I have 2 custom titanium frame bikes that I love. One regular and one tandem. Both over 15 years old and obviously cable operated brakes. How many carbon frame bikes are over 15 years old and still look almost new. And at 72 years old, I don't plan on getting any new bikes, and I don't think that disc brakes are that much better than rim brakes. Although, the rear brake on the tandem is a cable operated disc brake. The extra power is needed on the tandem when stopping all that extra weight. So wheeltop was very smart to offer a cable brake option which allows people like me to upgrade an older bike. I just installed it on the tandem for under $600. I was thinking about using Shimano Ultegra 8000 parts but that would have cost about $1200. And then I would have had to drill 3 holes in the frame and figure out how to run all those wires and where to put the battery on a frame with S & S frame couplers. The frame breaks in half for travel. With the fully wireless Wheeltop system, all those problems are solved.
Thanks for another great video KC 👍 I really enjoyed using my WheelTop EDS TX Carbon Disc groupset for the first 4 weeks that I owned it (here in the UK). Unfortunately the rear-derailleur stopped working after 600 Km (stuck in lowest gear and just beeps/whirrs when trying to change the gear). I swapped a few emails with WheelTop Support, but they tell me they will not help me, so I am left with a bike I cannot ride and no way of fixing it 😥 I really want to support WheelTop... but if they cannot provide any Support when they're product breaks, then I'm do not see how anyone can recommend it 😖
@@DerekGreen123 glad you like the video but sad to hear about your experience. Could you maybe send me a dm via instagram with your order details and i try to push them as well.
This is a really interesting groupset. I really like the concept of no wires, so simple to build. Recently I have been playing around with mechanical disc brake calipers/Sensah shifters, just to see if they are as bad as people say. They are not. Once leverage is sorted, which requires a little engineering, they are great, the equal of my hydros though the lever feel is heavier due to the return springs. This groupset would be great with those calipers.....
Glad to hear you made the Sensah setup work. Most of the time these groupsets are getting really close to Shimano or Sram but require a bit more work when setting them up. Most of the time thats worth it due to the reduced price.
I just don't see or feel a significant difference between moving my shift lever or pressing a button. To press a button to send a signal to a motor that changes the gears for you. Why not just pull the cable with a mechanical lever to move the derailleur in one step(In a system that I can repair easily and cheaply) ? Is it just another way of fulfilling a need for more material things? Is it an ego thing-to have some kind of bragging rights? I raced for years. Missing shift was just not a realistic issue for me or any the cyclist I rode with. I have 20 color LED lights in my apartment that I control on an app, so I love new tech that allows me to to do new things. But I would not get a button to send a signal to a motor to open my front door for me either. Tell me why button shifting is so much better-and worth the obvious downsides?
I would not say that its so much better. I prefer my Dura Ace 9100 mechanical over all other groupsets i have. But with internal routing on most frames these days an electronic groupset makes installation a lot easier.
Thank you for your video on this groupset. I am interested HOWEVER, Do you know why Wheeltop can't sell them here in the US? How can I go about purchasing?
The rear shifting is very similar. The front shifting is a bit snappier on the L-Twoo i think but as i m not using the front derailleur that often anyways its not really something i notice when riding out.
@@klein-concept cool! But, one question though. Is it too risky buying from ltwoo and wheeltop for the electronic groupset? Or is it all worth it and do you think it will last long same way with shimano and sram ones? Thank you
The only downside for me was that the rim brake version does not have reach adjust whereas the disc brake version does. Having small hands makes this an unfortunate no for me
I am thinking of the disc version for my carbon road built. Sram and Shimano probably started to scratch their heads now. Lots and lots of people seriously turned to this chinese brand in the past few months.
mixed end user reviews long term, i dont want to be an aftermarket beta tester,dont get me wrong i love sensah mech 11 speed. looking forward to Ltwoo TT gruppo. Sram rival axs with blips for me - 400 euro TT bike
Magst dich mal mit "Richie & Tobi" (ehemals GCN Deutsch Moderatoren) kurzschliessen? Sie haben die Gruppe auch getestet und waren im Enddefekt nicht überzeugt. Ggf. wäre das auch was für den Hersteller selbst sich mal mit ihnen in Kontakt zu treten?
