Choosing A Road Bike Saddle - Pro Bike Fitters Honest Opinion
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Nice to see James back on the Channel! I would love to see some bike adventures like in the good old days as well ;)
Same!
I wonder if James ever tried SQLab (they use a raised tail where you sit on, your perineum hovers over the front). Their active version has an elastomer in it so it can move with your hip (?) as you are pedaling.
I'm on a Selle SMP VT30c at the moment, saddle pressure mapping showed pressure being almost at the edge, I think I sit fairly wide, but then my legs seem to rub the nose - it's its shiny now
Hi James and company...
The sadle you're selling the majority of, is it the "SLR BOOST ENDURANCE TI 316 SUPERFLOW" version?
Best regards, Brian
Really interesting video ! :)
I've got a question : how do you set the saddle tilt, particularly for SLR Boost S3 ? Levelling ? From where ?
Feel in line with your argument at 6:20, I've been recommended a Power Arc saddle 155mm width to put pressure on my seatbones, but i'm actually sliding toward the nose of the... noseless saddle because my thighs are not allowing me to get to the actual 155mm width zone...
I was considering to switch to SLR boost and your video is very timely ;)
I like my saddle, which doesn't have a full hole for a channel (just a nice groove, but no hole). But I kinda wish it had a hole, not for sake of my butt, but for the sake of when I lock up and then get back to my bike to find it has been rained on. I got a soggy puddle to sit on with my saddle if it rains!
Hello! Is there someone out there that has the prologo scratch m5? Opinions? Thanks
i seem to remember James had a video on how horrible short nosed saddles were. now it's his best selling saddle? curious why the change of opinion. would love a video covering that. ty...entertaining and informative video as always.
Probably because most manufacturers are producing more of them.
I am deeply upset that you no longer call videos with James "Bike Fit Tuesdays." Otherwise, great video, always happy to see James.
It's Sunday
@@ct1361 Bike fit Tuesday, never actually filmed or posted on Tuesday
I’m regular upset 😢
Not click baity enough
X2
Pretty much everything worth learning about saddles and riding position, I learned from watching James’ videos. I’ve gone from numb d*** and sore backside to comfortable 100 mile sportive. Thanks James.
Issue I've had with available bike fitters is that they all had brand deals so stocked one brand of saddle and ofc always said the last fitter got it wrong and I'll be fine with one of their saddles.
And if I wasn't willing to buy one, they would just peg any discomfort i had on my none willingness to buy the saddle rather than their terrible fit.
(I say terrible because my last 3 fits caused me terrible injuries)
That's why as much as I like to get a bike fit, if they fit me wrong I'm screwed.
There's really only ONE way to find the "right" saddle - good ol' trial and error. IMHO any bike shop worth a s__t should let you try some. I'm sure more makers than just my friends at SMP have trial programs? Back-in-the-day when it was just Rolls, Turbo or Regal our shop had test versions of each for clients to try. Once they decided, the "tester" went back in the display case and a brand-new saddle of the make/model they chose was installed.
Saddles may have changed but rear-ends remain the same...everyone's different!
Corruption in the cycling industry? Say it aint so!
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 I've never been to a bike shop that does testers. You just buy it and take it back if it doesn't fit. And hope that you don't damage it during the two weeks or so you get with it.
Pelvically disoriented. You learn something new with James every time 😂
Just switched from a Fabric saddle to the Selle Italia slr boost endurance superflow. It felt incredibly comfortable. My sit bones are now supporting me:)
I'm 2 meters tall (6'7") but have narrow sit bones (measured at 95 mm in a cycling posture). I tried a few different saddles but now use SQLab's 612 in its smallest 12 cm width on my road bike. The best cycling purchase I've ever made. Their design of saddles is quite different from other brands and I'd like to see more channels like this check them out.
Agree! I was sliding around on my previous saddles ( which were too wide I admit). Now using the SQLab 612R and pretty much fixed in position. Took some time to get used to, but can ride GFs without saddle pain.
