I personally think with the prices of bows getting a little ridiculous they would sell more releasing bows every 1.5 or two years. A bow release in July wouldn’t be terrible with the upcoming hunting season approaching. I’m not exactly sure how much more bows can improve but hey what do I know. But the rx7 to an 8 is a tough sale.
Yes, there is no real reason to go from RX7 to RX8, but if you are upgrading from several years back, I do feel that the RX8 is the best bow Hoyt has ever made. Good luck.
You will be shocked by how much better bows are now vs back then. I was telling the cameraman who shot this video about the way bows used to be. How hard they were to tune and shoot well. The poor quality of the bows singlehandedly led to the revolution in mechanical broadheads because that was the only way you could get many of them to shoot accurately at game. You almost had to be an archery shop technician to get a lot of those bows to shoot even decent. The worst bows on the market today are way better than the best ones 20 years ago. The designs haven't changes a lot in the past 10 years, but from 20 years ago to 10 years ago, the difference is massive. Have fun.
I still shoot a 2008 matthews DXT. Incredible bow. Short, maneuverable, in a tree. Really awesome. When I got that it was a 15 year jump. I’m finally seeing things get to a point again where I’m thinking there is enough difference for a jump again. Point being it seems to me about every 15 years seems about right from a tech standpoint. They improve little by little every year, so about every 15 there enough improvements to make it worthwhile to switch. IMO (Unless you have a professional hunting show) 😂
I am shooting a 2013 Hoyt Vector 32 and am ready for an upgrade for next fall. Thanks for all of the great info and content you put out. I too have several pieces of the Code of Silence camo and have been pleased with their product.
I have the same bow love it. Im in the same position as you. For 200 bucks i could just restring the Vector . But these bows are really nice but $$$$. Did you upgrade?
Excellent review, i really like this side by side comparison. I have the rx7 ultra, and i can say without a doubt that the new features on the rx8 are awesome. If i hadn't bought the rx7, i would have been all over the new ultra.
Love your video mate both Hoyt bows keep it simple shoot both side by side no bull shit what you see is what you get I’ve just bought the rx8 ultra so much appreciated the way you presented the bows and herring the let off and listening to you and the way you spoke about the bows cheers thanks very much for your info 👍
@@bill-winke yep I made the right choice just think I might have gone a bit over board with sights I bought the 2024 axcel carbon pro slyder 3 pin with bottom pin is a floater with carbon qiverlizer hold 8 arrows but I’m a buy a Bugatti I want the Bugatti engine with it 😂😂👍cheers and thanks bill for helping me make my mind up
Great review, I had the same initial feeling with the rx8 ultra about how dead in hand it was after the shot. Ordered mine last week hopefully it comes soon!
I was wishing that Hoyt still had their old “Storm” color 2 years ago when I bought my RX7. Now they come out with the new Tombstone color?!-which is also the name of one of my favorite movies!?? The Ol’ Realtree RX7 might be going on sale after season ends! I’m your huckleberry! 😂
They keep getting a little bit better every year. I have always felt that you can clearly notice a difference in the way the way the bow shoots, tunes and feels after roughly every three years of advancement.
Thanks for video… question-what are you shooting in regards to grains per pound? I heard you mention FMJ 300, (not sure tip weight or aluminum or brass insert, nor arrow length) but could you weigh arrow? Curious on grains per pound of bow with your set up. Thanks Bill and God bless upcoming season. Pastor Hart
Thanks for the comment Pastor Hart. I am between 6.25 and 6.5 grains per pound of maximum draw force. For my longer draw length (currently 31.5 and shrinking!) that is a good weight for whitetail hunting. If you draw under 30 inches a weight around 6.0 grains per pound is a good compromise between speed and bow noise/penetration. Have a great day. God bless you too.
