Who have the Faceless Men Killed?

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @joshuamoyer8342
    @joshuamoyer8342 Год назад +375

    For me it's felt like all the juice had been squeezed out of ASOIAF theory videos for a long time and we needed Winds before I cared again, but you keep coming up with interesting topics. Good work 🙂

    • @MesaperProductions
      @MesaperProductions Год назад +20

      Robert does good work.

    • @laurencote5949
      @laurencote5949 Год назад +2

      I agree completely, great analogy!

    • @virtuerse
      @virtuerse 10 месяцев назад +10

      Not only that, but the guy has an incredible voice. I would listen to his audiobooks for hours.

    • @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
      @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 9 месяцев назад +4

      We have squeezed our the juice, we are now making new sauces, and experimenting with the skin of the fruit. But this will only last us for another 5 years at best if new books arent released.

    • @CharmagnCody-mw6zr
      @CharmagnCody-mw6zr 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@virtuerseI completely agree

  • @bshaddo
    @bshaddo Год назад +130

    “Whom.” - Stannis Baratheon.

  • @StrongHamr
    @StrongHamr Год назад +66

    I'm glad you're still making videos about the Song. Many have stopped, including Alt Shift X. There's just not much more that can be explored when GRRM still won't write Winds or Dream

    • @dummbobqqqqq
      @dummbobqqqqq Год назад +16

      He did not stop. Also he is doing livestreams about it.

  • @Jen7867
    @Jen7867 Год назад +73

    I love this series, Wonderful work as always, Robert. Thank you! 🙂

  • @Raye938
    @Raye938 Год назад +44

    I think it's very possible the woman screaming from the tent was a faceless man, not all the assassinations were made to look like random accidents, some seemed related to a situation at hand.
    For example, if having it look like a woman killed him and fled then onlookers might assume it was personal between them but if he died accidentally then they might think assassination was the cause and whomever purchased his death might not want it to look like he was assassinated by faceless men.

  • @emrek99205
    @emrek99205 Год назад +121

    You forgot the most tragic of all the assassinations: the death of the GoT TV show.
    You might blame natural causes. The low of ratings. The lack of source material. The inability of the show writers David and Dan. The staff at HBO throwing more money to CGI than lighting.
    Whatever the assumption, it is all wrong. It was Fox News who paid the Faceless Men to bring down the entire medieval fantasy genre. GoT was just one of many including Legend of the Seeker, Wheel of Time and in the future, Rings of Power.

    • @hi-ls6lt
      @hi-ls6lt Год назад +6

      Since when did GOT have low ratings

    • @Paslayas
      @Paslayas Год назад +1

      I propose that Martin hired the Faceless Men to end GoT.

    • @davidwells4903
      @davidwells4903 8 месяцев назад

      They are filming season 3 of WOT as we speak😊q

    • @emrek99205
      @emrek99205 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@davidwells4903 Rafe the Darkfriend killed that series years ago.

    • @martyuscalgar
      @martyuscalgar 5 месяцев назад

      I haven't thought about legend of the seeker in over a decade lol, what a show.

  • @EthanR-wi7tm
    @EthanR-wi7tm Год назад +8

    I always found it possible that the Faceless Men did in Maegor the Cruel. There are other explanations, certainly. But I think plenty of people wanted him dead badly enough to see it done, not just other Targaryens either. And the death felt like the right level of suspicious.

  • @Valkanna.Nublet
    @Valkanna.Nublet Год назад +11

    "No more subtle assassins were known to exist".
    That alone rules them out for one of the Rogare deaths, there is nothing subtle at all about sinking a whole whip and killing all those on board.
    And the Faceless Men have made pains in other places that only the target should be killed, no one else.

  • @bryanrhodes369
    @bryanrhodes369 Год назад +30

    Faceless men are assassins but not all assassins are faceless men

    • @martinkerr2721
      @martinkerr2721 6 месяцев назад +1

      mmmmmmmmm read that on google lol

  • @TNRaven89
    @TNRaven89 Год назад +19

    Just wanna say thanks for your vids man. They are one of the few bright spots in my life these days. Your voice and the ASoIaF world are amazing. I feel right when I’m listening to these lord videos. Keep up the good work man and again thanks. Wish he would hurry up with the rest of the books before he or I expire.

  • @UnleashthePhury
    @UnleashthePhury Год назад +17

    The Name of the Wind/Wise Man’s Fear would be an excellent source of material for Robert.

