@@tyfenrir But do you do groceries, cook, iron, clean the house weekly, give enough attention to your better half, exercise (if you don't already move/ lift alot at your job) and have enough sleep to keep your body healthy (7-8h)besides that?
PvE servers definitely have an overall more chill community in general, I think the most important thing to do as a player is to pick a community of people that are like minded, if you're someone that just wants to enjoy the game and chill you should find a community (guild / server) that shares your philosophy, likewise if you're a hardcore player be surrounded by people that share the same goals as you.
@@galakros What is RP server? I know it is role playing and they have stiffer rules for naming but beside wow questing how serious are the custom made plots? Do you bump into players who are chatting about made up stories? What is the focus there? what casual people do there beside default wow content?
@@tamassefcsik6707 Well the people there talk normaly too. How hard the RP goes depends on the Guild. My Guild for example got a Group thats writes and planes events. Exploring, conquering, practice fighting etc. This even goes cross faction. There are serverwide events too like an PvP RP mixed tournament, faction mixed aswell. But dont you worry, people wont force you to RP, most of them are actually pretty chill and helpful. Its not like retail RP with all that ERP stuff. Just less tryhard and more communicative. If you search the social part of the game, then u should try it out. Getting into RP is weird at first, but it gets better. Not saying that it is for everyone, but it was a nice change of sceneary after all that toxic tryhard BS my old server has been going through.
Whoowee Funnily enough, my girlfriend much prefers Classic to Retail. It's slower paced, progression doesn't feel as much of a blast through each zone.
I'm going to second this, I leveled in P3, took a break spanning the entirety of P5, and my warrior started P6 still with Dal'rends. In retail finding a raid group for previous tier would never happen, and would need 400ilvl for Naxx. By the time catch up mechanics get you to 400ilvl the bar would be 500iLvl. Meanwhile in Classic...MC,BWL,AQ40...filled out most of my P5 BiS and a couple mics pieces (ZG belt isnt onslaught, and fallen hero boots are 2 agi less than chromatic) but 2 weeks later I've got 2 Naxx weapons and good to go...
@@aqdjbcr I played vanilla, TBC and Wrath. I disagree because Wrath was inclusive. Just to get to the point where you could even begin to raid in TBC literally required a flow chart for all of the reputation grinds and attunements. I could see loving TBC if you were in a hardcore raiding guild from day 1. I wasn't.
@@Adzy222 You are correct however The different says in any other part of World of Warcraft history you can always do PVP for catch up Gear. Burning crusade and onward Yes the system is gotten convoluted over time I will certainly not disagree with that. However let's be honest the PVP system was much better and burning crusade onward invited more people just to be able to jump in to pvp. And was much less intimidating you didn't feel like It's all or nothing let alone you could take a break if you accidentally burned yourself out you don't have that option in classic. So over all it's a much more superior system than it was in classic quite honestly I think the original PVP is toxic garbage. It's not fun it's mentally and physically taxing promotes I would say unhealthy mentally and physically behavior. And quite honestly unless you're in an organized group which is basically a pre made to crush everybody else which eliminates all challenge unless you're up against another pre made. And on top of that if you're gonna be in one of those you're generally having some buddy scout ahead to the bg. To make sure you don't so yeah all in all the region PVP system quite honestly in my opinion was one of the worst thing as and when the very few things I would say should have just been not put back in.
Hey guys, what class/spec are you going to play and any particular reason why? I used to play priest that time and I enjoyed healing ZulAman and Kara. I bet there will be plenty of BE prot paladin on the horde side, maybe I'll be one of them this time.
Im planning to come back for TBC Classic to play Enh shaman its my favorite spec alongside Ret. Both specs were bad in classic so i decided to skip classic because of that.
I’m as casual as they come and I had so much fun leveling my mage to 60 in classic! As a kid, I played vanilla here and there but never had enough time to fully dive into the game and never got to play TBC :(. Now that I have a little more time for gaming, I’m ready to go and very excited to have the chance to play classic TBC!! :D
Back in the day in TBC almost none of my friends were raiding and they all had lots of fun playing all the other aspects of the game by it dungeons, rep farming for mounts or other cool rewards, professions or just experiencing the world in general. One friend spent all his time levelling all 9 classes to 70 and then getting them all epic flying.
Great vid. Please do a video on badges in TBC like you mentioned. I started playing during TBC, but very late in the game and only got to 70 a couple of months before LK dropped. Im very familiar with the LK system, but have no idea about how they worked in TBC (amounts you get from dungeons, heroics, and raids. Were there weekly limits? Was there a particular instance to farm?). Also I really love it when WoW videos start and/or end with music and vistas from the game.
This is good to know, I figured it we’re more casual friendly. Just hope this means my friends will come back and play and stick around longer than classic.😅
I played TBC a lot back in the Days. Badges of Justice... They were introduced after a couple of weeks in TBC... and I have a mixed Opinion about them. They were thought as a catch up mechanic. It was very good for new players or new alt chars to gear up for Raiding t5 content. But the Problem with them were Kharazan. A very cool Instance but after the loot in kharazan was not relavant anymore it was only about the badges. the question was only does the group that instance in under 3 hours. some loot pieces were still interesting.
Currency based gearing system is a great system. Currency as in tokens like the badges of justice. Having certain gear drops based on chance is cool only if it's complimented with some kind of guaranteed way to get geared, like the tokens.
I'm casual. Pagle alliance Lvl 6ò mage and 51 priest Never did a raid yet I play from 7 am to 10 am every other day with my coffee. Never played wow before classic and I absolutely love it. It's a calming game with so much progress and char development. Plus dungeons are so rewarding
At crafting you do need to set your foot into a raid if you wanna craft max rank weapons (what you are showing in the video), as they requirre nether vortexes, and those are bind on pickup items from T5 content raids (mostyl from trash). Also there are some crafted boe and bop items in T5 (belt of blasting
@@BLABLABLA-kl8eq yes, and nether vortexes are dopping in SSC and TK, and he is talkin about the Lionheart Executioner sword which is the final upgrade of the Lionheart crafted weapon what requirres 5 Nether Vortexes.
