*Timestamps!* Warlocks were my second fav class for TBC. This one time a higher level Paladin decided to gank me as Affliction in Arathi Highlands and it didn't go well for them, despite me being in combat with a mob too. 0:00 Intro 0:51 Warlock Overview 2:33 What's New? 5:38 Leveling 6:44 PVE - Demonology 9:20 PVE - Affliction 11:20 PVE - Destruction 15:05 PVP - Destruction 16:05 PVP - Affliction/Demonology 17:49 Tier Gear 19:19 Is it any better?
Great video ! Lock was my original childhood class main in cataclysm and came back for classic and leveled a hunter got him fully geared which I really ended up regretting and now I’m following my instincts of rolling my fav nostalgic class
Hey all! Hope the video was a good one. I know I had already had a bit of fun at warriors expense in the warrior video but uuhhh.. originally I had done this one first, so I left the thing in at the start. Also about the pvp remarks, im sure part of the calling it easy is my ongoing memories of playing a shadow priest in actual tbc and the amount of things you had to go right in order to beat an SL/SL lock whilst they literally could press 123 on their dots and win fairly easily. Maybe that was just me though!
Nah WillE I agree with you. I entered TBC with a shadow priest and ended up rerolling to a hunter since I loved the pet management aspect of the class. My best friend at the time was a warlock. We knew each others account and passwords so we could play each other accounts if they were offline and were bored. I remember my buddy got hooked onto another game for a bit in TBC so I played his warlock a lot. And god damn, i felt like a PvP god whenever I played his lock. And i thought my BM hunter was OP meanwhile I remember easily being able to 2v1 people on my buddies lock easily in affliction or sl/sl. I even remember playing arenas with my lock buddy and would get pissed when he made simple mistakes, it came to the point where I knew his class better than he did. I originally was thinking about rolling a warlock in classic with mostly TBC in mind but made a warrior since I barely played any melee classes in old WoW expansions. Rogue is to squishy and cooldown dependent for my tastes. Most likely will use that lvl 58 boost on a lock. Already leveled a warrior, hunter and mage to 60, don't have the desire or motivation to do it for another class.
My BC experience was in order 70 Mage, 70 Hunter, 70 Shaman then I got a 70 Warlock... then slapped myself for not playing one sooner... it was just so busted.
This is good information to have, I'm hoping to have a computer that can run BC by the time it drops, and knowing what all changed between the versions will help with decision making if I get there...
Destro fire was great for pve, I was top of dps from start of tbc until Sunwell. There is actually a rotation! Immolation, incinerate and conflag. The base damage is actually higher than shadow bolt because you always had immolation up, only lapsing when you use conflag when it's about to expire. It also has a faster cast time, 2.25 vs 2 5. It was amazing with hit and crit gear. You could also get a mini buff from a herb in zangermarsh that increases your fire damage for 15 seconds. Seed of corruption is still op, and alot of encounters weren't aoe until later raids were released. Basically every boss is single damage. Everyone has this weird mindset that shadowbolt is bis
I also preleveled a warlock just for BC. People at the time were saying I was wasting my time because either BC wouldn't come or we weren't sure it would. Bet they feel stupid now.
I definitely went fire lock. 7/0/54 ftw. I did keep separate gear for fire resist boss fights, like that bird (?) for example (otherwise i'd use fire dmg belt etc). Another fun bit was 2v2 arena. It was a shadow priest and i, so the opponents would quickly pop into shadow resist gear...only to get killed by fire. The tanking was easy as a fire lock ofc. Always used to end up 3-manning scholo and stuff (lock-priest-mage) before tbc and that just continued in tbc. The tanking gear in tbc was expensive, but the guild loves it when there's someone taking one for the team. (The other locks loved it too, cause their dmg was higher in comparison haha.) Fire is definitely underrated...
In AV I used to spread my seed through the hills (spells could actually go through the rock) onto hordes of players...once one of them goes boom the rest follows. I would just devistate the incomming enemies
Hope u are joking. Hunter will be waay more popular, even mages and shadow priests. Warlock has never been the most popular class in WoW ever. In PvP, Rogues also will be way popular than locks.
