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Transparency is good.. But know that this is china... Everything is very staged for his visit. I hope all we see and are told is true...but would you trust China telling you something? 😊
@@jasperverkuijl now allegedly hyperspace wheel sets is breaking off from it's hub. Saw a video and was told by a local bike shop it happened. One off but two, need some investigation I guess
@@VishnuRajendranAmbooI wouldn’t worry about it tbh…. I’ve discussed it with a high end wheel builder, it’s blown up and irrelevant. This is what Catastrophic failure looks like, it could happen to any wheel stressed in a way they are not designed to. Side entry spokes is being used all over the market and the amounts of these failures is nihil in relation to the amount of wheels out there….
Jasper, thanks for putting your time, energy, and money into this factory tour. Don't let the haters ruin the taste of a job well done. 🎩👌 It's clear that without 3rd party support (Winspace), this video could not have been made because it would have cost thousands of dollars. And that's too much for an individual creator. - Petr
I appreciate that! It may not even be about the money, it’s simply impossible to go inside these factories without an invite or brand that takes you in. So yeah, 100% I’m happy for the partnership and opportunity that Winspace provides. 👍🏻
I'm riding my T1500 frame set and Hypers wheels since 3 years now and was probably the first in France to own them. Winspace is now my number one choice for frames and wheels ! I'm proud to ride Winspace !
I'M SOLD! I have been convinced that WINSPACE make a top-notch product that I would be proud to own! The decal on the bike does not tell you anything about the quality of the product. But this video certainly does! The wheel video is even better! THANK YOU JASPER AND WINSPACE!
Jasper. This is your calling. Amazing job on the mini documentary showing this process. Thanks to Winspace for letting you in and allowing you to film and ask questions.
For decades, the Chinese have been taught by name brand manufacturers on how to build these products along with all the tools needed. So it was only a matter of time for them to get in on the action. Back in the 1990s we were rebuilding vehicle trim and bumpers that required rechroming, it was a long and complex process that includes cleaning and dipping a specific part into a vat of chromium-based solution. As the new u.s. regulations started to take effect and drive up cost, it was no longer profitable for us. You could actually ship the parts to China to be rechromed and back cheaper than we could do the process here in the u.s. Thanks for the video Jasper!
Hey Jasper, This is a spectacular showcasing of Winspace product. I’m amazed of the quality control that the company employs for their components. You’re a great presenter!! Continue doing this. You have a knack of sharing stuff about cycling!
I bought my first chinese branded carbon parts because of videos like this. Farsports handlebars and crw wheels. If i had seen this video first and not another, i may have gone winspace. Its clear there is a lot of high quality coming from china.
We where not allowed to go to the frame factory all week because they were producing other brand frames so sure, they won’t let us in. there wasn’t much I couldn’t show about Winspace or Lún. Just the other brands where kept out of the picture.
Jasper! Too much to ads to single producer. Is it a bad thing? Yes if you try to be a transparent video maker. Though you truly tried to make it as just a tour...
Your opinion 👍🏻 “Just a tour” through these factories is not possible. You can’t go there if you’re not invited. I’m super clear about the fact I’m there on invitation of Winspace. Then show stuff you’ve never seen before. If you like it great, if you don’t, fine 🤙🏻 My conclusion stands, it doesn’t matter what company I use to get the inside scoop.
I don't think there is anything secretive about making any of these carbon frame. It's really down to craftmanship and attention to detail. It's not like these are semiconductors where there are trade secrets to making the most cutting edge and advanced chips.
True. It’s a puzzle of carbon pieces that needs to be layed out. However the design and layup is very precise and what makes a good or bad bike with the same carbon…
Winspace Bikes are sure a well designed and safe Bikes , but the problem in China is that theres a lot of bike makers who are doing fake bikes and you dont know now which is real or not..
The slc3 is coming. Probably with t47 like the new 1550gen2 but I’m not sure. Some people are negative about t47 so I don’t know if it’s a good thing 🤷🏼♂️
thanks Jasper, i think this is very worthful information. Make us aware of what needs to be considered in selecting the products. Thanks for Winspace for willing to open their process.
Im not sold. T800 material is quite cheap and lots of similar bikes are much cheaper. Usually bikes made of t800 carbon fibers are soft and heavy simultaneously. That's just a winspace promo. Se si
@@brucegelman5582 will do it with pleasure, wish a long lasting life to your chinarello, but I doubt it does. And again bikes made of t800 are twice cheaper. But I don't remember who else besides Ali bikes produce their bikes using that kind of materials. Even Yoeleo claims their bikes are made of t1100 toray, which is well used among the brands.
