10 Things to Know Before the Burning Crusade - Classic WoW TBC
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- The Burning Crusade is considered by many to be the best expansion added to World of Warcraft , Classic WoW will eventually transition into TBC and with that you must know some things going into it as a player. In this video I will give you 10 things to know before the release of the Burning Crusade to prepare for it's release.
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TBC was the pinnacle of wow it didn't change talents or takeaway it took something good and made it better both pve and pvp
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I hope classic and tbc classic will be there for a long time and maybe after sunwell there could be tbc + content. No need for Wotlk. I’ll clone my Char and play classic and classic tbc
Dungeons is without a doubt going to be the best option at launch. What you and all other guide makers seem to forget is that rep is goin to be more important than hitting lvl 70 as fast as possible. The lvl 60-69 dungeons do not give rep after you become honored so grinding them BEFORE doing any quest for the same faction is preferable since quests give rep regardless your current standing. This also lets you have tons of quests left when you hit 70, and all the exp from those quests are converted to gold instead. Clearing Netherstorm alone is like 800g, almost your whole flying mount cost.
The 30 daily instance limit isn't going to be a problem either. Unless you have full T3 you won't clear dungeons fast enough to come close to 30 dungeon runs per day. I mean, sure if you play for 18 hours straight without having to form a new group, but thats too sweaty for most of us. If you play 8 hours a day you will never come close to 30 dungeon runs. And if you somehow magically do, don't skip half the mobs in the dungeon. Kill them all, they give both xp and rep.
Oh, and getting attuned to Karazhan is not a nightmare. If you don't consider running 4 dungeons on normal difficulty a nightmare. Sure, some dungeons require a key but if you are not no lifing and getting first 70 someone else is gonna have the key, either in your guild or in a pug. And even if you are among the first that just makes it 6 dungeons to run at 70. I really dont know what you mean by "days or weeks of farming", for most people its gonna be an afternoon.
The grinding of rep before hitting 70 is a very good point that I forgot about, thanks for reminding me I'll make sure to mention it in future videos !
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There is a caveat, though. If Blizzard rolls out TBC with the catchup mechanics of 2.4.3 only honored is required to access heroic dungeons and if that is the case, dungeon grinding becomes much less important as you can gain honored pretty much from only doing quests. I don't think they will, though, since the community wouldn't really like that.
Sorry if I came across as a bit hostile in my earlier post, I was in a bad mood. You handled it professionally.
@@joeltarnabene5026 the community WOULD like honored option much more than the revered one, trust me on that one. we had revered for heroics on Atlantiss TWICE and people were annoyed af about it. there just no point in grinding so many normals just to unlock heroic mode. it's not challenging, it's not "harder", it's boring. it's all so much more fun when HC is unlocked as normal content easily becomes boring and linear. oh and finding heroic groups is just MUCH harder that way too as there's fewer people eligible to enter a heroic
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Lol, I also play on Atlantiss, and you are not speaking for the community there.
The thing about private tbc server is that they usually die out so people are not as willing to put time into a character, since they have to redo the work once a new server drops. That is not gonna be a problem for official servers.
The thing with revered is not that it's harder, it's that it requires a time investment, and not really an unreasonable one either. That you find them tiresome because you did them 10 times already on alts is not a problem with the game but you being burned out on TBC. Aside from that, getting revered is actually harder with most factions since you need to run the trickier dungeons like Shattered halls to get rep after honored, so it's not just a time sink.
You say that HC is less "linear" than normal dungeons?
What?!?!
I'm not sure you know what that word means. The only difference between the two is difficulty, not linearity.
And finding HC groups is not harder when playing on a server that has a healthy player base. Atlantiss has lost loads of players due to how difficult and buggy the raids are, and those who are eligible to run HC are taking a break until T6 drops. Those who are not eligible are taking a break until December patch that nerfes the content. This will not be a problem in TBC classic. Hell, it's not really a problem on Atlantiss either if you get a guild with competent players. HC is supposed to be hard, and something you play after you gear in Kara, not before.
I also had many guild members getting revered way before they got all their pre bis pieces so to stop running normal dungeons was not an option for them anyway.
You are not making much sense, other than letting us know that you are one of those "I want my epics now" kind of player. Exactly the kind of player who later expansions was made for.
Oh, and if you did what I suggested in my original post, starting with dungeons before quests, you have to run like 4 normals for every faction to get revered. It's not an unresonable time investment. If you didn't, and rushed to 70 instead. Well, that's on you.
