Since you mentioned starting to consider DLC options, I ran the Three Houses bracelet on Timerra. The kit for Edelgarde, Dimitri and Claude gives her a lot of options. Houses Unite is a pretty generic Emblem Attack, but I get a lot of uses out of the Synced Combat Arts and the Unsynced Gambits. The real key is the stat boosts. At level 20 bond rank, +5 str, +4 dex, +3 def. Basically everything Timerra wants, especially if you can patch up her speed a bit. It makes her into a beast.
Timerra is really good imo because she's a good EP unit in a game rather low on good EP units. Compared to the other tanks, she has the speed to not get doubled, no effective weapon or weaknesses, and her def isn't too high so enemies won't just ignore her. Her passive also protects nearby units. Chain attack, her crit boosting support on a bunch of powerhouses, and sandstorm are just the cherry on top.
Additional note for Erika on Timerra, if you run flame lance then Erika gives her a good magic boost. Helps for armour and helps for two range pokes with some extra oomph on low res enemies.
She’s so fun. Given how her build really requires her stats as good as possible I like to give her starsphere, all the secret books and Sigurd and then she just runs around killing everything with override giving her some incredible player phase skills.
The spear weapon from linking your Nintendo account to FEH, Fensalyr, is also very light weight and it's stats are somewhere between steel and silver. I've used it on Chloe and Timerra and it's fantastic for both of them. Important note - you do not have to play FEH, just link your Nintendo account. Takes about 5-10 minutes depending on your internet speed.
@@tokenasian1 yes, and if you want it gone you have to delete the game to get rid of all dlc and just download base game again. This applies to the not free dlc as well
The clear choice is general for the strawberry kiwi armor Jokes aside, she's gotta stay picket. She'll do poor damage otherwise. I will say, if you don't want her to hog Ike for tanking, she can use Leif and be fine. Just be sure to inherit resolve from Ike. Def +5 from resolve plus 7 less damage from Leif means that she'll be able to tank nicely. The leftover SP can go towards dex for accuracy/procs. Just make sure you don't leave her behind with a flier emblem team.
I stand by Marth being a great endgame emblem for her. He turns her into more of a dodge tank that still has pretty great bulk, and she makes good use of the increased Str, Dex and Spd he gives. His sword engage weapons give her some non-Lance break options. She can proc Sandstorm on the extra attacks provided by Break Defenses and Divine Speed, so she can go wild with the new well Lance, Brave Lance on slower enemies, or Killer Lance for general use. She can also proc Sandstorm on Lodestar Rush (8 hits since she’s a backup unit). For DLC, I kinda want to try her with Hector as a Str/Def/Bld increasing emblem. While engaged he also gives +30% Def on enemy phase, and if that applies to Sandstorm it could be nutty.
I ran Timerra with Starsphere as soon as i got her, she's learnt +5 str/dex/vit/def with 39 speed and like 42 def now, she's the best tank in the game with 40%+ chance to Sandstorm with Spear +5.
I always give her a Dracoshield or two, both to help her with being tankier, and to increase her chunking game with Sandstorm. It seems to be the strongest of the activated skills to boot, from a raw power angle.
On paper she seems very average. But when you use her she comes in clutch! I gave her Hector and she becomes a powerful tank. Speedtaker is imo the most important skill for her, so she can take kills early and be able to use Brave Lance to proc her Sandstorm. Along with Alfred, both have surprised me a lot on Maddening.
See seems to require a bit of investment. Lv5 picket takes some time to get. At lv5 shell have at most like -20/25 dex to trigger. She is weighed down by lances. Preventing doubling. Speed investment a requirement. Ike makes her tanky but doesnt really fix her str issue. Few ring join you until chapter 17/18. Her mid game feels rough.
Her on Lucina is actually really good. Lucina gives her dex and extra avoid. I gave her a high crit Lance so if sandstorm doesn't proc she crits and of course both of those things can proc for some insane damage
I run her on crit build with Hector and the new well spear (Brionac is amazing too), i use Spd/Tec +4 and Tech+5 with this she constently sandstorm or crit if not both, not activating one these two proc is pretty rare so i found her damage high and consistent ( Brionac base damage are so high that you don't need to proc to kill ), now they added the new dlc and spd/tec i feel like i don't really need tech+5 now, the only weak point i found is she can't recover easily by herself while dealing against magic damage, Vantage++ is great with brionac and erikia as emblem for the self heal but it doesn't look as good with Hector. Anyway Timerra is a really amazing and fun unit that you need to invest at least a little, she bring fun and smile, it's a total win!.