I’m sure there is a hundered different comments saying this but currently on the warlock discord there is a lot of information out there saying fire lock will out preform shadow warlock! Just thought I’d mention it since the video said they wouldn’t be seen!
I played destro all through og tbc. Was consistently top dps, and outdid aff locks. Also very powerful in pvp. Destro being slept on by most guides out now.
idk if you covered it in the video but the worst part of warlock classic is competing for raid slots and treated like a redheaded stepchild. *UHG warlock pulled again UHG out of soulshards are you? UHG you want MORE than 3 warlocks? UHG you want mage gear? mage: why aren't you happy spending dkp on felheart and nemesis? its really cool looking pvp gear"* can't wait for mages to suck my toes now
You forgot to mention instant Aoe Fear in deep Affli. Pretty solid for Pvp. I always played lock as a main and was thinking about going this spec for arena. We'll see...
A lot of rerollers will be shocked about the PvP "Performance" of Warlocks....There is multiple things people forget. Even in Originall TBC Locks only Dominated Season 1 and 2 there is multiple reasons why it will be harder this time around. 1. Resilience changes .....in my opinion this never worked propper on privat servers and it is a huge nerf for locks 2. People will kill your pet in seconds (in Season 1 and 2 back in the day ppl would not even bother to touch ur pet) 3. EVERY Rogue will be Undead Horde side.... But there is also good news. 1. UA is still criminally underrated in PvP ,the dmg u do as UA lock is insane 2. Open world PvP ....unless it is an Undead Rouge with Preperation ready u do not need to worry at all...jsut turn your monitor on 30 seconds after u get attacked and you will be fine.
Fire is great spec to have opener in pvp but the incinerate and immolate scaling with haste is worse than shadowbolt and life tap doesn't receive extra mana if imp is sacrificed
I'm probably going to try fire destro anyway as I'm a bit sick of shadowbolt spamming after classic to see if there's really that much difference in practice.
"able to play deep affliction" TOPKEK. Yeah maybe when the expansion was first released but everyone knows now Destruction is the better spec so therefore it follows that affliction is dog excrement. it is going to be impossible for a casual player to convince a casual raid leader who watched "TOP BEST SPECS OF EVERY CLASS TBC ZOMGF. YOU WON'T GUESS NUMBER 7" videos on youtube that affliction is playable when every source you find says "destruction: BIG BOI SHADOWBOLT yes", "affliction: sad boy dots no".
Saying it isn’t better is like saying I myself did not kill 5 60s myself!! I love your videos but the lock played correctly is unbeatable! The end!! Perhaps your a lower player……..
Omg.. WillE where did you get that vid/clip at 13:09-13:20!? Dont tell me you were there haha! Eternal-Gathering was it, right? If my memory is right.. Damn now i got nostalgic for real..
You want 1 point in Shadow Embrace simply because it counts as another debuff which counts towards the amount of bonus healing you receive back from drainlife. going full affliction till 70 is the way to go, it should last you until you get some pvp gear to go SL SL spec. Affliction "seems" weak only doing 350-400 dmg per dot, but you have like 7 dots that are all hitting for that much. I didn't even pvp on mine when leveling and guys tried to duel me and i killed them ridiculously easy, instant 20 sec CD howl of terror is WAY BETTER than deathcoil, save deathcoil against a healer when it gets to 30-25% health and starts to cast a heal and you win.
Why do you place 1/5 talent points into improved corruption as demonology, but 5/5 as affliction? You say it's not worth spending more than 1 point due GCD, but then why place 4 more points into that talent as affliction?
which spec is best for lvling. I know felguard is best if u dont have gear cuz the pet has dmg doesnt scale up that much with much better gear so the shittier the gear the more % dmg the felguard does relative to your dmg woudl be alot higher. But if u have some nice sexy gear would aff be better with the slutcubus for solo lvling?
felguard not amazing for levlling in reality, SM/DS you have basically 0 downtime if you're geared. Of course if peopel enjoy idea of felguard go crazy, it's not as if its bad.
