtuber only to realize he was a manipulative cheater...both of which I hate. I...I am so stunned by this.....can't believe I fell for his kind attitude
Being poly doesn't mean you can't be in a monogamous relationship... only the person can know what they want to do.. He clearly didn't want tho, and it's on him Also, I hate the "I developed felling but I didn't want to, it just happened"... and act like an unknown force made them cheat... like, yeah, sometimes feelings happen.. you turn around and do nothing, simple... feeling don't control your actions like a marionette
It seems very common for joke flirting to turn to real feelings. Its happened to me and several of my freinds (like 3 of them (2 got together and the third with someone not in our mutual groups)
Maybe I'll get flack for this but poly isn't a sexuality its a lack of commitment to one person. If you are monogomous which most people are because it's in our biology to be like that not a choice then do not date someone who has 0 self control and wants to be with multiple people. It's always cheating or it isn't serious. Hate me all you want, I don't wanna hear anyone trying to justify or defend it to me I'm not chaning my mind.
It just got backkkk (I know it got reinstated only a few hours ago cuz it was on my watch later & 3 hours ago it was still telling me the vid was deleted)
being poly doesn't mean a person gets the free opportunity to cheat on their partners, weren't poly amorous relationships all about communication and all parties involved knowing everything that is going on?
Correct! Being poly does not give you a right to cheat on your partners.
Normally people who are poly will tell their lover before hand then if they find someone interesting to date, they will discuss it with their partner and ask if it is okay. That is if their partner did not leave after hearing they are poly (since some people don’t really sit right with poly.).
Exactly, having a poly relationship is literally, an open and honest relationship with multiple partners.
Open and Honest
Yup it’s all about informed consent.
I see a lot of new gen poly people’s relationships fall apart because they are naive to think it means they can be loosey goosey
yeah! I’m polyamorous and polyamorous relationships are consensual all across the board
if somebody in the relationship isn’t cool with it, it’s not happening
The differences between being polyamorous and cheating is that being poly includes having trust, respect of partners, and even consent. Cheating doesn’t have any of these things, and it’s annoying as hell when people use the “but I’m poly :(“ as an excuse for cheating
If your mono and agree to a poly relationship your starting off the relationship with a massive L.😂
@@shangothunder1055 my question is why the hell is a mono person going in a poly relationship anyway… that’s just basically setting you up for distaster
@@coochiefruity Ignorance
@@coochiefruity they probably didn't know their partner was poly and for some the sudden "hey babe I'm poly" could come out of left field.
Especially when they didn't have these poly relationship feelings before they got together.
@@coochiefruity Hello there (i was solo poly with 1 mono partner next to other poly partners). The difference between the relationship i had and the one in the video is, that i was completely transparent and communicated EVERYTHING beforehand and during check ups within the relationship with the mono partner. She was fully aware about anything important and knew every partner herself.
Communication and transparency is absolute
Now we are mono together and will marry next month
As a poly queer guy
Polygamory is all about CONSENT AND THAT EVERYONE ARE ALRIGHT OR IN ON IT
Just because your poly,
Doesn't mean you get to flirt with every person when your partner ain't glad
As someone who is poly, I can say. You establish the rules before you get into a relationship. You let the other person know that you're poly, and then that's when you come up with the rules. Either it's a rule that you're allowed to be poly and your relationship more open, or you bring in a third, whatever it may be, or it's a monogamous relationship. Therefore, it is a closed-off relationship between just the two of you. If you agree with that, great, you're in a monogamous relationship; if you don't, you don't get into that relationship and stay single. If it's agreed the two of you are monogamous with just each other, and then if you step out of that, you are cheating. Period. You agreed to be monogamous, if you break that agreement, you cheated. But if you both agreed to an open relationship, it's okay. It all depends on the rules of the relationship you established before starting it. Communication is key.
@@abel0187 communication _and_ respecting boundaries
It was clear he wanted a reason to openly cheat, people like that use other people as SAFETY NETS and backup plans when their other relationships don't work out. He's a user, simple as is.