So in a previous video of yours I asked if Lineage and Mentorship stacked. Good news is they do. (Vander was getting 48-50 XP per kill on maddening) 5 levels of Vander Paladin level ups with Tiki.... and Vander's total stats are 86
Timerra is my favorite Sigurd carrier. I give her a little lance avoid and dual assist and with sigurds movement and lance power she is so insane. Does chain attacks from almost anywhere on the map and annihilate foes. And sandstorm triggers on override are hilarious. Brave lance is icing on the cake. Fensir and the new lance dlc weapon are both good on her too.
I gave her Sigurd too at first but imo Timerra wants a more defensive emblem like Ike or better Hector if you have dlc. Sigurd is too offensive based for Timerra and I feel like since she wants sandstorm to proc for damage without it the damage is just none. In maddening late game, she with Sigurd kinda fell off a little bit because she doesn't do enough damage but could not tank well but since I put her with a more defensive emblem, she shows her worth once again
I think it would be worthwhile possibly making a video on the topic of investment of units and the negatives / positives of investing in specific units over others at specific points of the game you get them. Due to there being a lot to talk about when it comes to that sort of stuff might end up too long of a video but would be interesting to just have that discussion.
Good unit but idk about giving her ike. Panette is so broken on ike with a killer axe. Panette is now one of my favorite units. Warrior panette with brute force and edelgard engraved killer axe +3 is just deadly. Can even one shot hyacinth's healthbars in chapter 17 making him much less of a headache. I also love the ancient well that was added to engage. i can now make immortal tanks if i want to. Holdout +++ sp price looks reasonable now.
Just give it a shot! I too always run ike with panette but towards late game i find that I don’t even want to use GA on panette and i actually just leave panette close to death so vantage will proc ( depends on ur vantage level) since I want her to just enemy phase 1 shot enemies with a crit axe or brave axe, timera with ike has potential to 1 shot a blob of enemies with great aether sandstorm which panette was unable to do even after feeding her energy drops with great aether and +5 killer axe. Just give vantage and wrath a try on panette and she will still be the monster that she is.
@@kiretan8599 I guess i could give panette leif. Will have to do that my next run then though because this run i decided to try a crit team because brute force made swordmasters viable meaning i can run swordy kagetsu also the well update meant i could get lunar brace easily on up to 3 units if need be which allows me to make alear a deadly crit killer too. The theme of my current team is doing massive crit damage and thats pretty much the gimmick. I love the dlc too. I feel like hector would be really good on timerra honestly as well. Sandstorm is cool though.
I am really pro giving Panette Sigurd. High strength overrides are more reliable than GA, the additional mobility lets her dive and escape and pick engagements, momentum combos with crit builds amazingly well. You can still stick Wrath and Vantage or Wrath and Hold Out on her. She's just my "I want this thing dead" button. Don't need defense if she never gets hit.
@@dave9515 i would avoid leif tbh if i were you, his adaptability uhh sucks balls( in this case anyway) he might swap panette’s killer axe or brave axe to a lance or something which might prevent you from doing a ORKO on enemy phase.
I found that giving her an awakening engraved forged lance (or any engraving that lowers weight) fixes her speed issue on her starting map IMMEDIATELY. Allowing her even to double enemies fliers who got weighted down by their own silver weapons lol Plus she became a mix of physical bruiser and dodge tank thanks to the engraving, and inheriting resolve from Ike (since I intend on using a different emblem for her) Would highly recommend.
I gave her Hector and fed her my Dracoshields and Secret books and now she's a beast that just wipes out entire enemy teams on their turn. For weapons I use a buffed spear or the new well spear. Tbh I might give Hector over to my General Goldmary so that she can double on enemy phase cus of Quick Riposte and then give Timerra the 3H bracelet for the flexibility or Eirika for armour pen and healing
Since timerra’s build is low and Chloe got the Sigurd engraving I was thinking of giving her a killer spear and a javelin with Ike emblem equipped. Maybe I’ll inherit speed and pair up though dex+ is tempting….
Definitely one of my top survivor units. Shes one of the very few units that almost never gets one shot. Without Ike she still can competently take on around 3 enemies, if they aren't OP or break her. But I do think Ike is best for her as it allowes her to tank a large group solo. I wouldn't do a maddening run without her. And for personal experience sandstorm an enemy phase with javelin procs alot so after a round with her everyone else just cleans up the mess thats left.