Gute frage ob man an die jungs so gut rankommt. Hab deren video auch gesehen. Hab dieses geclicker bei mir bisher zb nicht. Klar ist etwas langsamer als eine Ultegra aber für den preis ok. Frage mich ob ich vielleicht eine spätere produktion habe. Denn ich hatte zb auch keinen zu kurzen bremszug was bei den beiden der fall war.
@@klein-concept Könnte natürlich sein das du eine spätere Version erhalten hast. Luke von TraceVelo hat wohl nun auch Probleme gehabt (ruclips.net/video/PeoQ-bSFPwc/видео.htmlsi=ChHUu64b-CVautso).
@@DanTuber I have the same question...Is there a way to know how much battery life left in the system? Via an App? I am concerned about being out on a ride and being stuck in one gear.
So, you've upgraded from Dura ACE to Chinese shit, what a world we live in? BTW, what's the point of having wireless shifting, while brakes are cable actuated.
@@romanpramuka2703 lol i mean that was the bike i had ready to give this a try. I wanted to give this a test without having to build a new bike. Electronic shifting still can have more precision than mechanical and be lower maintenance and easier installation. Guess you could ask the same question with disc brakes as well. About why to use wireless shifting while still having brake hoses. 🫶
Paid advertising...Watch independent review of this to get realistic review. There is a lot to know before buying this. Long story short its not worth it. For now....
@@Xpayn3 just to be clear. None of this is paid. They only send over a free groupset. So no reason to make this overly positive at 500 euro value for a product 😂😂. But i would actually be very interested in your experience and why you came to the conclusion that it is not worth it. As for me so far it works super smooth
I would never in a million years take off my Dura Ace 9100 mechanical and put on that unknown nonsense. Once you have a problem you’ll never hear from them again as I can see from at least one commentator on here. There’s more than low price to any components. I don’t see anything attractive about Chinese groupsets!
@@BikeLife154 if you already have a 9100 group i agree. There is no need to upgrade as you already are riding the best mechanical groupset ever made. But if you re building a new bike and want to keep things on a budget this is still an alternative to di2 or axs setups. As you say service remains an issue for most of these brands so far but they are aware and must be working on establishing a service network.
@@klein-concept I understand what you're saying and I'm not here to argue, however, this groupset is £549 I believe in the UK and they provide no crankset or chain. I can buy an Ultegra R8000 rim brake groupset for £699 with the crank and chain. Yes, it's mechanical, but even that I would favour over this stuff coming out of china. I can see landfill galore in the not too distant future from all these broken Chinese groupsets from companies that are dead in a couple of yearš or refuse to help customers because of the financial implications. Btw Ultegra Di2 is £1299 again with a crank and chain. The crankset alone is £199 and the chain around £40-50 so the wheeltop group is now £800 with the cost of these added.
@@BikeLife154 good point and calculation. It is not a bargain and on the edge where you really have to think if you dont want to add that little bit of extra cash to go for Shimano. But for anybody on a really tight budget and who is dreaming of going electronic it is still a valid choice i think. Given that brands like Wheeltop and L-Twoo will be able to establish a proper service network eg in Europe.
Retail prices will come down and the creases will be ironed out in time. If Wheeltop,L-Twoo and Magene etc don't become major players in the electronic groupset market I'll be flabbergasted.
I have 2 custom titanium frame bikes that I love. One regular and one tandem. Both over 15 years old and obviously cable operated brakes. How many carbon frame bikes are over 15 years old and still look almost new. And at 72 years old, I don't plan on getting any new bikes, and I don't think that disc brakes are that much better than rim brakes. Although, the rear brake on the tandem is a cable operated disc brake. The extra power is needed on the tandem when stopping all that extra weight. So wheeltop was very smart to offer a cable brake option which allows people like me to upgrade an older bike. I just installed it on the tandem for under $600. I was thinking about using Shimano Ultegra 8000 parts but that would have cost about $1200. And then I would have had to drill 3 holes in the frame and figure out how to run all those wires and where to put the battery on a frame with S & S frame couplers. The frame breaks in half for travel. With the fully wireless Wheeltop system, all those problems are solved.
