Lapis BASIC UNIT GUIDE! Maddening
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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2023
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In this video I outline how to use Lapis on Maddening in terms of classes, upgrades, passives, etc.
This guide is aimed at the early/midgame. I will be making an advanced guide that covers emblem rings and endgame unit builds. 
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The recognizable design and color scheme of her armor feels like a hint from the devs to FE vets that she needs to be put on wyvern knight.
you’ve got by far the best and most informative engage content out right now. like I’ve learned more from you than every other fire emblem creator combine, keep up the good work!
Thanks m8 :)
Warrior lapis instant reclass is probably one of my best units on my current maddening run. Extreme favouritism and giving her exp early though so its hard to be objective about how good she actually is. Warrior is just a cracked class overall and her massive 55% personal speed growth with the 15% from warrior added on accentuates its strengths. Can recommended fellow Lapis enjoyers try it out
Wyvern or Warrior will buff up her damage output while still letting her maintain a high enough Spd for doubles and avoid.
Could you do us a favor? It would be great if you could put the growth rates on screen for each character and class too if you want. I think you might be able to add that to existing videos if you'd be okay with it. Thanks for the great content!
This nigga is allergic to editing and scripting, he voice good and he know what he talkin bout tho.
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Appreciate the numbers breakdown for more consistent analysis. Accidentally deleted my ch 20 save when I started a concurrent run. Not even mad since your guides have me wanting to try things out and do it differently. Thanks man!
I think Lapis makes a fantastic bonded shield abuser as a paladin or griffon knight. If you stack her avoid high enough enemies start ignoring her, giving her the freedom to spam Bonded Shield while in the middle of the enemy formation. This can be devastating when paired with a glass cannon like Anna/Ivy.
I just solo'd half of chapter 17 with Ivy by doing exactly this. I do have to scout/snipe high hit enemies for to get most of the strategy.
Ivy glass canon?
ivy is not a glass cannon...
Lapis with a silver dagger on my Maddening run always doubled the enemy, i just make Lapis a wolf knight as she hard carries on that, but more of a supportive dodge tank build.
Personally, I don't think running Hero is, "giving up," at all. Lapis has arguably one of the best combination of attributes to run Hero and the Hero class fixes almost all her major issues. Hero gives her the same bonus to Strength as Halberdier without the weird boost to Magic. She doesn't need as much Dex since Hero Lapis doesn't go hard for Crits, and her speed will still be pretty high allowing her to double enemies reliably and avoid enemy doubles. She'll also get a nice Res boost on Hero which will let her tank Mages moderately well while retaliating back with either Spears or Forged Javelins. If you play into Lapis' passive you can basically make her a hybrid between a Swordmaster and a Hero as she'll dodge pretty regularly.
In terms of weapons for a Hero build, I like forged Javelins for a ranged option that she can reliably double with, forged Steel Swords or a forged Folkvangr (it's powerful but light weight), and forged Steel Lances or a forged Fensalir (for the same reason). In the early game I like running Emblem Roy or Emblem Leif on her to help with Strength and Build respectively. In the mid-game, Lyn works on like everyone and Dual Assist from Lucina gives her so much utility.
If you do have the DLC, the Edelgard bracelet works really well with Hero Lapis because it gives her a ton of strength, a good amount of dexterity which can help make crit weapons more viable, and a solid amount of defense which helps with surviving hits that she doesn't dodge.
I do think Wyvern Knight on Lapis can also be really good, but to me, Wyvern Knight vs Hero Lapis comes down to the rest of your team composition. If you want to run a Dive heavy team and use Lapis, then go Wyvern Knight. If you'd rather run a more backup heavy comp that makes the most out of say Timerra's and Diamant's unique classes (Picket and Successuer) then go Hero. I think both can be made to be pretty darn viable.
Literally will fight bears for you.
Different route: I made Lapis into a thief in my maddening run. She was an excellent mage killer with high avoid once she dove in and killed the enemy mage. She has lots of supports with a lot of great characters. The higher mt from daggers + engrave with an energy drop patches her low strength. If paired with emblem Leif with higher build and dagger proficiency with canter+ is amazing. She can wield heavy daggers with no penalty and crit with the 1 range daggers. Plus Leif covert has chance of 1,000 gold on quadruple hit. So even more value!
Honestly, I only try to run her because her color scheme is amazing.
swordmaster lapis with lyn ring is pretty good. just beat chapter 19 and she's still my 2nd strongest unit (behind panette, who is in a league all her own). high avoid that gets passed to your doubles means she can usually hold down an entire area for 3 turns solo, and her ridiculous speed means she'll double almost everything in the game. gave mine speedtaker so she snowballs every map and eventually can double almost everything with brave sword as well, despite the weight.
that said, I do remember giving her some energy drops, so I did end up giving her some investment. she definitely can 1round enemies early on though, if you master seal her right away. though I feel like that kinda applies to most units.
I'd love to see an explicit "slotting this unit in" rating in future episodes. A lot of units have better versions (Lapis --> Kagetsu) that come later, but they're not there right away. It might be neat to see what you think of a unit's immediate utility for beating up enemies to set of kills for your real carries. You did this already for Louis mentioning he's S tier early game, and I'm curious what you think of Lapis - I didn't keep using her but I found her very useful on her join chapter.
