Very nice to see you receiving frames for build up and review. Hope more will come and looking forward for the full build video and your first impressions. Well deserved to get to this point! Congrats! Nice milestone.
Thanks a lot. Also very happy to see that the channel is already gaining some tracktion from these brands. This will be an exciting one. Once the FSA stem arrives i m ready to go 🤜🤛
Beautiful. Really on trend right up to the massive side to side front wheel clearance in the fork. Looks stiff in the seatpost. Probably going to be best with 30/32s. Very sharp paint job. Good luck with the BB.
That could of course be but i think Winspace is by now established enough that if there would be common issues with the frames we would have already heard about it. On the other hand i have also seen other youtubers getting frames for review which have not been perfect either.
@@klein-concept You made a very nice video about building the bike but I'd like you to tell us more about R12 (pros and cons, your general thoughts, user experience, whether you like it or not really...)
I will try to add it in the comparison but bottom line is that i really love the R12. Was almost considering copying it s geometry for my custom titanium build. I only decided against it to be able to better compare steel to titanium ride feel so thats why i went for the Standert geo.
@@klein-concept What about the sizing? Is the R12's size chart similar to European brands? How tall are you and what size you have? I'm 175 cm and I am choosing between 52 and 54.
Hi mate, great video can’t wait to see the build. You say this is only a large, winspace size guide says I should go XL but the frame in your hands looks bigger than my current bike!?
Lets see how the size fits once it is build up. Could also be that it is a bit on the small side but i actually prefer it this way also with my other bikes and then rather have a longer stem.
Can you get feedback from Winspace on why the size medium has a different tire clearance than the other sizes (28mm vs 32mm for the other sizes). Online a customer service rep on the chat speculated that it might be because size medium is from older molds compared to the rest. That is hard to believe that a reputable brand would sell bikes from an older mold/design compared to the fi nal finished design. If you look at their geometry charts, the size medium looks like an odd outlier as it doesn't exactly follow the progression in various measures like chainstay from size to size.
Let me share the quote i got from Winspace which they allowed me to share here: "Our Agile model underwent 8 versions during its development. The medium size you're looking at uses the 7th version of the mold, which has been thoroughly road-tested without any issues. This doesn't mean that the current medium-size frame is 'defective' or 'less perfected.' It's just that our designers made some minor geometric adjustments in the final stages. They aimed to avoid excessive sensitivity in handling. In fact, professional cyclists who tested our seventh version found its handling to be quite impressive. The decision to increase tire clearance was made very late in the development process, so apart from that, the differences are minimal. Essentially, the handling of the seventh version might be perceived as more responsive." Hope this helps. If the tire spacing is so essential for you, it might make sense to wait a bit as i think chances are high that they will update that clearance at some point. But as i m not really riding wider tires than 28mm that would not be an issue for me.
It is a beautiful frame. And build up it looks even better. It is only cheap when you compare it to a Specialized, BMC or any other major brand. If you want to go really cheap and on a budget you could have a look at the Velobuild frames. Will not be as light but they also have some quality frames in their selection.
I am really puzzled..the Agile frame is the same weight of the T1550 (size L, painted, reported at 1050g), fork and seatpost are heavier than T1550..why is the frame advertised as lightweight and aero? what is the gain with respect to the T1550? I think Winspace did not hit the mark this time....
Valid point. I actually wasnt aware that the T1550 has a similar weight. I have now looked at the geo side by side it seems that the Agile is a bit less aggressive and therefore more suitable for a bigger target group of potentially first time road riders. I assume that for that slightly more relaxed geometry it might also be a bit more comfortable on longer climbs.
@@klein-concept the Agile also fits up to 32mm tires while the T1550 is limited to 28mm..I am not convinced yet that we really need to go that wide but I agree that it goes in the direction of confort the other difference between the two models is the carbon fibers used but I am heavily skeptical it is something that the end user will perceive all in all, I think I was expecting something much lighter, an all rounder sitting between the SLC and T1550..I was looking for a "more aero" bike to build and I was planning to go for the Agile but I am now convinced to go for the T1550
@@klein-concept for what is worth in terms of comparison, I own a SLC 2.0 and I can assure you Winspace is mega..extremely stiff but never to the point of being uncomfortable, easy to ride in downhill and well responsive in acceleration..everyone I asked to about the T1550 gave me similar enthusiastic feedbacks, so I am sure the Agile will be a top quality frame too
@@io8787 Very happy to hear that. I have also heard a lot of good things about the Winspace frames starting from the T1500 from a couple years ago. So i m very interested to see how this one rides.
Please take into account that this was with the rear and front derailleur hangers as well as the bottle cage bolts. I think what they list on the site is the weight of the naked frame.
