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The Lost Banjo-Kazooie 2D Platformer - Game History Secrets
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Today on Game History Secrets we talk about the lost Banjo-Kazooie platformer for the Nintendo Game Boy Color, which was planned to release as Banjo Kazooie: Grunty’s Curse.
Liam Robertson is a video game researcher and archiver. In his spare time, Liam creates videos and articles for various outlets, and will also be contributing to the Did You Know Gaming channel.
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I imagine grunty's curse concept closely to yooka and laylee and the imposible lair
Hell, Grunty's Revenge even reminds me of the top down portions of that game.
Do I even need to say that Yooka-Laylee was developed by people from Rare?
@@TheRezro I'm sure everyone who cares about Yooka-Laylee knows that.
Very unlikely as it was a Gameboy Color game; so basically a Nes game. Yes Games made for the Gameboy Color only and that didn't work on the Gameboy, were superior to Nes games but back then most Gameboy Color games were made to also work on the Gameboy and with that in mind, the hardware just wouldn't have been powerful enough.
I can't believe they used that font on official documents.
Ok I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought about how they used comic sans on official game concepts
Ha ha, yeah. But I remember, back in the '90s, Comic Sans didn't have the connotation that it does today. Most people didn't think of it as tacky yet; it was just something different. Very different from the serif fonts that people had been using for so long, so it seemed fun. It definitely looks funny now, though.
Being different or annoying people, either way sounds like something Rare would do.
They were internal documents after all, so they knew exactly who would and wouldn't be reading them.
And also on the game dialog subtitles...
@@LamanKnight when comic sans was made, anti-aliasing wasn't a thing. That's why it was very popular.
google "comic sans anti-aliasing"
Grunty changes her appearance each game as much as King K Rool did
It’s really a shame we have went so long without another Banjo game.
skankhunt 42 it might soon
2008 is pretty long alright
*have gone
Had the game came out on GBC, they should have called it Grunty's Bloody Curse or something with a b-word in the middle so it could share an acronym with the GBC
Maybe Grunty's Bad Curse
Not a bad idea.
Grunty's boulder curse
@@baboiminionbaboi4822 ok that one is better
Grunty's bitch curse
12:25 I would have figured Banjo was referencing the game over scene from the first game.
Bonjo?
like Bonjovi?
M3GA Music BonJovi Kazooie
Careful with what you say, he may bon you.
The first "Bonjo" got me pretty good, lol
Woah oh.. living as a bearrrr
The craziest thing is thar Sakurai even acknowledged this game and Banjo Pilot on the Nintendo Direct that talked about him.
God Gruntys Revenge was fantastic for what it was. Wish I had my copy of it still
Grunty's Revenge was such an underrated game. For a platformer game made for the GBA, it was very good
Nice video Liam! Interestingly I seem to remember Bozzeye's sprite/animation files being named "Grampa Mole" during the game's development. One thing I'd like to add was the permanent struggle with the limited cartridge size, leading to limits on the amount of graphics heavy content that could fit in, especially when you consider every frame of every character's animation needed to be pre-rendered + saved in multiple directions (5 directions, 3 of which would be mirrored, to give 8 directions).
PS. Nice one using the modded / colour corrected DKC GBA footage :)
I think I know how Grunty's Revenge ties into the middle of Kazooie and Tooie.
When Grunty's soul went into the robot, the husk of Grunty was still there. When Grunty was revived by her sisters, the body was just alive without a soul.
I hope Rare is behind scenes, planning on capitalizing on Banjo's recent boost in popularity. I'd love to see a remake trilogy released, containing Banjo-Kazooie, Grunty's Revenge, and Banjo-Tooie.
We will only get Nuts & Bolts 2
Especially after the success of sales and positive reception from the remade trilogies of Crash & Spyro.
I wouldn't be surprised if we did see a remake or the sort.
Not even the same people from the 90s.
The game boy one really had a lot of potential
It had the looks of an 8 bit cartoonish game
MultiTarded what the fuck does psychopath have anything to do with this
That said I also love the finished product
@MultiTarded Here i'll fix it
Lets take a moment to appreciate that all the text in the game and in development documents is in Comic Sans
After seeing yooka-laylee the impossible lair, I’m convinced a side scroller banjo kazooie can work.
I reckon it would. But is there enough of original Rare left at modern Rare for them to pull off a worthy "Banjo-Kazooie Country"? I'm not so sure, but I would love to be proven wrong.
I think it should've went that route after N&B, and even if Banjo's successor, Yooka, did it first, I'd still be welcome to the idea of them doing a side scroller, all they have to do is add their own twist to the DKCR/YLIL formula.
@@xscythe67 Given Kazooie's weaponized usage of eggs, they could probably have the twist be a little Contra-esque with one of the abilities. Needless to say, she could shoot eggs in all 8 directions.
Even Impossible Lair has overhead overworld sections similar to Gruntys Revenge. Its like a blend between the two
Now come to think of this, yooka laylee impossible layer’s hub world is like the gameplay of grunty’s revenge. Neat
1:04 The comic sans font, huh
Yeesh, I had a bit of a -bad- hard time reading it
Puns like this...
