How to actually use the Mage Cannoneer Class
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- This is a "quick" little guide, explanation, and demonstration of the Mage Cannoneer class.
Disclaimer, this is an end-game save and Panette got most of her stats from leveling as a Wyvern knight, your results may vary.
Proof, Panette is a god at any class lmao.
sage:
she died first round of the map
and I didn't care cause she ain't pretty on the eyes imo
@@JamFlexx Look guys, someone with bad taste
Except her own starting class, berserker
@@fuse197 to be fair, berserker is bad for everyone. Panette at least make it look vaguely okay.
Another damage skill for them could be the effective damage skill from soren since mage cannoneer has access to all the effective damage types
Ooh, yeah that's a good one. Doesn't hit quite as hard as lunar brace but has dual-phase capabilities
@@Or_ange Here is my Mage Cannoneer
Clanne Emblem Tiki
Mage Cannoneer
Lunar/Solar/Eclipse Brace +
Keen Insight +
Stats from Emblem
(Hp+10 Def+4 Lck+10)
Stats from Skill
(Def/Res +5)
Basic Stats
Hp: 73 (+10) 83
Bld: 18
Str: 46
Mag: 22
Dex: 45
Spd: 25
Def: 47 (+9) 56
Res: 23 (+5) 28)
Lck: 31 (+10) 41
Combat stats
Ph Atk 51
Hit 199
Avo 70
Crit 0
Ddg 41
Holy Blast
Mt 6 Hit 70 Crit -80
Wt 15 Avo 0 Ddg 0
Effective vs Corrupted
Tornado Blast
Mt 6 Hit 70 Crit -80
Wt 15 Avo 0 Ddg 0
Effective vs Fliers
Wyrm Blast
Mt 6 Hit 70 Crit -80
Wt 15 Avo 0 Ddg 0
Effective vs Dragon
Rider Blast
Mt 6 Hit 70 Crit -80
Wt 15 Avo 0 Ddg 0
Effective vs Cavalry
Armor Blast
Mt 6 Hit 70 Crit -80
Wt 15 Avo 0 Ddg 0
Effective vs Armored
Why I gave him Tiki
Stat boosts
Geosphere + At start of player phase, if there are allies adjacent to unit, grants Def/Res+5 to unit and those allies for 1 turn.
Lifesphere ++ If unit uses Wait without attacking or using items, restores 40 HP and heals status effects.
Lightsphere If unit initiates combat, halves chance of receiving critical hit from foe.
Draconic Form Unit transforms into and fights as a dragon while engaged. Grants +10 to max HP and +5 to Bld and all basic stats.
[Armored] Negates terrain damage.
This is an incredibly useful guide! When I first heard of the Mage Cannoneer, I assumed it would be a strictly magic damage but this shows that' couldn't be more wrong.
I made Amber my dedicated Mage Cannoneer for his personal skill which grants hit+20 when no ally unit is adjacent to Amber and his target. I use Edelgard’s Bracelet for the flame, shield, and poison gambit, skills are Str/Dex+5 and Draconic Hex.
He’s my debuffer to soften fast enemies for my slow units to finish off.
Dude… what…
It is better to use Rosado divine pulse + heavy attack. You can save SP and save panette for a crit build that uses her personal skill. Also, divine pulse can make attacks with 0 hit 50%. If you use venom shot, you can make even bosses poisoned from the furthest range.
Thanks for the idea. I always wanted to use Rosado but I'm not a huge fan of wyvern class
How do I get Heavy Attack?
@@camb2xtra817 Skill inherit from the Hector bracelet
Correction hit on cannons are calculated by str+ dex+ build+ 1/2 luck+ support bonus -((distance if >=4)×10)
Do you really meet to worry to much about enemy phase with a weapon that can only counter against 4 enemy unit types that aren't super common?
@@superape013 I couldn’t even think of any besides other mage cannoneer which is one in one map or like sombron maybe iirc
@Liam meteor makes appear in later maps in story on hard and maddening also there are ballista in a few maps like Leif's paralogue and the mage batista you find in chapter 10 and in a few chapters later on
@@superape013 I thought you couldn’t counter ballistae at all. Iirc bolting didn’t counter when in range for them
@Liam I wouldn't know I havnt done Leif's paralogue with mage cannoneer yet maybe you can't but you should be able to with the rest
I use Lucina on my mage cannon for Dual Attack shenanigans along with Lunar brace+ and canter+ to reposition after each Attack
The most important thing is how good Panette looks in that outfit. And she looks fantastic.