Don’t compare lapis and kagetsu, compare her to Chloe
I've been waiting for this one lol
How far ahead is Chloe level wise when Lapis joins if you're maximizing exp? Earliest I've seen her hit level 10 is post ch8. If Lapis is like 2 levels behind, I think thats fine because the early game is the easiest part of the game and she can be caught up fairly easily.
On the topic of hp, i dont find that to be a huge issue when hp tonics give +5
On my current run, I reclassed her into Warrior and she popped off immediately. I also have the dlc so with Edelgard axe prof I got her into hero for ch8 which gives her better str and hp making her slightly better for that chapter. So it was ch9, when I had Lief that she went warrior. Tbf the dlc can change everything about the early game. The paralogues give a ridiculous amount of exp and I had multiple units hit the Ivy trio base internal level (17) by the time they joined. Lapis has slightly worse stats than Kagetsu but also has canter. Every unit takes some exp investment early game tho, so even without DLC, once Lapis comes on line, she is just barely under units like Alear and Chloe imo.
I'm currently running an Avoid focus Lapis in my current run, and I stuck her in Hero because I have a strategy in mind for chain attack spamming the late game Zephia and Griss fight (because good lord does that woman have a lot of HP for something that has that much mobility and damage). So far it's worked out decently, I used her first 500 SP to get her Sword Agility on Marth, and when I get Erika she'll use whatever SP she's acquired to get Lance avoid. The -20 to crit doesn't really matter since the main point of her in this run is to be able to stay close to the front line for chain attack procs without immediately dying. It's not super viable for endgame, but the only thing I've had to invest in her is a decent lance (which I can pass to another unit once her usefulness is up) and a master seal, which since I have Anna running at top efficiency for gold farming isn't a concern. That being said, while this strategy works, if you want Lapis as an endgame unit, defo take her into Wyvern or Warrior to fix her bad build/strength and get her access to a weapon type that doesn't hit like a wet noodle when she uses them. I love Lapis as a character, but it's hard to justify running her on maddening when it requires a lot of investment to make her decently strong, sadly :[
Lapis has been my main Griffyn Knight right now! Given how heavy lances are, strong swords don't get weighed down as much for Griffyn Knights
Lapis issue is she comes after Chloe, unless DLC most likely wont get canter pre ch 11 unlike how Chloe can already putting her behind. On chapter 11 you get speed demon Kagetsu with high bases and chapter after you get Fogado who comes with a huge head start a lot of SP and similar growths. Overall only benefit I can see for Lapis is if you really want another Griffin Knight early game but I think Fogado on Paladin or Wyvern Knight is better with the high amount of staff units you should have.
Biggest takeaway is that running Lapis is pure upside.
Pink Hair Meta???
Her design is pretty killer. Pink and red is awesome
She's my best unit in the entire game and an unstoppable carry now. Diamant comes close though, as do Ivy and Louis. I went hard on building her as a Hero after she grew on me during the Brodia story. The speed is insane and the strength is still good enough to handle anything in her way. It is definitely due to personal preference, though.
Its the lovely 'taters lady! I Wonder if she would work as a sword general?
Lapis does have bad crit synergy and is a high personal preference character. Due to the way I personally play and restriction I use she goes into Hero class.
At the beginning she has Iron to Steel sword, Ring alternates depending what chapter, and typically runs no skills except what rings giver her.
At end game Maddening she has Brave Sword, Marth Ring, Lunar Brace+, and Alacrity+ or Avoid+30. HEAVY investment also have access to dlc. Seeing her hit 4 to 8(if broken) for 20x4 damage and dodging damage is just fun and in my opinion worth it.
I ran her halberdier and then their and she fit thief sooooooo well with her pref skill, she even still has high crit usually over 20
I have not tried it yet but I am planning on using her as a Sniper. This will give her 70% HP, 40% STR, 65% DEX & SPEED, and 45% DEF. This is similar with Wyvern Rider but Sniper gives a big boost to DEX which I feel is her weakest stat that she will need besides STR.
I don’t use Lapis, but I would assume that she could do decently with Camilla. The extra movement is pretty decent, but the real benefit here is Camilla Axe and Bolt Axe. Camilla Axe gives +10 Res and increases damage dealt by target Res-Def, making her a decent enough mage killer while Bolt Axe gives access to the only magic 2 range axe. The benefit here can be made even better assuming you go Sword/Lance Wyvern Knight, giving you full control of the weapon triangle, allowing you to break any target besides bosses or armors.
I kind of went all in on the evasion tank/ hero path. I leveled her up with Lucina to get Dual Assist and then used a few extra points for evasion from Marth. I fought with a silver sword that had an evasion engrave on it.
While I felt like this should have been good in theory, I think I was cursed or something because Lapis wasted so many of my time crystal charges dying to attacks that had 10-20 percent accuracy.
Shes the best non covert unit dodge tank imo her best use is a slim sword and a engraving for dodge and then she can pull enemies with killer weapons and hlthey won't have any chance to crit her
She popped off for me with warrior Eirika with some fixing. Will call her low-medium investment. Definitely better things but she does do well if you’re smart with it. She doesn’t require speed fixing at all which is nice. Just damage fixing which I don’t find too difficult
She's not great but she's fun. Ended with 191 kills and MVP of 11 fights. Alacrity with her insane speed made counters less of an issue. I will never betray our Potato Princess
lapis as thief, no master seal, change immediately, works well with her passive in cover, doubles everything, helps her build since daggers are light.