It’s all bullshit mate. According to Stephen, smaller brands can’t even get their hands on T1000 grade carbon because it’s also used in military etc and there is limited supply. A frame is usually a mix of different grades carbon. And the brand will proudly mention using T1000 or 1100 when they maybe use a piece of it in the frame (or not and just claim they do…) but it won’t be the complete bike from that material. T800 isn’t cheap, T1000 is just much more expensive. The new agile and SLC of Winspace use T1000 and new carbon technology to get a high end frame. The Winspace t1550 is notoriously stiff actually so not sure what you are talking about it being soft and heavy….
My T1550 (White and black) Disk frame is due to arrive any day now. Can't wait to build it up and race the hell out of it. I ride in England which is notorious for terrible roads with constant rough tarmac, temperamental weather and technical roads. So build quality matters to me. The world needs to know about Winspace and they need to keep their prices where they are and their quality where it is and they'll quickly be ridden globally.
Non existent warranty and support, winspace products are very good, especially the wheels, but I wouldn't use or recommend it yo anyone because there's no support if you ever need.
@@jasperverkuijlthat guy also said a handlebar is made of only two layers of carbon fiber. It seemed like he didn't know all the manufacturing details. The R&D guy was more knowledgeable about the manufacturing.
Great report mate… I really love the triggered people making comments about where their frames are made refusing to accept that 99% of frames (and other carbon cycling products) are ALL made in China.
interesting and disappointing at the same time:-) Loved the production processes of a top spech factory but it would be spicier to know about real Chinarello's 🙂
@@jasperverkuijl i had it about 3 month ago if im not wrong. it very good bike. for senior rider agile is the best middle ground. because our back not as strong as before agile very forgiving the curve on top tube work very well it like tremor absorber. i love climbing ride agile geometry make shoulder more relax. the bottom bracket section is the best. i think because it very bulky on the bottom bracket. it give very good stability and when we rocking the bike it feel very responsive i feel very powerful when do dance.
great video. I am going to visit shanghai in a few weeks. Do you think one could save money by buying carbon frame road bikes in China as opposed to the US? Working with a budget of $1500.
You mean buy it it China vs us, or buying us brand va Chinese brand? 1500 won’t get you a carbon bike. So try to get one (rim brake) second hand, or buy aluminum instead. Watch my bike build video of my Winspace SLC2, it has a price breakdown too.
Geweldige video. Rij al sinds 2016 op chineese frames. Een frame (Carbonda gravelracer) al 8 jaar mee gefietst en niet zuinig mee geweest. Recentelijk met 18kg bagage mee naar Santiago de Compestela gefietst. Geen enkel probleem. Mijn motto is dan ook "Ik betaal niet voor stickers". Volgens mij is dat ook de reden dat je niet op die andere afdelingen mag kijken. Daar liggen waarschijnlijk teveel stickers van bekende merken😁. Moet ook wel lachen om de naïviteit van een artikel zoals recent (sept 2024) in Fietssport over de van Rysel fiets. "Omdat ze zo groot zijn kunnen ze zo goed inkopen!" Duh. Laat me raden waar ze dat inkopen doen.🤣
People often mixed China's knockoff frame as same as legit brand from China like Winspace, they are totally different thing. Glad to see more brands starting to show how they made their bikes. Giant, Time, Factor and now Winspace, when come to making carbon bikes and components, far east is the master. Don't really see much Western or Europe "Prestige" brand doing this as they have their production line outsourced to far east as well, Pinarello literally release a "How we painted our frame in Italy that came from far east" LMAO.
Time frames are made in Slovakia, but they're the exception to the rule. 3T make SOME of their frames in Italy. Colnago as well (the tour riders on colnago are on Chinese made colnago)
@@pierrex3226 I know, Time is still making their own frame, look as well. 3T Im not familiar with. C68 seem made in Italy according to Colnago. Bianchi recently shifts some of the production back to Italy as well.
@@Sam321goor that the brand (Winspace, scott, whatever) doesn’t make the bike, and so one winspace bike is not made the same as another (different factories), and the only thing that they “own” is the sticker on the side of the bike. No hate to winspace tho as I own a t1550
Well I believe that the brand designs the bike and sets specs for the frame. The factory has the knowledge to do the correct layup to meet these specs. So different specs from different brands will make different bikes. So no, they are not all the same with a different sticker. Even though they come from the same factory. (Check my other part of the documentary for more about this!)