That is a really cool setup. Glad to hear it also simplified your tandem upgrade. Happy riding
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Thanks for another great video KC 👍
I really enjoyed using my WheelTop EDS TX Carbon Disc groupset for the first 4 weeks that I owned it (here in the UK).
Unfortunately the rear-derailleur stopped working after 600 Km (stuck in lowest gear and just beeps/whirrs when trying to change the gear). I swapped a few emails with WheelTop Support, but they tell me they will not help me, so I am left with a bike I cannot ride and no way of fixing it 😥
I really want to support WheelTop... but if they cannot provide any Support when they're product breaks, then I'm do not see how anyone can recommend it 😖
@@DerekGreen123 glad you like the video but sad to hear about your experience. Could you maybe send me a dm via instagram with your order details and i try to push them as well.
Question: Did you buy directly from WheelTop or did you buy via an unofficial AliExpress seller?
If you contact your bank, you could try to chargeback the purchase and get your money back
@@kidsafe I am planing to bay from allexpres,whay is there problem,baying from allyexpres?
Long live the rim brake! Awesome video angles for the riding shots 👍
Thanks a lot mate 🫶
Really nice! Will consider this groupset for my next rim brake build - thanks for making this video, Michael 🤩
Always a pleasure. I think its real good value for money. What kind of bike are you planning to build?
@@klein-concept Looking at building up a Supersix Evo and not go too crazy budget-wise - let's see!
Super dope frame. That EDS would fit well there i think.
This is a really interesting groupset. I really like the concept of no wires, so simple to build. Recently I have been playing around with mechanical disc brake calipers/Sensah shifters, just to see if they are as bad as people say. They are not. Once leverage is sorted, which requires a little engineering, they are great, the equal of my hydros though the lever feel is heavier due to the return springs. This groupset would be great with those calipers.....
Glad to hear you made the Sensah setup work. Most of the time these groupsets are getting really close to Shimano or Sram but require a bit more work when setting them up. Most of the time thats worth it due to the reduced price.
Love the sambass on Tempelhofer Feld! What a vibe...
Me too 🫶
Electronic shifter with rim, finally 😊
Yes. Love it as well 🤜🤛
Hopefully you also try the disc brake version also 🙏 nice video, as always. Cheers from Chile 🇨🇱
Thanks a lot 🤜🤛
I just don't see or feel a significant difference between moving my shift lever or pressing a button. To press a button to send a signal to a motor that changes the gears for you. Why not just pull the cable with a mechanical lever to move the derailleur in one step(In a system that I can repair easily and cheaply) ? Is it just another way of fulfilling a need for more material things? Is it an ego thing-to have some kind of bragging rights? I raced for years. Missing shift was just not a realistic issue for me or any the cyclist I rode with.
I have 20 color LED lights in my apartment that I control on an app, so I love new tech that allows me to to do new things. But I would not get a button to send a signal to a motor to open my front door for me either. Tell me why button shifting is so much better-and worth the obvious downsides?
I would not say that its so much better. I prefer my Dura Ace 9100 mechanical over all other groupsets i have. But with internal routing on most frames these days an electronic groupset makes installation a lot easier.
I would love a video after a month of use !
@@TFL00W good idea. Will try to do that 🤜🤛
one year more likely of moderate use.
thanks for the commercial. still useful in spite of it...
Hehe glad you enjoy it. Still riding it on my steel bike. Friend of mine actually rode it 2 weeks ago for 100km with me without problems.
Endlich mal was interessantes 😉 Nicht immer nur Disc Brakes 😉
Spaß beiseite, hoffe wirklich, dass die chinesischen Groupsets besser werden
Hehe. Finde die Wheeltop ist in sachen gefühlte qualität schon weit vorne. Die neue LTwoo in blau aber auch. Da geht so langsam was.
Thank you for your video on this groupset. I am interested HOWEVER, Do you know why Wheeltop can't sell them here in the US? How can I go about purchasing?