  • @kobarsos82
    @kobarsos82 Год назад +11

    Its insane how many details are hidden in Martin books for the faceless men, how they operate, for how many deaths they may had a hand in and how many more individuals Arya met in the house of black and white and in her journeys. Sad we merely got a small part of that, during the tv series. And tbh in the series, it was not even evident that faceless men commonly make kills look like accidents.

  • @daniell1483
    @daniell1483 Год назад +51

    I don't think the Faceless Men killed the Rogares. The Kindly Man gives Arya specific instructions when she performs her first assassination: kill her target, and him ALONE. The pleasure barge sinking is sure to have killed the target, but it also would have caused huge collateral damage. I think it is probable that the brother who choked on bacon could have been a hit, but his brother? Absolutely not. It goes against one of the few restrictions Faceless Men place upon themselves. So there may have been a hit in process or something, but fate got to the other Rogare brother first.

    • @Mathemagical55
      @Mathemagical55 Год назад +20

      There's no reason to assume sinking the royal barge would have caused other casualties. Lysandro may have been travelling alone apart from the boatmen who could doubtless all swim. A Faceless Man might well have been present to ensure that Lysandro drowned while everyone else swam to safety.

    • @pyropulseIXXI
      @pyropulseIXXI Год назад +9

      @@Mathemagical55 That is just absurd; wtf kind of rationalization is this?

    • @daniell1483
      @daniell1483 Год назад +4

      @@pyropulseIXXI I was thinking the same thing.

    • @denissavgir2881
      @denissavgir2881 Год назад +2

      ​@@Mathemagical55how far would they have to swim?

    • @AlexBB77
      @AlexBB77 Год назад +14

      It probably depends on the exact mission or training exercise in Arya's case , i don't think there is a strict / definitive one kill per mission rule with the FM. For the right price i am sure they are willing to do multiple kills and assume collateral damage. More / excess death I am not sure would be something they would be massively against given the FM's central beliefs. Plus the Doom for example , if they were hired to cause that (which very likely seems the case) was a mass casualty , mass collateral damage event. With Arya i think was more about testing her discipline and obedience following orders and instruction(s) in that instance. Also, not looking like foul play at work or that the FM were responsible is pretty much exactly how they operate.

  • @laurawilliams7782
    @laurawilliams7782 Год назад +28

    I'm enjoying this series. I'm not sure what their endgame will be, but i think the spy/information gatherer part of their group will be just as important - if not more so - than the assassination part.
    I'd also love a reveal of some side character as a faceless man - there have to be more than just Jaqen running around, but I'm not sure what the best use for that would be

    • @conordempsey8854
      @conordempsey8854 Год назад +12

      Hot Pie deep undercover waiting for the right people to pass through his inn

  • @L00n3y2010
    @L00n3y2010 Год назад +132

    I have alot of Assassin's Creed vibes watching all those faceless men images

    • @allthatishere
      @allthatishere Год назад +32

      Well, that's because some of the images *ARE* Assassin's Creed.
      Like the image at 0:39, that's AC 1 and 2.

    • @SKRRTCOBAIN00
      @SKRRTCOBAIN00 Год назад +2

      @@allthatisherelol🤣🤣🤣

    • @p_campbell
      @p_campbell Год назад +1

      Sounds familiar, looks familiar

    • @dummbobqqqqq
      @dummbobqqqqq Год назад +1

      Only that AC are edgy wannabe assassins 🤡

    • @p_campbell
      @p_campbell Год назад +6

      @@dummbobqqqqq geez have a nice Saturday

  • @bockskarr6626
    @bockskarr6626 Год назад +1

    Thanks Robert!!! Love your uploads and insight!! This faceless men series is awesome!!

  • @jgr7487
    @jgr7487 Год назад +11

    The Faceless allowing Arya to kill those in ger list couldn't be them answering her prayer?

  • @WhenIsItUs
    @WhenIsItUs Год назад +14

    I really wonder how much they charge. I feel like it must be an incredible, bankrupting amount due to how rarely they are used for high profile targets.