_SHOULD BE BURNING IN HELL_
ruclips.net/video/VjB1HEYo7g0/видео.html
@MultiTarded *what is undertard*
@MultiTarded edgy
@MultiTarded it's a childish preschool font and people have hated it long before Undertale came around.
I would have loved this I love the Banjo series. I hope they do something with it maybe a remake with modern graphics like crash and spyro
Banjo is my first game series, it hold a special place in my heart. That being said it's my birthday so thanks!!!!
I would have loved that idea of Robo-Grunty having her own Kazooie-esque partner. I'm always a big fan of fighting characters that are able to sort of match your own types of attacks. This was a really fun video, dude. Keep up the good work!
So much potential the bear and bird could have had for a long-running franchise.
I love how open Rare is with their past projects.
Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Curse was a concept designed for Game Boy Color
(C) 1999 Nintendo and Raceware, Inc. All Rights Reserved
The more I find on this franchise the more I'm sad. It could have gone on so much longer and been great to this day.
Speaking of 2D platformers based on 3D collectable characters, please check out
Yooka Laylee and the Impossible Lair!
It's an amazing 2D platformer with great music, tons of unique levels and a great overworld. The animation are beautiful and the
collectables are worth collecting! It's an absolute blast!
Or just check out the game because it's the only one that knows how to make good water levels!
Great, now I gotta go dig out my GBA SP and play Gruntys Revenge.
11:51 -- so what about Castlevania 3: Dracula's Curse
It already had Dracula. Pretty sure they figured it was a lost cause if they wanted to avoid offending the overly conservative parents
Castlevania is much darker than Banjo
Rare didn't make Castlevania 3: Dracula's Curse and Castelvania is all about that stuff.
@@LiamRproductions right... but Konami used Curse in the game title and it still sold well. I'm sure the other games listed by others still sold decently
adventureoflinkmk2 Not the same, both are different series. Banjo Kazoie is more kid friendly so marketing wise words like curse aren’t the most appropriate.
Yay. Another reupload/repeat of a similar Grunty’s Curse video.
0:06 I’m sorry..... *BUNJO* ?
It’s a joke, guys...
I like that nod to the original game shown at the end of the video. I was unaware of Grunty's Curse back when I played Grunty's Revenge.
For a second I thought this was didn’tyou knowvideogames? for a second.
... Did they really type their entire design document in comic sans?
There's nothing wrong with Comic Sans
@@GabePuratekuta
www.buzzfeed.com/sophiegadd/absolutely-beautiful-examples-of-comic-sans-in-the-wild
There is such a thing as a time and place to use Comic Sans. Inside the game of Banjo Kazooie? Yeah, sounds good. But in a Banjo Kazooie game design document??? You want a cleaner font for a lengthy read.
Not even my own opinion, it's long been a consensus that it's very unprofessional looking given certain contexts and not very comfortable to read at length compared to a more standard sans serifs font.
You know for as interesting as 2D Banjo could've been, I think it was cooler to see a pseudo 3D Banjo on GBA with less content than a 2D Banjo on GBC with more content.
I've heard of grunty's curse before. Interesting upload though.
Yes, I broke the story on it several years ago. This video has a lot more info.
I know this video's been up for weeks now, and this info wouldn't be new regardless, because of how old Banjo-Tooie is, but that "ruins in the jungle" level and the "icy furnace" level were both later used in Tooie. I found it odd this video didn't mention that.
Poor Tooty was never seen again
I can't believe an official project document is written in fucking Comic Sans
Microsoft single-handedly destroyed the Banjo series.
Microsoft had nothing to do with it, most of Rare's original staff had already left by the time they purchased them.
It was practically a new team, we were never going to get a game just like the old ones.
That's simply not true. They one-handedley destroyed Banjo, Nintendo was the other hand that didn't buy Rare when they had the chance.
@@danceswithmetroids162
So what is the truth then? According to past interviews Microsoft was very supportive and gave them a lot of creative freedom. So are we blaming them for meddling too much, or too little now?
Have you ever considered the possibility that Nintendo saw the writing on the wall and figured Rare wasn't worth fighting for?
I'm not going to crap on new Rare, but they clearly aren't on the same level as old Rare.
It’s was rare did it
Not Microsoft
0:13 is that project DREAM?
Half Project Dream/half Banjo Kazooie beta.
I guess you can say it's Project Dream transitioning into Banjo Kazooie.
@@awesomejacketdude awesome! Is some where I can see more about that?
@@ashthedragon In Rare's "Rare Replay" for Xbox One they have a special features of the old developers from the Banjo-Kazooie team talking about the development of "Project Dream" and how it became Banjo-Kazooie.
Or you can type into RUclips's search bar and type "Project Dream". You'll bound to find some results of the beta of "Project Dream" as well.
A better concept than what happened, the time travel stuff we got is kinda wonky honestly.