For me the saddle width has been the most important change, I went from a 140mm saddle to a 130mm (they were about the same shape) and it helped a lot!
What's your sit bone width? I kinda have the same issue
@@comedyman112 wondering the same thing of how does one come to that conclusion without spending your money first?!
Missing the old style videos 😢 with james, lawrence, chris and jimmy etc. The podcast are fun but not so entertaining as the oldskool vlogs.
Agree about using Selle SMPs. I'm using a Composit and it was finicky to setup. It took me almost a few months to trial and error to get into position but once it's 'correct', woah that thing is really comfortable despite any foam padding.
Each and every video with James is a win.
I've never got on with any pressure relief saddle. Just created extra pressure points and extreme discomfort. Traditional shape and narrow enough not to interfere with the thighs for me.
Despite an SLR Boost saddle was recommended to me during a session at James's studio, I eventually ditched that saddle. It's a good saddle, and worked for me quite well but for relatively short rides - after fourth hour of riding I inevitably started feeling discomfort in my groin. Of course, I tried lower the saddle hight and other suggestions. In the end, my culprit is edges of the cut out, that are too sharp in my case. Also, despite a wide stance my thighs were polishing saddle rails and there're distinctive marks from the rails on all my cycling shorts. My point is even if that saddle is sold very successfully doesn't mean that it will fit an individual. Long term testing of a saddle, if a position is dialled in correctly, is the only way to find the saddle fits to an individual. Please don't bind it "blindly".
One more moment, seen multiple saddle with manganese rails failed in rear bonding socket, leading to collapsing of a saddle to one side. Mine was replaced by warranty. I'd recommend buying a version with Ti rails.
2:41 So after the SLR Boost with its 2 shortcomings (sharp edges of cut out and saddle rail rub), what have you found works for longer rides?
Selle Italia has important networks to "boost" their sales!
@@bradford_shaun_murray I’ve been riding on sqlab 612 12cm (narrower than my SLR Boost), both indoors and outdoors, for several month already and so far it fits me. I feel, like, I sit on seat bones more distinctively. Again, that doesn’t necessarily mean it will work for someone else.
@@bradford_shaun_murray I've been riding on sqlab 612 12cm, both indoors and outdoors, for several months already. I found it fits me well either in low aero position or a bit more upright. I have no issue with thighs rubbing saddle rails.
Also, I have noticed that I sit on seat bones distinctively, and even after 4 hours indoors I don't feel any discomfort.
Again, it doesn't necessarily mean that 612 will fit to someone else. YMMV.
What is your sit bone width? Did you use the S3 130mm?
How wide is your current saddle now? What model is it?
Hi James, the first saddle I was aware of with a pressure relief channel was the Liberator (named after the bomber built mainly by women). I tried one but it was not enough. I tried the SMP with the curved down nose (looks don't really matter) and it was a revelation. I can now ride all day without the excruciating pain from every other saddle I've tried. The improvement is that the channel is slightly wider but effectively is open to the front so there is nothing there to give that awful pressure.
Yeah. I remember that relief channel saddles were advertised toward women riders in magazines for years when they were just coming out. They were even called "female saddles" for a couple of years and "serious" male riders wouldn't be caught dead with one on their bikes.
@@swordmonkey6635 Good point. A perfect example of looks over function. Never mind the comfort, it has to look good.
I love the SMP saddles too as a casual male rider
The "mimic" saddle is so named because the particular foam they use in the middle bit is meant to "mimic" yer ladybits. Thanks specialized.
PS i really like that nowt daft t shirt, i want one.