    • @musicsoul4037
      @musicsoul4037 Год назад +3

      often than not they wont ask for money in return but they can also ask for the life of your beloved

    • @seanmarkham6965
      @seanmarkham6965 Год назад +7

      It’s not necessarily money

    • @WhenIsItUs
      @WhenIsItUs Год назад +4

      I would really love to see one of these exchanges written out, where they buyer is willing to pay any amount money but the price is not what they think

    • @davidwells4903
      @davidwells4903 8 месяцев назад +3

      Well the only clue I have, from the book, season 1. One of the richest men in westeros, lord littlefinger who is so good with finances that he is the master of coin for the king. During a small council meeting, the king and council are currently planning a huge tourney to celebrate the new hand.
      It is revealed the tourney going to cost a fortune, and that the crown is broke and in debt. They are fretting over word coming that a Targarian is premiers with another future claimant to the thrown. It is asked why not simply hire faceless men to deal with her and littlefinger scoffs as if the idea is insane. He immediately squashes the idea saying cost is out of their reach (while not batting an eye at spending 80,000 in gold for a party

    • @calebbarnhouse496
      @calebbarnhouse496 4 месяца назад +2

      It's noted that the more difficult and more important a person is the more the pay is, so it's always going to be based on how important the death is for you, a poor man with almost nothing will be more desperate for the brigands that robbed him and killed his family to die then Robert was to kill Danny

  • @Dwoods91
    @Dwoods91 Год назад +6

    I've finished a Game of Thrones and am about to finish reading a clash of Kings, so it's so great seeing you upload these types of videos.

    • @Lexxir
      @Lexxir Год назад +6

      Enjoy storm of swords, incredible high point of the series

  • @Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales
    @Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales Год назад +2

    Engagement comment for the algorithm 😁 Thank you for the video. It was fun.

  • @TinaMae_AyeTheOriginal
    @TinaMae_AyeTheOriginal 6 месяцев назад

    I Appreciate your channel 👍 Thank you for continuing to post ASOIAF content. Some people like myself never really became interested until the GOT series ended, so your channel has become essential for me to understand the universe and get updated. GREAT WORK

  • @user-op6kt8pg9y
    @user-op6kt8pg9y Год назад +4

    This was a great series on my favourite religion in asoiaf thank you

  • @innyjones4753
    @innyjones4753 Год назад +8

    Dear in Deep Geek. You probably don't know, but thanks to you my daughter sleeps. Since she was 3 years of age (she's now 5) you're voice is the only thing that will calm her at night and send her to sleep. She calls them Gandalf stories but she loves your videos. She even says at the start of the video "Hello everyone im Robert and welcome to in deep geek."
    And she even asked me about the blue wizards the other day. So yeah, thank you, for sending my kid to sleep and for all the knowledge you have given us both. 🤟

  • @joshuakarr-BibleMan
    @joshuakarr-BibleMan Год назад +5

    I had assumed the Ironborn was killed by his successor.

    • @michaelbayer5094
      @michaelbayer5094 Год назад +2

      That's the show. I'm assuming that the narrator is drawing only on the books. And he reads more closely than I do (or did). If the new book ever comes out, I'll need to re-read.

  • @AndrewK23777
    @AndrewK23777 Год назад +11

    Great vid as always IDG. The FM kill count is quite high , the Doom the most numerous and emphatic by seemingly a very long way. But between those who come to the House of B&W wanting death and all their hired missions / assassinations ; many of which so skillfully done not usually obviously detectable the FM were responsible or any foul play at all for that matter. The FM have quite the kill count as a result. And due to the exorbitant cost to hire them their assassinations are often quite influential. As we've seen in the main series with the likes of Balon & others and even certain prior acts attributed to them like the Doom etc. We get our closest glimpses of the FM in action mostly from Arya's pov and by her own hand with likely much more to come in that respect. Will be interesting to see which influential killings will be the FM's work in the remaining ASoIaF books or at least our best guesses if they were or not.
    Also, with these many hired assassinations (with more to come) i think its a point of confusion that some conflate what the FM are hired to do vs their own plans or being more keen or complicit beyond simply being hired. Very much not the case imo and think their own overarching plans / M.O. are vastly different than what they are hired to do.

    • @a.a677
      @a.a677 Год назад

      the Doom cause isn't confirmed

    • @AndrewK23777
      @AndrewK23777 Год назад +1

      @@a.a677 not confirmed but heavily implied the FM were involved / likely hired to do so. Most prevalent Doom theories include the FM involvement. More dispute about exactly who hired them. But yes not 100% confirmed cause , involvement etc ; which may or may not ever be totally clarified.