@@joeltarnabene5026 about the community, yes i can talk about it, since pretty much my entire guild quit the server as they couldn't find enough capable people to run T4 only. we were a guild with majority of members having a job and other commitments and T5 on start basically meant that you had to raid every day. about linearity, in normal dungeons you're just running through, while in HC, you actually need to have a different approach depending on your group. in some dungeons you have to save CDs for certain mobs, in some you need to CC, you need to be careful with pulls most of the time and bosses are more difficult. i hate boring content and normals ARE boring to run, while i had tons of fun running heroics with my friends/guild for basically the entirety of the expansion. i used to be a hardcore raider (one of the leaders actually) and i know how time consuming raids are on TBC IF YOU HAVE T5 ON START. if you have gated content (meaning T4 only at start, then T5, then T6), that's not an issue and everyone can enjoy the game. i'm a PVPer before anything else, but i do like raiding also, and no, i don't care even remotely as much about the gear as you said i did. i basically geared my entire hardcore guild in T5 before i even got a 2nd T5 piece for myself, so just stop talking as if you know anything about me. you can track the general population on atlantiss and see how fast the server is falling apart. that's not because people are "waiting" for content, that's because only those who have such large amount of time to play (aka students, NEETs, people without wives or relationships, etc) remained to play the game. PVP is dead, i explained the reason for it already. the itemization is 2.0, WHICH WAS CHANGED FOR A REASON ON RETAIL!!!! yet, they still implement it on private servers in order to "prevent" people from downing Kael before 2.1 content and using "IT WAS BLIZZLIKE EXPERIENCE" as an excuse. no matter how you look at it, there's NOTHING positive about the 2.0 itemization - it's boring, unrewarding, the gear doesn't motivate you to actually clear stuff, if you want to be a healer and do some farming in the open world - well, GL with that. there's just sooo many flaws with all of this and agree or not, but the general community does not want the environment as it is on atlantiss and i named many reasons why. i mean, you said it yourself that if i took leveling at a slower pace, that's on me - meaning, it's my fault i'm behind for raiding, also meaning that you don't understand the time required vs the time available. you might be able to play 8-12 hours a day, so you can justify it. for everyone else that has some life priorities and wants to treat WoW as a GAME and still enjoy it at their own pace, there's no place for us in a game with T5 on start. there's also no place for people that want to play arenas, as the entire PVP is dead. that's not the case on ANY WOTLK server and it wouldn't be the case on atlantiss either if the content was gated and the itemization wasn't that 2.0 garbage.
Some points seem overexaggerated:
- Attunements for Karazhan e.g. doesn't require "hardcore players days of grind" it simply, after a short prequest, needs you to run 5 high level instances on normal mode.
=> also the graph you show can be very misleading, letting someone believe that this are the requirements for Karazhan, but it's for ALL Raidcontent in TBC.
- Same goes for your Dungeon Grind: the lockout wont be a problem for 99 % of the population, since they wont be able to finish hellfire Ramparts within 12 minutes.
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Some points are just not true at all:
- Badges of justice were first only obtainable in HEROIC Dungeons - not like you said in 25 man raids.
You seem to heavily put perspective on a "hardcore" standpoint, especially comparing TBC to classic e. g. for Raids in classic you bring "few mages, few warlocks and hunters and the rest you stack rogues and warriors." that's simply not true and I'm convinced that more than 90 % of the guilds in classic don't bring 15+ Warrior DPS in their raids.
How to improve:
- as stated before you seem to come with a heavy "hardcore" bias => be aware on that
- be precise on the information given. here the example with the badges of justice, where it's clearly written "heroic and normal daily dungeon quests"
Good luck in the future with your video making
Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it !
One correction to your correction: The infamous attunement flowchart does not include all raid content in TBC, it includes up to and including Mount Hyjal. Black Temple has an additional attunement quest line, though it mostly takes place in the raids you'll be doing before the Black Temple anyway.
In addition alot will depend on what patch it comes out, as the aoe cap wasnt out at launch, same with spell haste, expertise etc. Hopefully they dont run it all on 2.3 or later.
Also every class and spec is currently viable to clear raids just not speed runs.
another mistake, ''magtheridon's lair only raid that doesnt need attunement''. false, gruul's lair didnt need one either
Classic - WotLK was such an amazing trilogy, I'd be happy with them progressing through all three then ending it there.
You obviously didn't play wotlk. It was the expansion that destroyed wow and brought in everything bad
@@G1Bryce Not really, that sounds like some superpersonal experience type bullshit. Wotlk had by far the largest playerbase and was extremely fun. I guess it varies from person to person.
@@G1Bryce lmao such nonsense. Except dungeon finder and maybe achievements (neither which really affected the gameplay that much...), name one thing that was bad about wotlk
Slight correction, bosses in heroic dungeons always dropped badges of justice, they just didn't add the heroic daily quest for bonus badges until later. Also, until a late patch in tbc, you could not summon people in netherstorm or in the dungeons there, so warlocks wont let you cheat the flying mount requirement for TK dungeons.