Great info James. My favorite saddles are no longer produced (Astute) which is rather annoying. I also have a Berk saddle which is nice but very delicate, also like the Fabric scoop with the pressure releif channel 👍
I’ve got 2 Sella Italia saddles (one slr boost) and they both squeak / clunk. The rails aren’t fully bonded to the saddle body. I believe this is to help them flex for comfort or suspension. No, this is not as a result of the BB or anything else. The clunks can be triggered by manipulating the saddles themselves by hand. In fact after a couple of months riding some of the blue plastic at the nose where the rails fix came away. The saddles function as intended, but this is insanely annoying, particularly considering price.
Came here to complain about this same exact problem with my SLR Boost (which I bought from bicycle in Richmond). Mine hasn’t fallen apart, but it is really annoying!
I’ll also add that if you have a pressure relief cutout in your saddle it is even more important to have mudguards when riding in the rain 🚿
Totally agree with that. I went though the same experience with SLR Boot TM saddle, but haven't had that issue with a version with Ti rails. Feels to me like a QC issue. Mine was replaced via a warranty claim without any question.
I use this model and had the same problem at first. I put some shimano premium grease where the rails connect to the saddle and the noise disappeared completely. I hope it helps.
It's never the BB.
@@JamesBriano 😂
Good to see you Francis, all the best. And James of course. x
Are there differences when considering a saddle for long distance gravelling and touring?
Always great seeing James. Also, his appearance is my first viewing of your channel.
By putting what in the shoes? I couldn't hear his pronunciation clearly. At the 13:24 min mark
Arch support
Happy to see James again, sad that the women specific saddle part is 20seconds with just one option.
🤔”No idea why” … he must know … at least that Specialized claims that by filling in the gap with a supportive soft foam, it prevents swelling of the labia that can happen on long rides in absence of support (caused by the gap). No gap- go numb. Open gap: protrusion and swelling. 🤷🏻♂️
no 3D printed saddle opinion?! would love to hear what James' opinion on the 3D printed saddles as i ride the Fizik Antares Vs EVO R3 and love it
I guess I'm weird, I've never really found a saddle that I can't use. I have everything from a Pro Stealth Performance to an SSM Regal to a Spec Romin Evo to a Fizik Aliante on my bikes... I think I like the Pro the best, but it's very racy.
The position of the saddle makes much more difference than the saddle itself, even at a lower price range than what you are talking about you usually get a good stock saddle with your bike.
Ahh, what a nice confirmation, thanks mate. After trying loads of different saddles, I bought Selle Italia SLR Boost Endurance Superflow S3 for all my bikes :)
Would like to see an SQLab saddle on the channel. Many of my friends have very good experience with the 612 and I’m a big fan of their a bit more padded 614.
Nice video as always James!! Thank you !!! Btw noticed you got a serious watch collection!!!! Noticed in some videos Omega etc…. ❤❤❤
Interesting. I only seem to be able to get away with either a MTB saddle.... WTB Volt currently or perhaps surprisingly the very traditional Brooks B17. All day comfort with either.
Bontrager Aeolus saddle is if the Selle SMP and Ergon had a baby. Seriously they are amazing saddles!
I tried a Boost SLR but felt like my ass was going numb after long rides. The hole is SO big that it felt like sitting on the toilet for too long. What does James think of the differences with padding (eTPU and 3d mesh etc) in saddles?
I find myself always scooting back.. the seats i used to like that are wide enough for my sit bones are discontinued and the new ones are to expensive, and you cant just try one out for a week and return it is it doesn't fit. the closest so far is the A.R.S. Classic.
If want to save money STAY AWAY from the Shimano Pro Stealth. I got it when it first came out and it is very slippery and uncomfortable. The slight texture on the saddle wears off after a few hundred miles and after that it’s so slippery it feels like your seat post is coming out or broken.
Dont use a saddle. Be a man.
be like WVA at the CX worlds, just ride on the saddle rails
Oh, now he likes short nosed saddles ;)
That was a surprise to me as well. !