Gave my Timerra Lunar Brace and Dual Assist+ with Sigurd. So she hits hard and can almost always chain attack. I thought Sigurd would be good on her since her def being high means she'd be tanky and be able to push forward more than some other units. Also, Sigurd gives useful stat buffs for her
Probably most fun and reliable unit for enemy phasing and juggernauting a side, that being said a lot of people underrate her because of the investment she needs to hit level 5 being required and otherwise looks like a completely bad unit through and through (Similar to Anna imo) People will argue putting Ike on her or giving her an engraving like Lucina is too much investment over other units like Diamant Kagetsu Pannette but to be honest the only character who really needs Ike in that argument is Diamant due to the other two being able to one round consistently and Diamant just performs worse later on due to his low dex growth and cap on personal requiring engraving on every weapon you use on him. SP from emblems vs bond is kind of a valid argument but I consider giving an emblem ring to a unit who needs it at the moment like Timerra better due to it making the game easier for those chapters and that being a worthwhile investment over just hard investing into specific units all the time.
@@priestessii I usually would prefer doing that later on with vantage due to Pannette getting doubled, Ike/Pannette later on is kind of crazy just prefer for 2 or so chapters having a unit who can pull their weight as much as others even if that is a small investment to have a good unit for the rest of the run. (Leif Timerra good imo)
Picket timerra with a brave Lance and crit engraving with Ike emblem is the hand down best overall combat unit in this game she can tank off and sandstorm crit half of maps... I've had her hit over 400 smg in one hit in a quad chain the queen
First problem is that she joins with 2 very strong units Panette and Merrin. So my next run is a draft with and Timerra is one of the units i picked, let's see if this build works. Side note, Speed + X is superior to Build + X they cost the same, both increase AS, but spd can increase AS beyond the limit if the weapon is light enough., of course you can use both together to maximize AS
I would say both are useful and on similar level depending on the units bases and growth rate. Example Ivy has really good build but low to middling speed so she more than likely won't get doubled but won't double, so Speed+ is better for her than build. However a unit like Clanne has very high speed bases and growth however his Build is poor and bases are poor too. Bld will make him use majority heavy high damage tomes and Levin Sword easily and double quickly as forging the Levin Sword or most heavy tomes won't reduce weight.
@@magegeneral6988 as far i see it, there is no difference taking +3 Bld or +3 spd in that case, both cost 500 SP and both increase +3 AS, but spd +3 comes with the advantage of higher AS if your Bld is higher than the weapon weight, but let's see if Iced Coffee Gaming has something in his upcoming vid that I have overlooked
If only done one play through so hopefully this isn’t a dumb question. Can you not level a character to level 5 for the class skill and then change there class or do you lose it ?
I used her on my first play through not knowing how good she would be and I remember seeing tier lists with her in low tier and I remember thinking there is no way these people making these lists actually used her. She is insanely good even with low investment
You didn’t mention her down side. And the a low build of 5. And she’s a lance user this dose not make any sense. The thing to fix her low build is lyn speed +3, or getting lief 4 chapters later to give her a build skill.
I love timerra honestly but that base str and growth is just sad. Same with Alcryst, fun to use, not really worth bringing if you already have a high str team.
Okay what what about swordmaster Timerra? You didn’t mention it but I’m planning on trying a brave sword swordmaster Timerra on the run where I made my alear a sage 😝
Ah the ol' noodle arm strat. Take the unit with mediocre strength bases and growths, put them in a class with mediocre strength growth and the least physically powerful brave weapon, and let them plink away.
@@albertobarberacampos451 I know and because that’s boring….I got rid of all the personal classes and reclasses all the lords as basic classes most of them had strong abilities that honestly was making the game too easy and also because currently I’m doing a run where I can only use alear and the four first born royals and I figure having a sword user might be important since I turned alear into a sage (access to convoy and thus any stave he could possibly need for any situation) and Alfred has lances covered as a halberdier
She's been talked about in every 2nd or 3rd video at this point, so I feel like I've heard all these points already😂 I still stand by that she's almost a mid-game trainee with her noodle arm & not quite tank level defense + low build. Needing one of the very limited emblem rings you have in those chapters until she hits level 5 is a fairly large investment, and not something I'd really call low (emblem rings are the most contested resource until ~chapter 17). An off-tank who can't hit back for relevant damage early is tough to train without Miciah spam if you aren't familiar with what maddening is throwing at you, especially when the game just threw 3-4 absurdly cracked, out of the box characters in your face. However, with the new DLC in my second maddening play through I've softened my stance on the trainee part a bit, as that new lance you're given fixes that strength issue in an absurd way. If Chloe isn't hogging it, she's probably the best user of it with a Sigurd engraving, which clears up almost all her early game offensive issues, and once she gets Sandstorm she really starts popping off.
