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@@OlivierH93 didnt have time yet and on the first ride i noticed i need to train the position a bit first at home.

@@espencera 😂😂😂

Have a look for Villa Suavet Petit at Owl Booking Mallorca. 🤜🤛

@@alex5421 glad you enjoyed it. Thanks a lot 🫶

That is a really cool setup. Glad to hear it also simplified your tandem upgrade. Happy riding 🤜🤛

@@breitemasse wird dir gefallen 🤜🤛

@@klein-concept denke auch, hab schon nen ribble stahl gravel gerät.. aber iwie brauch man halt noch nen rennrad

@@breitemasse genau so muss das sein 🤜🤛

Haha that is more or less the way how i explain all my bikes 🫣

Mache produkt management bei NI. Was machst du genau?

Hehe immer her mit den kommentaren. Muss sagen dass glaube das Winspace von allen am saubersten rüberkommt. Das Yoeleo war aber sehr nah dran.

@@klein-concept Ah ok. Ich hatte irgendwie den gleichen Eindruck bei Anschauen der diversen Rahmen. Ok…erst mal ein wenig Werkzeug und dann los. 😬

Hey, thank you. Let me answer your questions. 1. Only with the frame as far as i know but you could write them and ask 2. Thats the chainring i had 3. Dont seem to find the original link but these work too: leapcomponents.com/product/wireless-blips-tt-mounts/ 4. Yes the stem is made for that frame 🤜🤛

@@klein-concept how did it ride any observations? total cost of build? looking at something similar

@@DGMann mate, i m so thankful for your message. Very happy to hear that. There will be more builds coming in the next weeks. Hope you will enjoy them as well. 🫶

@@ejima74 i was riding aero carbon wheels before. The moment they got wet there was almost no braking power. These DT Swiss ones are very powerful in every environment.

​@@klein-conceptAre the DT Swiss Oxic wheels fast? On a different note, dp you think I should book a professional bike fit for myself?

​@ejima74 for me they have been fast. Of course not like a 50mm wheelset but amazing wheels. Regarding the bike fit. How comfortable do you feel on your bike? Do you have any pain during longer rides? Are you racing and need to squeeze out some remaining watts? If the answer is no. I would say you will be good without a bike fit.

​@@klein-conceptI am actually fine on my bike although I have had it for nine years, my only issue is whether I should be riding a 58 inch frame as opposed to my 61 inch frame, I am 186cm.

@@ejima74 Lets put it that way. I m 186 and i m riding a size 56 with a 110mm stem. So i guess your 58 should be good.

@@gearholicsanonymous danke dir. Mir hat alles RUclips beigebracht. Darum ist auch noch nicht alles perfekt hehe 🫣

@@klein-concept Macht alles einen verdammt guten Eindruck. Ich würde den Bau eines Rads ohne Weiteres in deine Hände legen. Mach weiter so!

@@gearholicsanonymous danke dir 🤜🤛

Love them as well. Prefer them a lot over tubeless 🤜🤛

Hehe. Danke dir. Was fährst du gerade für ein titan rad?

@@klein-concept Hatte mir einen Titus Roadrunner Rahmen geholt und mit einer Force1 Gruppe aufgebaut. Jetzt kommt ne Force AXS XPLR Gruppe dran, leichte Pi Rope Laufräder etc. Ist aber leider nicht integrierbar der Becher. Schaue mir Waltly jetzt mal genauer an, habe meine Augen aber auch auf nen Winspace C5 oder SLC 2.0. :) Hast auf jeden Fall einen Abonnenten gewonnen mit den klasse Videos! :)

@@gearholicsanonymous aber auch geiles teil. Einfacher zu warten 🫶

@@GG-si7fw you do it from their phone app. I used my google drive or dropbox to get the gpx file onto my phone. I dont fully understand what you mean with the history between bikes. I have my history on strava and only upload new things from the computer. Is that what you ment?

@@klein-concept I have a road bike and a single speed commuter bike. Can I use the same GPS computer on both with individual settings or is it tailored for one bike use only.

Good point. I did not know that the disc version had that adjustment.

Thank you so much. Very glad to hear that. I think it should fit. I think even with the FSA spacer it might work the same way as on the titanium bike. I actually wanted another Canary for the next build but looks like they are out of stock for a while again.

Gute frage ob man an die jungs so gut rankommt. Hab deren video auch gesehen. Hab dieses geclicker bei mir bisher zb nicht. Klar ist etwas langsamer als eine Ultegra aber für den preis ok. Frage mich ob ich vielleicht eine spätere produktion habe. Denn ich hatte zb auch keinen zu kurzen bremszug was bei den beiden der fall war.

@@frankboyer1490 how?

@@klein-concept No fluids needed or bleeding :P

@@frankboyer1490 yes that process really sucks. but i think i would not go for mechanical disc. Then rather stay with a good rim setup 🫶

@@klein-concept But mechanical disc would be better for gravel, no? I've just never had any issues stopping with them so why add more complexity?

@@frankboyer1490 ok that might be. And i agree it is no fun but as far as the reviews i ve seen the performance of a full hydro set still outperforms a good mechanical one by far. But that doesnt mean that its needed tho.

@@Xpayn3 just to be clear. None of this is paid. They only send over a free groupset. So no reason to make this overly positive at 500 euro value for a product 😂😂. But i would actually be very interested in your experience and why you came to the conclusion that it is not worth it. As for me so far it works super smooth

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Good question. Would love to know as well.

@@klein-concept the only direct comparison data I could find is from a GCN video. They used an oldish steel racing bike with box section wheels vs a pretty aero looking though maybe 5-10 years old now Pinarello with carbon wheels. I think at 45kph the difference was only 20 watts. A surprisingly low difference. Then they tested wearing old style clothes on the old bike vs wearing modern skinsuit/aero helmet etc on the old bike. The old clothes added 50 watts at 45 kph!!