Please upload a video about touring bicycle saddle
Would be nice to see James opinion on the new 3D printed saddle from various brands, and how they compare to regular saddle paddings. I am currently looking at the Fizik Vento Argo Adaptive R1 (gasping for air) Hoping it will provide a little more cushioning than the Selle Italia SLR Boost that I currently have. Have a little discomfort on the left side, so thinking the pressure relief channel might have something to do with it?
I love these videos, and I can’t get enough of them.
Does James have any experience with SQ Labs saddles? They’re very different.
Also, I wish he’d weigh in on Brooks. Every time I see one on a bike that isn’t a retro cruiser, I wonder why somebody is using it. And people buy them used. Gross.
I've watched so many videos on this channel with James talking about bike fit and saddle discomfort. Yet after 3 years of cycling, 5 different saddles tested, a bike fit, a secondary session with the fitter, and some experiments, I still experience discomfort in my posterior (skin pain at the sit bones from the pressure). 120-150 km rides were my weekend routine last year, I even did some 200+ km rides back to back towards the end of the year. I have no back pain, no neck, shoulder or hand pain, no pain at any joints in the legs or feet. The only problem is the bum. Is it still wrong bike fit, or am I just doomed to suffer?
Right now I'm using the SLR Boost Superflow S3, the most comfortable saddle I've tried so far. Fun fact, it collapsed without me ever crashing, and the right side is a little lower. Coincidentally, I experience more pain on the right side. And yes, I'm very much asymmetric all over the body because of scoliosis and stuff.
Come see me, I’ll fix it
@@JamesThomas-jq2tw I gladly would, but unfortunately I'm quite far away from the UK and I would need a visa as well.
Anyone got a dishonest opinion?
Is it poor form to tell a fitter that after they find the right saddle for you, that you're going to try and get it cheaper online/secondhand because you just spent all your savings on your third expensive bike fit after the first two were done by racoons?
Seat bones pressure with cut-out saddles; have found out that proper saddle tilt (level in my case with slr boost kit carbonio) is really critical. Just a little too much nose down, in my case we are talking about ~half degree difference, and boost slr kit carbonio starts irritating my sit bones just after ~70/80kms ride... A little nose down gives that nice seat bones contact feeling at the beginning of the ride, but after those two/three hours results with extensive pressure on sit bones. So saddle TILT seems to be really important, also for seat bones comfort, apparently :)
Haha, lucky you when you can get your sit bones measured. If I went to a store here and wanted to buy a saddle, they would say "yes we have them", and then show you an array of older designs with 3x the markup price because they can't sell them and say take a pick. No returns.
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I have tried a bunch of saddles with "pressure relief channels" They feel fine. After a week of riding the pain becomes debilitating. I feel like I have been kicked in the groin. Even went to the doctor to get checked for a hernia. Switch back to the saddle with no slot and in a couple of days I am fine. The saddle I have now has a relief groove but it not a open slot and that works fine. I think of these slots as a food mandolin. I have never heard of anyone complaining of this. I can't be the only one. What is going on?
Hello,
Instructive video.
I'm a bit lost in the Selle Italia Lineup... what's the difference between SLR and Flite?
Thanks
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Not all silicones pure either.
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Seats shud be quick release like click in pedals.
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Shimano:
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gadjillion teeny parts utterly impossible repair roadside.
Gel:
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A Bicycle:
Point A point B straighline carry sduff. Just as MUCH sduff as possible. Period.
= Must be STRONG STRONG STRONG perfect ONLY handling.
= NOT a$$up bent way over2narrow bars whippy spaghetti tube flexi frame.
Handling:
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Motocross/supwrmoto bike = perfect riding position.
Modern Turbo saddles:
Best saddles of our modern era.
Very thin hence highly elastic leather over foam FIRM foam. Leather is great.
But when used wearing SILICONE gel shorts u could go 3 centuries on that hard little Turbo.
Gel done correctly is king not Brooks rawhide
Cow skin:
Varies in quality4godsakes just use a piece of any# STABLE gadgillion choices u have in plastic.
All a Brooks saddle is is a piece of rawhide engineered 2mimic plastic.