I don't think raid attunements and reputation are "unfriendly to casuals", it's literally content for casuals to do, every time they log in, they have something to do to progress their character. Some people in the comments think "being able to raid log easily" = "casual friendly", but they are missing the point.
I agree, there was a priest in my guild at the start of Classic played the game religiously until 60 and then did a couple MCs with us and left right away because he told me he has nothing to do anymore and the raids are boringly easy.
@@NumidiaWoW I don't know how they can release "a few" and maintain balance for example with Arena release the fresh servers will be at a huge disadvantage catching up.
@@joelschilperoort8790 Fresh Servers could possibly get their own battle grp, personally I'd rather progress but I'd be okay with fresh and giving them their own battle groups & not allowing server transfers from old servers.
I think about 15 hrs a week is what I had invested originally and that was more than enough time. I was a modest raider besides running a lot of Karazhan, a successful arena player and BG player. I was attuned as needed, got the tabards, etc, and enjoyed all the content I feel. TBC was my favorite expansion narrowly besting WOTLK which I thought I loved more, but now see it hurt the game IMHO as things moved forward.
I agree it should be. Most casuals will likely enjoy the attunement. Its got an ongoing story, and even if they just have time for 1 dungeon per day, you still get that feeling of progress. I don't get the sense that casuals dislike the onyxia quest for example. Its more a point of frustration for people who want to raid on 4 characters, but I wouldn't say those are casuals.
I don't really care that much about TBC but if it comes I want to be profession master in BC and sell make stuff and then put in AH... maybe be part of casual raiding guild but main focus probably will be casual raiding guild with more or less tbc experience ... Also will be healer in PvP bg's :))
TBC's probably the best middle ground between old school RPG (vanilla) and newer school MMOs (WOTLK implemented a lot of changes BY its end). It attracts both the vanilla crowd and the WOTLK crowd.
that badge video def sounds interesting. i honestly think it would be cool to see a “daily quest” video as well. just quickly showing where all the dailies are an maybe a brief description of what you do? that video might be kind of annoying to make though honestly lol
Oh I'll be pumping that type of game play / tutorial focused content everyday if I get into beta, It's just that I'm afraid to do something now and find out that it doesn't get added until a later phase of the game. But the badge video I'll definitely do that !
@@NumidiaWoW yeah that makes total sense. also just a thought but i feel like there’s an untapped market for tbc content in the “casual gameplay videos”. i really feel like ppl just like to see what the game play will look and feel like without having to watch streams where ppl sit afk for 10 mins while they decide what to do. if you could find a way to break that down into a video format. like the podcast version of playing tbc it would be sick. i enjoy your vids though dude keep em coming 😊
With TBC there is a lot required at the start of level 70. But once you're there and have pre-bis TBC becomes raid logger world if you're not doing Arena.
I'm a casual and classic already is a blast. The big downside from classic was the lacking variety in gear for the different builds and how to get it. TBC still has all the quality of classic but adds so much more good stuff, especially as a casual with only a few ingame friends you can get geared for your build thanks to arena etc.
Classic wow seems to reward time and dedication, whereas tbc seems to reward skill more. Not saying classic doesn't reward skill, but me gaining 16% to crit and ending up at 52.20% to crit for naxx is not skill. World buffs and gold farming are what make you successful in raids as long as your guild can execute basic mechanics. The hardest thing about classic raiding is coordinating 40 people. I am excited for the reduction in raid size and the negation of world buffs along with the addition of arena and a better honor system.
let’s be honest. there is nothing “casual” with classic wow and its community. all the classic wow players already know whatever you just mentioned and are ready for this. there is no hardcore or casual, there is only WoW player
One Moment Please, there is Casual and Hardcore. Most people think they are Big Players so you have to Farm like them use Consums like them otherwise you cant raid. If you dont have enough Time you cant raid Naxx cause of the Community
World buffs and having to spend more time saving the gold to get consumes to raid sucks. I've never had to do GKDP's just to purchase consumes to raid. Been playing since TBC and the inflation of gold botting is insane I hope the prices level out come TBC classic with the mage nerf
everybody wanna win and enjoy the game. from PvE to PVP players. big PVP Arena hype too. if the game is going to be casual friendly (aka some1 with less time or skills) depends on how are they gonna handle the economy. how gear dependant will be the PvP etc
If you define casual friendly as the possibility to progress your character statwise (to the highest lvl) by how much time you put in. Then vanilla and BC is extremely casual friendly. But if you define it as Competing at highest lvl, then every game is the same, as you can always improve and get better so the more you play the better you become. I would define it as the former, meaning that even if you have a tight schedule you can still do the raids and get the best gear.
Let's just try to be like retail wow and skip the leveling process and just have all characters do the same thing. I mean thinking is hard. In fact let's just give all characters max gear from the get go, I mean retail might as well lol. That's just my perspective dont mean to belittle yours.
Thanks for the upload Numidia +1. The title is a common question I see and hear often. *Short answer:* Ofc it is and/or can be. *Long answer:* I mean the super hardcore, world first seekers and such represent such a small grp compared to the total population. Just like in Vanilla, only about 0.3% cleared Naxx, now ppl clear it more easy ofc due to all the time and info we got with the game + ps to some degree (things are harder there). But even Kevin Jordan said recently in an interview that this super hardcore ppl are maybe 5%, so obviously the 95% is (serious) casuals, semi hardcore etc. It's the endless vidoes content creators spam out talking about "Meta, best, do X or you do it wrong" that confuse ppl and try make it normalized. Yes there ARE top notch setups when the stars align and all that, but mostly, you go with what you have. People are not 9-15yo anymore like in Vanilla. I was the odd-ball being 25yo back then, 41yo today. The word casual is used like "you're a big nab, you got no clue about the game" etc. When I play the game I do what is expected of me and play as best as I possibly can, but because I have something that is called "a life" with fiance and family, got more responsibilities then just to myself makes me unable to play WoW very hardcore, so does that make me or ppl like me a "bad player-casual"? No.
I think people should play the game the way they enjoy playing it and not care about what others have to say about them, if you're a casual player that only has a few hours per week to play you should embrace it, not care about what other people have to say and join a community / guild of people that are like-minded, likewise if you're a hardcore player that wants to play the game 14 hours per day you should also embrace it, not care about other people and join a community / guild with like-minded people, and same thing if you fall somewhere in the middle !
