It's nothing new. I busted my butt for my first job out of college in the early 90s. They had no problem telling me "sorry, he's your last check plus 2 weeks severance." But of course the guy who owned the company and his girlfriend who were embezzling money weren't taking a pay cut as well. They want you your loyalty but won't give it in return. I learned my lesson very quickly.
When a company says "We are like family here", run .. what they mean is they want you to work as hard as they would for their own company, but not pay you what you are worth. When a company says, "You have the opportunity to learn a lot of different skills through our cross training program" ... run ... what they mean is you will work in various departments doing 2 to 5 different jobs and get paid for only one of them.
Yep. Been there, done that, got out ASAP. So many employees were taken advantage of & stressed to the max. Turnover was crazy. Many who stayed were brainwashed into thinking that treatment was ok. Dysfunctional "families" defy all professionalism.
A lot of companies are starting to call themselves "Employee owned"! What I see in that phrase is , yes, the company owns their employees! Not the other way around!
But I will tell you that business owners and employers feel the stress when employs use their good nature / caring attitudes / empathy to take advantage and call for time off and whatnot I don’t think employers shouldn’t be empathetic, but they also have a business to run, with rent due and bills due and a plethora of things to manage and worry about. Many moving parts, multiple employees Each industry is different but every industry I’ve been in, when I’ve gotten close to the owners, they are the most stressed out people in the world Retail, restaurant, service, automotive, healthcare/clinics/pharmacies, etc
I feel we are back in the era of the industrial revolution days. Do the job of 2 to 3 people. Give us a pizza and a pat on the back and the CEO makes 20 times your salary and golfs on his 3 hour lunch.
Most of them are job justifiers that suffer from meetingitus. They don't actually do anything and if they were laid off, virtually none of them would be missed.
@Freespeech2 companies double down and promote bullies just to torture their workers it's entertaining to them. They don't want longevity they want new workers at the lowest wage rate to keep costs down.
@@mcleananderson4948they're Grifters and have no self-respect, knowing they do little to nothing while getting paid 6 figure salaries shame on employees that kiss up to these monsters they have no self respect either
I'm tired of having to work 12hrs a day Monday to Friday and 6hrs part time just to be able to afford my home(same price as renting), groceries, vehicle and insurance. I'm exhausted.
@chemquests While i would like a higher paying job i already make 34$ an hour which 6yrs back would be higher middle class. Just everything expensive and now that 34$ has the same buying power 25$ had a few years back. I mean just go to your local grocery store and cereal is over 5$ and chips as well. Houses at all times high as well as rent. Car insurance has gone up.
You didn't really hurt my eyes sounds more like you don't understand that the average person doesn't have a nice cushy job that pays over 100k a year. And that inflation is way higher than 10%. It's just facts that the younger generation is getting the short end of the stick while all the baby boomers who ruined the economy get to retire comfortably. Yet we are anticipating social security is going to run out before 2050. Pensions are not a thing anymore. There's plans to tax unrealized gains. Now, what do you have to say about that?
@@ISILENTNINJAI of course there’s been inflation, and I’m being a little silly. That said, 66 hours per week at $34/hour is still high middle. The median household is at ~$78k/year, so you’re well beyond that. If you need a break, you should be able to afford it, but I don’t know your personal circumstances. My dad always said it’s easier to spend less than to make more, so you’ve got to decide what’s going to give. Best of luck!
Too many corporate people think they can manage people. You manage "things". So many managers never understand that people are not "things". You LEAD people.
A company is not family. A job is not a marriage. The employer has an obligation to pay a fair wage, provide a safe work environment, offer fair working conditions. The employee needs to show up, have their head in the game, do a good job (in the eyes of the employer). Often neither side is holding up their end of the deal. In either large or small companies. Important to understand-BOTH employers and employees are broken.
no the employer is irreparably broken while the employee is now more productive and working more hours than their parents or their grand parents while getting paid a fraction of what generations before were paid.
@@randomkyle3why do you think we are working more? My dad used to work at two different jobs in Brazil and today, as an engineer, I maybe work 8-9 hours with a plus of 2-3 hours studying, improving and getting better at something. Comparing my dad’s work and my life, I can’t even think about complaining. The original comment is right. A company is not a family and a job is not a marriage. It’s a situation where both sides have to win and in my opinion, your commitment to yourself, is a “forever game ” where it is up to you on how to use this time, improve your skills. We are blessed to be living and working at this time because many people in the past could only choose to survive!
Yes that may be true, but what’s more important to remember is that responsibility falls on the employer. It’s called accountability. All directions come from the top. People can cry and complain about the quality of employees going down, but that’s the responsibility of leadership in the organization to correct. Blaming things on your employees is a sign of poor management and poor leadership.
I work at an amazing company (furniture manufacturing) with amazing people. I worked in I.T. help desk and our manager took each of the people in his department out each month for a one-on-one lunch meeting to ask us how we are doing and how things are going for us at work. It was due to one of these meetings that I switched from I.T. to metal fabrication (yes, I.T. to welding... still for the same company though) and now I actually look forward to going to work. I get to create and build things instead of just fixing things that are broken. Both of you have had a positive impact on my life, and you gave me the courage to make a change when I wasn't happy instead of just plowing on. Thanks.
What broke it? - Accountants and "educated" supposed leaders. Employees are nothing more than nameless, faceless line items on a spreadsheet. You ARE a "human resource" - once companies moved from "Personnel" to HR - it killed the employer / employee relationship. The "leader" only cares about their spreadsheet of the moment and their next bonus, and if that means headcount cuts and people suffer - they simply don't care. More, more, more - use up the employees until they break, quit or get cut - then replace, outsource or push the work on who remains.
@@TheDomiiNation13 No - bookkeepers are employees, accountants in corporations are simply a function of the manipulation of the money and stock values to generate bonuses and false dividends that no longer align with realistic profit margins and actual growth.
12 min in & they Need to discuss Living wage. I’m tired of being told I’m getting at the higher end of the scale & my dollar don’t go far, I’m exhausted of not being able to pay my bills.
I survived like 20 layoffs in my company. It was extremely traumatizing. People around me were let go in the middle of the week, and in mortgage people are still looking for work. From 2 years ago. . . Mortgage workers were blacklisted across companies they could take their skills to because the companies didn't want to take a chance on them thinking they would quit as soon as the market turns around. Its been 2 years. These people need jobs...
So many people have seen their family let go for quarterly profits, lose retirements, and getting jobs not paying the prior. When you treat employees like a number then expect your business to be a number to employees.
Effective leadership is empathetic, relationship-driven, inspirational, and one who is courageous. How does one have courage? By having support around them who believe in them, especially when responsibilities of the role become overwhelming and tough decisions need to be made. Support is not only employee based. It entails family, friends, colleagues etc. The major issue is leadership is not taught in the workplace. Management is taught in the workplace. Anyone can be a leader, but only if they want to be. It is a skillset that requires ongoing practice. You are not born a leader. You have to choose to be one.
I hate when a boss or coworker asks about personal shit. I struggle to say enough to be polite and move on. Damn, let’s just work. It is so fake…..stop it!