Oh for some reason I was certain that heroic dungeons dropped badges, thanks for the correction I'll be sure to mention that mistake in my next video.
Haha that's crazy this is the third video I seen this evening with a little clip of my quiet EU pve realm, Pyrewood-village
Not gonna lie: People wont get the same, original TBC experience as they had in 2007 because of videos like this. For my part, its not about getting as much XP per hour as possible, farm 5 dungeons per hour and get lvl 70 in 2 days. I want to enjoy the game. Enjoy Outland, the quests, the atmosphere...everything.
People say, you cant recreate the Classic experience. No you cant. If everything is about rushing thorugh the content and getting bored after 2 weeks and quit the game, its clearly not the same..
No offense, you did a great video. But u feed the "I NEED TO GET TO MAX LEVEL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND GET ALL THE GEAR AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" - playstyle, which (IMO!) ruins the classic and the TBC experience.
I think everyone should play the game at the pace they enjoy the most ! No one should feel forced to parse or reach max level super fast if they don't want to and if people don't like that there's a lot of chill and casual oriented guilds that share the same mentality, the people you play with literally define how much you will enjoy the game !
With that said a lot of players nowadays are looking for the fastest way to do X or the most efficient way to do Y, and all you see content creators do is answer to that demand because at the end of the day we need to make content that our audience wants to watch.
However I also do content for newer and casual players as you can see in my beginner's playlist, those videos don't do as good because those types of players are rarely looking for tutorials on youtube but I still make them because I want to share this important message with every casual / new player : Find a community of people that you will enjoy playing the game with, whether you're a casual or a hardcore player, play with people like minded and everything else is just small beans :D
Ive been playing wow classic for the first time for almost 79hours now and I’m having a blast. I don’t care if I’m not playing the right way as long as I’m having a lot of fun.
Heroic dungeons are probably the second best thing about wow tbc. Other than the opening zone hellfire peninsula amazing pvp experience
Over 10 comments on a single video just by yourself lmao
(1) fixing item sets to fit every spec
(2) granting hybrid classes the ability to perform each task
(3) furthering the reach of vanilla dungeons
(4) arena
(5) overall story arch
(6) reduction of 40-mans to 25-mans
(7) aesthetics of Outlands
Heroic dungeons are fun in the beginning but once you've done them all a million times for reps/attunements on your mains and alts.
Can you link the list of addons in your UI at the AQ0 bug fight? Looks absolutely amazing and clean
Looks like basic Tukui. Just adjusted sizes on health bars.
70% crit on a full T6 hunter with only red agi gems and Flask/raidbuffs was awesoe :)
AFAIK at the beginning of BC, you could not summ in Netherstorm, meaning you had to have a fly mount to enter TK dungeons, and so to enter Karazhan as well.
Ahh, the change in music from Classic to TBC, sooo look forward to it.
@Drey's Games blizzard just leaked BC, did you notice?
Nice video! Btw, Gruul’s Lair doesn’t need attunement either.
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed it ! It doesn't indeed I forgot to mention it thank you !
That zone is gonna be known as Hellzone Peninsula
Kek true
Any smart person will go to instance farming. Unless they introduce shit ton of layering.
@@rasmusjensen4838 layering ruins the game , I like to see a shit ton of people.
Arena is okay. Ganking arena teams at the queue spots is where the real fun is at though
I quit classic during ZG and didn’t expect to come back. As TBC gets closed I realize I’m totally coming back
Omg that section at 2:38. I cant even remember the name of the dungeon but we wipped soooo damn often here. It was a shitshow. Thanks for the memories. Subscribed!
That's the Mechanar, wiped on it a fair amount too especially on the female blood elf boss with her fire AoE and shit :p
I don't know about anyone else, but I realized that Classic is a step in the right direction for me, but is not "it".
I am looking forward to in TBC:
-Gear with stats that largely improve scaling to allow Max Level feel powerful. On Classic, a few level 30's can kill a level 60 since the gear and stats isn't so drastic. In addition, guards from certain area's can mug you up. I don't feel the sense of "Power" per say as a Max Level Tier 2 Geared Character, but maybe that's just me.
-Raids being pushed down to 20. Although it was nice to revisit 40 man raids, in my opinion, it's not optimal and way too much to handle as far as everyone showing up + everyone paying attention.
-World Buffs not being a thing
-Professions being more utilized even more so than Classic
-Revamp of PVP system + Arena +BG's actually being relevant and not filled with sweaty premades non stop
- And lastly off the top of my head, More specs and classes seem to have utility compared to that of Classic.
what many tend to forget is the fact that in tbc it doesnt matter what u spec everyone can do a rogue can healing a druid dps everything is possible a ret pally can tank due to dps/hps scaling literally but in the end play what ure fun with
I totally agree, in TBC more than in any other expansion everyone brings some value to the raid, of course some classes are more on demand than others but you need to pretty much cover every class and spec so you should really play something you like playing rather than something that performs good.
rogues can't heal in TBC. dunno where you got that from. i agree with playing what you like, but depending on what content you're doing and how geared you are, it DOES matter what spec you are. the only thing you can tank as a ret pala, unless you're overgeared, are normals.