Imagine if Rare was told by Microsoft to remake Grunty's Curse for Switch? Or Project Scarlet? Maybe having a Banjo Replay on Switch with Banjo Kazooie, Tooie, Nuts And Bolts, Grunty's Curse, Grunty's Revenge and Banjo Threeia? Or even adding Banjo Pilot and Diddy Kong Racing to it? That would have also a great reason to bring back Stop And Swap. Doing it between GBC, GBA, DS, N64, 360 and a new title would be epic, even having Xbox achievements earned using the switch version?
That won’t happen
And nuts and bolts is threeie
What the hell is a bonjoe?
Rareware wanted to make great games. Even if it is not in the form they dreamed of they still found a way to get it onto a Nintendo system.
They still great games on non Nintendo consoles
You just haven’t played any of them
The design documents have an elementary school's fall 1998 newsletter vibe.
my all time favorite video game characters and franchise. It’s nice to learn more about this gba game.
YOU DIDNT START WITH: "DID YOU KNOW!?" :(
It's not in the main DYKG series
An industrial level and jungle Aztec level would have been cool :)
Fiery furnace... Hmmm... Isn't that a level in DKC2?
I remember about Banjo-Kazooie Grunty's Revenge and also that was pretty cool when Banjo-Kazooie Grunty's Curse was brought up although I don't think that there was any known gameplay footage of the GBC game.
The game never came out of the concept stage.
@@X2011racer So that's why
So the plan to bring Gruntilda back to the world is awfully similar to the one to bring Alphonse back. Did Rare just ripped off Fullmetal Alchemist?
I honestly kind of like ideas of the time traveling and the witch possessing a giant mecha suit...It's very creative...It's to bad that they didn't do it! 🤷♀️
Great video,but there's a weird transition at 5:46.
There are more cancelled banjo games for example banjo x and banjo three
I really loved the GBA games, I think this would've been fantastic.
Guh-Huh!
Gruntilda ( *Mecha* ) has to advent to the Spirit Board.
TCRF has an early beta.
nice to hear about this after so long
Of course the GDD was written in comic sans :D
For GBA-standards, Grunty's Revenge was a neat game. Short, but sweet.
It’s a bit of a shame we never got this
1:56 Cars. It was meant to include cars!!
Cars...? CARS?? CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS?!?!?
This is an awesome video, was not aware of all this
Edit: and i appreciate all your efforts to reach out to the 2- decades- lost development team to get this information to your viewers. Props
Funny, I always thought that maybe this game had been rushed, turns out it was the exact opposite.
Every time this man says BONJO, the more infuriated I become.
Had this game.
Never could beat the final boss fight.
Oh man, I love Bancho Kazoie!
Man tootie being a teenager and going on her own adventure would be cool
1:04 *Comic Sans*
"Bonjo-Kazooie" That's it's name now.
Factor 5 is gonna... factor in somehow.
This should be interesting
This timeline seems messed up... hold up... Banjo-Kazooie Grunty's Revenge on GBA was revealed prior to Donkey Kong Country on the GBA, in fact, Grunty's Revenge on GBA was revealed while Rare was still with Nintendo, meanwhile DKC GBA was after they were purchased by Microsoft. I'm going to assume DKC GBA was an error, and you or the source actually meant DKC on the GBC.
gruntys revenge was an amazing game
Who here knows about the OTHER lost Banjo game? It's hidden on the original Banjo and Kazooie website and is unfortunately nearly impossible to play due to the file type.... The game is only called "game8" and because I've never managed to get it working I don't know what the game looks like.
What type of file is it?
@@AUM_-po9sc ".dcr" apparently you can open it with an Adobe program that doesn't exist anymore
@@NintendoFlashShorts , from what I can read -this format is TIFF - related, so you either need a good graphic redactor with the support of RAW photo type files, or kind of a special software.
As for the program, that doesn't exist - I think it still could be somewhere on the Internet.
@@AUM_-po9sc the ".dcr" file type is only readable by Adobe Shockwave and Adobe Director, both programs where recently discontinued I can't find any way to gain access to those programs so far.
@@NintendoFlashShorts , they were discontinued not that long ago, so their versions should be somewhere on torrents or some links on forums...
Seeing those documents written in Comic Sans made me question their legitimacy lol.
So a British company though Americans would have a problem with a game with "Curse" in the title...
Let's not tell AntDude that. I think his head will explode.
The only curse here is comic Sans.
1:45 comic sans....
>bawnjo
off to a good start already
I wonder if this is why the Impossible Lair went the 2D route?
No it wasn’t
The thumbnail looks like something straight from a nightmare
that document was in COMIC SANS
It was rare that made it
5:27 Kazooie looks like her blue color swap in Smash bros.
This was the only banjo kazooie game I owned.
who tf is Bonjo
"Blind as a bat" instead of, y'know...
Ayyy
Did he just say Bonjo Kazooie!? 🙃
Wait... Who the fuck is Bonjo?
That thumbnail creeps me out for some reason 😂
I'm hyped for this
6:28 sans at top of screen
Nobody:
Liam: *bonjo*
The original Bohnjo-Kahzooie
6:27 That skull at the top looks weirdly like sans.
Watch this game be found like south park for the gbc
So many corn balls in this comment thread
Goddamn I love me some banjo and some kazooie
Bahnjo?
Bonjo?