Weight on their website is unpainted, white paint adds probably around 150g. 15g for bottle screws, 30 for the derailler hanger and inserts. Thats how most other manufacturers sell their frame weight too.
Do you mind revealing your height? I am looking to get the size-L version after comparing the geometries with the bikes I've ridden before on GeometryGeeks but it still seems wrong somehow because I am usually an M.
@@klein-concept Thank you! I looked again at the frame geometry and realized how wrong I was xD i am indeed a size M and not L, and your comment just confirmed that haha
NICE FRAME, Schönes Video. ps: be kind to your pooooooor ceramic knife and use a Kartonmesser next time, you don't wanna chip the tip of your ceramic knife, the break so easily.
@@klein-concept bmc, steel bike, standert, yoeleo and now winspace and titanium bike . If don't take into account the tire clearance and brake system, for me they are -/+ the same)
@@Glebaka ah now i understand. I just love a good road bike and there are actually quite some differences when it comes to material. Steel rides way different than carbon and within the carbon frames i am trying to better understand what makes the difference. For example while my BMC is the most expensive one, i like to ride it the least. So with this one i want to see how it rides for example compared to my Yoeleo R12 which i really love.
healthy and smart approach, i totally support trying as many frames as possible, i have and that's how i learned what each can do, really curious what your findings are@@klein-concept
B…S !!!! They sent you a specially prepared frame because they knew you would teste it. It is not the same quality for regular customers! This video is B…S! 😂😂😂
Hey, just to say first, i dont see a reason to start calling this BS. You always have the option to not watch the video. I m putting effort into this and share whatever bikes, tech or frames i have access to. Thats all i can do. So there was either this unboxing or purely no unboxing of the Agile. But anyways of course i can not say if this is a specially prepared frame or just a random one out of the production line. But recently there has been a video by Cam Nicholls who also got a frame for review by another brand and it was obviously not in perfect condition. So one could really argue about if these companies really put that extra effort into review units. During my day job i work in music hardware production and manufacturing and when I send out units for review i just get random units picked from the warehouse as all of them are the same quality. Having special review units would just create too much overhead and effort.
don't ever apologize for getting free stuff, no one would have given it to you had you not earned it. Winspace been doing this a lot, they like sending free stuff for reviews, you have never been cocky or condescending about anything but humble and friendly, keep up the good work, you owe me a full review on the all integrated steel bike vs classic vs carbon frame @@klein-concept
@@ciprian7 thanks a lot. Glad to hear your perspective and really appreciate it. I hope that there will be some sun soon to do some more back to back rides to be able to better compare the bikes. I will at least try to do something like bike profiles to speak a bit more about them and their pro s and con s.
It means nothing to see a review of a product which he was given.He's never going to be honest about it if it is crap or they will never give him anything again @@ciprian7
Very nice to see you receiving frames for build up and review. Hope more will come and looking forward for the full build video and your first impressions. Well deserved to get to this point! Congrats! Nice milestone.
Thanks a lot. Also very happy to see that the channel is already gaining some tracktion from these brands. This will be an exciting one. Once the FSA stem arrives i m ready to go 🤜🤛
I ordered mine a week ago, really excited how it turns out once built up :)
Wicked. Congrats mate. So far looks like an impressive frame. But we will see once it is out on the road 🤜🤛
Well done Michael! Looking forward to the build and ride review👍🏾
Thanks a lot 🫶
Beautiful. Really on trend right up to the massive side to side front wheel clearance in the fork. Looks stiff in the seatpost. Probably going to be best with 30/32s. Very sharp paint job. Good luck with the BB.
Thanks a lot. Yes first impressions and now expectations are really high for this one. 30mm might be a real good idea for this 🤜🤛
Cant wait to see the full build 🥰
Me neither hehe. Waiting for a couple components to arrive and will get started 🤜🤛
Waiting for an in-depth build video to form my opinion of this frameset.
Me too. Lets see how it holds up 🤜🤛
Curious how it´s gonna look built up!! Pumped!! Love your videos
Me too. Thanks a lot 🤜🤛
Cool T-shirt!
From the Bikeshow channel youtube.com/@bikeshowcc
Great frame!
Lets see how it rides 🤜🤛
But they know what to send to whom. Can it be that they put a little more effort(and QA) into preparing that frame for you?
That could of course be but i think Winspace is by now established enough that if there would be common issues with the frames we would have already heard about it.
On the other hand i have also seen other youtubers getting frames for review which have not been perfect either.
Yes, baby!
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I'm waiting for the comparison between Winspace and R12. I'm considering buying one of these and I'm curious which one you find as better.
Will make sure to cover this comparison in the build.