AOE was really only nerfed for the massive 300+ Mara pulls. Arcane Explosion, for instance, has to hit 25 mobs in order to even trigger the damage cap in TBC. That is more than viable for grinding dungeons.
I was more thinking about Scarlet monastery early on when classic first released a lot of mages were doing that dungeon for many many levels stacking thousands of EXP/Hour, and those were way more than 25 mobs per pull. So I compared that to farming hellfire ramparts using that same method and it's going to be nowhere close to what it was.
Is aoe farming dungeons with mages still going to be kinda viable ? Certainly, is it going to be as crazy as it was in classic ? Definitely not.
ret paladins in hc dungeons don't make me laugh, most if not all dungeons groups tended to specify ranged dps only, because bosses merchanics tended to make mincement out of your average melee dps. (grumpy old TBC vet here)
Yeah I remember the first boss in Arcatraz and how much of a pain in the buff that was for a melee :p Or the second boss of Mechanaar. Heroic dungeons will be a pain in the butt for melees.
Please blizz, just give us 30 layers over the first 2 weeks
Awesome video! Thank you so much!
By the way, just out of curiosity, what is the final piece of music you used at the end of your video? It sounds amazing!
ruclips.net/video/Rx-yE6cvtiM/видео.html There you go
Well, I play shaman, so my raid spot is already secured :)
Shamans are really good and you can never have enough because of bloodlust spamming so it is secure pretty much :p
When the patch release all the gold that you save in your char will be gone? Or you still have it? I need answers im new at TBC btw
7:14 1 rogue at 98 ;>
What are you talking about that getting attuned to Karazahan takes days of farming? That is legitimately stupid. Getting attuned to Kara takes:
1. 2 quests
2. Go to Dalaran
3. Go to Shattrath
4. Run Shadow Labs (Normal)
5. Go to Steamvault and Arcatraz (Normal) (You do not have to to kill any bosses to get these)
6. Go to BM (Normal)
7. go back to Shattrath.
This can be knocked out in a single afternoon/evening easily.
Hellfire is gonna be a blood bath
The best expansion yes. The only thing beating vanilla. Everything after except ulduar pales in comparison
On pservers we get all our rep farms done in 1 day and that same night we run as many heroics as we can. I think the pserver playstyle will funnel down to the other players quickly in classic TBC. But since we have so many rogues and wars on classic I bet there will be a lot more than pserver used to seeing, which will be weird af.
I don't agree with the first point at all. I think you should focus on getting honored through dungeons before doing zone-quests that give rep. Will save you a bunch of time and heartache later on. Also i think you can start doing kara attune at 68.
I personally feel bad for the copious amounts of Warriors trying to find raid spots or even guild spots as either the token Arms Warrior or one of the few Prot Warriors per raid. Hence why I'm rerolling and prepping now lol.
Yeah I'm definitely rerolling hunter on TBC, altho if my guild will be big enough I will definitely try going prot on my warrior and join a split raid or something.
Let's be real, anyone who rolled warrior in classic just to top the meters is going to reroll lock/hunter anyways to do the same in tbc.
@@hawtlava True, however with the way a lot of the other classes have gotten better, hopefully class diversity increases.
Kara Attun takes few hours really.Grulls lair doesnt have attun too. Its not taking months for any attun in Tbc, just some are locked behind last bosses in raids.
Loved the vid as always man!!!
Thank you I really appreciate it !
Also prep for tbc by farming gold now !
Yes I actually mentioned that for the flying mount :p
So Vanilla Classic is going to turn into TBC? Meaning no more Vanilla classic after that? Or will both be playable at the same time?
Been watching youtube for a couple years for my gaming content and i just wanted to say you make good vids!
Thank YOU for watching ! I appreciate it.
All that matters is that epic mount speed so you can gank everyone as soon as you hit 70. It’s the only reason to play clasic really to save your gold for that sweet ownage at 70
I just hope that Blizzard won't utilize that notorious Sunwell nerf patch, that nerfed all of the raids significantly (-30% hp reduction and dmg reduction on all raid monsters and bosses).
But I get the feeling that they just don't care or bother what the community wants, so they'll just push out that latest TBC patch that included those raid nerfs, clap each others back and say "work complete" like Peons that they are.