@@bill-winke thanks bill and keep up the good job with wisdom sharing concerning the whitetail deer… they are an incredible animal God has made. God bless
Thanks for the review Bill! Well done, exactly what I wanted to hear. Quick question for you: how did your two bows wind up paper tuning? I bought the RX-7 here in NM back in April, and have had to finally send it back to Hoyt last week, because it just wouldn’t tune, or stay in tune. Was driving the boys at the Archery Shoppe crazy. I bet they worked on it for a total of at least seven full days so far, and it still isn’t shooting a perfect bullet hole. Other than that, it’s an amazing bow, love love love everything else about it; draw cycle, sound, looks, features, finish. Just wish Hoyt would catch up on their tuning system, it sure hasn’t been working for my bow, and after sinking $3,000 into the bow with their in line components, you’d think getting a bullet hole would be a three shot process. 😬
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 Thanks for the info. Hopefully it’s just weak limbs, Hoyt will replace, and I’ll be good to go. There is limb deflection on both the top and bottom limbs you can see with the naked eye, and that can’t be good for paper tuning!
I have not had a problem tuning these bows. The only real issue is fletching contact the rest so once I get the vanes rotated correctly, it is all good. I do have a tendency to sometimes get my elbow out of line with the arrow and that causes side pressure on the string at full draw which in turn causes sideways arrow tears. But if I am careful to make sure I am pulling straight back, that clears up nicely. Hopefully they can get you a fix right away. Good luck.
Well, my bow came back from Hoyt and it still won’t stay in tune. If Hoyt won’t replace my bow, and I feel they should AT LEAST be happy to send me an upgraded RX-8 after all the wasted time, pain and suffering these last 12 months, I’ll sadly have to leave them, and I’m a 20+ year Hoyt customer, too. My Archery Shoppe here in Albuquerque is dealing with them, I’ll keep you posted. Hope Hoyt will do what’s right. It’s been a tough year.
Something I was looking at was your index finger on the handle end. Just looked so dang close to arrow flight. Maybe it’s just the glove or angle. I have coworkers that shoot Hoyt and my son’s friend is a engineer for Elite and I shoot Mathews but I’m ready to update so any info on these new bows is helpful. Thanks Bill
I have shot that way for at least 20 years. That finger never gets in the way. It says right there. Hoyt bows are super well designed and accurate. I have shot them since 1995 and exclusively since about 1997. They didn't start paying me until 2008 so that was a lot of years when other companies were sending me free bows too. I just like Hoyt bows. Have a great day.
I have an RX5...and will stick with that for five seasons. The Nitrum before that. Love Hoyt..just can't afford a new one every year...or every three years...
Agree. I think the technology creeps along slowly and then after enough years the difference between what you are shooting and what they are making now is great enough to be worth the upgrade. Good luck.
That's right. I shot the AlphaMax until the guys at Hoyt told me I had to shoot something newer. They make great bows. The RX8 is the best one they have made, in my opinion.
It is but it is pretty well wedged in there - lots of side pressure. It is a pure connection, but it definitely ties them together and make them work more as one unit.
Some hokus pokus I think lol I took mine out on the rx7 and never made a difference I noticed or tune different. Limb tip is connected with axle other end the pocket like you said plus resting on the other part of the packet on the underside… and those rubber dampeners are so soft and flexy it couldn’t do much for a connection point.
I would be curious who "they" is. That doesn't make any sense from a physics standpoint. How can a longer bow feel like a shorter bow? No, I didn't notice anything like. People come up with all kinds of stuff to bad mouth a competitor's bow. This one doesn't make any sense.
It was on hoyts website for the alpha x 30. I think the idea is that since the limbs are stronger they flex less at full draw, so the string angle isn’t as severe. Either way thanks for the response and good video.
Sure wish Hoyt would make a more forgiving (longer ATA/higher brace height) hunting bow that could be shot with fingers if you forget your release..Lol!!
I don't think anyone makes a pure fingers bow unless it is in their target line. Hoyt may have something like that in their target line, but it will be pretty "shiny" for the woods. Or better yet, do what I do and carry an extra release in my pocket or pack. I have had to use the back up twice in my memory. Good luck.
80 lbs bow and 31.5 draw wow talk about getting the most speed and power that is it would like to know arrow weight and speed you are getting and what is your thought with the heavy arrow and high foc craze
Mike, I think the arrow is about 525 grains at roughly 300 fps. I haven't been paying much attention to the high FOC trend. People have been debating FOC since I started shooting a bow back in 1977! I am sure there is something to it, but unless you are penetration limited for some reason (hunting an animal with a tough hide, a huge animal, or shooting a lower poundage bow) I think it is really splitting hairs. Especially for whitetail hunting. Good luck.