Yikes
"In a perfect world" aka the guy wants a harem, not an actual health poly relationship. Then turned around and tried to make his ex look like a bigot for not bowing to his bullshit.
Thats what I don't get for him. If he wanted a HAREM of women, he can still do that without being sneaky. Just clearly let them know that its a harem.
@@Aloysius_OHareWell if he let’s them know ahead of time it’ll be much harder to pull off let alone maintain.
@@shangothunder1055 how so?
@@Aloysius_OHare It’s hard to swindle somebody when you let them know you’re swindling them.😂
@@shangothunder1055 Having a harem doesn't mean you're swindling someone
I hate when people weaponize the Poly label like it's a hall-pass to do whatever you want...
The golden rule of polyamory is CONSENT and COMMUNICATION. If you do stuff behind your partner's back in secret, that's cheating.
Also breaking up with someone who is poly does not instantly mean you "don't support their sexuality". It just means you're incompatible.
If one partner comes out as gay in a straight relationship and they break up, it doesn't mean they don't support each other????
I see so many poly relationships die hard because of things like that. Or when jealousy from monogamous people comes out.
silly thing but consent and communication is just the golden rule of any relationship.
People who are doing this are not poly. As you can tell they are never upfront and only bring up there sexuality once caught cheating or lying. They think if they just claim poly the LGBTQ people will defend them and it will give them perfect defence.
@@Aloysius_OHareIt’s not naturally honest that’s why 99% fail.😂
@@shangothunder1055It must be really fun to make up statistics online. Here, I'll make up one. 99% of straight people would happily hook up with their friends. 80% of monogamous people cheat. Isn't it great to just make up statistics to justify my beliefs online?
something to ADD here is that surge said he would be taking accountability but just today it has been revealed he hasn't graduated and instead is just rebranding/on a new persona still with his management
Just some added context, Bagz was my old Vtube design and name. While in the middle of this I was preparing for a rebrand that has since gone through.
Okay :^
kudos to you for the apologies and standing by the victims- you're a good friend man.
I love your pfp, its soooo crispy...
I hope you're doing well
Surprised he didn't try to say "God gave me permission to be with who I want" as an excuse to cheat
Here's my take: It doesn't matter what your sexuality is, if you can't be in a relationship without sleeping around with other people behind the other persons back, don't be in a relationship. Because that shit follows you. There could be one person you cheat on and they feel like it's their fault and keep quiet and hold it in, and then you cheat on someone else who will make your life hell for it. They'll dig up every bit of dirt and make sure no one would want you.
This makes me angry. These people cannot understand and respect other people's boundaries but demands for theirs to be respected. SuRge making it all about poly, poly, and poly but cant understand that it's not about the sexuality but the fact that he CHEATED. dang
Reminds me of that big TTRPG figure who manipulated a polyamorous creator into exclusively dating him because he said he's monogamous, yet he went around secretly dating other people while claiming to be polyamorous to them, then also badmouthing the person he was STILL IN A RELATIONSHIP with to people in the TTRPG circles.
Surge doesnt understand that this isnt about him being happy with both of them..its about aishi being upset when youre with the two of them
these responses from Surge literally remind me of the responses my ex would give whenever I confronted him about something I was uncomfortable with 💀
22:43 “are you gonna believe ME? or your LYING EYES?” type of shit LOL
This whole thing infuriated me so much because as someone who is in a queer polyamory relationship, it sucks to see people use my orientation for an excuse to be absolutely awful to someone. You can just not commit if you feel like you can't give your all to just a single person, it is not fair to the monogamist whatsoever. I hope she and all those involved heal from this and Surge and that other horrible woman get what they exactly deserve.
The key to a good relationship is to be honest and never hide things from anyone, just because he's poly doesn't mean he should disrespect boundaries smh
The poly argument was lowkey crazy omg???
Ayako really didn't touch on the subject in her apology. She could have said a bit more, especially to apologize to Aishi. None of the stuff she actually did was addressed. Not to mention the fact she, in the same breath of her apology, suddenly dropped that she made an attempt on her life.