  • @janwel74
    @janwel74 Год назад +14

    It is plausible that Raff the Sweetling’s assassination was actually an assignment and not Arya going rogue.
    If somebody wanted to ruffle some feathers with Cersei’s hand visit to Braavos and the Iron Bank, one guard disappearing with a (disturbingly) young girl and a lot of blood found later in her room would certainly cause it.
    Needless to say, if Arya’s assignment was to mud the waters with such a ruse, she would have jumped with glee at the opportunity to scratch one name of her list, but the chapter is not conclusive that she did it all only on her own volition. She may have been following orders and have the good luck to find the most suitable victim in the Westerosi entourage.

    • @dirrdevil
      @dirrdevil 10 месяцев назад

      Or Arya did do it out of her own volition without foreknowledge, but the House of Black & White knew the circumstances and set it up to happen. It's putting a wild animal in an a tense situation: it's going to bite.

    • @janwel74
      @janwel74 10 месяцев назад

      @@dirrdevil mayyyyybe...? I think it would be unnecessarily complicated and against their own rules. Faceless men are supposed to not take jobs relating people they know (hence why everybody insist they know their names, to make sure they won’t come after them later!). If the FM knew about her personal animosity towards him, wouldn’t they assign the job to literally any other FM?
      Besides, would the FM know that one random guard in the Hand’s enourage and Arya have crossed paths before and she harbors such hatred for him? They know much but are not omniscient. If they just staged the encounter in the hopes she would snap at the precise time and in the precise way they wanted it to happen, why not simply make the assignment and the way it should happen clear?

  • @neilhatton1612
    @neilhatton1612 Год назад

    Great series of videos drawing out one of the strands of GofT. Not sure how much of it is going to match the final draft but it’s going to be fun finding out.

  • @Katerine459
    @Katerine459 Год назад +4

    Little tangent, but _why_ wouldn't Euron do the deed himself? He certainly doesn't appear to have any heart or conscience left, so it probably isn't that.
    How he paid doesn't seem to be much of an issue; the FM always struck me as being less concerned about the fee, than they are about the fee actually being a sacrifice for the one paying it. If we were talking US currency, they'd probably take $100 from somebody who's struggling to make ends meet, but not settle for less than 3/4 of a billionare's total net worth and future worth.

  • @sunnyfrank4812
    @sunnyfrank4812 Год назад +1

    love your videos. where do you get your still pictures. The artwork is fantastic

  • @eric2500
    @eric2500 Год назад +5

    It's not about who they killed - it is all about who they might have killed.
    That's how they can get their prices.

  • @Daydy377
    @Daydy377 Год назад +5

    Imagine if Arya's final test is killing a resurrected Jon snow, since resurrection is blasphemy to the God of many faces.💀

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Год назад +2

      She would fail with flying colours ..
      Honestly, if those books end without arya and jon embracing at least once, i'll go see george!!!
      (Maybe they both live out their lives inside their direwolves and restart a pack...)

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs 10 месяцев назад

      What if she has to deal with Lady Stoneheart though? I think that might be even more interesting.

  • @Raphaeldo3
    @Raphaeldo3 Год назад

    I see all your got videos. and forever will! ❤

  • @deenafrederick322
    @deenafrederick322 Год назад +2

    What the f@#%'s a Lomy...? 😂 Great video as always Robert

  • @jonathanyaloussa
    @jonathanyaloussa Год назад +9

    Unrelated question, but, Robert, would you ever cover the Dune saga?

    • @kristensamek767
      @kristensamek767 Год назад +4

      I would love that! I'm new to the Dune Series, but would love some in-depth looks into the world.

  • @samuelleask1132
    @samuelleask1132 Год назад

    Great video!

  • @magnusnilsson1962
    @magnusnilsson1962 Год назад

    A great video. Thankyou.

  • @loganpeters7543
    @loganpeters7543 Год назад

    I LOVE IT. Thank you, Robert.

  • @PainfullySubjective
    @PainfullySubjective 5 месяцев назад +1

    awesome vid

  • @ellaphx
    @ellaphx Год назад +4

    I just love your videos Robert! Thank you for posting.

  • @clarencerichmondjr8609
    @clarencerichmondjr8609 9 месяцев назад +1

    “ I deamt of a man without a face , waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung” shit gave me the chills , the faceless men are a scary lot

  • @MJG72a
    @MJG72a Год назад

    Stunning.