@Robertson Thirdly Followed by the sounds of hand clapping and: ruclips.net/video/5r06heQ5HsI/видео.html&ab_channel=PinchySkree
Do you think horde enhance shammy will have a secure raid spot and easy to find dungeons and heroics
Any shaman will have a very easy time to find a raiding spot because you always need at least 5 per raid to cover every group's Bloodlust/Heroism, and from what I understand it's pretty hard to get 5 shamans consistently so I think you'll be fine.
And on top of that enhancement shamans do good DPS.
@ other than the PVP part you mentioned, you're wrong otherwise. shamans do get invited, not because of their damage, but because of their utility. having totems to buff you is so valuable to everyone in the group. warrior and druid tanks, especially with a resto druid in their groups, will take enh shaman over any pure DPS class because of the resurrection ability. furthermore, if you wipe, a shaman can reincarnate and revive everyone else. these things are so meaningful because people will die in heroics and wipes will happen.
Worst part about tbc - farming rep for hc keys
Kara attun took me a few hours , what are you talking about with "days/weeks" xD it all depends on your luck in finding a group,its really not that much or hard tbh,imo the ony attun was waaaaaay harder and more annoying,since its way easier to get ppl for a SL/SV/Arc than getting ppl to kill a worthless dragon somewhere in the world :) nice video though
I literally was coming to these comments to say the same thing. this guy is out of his mind talking about it takes weeks or months. I think he's kind of mistaken and thinks that in order to get atuned to Kara you have to do Shadow Labs, Steam Vaults, and Alcatraz as heroic. But that isn't the case you can do them as normal
yes same . just like in classic these idiots talked bullshit about how hard raiding was and how u need to get resistance gear and shit . now idiots like this one talk bullshit about attunements being long . they arent long . its literally 4 fcking dungeons to get kara attune ffs :D
Would expect Terrokar after Zangarmarsh, not Nagrand ;-)
Yes my mistake :p
To be honest if you do all the quests and dungeons you will be more than able to go Nagrand so it really opens up after Zangarmarsh. I usually go Terrokar-Blade Edge Mountains and Netherstorm.. But you could skip Terrokar forest entirely and do just a few quests in Blade Edge, return to clear Nagrand and then go straight to Shadowmoon Valley.. bar the two first zones questing is not linear.
Attunements were not that bad..
You typically had %90 of it completed just by leveling....
You'll be easily halfway or near revered just by question and killing mobs
So is Classic ending ? I mean I would think for those that like Classic, Blizzard would leave certain servers as Classic and allow the player the option to jump to a BC server
if they wanted to
actually, Hunters and warlocks are the best dps classes in TBC. warriors and rogues are bottom tier, at least until Tier 6. do not pick those if you want a raid spot in a serious guild. Well, I shouldsn't say, you won't get a raid spot, there is spot for 1-2 rogues and 1-2 warriors in the raid, the lonely rogue in the raid is there to apply weakness (assassin or sub rogue, don't remember) and warrior to apply sunder armor. the rest of the dps will be mages, warlocks, hunters and ele shaman (totem of wrath is fantastic for caster group). in Tier 6, rogues finally get good gear that makes them viable. Tier 6 and warglaives make them beasts. but that is very late in the expansion. the same with fury warriors, they can also use the warglaives.
as for tanks: Druids are the best tank from early TBC until tier 6. in Tier 6, Paladin and warrior catch up. So if you look at classic now.. the roster gets turn completely on it's head, what sucks now will be fantastic and whats fantastic now wuill suck. so all you fury warriors out there.. time to reroll
But...he said class stacking won't be a thing in TBC so it will be harder than classic? You mean people are going to bring mostly optimal classes to steamroll content?
When tbc release? I saw many videos in youtube already play wow classic tbc
We don't know when it releases yet, those videos you saw are either from a while ago or from private servers
What if this is the biggest jbait in WoW history?
@Brian 👍 sorry your that emotional over a comment. Must be a tough life you live. Best of wishes. 😁
Do you think it's possible to level in the old world (classic content) and avoid the bottle-neck in Hellfire Peninsula?
Yeah some people are planning on running LBRS until level 61-62, but until we get the game and test that out ourselves I'm not sure if that's going to be a good plan.
@@NumidiaWoW That's reasonable, we can I only speculate atm. Thanks for the response 👍🏼
„The Masters Key“ can be optained in less than 2 Hours total Even with a casual grp
Lol no. Not before the final patch
B. K. Ofc you just have to clear 3 normal dungeons and 4 trash packs in sv might be slightly longer in case of 2.0.3 given you gotta fly to cot:bm
I don't get why people are so worried about attunements. I'm pretty sure raids will release like they did for Classic Vanilla, so there will be plenty of time to get attuned
daily dungeon cap will be removed because since AOE will be nerfed it doesnt rly have any use
I hope you're right, it's Blizzard we're talking about they'll probably forget about it :p
Video analyzing how fast TBC will degrade into that "boosting gbid raidlog parses clear all content" state would be great.