Pandreo Mage Cannoneer with Corrin. I can lock down a group of enemies, dance, and lock down a 2nd group of enemies. All enemies get stat-nerfed in the process and 2 get poisoned. So much crowd control from a distance, it’s actually insane.
Ive been using Draconic Hex for my Cannoneer Jeane and its honestly pretty good. just hit bosses and other tough units with the poison projectile and they are pretty much done for.
Draconic Hex is seriously underrated as an inheritable. Especially with Mage Cannon since Armors aren't really the best Corrin holders. In another playthrough I'll probably try a support oriented Mage Cannon and see how good it is.
@@Or_ange the best thing is that you dont even have to hit the enemy for draconic hex to proc. Just attacking him is enough.
Feels like a waste to use panette for mage cannoneer, since you're giving up a good str/crit unit to have a class that never crits. Etie has a +2 str/dex cap, which makes her more viable. Another interesting pick would be Clanne, who has 1str + 2dex cap, and could gain more hit while next to alear to make up for far ranged hits. I do agree that boucheron and timerra are good options though.
Lunar brace(+) seems nice, but limits you away from the magic cannon options. However, the magic ones are kind of meh anyways, so I like this setup (since it slams armored units even harder).
Holdout+++ on Roy & reprisal+ is crazy.
Although, I'm still not a fan of mage cannoneer since it's sucha heavily player-phase based class.
Panette has really high HP/STR/DEX right out of the box and excellent growths in all of them, so she really only needs SP/Bond Points to get going (and access to the skills, since it takes a while after she joins to get Roy) Plus, while her crit builds are nice, they typically require sending her into melee range, and a lot of the later chapters make it really difficult to do this and still survive. (crit builds are pretty much only good for diving bosses, and this build can one-shot them still) I'd say prior to Roy's chapter you can run her with Ike for a standard crit build, then reclass and use Roy and you'll get good use out of Mage Cannon for the end-game maps.
Obviously at the end of the day use whoever you want. Any unit that has decent HP, and good STR/DEX will work well with Mage Cannon.
@@Or_ange Melee isnt an issue for Panette imo, especially since she has dagger inherency. For my postgame I use Panette as a wolf rider & Cinquedea+5 & fates engrave & roy & wrath + vantage. (could replace roy with ike so you can swap wrath with reprisal+, as ike already provides it)
This nets my Panette at capped stats:
>110 crit (20 [weapon] + 30 [engrave] + 20 [41 dex/2] + 10 [passive] + 30 [wrath] = 110).
69 (72) atk (40 [wolf base] + 3 [Panette cap] + 22 [+5 cinquedea] - 2 [fates] + 6 [roy, 9 if engaged])
This creates an instant deletion zone outside of the rare occasions (capped griffins have 35 luck, so still missing ~80+ crits). Even capped generals (86hp + 55def) die in nearly all cases when engaged (3x(72-55)x2 = 3x17x2 = 102), though tanking too many generals isnt ideal since theyll hit you. Ofc thorons will be a pain too, but they are for nearly all classes. Qi adepts can break you, but they miss most of the time or you can position/focus around them.
But for the main game we can replace cinquedea with steel dagger+5 (10 less crit and 6 less mt). Thats still a lot of damage, and ~100 crit after a couple levels. Wolf knights fix Panette's hit/spd issues in most cases, her high str makes up for the class's low str cap, and roy lets that class move 7 while engaged.
Really enjoy the house leaders bracelet bc you can get long reached field control through flame gambit and double poison debuffs via poison gambit with the upside of extra damage while engaged
Venom cannon applies three stacks of poison already so the gambit would only be for the other shots
@@superape013 today I learned
I'm on a casual run so I made Vander my Cannoneer. Its hilarious.
Mage Cannonneer "So it's an armored mage, neat, I bet it uses MAG for damage"
Actual class swaps DEX and STR for caluclations.
Me: WTF game, this makes no sense.
Without a new game plus, there's nothing to use these ideas and builds on.