I wasnt aware that is the case. Think it was similar with Germany in the beginning. So it might just take a moment. 🫶
Brilliant video, do you think they will update the app soon ?
Thank you. Good question. But even without update its manageable. 🤜🤛
I have a brand new DA 9070 ❤ Still debating which frame to buy. I am really considering a Steel frame. Lets see
@@thedronescene7474 Go for a light steel one. You will not regret it 🤜🤛
i just built a Ritchey road logic and she’s nice.. there is also the new Condor Accaio that looks very pretty
how does it perform compared to the ltwoo erx groupset? looking forward to the new erx groupset coming out later this year too.
The rear shifting is very similar. The front shifting is a bit snappier on the L-Twoo i think but as i m not using the front derailleur that often anyways its not really something i notice when riding out.
@@klein-concept cool! But, one question though. Is it too risky buying from ltwoo and wheeltop for the electronic groupset? Or is it all worth it and do you think it will last long same way with shimano and sram ones? Thank you
I dont know how long it will last but with L-Twoo i had good communication when it comes to support.
Has Wheeltop started offering individual components, if you need a replacement? Until that’s available I don’t understand how these are viable.
@@stefangrose4954 they must be working on a better distribution and service networks here as well. I agree if they want to be successful long term.
I think lots of people hesitate due to customer service
@@y.a.p8951 yes i could see that. I think and hope this will change over the next years. They need to get a proper service network going.
@@klein-concept fingers 🤞.
Healthy competition doesn't anyone yet🥲
Actually , I'm very glad there's company like wheeltop giving a chance to frames.😉
i agree. Even if the groupset is not for you. It puts pressure on the other brands. 🤜🤛
if changing to disc, is it just a shifter change? derailleurs carry over from rim to disc?
Yes, the derailleurs stay the same 🤜🤛
The only downside for me was that the rim brake version does not have reach adjust whereas the disc brake version does. Having small hands makes this an unfortunate no for me
Good point. I did not know that the disc version had that adjustment.
any issues with the app translations? is it somewhat intuitive to figure out the settings to index each sprocket?
Its not the most intuitive app but as the options are limited its not too difficult to figure it out within a couple of minutes.
I am thinking of the disc version for my carbon road built. Sram and Shimano probably started to scratch their heads now. Lots and lots of people seriously turned to this chinese brand in the past few months.
And they are getting better and better.
Hello Klein,
The batery how long dose it last? Thanks
@@borisdodig2433 honestly i dont know. I charged kit every 3-5 rides without issues 🫶
@@klein-concept and how dose it performe,thanks for ansering
@@borisdodig2433 so far pretty good except that sometimes you have to push the shift button twice 🤜🤛
mixed end user reviews long term, i dont want to be an aftermarket beta tester,dont get me wrong i love sensah mech 11 speed. looking forward to Ltwoo TT gruppo. Sram rival axs with blips for me - 400 euro TT bike
Thats a good deal. Second hand or new?
@@klein-concept new rival axs rear derailleur 189, blips 89, battery and charger 80 1*TT setup
@@johnnyboy4711 what brake levers are you using?
@@klein-concept SRAM cable brake
How many kms have you put so far on your oxic wheelset and how's the coating?
@@dgonz6027 i have mainly used the Oxic wheels for one Mallorca trip. So around 500-600 km with LOTS of heavy breaking. Coating is still like new.
I have that Wheelset for around 8000-10000 km, coating is like new.
Beautiful 🫶
Would love to know some weights for the components if you get time
Sorry i completely forgot. Hope that other youtubers will follow up on this. But i will try to do it when i have a second.
@@klein-concept Don't worry. No point now if you've already built up the bike.
Hi, any bike weight difference between mechanic and wireless?
I knew i forgot about something 🫣😬😂😂
How much they cost and how I can have one
It is 649 euro and you can get it here: bit.ly/4bRpoAK
Now If it only had blips or remote shifters for old tt bikes
That would be real good 🫶
Magst dich mal mit "Richie & Tobi" (ehemals GCN Deutsch Moderatoren) kurzschliessen? Sie haben die Gruppe auch getestet und waren im Enddefekt nicht überzeugt. Ggf. wäre das auch was für den Hersteller selbst sich mal mit ihnen in Kontakt zu treten?