I never had these issues and I've used her in 4 runs. I even deployed her late into a run to replace a bad early game unit I was running. In all of my runs I gave her a ton of statboosters on her brave lance build and the others at most she received 2 dex books which are not a contested resource. Without Ike she can tank 2-3 enemies and deal decent damage on upgraded steel/silver lance or go for crits on a killer lance. The only other unit I could think of that wants Ike during the middlegame is Goldmary or a unit that wants STR fixing, aside from that I don't really find middle game emblem rings to be a problem, most of my units perform on bond rings.
All the other units can perform on bond rings, doesn’t make it optimal. Ike is your best physical emblem ring for a while and turns great units like Kagetsu, Merrin, Panette (to allow her to take a hit), and even Chloe into phenoms, whereas with Timmera it’s simply functional at the start. The SP loss on those characters from using bond rings is important too, albeit maybe not as much as it was before the well came into play. She has 15 strength and 18 defense without boosters or rings, and with the speed penalties from the weapons she’s not doubling much early either. On chapter 14 she can realistically tank 2 non flyers, or 1 promoted enemy, and will 2-3 RKO most enemies on an upgraded steel lance. If you’re giving her the best lance over someone like Chloe, that’s another layer of investment given Chloe is likely doing more with that lance at this point in the game. None of this is me saying she’s not A tier, just that the investment level without feeding her a bit before she hits level 5 is not what I’d call low. My first run I couldn’t be bothered giving her Chloe’s weapons or forging another set of steel +3 weapons right away when the game just gave me a slew of S tier characters who want good weapons. It’s similar investment to Lapis, and a lot more than Merrin/Kagetsu/Panette/Pandreo, all of whom came within the last 2 chapters. This run I gave her stuff though + made the investments after watching your videos and she’s been super fun to play!
@@priestessii your point on the first point is what I was trying to articulate - the time/efficiency gains of Ike on other units like Panette early is what makes me call this a medium investment (along with extra weapons, etc.) The reason I mentioned Ike on the speedy units early is they don’t get anything else until after chapter 16/17 (Lucina is stapled to Alear for bonded shield and Lynn to Ivy, but that’s personal preference I guess) and increasing their sustain in the interim makes them more viable EP options with the increased defense + HP (the strength is really just a bonus). Not hard to get her to level 5 by chapter 17 as long as you make the investment or know the maps inside out like Iced does after a few play throughs. On playthrough 1 though I’d just be cautious on taking on too many of these investments if you don’t know all the mechanics inside out yet.
One thing you gotta remember about Coffee's "investment" scale is that feeding some levels doesn't really seem to factor in much. This is the dude that rated Anna as "Medium" investment and Jean as "Low/Medium" investment in his tier list. Pretty much the poster children for trainee units, aka the "put a good amount of investment into me and I'll become good eventually" archetype. Anna, the axe fighter that comes with worse base stats than Boucheron, but 4+ battles later and requires an immediate second seal because she's in the wrong class line for her growths is "medium" because eventually she becomes good and doesn't require heavily forged weapons and stat boosters later.
So her unique class is the best and you should pick it.
i see what you did there.
Best comment 😂
Hate that you beat me to it lol
aaaand this is one of the best comments I've ever seen. up there with one on the unseen ones theme lmao
Busted sandstorm
Timerra and alcryst two of the most fun units. Dex procs are beautiful
Since you mentioned starting to consider DLC options, I ran the Three Houses bracelet on Timerra. The kit for Edelgarde, Dimitri and Claude gives her a lot of options. Houses Unite is a pretty generic Emblem Attack, but I get a lot of uses out of the Synced Combat Arts and the Unsynced Gambits.
The real key is the stat boosts. At level 20 bond rank, +5 str, +4 dex, +3 def. Basically everything Timerra wants, especially if you can patch up her speed a bit. It makes her into a beast.
Timerra is one of my favorites! She is brutal and it feels like half the time she gets Sandstorm.
Timerra is really good imo because she's a good EP unit in a game rather low on good EP units. Compared to the other tanks, she has the speed to not get doubled, no effective weapon or weaknesses, and her def isn't too high so enemies won't just ignore her. Her passive also protects nearby units. Chain attack, her crit boosting support on a bunch of powerhouses, and sandstorm are just the cherry on top.
It's nice to see a unit with such a shaky strength growth be viable in a game where stats get so high towards the end.
So I know you don't DLC, but the Chrobin bracelet has a +Dex/Spd skill, and it's basically so amazing for her that it's an auto include.
Additional note for Erika on Timerra, if you run flame lance then Erika gives her a good magic boost. Helps for armour and helps for two range pokes with some extra oomph on low res enemies.
She’s so fun. Given how her build really requires her stats as good as possible I like to give her starsphere, all the secret books and Sigurd and then she just runs around killing everything with override giving her some incredible player phase skills.