Ya, any single dads with 7 kids, working 2 full time 3 part time jobs, can raid no probs. In retails, you get burn just by doing wqs from Legion, bfa, SL. Truly sad
As someone who full cleared BT and sunwell, the raids will not be casual friendly, but that’s a good thing. Casuals aren’t beating archimonde or anything after him unless you can just out gear it
Casual players who don't value the journey, just the destination, will always be chronically unhappy. I played Vanilla WoW back in the day as a casual and I just started another character on Classic WOW last week. I've been enjoy the game a great deal. I enjoy the steady progression, having to explore the zones, being forced to find the mobs, having to pay attention to my surrounding least 2 equal lvl mobs don't potentially hand me my behind (work at it a bit), having a sense of accomplishment in completing class quests / professions, doing battlegrounds and then making an alt & working different starting & mid point areas. You can certaintly get some pvp gear as a casuall & do a bit of raiding. There is also a bit of jealousy and ENTITLEMENT on the part of some casuals. No, it doesn't make the game "unfun" because someone did an activity you didn't want to do (or couldn't because of a lack of time) and they got something you didn't because they earned it. It's the same sour groups you see in real life. Boo hoo, I screwed around in High School, didn't go to College, didn't learn a trade skill and now I deserve everything the other people have....jsut because. You make choices in life, and ya...sometimes "adulting" means you've got responsibility to your job, your spouse, kids & aging parents. So you can't raid and get all the goodies....so f--k what. Get over it. There is still a lot you can do in game...and if you're that busy "adulting" then you don't time to do it all anyways.
strongly disagree with the phrase 'the game starts only on 70' 80% of wow content is leveling, folks dont rush just do the missions, enjoy the lore and take your time because only streamers care about 'first bt, gruul etc'
The answer is PLAIN simple . I was a hardcore raider at 17 at TBC . I cleared all T5+T6 content with my guild before Blizz removed the attunements . I didn't kill M'uru and Killjaeden at Sunwell tho . Now , being 31 i want to go back to Outland to finish the job . But not the way Blizz wants me to . I want it done the way I WANT . Because i don't have time anymore . I don't want to enter Karazhan+Gruul+Magitheridon without completing every single quest available at phase 1 , without being exalted with all the factions available at phase 1 , without owning all the crafting patterns , wihout owning all the preraid bis for both main and offspec I don't want to enter SSC+TK if i am still missing drops from Kara+Gruul+Magi I don't want to enter Hyjaal+BT if i am still missing drops from SSC+TK I don't want to enter Sunwell if i am still missing drops from Hyjaal+BT Can Blizz treat TBC as a product that doesn't need to have just a 2.5 years of lifespan?Can we get MORE PHASES that last MUCH MUCH longer ?Because this is the only way TBC can succeed . At least 5-6 phases . That last at least for 8 months .
Dude, I played through all of BC pre nerfs, killed muru ( post intial nerf ) killed KJ world 15th or some shit. Im so hyped to go back and do it again.
It has been speculated for months now (leaks included), plus the new netherwing hatchling pet might be a leak on its own (from the new 20-60 euro pack)
Classic wow was ultra casual and chill. No pressure whatsoever. Chill levelling, A lot of new friends because you won’t come far alone. Every guild was able to do something in MC at least. You could farm some gold relaxed and laid back like a total boomer and go on gdkp runs for even better gear
It sounds like it is more friendly for casuals in the sense of people who have limited amount of time, but probably less for casuals in the sense of people who have no clue what they are doing and aren’t interested or invested enough to improve.
I’m on grobbulus as a brand new tbc casual. I don’t minmax, I don’t know what a parse is, I don’t care enough to figure out what downranking is. I’m just playing a video game my guy. They don’t pay me enough to work a second job. Wanna do some dungeons?
TBC is good, but I'm not going to continue playing in Wrath of the lich king. People remember it as the "peak" of wow, But it's the turning point where subscription numbers stopped to grow and turned into decline. Not surprised tho, since Ulduar was the only good raid in the expansion.
Tbh this entire video sounded like it was coming from someone wearing rose tinted glasses for tbc and was sour at their experiences in classic. Completely brushing over TBCs major faults and pretending the pvp system isn't going to be completely unbalanced between specs and comps. I agree classic had its faults but if you wanted to ignore the meta and just have fun you could do so via leveling and making experiences with people. . . where as in TBC anything besides endgame content is useless and rushed through as fast as possible which even he stated. Not bashing TBC, I just don't like biased opinion pieces being pushed as information
I wouldnt say it was the most balanced season ever in wow but it was good, sadly new TBC will bring a whole new player base and information which im sure just like classic will expose any flaw or advantage and be abused. Also TBC classic likely won't have the same patch progression as old TBC
Idgaf what anyone says. You cannot be a casual player and succeed in world of warcraft. You can have fun yes, but success doesn't come until you drop 12+ hours a day into it especially with classic
.....It's a video game. The whole *point* is to have fun. Reducing the entirety of WoW down to the raiding or PvP scene is highly reductive imo. There are people who play this game solely for the auction house, are they not allowed to have success because they aren't raid logging? 🤔 Speaking personally, none of my fondest WoW memories come from the endgame, and I think this mindset misses the beauty of what made WoW what it was. Reminder that at the time, WoW was *built* to be 'The casual MMO', in opposition to titles like Everquest and Star Wars Galaxies.
@@zorletos Facts im not denying there's fun to be had, but you can't be successful until you live and breath wow lmao. I actually just had this conversation the other night with one of my buddies. He said WoW lost its fun once he started learning what to do and how to efficiently level. Within my first few hours of playing classic it was a night and day difference, people were actually talking and groups were being formed to quest more easily. You don't see none of that in the antisocial retail version. its all about min/maxing efficiently, sucking the true genuine fun out of the experience and instead replacing it with artificial fun where we press a button and get some corn, metaphorically speaking lmao.
You're right attunements kinda suck for casuals. However everything else in the game is casual friendly so overall I'm of the opinion that casual players will have a blast in TBC.