"Oh but it conforms sooo perfectly 2 yr own anatomy" lol so does plastic minute u sit on it = what a car tire doing a gadgillion times a mile whole Brooks cult snobbery thing a liddle batsht looney somem1 ask
"Do Brooks saddle get heavier in thrain?"
Ofcourse they do they a 3/16 " leather sponge. Even if u treat top, water gonna splash up from bottom soak yo a$$ &that sponge of a seat.
When i leave leather glove in rain = bad it begin digest th leather = tear easier.
Brooks state:
"No, Brooks saddles should not get heavier rain because they should not be ridden when wet. However, if Brooks saddle does get wet, it can be allowed to air dry naturally will be fine. Riding Brooks saddle during heavy showers or storing direct sunlight or heat for long periods can damage the leather.
Likewise, the material we use will not be affected by rain. Cambium saddles are also available in a carved version for riders who seek to reduce pressure on the perineum or desire a more flexible saddle."
Again put some silica gel over thin flexy durable plastic topped with 5mm glued on dense memory foam cover.
Use 2 - 3 layers durable material say 2mm uv stable vynil shade net u will have th overwhelming epicenter of all saddles.
There always1 in every crowd:
Any1 saying "it doesnt wrk!" in comments = same "always subjective" person sdarting an alternate reality company with a few thousand people always willing2 5star Amazon review lunacy.
for me salle slr boots is very comfort and not pain before 70km. very happy
Anyone switched from Selle Italia Flite to SLR or other way around? I've been pleased with my Flite boost superflow but maybe I should try the SLR too if it's even better. Also what do you think of the endurance / gravel models with more padding?
The variety of bicycle saddles, and opinions, are absolutely mind-boggling. Researching saddles is so confusing and opinionated, I always give up. My decade old Toupe saddle finally gave up, and I was forced to replace it. I was able to try the Fizik Arione and absolutely love the ability to move around effortlessly.
Not many options of good bike fittings here local to me. They can help wirh positioning on the bike but no real help with saddle or bars or anything of the sort.
Great information. Thank you.
That said, my ear does not pick up all your words. (Neither yours nor my fault.) I could not make out the brand names of a number of the saddles you highlighted. I’d like to suggest a graphic, so the viewer can read the name as you explain the pros and cons.
Thank you.
Hi. Maby you could help me. I ride on a Fizik Ardea. Low price saddle but its fits me perfect. No problems with it. The only think is that the surface of the saddle is extremly slippy. So i lost my position. The reason could be that the saddle is to old? Could you recommend a Model which is in the same shape as the Ardea? Endurance rider. Cheers from Germany
I would be interested in James's thoughts on ISM-type saddles (bifurcated saddle noses). They are usually found on tt/triathlon bikes but they might help riders with natural anterior pelvic rotation to get into racing positions on the road.
In the older bike fit Tuesdays videos James has said that they have no place on a road bike but are fine for TT use. With that said I have own saddles on my road bikes and I like them 😂
Great update to your previous videos on the topic but IMHO not a fair assessment/opinion of Specialized when you do not discuss the Power Arc version especially when it can be argued that the Arc is the superior successor model variant.
When going from traditional length saddle to
Shorter saddle how do you match set back for a staring point. Rear of saddle to center of stem
Clamp? 80 mm mark? Or something else? TY
sold all 3 slr boosts, look out for groin issues, it took a year to develop, they seem to have a sharp edge in the groin area that points up, back to romin evo that doesnt have that sharp edge. im also trying the pro stealth performance, no groin issues but sitbone pain, so experimenting with tilt, ive tried the recommended 1 degree, but just not comfy, but pain is nowhere as bad as the groin pain from slr
i have 6 ruptured discs in my lower back and bone spurs..its strange that the red based fabric scoop is the most comfy saddle ive tried from ergons and everything else..weird?
This might sound like a stupid noob question but how/where should you actually sit on the saddle.