The spear weapon from linking your Nintendo account to FEH, Fensalyr, is also very light weight and it's stats are somewhere between steel and silver. I've used it on Chloe and Timerra and it's fantastic for both of them.
Important note - you do not have to play FEH, just link your Nintendo account. Takes about 5-10 minutes depending on your internet speed.
does the FEH DLC to other runs/saves?
@@tokenasian1 the FEH bonus is linked to your Nintendo account, you get it every save file using that account.
@@tokenasian1 yes, and if you want it gone you have to delete the game to get rid of all dlc and just download base game again. This applies to the not free dlc as well
@@tokenasian1 yes, you will receive the FEH weapons & bond rings in every save
The clear choice is general for the strawberry kiwi armor
Jokes aside, she's gotta stay picket. She'll do poor damage otherwise. I will say, if you don't want her to hog Ike for tanking, she can use Leif and be fine. Just be sure to inherit resolve from Ike. Def +5 from resolve plus 7 less damage from Leif means that she'll be able to tank nicely. The leftover SP can go towards dex for accuracy/procs.
Just make sure you don't leave her behind with a flier emblem team.
Timerra was the goat my first play through hard classic. She maxed out her build naturally with 12 build
I stand by Marth being a great endgame emblem for her. He turns her into more of a dodge tank that still has pretty great bulk, and she makes good use of the increased Str, Dex and Spd he gives. His sword engage weapons give her some non-Lance break options.
She can proc Sandstorm on the extra attacks provided by Break Defenses and Divine Speed, so she can go wild with the new well Lance, Brave Lance on slower enemies, or Killer Lance for general use.
She can also proc Sandstorm on Lodestar Rush (8 hits since she’s a backup unit).
For DLC, I kinda want to try her with Hector as a Str/Def/Bld increasing emblem. While engaged he also gives +30% Def on enemy phase, and if that applies to Sandstorm it could be nutty.
Hector is pretty disgusting on her. She's been my MVP. This has been on hard mode, though, so she may have the Louis effect on maddening.
I agree with this. I think of her as a dodge tank that's technical fighter instead of a brute force fighter.
I took your advice and tried her out. I’m so glad I did! 🌈
I ran Timerra with Starsphere as soon as i got her, she's learnt +5 str/dex/vit/def with 39 speed and like 42 def now, she's the best tank in the game with 40%+ chance to Sandstorm with Spear +5.
I always give her a Dracoshield or two, both to help her with being tankier, and to increase her chunking game with Sandstorm. It seems to be the strongest of the activated skills to boot, from a raw power angle.
Timerra > Diamant for tanking tbh
On paper she seems very average. But when you use her she comes in clutch! I gave her Hector and she becomes a powerful tank. Speedtaker is imo the most important skill for her, so she can take kills early and be able to use Brave Lance to proc her Sandstorm. Along with Alfred, both have surprised me a lot on Maddening.
See seems to require a bit of investment. Lv5 picket takes some time to get. At lv5 shell have at most like -20/25 dex to trigger. She is weighed down by lances. Preventing doubling. Speed investment a requirement. Ike makes her tanky but doesnt really fix her str issue. Few ring join you until chapter 17/18. Her mid game feels rough.
Her on Lucina is actually really good. Lucina gives her dex and extra avoid. I gave her a high crit Lance so if sandstorm doesn't proc she crits and of course both of those things can proc for some insane damage
I run her on crit build with Hector and the new well spear (Brionac is amazing too), i use Spd/Tec +4 and Tech+5 with this she constently sandstorm or crit if not both, not activating one these two proc is pretty rare so i found her damage high and consistent ( Brionac base damage are so high that you don't need to proc to kill ), now they added the new dlc and spd/tec i feel like i don't really need tech+5 now, the only weak point i found is she can't recover easily by herself while dealing against magic damage, Vantage++ is great with brionac and erikia as emblem for the self heal but it doesn't look as good with Hector.
Anyway Timerra is a really amazing and fun unit that you need to invest at least a little, she bring fun and smile, it's a total win!.
I figured this video would be about 10 seconds long--"Timerra. Sandstorm. Thanks for watching."
I wish I had one more skill slot.
I would run +dex, +speed and +defense.
You can run the other 2 and have an emblem that specializes on it
So in a previous video of yours I asked if Lineage and Mentorship stacked. Good news is they do. (Vander was getting 48-50 XP per kill on maddening)
5 levels of Vander Paladin level ups with Tiki.... and Vander's total stats are 86
Timerra is my favorite Sigurd carrier. I give her a little lance avoid and dual assist and with sigurds movement and lance power she is so insane. Does chain attacks from almost anywhere on the map and annihilate foes. And sandstorm triggers on override are hilarious. Brave lance is icing on the cake. Fensir and the new lance dlc weapon are both good on her too.