Mate of mine got send in 3 (!) T1550 frames before he had a actual good one . Lack of quality control? Also hearing from bad customer service after 2 years for a replacement fork (which isn't available anymore). Despite this brand marketing video through a bike influencer, It still makes me doubt to buy one of these. Change my mind.
There are always some negative experiences so I won’t deny whatever you’re saying. (Look at all the problems big brands like trek, Cannondale and socialized goes through so it’s not specific for Winspace..) I can only say what I’ve seen was very good and you can maybe try further with customer support
Probably because China doesn’t have that many people that are that big so the market is so small for that size, the cost (a new mold, layup, testing etc) won’t live up to the revenue of a few sold bikes… (I think that is the reason..)
@@jasperverkuijlI’m 6’ 3” and the 540 T1500 it ok for me. If I had known I would have ordered an extra set of spacers fit the bars (also Winspace) as I could do with the bars slightly higher.
Excellent tour Jasper..!!! Thank you Winspace..!!! They make frames for Giant, Trek and many other name brands. Please check the bottom brackets for a perfect fit …. Hambini will be happy…. LOL
i have g2 xs for a year now and bought it for 900$ use it with 105 r7000 with 2 wheel sets one alu with 35 panarecer for gravel and the other one is lun 45 with 25 conti just ordered slc 2.0 for only 1030$ and i will put my lun in it . love winspace ❤
@@jasperverkuijl the stress test for every handlebar. they make so many of them when will they ever finish packing them if they gotta wait 10000 cycles for each
I worked in the manufacturing industry. This test is carried out in the R&D stage. If every single piece is tested, he probably meant every prototype. If this is a part of production QC, not every single one will be tested.
It’s what he told me. Tbh We were kind of questioning it and tried to calculate how many they would have to do in a day. I’m going to ask again 👍🏻 I am SURE that every handlebar and front fork is checked by X-ray! They have a massive new X-ray machine now in operation
Cool. Thanks for all the work this took I wonder if the production factory company name was Adapt... Or Speeder .. or something else? (I know you cant/won't tell us)
They need an endurance frame! With threaded BB, external cables and 40 mm tyre clearance guess what - they will dominate the mass market. With race frames, it's not the case. Personally, I will buy two, for myself and my dad. Riding their pair of wheels for 3 seasons now, very satisfied.
Great vid Jas. You’re a natural👌Very educational & informative production buddy. I’ve been a Winspace fan for many years. Solid & trustworthy company. Hope they continue their great work 👍💪👍
Thanks for a very interesting video. Couldn't help noticing this: 13:26: lady in Winspace's own factory is wearing double gloves while handling epoxy prepreg. 31:19 lady in 3rd party frame factory is not using any gloves at all while handling prepreg. Wonder if this is some new type of prepreg ;-)
Hello Jasper how are you doing today? Listen,I have a question for you.I want to order a frame set and a handlebar ,but I don’t know the exact size,could you help me please? Frames:Agile red and black. Handlebar: Zero SL.Thanks everything.
sounds like a very big hike for you? I find 58 quite big for myself. Also bars can be narrower. 40 would be good. 38 possibly if you’re flexible and want to be aero. Again, compare the geo tables 👍🏻
Excellent video Jasper. I have 2 sets of Winspace wheels, I needed parts recently, contacted Winspace directly and they sent me a new hub straight away. The Agile is top runner for my next frame
Winspace is one of those Chinese brand you can fully trust they are transparent has a very nice costumer service and if you need frame replacement they are willing to replace it asap as long as you described to them how you damage the frame, you just need to be honest with them.
15:39 what kind of QC is this if even on this unfocused shot you can see that the thickness of the wall is uneven? It's not even round. Top notch PR for selecting a faulty item for promotional video. 👌
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Transparency makes you trust the brand more 💯 Kudos to Winspace for showing this video 👍
Thanks 👍🏻
Transparency is good.. But know that this is china... Everything is very staged for his visit. I hope all we see and are told is true...but would you trust China telling you something? 😊
Just remember this... The Chinese are trying to Steal the Netherlands's most important technology... ASML's tools to make smart chips.
Yup
The passion from the founder says it all
Yes that’s what I think too!