I have a feeling ppl on 3s will kill your pet. Season 2 and 3 warlocks are very good for pvp but 4 all melee class become strong I remember when I was played back then. Something coming my mind to ask what do you think about tir5 2 pic 15% heal pet for arena?
I just got a boosted warlock and built it to the destruction skill tree and I’m already regretting it lmao. Imma go back and redo it suck that it’s either demo or afflic.
I plan to play fire destro since all the SIMs I have seen say it is better till SWP, and even then it's very close. I will also be grabbing/making shadow gear for aoe.
*Timestamps!* Warlocks were my second fav class for TBC. This one time a higher level Paladin decided to gank me as Affliction in Arathi Highlands and it didn't go well for them, despite me being in combat with a mob too.
0:00 Intro
0:51 Warlock Overview
2:33 What's New?
5:38 Leveling
6:44 PVE - Demonology
9:20 PVE - Affliction
11:20 PVE - Destruction
15:05 PVP - Destruction
16:05 PVP - Affliction/Demonology
17:49 Tier Gear
19:19 Is it any better?
Not all hero's wear capes.
added - thanks again!
What was your first favorite class then
Melees in tbc: Dey took er jerbs!
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Great video ! Lock was my original childhood class main in cataclysm and came back for classic and leveled a hunter got him fully geared which I really ended up regretting and now I’m following my instincts of rolling my fav nostalgic class
Hey all!
Hope the video was a good one. I know I had already had a bit of fun at warriors expense in the warrior video but uuhhh.. originally I had done this one first, so I left the thing in at the start.
Also about the pvp remarks, im sure part of the calling it easy is my ongoing memories of playing a shadow priest in actual tbc and the amount of things you had to go right in order to beat an SL/SL lock whilst they literally could press 123 on their dots and win fairly easily. Maybe that was just me though!
You never talk about what counters the class in PvP. What do you take to punish warlocks?
Willie, thanks for the vid...pretty sure the meta demo spec is affliction based though, not destro
Nah WillE I agree with you. I entered TBC with a shadow priest and ended up rerolling to a hunter since I loved the pet management aspect of the class. My best friend at the time was a warlock. We knew each others account and passwords so we could play each other accounts if they were offline and were bored. I remember my buddy got hooked onto another game for a bit in TBC so I played his warlock a lot. And god damn, i felt like a PvP god whenever I played his lock. And i thought my BM hunter was OP meanwhile I remember easily being able to 2v1 people on my buddies lock easily in affliction or sl/sl. I even remember playing arenas with my lock buddy and would get pissed when he made simple mistakes, it came to the point where I knew his class better than he did.
I originally was thinking about rolling a warlock in classic with mostly TBC in mind but made a warrior since I barely played any melee classes in old WoW expansions. Rogue is to squishy and cooldown dependent for my tastes. Most likely will use that lvl 58 boost on a lock. Already leveled a warrior, hunter and mage to 60, don't have the desire or motivation to do it for another class.
My BC experience was in order 70 Mage, 70 Hunter, 70 Shaman then I got a 70 Warlock... then slapped myself for not playing one sooner... it was just so busted.
WillE: "I present, the warlock"
Me: "Nah, that's Nhym"
OMG i legit thought the same thing xD
whats nhym
Who? I know Nyhm but not Nnnhhymymm
Theres a name I havent heard in a long time.
No fear
dots are nerfed with
Resilience gear
Everyone’s a hunter
DeadZone disappear
And roflcopters
For the engineers
Never clicked so fast lol
Glad to see Nhym found work here in Will Es video
Early Congrats on 100k subs! :D
"is it any better now" yeah I wonder lol
This is good information to have, I'm hoping to have a computer that can run BC by the time it drops, and knowing what all changed between the versions will help with decision making if I get there...
Destro fire was great for pve, I was top of dps from start of tbc until Sunwell. There is actually a rotation! Immolation, incinerate and conflag. The base damage is actually higher than shadow bolt because you always had immolation up, only lapsing when you use conflag when it's about to expire. It also has a faster cast time, 2.25 vs 2
5. It was amazing with hit and crit gear. You could also get a mini buff from a herb in zangermarsh that increases your fire damage for 15 seconds. Seed of corruption is still op, and alot of encounters weren't aoe until later raids were released. Basically every boss is single damage. Everyone has this weird mindset that shadowbolt is bis
Slightly conditional because you need a fire mage to keep debuff stacks up, otherwise the Shadow Locks should surpass Fire.