I made her an avoid tank flyer. Added build 3+ with an S rank Alm ring for windsweeper
I went Wolf Knight Lapis and she's my Lucina "support". She's still one rounding mages/archers, and near 100% dodging axes/armors. She's pretty resilient, and arguably my 2nd best unit so far at chap. 20. I Had to invest a bit however (2 energy drops). If I can get her up to Lunar Brace I'm pretty sure she'll be slaughtering everything in sight.
Sounds like a fun build :)
Lapis's personal skill has great synergy with avoid tanks like zelkov and also pairs well with alcryst. I don't think she is an awful unit. I find diamant to be really bad whenever i use him. His unique class has low dex growth and he has low personal dex growth when he has a dex % trigger class skill. Only one that overshadows her is probably kagetsu but kagetsu is probably the best physical unit in the game. I think if you had a swordmaster kagetsu next to a lapis it would also heavily buff kagetsu. I also agree she doesn't ever pop off hard compared to other choices. Hero is good if you use her as an avoid tank to always get strong chain attack follow ups from brave assist. Also wyvern knight just seems to be king of the classes in this game which is like how wyvern lord dominated 3 houses for the most part. IS really likes flier classes in fe given how fliers are always broken it seems.
As a filthy casual, I didn't notice her passive at all.... made her a wyvern (sword and lance), gave her Navarre's S ring, and watched her dodge and destroy with folkvangr and a spear and.. uh... a Levin sword lol
If you see this. Did you have to make 3 classes lvl10 to make her a wyvern? I’m asking because I saw sword/Lance/axe cavalier lvl10?
@@SigfridX7 you just need the proficiencies from the emblem rings
My lapis on griffin knight was insanely busted. Highest base stats of any units and got close to 50 speed. Paired her with byleth and with Luin she just runs over any unit
I ran swordmaster Lapis with Lunar Brace and she became my best unit in both of my runs after chapter 12 (she was already one of my better units before Lunar Brace). I Think she takes a while to get started and Kagetsu does overshadow her once you get him but if you try to make her work she's definitely worth it imo
what difficulty were you on?
3000sp is steep
Make Lapis a wolf knight and give her silver dagger micaiah's engrave, it turns her into an insane dodge tank and wolf's knight passive is one of the better class passives with the -2 movement to help slow down the enemy advance.
An upgraded silver dagger has very high base damage which goes well with high speed characters like Lapis, same applies to Merrin, and they both have character passives that give them extra hit/avoid, but Lapis is a lot easier to both use and not use in scenario where you want full 0% chance to not get hit and just have very low chance to get hit so that maddening enemies will actually attack you so you can apply poison stacks.
Also, chain attacks from daggers, as long as the dagger actually hits the target, will still apply poison stacks so wolf knights are the best corrin ring users.
My Lapis was immediately promoted and turned into wolf knight as soon as i got a second seal, was a hard carry through out my maddening run. (Also, Panette is an insane unit, insta hard carry as soon as you get her as a warrior (if you use the DLC ring as well) you can corrin engrave a brave axe and camilla engrave a killer bow to give both +30% crit rate and give Panette Lyn's ring for her very high strength and allowing her to not only double, but with a killer-brave axe can 4x attacks before the enemy can attack at all guaranteeing at least 1 crit every time and the kill.)
Question. Did you have to get sword/lance/axe cavalier all to lvl10 to be able to make her into a wolf knight?
@@SigfridX7 she starts at level 10 so master seal her into second seal
just get her dagger proficiency from micaiah which is also your engrave for the extra dodge
Hero isn't really giving up on her, it's playing to her biggest strength. All she needs is a Master Seal, Leif Bond rank 2 and 400 EXP to unlock 20% damage whenever anyone attacks and she's within 1-2. She's the lowest investment unit to get there, no second seal required so no dipping into limited early funds. Her stats and SP pool have a hard time competing for a combat slot but this allows her to fill a niche where her stats don't really matter at all and she's contributing to everyone else.
With that same logic though, anybody could be a low investment Hero. It's not really playing into any of Lapis' "strengths". I like Lapis as much as the next guy, but at some point, we have to admit that Lapis is not a strong unit (unless RNG blesses you). Anything Lapis can do, someone else can likely do it better, sadly.
@@demariogoss9732 everyone else needs a 2nd seal to go into hero, they may also need leveling up and end having worse stats or be par with lapis.
10/1 Hero: Str/Spd/Bld
Lapis: 14/15/7
Bouch: 11/14/10
Etie: 15/13/7
Louie: 15/12/8.95
Alfred 13/12/7
Jean: 12/15/7
Alear: 12/15/7.95
Chloe: 12/16/8
Alcryst: 12/14/8
@@zate5355 This example seems good on paper, but this is when hp/def/res start coming into play. Lapis attack stats mean jack squat if she can't one round and survive/avoid the counter hit without dying, nor be in any remotely dangerous position during enemy phase (which you'd have to do to get value out of being a Hero).