I remember discussing with a top notch 3-D shooter one time why having more string tension at full draw made the bow more forgiving, but I can't remember his reasoning. I do know that it made sense to me at the time.
I don't. Those are pretty heavy arrows and the current balance point is just fine by me. I understand the trend toward high FOC contributing to greater penetration, but sometimes those trends can feel like splitting hairs.
Imagine if all the dudes with new hoyt bows and mathews bows did the same or a one yr review of their last yr bow something actually informative not just showing it off.
I thought I had it cock feather down on all of them. I have different colored vanes so maybe it was cock feather down and looked like otherwise because of the different colors. It can matter, depending on how the arrow passes over the rest. Drop away rests are a bit less critical, but I still turn them a few different ways until I get the orientation that passes through/over the rest clean. So, to answer your question, yes, it does matter usually.
Just switch to Mathews. Everyone else is. A lot of Hoyt sponsored guys are leaving and going to Mathews because Mathews are so invested in their sponsors. Unfortunately Hoyt isn’t
Bill i know your sponsored by Hoyt, but honestly have you shot the Phase 4 or the new Lift? Im a betting man and id bet that you haven't because if you had, I firmly believe you would make the switch. With Hoyt you HAVE to consistently upgrade your bow to stay with Hoyt because they change their cam and limb design about every 3-4 years and they WONT make the old designs making older Hoyts inferior to Mathews because you can still get way older cams and limbs from them so you can keep the same bow for YEARS. Not everyone can afford a new 2500 set up every year ao to me Hoyt is WAY behind the 8 ball and Mathews are actually less expensive than Hoyts and imo are better bows with better customer service. Plain and simple that its a far better value to buy a Mathews. Mathews also has a higher resale value because you can still get older cams, mods, and limbs.
The new LIFT is horrendous on the draw cycle, holding weight, incredibly jumpy and not a great buy when it comes to the other offerings on the marketplace. I wouldn't rank it in the top 3 personally. You're gonna be over 2k whe buying a new mathews as well, so it's not about money, it's about personal preference and what you like to shoot. The new Lift is a hard pass for me. I shot one at 71lb and it quite literally felt like I was drawing 90+ lbs.
@@GarrettHamilton I haven't had the chance I know it's new cams new axles and limbs so it would be totally different but the phase 4 is an awesome bow lol. I have the V3 and was thinking about upgrading to either the phase 4 or Lift not sure yet leaning towards the phase. But it's definitely not about preference in all cases. In fact in most cases especially people just getting into hunting value and tunability is the biggest factor and Mathews system is optimized for each individual .5 in increments. With Hoyt the longer the better the shorter the more you trade off. Plus as I've already previously stated you can still get stuff for the Q2 that's like 20+ years old you can't get stuff for Hoyt that's like 4 or 5 years old. So man there's way more to it than just preference. ATA length weight how it feels in the hand how it draws and all that but Mathews makes Mission bows which carries it's 4-5 year old technology but at an extremely affordable value. Hoyt bows are among if not the most expensive Bows on the market. Also Hoyts have been known for harsh draw cycles for years while Mathews has been known for some of the smoothest. So just magically like that in one year Mathews went backwards and Hoyt jumped forwards? I highly doubt that man. And lastly my question wasn't for you it was for Bill, and it was a simple question. Has he shot the Mathews Phase 4 or Lift? I bet u if you blindfolded 10 people and had them shoot both the lift vs RX8 at 60lbs (where most people shoot) the Mathews wins majority ea time again and again. The RX line was louder and jumpier than the V line up and that's facts. The RX8 is quieter than the 7 but still jumpy.... Im not paying for the "name and popularity". I've been a Mathews fan and I've had a Hoyt and couldn't stand it.
No difference between that and the lift not being able to use their proprietary crap from previous bows. They're both great bows, just personal preference what a guy likes.
I personally think with the prices of bows getting a little ridiculous they would sell more releasing bows every 1.5 or two years. A bow release in July wouldn’t be terrible with the upcoming hunting season approaching. I’m not exactly sure how much more bows can improve but hey what do I know. But the rx7 to an 8 is a tough sale.
Yes, there is no real reason to go from RX7 to RX8, but if you are upgrading from several years back, I do feel that the RX8 is the best bow Hoyt has ever made. Good luck.