The problem is not that they're asking, it's that the interest is false. When you have real people who care about you as a human, not as a cog in the machine, it makes a huge difference.
I surely don't want my boss to ask how I'm doing? Give me a fricken pay raise and stop expecting me to now do three peoples work load since the other two employees quit.
Dr. John talks about teachers and the work teachers do. The level of responsibilities expected of teachers is unbelievable. A parent told a teacher that it was her job to potty train her child. The mother had NO desire to train her child. It's a very, very sad day. Good luck
A great solution would be culture change. If we could stop demanding immediate service for all our wants and needs, companies would be less inclined to press 24/7 staffing. We need to be less demanding culturally, and learn to make do without things until the next business day, or after the weekend is over, or after the holiday.
That's exactly right! My account executive kept asking me when I was going to get the forecast done, and I asked her, is there a special time that you need it done? And she said, well we need it done as fast as possible just so we can have it ready. And that's the kind of stuff we're talking about. She doesn't actually have a deadline, she just wants it done so she can say that it's done. That's the type of stuff that drives me nuts. Is the arbitrary deadlines from people that don't even matter. And if you don't get it done, then you're going to get the axe
@@NeighborhoodWatchMann right! I think both sides put high priority on low priority items. The boss didn’t “need” the forecast report yet. I also think a house doesn’t “need” to talk about a billing issue or get tracking for a package after 5/6pm. If we could say no to certain customer demands, or stop being demanding customers, the workplace wouldn’t be as tense. It’s great that America is highly productive, but we need to set boundaries, learn contentment, and stop burning out our best talent.
It is due to the workplace they constantly promote toxic people who seed toxicity employees vying to be the favorite. I don’t care to be the favorite . I just want some peace
When you have a boss sending 10 plus emails on a Saturday and Sunday and you never get a break 😮 I’m going to stop looking. My personal life should matter.
The bosses are waiting to retire. They have worked up the ladder for years, they're ready to leave emotionally but financially they need to stick around for their pension.
It's very apparent! That's the way my director is. We need to hire an analyst, and the first thing he said is, hire somebody we don't have to train. So I said, do you want me to look at people in the past who we've let go to come back? Because that's the only way that you're going to give somebody that you're not going to have to train. He just looked at me. And I looked at him, and told him, you're going to have to train at least a little bit for them to understand the business, the systems, and the common practices.
I don’t agree with what they are saying completely. Wages are not matching inflation, yet employers want super hard workers, and investment. A studio apartment can take a month of wages. The classes are massively separating.
I worked for a company for 17 years lost my job when I got hurt at work. “Distant family” took 6 months of therapy to walk again with a cane. My aunt told me when I got hurt to not file disability that they would take care of all my medical bills. Two months back in work they fired told me I’m to slow now…. Thankfully I started a business and doing pretty good and I’ll never work for someone again..
I love working and will never retire. That being said, companies got rid of health insurance, retirement, they used to say stay there 20 years and get the perks. Now they offer nothing. You are working with team members that are poorly managed. Everyone has drama going on and needs to leave early or take off.
People always want to leave because of the garbage conditions at work. Myself included. I had to fake work injury just to take a mental health break (I'm autistic) for my sanity because nobody cares about my needs or whether I'm ok or not. Fuck this modern world and the work that keeps it going.
I noticed Ken said 'work is a third of our day,' but if the average person has a useable 13 hours/day, and works 8 hrs, not including those who commute, it could be 75% of their day
I just got promoted to manager and this conversation comment come at a better time. I feel like I need to come back and listen to this twice a month. Please keep on this topic it write a book.
Ai and computers make work 10x more efficient, but that benefit never trickles down to workers, who still get paid hourly while the owners watch their net profit increase
The managerial class and the governmental class are taking an increasingly large cut. The s&p return over the last 25 years has been 7.16%. There’s been a lot of volatity during that time.
As a natural and incredible leader, i keep getting overlooked for jobs because companies dont value us. I have education plus experience. I might just have more kids and just give up and be a mom some more.
Yeah with that attitude, and your gender, no you're not going to be a leader I'm sorry. You're going to run it like your house. And you're going to treat your underlings like your children. They see that, and they can sense it
Your employer doesn't have leaders. They have bosses. You are a tool to be used and discarded when you are no longer able to perform your task to the bosses satisfaction.
As a manager I always ask almost everyone on shift almost every day how they are, updates on their days off or health or their children...before I tell them to do specific work. They already all know their own job and I'd rather them be mentally happy or stable or positive before anything else. And I'm genuinely interested in them. And people can feel it when you care.
I hate when my boss ask how I'm doing. It's like she is playing in my face. She knows how I feel about the place but nothing changes so what is the point of asking me a question you already know the answer to. You just want to piss me off so I will go off.
I’d be beyond ANNOYED at this. Too many so called bosses & managers are damn ENTITLED & flat out narcissistic. It’s none of your business & you should not feel like you even have the right to ask this shit EVERY damn day. That’s outrageous 😵💫
Solve for peace at home? I think most people would say their constant stress from being overworked directly contributes to the stress at home. People need to leave work at office. Stop being connected and available to the office when you are supposed to be resting. Stop answering emails at night right before you go to bed. Then we have the ever so popular scheduling meetings during the lunch hour. I tell my wife all the time that she needs to retake her lunch hour, start declining meetings during her preferred lunch time. Pretty soon people will take the hint and stop scheduling them!
Unfortunately... they will say it's an expectation of the job and its how their workplace culture functions. Then start making a list of how she doesn't meet expectations and look to either bully her out or fire here.
Companies often make poor decisions where upper management receives praise and recognition for their ideas, while lower-level employees are left to handle the mess those decisions create.
This reminds me of the advice that one shouldn't give abusers therapy because it only makes them better abusers. Managers are users, and their goal is to squeeze as much productivity out of an employee as possible, then discard the employee. By giving this kind of advice, you just make them more effective at using and discarding people.
Lol I don’t see that as true. I’m sure it is for quite a bit, but I think for the large majority, they’d like to be less ‘abusive’ and more empathetic, but while also maintaining productivity
PK-12 Schools, particularly public schools, often act more like social service agencies than academic institutions now. We often have to link families to food, clothing, healthcare, and sometimes housing to keep them afloat. This alone creates extra stress beyond the basics like reading, writing, and math which were our most basic concerns about 25 to 50 years ago. Just a note here from a PK-8 School Librarian who has worked in and out of education for almost 28 years in rural and urban environments.