Just made Etie one. Actually makes her useful
Wouldn’t she benefit if she had vantage? If she’s at low health, and you have reprisal + she may be able to take down an enemy before they take her down.
What’s up with the dragon units? I really like Nel from what I’ve played of the xenologue so far.
Also enchanter any use?
Enchanter buffs are just plain broke plus in late game since its qi adept you can use it with a lucina user plus seadall to apply enchanter buffs and then bonded shield (ideally I'd say framme since she has arts proficiency +1 she can get flashing fist art while on enchanter plus she has some of the best supports in the game)
This is so helpful! Thank you!
Why does everyone say al-e-air and not uh-leer like clear??
Mia ring for shove to post the contract unit
Giving your mage cannoneer Lucina turns them into a backup which is funny but definitely not good
A nice note is the chip damage from chain attack and you could use bonded shield still but definatly not worth it in the long run in my opinion
I only at chap 17 maddening atm, im using reprisal + divine pulse and tiki
Amazing video, i think this class is very fun even without the full kit
Panette being able to use canoneer doesn't make the class good tho she's basically carrying the class that's so bad. She basically fixes any bad class in this game and makes them viable without Erikia shenanigans like sword master (I know sword master isn't the worst class it's mediocre but its just an example)
I made Boucheron my Mage Cannoneer but he does not look as good as yours statwise. I promoted him from his base class, should I have promoted him to an advanced class first? I'm sad because he is underperforming but idk what to do to fix him.
Nice video anyways, I love how you explained everything, very detailed, it helped me to understand the class better!
Yeah, Poor Bouch does not have the stats to instantly reclass to Mage Cannon, he needs a little bit of time in something that will help with his strength. It would probably be worthwhile to try Warrior with Starsphere for 10-20 levels before reclassing.
But otherwise, as long as you can patch up his strength, Bouch will be great as a mage cannon.
@@Or_ange Thank you so much! I will definetely try doing that, although I suppose the game will ask me to buy another Mage Cannoneer seal 💀💀
Panette is an S tier combat carry and investing 6K SP into Reprisal+ is a tall order. People say stat wise Boucheron is a good Mage Cannoneer and since he's otherwise useless he seems like a good choice rather than wasting Kagetsu or Panette. OTOH I'm not using Panette at all in my current maddening run so whatever.
A fun mage cannoner build has been hit +20, canter for movement. With lyn ring. The duplicates also proc when attacking woth mage cannoneer for an additional 4 hits. I put it on jade her hit rate is 96% at lowest and the duplicates normally do an additional 4-6 dmg per duplicate. And the canter isn't as necessary but it allows her to keep pace with everyone.
Panette is winning yet again
I did jade with sorens keen insight, flat +7 on effective types
Actually wondering if there is any chance to get a crit with her personal Skill, Wrath & some kind of Emblem engraving even after getting -80 Crit from the canons itself.
Also great video & nice Build ideas!
Doesn't seem like it. I think Lindon has the best odds cause his personal is +20 but i think he still falls short and the cannons have high weapon ranks so you wouldn't even be able to use it much.
Super video, love it and well needed! I could have love however to get information about wich units are great on this. I heard about Rosado and Bucheron so far. Anyways, have a great night!
Are there any good alternative characters for this class that you would recommend?
I already have Panette as a Warrior class unit with Lyn equipped, along with the inherit skills Wrath and Vantage++. She can solo carry my entire team through crits lol, so I don't really feel like changing her build.
In preparation for mage cannon as a backup I gave a backup unit soren to test
And a Dragon unit with Veronica and Contract boosts its damage as well
So mage cannoneer is basically just a gimmicky meme build
You can use them for a meme build like in the video or you can use them for long range support effects and chip damage
@@superape013 have you ran mage cannoneer for maddening into late game? What skills would you recommend I see a few that would make them viable . Perhaps divine pulse, keen insight, hit+, draconic hex possibly
@LJ Thompson there is also things like str/dex 5 which gives +10 to your hit and +5 to your damage and depending on how bad your build growth has been you could look at heavy attack from Hector to add just a bit of extra damage divine pulse would be more character dependent since running byleth on a long range unit is rough and inheriting it would cut back from damage fixing and extra utility
IF you can get everything to pop off they can one shot enemies from afar but even that isn't guaranteed in the late game. Even a 50 damage shot won't necessarily kill an enemy. Conclusion: not worth the investment. Use it with Divine Pulse+ and Draconic hex as a utility debuff unit.