It literally looks like the same damn bow, lol
I have had my browning bow for 20 years. Its getting time to start looking for a new one. Thank you for the informative video.
You will be shocked by how much better bows are now vs back then. I was telling the cameraman who shot this video about the way bows used to be. How hard they were to tune and shoot well. The poor quality of the bows singlehandedly led to the revolution in mechanical broadheads because that was the only way you could get many of them to shoot accurately at game. You almost had to be an archery shop technician to get a lot of those bows to shoot even decent. The worst bows on the market today are way better than the best ones 20 years ago. The designs haven't changes a lot in the past 10 years, but from 20 years ago to 10 years ago, the difference is massive. Have fun.
I still shoot a 2008 matthews DXT. Incredible bow. Short, maneuverable, in a tree. Really awesome. When I got that it was a 15 year jump. I’m finally seeing things get to a point again where I’m thinking there is enough difference for a jump again. Point being it seems to me about every 15 years seems about right from a tech standpoint. They improve little by little every year, so about every 15 there enough improvements to make it worthwhile to switch. IMO (Unless you have a professional hunting show) 😂
I am shooting a 2013 Hoyt Vector 32 and am ready for an upgrade for next fall. Thanks for all of the great info and content you put out. I too have several pieces of the Code of Silence camo and have been pleased with their product.
I have the same bow love it. Im in the same position as you. For 200 bucks i could just restring the Vector . But these bows are really nice but $$$$. Did you upgrade?
Excellent review, i really like this side by side comparison. I have the rx7 ultra, and i can say without a doubt that the new features on the rx8 are awesome. If i hadn't bought the rx7, i would have been all over the new ultra.
I really like them both - the RX8 is just a little bit better. Have a great day.
Love your video mate both Hoyt bows keep it simple shoot both side by side no bull shit what you see is what you get I’ve just bought the rx8 ultra so much appreciated the way you presented the bows and herring the let off and listening to you and the way you spoke about the bows cheers thanks very much for your info 👍
Thanks for the comment. I am sure you will really like that bow. I truly think it is the best one Hoyt has ever made.
@@bill-winke yep I made the right choice just think I might have gone a bit over board with sights I bought the 2024 axcel carbon pro slyder 3 pin with bottom pin is a floater with carbon qiverlizer hold 8 arrows but I’m a buy a Bugatti I want the Bugatti engine with it 😂😂👍cheers and thanks bill for helping me make my mind up
Great review, I had the same initial feeling with the rx8 ultra about how dead in hand it was after the shot. Ordered mine last week hopefully it comes soon!
Yes, just feels really good when you shoot it. Good luck. They say their order wait times are better this year so maybe you will have it soon.
I was wishing that Hoyt still had their old “Storm” color 2 years ago when I bought my RX7. Now they come out with the new Tombstone color?!-which is also the name of one of my favorite movies!??
The Ol’ Realtree RX7 might be going on sale after season ends! I’m your huckleberry! 😂
You are the target market. I guess that new color scheme worked!
I’m shooting the Hoyt carbon defiant 34. I love the carbon in the late season it feels much warmer. Plus I like the bigger axle to axle bows.
That is a really good bow too. I shot that one shortly after it came out. Have a great day and good luck.
Thanks Bill - great review. From my standpoint there is no question the RX8 was quieter.
It was obvious to both me and the cameraman too. It is a better bow, but the RX7 is a really good in its own right.
Very informative and direct Bill.
Thanks. Much appreciated.
I have a carbon spyder 30 with z5 cams and I see the cam technology improved quite a lot on the new bows.
They keep getting a little bit better every year. I have always felt that you can clearly notice a difference in the way the way the bow shoots, tunes and feels after roughly every three years of advancement.
I learned some things, thanks for the comparison.
Thanks Takur. Have a great day.
Great review Bill.
Thanks Mitchell. Have a great day.
Thanks for video… question-what are you shooting in regards to grains per pound? I heard you mention FMJ 300, (not sure tip weight or aluminum or brass insert, nor arrow length) but could you weigh arrow? Curious on grains per pound of bow with your set up.
Thanks Bill and God bless upcoming season.
Pastor Hart
Thanks for the comment Pastor Hart. I am between 6.25 and 6.5 grains per pound of maximum draw force. For my longer draw length (currently 31.5 and shrinking!) that is a good weight for whitetail hunting. If you draw under 30 inches a weight around 6.0 grains per pound is a good compromise between speed and bow noise/penetration. Have a great day. God bless you too.