I just started listening to this podcast, and I disagree with the assessment that outside factors that are being brought into the workplace are causing the employee workplace burnt out and stress levels that we are seeing today. It’s the other way around, the workplace stress is causing the problems in the employee’s personal lives. I’m not married and I have no children, my personal life is as peaceful as can be, but there are many days after working, that I’m lucky to find my way home because of the mental exhaustion and unrealistic demands that are placed on me. Years ago, three people did the job of what one person is now doing in the workplace. These employers are also ruling by fear over the employee. Fear that if you don’t do enough, quick enough to their satisfaction and complete unrealistic expectations, that you can and will be replaced as if you never even existed in the first place there. Thus causing great impact to you and your family. This is how they are getting away with this treatment of the employee. People like to say you should have six months worth of expenses saved up in case something happens. I don’t know too many people who can do this with the inflation and stagnant raises that have been an issue for a very long time, plus, if you are raising children, this becomes even more impossible. The cards are stacked against the employee in the employee/employer relationship. I do expect to see a change in the next ten years in the workplace when these younger generations are coming into the workplace as they are not going to tolerate the way things have been. I’m GEN X, who was raised by Boomers, who thought if you worked hard, you got ahead in this world, but sadly, this is not the case. You do get something for doing this, you get more work and responsibility with no or very little extra pay and the younger generations know this. They’ve seen it happen to their parents and are not going to tolerate it. So, I think you will see with the younger generations, a lot more moving very quickly between jobs when their, not the employer’s needs, are not being met. Where my generation and the ones before me stayed at these jobs on the false promise of loyalty. These employers will have to change how they do business to keep their turnover down, which negatively impacts their bottom line, to keep these younger generations from jumping ship and keep them at their company. That’s how the employee can effectuate change to the employer, by hitting the employer’s bottom line. The almighty bottom line. I do agree that technology has caused major issues in our work/life balance. We are too accessible now. You can text and email a person anytime 365 days a year and it blurs the line between work and life to where that line doesn’t even exist anymore. We have evolved in technology so fast it’s as if we got whip flash from it. It’s too much, we are too connected and it is taking a toll on us in every aspect of our lives.
😅 yes. . I agree. My resume shows this. 86's and we have more work credits than you'd think, but also more job titles than all other generations think is appropriate with experience in about every industry at most entry level jobs. In addition most of us have at least a few more college hours than those with simple AAS associate degrees as well... AND NO ONE wants to hire us 🤷🤣
Here is another story that dovetails nicely with your discussion. It’s about wage stagnation in the US and outlines historic factors that play a huge role in the current stressed workforce - not taking away from your points. It’s called “Why Everyone is Quitting the 40 Hour Workweek”. It also provides the reasons why Keynesian economic ideas failed and how the promise of productivity through technology didn’t provide relief but instead fueled corporate greed (my summary) to the detriment of workers and the middle class. It’s like the frog being boiled slowly. Workers didn’t really realize how screwed they were until it became utterly unbearable. The pressure points of social media and leadership style can’t compete against the overall stew we have found ourselves in.
Good show! I like your show Ken Coleman! Keep it up! I love that you speak honestly about leaders and upper class, it’s from a whole new perspective. It’s honest, real and transparent.
One of the best moves I made professionally, was to turn down a promotion. It would have meant an OK pay raise, but *loads* of extra responsibilities, quagmire meetings, and more than a dozen direct reports. Hitting that Decline button was one of the heaviest burdens I've ever had lifted from my shoulders. It annoyed senior management, but I've not regretted it at all.
because people complained about privacy invasion. boundaries matter! also, managers are not there to be social workers or therapists. it is a job. they manage your work. your job is to manage your mental health.
You know what buned me out is making 50k a year watching my savings dwindle while people make 10k a month to show their b hole online. Also, the fact i can't get a higher paying job without 60k in debt for a paper proving that i can do what i already do. The employers domt even look at my cv without a bachelor's on it.
Wow this video was incredible. Thank you for all of your wisdom and guidance to living a more peaceful and purposeful life. Also, Ken when you pulled out a pencil and paper towards the end🥹a pencil!✏️ (for those who don’t know, you can use it to write out your thoughts on a thin peace of material called paper).
This is so true, that even this episode made me stressed. Because now I realize I am stressed and do my life wrong way, which makes me even more stressed. Once again, more information overload :D
I think the employee and employer dynamic is changing dramatically, it may look very different in 10 years. We have 100 people in our org with no employees.
The investor class who feeds off walls street dictates that Corporate America priorities put employees at the bottom. Wall Street is a mechanism that’s is designed to extract wealth from the people. Investors are priority one.
It's because everybody's running a skeleton crew. Everybody's doing four or five jobs. You cannot keep putting more and more work on people, with less pay, and make them happy. This is what we're facing. If you're a nurse, you're doing the job of like five nurses. Same thing with every other job. However we all know that the population is increasing, but we're getting less and less workers? And that's not because people don't want to work. That's because companies don't want to pay people. For example, we need an analyst on my team, but for this last 6 months they've been dragging their feet. So I've been footing the bill for the analyst. And I can already tell you they're thinking, well he can do the analyst role and the demand planning role, let's just keep it that way for as long as we can. And that's what gets people to leave. Of course it's already made me sour, so I've already done quiet quitting. And now I'm just waiting for them to fire me because I'm only working like an hour a day because of what they've done to me
I worked as clerical for a S. Florida school district. When I retired, my position wasn't filled. The money plus more went to hire more nurses for the department. Found out they monitored Health Techs at schools to decide what changes could be made, not nursing. Diretor (a nurse) could justify more nurses, couldn't find-keep financials for clericals to keep up with nurse demands. I was told I worked far out of my job title. A yearly 3 month "required " project was reduced to a video schools called in for to have "volunteers " view and follow-up. The director loved getting the awards for the department, wouldn't know clericals existed. There were only 2 clericals when I left for 20 people, and no hires stayed longer than getting experience to move out.😂
Nurse here… it doesn’t help healthcare if we all “nurses” are working towards getting out. You said we have a society that needs doctors, nurses, teachers, police officers, but then turn around and say work towards leaving. How about the work culture needs to change?????!!! The paperwork and hoops need simplified. Patients should come first… but you say to work towards leaving bedside. I’m confused. The 12 hour shifts are brutal. These guys are delusional living in their glass mansions.
Healthcare is so broken! It’s a profit driven system that sucks all the healthcare workers dry! Upper management doesn’t care even though they spew all the platitudes while handing you a crappy piece of pizza !
I've seen this at my current job here in Denver in 2024, the companies silent labor goal is get employees for well under the poverty level and cross train them to do 4 different jobs in various departments and at the end of a 90 day review your going to get .25. Not many realise they should be getting $5 more for there position and even more if cross trained to do other jobs. There are employees that have been there for 2 years and zero raise in pay and a lady that was there for 6 asked for a $1 raise and they said no so she quit and not having her screwed up production because she was the most valuable and productive person in her department.
In the last three years, I have never encountered the level of narcissistic "leaders" in my entire 30 year career. Every single one of them never did the job and were scared to lose their incomes. I do not know how this happened, but hiring practices must be a critical component to starting the fix.
I'm listening to this as I'm working at 8:30 pm because they fired my boss in June with a half baked plan on what to do without her. Her replacement quit after 90 days because of their plan is apparently less than half baked and I don't have time to look for a new job 😫
Id love to have a manager like this again. At least I'm fortunate enough I've have them before and I know how to recognize a great leader, mentor, and caring manager.