Whatever floats your boat, man, but this is an end game Panette that already had Reprisal inherited and I threw all this together a couple days after the class went live.
It does one shot every enemy in the game and Panette has just the right stats to do it with 80-90% accuracy even at long ranges.
Whether or not that's worth the investment is up to you, my guy
@@Or_ange Sure, it's neat and all. I'm just saying it's 6K SP investment and there's just no way to justify that. Or you do like I did and keep Veronica on Panette, which is also a tough sell because of losing out on contract, fortify+, etc.
Nah, most carries have max power skills on them and they're 5k sp, an extra 1k for reprisal is nothing. Really it's the extra like 3-4k for lunar brace that's excessive
Ally-Air😂
Lmaaaoooo still
but you came back tho
Thanks for the guide.
Out of curiosity.. woukd Mage cannon with Lucina to make backup attack range 'yes' work?
Yep, you'll be able to Chain attack from stupid long ranges. Lucina's effectiveness on an Armor is.... Debatable though. More than welcome to try it though!
@Or_ange I think the main synergy is the huge backup attack range paired with the poison blast. Your also fairly tanky for holding a bonded support together.
All this tells me is that mage cannoneer is, in fact, not a mage. Such a freaking waste to to have the class be named this and then not have it be a play on high-defense tome-wielders, as a subversion of mages usually having low defenses. I don’t think long range units have ever been useful (look at the ballista class from Fates).
Given that we are sorely missing some classes in this game, especially magic-orienter ones, I had hoped they would give us Dark Flier, Assassin, etc. Enchanter and Mage Cannoneer are just disappointing.
maybe i missed it, but how did u get 6 move on her? do u have access to more boots?
Mhmm. 2 boots. I was only gonna use one, but forgot I had already given her one so oops. But definitely only need 1 boots.
@@Or_ange was quietly praying there was a way to get more than 2 boots (T_T)
@@Valevwong I think with DLC you get a total of 4 boots in one playthrough? Something like that. TBH though, I never find myself needing more than 1 or 2 in a playthrough.
On maddening, you're going to need DP, the accuracy at longer ranges just isn't there. DP with reprisal is probably the best thing you can do.
Though, if you want to waste hundreds of gold, you can weapon surge a canon with enchanter for accuracy
This is on maddening
@@Or_ange people really underestimate how much supports flip accuracy.
Also, Panette has huge strength and build, which helps even more.
Why is enemy phase a concern for this class at all?
It's not for the cannon. It's for the engage weapons. We're using enemy phase to take damage and power up reprisal, it's nice to have an equally lethal enemy phase and player phase when you can
Just wanted to comment that you had 420 subs when I subbed
Basically without reprisal tricks the damage output is so garbage that the class is only useful to freeze enemies or apply stacks of poison.
I would argue that Roy isn't as great on them as you say it is. I think Lucina is just generally better for them because 1) Bonded Shield and All For One aren't really useful in general, and if you do need to use them then it's not too hard to get into that position. 2) Her Dex bonus is really good for damage output and for accuracy. 3) The range they can Dual Strike from guarantees you will almost always get it to proc, and that's just generally a very good thing to have.
Bonded shield isn't useful? What? Bonded shield is probably the most gamebreakingly powerful ability in the game.
Yeah I can agree on everything else, but bonded shield is the best skill in the game
@@patrickripleyiii134 all for one is harder to use, but it's still very strong and ignores defenses.
Yeah but all for one is hard to set up, bonded shield is incredibly easy
How are you guys getting dual assist to proc? My cannoneer has dual assist + and they have never chained even being next to the enemy
I wouldn't call this busted in that the amount of investment required could easily make any unit or class seem busted. If your investing 3 units to making 1 unit stronger plus putting nearly 10K SP into a unit one would hope they would be broken XD. It's a wild amount of investment to go into a single unit but it is cool to see the class do something rather then nothing like it will for most people.
Don't forget the amount of Gold you have to pay if you want more than one unit to have these classes
It's also simply not worth it. All that investment to one shot guys from a distance, maybe, when a lesser invested combat unit with vantage could kill 20 enemies in a row on enemy phase.