Vanilla was super easy on casuals, but I bet that guilds having to kick out 15 or more players from their rosters, the lazy casuals will definitely be getting the shortest end of the stick. I mean... There are a crap top of people who dont even want to farm for consumables these days. It will still be easy for sure, but for people who are now used to doing absolutely nothing, the bare minimum of TBC will definitely feel much worse than vanilla.
if they release it same way as classic aka fully nerfed or as we from vanilla named it..kid friendly version...then be sure most from vanilla wont play TBC...no point playing lower difficulty settings game that you played long time ago on much harder settings...
If we're comparing apples to apples here tbc Over all is much much better for casual players It's a much better designed game. The memes Specs are better I wouldn't go as far as to call them fixter finished but they're certainly much better. Widely in dungeons have more meaning raids are better over all I would say As I said it's just a better designed game leveling as much better. Questing is a million times better just better over all now granted in my opinion I think wrath is the best expansion over all. But that certainly doesn't mean that BC was badd by any means
"Older people who have real-life responsibilities" I gotta stop you right there, due to covid most of us are working from home so bring on the expansion already!
TBC is more Casual friendly but at the same time harder for bad players because you have less people to hide behind. 10 mans are awesome for those who pay attention and hell for those that have no idea what they are doing
Agreed, I actually mentioned this in the video, because the raids are gonna be smaller in size there's gonna be a higher responsibility on each player in the raid.
WoW and Casual should not be in the same sentence. The only way to be casual is if you're not interested in getting super rare items. Then you can just explore the game and go fishing and stuff.
false. PvP: gets dominated by no lifes who got lvl 70 in 2 weeks and have almost full resilience gear by the time normal people get fresh 70 PvE: rogues cant get into PvE content and finding groups for normal dungs has become near impossible to do within 2 hours bc everyones doing HC and khara now
TBC was my all time favorite addon. They fixed out so many problems that crystallized during the end of vanilla. Namely Worldbuffs, meme speccs, the pvp system and the loot progression & itemization.
I think WoW Classic has a more 'hardcore' player base than retail because it is made up of people that want to re-play a 15 year old MMO. In saying that TBC has alot more welfare/catch-up systems that will come in with each phase. ie; badge gear upgrades, BG honor gear, etc.
Pre cata is casual. Classic is casual, tbc is casual, wrath is casual. Game is 15 years old. For a game to be competitive it needs a rating system..eg rainbow6, cod, etc. The only minor competitive system is arenas but even then only just.
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Did I give you this video idea? XD, Also nice microphone
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Pvp open world gold farming while grinding winter spring rep is fun
I love the Ghostlands. I cannot wait for Knucklerot to gank me when I am picking flowers.
sounds like an undead rogue name. you lost?
Plenty of casuals such as myself had a blast in classic.
Casual here. 13 hour shifts + kids at home. Still saw Naxx, Still got epic PvP gear.
Causal here only one guy to level 40....
@@tyfenrir Really? My guild mate had to sleep a few hours every other day for a few months grinding bg nonstop for r14 LOL
@@tyfenrir But do you do groceries, cook, iron, clean the house weekly, give enough attention to your better half, exercise (if you don't already move/ lift alot at your job) and have enough sleep to keep your body healthy (7-8h)besides that?
Even still, constant whining of casuals is what caused the downfall of WoW. All the nerfed raids - thank the casuals for that.
Really depends on your server, I'm probably going to roll PVE/RP this time. PVP attracted too much rush through the game tryhard cancer.
PvE servers definitely have an overall more chill community in general, I think the most important thing to do as a player is to pick a community of people that are like minded, if you're someone that just wants to enjoy the game and chill you should find a community (guild / server) that shares your philosophy, likewise if you're a hardcore player be surrounded by people that share the same goals as you.
Rerolled to to a RP Server too and the people there are so friendly and chill, actual Community over there 👍
BB is an awesome server for casuals :) had such a blast rerollling there in P6
@@galakros What is RP server? I know it is role playing and they have stiffer rules for naming but beside wow questing how serious are the custom made plots? Do you bump into players who are chatting about made up stories? What is the focus there? what casual people do there beside default wow content?
@@tamassefcsik6707 Well the people there talk normaly too. How hard the RP goes depends on the Guild. My Guild for example got a Group thats writes and planes events. Exploring, conquering, practice fighting etc. This even goes cross faction. There are serverwide events too like an PvP RP mixed tournament, faction mixed aswell.
But dont you worry, people wont force you to RP, most of them are actually pretty chill and helpful. Its not like retail RP with all that ERP stuff. Just less tryhard and more communicative. If you search the social part of the game, then u should try it out.
Getting into RP is weird at first, but it gets better. Not saying that it is for everyone, but it was a nice change of sceneary after all that toxic tryhard BS my old server has been going through.
Whoowee
Funnily enough, my girlfriend much prefers Classic to Retail. It's slower paced, progression doesn't feel as much of a blast through each zone.
AND it doesn't force you to do daily stuff everyday to stay up to date with your character !
I'm going to second this, I leveled in P3, took a break spanning the entirety of P5, and my warrior started P6 still with Dal'rends. In retail finding a raid group for previous tier would never happen, and would need 400ilvl for Naxx. By the time catch up mechanics get you to 400ilvl the bar would be 500iLvl. Meanwhile in Classic...MC,BWL,AQ40...filled out most of my P5 BiS and a couple mics pieces (ZG belt isnt onslaught, and fallen hero boots are 2 agi less than chromatic) but 2 weeks later I've got 2 Naxx weapons and good to go...
Typical gamer girl lul
I didn't really get into WoW until Wrath. Looks like most of the things I loved about Wrath actually made their debut in TBC. Thanks for the video.
TBC was much better than wrath, went downhill
@@aqdjbcr I played vanilla, TBC and Wrath. I disagree because Wrath was inclusive. Just to get to the point where you could even begin to raid in TBC literally required a flow chart for all of the reputation grinds and attunements. I could see loving TBC if you were in a hardcore raiding guild from day 1. I wasn't.
25 men raids, i remember Kara was just for 10 men and i loved doing it with my small but good guild in those days
Old wow is always way more casual friendly because it allows you to take the time you want and doesnt force daily tasks into your throat 24/7
* Cough * Retail * cough *
@@NumidiaWoW I got no idea what you are talking about ;-)
Um The classic PVP system would disagree with you sir very very highly disagree with you.