Iam 52 woman .working for a sweden IT company.from home we work with US telecom companies ( Att&t. Tmobile etc)...I am located on Mexico... so we earn less than in the US... we got a lot of mental health tools and meetings from my company at the end as you said. Is not enough... I am so exhausted.. I got more an more workload.. never say No because I have a mortgage to pay.. and in our culture as single parent.. groceries..and cleaning is all on us... I have 40 days vacations still pending to take. No complaining... just validating that this is worldwide
How can we have this conversation without look at what the workplace has done to the family? This is obvious Ken. Average work week has decreased over time, but hours worked per household has drastically increased! When I go to work that’s me clocking OUT. When I get home my wife and I have trash, dishes, laundry, cooking, 2 kids to take care of (who we never see) and guess what… grandma and grandpa both STILL WORK. There is no more support because everyone is employed. If my wife quit, we would struggle. Let alone be able to provide a better life for our kids. It won’t change until we get wages to a point where one parent can stay home. Everyone has two if not three jobs. And we wonder why everyone is burnt out.
I don't need my boss to take care of me more care about me. I don't need anyone to take care of me as I can take care of myself by myself. I just go and do what I got to do and then do more than what other co-workers won't do for the company. I have accepted this until I either die or get pulled up to be gathered in the air with Jesus. My life is short compared to eternity with Jesus... That is why I am not bothered by not being cared about or for by immortal man.
Don't work for a family owned business. I did it several times. Family members of the owner will be in all the higher paying, managerial positions. Often the adult children of the owners have substance abuse problems because they know no matter how many days they call in sick due to partying the night before, they will never get fired.
Can you get a professional to discuss how employment issues are handled in other countries or have an employment lawyer discuss more routine issues people come up against?
work is more than 1/3 of your day even if you work a 8hr shift you have to take into account the additional 4 hours of getting ready driving to and from work decompressing then doing everything else like eating, cleaning, shopping etc. 8hrs of sleep you are pretty much working your life away especially if your single or you both work and do not have someone to take care of house chores.
Employers have the leverage they can do and treat workers however they want because workers will always come and replace who they loose. Kroger in particular treats their store employees like garbage.
Employees don’t know what to do, but employers also don’t provide training or good mentorship. There are exceptions, but right now if you can’t hit the ground running companies don’t want to hire you. That make it difficult to resolve those stress issues you are talking about. I agree getting your house in order will help, but that understates the loss of the social contract of working for a company. We lost the world where companies are expected to take care of their employees.
I dont need a father and mother. I got those. Business is making money. I dont want anything else from work management. Good lord people are delusional
The leaders have to answer to the C suite and they want to cut cost and raise dividends. We can't have a healthy workplace for Americans when we don't have the buy in from the corporations. We used to have pensions and janitors worked for the company. Now every few years the companies have big layoffs to get cheaper and younger. Fix the bad parts of capitalism and we might have the ability to be treated well
I was talking to my mom yesterday and I was explaining to her how I’ve recently reached exhaustion ever since 2020. Every other month or year it seems like there is another “Apocalyptic” event waiting to strike the US, Trump, Israel, our economy, China, Russia, and on and on… It’s tiring! In short, just like you said, I realize I’ve reached information overload. I have got to disconnect and create some distance between me and my phone, just like John Delony said in this podcast.
Great convo. Just found this. What are your thoughts on leaders being prepared what they don’t want/expect to hear. Followers aren’t fearing the purpose or problem they fear the leaders’ response and problem that the leader is I’ll equipped to respond.
What you’re circling is a spiritual crisis, expecting the professional realm of life to resolve it and give meaning. Employers have gotten worse, but WE made the employer our God… both parents spend most of their time at work, very little with each other or children comparatively. The vanity and greed of these generations cannot be sated, and even if it were fulfilled would not supply life fulfillment
Agree a great leader affects the results and how employees below them feel. Seems like my job had great leadership for years, then company changed ways the company runs and leadership went down. Eventually had a toxic manager i many ways and seemed like had no work/life balance to even go grocery shopping was hard to find time. Now past that manager and seeing the opposite way and getting the work/life balance as well more gratified at work.
If a board member either holds up their end of the deal or doesn't, they are paid HANDSOMELY. But not you. This is what people are tired of. The people who are the least invested in the future of the company are telling their workers to pick themselves up by the boot straps. Then they want to also tell you that if you're an exceptional employee you will excel, move up, get promoted, etc....but NO ONE(including the exceptional employee(s)) is getting there. People feel tricked...and btw, a lot of these people were promised a great future if they took out a student loan and went to college...so by seeing this now at work they get a sense of deja vu. They know where this is headed, it sets in, and they begin to feel jaded. Add in a work system where they never feel acknowledged or appreciated, let alone rewarded, and it's game over.
A month ago! This was at least year ago when I was in Salt Lake City for the 2nd time. Anyway I brought thus up in conversation today with a ol friend and bording house roommate when talking politics. . . And a 🙈🙉 immersion was the reeeaall deal intel detail
The expectations of teachers, of police, of nurses has all changed drastically in the last 30 years. The jobs have absolutely changed and could be changed again. Just ask the old-hands in these fields
Employers will fire you at the drop of a hat, but expect a two weeks notice if you decide to leave. The trust and mutual respect is gone.
It's nothing new. I busted my butt for my first job out of college in the early 90s. They had no problem telling me "sorry, he's your last check plus 2 weeks severance." But of course the guy who owned the company and his girlfriend who were embezzling money weren't taking a pay cut as well. They want you your loyalty but won't give it in return. I learned my lesson very quickly.
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This is why we have unions, who watches out for you. Unions are more corrupt that our government.
When a company says "We are like family here", run .. what they mean is they want you to work as hard as they would for their own company, but not pay you what you are worth.
When a company says, "You have the opportunity to learn a lot of different skills through our cross training program" ... run ... what they mean is you will work in various departments doing 2 to 5 different jobs and get paid for only one of them.
Yep. Been there, done that, got out ASAP. So many employees were taken advantage of & stressed to the max. Turnover was crazy. Many who stayed were brainwashed into thinking that treatment was ok. Dysfunctional "families" defy all professionalism.
A lot of companies are starting to call themselves "Employee owned"! What I see in that phrase is , yes, the company owns their employees! Not the other way around!
And work 40-60 hours a week with little appreciation for helping!!!
God damn. That all needs to change
Work needs to change for the better
People need to be treated better, and people need to treat each other better
But I will tell you that business owners and employers feel the stress when employs use their good nature / caring attitudes / empathy to take advantage and call for time off and whatnot
I don’t think employers shouldn’t be empathetic, but they also have a business to run, with rent due and bills due and a plethora of things to manage and worry about. Many moving parts, multiple employees
Each industry is different but every industry I’ve been in, when I’ve gotten close to the owners, they are the most stressed out people in the world
Retail, restaurant, service, automotive, healthcare/clinics/pharmacies, etc
I feel we are back in the era of the industrial revolution days. Do the job of 2 to 3 people. Give us a pizza and a pat on the back and the CEO makes 20 times your salary and golfs on his 3 hour lunch.
The “leaders” are not leaders, they are bosses and supervisors.
I chuckle that they’re called leaders
Most of them are job justifiers that suffer from meetingitus. They don't actually do anything and if they were laid off, virtually none of them would be missed.
FACTS!!!! This is it right here. But they sure are quick to bring people to "leadership conferences" though.