@@jasperverkuijl now allegedly hyperspace wheel sets is breaking off from it's hub. Saw a video and was told by a local bike shop it happened.
One off but two, need some investigation I guess
@@VishnuRajendranAmbooI wouldn’t worry about it tbh…. I’ve discussed it with a high end wheel builder, it’s blown up and irrelevant. This is what Catastrophic failure looks like, it could happen to any wheel stressed in a way they are not designed to. Side entry spokes is being used all over the market and the amounts of these failures is nihil in relation to the amount of wheels out there….
@@jasperverkuijl cool.. I guess as much.. thanks for info
Jasper, thanks for putting your time, energy, and money into this factory tour. Don't let the haters ruin the taste of a job well done. 🎩👌 It's clear that without 3rd party support (Winspace), this video could not have been made because it would have cost thousands of dollars. And that's too much for an individual creator.
- Petr
I appreciate that!
It may not even be about the money, it’s simply impossible to go inside these factories without an invite or brand that takes you in. So yeah, 100% I’m happy for the partnership and opportunity that Winspace provides. 👍🏻
@@jasperverkuijl amen. 😅
Don't let these Chinese fool you
@@marquesreyes3287you them fools that throw money at enve and zipp huh? Puto😅
I'm riding my T1500 frame set and Hypers wheels since 3 years now and was probably the first in France to own them.
Winspace is now my number one choice for frames and wheels !
I'm proud to ride Winspace !
Nice!
Lol, wait till you're forced to speak Mandarin
Ni-hao
you should bike to china :)
The founder is still there... what a FANTASTIC video!!! NOT even a hint of arrogance in Stephen Tsai. Dank & Tot Zeins Jasper...
🙌🏻🙌🏻thank you
That's exactly what I was thinking too!
I'M SOLD! I have been convinced that WINSPACE make a top-notch product that I would be proud to own! The decal on the bike does not tell you anything about the quality of the product. But this video certainly does! The wheel video is even better! THANK YOU JASPER AND WINSPACE!
🙏🙏🤙🏻🤙🏻
Jasper. This is your calling. Amazing job on the mini documentary showing this process. Thanks to Winspace for letting you in and allowing you to film and ask questions.
Thanks 🙏
Don't be a traitor ;) you have Lynskey emblem I love that brand !!!! My go-to bike all the time
Wow., hope they gave you a few bikes as this video will help many people make the decision to go with Winspace over other Chinese brands
I got to keep the black and white bike 🙌🏻
For decades, the Chinese have been taught by name brand manufacturers on how to build these products along with all the tools needed. So it was only a matter of time for them to get in on the action.
Back in the 1990s we were rebuilding vehicle trim and bumpers that required rechroming, it was a long and complex process that includes cleaning and dipping a specific part into a vat of chromium-based solution.
As the new u.s. regulations started to take effect and drive up cost, it was no longer profitable for us. You could actually ship the parts to China to be rechromed and back cheaper than we could do the process here in the u.s.
Thanks for the video Jasper!
Yep, al long as someone checks the quality and pays enough, they will make high quality stuff 👌
Hey Jasper,
This is a spectacular showcasing of Winspace product. I’m amazed of the quality control that the company employs for their components. You’re a great presenter!! Continue doing this. You have a knack of sharing stuff about cycling!
Thank you 🙏
I bought my first chinese branded carbon parts because of videos like this. Farsports handlebars and crw wheels. If i had seen this video first and not another, i may have gone winspace. Its clear there is a lot of high quality coming from china.
Farsports is a solid brand too!🤙🏻🤙🏻
I know they choose what to show and tell, but still great to see
We where not allowed to go to the frame factory all week because they were producing other brand frames so sure, they won’t let us in.
there wasn’t much I couldn’t show about Winspace or Lún. Just the other brands where kept out of the picture.
@@jasperverkuijldrop the names mate!
Cant haha. I’d like to go back one day to find out more and dig deeper 😜
Thanks Jasper for the reporting. Never hurts to now more about quality and safety.
Great job! Always like to see how the industry really works.
Mon... S Works
Tue... BMC
Wed... Cannondale
Thu... Pinarello
Fri... day off
😂
Jasper!
Too much to ads to single producer. Is it a bad thing? Yes if you try to be a transparent video maker. Though you truly tried to make it as just a tour...