That warrior looks just like me. I am personally offended by this.
I remember leveling lock is always affli with imp on passive.... and you just dot and fear everything that moves
Well I chose the right time to check my subscriptions tab, 1 minute gang let's goooo
Rolled a lock in classic JUST for this... can't wait
I also preleveled a warlock just for BC. People at the time were saying I was wasting my time because either BC wouldn't come or we weren't sure it would. Bet they feel stupid now.
You and 81% of the rest of the world
@@TWEEK0423 I mean, I still enjoy lock in classic vanilla, don't get me wrong.
human one too i presume? rogues will be sweating bullets
Hello brother! I did the same. I am ready!
Finally!! been waiting for this vid since you started this series
Asmongold will lose hairs watching the opening scene ;D
What hairs
Did someone say hair?
You have a great channel here man! So happy i found it.
I was expecting a 5 second video with WillE saying "yes."
"Is it any Better"...
It's literally a God!!!
I definitely went fire lock. 7/0/54 ftw. I did keep separate gear for fire resist boss fights, like that bird (?) for example (otherwise i'd use fire dmg belt etc). Another fun bit was 2v2 arena. It was a shadow priest and i, so the opponents would quickly pop into shadow resist gear...only to get killed by fire. The tanking was easy as a fire lock ofc. Always used to end up 3-manning scholo and stuff (lock-priest-mage) before tbc and that just continued in tbc. The tanking gear in tbc was expensive, but the guild loves it when there's someone taking one for the team. (The other locks loved it too, cause their dmg was higher in comparison haha.) Fire is definitely underrated...
"Is it even better now?" Oh yes, OH YES IT IS
Honestly willie I just love your voice ! You and Madseason just sound so great to me.
In AV I used to spread my seed through the hills (spells could actually go through the rock) onto hordes of players...once one of them goes boom the rest follows. I would just devistate the incomming enemies
still in game to this day, still you can cast spells on battleground through ground :D
@@wisniamw haha unbelievable xD
Uploaded during Karazhan testing /respect
Tons of new warlocks in starting zones lately. TBC is gonna be 90% warlocks lol.
Hope u are joking. Hunter will be waay more popular, even mages and shadow priests. Warlock has never been the most popular class in WoW ever. In PvP, Rogues also will be way popular than locks.
I’m sure there is a hundered different comments saying this but currently on the warlock discord there is a lot of information out there saying fire lock will out preform shadow warlock! Just thought I’d mention it since the video said they wouldn’t be seen!
I played destro all through og tbc. Was consistently top dps, and outdid aff locks. Also very powerful in pvp. Destro being slept on by most guides out now.
"13% more spell damage taken from pretty much all sources."
*Sad elemental shaman noises*
idk if you covered it in the video but the worst part of warlock classic is competing for raid slots and treated like a redheaded stepchild. *UHG warlock pulled again UHG out of soulshards are you? UHG you want MORE than 3 warlocks? UHG you want mage gear? mage: why aren't you happy spending dkp on felheart and nemesis? its really cool looking pvp gear"* can't wait for mages to suck my toes now
You forgot to mention instant Aoe Fear in deep Affli. Pretty solid for Pvp. I always played lock as a main and was thinking about going this spec for arena. We'll see...
You're limited in any spec that's not sl/sl. Melee classes will sit on you and destroy you.
Looked on PVE talents as Warlock and was like cool, I literaly do same thing as in classic, but this time Im gonna be TOP dps insted of worst
Hunters will dominate the recounts on most bosses anyway
I like how the Belf lock was identical in appearance to Nhym. Nice throwback.
I mean it’s a tier set
who is nhym
@@oct2119960 No shit, but he also chose the exact BE features nyhm had.