@Freespeech2 companies double down and promote bullies just to torture their workers it's entertaining to them. They don't want longevity they want new workers at the lowest wage rate to keep costs down.
@@mcleananderson4948they're Grifters and have no self-respect, knowing they do little to nothing while getting paid 6 figure salaries shame on employees that kiss up to these monsters they have no self respect either
I'm tired of having to work 12hrs a day Monday to Friday and 6hrs part time just to be able to afford my home(same price as renting), groceries, vehicle and insurance. I'm exhausted.
Going out on a limb here but it sounds like you need a higher paying job. Sorry if I hurt your eyes with that flash of insight.
@chemquests While i would like a higher paying job i already make 34$ an hour which 6yrs back would be higher middle class. Just everything expensive and now that 34$ has the same buying power 25$ had a few years back. I mean just go to your local grocery store and cereal is over 5$ and chips as well. Houses at all times high as well as rent. Car insurance has gone up.
You didn't really hurt my eyes sounds more like you don't understand that the average person doesn't have a nice cushy job that pays over 100k a year. And that inflation is way higher than 10%. It's just facts that the younger generation is getting the short end of the stick while all the baby boomers who ruined the economy get to retire comfortably. Yet we are anticipating social security is going to run out before 2050. Pensions are not a thing anymore. There's plans to tax unrealized gains. Now, what do you have to say about that?
@@ISILENTNINJAI of course there’s been inflation, and I’m being a little silly. That said, 66 hours per week at $34/hour is still high middle. The median household is at ~$78k/year, so you’re well beyond that. If you need a break, you should be able to afford it, but I don’t know your personal circumstances. My dad always said it’s easier to spend less than to make more, so you’ve got to decide what’s going to give. Best of luck!
How much is your car payment? Boat or motorcycle payment?
Too many corporate people think they can manage people. You manage "things". So many managers never understand that people are not "things".
You LEAD people.
100 percent
You are 100% correct . People are not fking things
and yet we are...
A company is not family. A job is not a marriage. The employer has an obligation to pay a fair wage, provide a safe work environment, offer fair working conditions. The employee needs to show up, have their head in the game, do a good job (in the eyes of the employer). Often neither side is holding up their end of the deal. In either large or small companies. Important to understand-BOTH employers and employees are broken.
no the employer is irreparably broken while the employee is now more productive and working more hours than their parents or their grand parents while getting paid a fraction of what generations before were paid.
@@randomkyle3why do you think we are working more? My dad used to work at two different jobs in Brazil and today, as an engineer, I maybe work 8-9 hours with a plus of 2-3 hours studying, improving and getting better at something. Comparing my dad’s work and my life, I can’t even think about complaining.
The original comment is right. A company is not a family and a job is not a marriage. It’s a situation where both sides have to win and in my opinion, your commitment to yourself, is a “forever game ” where it is up to you on how to use this time, improve your skills. We are blessed to be living and working at this time because many people in the past could only choose to survive!
Yes that may be true, but what’s more important to remember is that responsibility falls on the employer. It’s called accountability. All directions come from the top. People can cry and complain about the quality of employees going down, but that’s the responsibility of leadership in the organization to correct. Blaming things on your employees is a sign of poor management and poor leadership.
I work at an amazing company (furniture manufacturing) with amazing people. I worked in I.T. help desk and our manager took each of the people in his department out each month for a one-on-one lunch meeting to ask us how we are doing and how things are going for us at work. It was due to one of these meetings that I switched from I.T. to metal fabrication (yes, I.T. to welding... still for the same company though) and now I actually look forward to going to work. I get to create and build things instead of just fixing things that are broken. Both of you have had a positive impact on my life, and you gave me the courage to make a change when I wasn't happy instead of just plowing on. Thanks.
That's amazing!!😊❤
What broke it? - Accountants and "educated" supposed leaders. Employees are nothing more than nameless, faceless line items on a spreadsheet. You ARE a "human resource" - once companies moved from "Personnel" to HR - it killed the employer / employee relationship. The "leader" only cares about their spreadsheet of the moment and their next bonus, and if that means headcount cuts and people suffer - they simply don't care. More, more, more - use up the employees until they break, quit or get cut - then replace, outsource or push the work on who remains.
Accountants are employees tooooo 😭
Yes! You nailed it.
@@TheDomiiNation13 No - bookkeepers are employees, accountants in corporations are simply a function of the manipulation of the money and stock values to generate bonuses and false dividends that no longer align with realistic profit margins and actual growth.
The managerial class, HR, women.
I love how you broke it down in lame man terms simply pointing out the actual shift in the whole process
12 min in & they Need to discuss Living wage. I’m tired of being told I’m getting at the higher end of the scale & my dollar don’t go far, I’m exhausted of not being able to pay my bills.
I survived like 20 layoffs in my company. It was extremely traumatizing. People around me were let go in the middle of the week, and in mortgage people are still looking for work. From 2 years ago. . . Mortgage workers were blacklisted across companies they could take their skills to because the companies didn't want to take a chance on them thinking they would quit as soon as the market turns around. Its been 2 years. These people need jobs...
I got to baby step 7 in 2020. Retired in 2022. Don't miss one bit of all this work stress and demands. Get to baby step 7 and financial peace.
I’m on my way to step 7. I’ll be there real soon
So many people have seen their family let go for quarterly profits, lose retirements, and getting jobs not paying the prior. When you treat employees like a number then expect your business to be a number to employees.
Effective leadership is empathetic, relationship-driven, inspirational, and one who is courageous. How does one have courage? By having support around them who believe in them, especially when responsibilities of the role become overwhelming and tough decisions need to be made. Support is not only employee based. It entails family, friends, colleagues etc. The major issue is leadership is not taught in the workplace. Management is taught in the workplace. Anyone can be a leader, but only if they want to be. It is a skillset that requires ongoing practice. You are not born a leader. You have to choose to be one.
No one cares about your personal life at work. They may even use it against you. Be superficially pleasant.
I hate when a boss or coworker asks about personal shit. I struggle to say enough to be polite and move on. Damn, let’s just work. It is so fake…..stop it!
Then you haven't worked with a good boss and that sucks.
The problem is not that they're asking, it's that the interest is false.
When you have real people who care about you as a human, not as a cog in the machine, it makes a huge difference.
Or when they ask, wath r your doing this weekend man?
I surely don't want my boss to ask how I'm doing? Give me a fricken pay raise and stop expecting me to now do three peoples work load since the other two employees quit.
Dr. John talks about teachers and the work teachers do. The level of responsibilities expected of teachers is unbelievable. A parent told a teacher that it was her job to potty train her child. The mother had NO desire to train her child. It's a very, very sad day. Good luck
A great solution would be culture change. If we could stop demanding immediate service for all our wants and needs, companies would be less inclined to press 24/7 staffing. We need to be less demanding culturally, and learn to make do without things until the next business day, or after the weekend is over, or after the holiday.
