Flashy Techniques 3 - Showcasing HEMA
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2017
- These aren't your high percentile, bread and butter techniques. No, some techniques can get quite outlandish. Hosts Sean Franklin and Nicole Smith demonstrate some more Flashy Techniques across multiple weapons: Longsword, Rapier, Dagger, Sword and Buckler, and Messer!
Swords used:
Longswords - Szymon Chlebowski
Rapiers - Sean's (Custom Thibault Castille), Nicole's (Darkwood)
Single Hand - SGT Blades
Daggers - Purpleheart Armoury Wooden rondel
Messer - Ensifer
Buckler - Cold Steel
Wepa Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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1:56 that cheeky, smug smile... Lol
the manual says its mandatory
All it needs now is to have a lens flair over his eyes.
The last technique appears as if you'd have a better chance executing it by accident, rather than intentionally.
That last one is hilarious. I love when masters try to prove how great they are by making up new techniques to reinvent the wheel
Andrew Eriksson nice reply but I was definitely referring to the masters who wrote it down in the manual hundreds of years ago. Is releasing your hilt and slicing their throat with their elbow a technique that was worth writing down because it was so effective, or because they wanted to be remembered as the master who made up that one weird neck slicer technique?
Maybe they just wanted to show off by making readers think "wow, this guy can actually do that?"
Would make sense considering how expensive it was to print a book back then, would have to make their investors think they picked the right guy for the job.
Lecküchner himself wrote in the foreword of his 1482 treatise:
"...who wants to fight well with the knife, should learn the proper art and adhere to the art and technique shown below. In this way, one can stand with the rightful art in front of the lords and have greater reward than the masters who do not know these things and cannot execute them"
So there's definitely an element of showing off in the treatise. Like the famous backgammon technique.
And some people say there's no place for flashy sword techniques in movies. Those people are just using the wrong techniques.
This is the truest thing I've learnt about film choreography from HEMA.
It's not like they have to stick with nonsense to look good on screen, the average stage fighting is awful, and there's plenty of legitimate techniques that look incredibly good on screen.
Just cycling through some plays at mid-speed would be slow enough for the audience to follow, and fancy enough to be tasty for the eyes,
That last one looks like a discarded idea for a Mortal Combat fatality.
I hope you guys don't mind me sharing my opinion over this. And I do so with the utmost respect for you guys and your channel.
I can't say that looks like an accurate Rose play. It looks like you were going for the second Stuck from Mittelhut. The problem though is this: The sword doesn't circle around your opponent's extended sword like the text says to do. After completing such a circle, your sword should come back to your right side before you take his sword out with the short edge.
I wouldn't raise the issue if the text left more room for interpretation, as in the last Stuck from Tag. But in this case, the text was pretty explicit. I know you guys are very capable fencers in your own right. It just looks like you might need a bit of getting used to the differences between the earlier Liechtenauer sources and Meyer's Art of Combat.
Much respect, guys.
That Leckuchner move looks like it came from a video game.
loving the Mjolnir
The messer move is a "show" technique in Leckuchner. It's not intended to be practical, just a cool thing to show people.
I wish I could sit in and watch.. I'd love to use you guys as reference for my animations
that neck pin....
That neck pin is glorious. All the internet points to the first swotdsman that can pull it off in a sparring match!
You guys are amazing
This is one of the edgiest fetish videos I've seen on youtube in a while. Bravo.
What would be the advantage of the last move over something more simple such as cutting under the arm or striking the head with the short edge? Not that I don't think it's cool as hell xD It's just hard to imagine being applied at full speed.
Honestly?
Who knows. The last one is definitely moved a little past "flashy" and straight into absurdity. It looks impressive though!
I can only a guess that it's an example of a pacifying technique. If you have a guy who is very agressive (which makes techniques like that even feasible), but not very skilled, and you don't want to kill him, this is one of the ways you could finish the fight. Also maybe Leckucher just wanted to show a fancy move to make himself look good.
lol it is that, it reminds me of the oni... ah crap I'm rusty.. a move in ninjutsu where the arm is locked like that. Was pretty neat to see it done with a sword :) I'd love to see it done in a choreographed fight.
I have a theory that a lot of some of the absurd techniques in manuals are just jammed in there to show off or just to fuck with people.
There's probably also a fair bit of hubris involved.
I would consider Fiore's technique of trapping the opponent's sword under your foot to be one of them.
Most of Fiore feels like an extended flex
which manual is the last technique from
I feel like the spin move is not unreasonable. Turning your back to your foe is not always a sin, we do it a lot in judo in order to perform a hip or shoulder throw. All you need to do it is some hours of drill, experience attempting to do it against someone who resists, and to be "inside their guard"; (as it, don't spin if the other guy can just stab/slash/punch/kick you). In this technique, you're both inside each other's guard. Assuming no dagger is involved the spin can be a perfectly viable way to balance control on the other's blade and shortening your stance. I could even see that going into a full body tackle where the rapier becomes a short of short spear.
Only, I'd be tempted to actually grab the blade in my left hand (during the bind), and to thrust down (ox position), rather than up.
The consequences of getting hit in the back with a sword are a lot more brutal than getting hit in the back with a fist...
And a rapier can still cut. Just because you're behind the tip doesn't mean you're safe.
Is there absolutely any chance to pull the sword to neck submission in a tournament? Has anyone even tried?
Alpha PHENIX Instant legend status for the person who pulls it off in a competition.
The last technique seems a bit iffy to pull off successfully.
Edit: Wait, if you've gotten underneath your opponent's guard, why don't you just stab them?
They could probably make a dozen of these videos solely from Lecküchner's Messer work. They're hard to pull off but not impossible, although many of them are quite unsafe in friendly sparring at they involve a lot of arm locks and other things that could seriously injure your partner.
Lecküchner himself did not necessarily want to injure or kill his opponents either; his works contain plenty of non-lethal options for ending a fight. Why go through the mess of killing someone when you can just disarm them and tie them in knots, or shove them into a sack (yes, he does show exactly that in his manuscript)?
How does the last one even work???
Somebody probably pulled that off accidentally and guy writing book/master who ordered book loved it so much that he put it there.
You should also show that technique of disarming your opponent, taking him down and lock himself on the ground with his own sword by Leckuchner lol
Play some Backgammon?
I thought there are no spin moves! :O
Now I am nowhere on the level that you folks are, but what I use some of these flashy techniques? No I usually don't turn my back on my opponent it's very dangerous
I enjoy these but several of them look like more "movie" moves than something that's gonna work against someone with decent reaction time and some skills. Both of you might get them to work against ME but against a similarly experienced artist? Bread and butter works.
That's the point though. From the video description - "These aren't your high percentile, bread and butter techniques. No, some techniques can get quite outlandish."
What better way to lose a real fight than any of the above.
Hence "Flashy teqniques" not "useful teqniques"
The Rose (first technique) is an awesome move in tournaments. Very few people know it let alone use it and most people therefore don't know how to defend against it.
yes im sure all those masters taught these moves so their pupils would lose and they wouldnt be hired anymore...
Apocalyptic Knights this first one could work