I find a very spongy touring saddle works well as long as you wear shorts with thin chamois, feels like less friction overall... But too much padding is too much heat
My wife has a bike that is a cruiser style, so her position is much more upright. Would someone in this position still benefit from the pressure relief channel?
selle italia slr boost s3 is just a thigh slicer, every pedal stroke I feel like I'm scraping some meat off my thigh. it's the worse saddle in my opinion.
Just to know : I'm more of an out of shape almost 50 year old MTB lover and tell me if I'm wrong, but I almost don't see any difference between a road saddle that fits my rear bumpers and a MTB saddle !? I've been using an Italia Flite titanium for ages (well, not between 2003 and 2020 to be honest) and I still love it. I'm currently using a Terry Arteria and it's also a joy ! None of them are made on purposed for MTB but they fit me. By the way, this video is by far the most interesting one that I've seen about saddles ! Thank you !
What the hell is this guy saying at 5.54? Short nosed saddles? Which brand is he talking about here?
More James pls 👌
How would this apply to mountain bikes. Specifically gravity mtb
It's always fun to rewatch James' Fitting opinions, but sometimes he is too biased against certain products, which can be a life saviour for some riders.
Never ridden a saddle as comfortable or as easy to fit as my smp saddle. It was absolutely brilliant.
3:39 I feel attacked here (I've been running a Specialized Power for years with no issues)
There are 2 local fitters that recommend Power and Romin most of the time. My wife and I are riding these and love them.
Used Toupe for years and years, now SLR Superflow Boost on all bikes. Concave to center, convex as you move further back. Perfect.
which bike seat do you recommend for a hip replacement? ( woman)
Would be great to see the bisaddle system be talked about. I’ve struggled massively with saddles, having taken James’ recos for the SLR boost and pro Griffon in the past to no long term luck, even with proper bike fits. The ability to buy a saddle and adjust it to fit your unique anatomy is game changing and shows major gaps in the market in terms of sizing - especially for tri and tt bikes.
SMP TRK works for me as a casual rider. Yes it is a bit finicky to get right but is a big step up in comfort from other saddles I have tried.
I switched to the specialized romin evo saddle and it breaks my ass!
Sella Italia Boost SMP saddle. I believe Cade said he sells them like hot cakes. I bought one, like riding on a board. Sold it. Went to Ali Express bought a 3M saddle for $28.00. Super comfortable and a fraction of the cost.
Meant 3D, not 3M.
Am I imagining this or in a previous video didn't short nose saddles get slated?
I love James. He’s got a good spirit and I’m thereby inclined to believe whatever he says
Thoughts on using ISM short saddles on a road bike?
James made my riding comfortable again! Saddle 5-10 mm down on all bikes - no pain any more. But why I put them too high? 😂 Confused after over 20 years of ambitious riding 😅
You shrunk?
anterior pelvic, whats the bettw3 suitee option? 👍
Would have liked to have seen him talk about ism style saddles, I've seen a few riders use them on their road bikes recently
in a video some time back he said they were for tt bikes and didn't offer enough support for road bikes. He had one of the ps saddles in that video and for that model i agree. I ride the pl model and have tried a friends pn model. These can be great of a road bike if set up correctly which most people don't. Your ism will be slammed or pretty close to slammed back on a road bike. Search for ism commercial on youtube and you can catch a glimpse of one mounted under the rider and it's all the way back. You don't sit on one the same as you do a conventional saddle. ISM has instructions and a setup guide, follow those.
What no seat review ever tells you. Physics says: Pressure = Weight x Area. So if you are feeling unwanted pressure, you need a wider saddle. No amount of sculpting or cutouts will change physics. I use a Selle SMP "Martin Touring" saddle. It's huge. I'm 240lbs though... (And 6'-4"). Been using it for road and gravel bikes. In the 6+ years I've been running them, have NEVER gotten numb. Never any chafing. Even eliminates 'spring pain' (where you haven't ridden much all winter, and with a normal seat, you have to 'break in your but' when riding outside ramps up in the spring). Of course, you can't just have 'big', you also need 'relatively firm'. I.e. don't get a huge squishy gel saddle. Otherwise, wide is king.