  • @madridforever933
    @madridforever933 Год назад

    dam i really miss those years of watching GOT and it being the talk of the town. Wish I could go back to 2011 and experience the entire journey again.

  • @only_fair23
    @only_fair23 9 месяцев назад +1

    If Euron really did pay using a dragon egg, is it possible that, since the return of the dragons, they are trying to collect the dragon eggs to prevent the dragons full return?

  • @Seraphim_Belisarius
    @Seraphim_Belisarius Год назад +3

    I think they killed Maegor as well.

  • @SamButler22
    @SamButler22 Год назад +3

    To be fair, drinking from the waters of Blackpool could kill you

  • @stephanwatson7902
    @stephanwatson7902 11 месяцев назад +1

    10:58 Whoa that just made sense! I bet he did pay the Faceless men with a dragon egg, that's why he said he threw it into the sea; because he had his brother thrown off the bridge for it

  • @dfailsthemost
    @dfailsthemost Год назад +2

    It could be that The Faceless Men will end up just being the sword of the Iron Bank. Might be that they just use the religion as a front. But who knows?

  • @clarencerichmondjr8609
    @clarencerichmondjr8609 9 месяцев назад

    Dude I love your terrifying voice , its like watching cold case files for asoiaf

  • @morganleanderblake678
    @morganleanderblake678 Год назад +8

    What about Prince Baelor in the Hedge Knight? I've wondered if his helm was deliberately set up to kill him. There are also some reasons in the story he might have been got out of the way. The mention of Pate always hit me.

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 Год назад +1

      Interesting 🤔

    • @mattmorales4320
      @mattmorales4320 Год назад +6

      I think it’s unlikely the helm would have been deliberately set up to kill him. Remember, it wasn’t his own helm, as he had not planned to fight. So nobody would have been planning to sabotage his armor. He was inspired by Dunk’s cause, and so he borrowed his sons armor to fight. Part of the issue was likely that the armor was just not truly fit to him

    • @Z0mb3hHunt3r
      @Z0mb3hHunt3r Год назад +2

      @@mattmorales4320 All the Knights own their own arms and armor, horses, in GoT lore, as at tournaments they ransom it as collateral, losers in bouts have to buy it back from winners.

    • @renanlima4083
      @renanlima4083 Год назад +3

      @@Z0mb3hHunt3r But prince baelor was using his sons armor. A faceless man killing him is interesting, i think its more likely someone messing with maekars mind.

    • @Z0mb3hHunt3r
      @Z0mb3hHunt3r Год назад +2

      @@renanlima4083 Maekar's mind was protecting him from trauma. That's what i mean, Why would they tamper with His son's helm? Only Baelor and his squire(s) would know if he brought armor, too little time to plot. It was tight fitting armor with Maekar's Mace?/Morning star? that killed Baelor, the helm fit so tight it kept him alive/intact for a short time. Maekar was in shock/disbelief which is a real common reaction to abnormal becoming reality, like accidents, etc. He even is quoted to have consciously attacked Baelor, circumstance was just he thought it wasn't fatal, as he held firm till Dunk awoke and removed his protective gear that held him together. Remember that GRRM likes inserting reality.

  • @undefined40
    @undefined40 Год назад +1

    "Whom"!

  • @Zomboo
    @Zomboo Год назад +1

    2:43 the Faceless Men would play out the actions of the person they have become. The woman running out and screaming could have been one, playing the role out in full.

  • @hankogle6858
    @hankogle6858 Год назад +1

    Seems like the Faceless men and the Iron bank are one in the same. Almost like different departments of the same company. They are to secretive to have clients without a go between. Also the fact that the Iron bank doesn’t seem to worry about collecting debts

    • @fiver-hoo
      @fiver-hoo 11 месяцев назад +1

      I've come to the same conclusion, and don't see it brought up often enough. When I do see it discussed it's usually dismissed by many. There is gobs of evidence. More than I can post in a youtube comment.

    • @JohnDoe-vy6ju
      @JohnDoe-vy6ju 4 месяца назад +1

      Don't think they're officially one and the same deep down, but they don't necessarily need to be. IIRC they've both been around as long as Braavos itself. They know each other. As such, they've probably had a "one hand washes the other" close working relationship for centuries. Building Braavos up in power and prestige, together. If nothing else it makes a lot of sense that the Iron Bank, needing to establish and enforce an iron-clad "pay us back, or else" reputation, would regularly hand over "delinquent accounts" to the Faceless Men for "debt collection". And those deaths need not be made to look accidental. Might even be preferable if they're obvious.
      Iron Bank. Iron Coin. Iron Price?