Your opinion 👍🏻
“Just a tour” through these factories is not possible. You can’t go there if you’re not invited. I’m super clear about the fact I’m there on invitation of Winspace. Then show stuff you’ve never seen before. If you like it great, if you don’t, fine 🤙🏻
My conclusion stands, it doesn’t matter what company I use to get the inside scoop.
Great to see videos like this! I'm very impressed with Winspace.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Cant wait for Cannondale, Trek, Specialized to go bankrupt forever
That would also be a shame. They do lots of cool development too!🙌🏻 and they have super nice bikes. Just a bit expensive 😅
Thank you and thank Winspace for the video.
I don't think there is anything secretive about making any of these carbon frame. It's really down to craftmanship and attention to detail. It's not like these are semiconductors where there are trade secrets to making the most cutting edge and advanced chips.
True. It’s a puzzle of carbon pieces that needs to be layed out. However the design and layup is very precise and what makes a good or bad bike with the same carbon…
Winspace Bikes are sure a well designed and safe Bikes , but the problem in China is that theres a lot of bike makers who are doing fake bikes and you dont know now which is real or not..
Sure you do, just buy off an official Winspace dealer or straight from their website and you will have the real deal 🤙🏻
Love this great docu. It helps me decide my choice. TQ
Great to hear!
Terrific video Jasper!
Thank you 🙏
This is all SO labour intensive that I would advise anyone considering a Winspace or similar frame to buy it now, as prices MUST rise....
All carbon bikes are like this until they find a way to do it with a machine (they probably will in the future
This video makes me buy alloy frames. ^^
you should have asked them if there was going to be a "SLC3.0" with T47BB!!! Indeed, thanks for the video.
The slc3 is coming. Probably with t47 like the new 1550gen2 but I’m not sure.
Some people are negative about t47 so I don’t know if it’s a good thing 🤷🏼♂️
thanks Jasper, i think this is very worthful information. Make us aware of what needs to be considered in selecting the products. Thanks for Winspace for willing to open their process.
Awesome! Thanks 🙏
20:11 - USSR flag :o
Thanks! Really nice and kudos for Winspace to show this
Thanks for the tip 👌
Loved the intro! Thanks for sharing 👍
Im not sold. T800 material is quite cheap and lots of similar bikes are much cheaper. Usually bikes made of t800 carbon fibers are soft and heavy simultaneously. That's just a winspace promo. Se si
Enjoy your 15,000 dollar bike
@@brucegelman5582 will do it with pleasure, wish a long lasting life to your chinarello, but I doubt it does. And again bikes made of t800 are twice cheaper. But I don't remember who else besides Ali bikes produce their bikes using that kind of materials. Even Yoeleo claims their bikes are made of t1100 toray, which is well used among the brands.
It’s all bullshit mate.
According to Stephen, smaller brands can’t even get their hands on T1000 grade carbon because it’s also used in military etc and there is limited supply.
A frame is usually a mix of different grades carbon. And the brand will proudly mention using T1000 or 1100 when they maybe use a piece of it in the frame (or not and just claim they do…) but it won’t be the complete bike from that material.
T800 isn’t cheap,
T1000 is just much more expensive.
The new agile and SLC of Winspace use T1000 and new carbon technology to get a high end frame.
The Winspace t1550 is notoriously stiff actually so not sure what you are talking about it being soft and heavy….
My T1550 (White and black) Disk frame is due to arrive any day now. Can't wait to build it up and race the hell out of it. I ride in England which is notorious for terrible roads with constant rough tarmac, temperamental weather and technical roads. So build quality matters to me. The world needs to know about Winspace and they need to keep their prices where they are and their quality where it is and they'll quickly be ridden globally.
Awesome man.
Use some wide tires on those English roads 😜
Have fun!🤙🏻🤙🏻
Non existent warranty and support, winspace products are very good, especially the wheels, but I wouldn't use or recommend it yo anyone because there's no support if you ever need.
How do you mean? You can get in touch with them about warranty etc through chat on website and email
I liked and subscribed to your channel because of this video. It was wonderful, a meaningful trip.
Awesome, thank you! Welcome to the channel 🙌🏻
Great job man!!!!!!
Great video, super culture in the office & factory as well. I would love to implement a nap time at work!
Yep, common practice in China 👍🏻
Isn't carbon fiber dangerous to manipulate with bare hands and lungs? This is what i heard.
If you start grinding or sawing it is smart to wear a proper mask
The fatigue test is also not for every handlebar. Is only for random selected handlebars.