@@megamanx627 not everyones forced to do r14 and thats one item of classic
@@Adzy222 You are correct however The different says in any other part of World of Warcraft history you can always do PVP for catch up Gear.
Burning crusade and onward Yes the system is gotten convoluted over time I will certainly not disagree with that.
However let's be honest the PVP system was much better and burning crusade onward invited more people just to be able to jump in to pvp.
And was much less intimidating you didn't feel like It's all or nothing let alone you could take a break if you accidentally burned yourself out you don't have that option in classic.
So over all it's a much more superior system than it was in classic quite honestly I think the original PVP is toxic garbage.
It's not fun it's mentally and physically taxing promotes I would say unhealthy mentally and physically behavior.
And quite honestly unless you're in an organized group which is basically a pre made to crush everybody else which eliminates all challenge unless you're up against another pre made.
And on top of that if you're gonna be in one of those you're generally having some buddy scout ahead to the bg.
To make sure you don't so yeah all in all the region PVP system quite honestly in my opinion was one of the worst thing as and when the very few things I would say should have just been not put back in.
Hey guys, what class/spec are you going to play and any particular reason why? I used to play priest that time and I enjoyed healing ZulAman and Kara. I bet there will be plenty of BE prot paladin on the horde side, maybe I'll be one of them this time.
Im planning to come back for TBC Classic to play Enh shaman its my favorite spec alongside Ret. Both specs were bad in classic so i decided to skip classic because of that.
please Numidia or anyone, help me i need the first song, where is it from? i know its related to TBC but from where???
Its from Shadowlands actually. Here's the link : ruclips.net/video/qSrF5Lx94Kg/видео.html
@@NumidiaWoW thank you very much my friend, subbed and bell!
I’m as casual as they come and I had so much fun leveling my mage to 60 in classic! As a kid, I played vanilla here and there but never had enough time to fully dive into the game and never got to play TBC :(. Now that I have a little more time for gaming, I’m ready to go and very excited to have the chance to play classic TBC!! :D
Back in the day in TBC almost none of my friends were raiding and they all had lots of fun playing all the other aspects of the game by it dungeons, rep farming for mounts or other cool rewards, professions or just experiencing the world in general. One friend spent all his time levelling all 9 classes to 70 and then getting them all epic flying.
Great vid. Please do a video on badges in TBC like you mentioned. I started playing during TBC, but very late in the game and only got to 70 a couple of months before LK dropped. Im very familiar with the LK system, but have no idea about how they worked in TBC (amounts you get from dungeons, heroics, and raids. Were there weekly limits? Was there a particular instance to farm?). Also I really love it when WoW videos start and/or end with music and vistas from the game.
Then I will definitely do it !
Great video, needs more views. This was a good refresher too to remind me how gearing system works after vanilla. TBC and WOTLK were my favorites.
This is good to know, I figured it we’re more casual friendly. Just hope this means my friends will come back and play and stick around longer than classic.😅
I hope so too!
Any chance of a sporanger rep explanation video of those guys in 2nd zone?
I played TBC a lot back in the Days. Badges of Justice... They were introduced after a couple of weeks in TBC... and I have a mixed Opinion about them. They were thought as a catch up mechanic. It was very good for new players or new alt chars to gear up for Raiding t5 content. But the Problem with them were Kharazan. A very cool Instance but after the loot in kharazan was not relavant anymore it was only about the badges. the question was only does the group that instance in under 3 hours. some loot pieces were still interesting.
Currency based gearing system is a great system. Currency as in tokens like the badges of justice. Having certain gear drops based on chance is cool only if it's complimented with some kind of guaranteed way to get geared, like the tokens.
Do old raids like mc, ony, bwl and naxx get drop rates increased in tbc?
I'm casual. Pagle alliance
Lvl 6ò mage and 51 priest
Never did a raid yet
I play from 7 am to 10 am every other day with my coffee.
Never played wow before classic and I absolutely love it. It's a calming game with so much progress and char development.
Plus dungeons are so rewarding
You're gonna love TBC friend :p
What if i start the game fresh tonight.
Rogue or Mage or Druid. I can play any game mode.
At crafting you do need to set your foot into a raid if you wanna craft max rank weapons (what you are showing in the video), as they requirre nether vortexes, and those are bind on pickup items from T5 content raids (mostyl from trash). Also there are some crafted boe and bop items in T5 (belt of blasting
Primal nethers are dropped in heroics.
@@BLABLABLA-kl8eq yes, and nether vortexes are dopping in SSC and TK, and he is talkin about the Lionheart Executioner sword which is the final upgrade of the Lionheart crafted weapon what requirres 5 Nether Vortexes.
@@stanny18 forot about these
I thought you needed rating for weapons in arena season 1. I remember one of the best prot paladin weapons requiring a 1600 rating.
Nice Video! Please make a Video about the badges of Justice! Would love to watch it!
Will probably do that yes !
Do we have to start with a new character at the beginning again with new Server? Or can we continue with our Classic toons?
continue
you just answered exactly what I wanted to ask and you explained it very well, thanks!
A madman's game. Take a shot every time he says "PVP" or "TBC" between 6:06 and 7:33.
on my way to the hospital thanks
I don't think raid attunements and reputation are "unfriendly to casuals", it's literally content for casuals to do, every time they log in, they have something to do to progress their character. Some people in the comments think "being able to raid log easily" = "casual friendly", but they are missing the point.
I agree, there was a priest in my guild at the start of Classic played the game religiously until 60 and then did a couple MCs with us and left right away because he told me he has nothing to do anymore and the raids are boringly easy.
@@NumidiaWoW sounds like a him problem lol
I really hope they make fresh tbc servers, I stopped playing classic vanilla about a few months in
I have a feeling they will release a couple fresh servers.
@@NumidiaWoW I don't know how they can release "a few" and maintain balance for example with Arena release the fresh servers will be at a huge disadvantage catching up.
@@joelschilperoort8790 Fresh Servers could possibly get their own battle grp, personally I'd rather progress but I'd be okay with fresh and giving them their own battle groups & not allowing server transfers from old servers.