@@klein-concept You made a very nice video about building the bike but I'd like you to tell us more about R12 (pros and cons, your general thoughts, user experience, whether you like it or not really...)
I will try to add it in the comparison but bottom line is that i really love the R12. Was almost considering copying it s geometry for my custom titanium build. I only decided against it to be able to better compare steel to titanium ride feel so thats why i went for the Standert geo.
@@klein-concept What about the sizing? Is the R12's size chart similar to European brands? How tall are you and what size you have? I'm 175 cm and I am choosing between 52 and 54.
Hi mate, great video can’t wait to see the build.
You say this is only a large, winspace size guide says I should go XL but the frame in your hands looks bigger than my current bike!?
Lets see how the size fits once it is build up. Could also be that it is a bit on the small side but i actually prefer it this way also with my other bikes and then rather have a longer stem.
@klein-concept Good point, and perhaps it’s hard to judge when it’s just a frame on its own. I’m excited to see how it turns out.
Me too 🤜🤛
Can you get feedback from Winspace on why the size medium has a different tire clearance than the other sizes (28mm vs 32mm for the other sizes). Online a customer service rep on the chat speculated that it might be because size medium is from older molds compared to the rest. That is hard to believe that a reputable brand would sell bikes from an older mold/design compared to the fi nal finished design. If you look at their geometry charts, the size medium looks like an odd outlier as it doesn't exactly follow the progression in various measures like chainstay from size to size.
Good point. Let me ask. They might be on Chinese New Year holidays already so might take a moment to hear back.
Let me share the quote i got from Winspace which they allowed me to share here:
"Our Agile model underwent 8 versions during its development. The medium size you're looking at uses the 7th version of the mold, which has been thoroughly road-tested without any issues. This doesn't mean that the current medium-size frame is 'defective' or 'less perfected.' It's just that our designers made some minor geometric adjustments in the final stages. They aimed to avoid excessive sensitivity in handling. In fact, professional cyclists who tested our seventh version found its handling to be quite impressive. The decision to increase tire clearance was made very late in the development process, so apart from that, the differences are minimal. Essentially, the handling of the seventh version might be perceived as more responsive."
Hope this helps. If the tire spacing is so essential for you, it might make sense to wait a bit as i think chances are high that they will update that clearance at some point. But as i m not really riding wider tires than 28mm that would not be an issue for me.
@@klein-concept thx for following up and getting a response. Much appreciated
It looks great and i do want one. Only trouble is it's 2k for a "cheap" frame
It is a beautiful frame. And build up it looks even better. It is only cheap when you compare it to a Specialized, BMC or any other major brand. If you want to go really cheap and on a budget you could have a look at the Velobuild frames. Will not be as light but they also have some quality frames in their selection.
Could you please add some closeups of the Inside seattube:)
Will add some endoscope shots in the build video. No problem 🤜🤛
Thanks :))
I am really puzzled..the Agile frame is the same weight of the T1550 (size L, painted, reported at 1050g), fork and seatpost are heavier than T1550..why is the frame advertised as lightweight and aero? what is the gain with respect to the T1550? I think Winspace did not hit the mark this time....
Valid point. I actually wasnt aware that the T1550 has a similar weight. I have now looked at the geo side by side it seems that the Agile is a bit less aggressive and therefore more suitable for a bigger target group of potentially first time road riders. I assume that for that slightly more relaxed geometry it might also be a bit more comfortable on longer climbs.
@@klein-concept the Agile also fits up to 32mm tires while the T1550 is limited to 28mm..I am not convinced yet that we really need to go that wide but I agree that it goes in the direction of confort
the other difference between the two models is the carbon fibers used but I am heavily skeptical it is something that the end user will perceive
all in all, I think I was expecting something much lighter, an all rounder sitting between the SLC and T1550..I was looking for a "more aero" bike to build and I was planning to go for the Agile but I am now convinced to go for the T1550
@@io8787 i also rarely run anything wider than 28 but happy to have the option to push it a bit. Curious to see how it compares to my R12.
@@klein-concept for what is worth in terms of comparison, I own a SLC 2.0 and I can assure you Winspace is mega..extremely stiff but never to the point of being uncomfortable, easy to ride in downhill and well responsive in acceleration..everyone I asked to about the T1550 gave me similar enthusiastic feedbacks, so I am sure the Agile will be a top quality frame too
@@io8787 Very happy to hear that. I have also heard a lot of good things about the Winspace frames starting from the T1500 from a couple years ago. So i m very interested to see how this one rides.
the website says 850g for a medium. Over 1kg for a L seems like they lied on the website?
Please take into account that this was with the rear and front derailleur hangers as well as the bottle cage bolts. I think what they list on the site is the weight of the naked frame.