By the way, mental hospitals (the place you go right after an attempt, speaking from personal experience) do not allow you to have your phone. There is no logical way she should have been able to make that post if she was in the mental hospital (there is really no time before going into the hospital to post either). The police escort you there right away and you have to sign the papers, then they take your phone and you are in. Even in the escort car, they DO NOT want you on your phone.
They do HAVE to allow you access to A phone, but they do NOT allow you access to YOURS.
In hospitals that DO allow you your phone, you are allowed VERY limited use, and part of those limits is not being allowed connection to the internet. These places are very, very strict and surveilant.
How did she even make that post if she made an attempt so recently and is not yet out? Why is she talking about having her DMs open? It feels like she is trying to make an emergency out just so people won't hold her accountable.
I doubt she had an attempt, at least one that she actually reported (the only way police would be there, and regardless of her wants they WOULD have to take her in after that) or she would not be online, let alone allegedly being unstable enough to make an attempt on her life, yet somehow stable enough to make an "apology", recognize that she may burden her friends by remaining in public spaces they are involved in, and accept DMs about the situation that she's trying to imply made her want to *** herself.
yeah I was like how is she accepting dms where she would probably get harrassed because of what she did when her mental health is so bad she made an attempt??? Like hello twitter was the last place you want to go after an attempt, maybe your private messages with your friends but not OPENING your DMs. The whole thing was scummy, somehow all of these bad people on the internet suddenly attempt to take their life when they're the ones under fire when they were doing completely fine before, which can happen Im not invalidating their experience but it's weird that they all mention it in their apologies...
@@vaelia1203 Exactly. I was hesitant to say it but so many of these times where people say such things it doesn't read as even remotely true. They never feel guilty, let alone guilty enough to attempt to take their own life, until they are caught. Guilt does not work that way. And even then, the mere notion of being caught, especially if the situation is redeemable, would not be enough for most people to consider such a thing unless they were either already dealing with loads of issues that made them unstable or they had mental conditions that made them highly unstable.
I can't speak on if Ayako had any such conditions, but she definitely seemed perfectly stable before, so even if she was going through a lot before the reveal, she was stable enough to handle it. The fact it allegedly pushed her over that edge, which is at the highest peak might I mind you, when she showed no signs whatsoever previously is very, very questionable.
And again, as is evident from people that have ACTUALLY been to those places and such, she is not in a mental hospital. And if she is not in a mental hospital, the police did not show up at her house for any attempt on her life or even to harm herself in ANY capacity.
They do NOT want you on your phone, because they can't track who you are talking to or what you are doing. You could make your situation worse, you could try to get out early without being stable, etc. Hence any mental hospital worth their cents does NOT allow you your phone.
I went to a very, very shitty one (that forced diabetic kids to eat all their food and wouldn't let them go to their rooms if they didn't, despite the food being... Well, not safe for them. They also put SA victims in the same groups as people who committed SA without monitoring them, causing those victims to go through MORE experiences) and even THAT facility knew not to allow anyone their phones, which is the industry's standard.
If you lost friends because you made their girlfriends uncomfortable, its very telling of how you behave and act.
just a note, does anyone notice how surge keeps saying "I blah blah" its always about "I" (surge). like "I am stressed" excuse me???
If her not wanting him to date more people is disrespecting his poly orientation, then why doesn't he think him wanting to date more people when she doesn't is disrespecting her monogamous orientation...? Make it make sense...
Its not a mistake when people cheat its an active decision to disrespect your partner this is all very sad I hope the best for Aishi
Instances like this literally are why it's so hard for people who aren't already poly to understand open up and respect that as a concept. He used it as an excuse to emotionally cheat and there's absolutely zero avoiding it as the truth.