I think about 15 hrs a week is what I had invested originally and that was more than enough time. I was a modest raider besides running a lot of Karazhan, a successful arena player and BG player. I was attuned as needed, got the tabards, etc, and enjoyed all the content I feel. TBC was my favorite expansion narrowly besting WOTLK which I thought I loved more, but now see it hurt the game IMHO as things moved forward.
I agree it should be. Most casuals will likely enjoy the attunement. Its got an ongoing story, and even if they just have time for 1 dungeon per day, you still get that feeling of progress. I don't get the sense that casuals dislike the onyxia quest for example. Its more a point of frustration for people who want to raid on 4 characters, but I wouldn't say those are casuals.
I don't really care that much about TBC but if it comes I want to be profession master in BC and sell make stuff and then put in AH... maybe be part of casual raiding guild but main focus probably will be casual raiding guild with more or less tbc experience ... Also will be healer in PvP bg's :))
TBC's probably the best middle ground between old school RPG (vanilla) and newer school MMOs (WOTLK implemented a lot of changes BY its end). It attracts both the vanilla crowd and the WOTLK crowd.
Great job, sir. Subscribed.
Welcome aboard!
that badge video def sounds interesting. i honestly think it would be cool to see a “daily quest” video as well. just quickly showing where all the dailies are an maybe a brief description of what you do? that video might be kind of annoying to make though honestly lol
Oh I'll be pumping that type of game play / tutorial focused content everyday if I get into beta, It's just that I'm afraid to do something now and find out that it doesn't get added until a later phase of the game. But the badge video I'll definitely do that !
@@NumidiaWoW yeah that makes total sense. also just a thought but i feel like there’s an untapped market for tbc content in the “casual gameplay videos”. i really feel like ppl just like to see what the game play will look and feel like without having to watch streams where ppl sit afk for 10 mins while they decide what to do. if you could find a way to break that down into a video format. like the podcast version of playing tbc it would be sick. i enjoy your vids though dude keep em coming 😊
That depends. Does a mage know how to spellsteal?
Added in patch 2.0.1
With TBC there is a lot required at the start of level 70. But once you're there and have pre-bis TBC becomes raid logger world if you're not doing Arena.
True, I'll be doing tons of alts to keep it interesting personally.
Explain to me how Vanilla is different.
Dude. I hope to god that tbc is world of raid logger. Gold farming is the WORSE.
I'm a casual and classic already is a blast. The big downside from classic was the lacking variety in gear for the different builds and how to get it. TBC still has all the quality of classic but adds so much more good stuff, especially as a casual with only a few ingame friends you can get geared for your build thanks to arena etc.
Classic wow seems to reward time and dedication, whereas tbc seems to reward skill more. Not saying classic doesn't reward skill, but me gaining 16% to crit and ending up at 52.20% to crit for naxx is not skill. World buffs and gold farming are what make you successful in raids as long as your guild can execute basic mechanics. The hardest thing about classic raiding is coordinating 40 people. I am excited for the reduction in raid size and the negation of world buffs along with the addition of arena and a better honor system.
Keep delivering the premium content bro! Intro’s are pretty cool actually no homo
let’s be honest. there is nothing “casual” with classic wow and its community. all the classic wow players already know whatever you just mentioned and are ready for this. there is no hardcore or casual, there is only WoW player
One Moment Please, there is Casual and Hardcore. Most people think they are Big Players so you have to Farm like them use Consums like them otherwise you cant raid.
If you dont have enough Time you cant raid Naxx cause of the Community
World buffs and having to spend more time saving the gold to get consumes to raid sucks. I've never had to do GKDP's just to purchase consumes to raid. Been playing since TBC and the inflation of gold botting is insane I hope the prices level out come TBC classic with the mage nerf
everybody wanna win and enjoy the game. from PvE to PVP players. big PVP Arena hype too. if the game is going to be casual friendly (aka some1 with less time or skills) depends on how are they gonna handle the economy. how gear dependant will be the PvP etc
If you define casual friendly as the possibility to progress your character statwise (to the highest lvl) by how much time you put in. Then vanilla and BC is extremely casual friendly. But if you define it as Competing at highest lvl, then every game is the same, as you can always improve and get better so the more you play the better you become.
I would define it as the former, meaning that even if you have a tight schedule you can still do the raids and get the best gear.
I hope they'll add double spec or just free respecs
I've seen this idea circulating a lot lately, I'm very curious to see what they will do with it.
Please do not implement dual specc
Let's just try to be like retail wow and skip the leveling process and just have all characters do the same thing. I mean thinking is hard. In fact let's just give all characters max gear from the get go, I mean retail might as well lol.
That's just my perspective dont mean to belittle yours.
I was able to casually pvp for 3 expansions after tbc from honor points to arena cap. Didn’t need a full dive like classic did. Why I quit retail
I think my friend who buys thousands of dollars worth of gold will end up just fine. GDKP is his home and his gear all has a price tag still on it.
Bro thousands of dollars worth of consumes... more cost effective before Naxx came out now the prices are ridiculous
Up with another! Thanks bud!
Any time!
Thanks for the upload Numidia +1. The title is a common question I see and hear often. *Short answer:* Ofc it is and/or can be.
*Long answer:* I mean the super hardcore, world first seekers and such represent such a small grp compared to the total population. Just like in Vanilla, only about 0.3% cleared Naxx, now ppl clear it more easy ofc due to all the time and info we got with the game + ps to some degree (things are harder there). But even Kevin Jordan said recently in an interview that this super hardcore ppl are maybe 5%, so obviously the 95% is (serious) casuals, semi hardcore etc.
It's the endless vidoes content creators spam out talking about "Meta, best, do X or you do it wrong" that confuse ppl and try make it normalized.
Yes there ARE top notch setups when the stars align and all that, but mostly, you go with what you have. People are not 9-15yo anymore like in Vanilla.
I was the odd-ball being 25yo back then, 41yo today. The word casual is used like "you're a big nab, you got no clue about the game" etc.
When I play the game I do what is expected of me and play as best as I possibly can, but because I have something that is called "a life" with fiance and family, got more responsibilities then just to myself makes me unable to play WoW very hardcore, so does that make me or ppl like me a "bad player-casual"? No.