The fact that you have to stay at max hp to keep Hero (as a class) being good is also not ideal. Sure you can fix the problem with renewal bond ring, or a high leveled Corrin being parked next to her, but that just adds to the amount of babysitting you'd be doing to use Lapis as a Hero.
It turns into a case where you'd have to pump up her Avoid as much as possible to make her usable as a Hero cuz she still has paper thin defense/res/hp, but isn't a glass cannon neither.
@@demariogoss9732 Her stats don't matter once she gets that 400 EXP. She's a fine buff unit for everyone else to do +20% damage to enemies, she can exist when she's useful and then get phased out for a better unit or another Hero later. She's the earliest and cheapest option for this.
@@demariogoss9732 i gave the offenses because bulk matters much less, and that is what hero is good at, strength and spd. You also have two weapon types, engage is pretty pp heavy cause of break. I think you overestimate bulk thresholds at this point considering tonics give +5 hp and 2 def, but I could just show you everyones bulk to save us both time.
10/1 Hero: HP/Def/Res
Lapis: 29/9/6
Alear: 29/9/5
Chloe: 31/8/5
Louie: 32/12/4
Bouch: 33/10/5
Etie: 28/8/5
Jean: 29/10/7
Alcryst: 30/9/4
I run on berserker for a while to pump stats early then reclass into something else.
She wants brave sword erika to do damage. Never tried but vantage alacrity might work
@@priestessiiIm assuming that's why they run her as berserker at first for that sweet 30% str and 10% build, which patches some of her issues a little
Was kinda considering Mage Knight Lapis in my next Maddening run; only needs to learn Tomes before Celica or Micaiah leave, has 45% Mag growth on Maddening which means fixed growths actually help her (8/9 Mag for 19 levels, and 9 base Mag with no lvls, not bad!), and she can use Chaos Style more efficiently than most Mage Knights to get valuable doubles on even faster enemy classes. Probably best to promote with one of the Master seals you get post Ch11, since you get 3 more Second Seals at this stage.
Pandreo is going to be miles, MILES, better than her as a mage knight so why even bother with lapis, thats my problem with her
@Cullen Bloodstone I do hate to take away his Staves, but yeah Pandreo would be better for sure. Both of them with Celica make for dodgy mages which is nice.
How about an avoid tank? Since it raises avo
on my first playthrough, lapis as a mage knight with a levin sword+5 is a god damn force of nature
I will do my best to make her work on my 4th maddening run but I fail to see what she can do that most other units can't do better. her and bunet feel like they shouldn't be played on maddening no dlc runs
Lapis + Seraph robe + crit or avoid engrave sword + Marth Avoid inherit skill + Roy/Ike/Marth/Erika = profit
Im currently trying lapis as swordmaster on my current maddening run no dlc, just finished chapt 17 and she was my boss killer with eirika ring, i ran her with sword power 2 and build+3 , with the new well, i can get her to sword power 5 when i get roy back, and change build +3 since her speed is high now that weight doesnt matter. so far is okay, i fed her 3 energy drops 😂 and gave her maciah engraved silver sword +1, honestly i am struggling with resources to upgrade my team’s weapons including hers, it’s probably easier to make her more viable when you have dlc ( i saw a video with a +5 multiple weapons before chapter 10 crazy)the resources dlc throws at you is just insane but if no dlc it will be a testament to your skill. 😂
She is my most viable swordmaster cuz i really like the aesthetic, i suicided kagetsu so i wont have any regrets 😂
As an instant hero she does well. She only loses one bld from the stl swd and none from a lance. With 15 spd base, she can hit so many thresholds with little som prep. Most enemies, when you get her are so slow, axe fighters have 8-9 as, lance fighters have 11 then 12. Axe pegs have 11. Cavs have 10, archers have 9. The starting swd fighters in c10 have 14spd, if shes at ilv11(16spd) she only needs a +1spd bond ring and a tonic to reach 19 and orko them with a lance. This is just to show, if you give her an actual combat emblem, this math gets thrown out and she just clears everything.
I played in Hard and felt like she was more of a Player Phase orientated unit. She could double every unit and with a forged Silver Axe, she could kill a lot of enemy types. Usually, only high HP enemies would survive a round of combat with her. I don't think I'll be able to use her when I replay on Maddening though.
Just for reference, I leveled her 20 times in Hero and then switched to Wyvern for the rest of the game. For skills, I gave her Alacrity and Build +4.
The most powerful unit. Her design makes everyone want to bring her.
True, she's too cute I gotta use her
Could you make infographics for each character: class + ring + abilities
I could
@@IcedCoffeeGaming please share your Discord if you make them I’ll be much easier
Would hero be a good class?
Lapis with Wo Dao, Marth Skills, Wo Dao with evasion engrave. Well, she blows my mind with brave sword or Wo Dao.
lapis is cool 😎
I feel like she wants to go into axes to benefit from her passive, whereas her passive is a waste on swords. Her str/spd/bld spread also suggests axe infantry for a couple levels and optionally into wyvern as you recommend.
Kagetsu is just better in every way though.
Jack of all trades, master of none, I'd say. I love her though because she's cute and her armour is very red
Lapis' personal dosen't effect herself. It only impacts allies which are next to her. Lapis can entirely go Crit; she makes *allies* more accurate and crit less.