Cheaters always playing victim i swear
Because they are usually narcissists or sociopaths
@@Weezerlover182 ikr
@@Weezerlover182 Not to mention they know what'll happen if their fans find out the truth
yessssss, honestly idc bout vtubers but u make it seem interesting so I watch ur videos. I rly liked the 30 min videos but I was like, if she were to ever post a 4hour long video I would def be happy to watch it! And now this is the 2nd 1 hour long video u posted! Keep posting the long video I love them! I like to watch and listen while I draw❤keep up the great work kat!🥰🥰
My first and ONLY experience with someone who was poly was an abusive both mentally and psychically and my boundary was that i just wanted to meet any girl he was talking to just to get to known them so I'd feel safe because I also had trauma with being compared to someone whos prettier. He introduced me to only of the girls ever and it was AFTER they were edating eachother. I tried really hard to be friends with them and they ignored me and talked shit about me behind my back. Anytime I got sad my ex would just say I wasn't accepting and that it was the only thing that would break the relationship yet when I said I wanted to leave that horrible toxic environment he would give me non alive threats and threaten to kick me out on the other side of the country than himself . Poly gets a really bad rep from people like that who hide it OR clearly fake it to make excuses for cheating, its honestly really sad because even tho I am mono I've supported poly people because I think a group setting relationship could work under the right circumstances and make someone happy but instead its usually a bunch of snakes who go under the title
Edit: Something of importance to add to this is I have BPD and he was diagnosed ASPD and he heavily took advantage of my BPD and would use threatening to leave me and blocking me to manipulate me
Out of topic, but damn, the dislikes from those guys are getting out of hand.
Sounds like the poly gang got mad Lol
@@junyaiwase dont lump us in with him.
as someone who used to be poly and was in a poly relationship, you HAVEEE to have consent and communication. that’s literally the main factor of a poly relationship, you HAVE to communicate and gain consent from any parties involved in the relationship. i personally think that this is common sense, but apparently it isn’t…
There's like an update for the Surge drama, he moved to BiliBili ijbol and his management/entertainment is gaslighting.
His whole defense is "i'M pOLy" but that's not the point??
Surge made such good music videos, and had such talent and a promising future. It's so sad how some people who have a great future ahead, become manipulative, p3d0, or something else.
I'm sorry but even if she wasn't supportive of him being poly, why is it that bad??? The most important about poly relationships is both sides is okey with it.
as a poly person, this guy makes my brain hurt! this is not how polyamory works at all!
Poly relationships die so often because of JEALOUSY, CHEATING or MONOGAMY entering the relationships. He can have his HAREM with other people.
Vtuber drama never ends, especially with the community expanding
I actually didn't know any of this happened until I wanted to listen to Surge's song covers, but I was presented with this video. Glad I was.
It's a shame and disgusting, Surge had some good song covers. 😞
And again these people should be in therapy and not some influencers ^^
I feel a lot of people need therapy, which ofc doesnt exclude the parties involved here.
@@Adoreoo The thing is they constantly talk about Trauma, healing bla bla etc. but never go to therapy.
The amount of "damage" these people have is mindnumbing
Kat now reassuring me that I wasn't the one fucking up in my past relationship-
(Bro talked with his ex which made me uncomfortable, he could talk to girls but I couldn't talk to guys even if it was for work. He said I'd be working at home and nothing else once we were to get married even though he knew I didn't want to be only working at home financially depending of someone else due to my own trauma.)
AN HOUR? IM LOCKING IN
as a poly person with two lovely partners, we do not claim them
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Man why did the bad people always do their apologies and mentioning to end their life??
Babe woke up, kat just dropped an hour long vidoe
only 2 mins in and man this is hitting a little too close to home. I feel so bad for people experiencing the same shit i have, man.. its sad theres so many shitty people everywhere
Sarge reminds me so much of my “friend”, the way they both manipulate the same is disgusting. I feel so bad for Aishi and I hope she’s okay now because holy crap, she went through too much.
I have known so MANY people that do that, knew a girl who home-wrecked a relationship and for MONTHS before she was handsy with the guy and she said it was just her personality. She was handsy with one girl, but when I hung-out with them she stayed about five feet away from me because she knew that I wouldn't believe fake affection like that. It was so incredibly obvious that she was just claiming it was her personality in order to get attention from certain guys. The thing is, the girl she homewrecked was also a terrible person too, genuinely just so messy. I am so glad to have better friends.
I was nodding with you everytime you mentioned you had this conversation with your ex because the exact same thing happened to me. Dated ex in a mono relationship and then tried to get me to start a poly relationship with someone he was already cheating on me with. Basically misusing the label poly to justify his cheating. It's the exact same thing happening here.