I think people should play the game the way they enjoy playing it and not care about what others have to say about them, if you're a casual player that only has a few hours per week to play you should embrace it, not care about what other people have to say and join a community / guild of people that are like-minded, likewise if you're a hardcore player that wants to play the game 14 hours per day you should also embrace it, not care about other people and join a community / guild with like-minded people, and same thing if you fall somewhere in the middle !
@@NumidiaWoW "people should play the game the way they enjoy playing it "
This. Been saying that myself a long time.
And this is as Andrew Speaking. AKA Gromnok Hord. Or Forsetdemon Alliance
TBC the game it all started for me.
Classic Vanilla was way more casual friendly than retail
Ya, any single dads with 7 kids, working 2 full time 3 part time jobs, can raid no probs. In retails, you get burn just by doing wqs from Legion, bfa, SL. Truly sad
Hi there, please turn on subtitles on your videos, if u can
Noted I will include the script from now on and let youtube automatically generate subtitles !
I don't know if you're gonna see this comment but which language would you like to see the videos translated to ?
@@NumidiaWoW English, it works now, thanks
As someone who full cleared BT and sunwell, the raids will not be casual friendly, but that’s a good thing. Casuals aren’t beating archimonde or anything after him unless you can just out gear it
Casual players who don't value the journey, just the destination, will always be chronically unhappy. I played Vanilla WoW back in the day as a casual and I just started another character on Classic WOW last week. I've been enjoy the game a great deal. I enjoy the steady progression, having to explore the zones, being forced to find the mobs, having to pay attention to my surrounding least 2 equal lvl mobs don't potentially hand me my behind (work at it a bit), having a sense of accomplishment in completing class quests / professions, doing battlegrounds and then making an alt & working different starting & mid point areas. You can certaintly get some pvp gear as a casuall & do a bit of raiding.
There is also a bit of jealousy and ENTITLEMENT on the part of some casuals. No, it doesn't make the game "unfun" because someone did an activity you didn't want to do (or couldn't because of a lack of time) and they got something you didn't because they earned it. It's the same sour groups you see in real life. Boo hoo, I screwed around in High School, didn't go to College, didn't learn a trade skill and now I deserve everything the other people have....jsut because.
You make choices in life, and ya...sometimes "adulting" means you've got responsibility to your job, your spouse, kids & aging parents. So you can't raid and get all the goodies....so f--k what. Get over it. There is still a lot you can do in game...and if you're that busy "adulting" then you don't time to do it all anyways.
I guess it depends.
If you can play 2 hours a day you'll do great.
If you can only play 14 hours on Saturday, you might be screwed.
Of course the more time you invest in it the more enjoyment you will get from TBC !
strongly disagree with the phrase 'the game starts only on 70'
80% of wow content is leveling, folks dont rush just do the missions, enjoy the lore and take your time because only streamers care about 'first bt, gruul etc'
The answer is PLAIN simple . I was a hardcore raider at 17 at TBC . I cleared all T5+T6 content with my guild before Blizz removed the attunements . I didn't kill M'uru and Killjaeden at Sunwell tho . Now , being 31 i want to go back to Outland to finish the job .
But not the way Blizz wants me to . I want it done the way I WANT . Because i don't have time anymore .
I don't want to enter Karazhan+Gruul+Magitheridon without completing every single quest available at phase 1 , without being exalted with all the factions available at phase 1 , without owning all the crafting patterns , wihout owning all the preraid bis for both main and offspec
I don't want to enter SSC+TK if i am still missing drops from Kara+Gruul+Magi
I don't want to enter Hyjaal+BT if i am still missing drops from SSC+TK
I don't want to enter Sunwell if i am still missing drops from Hyjaal+BT
Can Blizz treat TBC as a product that doesn't need to have just a 2.5 years of lifespan?Can we get MORE PHASES that last MUCH MUCH longer ?Because this is the only way TBC can succeed . At least 5-6 phases . That last at least for 8 months .
Dude, I played through all of BC pre nerfs, killed muru ( post intial nerf ) killed KJ world 15th or some shit. Im so hyped to go back and do it again.
The plain answer is : No.
You don’t seem to realize how trivial the PVE would be with such long phases.
wait is wow tbc coming back? is this confirmed?
It has been speculated for months now (leaks included), plus the new netherwing hatchling pet might be a leak on its own (from the new 20-60 euro pack)
It's not officially confirmed no. Here's all we know unofficially so far : ruclips.net/video/BuiM0gue700/видео.html
It's probably all about getting in the guild that suits your play style
Little complaint: The intro is too long. 30 secs of intro music is too long for me.
it was the best part of the video lol
Classic wow was ultra casual and chill. No pressure whatsoever. Chill levelling, A lot of new friends because you won’t come far alone. Every guild was able to do something in MC at least. You could farm some gold relaxed and laid back like a total boomer and go on gdkp runs for even better gear
well casual or not casual player isnt blizzard problem its player problem im right?
It sounds like it is more friendly for casuals in the sense of people who have limited amount of time, but probably less for casuals in the sense of people who have no clue what they are doing and aren’t interested or invested enough to improve.
I’m on grobbulus as a brand new tbc casual. I don’t minmax, I don’t know what a parse is, I don’t care enough to figure out what downranking is. I’m just playing a video game my guy. They don’t pay me enough to work a second job. Wanna do some dungeons?
TBC is good, but I'm not going to continue playing in Wrath of the lich king. People remember it as the "peak" of wow, But it's the turning point where subscription numbers stopped to grow and turned into decline. Not surprised tho, since Ulduar was the only good raid in the expansion.
I'll dabble with Wrath I'm curious to see if I will enjoy it more or less than TBC because I remember enjoying Wrath more than TBC back in the day.
To me WoW is all about your movements and skills there is a learning curve that you have to pass but when you finally get the hang of it WoW isnt bad
Tbh this entire video sounded like it was coming from someone wearing rose tinted glasses for tbc and was sour at their experiences in classic. Completely brushing over TBCs major faults and pretending the pvp system isn't going to be completely unbalanced between specs and comps. I agree classic had its faults but if you wanted to ignore the meta and just have fun you could do so via leveling and making experiences with people. . . where as in TBC anything besides endgame content is useless and rushed through as fast as possible which even he stated. Not bashing TBC, I just don't like biased opinion pieces being pushed as information
Actually season 2 of arena was considered the most balanced time in the game for pvp which is why the Merciless Glad title was so highly regarded.