I gave her Sigurd too at first but imo Timerra wants a more defensive emblem like Ike or better Hector if you have dlc. Sigurd is too offensive based for Timerra and I feel like since she wants sandstorm to proc for damage without it the damage is just none. In maddening late game, she with Sigurd kinda fell off a little bit because she doesn't do enough damage but could not tank well but since I put her with a more defensive emblem, she shows her worth once again
Biased he’s rating his waifu lol
Keep up the guides man!
I think it would be worthwhile possibly making a video on the topic of investment of units and the negatives / positives of investing in specific units over others at specific points of the game you get them. Due to there being a lot to talk about when it comes to that sort of stuff might end up too long of a video but would be interesting to just have that discussion.
While only able to use lances without emblems, she's still very versatile, which is pretty incredible!
Good unit but idk about giving her ike. Panette is so broken on ike with a killer axe. Panette is now one of my favorite units. Warrior panette with brute force and edelgard engraved killer axe +3 is just deadly. Can even one shot hyacinth's healthbars in chapter 17 making him much less of a headache. I also love the ancient well that was added to engage. i can now make immortal tanks if i want to. Holdout +++ sp price looks reasonable now.
Just give it a shot! I too always run ike with panette but towards late game i find that I don’t even want to use GA on panette and i actually just leave panette close to death so vantage will proc ( depends on ur vantage level) since I want her to just enemy phase 1 shot enemies with a crit axe or brave axe, timera with ike has potential to 1 shot a blob of enemies with great aether sandstorm which panette was unable to do even after feeding her energy drops with great aether and +5 killer axe. Just give vantage and wrath a try on panette and she will still be the monster that she is.
@@kiretan8599 I guess i could give panette leif. Will have to do that my next run then though because this run i decided to try a crit team because brute force made swordmasters viable meaning i can run swordy kagetsu also the well update meant i could get lunar brace easily on up to 3 units if need be which allows me to make alear a deadly crit killer too. The theme of my current team is doing massive crit damage and thats pretty much the gimmick. I love the dlc too. I feel like hector would be really good on timerra honestly as well. Sandstorm is cool though.
I am really pro giving Panette Sigurd. High strength overrides are more reliable than GA, the additional mobility lets her dive and escape and pick engagements, momentum combos with crit builds amazingly well. You can still stick Wrath and Vantage or Wrath and Hold Out on her.
She's just my "I want this thing dead" button. Don't need defense if she never gets hit.
@@dave9515 i would avoid leif tbh if i were you, his adaptability uhh sucks balls( in this case anyway) he might swap panette’s killer axe or brave axe to a lance or something which might prevent you from doing a ORKO on enemy phase.
@@kiretan8599 Duly noted. Thanks for the advice. I forgot all about weapon master for a second.
The perfect backup for any form of Chloé (except martial master)
Siempre la dejo con Sigurd porque él le da todo lo que ella necesita
To be honest that hip swaying thing she does in her default class has pure upside.
After the first 4 minutes of the video I can conclude that Timerra's hips are S tier.
I found that giving her an awakening engraved forged lance (or any engraving that lowers weight) fixes her speed issue on her starting map IMMEDIATELY. Allowing her even to double enemies fliers who got weighted down by their own silver weapons lol
Plus she became a mix of physical bruiser and dodge tank thanks to the engraving, and inheriting resolve from Ike (since I intend on using a different emblem for her)
Would highly recommend.
Sandstorm. Speedtaker. That is all.
I’m just kidding. I made Timerra into a Wyvern Knight and she was kicking some serious @$$.
I gave her Hector and fed her my Dracoshields and Secret books and now she's a beast that just wipes out entire enemy teams on their turn. For weapons I use a buffed spear or the new well spear. Tbh I might give Hector over to my General Goldmary so that she can double on enemy phase cus of Quick Riposte and then give Timerra the 3H bracelet for the flexibility or Eirika for armour pen and healing
Since timerra’s build is low and Chloe got the Sigurd engraving I was thinking of giving her a killer spear and a javelin with Ike emblem equipped. Maybe I’ll inherit speed and pair up though dex+ is tempting….
i made timerra a great knight for mt first run but she just couldn’t kill for me, but i love her design so much
Definitely one of my top survivor units.
Shes one of the very few units that almost never gets one shot. Without Ike she still can competently take on around 3 enemies, if they aren't OP or break her. But I do think Ike is best for her as it allowes her to tank a large group solo.