"They took my world buffs!" i though that was funny
I like doing big dmg 🤣🤣🤣 i was all out 🤣🤣🤣
A lot of rerollers will be shocked about the PvP "Performance" of Warlocks....There is multiple things people forget.
Even in Originall TBC Locks only Dominated Season 1 and 2 there is multiple reasons why it will be harder this time around.
1. Resilience changes .....in my opinion this never worked propper on privat servers and it is a huge nerf for locks
2. People will kill your pet in seconds (in Season 1 and 2 back in the day ppl would not even bother to touch ur pet)
3. EVERY Rogue will be Undead Horde side....
But there is also good news.
1. UA is still criminally underrated in PvP ,the dmg u do as UA lock is insane
2. Open world PvP ....unless it is an Undead Rouge with Preperation ready u do not need to worry at all...jsut turn your monitor on 30 seconds after u get attacked and you will be fine.
Fire is great spec to have opener in pvp but the incinerate and immolate scaling with haste is worse than shadowbolt and life tap doesn't receive extra mana if imp is sacrificed
I'm so glad you made the warlock look like Nyhm!
'Any better'
Insanely OP in both raids and PVP.
I'm probably going to try fire destro anyway as I'm a bit sick of shadowbolt spamming after classic to see if there's really that much difference in practice.
Hopefully I will have at least one class at 60 when tbc goes live.
Same bruv... Currently only lvl 28
play a mage trust
Nhym looking warlock
almost 100k subs :O
Is the Blood Elf modeled after Nyhm?
I was just thinking that. Ahh the good old days.
a bit yes lol, I was gonna do a gnome originally like my main, but I did that for the mage, so I decided to go throwback for nyhm instead
love the Nyhm reference!
Loving the content man, good job!
warlock are amazing tho, especially when theyre bald
Warlock specs are complete in wrath and much more fun
Asmon gonna be fuming about that warrior disrespect
No because he won't watch.
If you have a fire mage in your raid, fire destro will always do more dps than shadow destro, for the entirety of tbc.
*Frantically looks for gnome in introduction*
So the next video will be the best at the finish. nice.
i did your poll, hope you're earning some ca$h m8
Man..All of 3 lock spec look incredible in TBC. Can't wait to raid and do dungeons with my human female warlock
"created by Sephirothx"
now this is nostalgic, nice attention to detail.
i couldnt think of a better blood elf male name to fit the time period. Maybe I should have put some accents in there
So close!!!!! Happy preemptive 100K Subs! Congrats!
Willie Thank you for your great Vids really enjoy them. However, I have 2 questions for you 1. What add-ons are you using and 2 What UI ?
Hey wille great information as always, they did confirm the summoning change will NOT be in at launch.
Im so excited for TBC on the one hand... im really not looking forward to seeing that warlock overload infestation in arenas on the other 😂
I wonder how good the shadoweave set and 2 of the malefic set would be for farming you should be gaining a ton of health
Warlocks are beast in tbc, plus they have the most badass looking sets in the entire game
20:23 Hmmm, That blood elf looks alot like a certain Warcraft parody singer
"able to play deep affliction"
TOPKEK. Yeah maybe when the expansion was first released but everyone knows now Destruction is the better spec so therefore it follows that affliction is dog excrement.
it is going to be impossible for a casual player to convince a casual raid leader who watched "TOP BEST SPECS OF EVERY CLASS TBC ZOMGF. YOU WON'T GUESS NUMBER 7" videos on youtube that affliction is playable when every source you find says "destruction: BIG BOI SHADOWBOLT yes", "affliction: sad boy dots no".
Saying it isn’t better is like saying I myself did not kill 5 60s myself!! I love your videos but the lock played correctly is unbeatable! The end!! Perhaps your a lower player……..
I already see a ton of them. Sucks for us real warlocks
"warlocks are mushrooms" lol, a fellow world of roguecraft fan I see.
Omg.. WillE where did you get that vid/clip at 13:09-13:20!? Dont tell me you were there haha!
Eternal-Gathering was it, right? If my memory is right.. Damn now i got nostalgic for real..
Ready for my lock buddies
Soul Leech is kinda useless, yeah it can help but it just looks good on paper. I've played all the specs, but I will always be destruction.