Gute frage ob man an die jungs so gut rankommt. Hab deren video auch gesehen. Hab dieses geclicker bei mir bisher zb nicht. Klar ist etwas langsamer als eine Ultegra aber für den preis ok. Frage mich ob ich vielleicht eine spätere produktion habe. Denn ich hatte zb auch keinen zu kurzen bremszug was bei den beiden der fall war.
@@klein-concept Könnte natürlich sein das du eine spätere Version erhalten hast.
Luke von TraceVelo hat wohl nun auch Probleme gehabt (ruclips.net/video/PeoQ-bSFPwc/видео.htmlsi=ChHUu64b-CVautso).
Easy to charge and monitor?
Yes charging is very easy with magnetic cables. What do you mean with monitor?
@@klein-concept Monitor how much charge is left before it runs out
@@klein-concept Are the gears visible in a bike Computer display, Wahoo / Garmin ?
@@DanTuber I have the same question...Is there a way to know how much battery life left in the system? Via an App? I am concerned about being out on a ride and being stuck in one gear.
So, you've upgraded from Dura ACE to Chinese shit, what a world we live in? BTW, what's the point of having wireless shifting, while brakes are cable actuated.
@@romanpramuka2703 lol i mean that was the bike i had ready to give this a try. I wanted to give this a test without having to build a new bike.
Electronic shifting still can have more precision than mechanical and be lower maintenance and easier installation. Guess you could ask the same question with disc brakes as well. About why to use wireless shifting while still having brake hoses. 🫶
Give it. To me NOW!
@@espencera 😂😂😂
Paid advertising...Watch independent review of this to get realistic review. There is a lot to know before buying this. Long story short its not worth it. For now....
@@Xpayn3 just to be clear. None of this is paid. They only send over a free groupset. So no reason to make this overly positive at 500 euro value for a product 😂😂.
But i would actually be very interested in your experience and why you came to the conclusion that it is not worth it. As for me so far it works super smooth
I would never in a million years take off my Dura Ace 9100 mechanical and put on that unknown nonsense. Once you have a problem you’ll never hear from them again as I can see from at least one commentator on here. There’s more than low price to any components. I don’t see anything attractive about Chinese groupsets!
@@BikeLife154 if you already have a 9100 group i agree. There is no need to upgrade as you already are riding the best mechanical groupset ever made. But if you re building a new bike and want to keep things on a budget this is still an alternative to di2 or axs setups.
As you say service remains an issue for most of these brands so far but they are aware and must be working on establishing a service network.
@@klein-concept I understand what you're saying and I'm not here to argue, however, this groupset is £549 I believe in the UK and they provide no crankset or chain. I can buy an Ultegra R8000 rim brake groupset for £699 with the crank and chain. Yes, it's mechanical, but even that I would favour over this stuff coming out of china. I can see landfill galore in the not too distant future from all these broken Chinese groupsets from companies that are dead in a couple of yearš or refuse to help customers because of the financial implications. Btw Ultegra Di2 is £1299 again with a crank and chain. The crankset alone is £199 and the chain around £40-50 so the wheeltop group is now £800 with the cost of these added.
@@BikeLife154 good point and calculation. It is not a bargain and on the edge where you really have to think if you dont want to add that little bit of extra cash to go for Shimano. But for anybody on a really tight budget and who is dreaming of going electronic it is still a valid choice i think. Given that brands like Wheeltop and L-Twoo will be able to establish a proper service network eg in Europe.
Retail prices will come down and the creases will be ironed out in time.
If Wheeltop,L-Twoo and Magene etc don't become major players in the electronic groupset market I'll be flabbergasted.
@@timdixo 🫶
Great video, just found it a little hard to stay engaged because your glasses are so enormous, and it was extremely distracting.
Hahahahahaha. Sorry for that. Will add more b roll next time 🫣 but glad you enjoyed the video anyways 🤜🤛
No worries at all lol....I wear glasses myself🤓....Good stuff bro🚴🏼🤙🏻
@@logicsetsyoufree9052 🤓🫶🤓