Thats what the CEO said🤷🏼♂️
The drop test is only for some because the bars get destroyed. The fatigue test is for all of them
@@jasperverkuijl I honestly believe he got kind of confuse and said yes not realizing what the question actually was.
@@jasperverkuijlthat guy also said a handlebar is made of only two layers of carbon fiber. It seemed like he didn't know all the manufacturing details. The R&D guy was more knowledgeable about the manufacturing.
Thanks Jasper; very interesting and I will consider Winspace for my next bike.
Awesome 👏
Amazing to see Winspace dealer network now. I remember watching Joes (China Cycling) vid when he worked for Winspace years ago, good on them.
Yup. Joe was my first connection with Winspace and I still talk to him 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Great report mate… I really love the triggered people making comments about where their frames are made refusing to accept that 99% of frames (and other carbon cycling products) are ALL made in China.
Huh? Everybody knows they are made in China ( except for just a few Time/Look fanatics)
Yeah I know man. If you want to have fun, go to my Instagram and read the comments on the trailer 🤷🏼♂️🤯
When comes to manufacturing, China is at another level. Thank you for doing this documentary. BTW, u forgot to mention your 3rd job - pilot.
I figure I keep it cycling related 😜
interesting and disappointing at the same time:-) Loved the production processes of a top spech factory but it would be spicier to know about real Chinarello's 🙂
I try to stay away from them actually
got agile in a hand. it great bike.
Awesome! Build it up yet??
@@jasperverkuijl i had it about 3 month ago if im not wrong. it very good bike. for senior rider agile is the best middle ground. because our back not as strong as before agile very forgiving the curve on top tube work very well it like tremor absorber. i love climbing ride agile geometry make shoulder more relax.
the bottom bracket section is the best. i think because it very bulky on the bottom bracket. it give very good stability and when we rocking the bike it feel very responsive i feel very powerful when do dance.
Awesome!
great video. I am going to visit shanghai in a few weeks. Do you think one could save money by buying carbon frame road bikes in China as opposed to the US? Working with a budget of $1500.
You mean buy it it China vs us, or buying us brand va Chinese brand?
1500 won’t get you a carbon bike. So try to get one (rim brake) second hand, or buy aluminum instead.
Watch my bike build video of my Winspace SLC2, it has a price breakdown too.
WINSPACE FANCY SENDING US A BIKE 🖖👍
A bit off Topic but not Really! Fox Racing Suspensions and DNM Shocks is manufactured in the same street! LOL
Haha oh really!? Nice (same street, so you know here this is😎)
well....1st set for test sample is different than rest of production standard.....well, been there done that.
What do you mean? The first example is obviously always different than the mass production end product
Lun grapide gravel wheel set here in the Philippines is around 40,000 - 42,000 pesos.
Is that a lot or not? I have no idea
Geweldige video. Rij al sinds 2016 op chineese frames. Een frame (Carbonda gravelracer) al 8 jaar mee gefietst en niet zuinig mee geweest. Recentelijk met 18kg bagage mee naar Santiago de Compestela gefietst. Geen enkel probleem. Mijn motto is dan ook "Ik betaal niet voor stickers". Volgens mij is dat ook de reden dat je niet op die andere afdelingen mag kijken. Daar liggen waarschijnlijk teveel stickers van bekende merken😁. Moet ook wel lachen om de naïviteit van een artikel zoals recent (sept 2024) in Fietssport over de van Rysel fiets. "Omdat ze zo groot zijn kunnen ze zo goed inkopen!" Duh. Laat me raden waar ze dat inkopen doen.🤣
Ik heb eigenlijk alle afdelingen gezien maar mag er alleen niks over zeggen 😂😂
4 in chinese is the same sound like death. Just slightly different pronunciation (tone)
Ah, not good!
People often mixed China's knockoff frame as same as legit brand from China like Winspace, they are totally different thing. Glad to see more brands starting to show how they made their bikes. Giant, Time, Factor and now Winspace, when come to making carbon bikes and components, far east is the master. Don't really see much Western or Europe "Prestige" brand doing this as they have their production line outsourced to far east as well, Pinarello literally release a "How we painted our frame in Italy that came from far east" LMAO.