I wouldn't do a maddening run without her. And for personal experience sandstorm an enemy phase with javelin procs alot so after a round with her everyone else just cleans up the mess thats left.
Gave my Timerra Lunar Brace and Dual Assist+ with Sigurd. So she hits hard and can almost always chain attack. I thought Sigurd would be good on her since her def being high means she'd be tanky and be able to push forward more than some other units. Also, Sigurd gives useful stat buffs for her
I skipped her on my first playthrough for Bro, but she's definitely getting used next go around
Love this offensive tank!!! She can carry one flank alone
Probably most fun and reliable unit for enemy phasing and juggernauting a side, that being said a lot of people underrate her because of the investment she needs to hit level 5 being required and otherwise looks like a completely bad unit through and through (Similar to Anna imo)
People will argue putting Ike on her or giving her an engraving like Lucina is too much investment over other units like Diamant Kagetsu Pannette but to be honest the only character who really needs Ike in that argument is Diamant due to the other two being able to one round consistently and Diamant just performs worse later on due to his low dex growth and cap on personal requiring engraving on every weapon you use on him.
SP from emblems vs bond is kind of a valid argument but I consider giving an emblem ring to a unit who needs it at the moment like Timerra better due to it making the game easier for those chapters and that being a worthwhile investment over just hard investing into specific units all the time.
This + well exist for SP if really want to try to min max that type of stuff.
@@priestessii I usually would prefer doing that later on with vantage due to Pannette getting doubled, Ike/Pannette later on is kind of crazy just prefer for 2 or so chapters having a unit who can pull their weight as much as others even if that is a small investment to have a good unit for the rest of the run. (Leif Timerra good imo)
Picket timerra with a brave Lance and crit engraving with Ike emblem is the hand down best overall combat unit in this game she can tank off and sandstorm crit half of maps... I've had her hit over 400 smg in one hit in a quad chain the queen
I've been running her as picket with Ike and speed and dex passive, wondering if there was a better build, and now I'm sure I'm running her right.
I put corin on her for debufs
timerra is super cool 😎
Timera is the best final boss killer in the game and might be the best character in the game after Seadall and Anna.
She wasn't very good for me when I started her, but endgame she has been popping off. Sandstorm is so good and she can tank a little bit
First problem is that she joins with 2 very strong units Panette and Merrin.
So my next run is a draft with and Timerra is one of the units i picked, let's see if this build works.
Side note, Speed + X is superior to Build + X they cost the same, both increase AS, but spd can increase AS beyond the limit if the weapon is light enough., of course you can use both together to maximize AS
Speed isn't superior, I have a vid on it going live 1PM today :)
I would say both are useful and on similar level depending on the units bases and growth rate. Example Ivy has really good build but low to middling speed so she more than likely won't get doubled but won't double, so Speed+ is better for her than build. However a unit like Clanne has very high speed bases and growth however his Build is poor and bases are poor too. Bld will make him use majority heavy high damage tomes and Levin Sword easily and double quickly as forging the Levin Sword or most heavy tomes won't reduce weight.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Ok, gonna definitely check that to see what I have overlooked
@@magegeneral6988 as far i see it, there is no difference taking +3 Bld or +3 spd in that case, both cost 500 SP and both increase +3 AS, but spd +3 comes with the advantage of higher AS if your Bld is higher than the weapon weight, but let's see if Iced Coffee Gaming has something in his upcoming vid that I have overlooked
If only done one play through so hopefully this isn’t a dumb question. Can you not level a character to level 5 for the class skill and then change there class or do you lose it ?
No unfortunately, if you want to keep the class skill you need to stay in the class
@@lolozo214 thank you 🙏
I used her on my first play through not knowing how good she would be and I remember seeing tier lists with her in low tier and I remember thinking there is no way these people making these lists actually used her. She is insanely good even with low investment
Why not a wyvern run on the Lyn's paralogue?
Wouldn't be as hard as you think, I could warp dance the boss from almost anywhere on the map or spam bonded shield/tank either way :)
You didn’t mention her down side. And the a low build of 5. And she’s a lance user this dose not make any sense. The thing to fix her low build is lyn speed +3, or getting lief 4 chapters later to give her a build skill.
I love timerra honestly but that base str and growth is just sad. Same with Alcryst, fun to use, not really worth bringing if you already have a high str team.