That's exactly right! My account executive kept asking me when I was going to get the forecast done, and I asked her, is there a special time that you need it done? And she said, well we need it done as fast as possible just so we can have it ready. And that's the kind of stuff we're talking about. She doesn't actually have a deadline, she just wants it done so she can say that it's done. That's the type of stuff that drives me nuts. Is the arbitrary deadlines from people that don't even matter. And if you don't get it done, then you're going to get the axe
@@NeighborhoodWatchMann right! I think both sides put high priority on low priority items. The boss didn’t “need” the forecast report yet. I also think a house doesn’t “need” to talk about a billing issue or get tracking for a package after 5/6pm. If we could say no to certain customer demands, or stop being demanding customers, the workplace wouldn’t be as tense. It’s great that America is highly productive, but we need to set boundaries, learn contentment, and stop burning out our best talent.
It is due to the workplace they constantly promote toxic people who seed toxicity employees vying to be the favorite. I don’t care to be the favorite . I just want some peace
When you have a boss sending 10 plus emails on a Saturday and Sunday and you never get a break 😮 I’m going to stop looking. My personal life should matter.
The bosses are waiting to retire. They have worked up the ladder for years, they're ready to leave emotionally but financially they need to stick around for their pension.
This is what our division looks like in New York City department of health
and they’re making sure the younger generations never have a chance to move up the ladder.
It's very apparent! That's the way my director is. We need to hire an analyst, and the first thing he said is, hire somebody we don't have to train. So I said, do you want me to look at people in the past who we've let go to come back? Because that's the only way that you're going to give somebody that you're not going to have to train. He just looked at me. And I looked at him, and told him, you're going to have to train at least a little bit for them to understand the business, the systems, and the common practices.
I don’t agree with what they are saying completely. Wages are not matching inflation, yet employers want super hard workers, and investment. A studio apartment can take a month of wages. The classes are massively separating.
Of course not. They are the top of the pyramid scheme. They will keep selling the product till there are no more suckers.
I worked for a company for 17 years lost my job when I got hurt at work. “Distant family” took 6 months of therapy to walk again with a cane. My aunt told me when I got hurt to not file disability that they would take care of all my medical bills. Two months back in work they fired told me I’m to slow now….
Thankfully I started a business and doing pretty good and I’ll never work for someone again..
I love working and will never retire. That being said, companies got rid of health insurance, retirement, they used to say stay there 20 years and get the perks. Now they offer nothing. You are working with team members that are poorly managed. Everyone has drama going on and needs to leave early or take off.
People always want to leave because of the garbage conditions at work. Myself included. I had to fake work injury just to take a mental health break (I'm autistic) for my sanity because nobody cares about my needs or whether I'm ok or not. Fuck this modern world and the work that keeps it going.
That is 100% true
I noticed Ken said 'work is a third of our day,' but if the average person has a useable 13 hours/day, and works 8 hrs, not including those who commute, it could be 75% of their day
And a lot of jobs are 9 hrs with an unpaid lunch.
I don't always agree with Ken and Dr John but I feel they were spot on.
I retired sooner than I expected to because of the issues in this podcast.
Enjoy your retirement.
I just got promoted to manager and this conversation comment come at a better time.
I feel like I need to come back and listen to this twice a month. Please keep on this topic it write a book.
Ai and computers make work 10x more efficient, but that benefit never trickles down to workers, who still get paid hourly while the owners watch their net profit increase
The managerial class and the governmental class are taking an increasingly large cut. The s&p return over the last 25 years has been 7.16%. There’s been a lot of volatity during that time.
@@robnelson6545the rich getting richer
As a natural and incredible leader, i keep getting overlooked for jobs because companies dont value us. I have education plus experience. I might just have more kids and just give up and be a mom some more.
And so much humility! I wonder what the issue could be?🤔
Being a mother is probably one of the best ways to “lead.”
@@grace2cor98But for your children, not grown adults.
Yeah with that attitude, and your gender, no you're not going to be a leader I'm sorry. You're going to run it like your house. And you're going to treat your underlings like your children. They see that, and they can sense it
Your employer doesn't have leaders. They have bosses. You are a tool to be used and discarded when you are no longer able to perform your task to the bosses satisfaction.
I needed to hear this today. We definitely don't talk about mental health and how the work/life dynamic has changed. Thankyou.
As a manager I always ask almost everyone on shift almost every day how they are, updates on their days off or health or their children...before I tell them to do specific work. They already all know their own job and I'd rather them be mentally happy or stable or positive before anything else. And I'm genuinely interested in them. And people can feel it when you care.
Lol
You probably pay them minimum wage and downsize every quarter.
I hate when my boss ask how I'm doing. It's like she is playing in my face. She knows how I feel about the place but nothing changes so what is the point of asking me a question you already know the answer to. You just want to piss me off so I will go off.
As a person that has a boss, if my boss asked me that everyday, I would get pissed off. Stop asking me that,
I’d be beyond ANNOYED at this. Too many so called bosses & managers are damn ENTITLED & flat out narcissistic. It’s none of your business & you should not feel like you even have the right to ask this shit EVERY damn day. That’s outrageous 😵💫
Solve for peace at home? I think most people would say their constant stress from being overworked directly contributes to the stress at home.
People need to leave work at office. Stop being connected and available to the office when you are supposed to be resting. Stop answering emails at night right before you go to bed.
Then we have the ever so popular scheduling meetings during the lunch hour. I tell my wife all the time that she needs to retake her lunch hour, start declining meetings during her preferred lunch time. Pretty soon people will take the hint and stop scheduling them!
Unfortunately... they will say it's an expectation of the job and its how their workplace culture functions. Then start making a list of how she doesn't meet expectations and look to either bully her out or fire here.
Companies often make poor decisions where upper management receives praise and recognition for their ideas, while lower-level employees are left to handle the mess those decisions create.
This is exactly what I needed to hear. You guys are the best, thank you for your insight.
This reminds me of the advice that one shouldn't give abusers therapy because it only makes them better abusers. Managers are users, and their goal is to squeeze as much productivity out of an employee as possible, then discard the employee. By giving this kind of advice, you just make them more effective at using and discarding people.
Lol I don’t see that as true. I’m sure it is for quite a bit, but I think for the large majority, they’d like to be less ‘abusive’ and more empathetic, but while also maintaining productivity
This was hands down one of my favorite episodes yet keep up the amazing work and message Dr. John and Ken
This left us better! Thank you!
PK-12 Schools, particularly public schools, often act more like social service agencies than academic institutions now. We often have to link families to food, clothing, healthcare, and sometimes housing to keep them afloat. This alone creates extra stress beyond the basics like reading, writing, and math which were our most basic concerns about 25 to 50 years ago. Just a note here from a PK-8 School Librarian who has worked in and out of education for almost 28 years in rural and urban environments.
There was so many gems in this interview! Keep doing the great work, it is effective. ❤
great interview. thanks for the wisdom ken and john!