Time frames are made in Slovakia, but they're the exception to the rule. 3T make SOME of their frames in Italy. Colnago as well (the tour riders on colnago are on Chinese made colnago)
@@pierrex3226 I know, Time is still making their own frame, look as well. 3T Im not familiar with. C68 seem made in Italy according to Colnago. Bianchi recently shifts some of the production back to Italy as well.
Especially liked the part where she hammers the bottom bracket into place.
😂 needs a tight fit!! 🫡🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Need some hawk tuah then
I'd like to see the carbon mountain bike productions
They don’t do Mtb unfortunately
So basically, we are riding the stickers 😅
This isn't news.
What do you mean? Riding the stickers?
@@jasperverkuijl he means that they just stick big layers (sticker) together
@@Sam321goor that the brand (Winspace, scott, whatever) doesn’t make the bike, and so one winspace bike is not made the same as another (different factories), and the only thing that they “own” is the sticker on the side of the bike. No hate to winspace tho as I own a t1550
Well I believe that the brand designs the bike and sets specs for the frame. The factory has the knowledge to do the correct layup to meet these specs.
So different specs from different brands will make different bikes.
So no, they are not all the same with a different sticker. Even though they come from the same factory. (Check my other part of the documentary for more about this!)
wish paint jobs
HATE TO SAY - MORE SIMPLE
pinarello silver and black inner faces where dirt is
few 3d gloss silver/pink or red/blue
Its very cool seeing the craftspersonship while making the frame.
Riding like this in China roads, very wrong and risky
It all went well 👍🏻
Great documentary and highly informative, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! 🫡
Does someone know the adress of them in Xiamen ?
Of who? Winspace? The frame factory? The handlebar factory? The rim manufacturer? We visited multiple places
Awesome 👍
Hi Tony!
Thanks for sharing this content Jasper. Keep making more, We’ll gladly watch.
show bikes.. not just both of your faces :D
Very informative 👏 and the still make a rim break frame
Mate of mine got send in 3 (!) T1550 frames before he had a actual good one . Lack of quality control? Also hearing from bad customer service after 2 years for a replacement fork (which isn't available anymore). Despite this brand marketing video through a bike influencer, It still makes me doubt to buy one of these. Change my mind.
There are always some negative experiences so I won’t deny whatever you’re saying. (Look at all the problems big brands like trek, Cannondale and socialized goes through so it’s not specific for Winspace..)
I can only say what I’ve seen was very good and you can maybe try further with customer support
Geeewellldig Jasper 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼ik heb me vaak afgevraagd hoe deze frames gemaakt werden
why the underling music oh the content is not enough
Why no 63cm Frames How about us tall riders
Probably because China doesn’t have that many people that are that big so the market is so small for that size, the cost (a new mold, layup, testing etc) won’t live up to the revenue of a few sold bikes…
(I think that is the reason..)
@@jasperverkuijlI’m 6’ 3” and the 540 T1500 it ok for me. If I had known I would have ordered an extra set of spacers fit the bars (also Winspace) as I could do with the bars slightly higher.
Excellent tour Jasper..!!! Thank you Winspace..!!! They make frames for Giant, Trek and many other name brands. Please check the bottom brackets for a perfect fit …. Hambini will be happy…. LOL
Not sure what you mean.. ?
they don’t produce for giant or trek…
Sheer determination to produce exceptional products
Really impressed with this, thank you and thank you winspace 👌
Glad you like it!
🎵 I’m number 1. I did it before. I’ll do it again…. I’m number 1! 🎵
Hopefully they will be a major tour sponsor and people will stop thinking chinese frames are junk...maybe
They are sponsoring a women’s team. They did Giro this year and are looking to get into the Tour de France next year 🙌🏻
It's the same in the japanese culture for the number four. Chi, number 4 is very unlucky.
🙌🏻👍🏻
21:34 my man reppin dat 1:1 Moncler like a boss
i have g2 xs for a year now and bought it for 900$ use it with 105 r7000 with 2 wheel sets one alu with 35 panarecer for gravel and the other one is lun 45 with 25 conti just ordered slc 2.0 for only 1030$ and i will put my lun in it .
love winspace ❤
Nice!
“can we show some machine not working?"
"Errh...no..."
😂why am I getting a Borat vibe...
Hahahaha it was quite funny actually
Great work Jasper!!! Also great from Winspace, definitely the leading Chinese bike brand in the western market right now!
Thanks mate
Very interesting
Thanks for watching
as much as chris seems cool...every piece is not even remotely believable,,,
What part is not believable?