Also literally the only reason to use Sword Power 1 is if you're already running Strength+2; because Sword Power 1 is 2 Atk [Same as STR+2] but only applies to Swords *and* lowers her evasion and is the same cost.
Its the other way around, it only affects lapis. She can crit, just dont put someone next to her.
@@zate5355 Oh? The wording suggests she gives allies the bonus. My bad then.
What makes Lapis terrible compared to Chloe?
She has similar bases and the same Str and Spd growths. Is it just Build and the fact that she levels up in "bad" classes early?
Honestly after running her on Wyvern she is VERY SIMILAR to Chloe but Chloe gets on Wyvern/lances earlier. So as long as you second seal her into Wyvern ASAP she is a solid unit. Chloe will have a few extra points of speed/dex and slightly more health but Lapis has 1 more STR/Def/Res.
She might become a staple of my runs now :)
I agree Wyvern is her best class (looks great too!), since I used her with a Holy Javelin. I don't think Air Raid is good. Its a 50/50 useful per map. I think being a flier is amazing thanks to Lucina Chain Guards 100% on other Fliers, and her Avo is so good she can stand behind them and never get hit. I used this with Ivy and Chloe a lot and without realizing this utility when planning all their builds. Javelin and flier means Dual Assist+ happens a lot, too.
Anyway, I don't think you've mentioned these:
Dodge tank as a Hero provides a load of extra damage, especially more than Knife users, because of the double chance to chip, while still providing a front line roll as a body block. Theres a lot to riff off of here when considering Emblems. She can Dodge tank on a lot of classes in general.
Reliable breaker, which the game suggests to you upon her recruitment since she's default equipped with Iron Blade. Offensively charge in with Marth's Perceptive skill, break the opponent and Canter away. Follow up with a Warrior for high damage. Steel Blade is crazy cheap to refine given how strong it is and the Wt fits her Bld.
Her low build should clue you in that she wants an emblem with Build or Speed to enable heavier weapons to fix her damage.
I disagree shes not a good mage. Mages really want to double in this game. Shes able to be a fairly good fast Sage due to her base 55 and Sage's 30 + her 25 Mag. This will obviously be a fairly high investment (Seals, Mag boosts, DLC) but again, not much is gonna match that speed, and before you say ANNA you should realize its never bad to field 2 speedy mages.
And of course Kagetsu argument. Kagetsu doesn't get Canter for quite a while. If we're using DLC, he's got 1 more Str than a Starsphere Lapis, 3 less Spd and 1 more Bld at his recruitment. Again, they can both be used in a run, so I never understand these arguments, but they are very even given Starsphere.
Overall, her speed gives her a lot of versatility. Also, please don't recommend Lancer power when it takes away one of her best defensive traits for the same damage she can get on a lot of other skills for all damage not just lances.
Lapis is not getting canter before kagetsu. She joins at the beginning of chapter 7 and the cutoff for early canter is starting chapter 10. She starts with 500 sp so need 500 exp with an emblem ring. Due to the way she joins in chapter 7 she cannot be equipped with an emblem ring or bond ring so she can't earn sp in that chapter. This means she would need to gain 5lv in 8 and 9 which won't happen unless you feed the entire chapter to her.
Early canter is a feasible argument for diamant though.
@@_Sinduss Weird. Canter was easy to get on anyone for me. If you're talking some kind of challenge run or no DLC or something, thats different but you should mention that.
@@garsenchannel556 of course If you play all the dlc maps and use the dlc scrolls you will be able to. I like many others feel that playing the dlc maps too early makes the mid game completely trivial so I have a rule where I need the associated main game emblem to play the dlc map (you also get extra dialogue) which only gives me tikis map. Without dlc maps or scrolls it is not happening on maddening.
Also many people do not have dlc like ice coffee gaming.
@@_Sinduss Right. Like I said, you should mention your bias next time. Can't exactly say somethings not possible because you didn't or can't have the extra content at the moment. Anyway, thanks for the discussion.
feed her kills with the Marth exp weapon and hand her a sp book from the well. my lapis got canter early
I sometimes wonder why they add descriptions to characters like her that say "freakishly strong" and then give her a low STR growth.
Why.
Lapis really get screwed over by personal, usually low strength unit can be slightly excused because will get super high crit rate, but her personal make her lose crit rate to make her dodge tank and hit better which she does not need at all with high speed and dexterity growth.
Try her as swordmaster, then after lv 20 change her to paladin with wa dao+5 + coriin blessing. Brokenn.
I really like lapis but it kinda sucks that if you play her the way the game wants you to then she gets outclassed in the very next chapter by diamant and then even more a few chapters down the line by kagetsu
I fully maxed out a Crit sniper Lapis and she has like 80 Crit against super dodgy thieves but she kills basically everything in one shot.
This is just the Lysithea of this game without the plus side of warp and all the downsides of Lysithea
I tried so hard to make Lapis work on my run. To feel like I haven't wasted all the XP she got while still being useless on Maddening, I put Micaiah on her and had her be a heal bot.
Wyvern with starsphere
So you are saying running a 206 Avo 88 crit swordmaster lapis isn't the way to go???