Taken 4-6 months for classic, probably will be much faster in TBC.
What dungeon are you referring to? You say that hat we should do dungeons
The resto druid is still an absolutely fantastic arena healer, however over the past decade people have fine tuned the skill levels of other healers to catch up a bit.
To be honest i dont arena has ever been balanced in wow, the day it becomes balanced it will probably die.
Balance isn't fun.
Agreed if you balance every class way too much you end up making a very boring game, but if you ignore balance all together you end up making an annoying game. There's a balance within balance itself and that's very hard to achieve.
At the high level TBC arena was more of a comp check, if you got matched with a comp you knew instantly whether you were gonna beat them or not given both of the parties played optimally.
skilled rdruid is still way superior.
Only thing you need is dungeon blues and you can raid t6 Use cds once boss dead ez clap
Can we skip to WotLK classic? :)
No :)
first flight is 160% not 60
Can you link the picture of key quest?
? no1 who had a clue knew that classic wouldnt be hard, majority of pserver players knew that pservers tuned values up.
Many players expected Classic to be hardcore, many got disappointed.
People were surprised classic was easy? The hardest thing about vanilla was the lag...
1.12 was known to be the only build they had and it nerfed content with some class balance improvements. Classic is for nostalgia.
With TBC it’s thought that they have every patch as released.
This could be released exactly as we played it.
@@TheNebulose releasing TBC as it was released originally is a HUGE mistake. it only worked back then because people didn't know anything about the game and had to figure all of that out on their own. atlantiss released T5 on start TWICE already, with 2.0 itemization as well as pre-nerfed and heavily buffed values. all hardcore and semi-hardcore guilds are 3/4 TK and 5/6 SSC despite that, while PVP is dead. why is PVP dead, you might ask? because it's arena season 1, just like it was on the original - and that gear doesn't even come remotely close to the T5 gear. the next issue is that casual and mid-level guilds do not exist anymore, because all the decent players have either joined better guilds or they aren't playing because of obligations, because in TBC with T5 released on start, you WILL have to raid AT LEAST 20 hours a week (5 raid days), with majority of guilds that progressed into T5 are raiding 28 hours a week. that's just absurdly time consuming. releasing T5 on start is just a horrible idea that shouldn't even be considered. i guarantee it will ruin the entire game.
What about Arenas
I'm not prepared for the streamers, bots, AoE farmers, and min-maxers
That's the unfortunate reality of playing WoW in 2020 :p
excellent!
Thanks you I appreciate it !
So vanilla will be upgraded to tbc? Or fresh tbc from lv1?
Nothing confirmed yet, what I think will most likely happen is the current Classic servers will be upgraded to TBC, but that's just my speculation.
@@NumidiaWoW that won't happen. blizzard has stated it in their blue posts several months BEFORE the launch of classic, saying that classic (vanilla) will always remain where it is, even if they decided to develop other projects. when TBC is out, it will get their own servers, highly likely with the possibility of character copy (and they confirmed that too, that if they release TBC, characters will be COPIED and not transferred). however, i just hope they release some servers that start level 1 without the possibility of character transfers.
@Brian the entire wow franchise is a money grab - it's always been (like any game with a subscription model implemented). they did say classic will stay permanently. the way i see this is they'll have vanilla, TBC and WOTLK servers at some point, but we'll have to wait and see how they'll handle this. i don't care about being right or wrong, so you can have that trophy. all i care about is that they don't screw up the following 2 classic expansions. i can't care less about what happens to classic vanilla if i'm to be honest.
Mind getting closer to the mic? I can't hear you
You think I'm too quiet ?
Every tbc video focuses on the end, not scraping together groups an struggling to get the few heroics done for entering the first raids.
Depending on alot of things you may not be wanted in heroic farming groups.
If all the raiding naxx level warriors an rogues level to 70 it will be a gods send for five man normal an heroic group forming.
Grinding out some arena points to get season 2/3 even one piece will be a good idea for most.
Pre true 25 man raid gearing up is the greatest part of TBC
It's a shame that most of the heroic gear will be wasted as it's not better than 25 man loot.
arenas have never been balanced, there are always specs which are way better than others. people like to joke about classic but retail always has some specs in the game which are so bad.
Yes WoW was never fully balanced and I don't think it should ever be fully balanced because that would be too boring. There's a balance to hit within balance itself to have the game fun but not frustrating to play.