I just started listening to this podcast, and I disagree with the assessment that outside factors that are being brought into the workplace are causing the employee workplace burnt out and stress levels that we are seeing today. It’s the other way around, the workplace stress is causing the problems in the employee’s personal lives. I’m not married and I have no children, my personal life is as peaceful as can be, but there are many days after working, that I’m lucky to find my way home because of the mental exhaustion and unrealistic demands that are placed on me. Years ago, three
people did the job of what one person is now doing in the workplace. These employers are also ruling by fear over the employee. Fear that if you don’t do enough, quick enough to their satisfaction and complete unrealistic expectations, that you can and will be replaced as if you never even existed in the first place there. Thus causing great impact to you and your family. This is how they are getting away with this treatment of the employee. People like to say you should have six months worth of expenses saved up in case something happens. I don’t know too many people who can do this with the inflation and stagnant raises that have been an issue for a very long time, plus, if you are raising children, this becomes even more impossible. The cards are stacked against the employee in the employee/employer relationship.
I do expect to see a change in the next ten years in the workplace when these younger generations are coming into the workplace as they are not going to tolerate the way things have been. I’m GEN X, who was raised by Boomers, who thought if you worked hard, you got ahead in this world, but sadly, this is not the case. You do get something for doing this, you get more work and responsibility with no or very little extra pay and the younger generations know this. They’ve seen it happen to their parents and are not going to tolerate it. So, I think you will see with the younger generations, a lot more moving very quickly between jobs when their, not the employer’s needs, are not being met. Where my generation and the ones before me stayed at these jobs on the false promise of loyalty. These employers will have to change how they do business to keep their turnover down, which negatively impacts their bottom line, to keep these younger generations from jumping ship and keep them at their company. That’s how the employee can effectuate change to the employer, by hitting the employer’s bottom line. The almighty bottom line.
I do agree that technology has caused major issues in our work/life balance. We are too accessible now. You can text and email a person anytime 365 days a year and it blurs the line between work and life to where that line doesn’t even exist anymore. We have evolved in technology so fast it’s as if we got whip flash from it. It’s too much, we are too connected and it is taking a toll on us in every aspect of our lives.
😅 yes. . I agree. My resume shows this. 86's and we have more work credits than you'd think, but also more job titles than all other generations think is appropriate with experience in about every industry at most entry level jobs. In addition most of us have at least a few more college hours than those with simple AAS associate degrees as well... AND NO ONE wants to hire us 🤷🤣
Here is another story that dovetails nicely with your discussion. It’s about wage stagnation in the US and outlines historic factors that play a huge role in the current stressed workforce - not taking away from your points. It’s called “Why Everyone is Quitting the 40 Hour Workweek”. It also provides the reasons why Keynesian economic ideas failed and how the promise of productivity through technology didn’t provide relief but instead fueled corporate greed (my summary) to the detriment of workers and the middle class. It’s like the frog being boiled slowly. Workers didn’t really realize how screwed they were until it became utterly unbearable. The pressure points of social media and leadership style can’t compete against the overall stew we have found ourselves in.
Good show! I like your show Ken Coleman! Keep it up! I love that you speak honestly about leaders and upper class, it’s from a whole new perspective. It’s honest, real and transparent.
One of the best moves I made professionally, was to turn down a promotion. It would have meant an OK pay raise, but *loads* of extra responsibilities, quagmire meetings, and more than a dozen direct reports.
Hitting that Decline button was one of the heaviest burdens I've ever had lifted from my shoulders. It annoyed senior management, but I've not regretted it at all.
23:30. You nailed it!!! Managers aren't taught to ask people how they are doing! Instead it's just about getting things done for the CEO!
because people complained about privacy invasion. boundaries matter! also, managers are not there to be social workers or therapists. it is a job. they manage your work. your job is to manage your mental health.
Great episode with two of my Ramsey Solutions bros. Good discussion related to the workplace. Liked and subscribe!!
Wow what a great conversation. So honest and real. Thank you!
You know what buned me out is making 50k a year watching my savings dwindle while people make 10k a month to show their b hole online. Also, the fact i can't get a higher paying job without 60k in debt for a paper proving that i can do what i already do.
The employers domt even look at my cv without a bachelor's on it.
Wow this video was incredible. Thank you for all of your wisdom and guidance to living a more peaceful and purposeful life. Also, Ken when you pulled out a pencil and paper towards the end🥹a pencil!✏️ (for those who don’t know, you can use it to write out your thoughts on a thin peace of material called paper).
Ohmygosh! I’ve only ever listened to your podcast. It’s neat to see a face behind the voices!
This is so true, that even this episode made me stressed. Because now I realize I am stressed and do my life wrong way, which makes me even more stressed. Once again, more information overload :D
I think the employee and employer dynamic is changing dramatically, it may look very different in 10 years. We have 100 people in our org with no employees.
“Creating the world that you want to see created” 💥💥💥🙏🏽
This was a really great conversation to listen to.
The investor class who feeds off walls street dictates that Corporate America priorities put employees at the bottom. Wall Street is a mechanism that’s is designed to extract wealth from the people. Investors are priority one.
It's because everybody's running a skeleton crew. Everybody's doing four or five jobs. You cannot keep putting more and more work on people, with less pay, and make them happy. This is what we're facing. If you're a nurse, you're doing the job of like five nurses. Same thing with every other job. However we all know that the population is increasing, but we're getting less and less workers? And that's not because people don't want to work. That's because companies don't want to pay people. For example, we need an analyst on my team, but for this last 6 months they've been dragging their feet. So I've been footing the bill for the analyst. And I can already tell you they're thinking, well he can do the analyst role and the demand planning role, let's just keep it that way for as long as we can. And that's what gets people to leave. Of course it's already made me sour, so I've already done quiet quitting. And now I'm just waiting for them to fire me because I'm only working like an hour a day because of what they've done to me
I worked as clerical for a S. Florida school district. When I retired, my position wasn't filled. The money plus more went to hire more nurses for the department. Found out they monitored Health Techs at schools to decide what changes could be made, not nursing. Diretor (a nurse) could justify more nurses, couldn't find-keep financials for clericals to keep up with nurse demands. I was told I worked far out of my job title. A yearly 3 month "required " project was reduced to a video schools called in for to have "volunteers " view and follow-up. The director loved getting the awards for the department, wouldn't know clericals existed. There were only 2 clericals when I left for 20 people, and no hires stayed longer than getting experience to move out.😂
Nurse here… it doesn’t help healthcare if we all “nurses” are working towards getting out. You said we have a society that needs doctors, nurses, teachers, police officers, but then turn around and say work towards leaving. How about the work culture needs to change?????!!! The paperwork and hoops need simplified. Patients should come first… but you say to work towards leaving bedside. I’m confused. The 12 hour shifts are brutal. These guys are delusional living in their glass mansions.
I so much agree with yiu. Professor here. In 25 years, it has really gotten so bad, that I am moving to Europe.
Healthcare is so broken! It’s a profit driven system that sucks all the healthcare workers dry! Upper management doesn’t care even though they spew all the platitudes while handing you a crappy piece of pizza !
So the corporate suite still remains free of responsibility. Interesting……..
My thoughts exactly
This was a good segment
Great conversation on a real issue facing so many folks. Thanks y’all!
I've seen this at my current job here in Denver in 2024, the companies silent labor goal is get employees for well under the poverty level and cross train them to do 4 different jobs in various departments and at the end of a 90 day review your going to get .25. Not many realise they should be getting $5 more for there position and even more if cross trained to do other jobs. There are employees that have been there for 2 years and zero raise in pay and a lady that was there for 6 asked for a $1 raise and they said no so she quit and not having her screwed up production because she was the most valuable and productive person in her department.