Okay what what about swordmaster Timerra? You didn’t mention it but I’m planning on trying a brave sword swordmaster Timerra on the run where I made my alear a sage 😝
Ah the ol' noodle arm strat. Take the unit with mediocre strength bases and growths, put them in a class with mediocre strength growth and the least physically powerful brave weapon, and let them plink away.
why would you do that? you don't get sandstorm unless you leave her on her own promoted class
@@albertobarberacampos451 I know and because that’s boring….I got rid of all the personal classes and reclasses all the lords as basic classes most of them had strong abilities that honestly was making the game too easy and also because currently I’m doing a run where I can only use alear and the four first born royals and I figure having a sword user might be important since I turned alear into a sage (access to convoy and thus any stave he could possibly need for any situation) and Alfred has lances covered as a halberdier
I really can’t give ike to her because panette need ike too. Panette with ike far better form timerra with ike.
Imho shes only great when you feed her stat boosters, but thats anyone
She's been talked about in every 2nd or 3rd video at this point, so I feel like I've heard all these points already😂
I still stand by that she's almost a mid-game trainee with her noodle arm & not quite tank level defense + low build. Needing one of the very limited emblem rings you have in those chapters until she hits level 5 is a fairly large investment, and not something I'd really call low (emblem rings are the most contested resource until ~chapter 17). An off-tank who can't hit back for relevant damage early is tough to train without Miciah spam if you aren't familiar with what maddening is throwing at you, especially when the game just threw 3-4 absurdly cracked, out of the box characters in your face.
However, with the new DLC in my second maddening play through I've softened my stance on the trainee part a bit, as that new lance you're given fixes that strength issue in an absurd way. If Chloe isn't hogging it, she's probably the best user of it with a Sigurd engraving, which clears up almost all her early game offensive issues, and once she gets Sandstorm she really starts popping off.
I never had these issues and I've used her in 4 runs. I even deployed her late into a run to replace a bad early game unit I was running. In all of my runs I gave her a ton of statboosters on her brave lance build and the others at most she received 2 dex books which are not a contested resource.
Without Ike she can tank 2-3 enemies and deal decent damage on upgraded steel/silver lance or go for crits on a killer lance.
The only other unit I could think of that wants Ike during the middlegame is Goldmary or a unit that wants STR fixing, aside from that I don't really find middle game emblem rings to be a problem, most of my units perform on bond rings.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming You don't throw Ike on Panette for the biggest great aether damage?
All the other units can perform on bond rings, doesn’t make it optimal. Ike is your best physical emblem ring for a while and turns great units like Kagetsu, Merrin, Panette (to allow her to take a hit), and even Chloe into phenoms, whereas with Timmera it’s simply functional at the start.
The SP loss on those characters from using bond rings is important too, albeit maybe not as much as it was before the well came into play.
She has 15 strength and 18 defense without boosters or rings, and with the speed penalties from the weapons she’s not doubling much early either. On chapter 14 she can realistically tank 2 non flyers, or 1 promoted enemy, and will 2-3 RKO most enemies on an upgraded steel lance. If you’re giving her the best lance over someone like Chloe, that’s another layer of investment given Chloe is likely doing more with that lance at this point in the game.
None of this is me saying she’s not A tier, just that the investment level without feeding her a bit before she hits level 5 is not what I’d call low. My first run I couldn’t be bothered giving her Chloe’s weapons or forging another set of steel +3 weapons right away when the game just gave me a slew of S tier characters who want good weapons. It’s similar investment to Lapis, and a lot more than Merrin/Kagetsu/Panette/Pandreo, all of whom came within the last 2 chapters.
This run I gave her stuff though + made the investments after watching your videos and she’s been super fun to play!
@@priestessii your point on the first point is what I was trying to articulate - the time/efficiency gains of Ike on other units like Panette early is what makes me call this a medium investment (along with extra weapons, etc.)
The reason I mentioned Ike on the speedy units early is they don’t get anything else until after chapter 16/17 (Lucina is stapled to Alear for bonded shield and Lynn to Ivy, but that’s personal preference I guess) and increasing their sustain in the interim makes them more viable EP options with the increased defense + HP (the strength is really just a bonus).
Not hard to get her to level 5 by chapter 17 as long as you make the investment or know the maps inside out like Iced does after a few play throughs. On playthrough 1 though I’d just be cautious on taking on too many of these investments if you don’t know all the mechanics inside out yet.
One thing you gotta remember about Coffee's "investment" scale is that feeding some levels doesn't really seem to factor in much. This is the dude that rated Anna as "Medium" investment and Jean as "Low/Medium" investment in his tier list. Pretty much the poster children for trainee units, aka the "put a good amount of investment into me and I'll become good eventually" archetype. Anna, the axe fighter that comes with worse base stats than Boucheron, but 4+ battles later and requires an immediate second seal because she's in the wrong class line for her growths is "medium" because eventually she becomes good and doesn't require heavily forged weapons and stat boosters later.