I wouldnt say it was the most balanced season ever in wow but it was good, sadly new TBC will bring a whole new player base and information which im sure just like classic will expose any flaw or advantage and be abused. Also TBC classic likely won't have the same patch progression as old TBC
What's up with the slow motion voice? I have to put it on 1.75x to be watchable.
Idgaf what anyone says. You cannot be a casual player and succeed in world of warcraft. You can have fun yes, but success doesn't come until you drop 12+ hours a day into it especially with classic
.....It's a video game. The whole *point* is to have fun. Reducing the entirety of WoW down to the raiding or PvP scene is highly reductive imo. There are people who play this game solely for the auction house, are they not allowed to have success because they aren't raid logging? 🤔 Speaking personally, none of my fondest WoW memories come from the endgame, and I think this mindset misses the beauty of what made WoW what it was. Reminder that at the time, WoW was *built* to be 'The casual MMO', in opposition to titles like Everquest and Star Wars Galaxies.
@@zorletos Facts im not denying there's fun to be had, but you can't be successful until you live and breath wow lmao. I actually just had this conversation the other night with one of my buddies. He said WoW lost its fun once he started learning what to do and how to efficiently level. Within my first few hours of playing classic it was a night and day difference, people were actually talking and groups were being formed to quest more easily. You don't see none of that in the antisocial retail version. its all about min/maxing efficiently, sucking the true genuine fun out of the experience and instead replacing it with artificial fun where we press a button and get some corn, metaphorically speaking lmao.
Very nice, great success
Many many thanks
Before I watch the video I'd say no with the attunes and heroic keys and little catch up gear
You're right attunements kinda suck for casuals. However everything else in the game is casual friendly so overall I'm of the opinion that casual players will have a blast in TBC.
Great vid.
Amazing! Fantastic! Literally the best wow content!
POG THANKS!
EVERYTHING in wow has always been casual friendly
but do not think that means you will get free stuff just because
its an mmo after all
getting PvP gear in classic is probably the least casual-friendly I've seen in any game. It's really only for ppl dedicating their life to Wow
Vanilla was super easy on casuals, but I bet that guilds having to kick out 15 or more players from their rosters, the lazy casuals will definitely be getting the shortest end of the stick.
I mean... There are a crap top of people who dont even want to farm for consumables these days. It will still be easy for sure, but for people who are now used to doing absolutely nothing, the bare minimum of TBC will definitely feel much worse than vanilla.
I'm just here for moral support - and possibly simping for a rogue spot in TBC
if they release it same way as classic aka fully nerfed or as we from vanilla named it..kid friendly version...then be sure most from vanilla wont play TBC...no point playing lower difficulty settings game that you played long time ago on much harder settings...
If we're comparing apples to apples here tbc Over all is much much better for casual players It's a much better designed game.
The memes Specs are better I wouldn't go as far as to call them fixter finished but they're certainly much better.
Widely in dungeons have more meaning raids are better over all I would say As I said it's just a better designed game leveling as much better.
Questing is a million times better just better over all now granted in my opinion I think wrath is the best expansion over all.
But that certainly doesn't mean that BC was badd by any means
You forgot tbc have more debuff slots.
"Older people who have real-life responsibilities" I gotta stop you right there, due to covid most of us are working from home so bring on the expansion already!
TBC is more Casual friendly but at the same time harder for bad players because you have less people to hide behind. 10 mans are awesome for those who pay attention and hell for those that have no idea what they are doing
Agreed, I actually mentioned this in the video, because the raids are gonna be smaller in size there's gonna be a higher responsibility on each player in the raid.
I never had the makings of a varsity athlete
I am toooo hyped for this shieeet
Hop on the hype train !
WoW and Casual should not be in the same sentence.
The only way to be casual is if you're not interested in getting super rare items. Then you can just explore the game and go fishing and stuff.
Playing a hunter in classic is just gonna be even better in tbc ^^ can't wait to use misdirection to fuck with my friends
That cash shop will be very casual friendly bois.
TBC was wow's prime!
WotLK*
5 man dungeon pugs in TBC is much more rage inducing than Classic imo. Seen 10x more ragequit moment in 5 man TBC.
Fix subtitles pls
Should be fixed now, my bad :p
Also which language would you like to see the subtitles translated to ?
for a semi-hardcore classic player, tbc is casual as shit in terms of grinding, everything is more balanced.
false.
PvP: gets dominated by no lifes who got lvl 70 in 2 weeks and have almost full resilience gear by the time normal people get fresh 70
PvE: rogues cant get into PvE content and finding groups for normal dungs has become near impossible to do within 2 hours bc everyones doing HC and khara now
TBC starts out casual friendly and you can get to T5.5 relatively easily and then it becomes hardcore again in T6 and T6.5.
I talked to u in private and you didn't even know what Netherstorm is kappa
That's not true.
Oh hey, a video for me
Welcome aboard !
TBC was my all time favorite addon. They fixed out so many problems that crystallized during the end of vanilla. Namely Worldbuffs, meme speccs, the pvp system and the loot progression & itemization.
I think WoW Classic has a more 'hardcore' player base than retail because it is made up of people that want to re-play a 15 year old MMO.
In saying that TBC has alot more welfare/catch-up systems that will come in with each phase. ie; badge gear upgrades, BG honor gear, etc.
wrong, classic true enjoyment was the leveling for casuals, end game content was really trash for casuals.
Yes I'm talking about TBC not Classic :p
keeping those algorithms happy...
Yeah about those badges........
Pre cata is casual. Classic is casual, tbc is casual, wrath is casual. Game is 15 years old. For a game to be competitive it needs a rating system..eg rainbow6, cod, etc. The only minor competitive system is arenas but even then only just.
Demon souls < demon souls remake
Tbc < tbc remake
Hopefully you're right !
Original Demon Souls had a better soundtrack.
Also i disagree, classic world has a lot to offer.. world pvp? You meet so much people. Doesn’t happen in retail.. rp events etc
I hope Atlantiss TBC will survive