Yeah but most people don't take WoW pvp too seriously, which is why it's not very successful on the esports circuit compared to LoL, DotA or Starcraft. If they're going to release TBC as it was you're going to have a fun time with Beastcleave, Mace stun and RMP lol
tbc is the best expansion ever . Cant wait
Agreed. I played a mage in a World Top 50 guild back in the day and my best memories were from getting server first (and competitive world ranked) kills on Vashj/KT/Archimonde/Illidan/and all of Sunwell, as well as speed farming ZA for bear mounts for everyone in the guild. Proud to be a member of the top 50 guilds who cleared Sunwell back in the day, and since our guild was just so far ahead of the other guilds on the server it felt like a real achievement having a good amount of gear from those raids before the server second kills even happened.
Sadly the guild broke up early into WotLK because of lack of interest and people quitting after we cleared the first raid tiers and got our Black and Played Proto Drakes a couple weeks in. The content in early WotLK was such a step down in difficulty in comparison and people just got bored and burnt out. We did manage to do the Ulduar hardmodes but with most of the core raid having been replaced and i personally quit for a while after that myself. Once Yogg 0 grind was over i was burnt out myself and lost interest, which is a shame because I enjoyed ICC and it would have been nice to have done it on Heroic with a solid group in the server first race, but I ended up just doing it in a semi casual guild eventually when I came back since the original guild had ended up meeting and eventually breaking up before then.
Looking forward to playing a tank and/or melee dps in classic TBC though, probably warrior.
6:15 how you even get through aq40 in 31 minutes? 😂 it’s about just keeping W pressed all the time
One quest item n one or 2 rampart items then just pvp the 1st week of tbc. Will be later to 70 but gonna be so much fun
This video refreshed my memory of how many babies there are out there that I am going to enjoy making cry in tbc.
Ahhhh TBC. The expansion of unnecessarily overpowered hunters. First time I benched my main to reroll hunter. What a fun expansion. Easily has some of my best wow memories.
What level do you have to be to do Tbc
Can't get into the Outland (TBC zone) till 60. Or couldn't then.
@@galanie no lvl 58
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if u are a player who is mainly focused on raiding, and wanne survive those world pvp encounters.. u shouldnt play on a pvp realm than lol
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks TBC is a bad idea. It just sets a bad precedent. What after TBC? Classic Wrath? Okay. Then Classic Cata? Does anyone REALLY want to start down that path knowing where it ends up? All they're doing is progression servers from EQ. I don't think that's what everyone who loves and plays classic wants. I promise you if they announced classic as progression servers people would be pissed.
I think re-releasing the trilogy of Classic Vanilla, Classic TBC, Classic Wrath every 6 years is enough to make a lot of people very happy for the rest of their lives, me included !
Maybe even down the line have all those versions running simultaneously at once so that people play what they enjoy the most.
Also I'm not a fan of Cata myself but I feel like the same arguments people were making against the release of Classic could be said for Classic Cata, which would be selfish to do, so if there's a demand for Classic Cata I say give people what they want even if I myself wouldn't be interested in playing it.
But on the alternate side, NOT providing any expansion content beyond Classic will kill the game itself far faster than releasing expansions, IMO. Most games that do not get DLC/Xpac content once in awhile tend to die off as players get bored of doing the same thing over and over and over again. Classic WoW will be just the same. Do you still play Borderlands 2 in these past 8 years since release? It has several DLC available, but they don't last more than a day or two to complete. The goal is to keep people paying for subscriptions, and stale games don't encourage people to shell out more money. I for one was lost to Blizzard when they simplified the talent system from the trees we are enjoying in Classic, to the noobified cookie cutter talent system that retail uses today. Though I understand why they did it.
There are still private servers I assume because I have seen content posters like Numidia speaking about playing on TBC servers currently, even having streaming raids via youtube. And if they will activate the ability to stop acquiring XP, players can stop at 60 (or twink levels) and just do classic content (which doesn't change much really until (I think it was) Wrath when world elites were eliminated) to their hearts content while not having to set up all new servers just for an expansion, and the hassle of moving players around. The current servers can handle the general player loads without costing too much more out of pocket for creation or consolidation of servers due to mass exodus of players.
The only other alternative I see for Classic to progress would be for them to create all new content. And that is a considerable undertaking of resources (primarily workers). Verant did the right thing with EQ until Sony took over. They released at least 3 expansions without need for level cap increases, and that didn't utterly destroy all previous necessity of past raid content. Everything was still relatively viable until PoP came out and the level cap was raised from 60 - 65. Now Sony has milked it's cash cow to dust spamming out expansions.
@@ryuoki1 I'm a fan of the old school Runescape plan myself. Of course that has its own problems: the biggest being that I wouldn't trust Blizzard to do it right.
@TookyG No you are far from the only one who thinks this way, I have seen this type of comment in many forums. I have yet to understand how the logic works, why do we haft to think 5 years ahead, why does that matter so much? There was a big demand for vanilla wow, blizz decided to make it. people are now enjoying playing vanilla, end of story. They might stop here or continue making more expansions, who knows. If they make progression servers there will still be classic vanilla only servers 100% for those who want to stay, so why would they be pissed?