@@bill-winke thanks bill and keep up the good job with wisdom sharing concerning the whitetail deer… they are an incredible animal God has made.
God bless
Thanks for the review Bill! Well done, exactly what I wanted to hear. Quick question for you: how did your two bows wind up paper tuning? I bought the RX-7 here in NM back in April, and have had to finally send it back to Hoyt last week, because it just wouldn’t tune, or stay in tune. Was driving the boys at the Archery Shoppe crazy. I bet they worked on it for a total of at least seven full days so far, and it still isn’t shooting a perfect bullet hole. Other than that, it’s an amazing bow, love love love everything else about it; draw cycle, sound, looks, features, finish. Just wish Hoyt would catch up on their tuning system, it sure hasn’t been working for my bow, and after sinking $3,000 into the bow with their in line components, you’d think getting a bullet hole would be a three shot process. 😬
That's weird. My 7 tuned no problem. Might have a weak limb or something. Disheartening after that much $ and time.
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 Thanks for the info. Hopefully it’s just weak limbs, Hoyt will replace, and I’ll be good to go. There is limb deflection on both the top and bottom limbs you can see with the naked eye, and that can’t be good for paper tuning!
I have not had a problem tuning these bows. The only real issue is fletching contact the rest so once I get the vanes rotated correctly, it is all good. I do have a tendency to sometimes get my elbow out of line with the arrow and that causes side pressure on the string at full draw which in turn causes sideways arrow tears. But if I am careful to make sure I am pulling straight back, that clears up nicely. Hopefully they can get you a fix right away. Good luck.
Thanks Bill!
Well, my bow came back from Hoyt and it still won’t stay in tune. If Hoyt won’t replace my bow, and I feel they should AT LEAST be happy to send me an upgraded RX-8 after all the wasted time, pain and suffering these last 12 months, I’ll sadly have to leave them, and I’m a 20+ year Hoyt customer, too. My Archery Shoppe here in Albuquerque is dealing with them, I’ll keep you posted. Hope Hoyt will do what’s right. It’s been a tough year.
Something I was looking at was your index finger on the handle end. Just looked so dang close to arrow flight. Maybe it’s just the glove or angle. I have coworkers that shoot Hoyt and my son’s friend is a engineer for Elite and I shoot Mathews but I’m ready to update so any info on these new bows is helpful. Thanks Bill
I have shot that way for at least 20 years. That finger never gets in the way. It says right there. Hoyt bows are super well designed and accurate. I have shot them since 1995 and exclusively since about 1997. They didn't start paying me until 2008 so that was a lot of years when other companies were sending me free bows too. I just like Hoyt bows. Have a great day.
I have an RX5...and will stick with that for five seasons. The Nitrum before that. Love Hoyt..just can't afford a new one every year...or every three years...
Agree. I think the technology creeps along slowly and then after enough years the difference between what you are shooting and what they are making now is great enough to be worth the upgrade. Good luck.
If budget wasn’t a problem I would get one of those but still shooting my hoyt powermaxx and dropped plenty of deer.
That's right. I shot the AlphaMax until the guys at Hoyt told me I had to shoot something newer. They make great bows. The RX8 is the best one they have made, in my opinion.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the powermax, great bow and shoots well
The noise is definitely lower pitched on the rx8
That was our impression too. Good luck.
How does the rubber module tie the limbs together? It's removable
It is but it is pretty well wedged in there - lots of side pressure. It is a pure connection, but it definitely ties them together and make them work more as one unit.
I'd love to see the speed difference as well.
Same speed, more or less.
Thanks Bill.
I had never heard of a limb silencer connecting limbs together? If they are locked in pocket and axle, I just don’t see much connection value? 🤷♂️
Stability of the limb tip. Helps keep it from twisting as the force changes from the string side of the cam to the harness side at full draw.
Some hokus pokus I think lol I took mine out on the rx7 and never made a difference I noticed or tune different. Limb tip is connected with axle other end the pocket like you said plus resting on the other part of the packet on the underside… and those rubber dampeners are so soft and flexy it couldn’t do much for a connection point.