@@jasperverkuijl the stress test for every handlebar. they make so many of them when will they ever finish packing them if they gotta wait 10000 cycles for each
I worked in the manufacturing industry. This test is carried out in the R&D stage. If every single piece is tested, he probably meant every prototype. If this is a part of production QC, not every single one will be tested.
@@pinkbearoscar Oh ok got it...👍
It’s what he told me. Tbh We were kind of questioning it and tried to calculate how many they would have to do in a day.
I’m going to ask again 👍🏻
I am SURE that every handlebar and front fork is checked by X-ray! They have a massive new X-ray machine now in operation
Jasper!! So very well done! Thank you, Love this!
Cool. Thanks for all the work this took
I wonder if the production factory company name was Adapt... Or Speeder .. or something else? (I know you cant/won't tell us)
Not it was a different one 😜
They need an endurance frame!
With threaded BB, external cables and 40 mm tyre clearance guess what - they will dominate the mass market.
With race frames, it's not the case.
Personally, I will buy two, for myself and my dad.
Riding their pair of wheels for 3 seasons now, very satisfied.
The c5 is their endurance bike. Just launched recently
Great vid Jas. You’re a natural👌Very educational & informative production buddy. I’ve been a Winspace fan for many years. Solid & trustworthy company. Hope they continue their great work 👍💪👍
Glad you enjoyed it
thank you Jasper for this very informative video ❤🚴🏻♀
My pleasure!
Hell yes. I would definitely consider purchasing one of these. Great video.
You should!🙌🏻🙌🏻
lol, nothing new here. Everything is made is china, not just carbon wheels.
Still Most people don’t know or think their favorite brand has its own factory in their own country..
Thanks for a very interesting video. Couldn't help noticing this: 13:26: lady in Winspace's own factory is wearing double gloves while handling epoxy prepreg. 31:19 lady in 3rd party frame factory is not using any gloves at all while handling prepreg. Wonder if this is some new type of prepreg ;-)
Yeah I don’t know tbh. Guess they should all be using gloves. I didn’t know it was a thing when I was there
Riding a bicycle on a motorway? Seriously?😂
Everything for the right shot😜
It wasn’t a “motorway”. Just a bigger road but not that high speeds and lots of stop signs etc
Hello Jasper how are you doing today? Listen,I have a question for you.I want to order a frame set and a handlebar ,but I don’t know the exact size,could you help me please? Frames:Agile red and black. Handlebar: Zero SL.Thanks everything.
I’m 6.1 means 185cm.without shoes. Thx
Do you have another bike currently? You can compare the stack and reach tables of the frames.
I have a SLC 2 and T1550 in size L and I’m about the same height. So I’m think L
@@jasperverkuijl Hey Jasper,yes I have a Specialized Tarmac size 58. Stem size 120,handlebar size 420.
sounds like a very big hike for you? I find 58 quite big for myself. Also bars can be narrower. 40 would be good. 38 possibly if you’re flexible and want to be aero.
Again, compare the geo tables 👍🏻
Excellent video Jasper. I have 2 sets of Winspace wheels, I needed parts recently, contacted Winspace directly and they sent me a new hub straight away. The Agile is top runner for my next frame
That’s great to hear mate! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 don’t forget that code 👉🏻 cyclingfanatics
🤙🏻
Makes me even happier with my winspace T1550 purchase!
Nice!
Congratulation Jasper new ambasador Winspace
Ive been with Winspace for years. Nothing new 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Height test, he said 550cm, but your wording show is 550mm*
yes its on purpose, that's the correction on what Stephen said. He said 550cm but meant 550mm (55 cm)
Winspace is one of those Chinese brand you can fully trust they are transparent has a very nice costumer service and if you need frame replacement they are willing to replace it asap as long as you described to them how you damage the frame, you just need to be honest with them.
Great to hear your positive thoughts 🤙🏻
Damn, I remember you from that canyon crash video. It's been a long journey
Long time ago!
15:39 what kind of QC is this if even on this unfocused shot you can see that the thickness of the wall is uneven? It's not even round. Top notch PR for selecting a faulty item for promotional video. 👌
Looks fine to me. Maybe you are looking at the edge burr or something.
how do they smoothen the internal frame from having sharp unfinished spikes?
The latex inside makes it super smooth
Why don't you also mention western brand name carbon bikes that fell apart!
Why? That wasn’t the point of this video… I’m not sure what you mean or where you want to go..?