It can be A WAY to go, most units have multiple strong builds :)
@@IcedCoffeeGaming she's been kicking ass in pvp and 41+ trials so that's all that matters to me
Hmm now what if I make her a general
I used lapis on hard mode and she was kinda underwhelming. Even on hard she wasn't one rounding enemies until i reclassed her into a hero and gave her a crit engraved killer axe with roy emblem did she Finally start doing significant damage. Seeing her lackluster preformence and the fact that kagetsu exists made me not use her for my current maddening mode run.
My build for lapis: bench her, you get diamont in a chapter or 2
Pure upside
I reclassed her into a wyvern rider and then sword master and she was crazy good, idk why because she wasn’t that great on my other play throughs. But her speed was awesome
I tried wyvern rider and paired her with Edelgard and she was great. Arguably, that might just be the class and Edelgard being awesome though 🤷🏽♂️
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Funny how Lapis and the Bouch are supposedly super strong physically (in support conversations) but the have the lowest Str growths
Boucheron's big shtick is not that he's super strong, it's that he's born with a body that has a really good build. And that aspect _is_ shown in gameplay: Boucheron may not have the biggest Str growth, but what he does have is the highest Bld growth in the entire game, allowing him to wield stronger but heavier weapons at less or no detriment to his Spd compared to, say, Anna. This tactic basically covers up for his Str while allowing him to be more of a dodge tank once he gets his Dex and Spd up a bit (and also possibly getting to double).
I've been using Lapis as a Swordmaster on my current no DLC Maddening run. I'm in Solm. Right now she's a dodge tank abusing Sword Agility, her personal skill at times, and a Micaiah engraved Silver Blade. Despite Lapis' low strength, I'm finding that enemies don't appreciate getting more than half of their HP chunked off in one hit by a 20+ Might weapon.
Definitely more of a defense and utility type unit, the way I'm using her. Liberally smashing enemies to move them around and force Break on them regardless of their weapon, and throwing her in the line of fire on Enemy Phase to smack enemies that fail to hit her. Or to just block the path of enemies that can't hit her at all, forcing them to waste their movement range going around when they ignore her. Her getting attacked first on Player Phase also tends to not matter when it's rare for her to take a hit. And she never gets doubled even with the weapon's weight because her speed stat is too high anyway.
I also want to try doubling down on the movement utility. Swordmaster learns Run Through, a command that moves them to the opposite side of an enemy they attack. I want her to also inheirit Advance from Roy to attack from 2-range while moving forward a space. And to use Sigurd's Bond Ring for Canter and Override using a Silver Blade. (In case anybody isn't aware, Advance and Run Through can't be used for the same attack, since they're two different commands on the menu.)
Finally!
You know, I’ve been getting ready for maddening and thinking about doing it without DLC to prove I can…
But do I really care? Like not you but I’ve seen quite a few of the other channels being toxic AF about it.
It’s not like they’ll give me a cookie for it.
IDK
You can play the game however you enjoy, if you want a harder experience turning DLC off will make the game harder, there are other challenges too, LTC, Iron Man, ringless, etc.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I’m probably not going to move on to maddening until I max everyone tbh but we’ll see… got a 14 hour flight coming tomorrow 🤣
Rich tech city girl is best in Griffin with erika
Lapis #1 Flaw is she’s not Timerra.
Her second flaw right up there with not being Timerra is….
Not being Timerra
Sword wyvern with Sword Avoid + Avoid+ seems like a good way to make her into a flying dodge tank. She probably won't hit hard, but she'd be able to take her sweet time cutting through things. Or stick Marth on her and give her +strength or Sword Power.
I feel like Lapis has a bad first impression because swordmaster is really bad in this game. She's not top tier or anything but I used her as a wyvern on maddening and she was fine, makes no sense to me that some people put her at bottom 5 in the game or stuff like that lol
People who defend lapis often compare her to Chloe without ever considering that lapis has way higher opportunity cost to train over Chloe. Chloe only has slightly better growths, but is not only lower investment, it's not like you have any other options when you get her so she's bound to get good. Training lapis means you usually have to give up exp from better units
You are totally right. But there’s tier lists out there with Chloe as S and Lapis as F tier, and I think that causes a high pushback.
And its pretty tough to get Lapis to 1000 SP for Canter, she joins with 500 SP and only gets two main chapters to close the gap. Bow ranges are pretty sizable, its important to be able to hit and run with flying units imo, so Canter being not as accessible makes a big difference here. I barely managed to do it on Citrinne by feeding her kills, arenas, a paralogue, and multiple Micajah ults per chapter, I cant imagine how tough it would be to do on Lapis, whereas Chloe does it pretty casually given her early recruitment, unless you neglect her.
Other things to consider are personals, and amount of seals needed, both of which Chloe wins out.
I think it would be a better argument if Chloe wasn’t the stand out unit to invest in early, before Anna and Jean are recruited at least.
If Alfred or someone else were more viable maybe we could argue to feed them the early exp instead since you get a very similar unit to Chloe in Lapis.
My Lapis is hella strong. Untouchable and kills multiple units.
@@bdl6779 thats a little harsh. Getting a second chloe for the mid to late game makes her c teir at least.
I feel like Lapis is just Celine without access to her unique class and worse growths.