My bow is over 20 years old. Do you wanna send me that rx seven please I could really use it buddy
Yes, you and everyone else on this channel! Good try!
But which rotary is the more reliable rotary? 😎
I am not sure what you are asking. Not sure what you are referring to as a "rotary".
That RX-8 sounds incredible. I’d love to have a carbon bow.
It feels really good through the shot. Expensive though. I am sure their aluminum bow is very good too, their new one the Alpha X.
They claim the string angle feels like a 32” bow, did you notice a difference with that?
I would be curious who "they" is. That doesn't make any sense from a physics standpoint. How can a longer bow feel like a shorter bow? No, I didn't notice anything like. People come up with all kinds of stuff to bad mouth a competitor's bow. This one doesn't make any sense.
It was on hoyts website for the alpha x 30. I think the idea is that since the limbs are stronger they flex less at full draw, so the string angle isn’t as severe. Either way thanks for the response and good video.
What integrate sight do you have set up on that rx8?
It is not an integrate sight. It is just a basic Fuse Vectrix. Here is the link: fusearchery.com/products/vectrix-xt-5-pin-sight
Sure wish Hoyt would make a more forgiving (longer ATA/higher brace height) hunting bow that could be shot with fingers if you forget your release..Lol!!
I don't think anyone makes a pure fingers bow unless it is in their target line. Hoyt may have something like that in their target line, but it will be pretty "shiny" for the woods. Or better yet, do what I do and carry an extra release in my pocket or pack. I have had to use the back up twice in my memory. Good luck.
80 lbs bow and 31.5 draw wow talk about getting the most speed and power that is it would like to know arrow weight and speed you are getting and what is your thought with the heavy arrow and high foc craze
Mike, I think the arrow is about 525 grains at roughly 300 fps. I haven't been paying much attention to the high FOC trend. People have been debating FOC since I started shooting a bow back in 1977! I am sure there is something to it, but unless you are penetration limited for some reason (hunting an animal with a tough hide, a huge animal, or shooting a lower poundage bow) I think it is really splitting hairs. Especially for whitetail hunting. Good luck.
Whats the price tag on that RX 8 bare bow thanks for the video
1,949, the bow shops I’ve seen have them for about 100 less
I would say the opposite, because you are a GOOD shot the let off doesn't make a difference to you. Thanks for the review!
I remember discussing with a top notch 3-D shooter one time why having more string tension at full draw made the bow more forgiving, but I can't remember his reasoning. I do know that it made sense to me at the time.
I think they say on a higher let off holding less weight you can influence the shot if you press the string on your nose or face.@@bill-winke
Do you use any weighted inserts in the fmjs?
I don't. Those are pretty heavy arrows and the current balance point is just fine by me. I understand the trend toward high FOC contributing to greater penetration, but sometimes those trends can feel like splitting hairs.
@@bill-winke I’ve noticed that too. I may switch mine back to standard inserts and get rid of the 50 grains of brass in mine
Only thing I hate about Hoyt you buy one is already obsolete
I liked the RX-8 its much more quite.
It is a better bow than the RX7, but they are both very good. Have a great day.
My bow is about 5 years old I’m looking to upgrade next year. I will probably get a year old bow to try to get a discount
Both of these bows are great shooters. I would not hesitate if the price is right on either of them. Good luck.
You can save enough on a one year old to buy a press, and not need a shop.
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 true. Not sure I know much about working on bows but I would love to learn
Imagine if all the dudes with new hoyt bows and mathews bows did the same or a one yr review of their last yr bow something actually informative not just showing it off.
Agreed. The real test is time!
I've heard the Rx8 Ultras are harder to draw than the Rx7 Ultra. Is there a noticeable difference from your experience?
Slight difference. It comes up to poundage a bit quicker than the cam on the RX7.
I’ll stick with my Hoyt Torrex until I see a flagship bow I really want.
That Torrex is a good bow. I have one of those too and I really like it. Good luck.
@@bill-winke it’s my getting back into bow hunting bow. When I was stationed in MO I had a PSE then moved overseas.
@bill-winke Noticed you shooting cock feather up some and down some, In your opinion, does it really matter??