@@romanpramuka2703 lol i mean that was the bike i had ready to give this a try. I wanted to give this a test without having to build a new bike. Electronic shifting still can have more precision than mechanical and be lower maintenance and easier installation. Guess you could ask the same question with disc brakes as well. About why to use wireless shifting while still having brake hoses. 🫶

@@stefangrose4954 they must be working on a better distribution and service networks here as well. I agree if they want to be successful long term.

I think lots of people hesitate due to customer service

@@y.a.p8951 yes i could see that. I think and hope this will change over the next years. They need to get a proper service network going.

@@klein-concept fingers 🤞. Healthy competition doesn't anyone yet🥲 Actually , I'm very glad there's company like wheeltop giving a chance to frames.😉

i agree. Even if the groupset is not for you. It puts pressure on the other brands. 🤜🤛

@@TFL00W good idea. Will try to do that 🤜🤛

one year more likely of moderate use.

Thats a good deal. Second hand or new?

@@klein-concept new rival axs rear derailleur 189, blips 89, battery and charger 80 1*TT setup

@@johnnyboy4711 what brake levers are you using?

@@klein-concept SRAM cable brake

That would be real good 🫶

It is 649 euro and you can get it here: bit.ly/4bRpoAK

Yes charging is very easy with magnetic cables. What do you mean with monitor?

@@klein-concept Monitor how much charge is left before it runs out

@@klein-concept Are the gears visible in a bike Computer display, Wahoo / Garmin ?

The rear shifting is very similar. The front shifting is a bit snappier on the L-Twoo i think but as i m not using the front derailleur that often anyways its not really something i notice when riding out.

@@klein-concept cool! But, one question though. Is it too risky buying from ltwoo and wheeltop for the electronic groupset? Or is it all worth it and do you think it will last long same way with shimano and sram ones? Thank you

I dont know how long it will last but with L-Twoo i had good communication when it comes to support.

@@BikeLife154 if you already have a 9100 group i agree. There is no need to upgrade as you already are riding the best mechanical groupset ever made. But if you re building a new bike and want to keep things on a budget this is still an alternative to di2 or axs setups. As you say service remains an issue for most of these brands so far but they are aware and must be working on establishing a service network.

@@klein-concept I understand what you're saying and I'm not here to argue, however, this groupset is £549 I believe in the UK and they provide no crankset or chain. I can buy an Ultegra R8000 rim brake groupset for £699 with the crank and chain. Yes, it's mechanical, but even that I would favour over this stuff coming out of china. I can see landfill galore in the not too distant future from all these broken Chinese groupsets from companies that are dead in a couple of yearš or refuse to help customers because of the financial implications. Btw Ultegra Di2 is £1299 again with a crank and chain. The crankset alone is £199 and the chain around £40-50 so the wheeltop group is now £800 with the cost of these added.

@@BikeLife154 good point and calculation. It is not a bargain and on the edge where you really have to think if you dont want to add that little bit of extra cash to go for Shimano. But for anybody on a really tight budget and who is dreaming of going electronic it is still a valid choice i think. Given that brands like Wheeltop and L-Twoo will be able to establish a proper service network eg in Europe.

Retail prices will come down and the creases will be ironed out in time. If Wheeltop,L-Twoo and Magene etc don't become major players in the electronic groupset market I'll be flabbergasted.

@@timdixo 🫶

Glad to hear you made the Sensah setup work. Most of the time these groupsets are getting really close to Shimano or Sram but require a bit more work when setting them up. Most of the time thats worth it due to the reduced price.

If you want to keep that clean vintage look you are absolutely right. I sometimes like that batmobil touch on a vintage frame 😂😂😂

Haha so well said 🤜🤛

Sorry i completely forgot. Hope that other youtubers will follow up on this. But i will try to do it when i have a second.

@@klein-concept Don't worry. No point now if you've already built up the bike.

Thank you. Good question. But even without update its manageable. 🤜🤛

And they are getting better and better.

@@DerekGreen123 glad you like the video but sad to hear about your experience. Could you maybe send me a dm via instagram with your order details and i try to push them as well.

Question: Did you buy directly from WheelTop or did you buy via an unofficial AliExpress seller?

Haha he s wearing my stuff tho as he had no kit himself.

@@thedronescene7474 Go for a light steel one. You will not regret it 🤜🤛

i just built a Ritchey road logic and she’s nice.. there is also the new Condor Accaio that looks very pretty

Hehe. Finde die Wheeltop ist in sachen gefühlte qualität schon weit vorne. Die neue LTwoo in blau aber auch. Da geht so langsam was.

Dope price 🤌

Its not the most intuitive app but as the options are limited its not too difficult to figure it out within a couple of minutes.

I knew i forgot about something 🫣😬😂😂

@@dgonz6027 i have mainly used the Oxic wheels for one Mallorca trip. So around 500-600 km with LOTS of heavy breaking. Coating is still like new.

I have that Wheelset for around 8000-10000 km, coating is like new.

Beautiful 🫶

Me too 🫶

Thanks a lot 🤜🤛

Always a pleasure. I think its real good value for money. What kind of bike are you planning to build?

@@klein-concept Looking at building up a Supersix Evo and not go too crazy budget-wise - let's see!

Super dope frame. That EDS would fit well there i think.

Hahahahahaha. Sorry for that. Will add more b roll next time 🫣 but glad you enjoyed the video anyways 🤜🤛

No worries at all lol....I wear glasses myself🤓....Good stuff bro🚴🏼🤙🏻

@@logicsetsyoufree9052 🤓🫶🤓