In the last three years, I have never encountered the level of narcissistic "leaders" in my entire 30 year career. Every single one of them never did the job and were scared to lose their incomes. I do not know how this happened, but hiring practices must be a critical component to starting the fix.
Middle management having the most to lose should be folks who are willing to take responsibility for their own skills and actions.
I'm listening to this as I'm working at 8:30 pm because they fired my boss in June with a half baked plan on what to do without her. Her replacement quit after 90 days because of their plan is apparently less than half baked and I don't have time to look for a new job 😫
Loved this episode
Just listening to this is therapeutic. I am not alone
Id love to have a manager like this again. At least I'm fortunate enough I've have them before and I know how to recognize a great leader, mentor, and caring manager.
A great conversation was had here
Supervisors/managers now prioritize the wishes of the corporation/organization and their own advancement even at the detriment of the staff.
Iam 52 woman .working for a sweden IT company.from home we work with US telecom companies ( Att&t. Tmobile etc)...I am located on Mexico... so we earn less than in the US... we got a lot of mental health tools and meetings from my company at the end as you said. Is not enough... I am so exhausted.. I got more an more workload.. never say No because I have a mortgage to pay.. and in our culture as single parent.. groceries..and cleaning is all on us... I have 40 days vacations still pending to take. No complaining... just validating that this is worldwide
How can we have this conversation without look at what the workplace has done to the family?
This is obvious Ken.
Average work week has decreased over time, but hours worked per household has drastically increased! When I go to work that’s me clocking OUT. When I get home my wife and I have trash, dishes, laundry, cooking, 2 kids to take care of (who we never see) and guess what… grandma and grandpa both STILL WORK. There is no more support because everyone is employed.
If my wife quit, we would struggle. Let alone be able to provide a better life for our kids.
It won’t change until we get wages to a point where one parent can stay home. Everyone has two if not three jobs. And we wonder why everyone is burnt out.
I don't need my boss to take care of me more care about me.
I don't need anyone to take care of me as I can take care of myself by myself.
I just go and do what I got to do and then do more than what other co-workers won't do for the company.
I have accepted this until I either die or get pulled up to be gathered in the air with Jesus.
My life is short compared to eternity with Jesus...
That is why I am not bothered by not being cared about or for by immortal man.
Don't work for a family owned business. I did it several times. Family members of the owner will be in all the higher paying, managerial positions. Often the adult children of the owners have substance abuse problems because they know no matter how many days they call in sick due to partying the night before, they will never get fired.
Can you get a professional to discuss how employment issues are handled in other countries or have an employment lawyer discuss more routine issues people come up against?
work is more than 1/3 of your day even if you work a 8hr shift you have to take into account the additional 4 hours of getting ready driving to and from work decompressing then doing everything else like eating, cleaning, shopping etc. 8hrs of sleep you are pretty much working your life away especially if your single or you both work and do not have someone to take care of house chores.
Employers have the leverage they can do and treat workers however they want because workers will always come and replace who they loose. Kroger in particular treats their store employees like garbage.
Employees don’t know what to do, but employers also don’t provide training or good mentorship. There are exceptions, but right now if you can’t hit the ground running companies don’t want to hire you. That make it difficult to resolve those stress issues you are talking about. I agree getting your house in order will help, but that understates the loss of the social contract of working for a company. We lost the world where companies are expected to take care of their employees.
Love the "Office Space" TPS report reference 😊
Great show guys!!
Thank you! Great show!!!
JD is so cool nowadays.
Yeah, I haven't watched in a few years but noticed these tattoos are new, and his attitude has really changed.
I dont need a father and mother. I got those. Business is making money. I dont want anything else from work management. Good lord people are delusional
Agree
The leaders have to answer to the C suite and they want to cut cost and raise dividends. We can't have a healthy workplace for Americans when we don't have the buy in from the corporations. We used to have pensions and janitors worked for the company. Now every few years the companies have big layoffs to get cheaper and younger. Fix the bad parts of capitalism and we might have the ability to be treated well
When your bosses boss is getting massive bonuses and you get a coffee mug.
Information over load and keeping up with Jones (social media)!
I was talking to my mom yesterday and I was explaining to her how I’ve recently reached exhaustion ever since 2020. Every other month or year it seems like there is another “Apocalyptic” event waiting to strike the US, Trump, Israel, our economy, China, Russia, and on and on… It’s tiring!
In short, just like you said, I realize I’ve reached information overload. I have got to disconnect and create some distance between me and my phone, just like John Delony said in this podcast.
@@estebanhenriquez3491so true
Great convo. Just found this. What are your thoughts on leaders being prepared what they don’t want/expect to hear. Followers aren’t fearing the purpose or problem they fear the leaders’ response and problem that the leader is I’ll equipped to respond.
What you’re circling is a spiritual crisis, expecting the professional realm of life to resolve it and give meaning.
Employers have gotten worse, but WE made the employer our God… both parents spend most of their time at work, very little with each other or children comparatively.
The vanity and greed of these generations cannot be sated, and even if it were fulfilled would not supply life fulfillment
Agree a great leader affects the results and how employees below them feel. Seems like my job had great leadership for years, then company changed ways the company runs and leadership went down. Eventually had a toxic manager i many ways and seemed like had no work/life balance to even go grocery shopping was hard to find time. Now past that manager and seeing the opposite way and getting the work/life balance as well more gratified at work.
And now that you've learned remember that it can happen again🎉🎉
I could be a manager in my field but the vps are dumb and disorganized and i dont want to work 60 hours a week for an extra 40k a year
If a board member either holds up their end of the deal or doesn't, they are paid HANDSOMELY. But not you. This is what people are tired of. The people who are the least invested in the future of the company are telling their workers to pick themselves up by the boot straps. Then they want to also tell you that if you're an exceptional employee you will excel, move up, get promoted, etc....but NO ONE(including the exceptional employee(s)) is getting there. People feel tricked...and btw, a lot of these people were promised a great future if they took out a student loan and went to college...so by seeing this now at work they get a sense of deja vu. They know where this is headed, it sets in, and they begin to feel jaded. Add in a work system where they never feel acknowledged or appreciated, let alone rewarded, and it's game over.
We are living in the last days. There's no one coming to save us. All we can do is pray.
Amen, and WE MUST PUT OUR TRUST IN JESUS!
That's not all we can do. That's all they want you to think you can do.
A month ago! This was at least year ago when I was in Salt Lake City for the 2nd time. Anyway I brought thus up in conversation today with a ol friend and bording house roommate when talking politics. . . And a 🙈🙉 immersion was the reeeaall deal intel detail
The expectations of teachers, of police, of nurses has all changed drastically in the last 30 years. The jobs have absolutely changed and could be changed again. Just ask the old-hands in these fields
Our manager is 75. Employee, same as us. Could you imagine some of the implications of this fact?
No bad teams only bad leaders - Jocko
Work place responsibilities need relationship for the worker to excel
i love these personalities, i love the others too but these guys always have good conversations
Yes, they have a great connection and flow.