I thought I had it cock feather down on all of them. I have different colored vanes so maybe it was cock feather down and looked like otherwise because of the different colors. It can matter, depending on how the arrow passes over the rest. Drop away rests are a bit less critical, but I still turn them a few different ways until I get the orientation that passes through/over the rest clean. So, to answer your question, yes, it does matter usually.
@bill-winke I can see the different color fletching now. I'm an idiot! Thanks for taking the time to respond!!!
Mathews guys are hilarious
The bow rivalry in general is hilarious. They are all really good.
I think Bill may be on roids drawing 80 lbs like its nothing. Haha
I have to work up to it each year. When I was younger it was a lot easier! Have a great day.
Just switch to Mathews. Everyone else is. A lot of Hoyt sponsored guys are leaving and going to Mathews because Mathews are so invested in their sponsors. Unfortunately Hoyt isn’t
Shoot what best fit you, not what others think. Why just Mathew lots of other bow companies out there.
What does Mathews being invested in their sponsers mean and how does it relate to quality of a bow.
Yea just do what everyone else is doing, great advice! Must be the right thing to do since everyone else has done it.😒
Matthews had to buy them just so they can hang up there bow next to the big bucks that where shot with Hoyt’s
Hoyt no longer wanted them lol they’re more aligned with the best bow hunter on earth (Cam) than anyone else
Bill i know your sponsored by Hoyt, but honestly have you shot the Phase 4 or the new Lift? Im a betting man and id bet that you haven't because if you had, I firmly believe you would make the switch. With Hoyt you HAVE to consistently upgrade your bow to stay with Hoyt because they change their cam and limb design about every 3-4 years and they WONT make the old designs making older Hoyts inferior to Mathews because you can still get way older cams and limbs from them so you can keep the same bow for YEARS. Not everyone can afford a new 2500 set up every year ao to me Hoyt is WAY behind the 8 ball and Mathews are actually less expensive than Hoyts and imo are better bows with better customer service. Plain and simple that its a far better value to buy a Mathews. Mathews also has a higher resale value because you can still get older cams, mods, and limbs.
The new LIFT is horrendous on the draw cycle, holding weight, incredibly jumpy and not a great buy when it comes to the other offerings on the marketplace. I wouldn't rank it in the top 3 personally. You're gonna be over 2k whe buying a new mathews as well, so it's not about money, it's about personal preference and what you like to shoot. The new Lift is a hard pass for me. I shot one at 71lb and it quite literally felt like I was drawing 90+ lbs.
@@GarrettHamilton I haven't had the chance I know it's new cams new axles and limbs so it would be totally different but the phase 4 is an awesome bow lol. I have the V3 and was thinking about upgrading to either the phase 4 or Lift not sure yet leaning towards the phase. But it's definitely not about preference in all cases. In fact in most cases especially people just getting into hunting value and tunability is the biggest factor and Mathews system is optimized for each individual .5 in increments. With Hoyt the longer the better the shorter the more you trade off. Plus as I've already previously stated you can still get stuff for the Q2 that's like 20+ years old you can't get stuff for Hoyt that's like 4 or 5 years old. So man there's way more to it than just preference. ATA length weight how it feels in the hand how it draws and all that but Mathews makes Mission bows which carries it's 4-5 year old technology but at an extremely affordable value. Hoyt bows are among if not the most expensive Bows on the market. Also Hoyts have been known for harsh draw cycles for years while Mathews has been known for some of the smoothest. So just magically like that in one year Mathews went backwards and Hoyt jumped forwards? I highly doubt that man. And lastly my question wasn't for you it was for Bill, and it was a simple question. Has he shot the Mathews Phase 4 or Lift? I bet u if you blindfolded 10 people and had them shoot both the lift vs RX8 at 60lbs (where most people shoot) the Mathews wins majority ea time again and again. The RX line was louder and jumpier than the V line up and that's facts. The RX8 is quieter than the 7 but still jumpy.... Im not paying for the "name and popularity". I've been a Mathews fan and I've had a Hoyt and couldn't stand it.
@@zachniverson8816 sounds like you work for Mathews the way you’re pushing it so heavily. Goodluck with your season though.
You too!
No difference between that and the lift not being able to use their proprietary crap from previous bows. They're both great bows, just personal preference what a guy likes.
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That's what we thought too.
Ugh.... you're a horrible influence. Mine will be here in a couple days. 😊
Nice. You will love it. Have fun.