Lapis is clearly trying very hard to be a mixed attacker with nearly identical strength and magic growths, but magic weapons are very heavy and her atrocious build means she is losing speed. Her low build also means she's pretty much sword locked without auto-doublers and her terrible strength means she won't be one-shotting things on Maddening.
I've yet to find a use case for her as you get constrained on unit slots right after you get her and there's some just insane units coming in 1-2 chapters. She's outclassed by so many units that she's just not viable, in my experience.
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Honestly lapis doesn't work at all as sword master because nobody but Kagetsu works as sword master til end game because the growths are so horrendously bad and the class itself is so finicky. Can't have too little strength, too little speed, and you sure as hell don't want too little dexterity. But what I have discovered is if you want her to actually use a sword and still deal damage then hero is probably the best choice. She's not tanky enough to handle wyvern knight and she's not strong enough to handle sword master.
What do you mean by not tanky enough to handle Wyvern? Getting hit on enemy phase or counter attacked on player phase when doubling?
Bro next run just give her a killing edge and watch the crits go crazy
@Iced Coffee Gaming I tried positioning her to lure in ch9 let's just say it only took 2 axe enemies to have her at critical health lol. She doesn't like that lol. Alear and Chloe didn't give me trouble but lapis didn't like that lol.
@@Dokgo22 crits on maddening don't matter if you are dealing 1-3 damage per encounter.
@RaidenKaiser for me, my scrawny units rely heavily on crit bc they trash. Also, the rng is wild in this game for me , I'll land 1-6% crit chance but miss 89-98% reg hit rates and consistently get hit by cpu with 13% hit rates 🤷🏽♂️
Lapis reminds me of a worse Mia or Marissa. Someone put a lot of work into her to basically be a squeaky toy in terms of fighting.
She's way better than those 2 (FE9 Mia, at least) because she can reclass into classes that don't really care about stats like hero and griffin. But yeah if you just go swordmaster she's not exactly great unfortunately
So what did y'all do for her to get to this reputation.
I currently run her as a swordmaster dodge tank. It's great until that one guy with 8% hit chance proves how bulkshyte the hut chance displayed it.
Also, with speedtaker I can justify a brave sword on her.
Im pretty sure 4×0 is still 0.
@Tyler Dunham brave swords Mt let's her eat soft targets.
But I don't use her to kill the map. She distracts enemys and blocks chock points and doesn't get hit.
Poor Lapis. She literally has to appear only for Diamant to overshadow her in almost every way. Needless to say, she’s going to have to be given A LOT of time in the spotlight for her to even get close to Diamant.
She’s more of an Alcryst than Alcryst himself
Ally Notebook: “Looks dainty, but she’s incredibly strong.”
Actual in-game: low str growth and cant hold heavy weapons well to compensate.
I had her on wolf knight after not being satisfied by hero, and giving her Roy and forged silver daggers fixed her attack power issue (on hard). Maybe a daggers class could be a way to go if you really want to run her over the other dagger units you get.
A lot of early units in engage have the issue of being naturally outclassed by mid game and few it feels have that problem as bad as Lapis? Arguably immediately outclassed by Diamant one chapter later and then is even harder outclassed by Kagetsu. Thankfully you can make almost everyone work in this game.
I feel like her best builds are Paladin, Warrior, Wyvern Knight and imo her best build is Beserker. Her personal skill really makes her amazing with Axes and fixes her damage output and low BLD.
Sage for me has worked phenomenally in Maddening, really impressed as she regularly doubles Great Knights, Halberdiers and Paladins around Chapter 22 rn.
Low strength just sucks in this game. It's difficult enough to make Chloe kill anything lategame, and having 2 of them doesn't make it easier.
Can I interest you in a WYVERN KNIGHT
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I'm sure it's pretty good but I can't comment on it because when I played on random growths my lapis ended up 10! strength above the curve at level 30 lol.
I have a theory craft I am currently testing for Lapis. You need the DLC to get early Art proficiency. It sounds crazy, but Martial Master. There is one big upside to having a Martial Master you get 100% guard rate woth Lucina on ALL units.
Lapis has a 20% Magic growth and a 25% Strength growth and a starting Magic of 2. However, transferring her to a Martial Master ups her Magic by 5 to 7 and her Strength to 12 a 5 point difference. Since you hace the DLC give her the Magic booster you got from that and the one you get on chapter 10 to bring her magic to 1 point of each other. So, Magic 11 and Strength 12.
On fixed growths Lapis should, if my math is right, 15.15 Strength and 14.6 Magic at 10 and 18.65 and 18.6 Magic at 20 in Martial Master. Her speed should be 15.95 at 10 and 21.45 at 20 (Martial Master has a 0% speed growth).
So, the strategy is just a varient of what most of the comments are talking about. You use Lucina and you build her a really good weapon. Since she is locked at 1 range you don't really desire her to enemy phase, so you stack her avoid to make her "invisible" then you can chain guard and bonded guard at will. Plus you can break mages and bows. Maybe not the best, but I think this is certainly "viable."