Weight on their website is unpainted, white paint adds probably around 150g. 15g for bottle screws, 30 for the derailler hanger and inserts. Thats how most other manufacturers sell their frame weight too.
mine still not come yet. waiting my agile
It is worth the wait i think 🤜🤛
Find ich sehr interessant, aber Disc Brakes 🥴 Und einen Händler zu finden, wer einem das zusammenbaut, ist in meiner Gegend literally unmöglich
Ja leider gibts von denen keine rim brake version 🫣. Zusammenbauen geht ganz easy selber. Step by step video kommt demnächst.
Do you mind revealing your height? I am looking to get the size-L version after comparing the geometries with the bikes I've ridden before on GeometryGeeks but it still seems wrong somehow because I am usually an M.
Of course. I am around 187cm. I have not ridden the bike yet but it seems to be the right size from first glance.
@@klein-concept Thank you! I looked again at the frame geometry and realized how wrong I was xD i am indeed a size M and not L, and your comment just confirmed that haha
@@HoshinoMirai glad it helped 🤜🤛
Bro the frame didn’t come with dropbar?
No just the frame but headset seems to be pretty compatible with FSA systems.
Thanks bro can’t wait to see you setup this super machine.
@@bagusla_alhamdulillah me too hehe 🤩
NICE FRAME, Schönes Video.
ps: be kind to your pooooooor ceramic knife and use a Kartonmesser next time, you don't wanna chip the tip of your ceramic knife, the break so easily.
Thank you. Hehe yes for the next unboxing i will use regular scissors 🫣🫶
@@klein-concept i care for the rights and proper handling of ceramic knives 😅
@@luisvalenzuela5132 rightfully so. I will do better in the future 😂😂
That poor ceramic knife! Nice frame.
Ceramic Speed knife 😂😂
@@klein-concept, that's gotta be worth half a watt.
what the point and what you gonna do with thous all, almost the same bikes?))
Which two do you mean being almost the same bike? 🤔
@@klein-concept bmc, steel bike, standert, yoeleo and now winspace and titanium bike . If don't take into account the tire clearance and brake system, for me they are -/+ the same)
@@Glebaka ah now i understand. I just love a good road bike and there are actually quite some differences when it comes to material. Steel rides way different than carbon and within the carbon frames i am trying to better understand what makes the difference. For example while my BMC is the most expensive one, i like to ride it the least. So with this one i want to see how it rides for example compared to my Yoeleo R12 which i really love.
healthy and smart approach, i totally support trying as many frames as possible, i have and that's how i learned what each can do, really curious what your findings are@@klein-concept
My t1550 i m was ligther
Thats wicked 🫶. You mean the frame or full build?
@@klein-concept both😉
@@thomashald8000 hehe nice one. What groupset are you running?
@@klein-concept 105 di2 but with red crank and 1x system so effectively it becomes ligther then da. But lots of small weight mods, 7.06 kilos
@@thomashald8000 love it 🤜🤛
B…S !!!! They sent you a specially prepared frame because they knew you would teste it. It is not the same quality for regular customers! This video is B…S! 😂😂😂
Hey, just to say first, i dont see a reason to start calling this BS. You always have the option to not watch the video. I m putting effort into this and share whatever bikes, tech or frames i have access to. Thats all i can do. So there was either this unboxing or purely no unboxing of the Agile.
But anyways of course i can not say if this is a specially prepared frame or just a random one out of the production line. But recently there has been a video by Cam Nicholls who also got a frame for review by another brand and it was obviously not in perfect condition. So one could really argue about if these companies really put that extra effort into review units.
During my day job i work in music hardware production and manufacturing and when I send out units for review i just get random units picked from the warehouse as all of them are the same quality. Having special review units would just create too much overhead and effort.
you come across as smug and annoying. look what I got for free.
Sorry 🤷🏻♂️
don't ever apologize for getting free stuff, no one would have given it to you had you not earned it. Winspace been doing this a lot, they like sending free stuff for reviews, you have never been cocky or condescending about anything but humble and friendly, keep up the good work, you owe me a full review on the all integrated steel bike vs classic vs carbon frame @@klein-concept
@@ciprian7 thanks a lot. Glad to hear your perspective and really appreciate it.
I hope that there will be some sun soon to do some more back to back rides to be able to better compare the bikes. I will at least try to do something like bike profiles to speak a bit more about them and their pro s and con s.
It means nothing to see a review of a product which he was given.He's never going to be honest about it if it is crap or they will never give him anything again
@@ciprian7
The videos you post of stuff you actually buy are far better. This promotional stuff is obviously terrible@@klein-concept