I wish the very best to ashi and give her lots of support. It's terrible what surge put her through.
The phrase I always use is "if everywhere you go smells like crap, check your pants"
I would like to mention that surge has come back and deleted his apology
Anyone getting mad at Kaliente for reporting on Vtuber drama are hilariously odd. She talks about it, she doesn’t send anyone on her behalf to report anyone. This is again HER OPINION
Anyone feel the need to attack anyone is THEIR choice. If you can’t handle that, go quietly support your little girl vtubers
Also for the lolicons: 21:45
It's funny because people keep bringing up the same excuses for why lolicon is okay like "oh it's just fiction" like somehow that doesn't make them p*dos. And then when you call them that they say "I'm not harming any children" which I retort with "I didn't say you did, I just said you're probably a p*do. P*do and child predator are not the same, it's like how a rectangle isn't a square, but a square is a rectangle." P*do just describes the attraction, predator is the action, just because you choose to not prey on children and indulge in your paraphilia by looking at loli p*rn doesn't suddenly make you not a p*do.
These loli lovers are insane
@@j.b.l.0-f3zright, like Rev really outed himself as a Lolicon lover for that video.
Like dis he acknowledged that those very vtubers were pretending to be little girls yet posting about sexual content. Or the one where they themselves go out of their way to take other vtubers down.
Forget Kaliente ENTIRELY, the issue is Vtubers should not be children ‘loli’ characters that are child height. But im not going out of my way to harrass them. Simply report and go on my way.
Also for anyone trying to claim that she wasted FBI resources, no she didn’t. Thats not how the FBI works. They already have operations out there to try to save the kids.
I hate this culture on RUclips where people can say you're insghting harassment if you don't explicitly condemn it. Like are you serious? You shouldn't have to tell people to behave in a normal way and just passively consume the drama content. It's common sense to not harass a person/people over a RUclipsr making a critical video about that person/those people.
Even then no matter how much you tell people to not harass the creator covered, people will still do it. There's only so much you can do when potentially thousands of people can come across your video, I think it is unfair to hold creators responsible for the actions of viewers when they don't do anything to nudge or outright insight harassment. It doesn't have to all be explicit and clear, but if there is no mention or even slight hinting towards "harass these people" then it's unfair to say the creator is responsible
@@dorkenspache8353 RIGHHHT. Like people should take videos with a grain of salt. The video ALWAYS will be the opinion of the video maker. Then you take that information, sit on it and then come up with your own opinions. If you don't like someone, that's your OWN opinion. Then you go and do what you feel like, report them or block them. EZ.
Here's how I assessed the video.
Where people got VERY upset to the point of attacking those vtubers was, "Hey these ADULTS, are PRETENDING to be loli vtubers yet claim their vtuber models are the age of (under 18) here's the screenshots of what someone gathered that was in their community. Here is what they posted and said" and that content was about them sexualizing their "loli" vtuber models that were supposedly children. Adding Kinks to their vtube models and other stuff confirming that they're trying to be LITTLE KIDS, not petite women.
People wouldn't have cared if the vtubers sexualized their own human bodies if they were truly petite women.
They do care when Age claimed children vtube models are being portayed in a manner where grown men, pretend that they're over 18 to sexualize or fan over them.
Dated a guy who was hyper sexxxl and wanted to be in a poly relationship. Just him. I couldn't do it cause I was ace and not about that life, also I was not really cool with it and even cried about it until I caved in due to his needs I couldn't give him. But after knowing that he said I couldn't be in one cause he wanted me all to himself. As he said he wanted to be in a poly relationship he said this to me. "Sorry for being in one and not wanting you to be in one. That is so mean, but you have to promise me that you will never bring this up if we brake up."
LIKE! WHO DOSE THAT!? I wish I knew at the time that was him just using that as a way to be unfaithful, and like a idiot I kept my promise when we did broke up to never bring it up during the brake up fight. Why? Cause I at least kept a promise unlike him.