22m is too much time. Try a fast and precise 5-8m video . Lapis Martial Master Eirika is a boss killer build. She is similar to Clhoe.
nah spoiler character you get after chap 22 with 26 mag and 24 str in MM with Erika is boss killer - 0% investment too...and they only 500sp shy of just inheriting Lunar Brace so they don't even need Erika
@@mqlando9480 yes. And you can 1 turn ch 21 with MM Lapis on maddening too
20 minutes is quite a long time to talk about a bench... jk
Lapis on General is actually one of the best cases for her, I feel. The 20% strength growth helps fix her mediocre personal growth, and her speed cap modifier is +3. This means that as a general she goes from 17 max for average general to 20 speed capped. The +speed skill inherit is cheap and allows her to get past cap alongside any +speed emblem ring, making her one of if not the only armours that can double while also fixing her build growth. She caps speed but given her increased cap I'd hardly call it wasteful to make her a General.
Your local Lapis enthusiast here. I've already said 90% of what I can about her so I won't repeat it. If anyone wants to really use Lapis though because they like her this is my latest build for her. I just feel like sharing it since it's been a lot of fun. Yes, I did use 2 energy drops on her. No, I don't think that's a point against her and I don't know why people are so determined to not use their stat boosters and let them sit in their convoy collecting dust.
Anyways, early on I made Lapis into a hero and gave her two engraved weapons. Steel sword engraved with Leif (axe users are slow enough that she can still double with the minor loss of speed) and a steel lance engraved with Micaiah that gives her a 100% chance to avoid attacks on enemy phase for most of the game, though there were some occasions when enemies would have a sub 10% chance to hit her and she could whittle them down a bit for next player phase. She did her job which was to avoid attacks, whittle enemies down, then finish one of them off next turn and brave assist allies with a javelin afterwards.
Late game is when she really popped off. I saved up her SP all game for this single skill and it helped a lot. Lunar Brace, 2 energy drops, and then a brave sword with the spoiler engraving that increases avoid and crit chance. With Sigurd equipped she had canter+ and just enough build to not be slowed down by the brave sword. Now she one rounds almost any enemy she can quad with that sword (momentum helps too), a high avoid, and a decent chance to crit since she's quadding. I did have to invest more into her than other characters, but now she's just as much a hard carry as Kagetsu and Panette have been. It's my favorite build for her so far.
Damn that sounds a lot of investment, Chloe on the other hand i just reclass her into Marital Master and she keeps destroying things, i will try to use Lapis next playthrough
@@priestessii Yes
@@sleepyinsomniac0507 Not really? The biggest investment was spending 2 energy drops on her. I'll admit that was a decent investment (though it paid off in the end). I'll look at the other stuff I did and decide if it was a serious investment.
The Micaiah emblem? It's always going to go to an avoid tank. Lapis is my main avoid tank. Since no one else needs it I don't see it as an investment because I'm not stealing a resource from anyone else because she makes the best use of it.
Lunar Brace? Anyone can get that skill. Just save your SP. And since it's not required until the end game (or even required at all, sword power probably would have been just as good). You'll be spending SP on every character to get the right skills for their build.
The spoiler engraving on her brave sword? My only other sword user is Kagetsu, and he doesn't need it. He gets better use out of a killer sword with the Corrin engraving.
It's all more investment than some of my other characters needed, but it's not a "crazy" amount like you imply. And even before I invested all that stuff into her she was good and did her job. Now she does that same job just as well and can also one round most enemies pretty easily.
@@priestessii Kagetsu has a higher base speed but Lapis actually has a higher growth rate. I just checked and their speed is almost dead even. Kagetsu has maybe 1-2 points over her with no emblems equipped.
You're right that Kagetsu probably does the brave sword thing better, but that's not the build I chose for him this game. My Kagetsu is using Roy and a vantage/crit build with a killer sword. Yes Lunar Brace costs a lot of SP as well, but as I mentioned it's not necessary until the VERY end game and no other skill really benefits her as much as it does.
You're right that 2 engravings is a lot to give to one character though I guess. I just don't see it as an issue. If one unit benefits more from a resource than other units on my team I just don't view it as a loss or a high investment because that resource wasn't going to go to anyone else anyways.
Either way, my comment was not meant to start an argument about whether Lapis is good or not. I already admitted in my original comment that this is more investment than I put into my other characters. It was just a fun build I wanted to share with others. You can use it or not if you want, I'm not gonna try to talk you into using it anymore because all that matters to me is that I'm enjoying my game.
@@priestessii Damn 100 level ups? I gotta check again. I swear it was close to even...
Okay, I actually turned the game on and checked this time. With fixed growths, no speed wings, and no food or emblem bonuses my Lapis has 36 speed as a Hero and my Kagetsu has 37 speed as a Swordmaster. So it is lower by a single point. The lower BLD stat is a major point against Lapis though, which was why it was necessary to give her Sigurd and the spoiler engraving on her brave sword to lower its weight by 1. Exactly 12 BLD with Sigurd and 12 weight on the sword with the engraving.
On my hard playthrough, I invested in her as much or more as my god-tier units and if we're being honest she was still only frontline-tier. That doesn't bode well for maddening. I will still use her though because I love her and she's perfect.
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She is a classic example of a poorly designed character. A swordmaster with negative crit? Characters biggest selling point is her speed but she has awful build? Her attributes just conflict in such a way she has no purpose