  • @HeatherHolt
    @HeatherHolt Год назад +1

    This is why I don’t understand why (on the show) the Waif would have tried to kill Arya by stabbing her in the gut in the street and chasing her thru the street… 😂 it was just way too ridiculous. Also how do they change their height? Their hand color? How was Arya as tall as Walder Frey lol she’s like two feet tall.
    I know the answer to most of these, the show didn’t know what to do once they got past the books but still man, people got paid to write that for HBO.
    Shame. Shame. 🛎️

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Год назад

      Height and girth: magic!
      I guess faceless magic is a mix of bloodmagic and glamour!
      As for the chase scene: i guess it has to with mediums.
      In a book, the paranoia of suspecting everyone can be thrilling, but on the tv, that would be boring as f...
      So they thought of something more "action heavy" without considering how it fits into the lore..
      That happens quite a lot in tv adaptations..

  • @eric2500
    @eric2500 9 месяцев назад +1

    Why can't I read comments that go beyond four lines of text anymore?

  • @MosHighChadro
    @MosHighChadro Год назад +5

    Shout out to Assassin's Creed.
    They need to make a "Song of Ice and Fire" game that plays like Mortal Kombat 😂
    Just imagine playing as Jaime vs Ned, or Rheagar vs Robbert B, or even John Snow vs Robb Stark?
    Who wouldn't want to see Joffrey get beat down? Arya vs Brienne? Theon vs Ramsey or Sir Barristan vs Grey Worm, or Euron vs Daario Naharis?
    The possibilities are endless!

  • @aaronginsberg4993
    @aaronginsberg4993 Год назад +2

    I guess you don't buy the Hardhome as trial run for Valyria theory.

  • @Allienator
    @Allienator Год назад +1

    If an assassin did what we expected they wouldn’t be much of an assassin

  • @kerbalkerman6827
    @kerbalkerman6827 Год назад

    this was a cool series.

  • @Srynan
    @Srynan Год назад +1

    Hmm - I never saw a video 20 sec after upload :O

  • @samacadaniel6
    @samacadaniel6 5 месяцев назад

    @indeepgeek your mention to have addressed the letter written from dorne to Aegon in another video. Can you please mention which video?

  • @BelowTheGold
    @BelowTheGold 7 месяцев назад

    Responsible for the doom of Valyria it’s self? Interesting theory. Very interesting indeed

  • @eoghanclark165
    @eoghanclark165 7 месяцев назад

    Where is the vid about the letter to Aegon that made peace with Dorne? :o

  • @Artoooooo
    @Artoooooo Год назад

    I am sure this theory is already out there somewhere; does the example of Pate mean that the FM have likely killed many other people who were not targets but helped them get close to a target? What other killings do you think that could that have meant?

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Год назад +1

      Difficult to say, since those ppl would not been registered as dead...
      I mean, they continue their lives as the person, then probably leave in unsuspicious ways..
      Plus, those would probably usually be "small folk" people..servants, novices, slaves, whores...people who no one will miss if they leave..

  • @kingtarly499
    @kingtarly499 Год назад

    “Histories may not listen to mushroom but what does a fool have to hide”

  • @jimboslice6367
    @jimboslice6367 Год назад +7

    The Faceless Men are a Deus Ex Machina. They are there whenever Martin needs them

    • @pyropulseIXXI
      @pyropulseIXXI Год назад

      The entire story is there when he needs it to be there. Also, that isn't what a deus ex machina is

    • @jimboslice6367
      @jimboslice6367 Год назад +2

      @@pyropulseIXXI yes it is. He can use the faceless men at anytime to kill anyone

    • @pyropulseIXXI
      @pyropulseIXXI Год назад

      @@jimboslice6367 That isn't what a deus ex machina is. A deus ex machina literally comes out of nowhere to 'save the day.' There is no prior establishment
      The faceless men are an in-universe established 'cult' that can change faces and specializes in assassination and infiltration. He also has rules for how they work, such as paying a high price, relative to the 'client,' in order for a job to be taken on. Balon was assassinated, and it cost Euron a 'dragon egg'.'
      That is in no way a 'deus ex machina.'
      Your definition fits for literally anything to be a dues ex machina, because an author can make anything happen since they are the ones writing the story

  • @thewandering01
    @thewandering01 5 месяцев назад

    Surprised there wasn't even a mention of Maegor the Cruel, even if only to say you disagree.