That physical equation ignores human anatomy, so it's pretty meaningless in this context. You happen to be someone who benefits from a wide saddle but that's definitely not true for everyone.
@@SaHaRaSquad Um, physics is physics. And out human anatomy makes it worse in real life. In that there are certain portions of 'point of contact' that react worse to pressure, and certain points that react better. The portions that react worse just reduce the available area to dissipate the pressure. Thus EVERYONE benefits from a wider saddle, as it spreads more of the pressure across more use-able area.
@@bikebudha01 You were correct except for your final conclusion. A wider saddle can't change anatomy, it can't make the body magically distribute pressure differently. You may benefit from a wider saddle because of your specific body but applying that experience to everyone is simply wrong. It's like saying everyone benefits from large shoes because they have a larger area while ignoring feet aren't all the same size. There's a reason the parts in direct contact with the rider (saddles, shoes etc) are much more varied than frames or wheels and you can't just ignore that by invoking "spherical frictionless cow" levels of physics.
@@SaHaRaSquad um, wrong again (mostly). sure my rear end is wider than my wifes. Thus, at a certain point, my wife won't benefit from as wide a saddle as I need. But MOST saddles are far too narrow. As they claim 'anatomical' cuts, grooves, gel pads, etc. But they are all generally just way to narrow. I ride an SMP Martin touring saddle. 218mm wide. (I'm 6'-4" 240lbs). I routinely ride 60-100 mile rides, on road and gravel.. 'real cyclist'. It's about the 30th saddle I've tried. But it's the ONLY saddle that has NEVER made me numb. Not once is the 7+ years I've been using the saddle. Why? The extra width spreads my weigh across most of rear end. It's a revaluation. And while I am larger than most 'typical' saddles are 140mm to 160mm. Grossly narrow. In fact every single rider I know who uses a 'typical' (i.e. too narrow) saddle complains about numbness and discomfort.
@@bikebudha01 Again you said absolutely nothing except "I find wide saddles comfy so they're always better".
There's a difference between anecdotes and statistics. Adult humans vary more than 100% in size and weight, it's absurd to think that any specific kind of saddle is good for everyone.
ISM on TT bikes? Enjoyed my time there. Thx Andy. -U10
SLR Boost saddle is my fav saddle of all time. Can get them online from the far east for about 25USD. IYKYK.
My Selle SMP Drakon is amazing! I've ridden the specialized power saddle and Selle Italia SLR boost. Speaking to another fitter they said Selle SMP are not friendly to stock because of the cost. Maybe that's swaying his POV
I ride dynamics and forma saddles exclusively. And once you know how they should be set up. It is just super stable.
Cadex saddle
what do you put in the shoes to help saddle issues?
Woooah, no mention of Lake shoes? A first...
Lol
Hehehe - lake shoes, ergon Saddles, seat down, cleats back … look, Mummy, I’m a bike fitter😂
They don’t fit well on most seat pins.
What are your thoughts on the prologo ndr saddle?
If you're having saddle problems i feel bad you son.
I got 99 problems but a seat ain’t one
Each to their own but Ive tested a few saddles with a cut out but I never got on with any of them 😐
I have same problem, I now ride a Fabric Scoop on all my bikes now and it is by far the best saddle I have ever used (and I have tried most)
James named off two of my favorite saddles; Shimano Pro Turnix and the Specialized Toupe. I am currently running a Specialized Romin on my road and it's fantastic. The Turnix is currently on my experimental 26" gravel build.
Pro Turnix is one of the most underrated saddle in the market imo.
What do you think of the Selle italia model x?
SQlab saddles for the win!
What about 3D printed?