How you fall for that?😂 L
Yeah my no. 1 rule for relationships is nothing gets to be one sided. If he sets rules on me, I set rules on him. A few of my relationships were set where I couldn’t have male friends, so I had to put the rule that they couldn’t have female friends as well.
And secrets that become suspicious definitely won’t be kept secrets, depending on context.
@@shangothunder1055 honestly it was my first gay relationship, and a lot of ace people go poly for there lovers they can't provide for. I just realized too late it's not my life style.
@@maxiargos1971 Dude don't reply to that freak. He's been annoying with zero game under every comment.
should be common sense that being poly doesnt = oh i can sleep with someone without partner knowing- thats the whole purpose of being poly?? all three ppl are together and partners..
its like having an open relationship w/ one person, you should still communicate with the person and not just cheat on them.. it makes even less sense to be poly and cheat..
had no idea this person i knew of from a collab was like this.. and then the typical delating all their accounts and saying they'll change
like jfc if you want something else in a relationship just break up tf but of course ppl want to have it both ways
What is wrong with the vtuber community 😭😭 why do a lot of people do stuff like this😪
For real 😭
Due to how young the concept of vtubing is on top of how flavor of the month it is, I think they just have a disgusting amount of bad eggs compared to established content creation fields. That's my take, anyway. It's popping off, it's attracting awful people, and eventually the genre will just sort of filter them out with time.
@@Hellofairyqueen literally I’ve really only seen the bad interactions of being a vtuber😭😭
@@MakkyMaksAsk yourself why and how you only see vtubers as that then
@@chiizuu752 huh? People only post the bad interactions? What do thou mean?
That’s the problem with people in polygamous relationships, “it’s not cheating if the relationship is open” but it’s basically insinuating that they’ve already found someone, and they just want to get away with it without consequences.
i hardly can relate to this I suffer from toxics friend that it effect me till this day
But honestly why would you even want to have a long term relationship with a cheater 😂? They did it once and they can do it again. You’re not going to be the chosen one and make the cheater stop and settle with you forever. There’s always going to be someone better out there in the eyes of a cheater.
I keep hearing that cute cat in the background- I thought it was my cats so I kept turning around but it was the video lol
Have you seen the new video made on you kat? someone has made a video on you and i am worried you'll get harassed.
Ya gotta love how the people have a problem with the group being harassed(not even by her) and yet they are harassing her it's a bit hypocritical 😂
Eh don't worry about it the people that will end up harassing her are known to be rabid
Just don't engage and let them look as crazy as they act I promise you kat will be fine
They made such trash ‘counterattacks’ to her video like it doesn’t make any sense at all.
People who attacked the little predator vtubers attacked them because those vtubers were going out of their way to pretend to be 6yr olds and post NFSW content.
It really felt like he was in support of that predator behavior and anyone else clowning the evidence provided. SOME Men disgust me.
@@Aloysius_OHare That last part sounded a bit… strange
@@SBYyt2.0 Sorry which part, maybe I should reiterate what I mean. Was it the men disgust me part? Thats a personal opinion, I should probably fix it to say SOME
You've helped me get so much art done. You're an incredible narrator and commentator,
The fact i supported him before. I really liked his covers but it felt too good to be true.
damn, off topic but this made me realize how much i was probably hurting my exes back when i didn't know i was AroAce hhhh (I didn't cheat on any of them, but i def didn't give them the love and care they wanted (and deserved) and boyyy did i not understand their problems when they confronted me about itt x'D Maybe i should go back and apologize to some of them... hhhh)
Unrelated to this current video but it's quite obvious this channel is now being dogpiled by a certain group.
Its by the group rev is sending. To defend that NSFW loli group. Who couldn't handle other peoples opinions on them and sent harassment squad then learnt what you send you receive. Also rev and that community is trying to blame Kat for one of the loli people trying to commit S*.
@@romeunleashed2Because it is true.
@@Saishi-i4p Alot of commenting without the proof of timestamp. You guys she said this and she said that she did this. Yet none of you can prove anything except say well rev said it.