" What after TBC? Classic Wrath? Okay. Then Classic Cata? " I highly doubt it, but if there is a high demand for cata, why not? It wont affect you in anyway, you can stay in the expansion you prefer.
Atm classic wow is a great sucess, with a huge playerbase even more than a year after, but eventually these numbers will dwindle. So either wow classic " dies " in a few years ( I am sure there will be enough players to atleast have a healty player population on a few servers ) or they continue into Tbc > Wotlk and extend the WoW classic journey with many years.
@@jimmyandersson9938 Not all of us came back to classic just for vanilla content (much of that is still available as well as turning off xp gains if you just want to stay 60). Some (probably most) of us came back for the customized characters the talent trees provided us the ability to have rather than the cookie cutter communistic style characters of retail with minimal options of customization and uniqueness. Personally I prefered TBC and WotLK because they balanced all specs of every class far better than this current original. And I played through every release personally.
im frost mage will i be ok lol
So many paladins are about to be born lol
Class balance is great in classic wow. Paper rock scissors is what made classic so great. Oh wait you’re talking about pve lol. Hahahahah.
And dps is not everything in pve raids
Dude straight up ripping off Preachs TBC video
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Linear questing sucks and wow classic non linear questing is one of the best aspects of the game.
That mic quality :( It's hard to listen to.
Wait is it really that bad ?
No, it is not that bad
please timestamp your videos
I'll be shamelessly honest, that messes with the watch time and I really don't want to risk that lol
I do include them for news videos tho because viewers want to know the highlights and I don't really put that much time and effort into those videos and they're only gonna be relevant for a few days so I don't really mind.
If they layer tbc release in pennensula I’m going to rage.
Naaaaaagraaaandddd
Island of qual Dana’s oh man i forgot how awesome that place was. Pvp amazing zone to grief all the loser pvpers grinding gold hahahaha
Are you okay?
1) TBC is not confirmed.
Indeed, but there's no harm talking about it before it's announced :)
it basically is. the poll was worded in such a way where you could conclude it's just a matter of time. the next clue is how they're rushing the current vanilla content so they can get to TBC as fast as possible. they aren't publicly releasing numbers, but i think that many people are leaving classic and they will have to do something about it. naxxramas will completely break the game, mark my words. PVP is already a joke on classic and naxx is just gonna make it that much worse. TBC is basically inevitable at this point.
dataminers found the tbc beta launch, so it basically is
Everything is a nightmare to you.lol.
Imagine doing a video about tbc without knowing that BoJ drops from dungeon heroics.. kek fucking w
I just subbed a couple days ago because your content is great... But I have to unsub because of language. Sorry, I got kids I watch videos with. Good luck in the future, bud! 😁
5:20 GRUULS DOSENT REQUIRE ATTUNE BRO
Resilience is over rated. Pve gear is better for many classes that are good at positioning and crowd control. Resilience only matters if you get hit in the first place. For example if you suck.
this is plain wrong, all classes need resilience.
you either didn't play TBC "recently" or you did it at an extremely casual level by playing like 30 minutes a day. i'm not the type of person to cling onto every single word someone says and dissect it, but saying it takes DAYS to do the kara attunement for a hard core player? karazhan was fully cleared on every private server within the 2-3 days of realm first level 70. a random player can do the entire quest chain in 12 hours game time - it's seriously not long or demanding at all and there's only 4 NORMAL dungeons you need to do (normal is capitalized because you don't need any pre-requisites to enter them, however having keys for two of them does ease things a BIT): Shadow Labyrinth, Steam Vaults, Arcatraz, The Black Morass. upon finishing BM, you're attuned and ready to enter.
saying that only Magtheridon's Lair requires attunement is false and that other raids require months of prior content is just silly. Gruul's Lair doesn't have any attunement requirement either. in order to enter the SSC, you need to kill Gruul and Nightbane after accepting the quest at SP heroic. as for TK attunement, it is a lengthy quest chain, but the vast majority of it is doable in a single day. the trials are tough unless you have some gear, but why would you even consider raiding T5 unless you are already geared? that quest chain can be started as soon as you reach level 67 and can almost be completed by the time you reach max level. however, i seriously hope they'll gate content so that we do NOT have T5 on start.
dailies should NOT be in the game on start. they should be added when BT is added (T6) - Ogri'la, Sha'tari Skyguards, Netherwing.
Thanks for the clarifications I hope you enjoyed the video !
First expansion. Not best.
They should continue with Wrath of the Lich King and then stop. The three perfect and original games imo.
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The 300th like here
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Please stop on wotlk