  • @vvmm9430
    @vvmm9430 Год назад +2

    What about Maegor?

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Год назад +2

      Bit sloppy for faceless men standarts..
      On the other hand some ppl did blame the throne, so maybe still fine ..

  • @apstrike
    @apstrike Год назад

    It wouldn't be good tradecraft for Jacen to infiltrate the Iron Islands wearing The Alchemist's face and then go to Old Town. Indeed, he would have journeyed from the Riverlands to Pyke, and then Old Town. Sure, his movements are unlikely to be tracked, but his character would be more paranoid than that, and he took a risk changing in front of Arya.

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Год назад +1

      No one said he can't have changed back again for his trip to the iron islands..
      And yeah, it was a risk to change in front of Arya, but he wanted to recruit her, so a bit of bragging was helpful..

  • @junsinatra1443
    @junsinatra1443 Год назад

    Can you make a video on edrick storm i think hes got a big part to play in the ASOIF

  • @thegreenmanofnorwich
    @thegreenmanofnorwich Год назад +1

    I wonder if Lyanna or Rhaegar were secretly killed by faceless men. Probably not, but anyone could be.

    • @_jpg
      @_jpg 9 месяцев назад

      I doubt it. Robert was going to face Rhaegar in battle sooner or later anyway, so why would someone pay an exorbitant price to assassinate him? (Apart from that Robert killed him in the Battle of the Trident, not some assassin.)
      And who would have an interest in killing Lyanna?

  • @MuhammadDanyalKhan
    @MuhammadDanyalKhan Год назад

    I like the use of assassins creed posters :P "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted :P"

  • @EveOfChaos
    @EveOfChaos Год назад

    the most tragic thing here is the use of ai art

  • @piusdoe8984
    @piusdoe8984 Год назад +1

    We work in the dark to serve the light -faceless men probably

  • @KTempestBradford
    @KTempestBradford Год назад

    In the histories and lore animations that were extras on the blu-rays, Euron admits to purposefully losing to Stannis during the Greyjoy Rebellion. I believe those videos are show canon, and include book canon, but is everything in them book canon? And does that tie into this thing with Euron killing his brother?

    • @herbthompson8937
      @herbthompson8937 10 месяцев назад

      That's def not canon....Euron wasn't in charge of any battles. He planned one attack and that was it. Victarion is the brother that lost the battle to Stannis....

  • @ivorv5063
    @ivorv5063 Год назад +1

    Luthor tyrell is said to die in a horse accident, but why or who would beneffit? Idk, it just seems suspicious

    • @michaelbayer5094
      @michaelbayer5094 Год назад +3

      Lady Olenna. She got rid of the clod, and got to run the House.

    • @hi-ls6lt
      @hi-ls6lt Год назад

      @@michaelbayer5094he was an oaf anyway, I suspect she was helping run it since being married to him.

  • @DrankenDune
    @DrankenDune Год назад +1

    In the show specifically…. Euron did definitely kill Balon personally right? Or am I dumb

    • @majorpwner241
      @majorpwner241 Год назад

      Lol... Euron. Sounds like Urine. This whole series feels like such a knock-off LOTR/fantasy world.

    • @DrankenDune
      @DrankenDune Год назад

      @@majorpwner241 you should go read lotr again then :) I don’t think this is for you

  • @jenny_of_oldstones3523
    @jenny_of_oldstones3523 11 месяцев назад

    I'd like to see what their opinion of Euron???

  • @redwoodelf5678
    @redwoodelf5678 Год назад

    Do you think the alchemist that killed Pate the pig boy was a faceless man? I'm not sure if they would kill someone merely as a means to an ends.

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Год назад

      They killed people as means to an end when recruiting Arya.
      And Jaqen, while working for the lannisters probably killed people to keep his cover..
      So, i guess it is quite possible.
      Also if you look at the faces they have in their posession don't all seem to be targets or suicide victims (who would kill a beggar girl, and if she were to have died due to the pool, why would her last memory be fear?)