@@romeunleashed2 No because we watched the Video you Donut but you want to Ragebait everyone here to lose their Temper but that doesn't work on us
wait what's going on?
im poly and i would accept that my partner was mono, so thats not an excuse. if my partner wasnt ok with me dating someone else, then i dont. i respect the person im with. its simple and honest. so it annoys me when people say they are poly as an excuse to cheat.
Off topic but like, I was shocked at 3:29, "DID SHE JUST CALLED OUT MY NAME???" 😭
I knew this guy personally, that sucks
This crazy I was just wondering where ayako went didn’t know she was in another scandal holy crap. Her account is currently inactive.
I am hurt by reading these cringe ass apologies
another 1h video so soon? i feel like you're spoiling us
The only people that care about this are just drama hungry. Unless you know the people involved irl and/or can actually do something about it just ignore it. Stuff like this happens and its just part of life, yeah yall hate to hear it but its true. Enough said.
Ayako’s “apology” was very… blank? Especially to Aishi, who was closely associated with her in regards to Surge. Literally a poker-face statement.
Not saying we need all the tears and snob but what I mean is, it didn’t feel genuine at all.
Definitely an “apology” to ease the heat on herself. Same goes for Surge.
Surgevt RUclips videos are gone bro💀 deserved😶
Being poly and cheating are divided by just a thin line called "communication".
22:32 i was just thinking the same thing!!! 😮💨my ex used the exact same language too, ugghh so gross. reading his msgs is giving me a major ick
As somebody who was in a friendship with Surge I can safely say I was devastated when all of these allegations came out, and To be fucking honest I was more flabbergast after many of my friends pointed out that these allegations are true. I feel disgusted and decieved and out of the loop. I wish I could've done something...
i went through something similar, but the other girl wasn't AS dumb, holy.
At this point, so many vtubers are manipulators. It makes it even worse knowing this one was associated with Bapha :^
They should all be in therapy instead of being influencers....
Vtubers are still people, dude. People forget Vtubers/Pngtuber is still a person with an avatar.
Content Creators, Idols, Streamers, Actors, Influencers etc- are people. Anyone can become a vtuber, including the good and bad. Just hiding your bad behavior is easier behind a pretty face.
I understand and I hate him as much as everyone is doing but The thing is if u hate him then hate him but wishing him death?..(I saw a few comments on X about People Tell him to ☠️ but it was Properly deleted Because I cant find it anymore)...
If two poly people like/date other people, that's not cheating, but if you are a poly person in a relationship with someone who isn't poly and is expecting a monogamous relationship, that is 100% cheating. Being poly isn't an excuse to cheat. It's your responsibility to make sure your partner is okay with a poly relationship and if they're not, don't enter into that relationship! I had a friend, 10+ years ago who cheated on at least 3 different guys, that I know of. Her excuse was always "I just love everyone! I can't help it!" (I don't know if she was poly), but the men she was constantly cheating on/with were looking for monogamous relationships. She was the one in the wrong.
EXACTLY u can be poly while not cheating. like just bc im poly dosent mean im suddenly going to write off cheating behavor for my love life. talk to ur partners and make sure theyre comfy with it frist! my way of doing it is making sure my partners are aware of eachother and know that their feelings matter to me. if they didnt want me to date other people then thats that. i dont skipping off to do it behind their backs or try to push it onto them.
People need to be cautious when entering "poly" relationships. Too often people use it as an excuse to cheat. I have personally never seen a poly relationship that works out long-term; I'm sure it's possible, just rare.
48:39 for her second point I think she's trying to say that surge was trying to say that Aishi was purposely trying to manipulate / guilt trip him into spending more time with her.
Then he stated that they already spent enough time together already so he wanted to spend more time with the other woman.
Which to me is highly and hella sus as what's the point of being in a relationship. If you're just going to disregard your partner's feelings? Then try to do an UNO reverse card gaslighting by basically lying and telling everybody else that your ex-girlfriend was the cause of all of it yet in actuality you were.
I'm not going to defend surge but he should have came clean the moment Aishi said she was uncomfortable. Also I agree that just because you're poly doesn't mean that you should use that as an excuse to cheat.