And still so many warlocks complain about the hunter 1 shot macro smh! Warlocks dont even need a macro to be good
our 1 buttom macro is '2'
Mine's on 4
I have my shadowbolt on scroll
Just when I thought I was out.
You pulled me back in.
Great video! Can't wait to see hunter.
Here we go
i cant decide between mage hunter and warlock.
Thanks to Drakedog, I'll go deep Destro for PvP
I just watch these videos over and over again , just because i like them so much man !
Thanks
And I found the gnome again, feeling great 💪
The mage and the channel logo are not the hidden gnomes.
Hey, for the wrath video, tell everyone warlocks suck so I don’t have to roll as much 😉
Who said fire destro didn't take off? It's the best dps spec until Sunwell.
imp take less damage as its ranged so you can go demonology destruction instead succubus demo destruction if you want to go demo destruc
Guess who’s back
Back again
Nyhm is back
For the win
why does everyone hate on fire destro??? it's 100% viable and fun as hell to play
They'll find out. :)
@@Crix_Gaming
You want 1 point in Shadow Embrace simply because it counts as another debuff which counts towards the amount of bonus healing you receive back from drainlife. going full affliction till 70 is the way to go, it should last you until you get some pvp gear to go SL SL spec. Affliction "seems" weak only doing 350-400 dmg per dot, but you have like 7 dots that are all hitting for that much. I didn't even pvp on mine when leveling and guys tried to duel me and i killed them ridiculously easy, instant 20 sec CD howl of terror is WAY BETTER than deathcoil, save deathcoil against a healer when it gets to 30-25% health and starts to cast a heal and you win.
Is it possible to change demon name in tbc ? I think you can resummon them for a new random name, is that still possible ?
Why do you place 1/5 talent points into improved corruption as demonology, but 5/5 as affliction? You say it's not worth spending more than 1 point due GCD, but then why place 4 more points into that talent as affliction?
which spec is best for lvling. I know felguard is best if u dont have gear cuz the pet has dmg doesnt scale up that much with much better gear so the shittier the gear the more % dmg the felguard does relative to your dmg woudl be alot higher.
But if u have some nice sexy gear would aff be better with the slutcubus for solo lvling?
felguard not amazing for levlling in reality, SM/DS you have basically 0 downtime if you're geared. Of course if peopel enjoy idea of felguard go crazy, it's not as if its bad.
I have a feeling ppl on 3s will kill your pet. Season 2 and 3 warlocks are very good for pvp but 4 all melee class become strong I remember when I was played back then. Something coming my mind to ask what do you think about tir5 2 pic 15% heal pet for arena?
Saving the best for last i guess ;)
Looking forward to see in chat: Warlock, Hunter since classic, not reroller
Another Great Video *WiIIE*
best at aoe kinda wrong there bud prot pallys end and fury warrs are
what is that addon for DOTs (timer above their name)
No, it isn't, it actually sucks KEKW
I just got a boosted warlock and built it to the destruction skill tree and I’m already regretting it lmao. Imma go back and redo it suck that it’s either demo or afflic.
can u explain y u are getting improved immolate with the shadow destruction spec. Is it still worth to immolate and then spam shadow bolt?
Ah I get it now! that's why he was salty towards mages in the mage video, because he's a warlock main! The fued lives on. hahaha
Hmmm I definitely haven’t heard anyone mention the power of Warlocks in TBC, I better watch and like ! ;D
Feldoming a 2nd felhunter on top of your existing one will not refresh your cs, youll just feldom the exact same felhunter
For anyone who thinks warlock is boring, have you considered pressing Seed of Corruption?
Saving the best for last I see.
I plan to play fire destro since all the SIMs I have seen say it is better till SWP, and even then it's very close. I will also be grabbing/making shadow gear for aoe.
Its not better
And btw all warlock in raid should be eighter fire or shadow
@@stotysiecy916 go watch fierywind’s analysis
@@kachiga6582 i dont need his analysis im Just hardcore warlock pve Player in tbc
@@stotysiecy916 then you would know that talents change in 2.4.3 and fire destro is better for pre SWP