  • @Paslayas
    @Paslayas Год назад

    Hmmm. If 'they' had hired the Faceless Men to kill the Danny and her brother, then GoT would have been a very different world ...

  • @newenglandrider3189
    @newenglandrider3189 Год назад

    Are you using Assassin Creed screen grabs in this vid bro?

  • @QQleKK
    @QQleKK Год назад +2

    7:17 What the fuck's a lommie?

  • @gothamwarrior
    @gothamwarrior Год назад

    Can you do The Hobbit from Bilbo's perspective?

  • @youngoutlaw5150
    @youngoutlaw5150 Год назад

    If I have to guess the reason they’re so popular is because they have killed men with faces, and then they borrowed it

  • @FlyWithMe_666
    @FlyWithMe_666 Год назад +1

    They also killed Ned Stark, but we’ll never know.

  • @MeeloTheBoy
    @MeeloTheBoy Год назад +1

    They killed Maegor

  • @guibox3
    @guibox3 Год назад

    A little off topic but anyone else utterly disappointed in the casting and portrayal of Euron in Game of Thrones? Not even remotely like the character I envisioned in the books.

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Год назад

      Agreed..
      But if they were to depict all his crazy shenanigans they would have needed to add another season.
      So i guess they just took the beats that were important, which i assume will be: taking a dragon from dany (not by death i assume, but the dragonhorn)

  • @1512125
    @1512125 Год назад

    Man why does the thumbnail guy look like the giga ass captain from Band of Brothers?

  • @dimitardimitroff9763
    @dimitardimitroff9763 Год назад

    I love the Faceless Men; they are so badass.

  • @steveozone4910
    @steveozone4910 Год назад +2

    Hopefully the shows writers?

  • @alexmartin3143
    @alexmartin3143 Год назад

    Why dey destroy Valyria?

  • @mikelambsworld4368
    @mikelambsworld4368 2 месяца назад

    He's there to study

  • @-hackzzz-7282
    @-hackzzz-7282 Год назад

    Faceless men do kind of remind me of assassin’s creed

  • @BenGuardian
    @BenGuardian 7 месяцев назад +1

    Is some of the art here AI generated out of curiosity?

  • @billick6589
    @billick6589 Год назад +1

    What about the theory that Robert Baratheon was killed by the Faceless Men?

    • @MrMythul
      @MrMythul Год назад +4

      He wasn't. Circe literally admits to it.
      Jaquen however was likely hired to kill Ned if he wasn't executed.

    • @simoneriksson8329
      @simoneriksson8329 Год назад +2

      A faceless man wearing the face of a boar or what?

    • @nickdentoom1173
      @nickdentoom1173 Год назад +1

      @@MrMythul I feel like Jaquen was hired to kill Syrio Forel, but Meryn Trant did the deed for him.

    • @MrMythul
      @MrMythul Год назад

      @@nickdentoom1173 why place himself in the black cells? Why start heading north with the knights watch?
      Syrio forrel was long dead once jaquen had been introduced.
      Your theory does have some merit however. We know he was the 1st sword of the sea Lord of bravos because of how he "saw things"
      He was able to see the cat. To us. The story doesn't sound like anything special, however, if the cat had some form of magical illusion over it, syrio being able to see the cat would be important.
      To me very clearly little finger hired them to kill. Ned, in case Joffrey didn't. He even talks about the specific prices for hiring them earlier in the book

  • @Darthdoodoo
    @Darthdoodoo 8 месяцев назад

    Imagine what they are doing these days 😮

  • @sankarkrishnan407
    @sankarkrishnan407 Год назад

    Faceless men are the real opponents of Valyria.

  • @c9fan
    @c9fan 8 месяцев назад

    do you think that a hbo would ever cover the origin of the faceless men with a series it would be pretty horrible story like horrible as in evil and horrifying the reality of those volcano mines and they could also show the destruction of Valyria ( I really just want to see a continent get blown off the fucking map really not the whole slaves arc we can imagine how that looked tbh but how did the fall happen that should be the main focus all the things that needed to happen etc WHO THEY REALLY WERE at least the first slave

  • @aidanrock8719
    @aidanrock8719 3 месяца назад

    these bogeyed AI portraits are crazy

  • @magister343
    @magister343 Год назад

    *Whom

  • @Marjoss1
    @Marjoss1 Год назад +1

    In so deep I’m about to geek 🥵