If this were me and he told me that regardless if I were a man or woman. I would have straight up told him this 👇🏽
"Bro just shut up ok you're making this a lot worse than it already is and you're digging a hole for yourself that's just getting deeper and deeper.
You said your Poly multiple times but that doesn't excuse the fact that you've cheated on me. Nor does it excuse the fact that you're using it as an excuse.
Also what does poly have to do with you breaking up with me, cheating on me behind my back, and saying you don't have feelings for this other person. Yet you still caught feelings for this other person you told me not to worry about.
Also you disregarded MULTIPLE FUCKING times afterI told you I was uncomfortable being in calls with you and her. Because I felt like you were trying to rub it in my face and guilt trip me into raging out on both of you. You did this fully aware that you were already in a relationship with me. Yet you're going to sit there and lie about what actually happened when there's actual proof of what really happened between us gtfoh with that bs.
Then you're going to try to say that I gaslit you and manipulated you to go against the girl you caught feelings for? No no no that's not going to fly with me especially when I told you that I had trauma dealing with this type of BS in the past. Yet you're going to make me out to be the bad guy for what reason to boost your little ego?
No offense to you I'm glad we're broken up, I hope the best for you and don't you ever text me again. I don't want to hear from you or anyone in your friend group ever again do I make myself clear."
ah shit here we go again..
Nah-
Yoo, new video! ❤ love it!
WHY ARE ALL MY COMFORT PEOPLE GOING BAD 😭 FIRST WILBUR SOOT, THEN KAGE NOW SURGE!? BRO WHOS NEXT???!! VOX AKUMA??? DAISHIMA!? (small vtuber, would recommend watching) WHATS GOIN ONNNNN
wouldn't you need permission to flirt with others if you are poly ? Like the rules are the same as monogamy just with more people right ? I can't really comprehend how someone could be poly because i am very much hardcore monogamous and would rather drink bleach than fall asleep knowing i am not someones "most important person"
but still
it's guys like him that make the rest of the monogamous community think poly people are just cheaters in multiple situationships
As someone who also had a cheater ex who hid behind polyamory
this was a VERY fun watch :)
Omg wait...I..I know this vtuber.....I used to follow Surge on Twitter (or X but I like Twitter better). This is upsetting to hear....someone I literally felt was a good role model to become a vtuber only to realize he was a manipulative cheater...both of which I hate. I...I am so stunned by this.....can't believe I fell for his kind attitude
Not the singer 😭
Being poly doesn't mean you can't be in a monogamous relationship... only the person can know what they want to do.. He clearly didn't want tho, and it's on him
Also, I hate the "I developed felling but I didn't want to, it just happened"... and act like an unknown force made them cheat... like, yeah, sometimes feelings happen.. you turn around and do nothing, simple... feeling don't control your actions like a marionette
It seems very common for joke flirting to turn to real feelings. Its happened to me and several of my freinds (like 3 of them (2 got together and the third with someone not in our mutual groups)
Maybe I'll get flack for this but poly isn't a sexuality its a lack of commitment to one person. If you are monogomous which most people are because it's in our biology to be like that not a choice then do not date someone who has 0 self control and wants to be with multiple people. It's always cheating or it isn't serious. Hate me all you want, I don't wanna hear anyone trying to justify or defend it to me I'm not chaning my mind.
The polu excuse is gross. You can *feel* whatever you want. Acting on it is the problem.
Im really sad cuz he deleted the channel and he had really good covers on there 😔
Honestly that sucks. I liked his music covers and has a great voice. But it's a bummer that he is not a cool dude behind the scenes.
When are you going to talk about the follow up loli-puff drama since the loli-puff group released a statement?
Does anyone know what happened to the video about bapha?
it seems like the video was copyright struck by kawaiibrittanii 🤔
It just got backkkk (I know it got reinstated only a few hours ago cuz it was on my watch later & 3 hours ago it was still telling me the vid was deleted)
Gosh I loved surge, I just discovered this, I’m so disappointed now.
An 1h video?! Dang bro keep going (σ≧▽≦)σ
do they really in relationship in real life tho ? or just a their online persona
Theyre back 💀