This Will Change How You Mix Kick And Bass FOREVER
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I wish someone had told me this kick and bass mixing secret years ago.
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I also mix in solo in the early stages and get great results. Glad to have finally found someone who agrees. Will definitely be checking out more of your stuff 🙏🏼
To be honest it sounded better before the processing. Here’s why. Your using samples that most likely already have some form of processing by someone else. Usually the processing is done poorly. Once in a while you get lucky with a sample.. that is actually ok.
Second all the mixing tips you gave are not actually mixing tips… they are mending tips. Tips to correct the problems with the sounds you have. The result is more distortion, less clean sound, and everything you are doing is to compensate for the last thing you did. So you compensate again by adding more.
Hope that helps. Good luck on your journey!
I was listening to this and came here to say the same thing - just choose a different kick, don't waste your time with trying to fix a kick you don't like
@@eithafol7742 yes! Exactly. 😀👍🏻
just pros will understand
this was a really informative video, you're incredibly concise and clear with how you word things and you answer questions before I have even thought them :) subscribed mate thank you so much!
Thank you so much for that thoughtful comment. I really appreciate it! 💯🙌🏻
Don't like this music, but if I did - this channel is all I would need. You earned my subscription today. Great general advices, keep em comming. Peace from Northern Norway..
That comment really made my day, haha! Cheers from Berlin and thanks for the positive vibes!
36:27
you can't be serious. this is an off-season april fools joke, right? the before sounds so much better than this ugly layered kick with way too harsh hats.
Great job Phillip. Your videos really show the nuances of mixing without using hyped up tricks. You really illustrate how subtle, deliberate techniques make for the best sounding mixes. I'm learning a lot from you
That really means a lot, thank you for this honest feedback. I think it comes from true experience in the field. After mixing and mastering thousands of songs and THEN going on RUclips to share what I've learned, I simply don't have the need to "show off" with crazy effects chains or hyped up tricks that no real pro would use.
@@pickyourselfofficial it shows! it's valuable knowledge, thank you for sharing it
I've really been trying to focus on finishing the ideas that I have and allowing my creations to be 'done' - this is exactly the kind of video/advice I was looking for! Too many tutorials are these 'gotcha' techniques or rough generalizations, you present definite information with logical and empirical reasoning. Awesome video and I'm looking forward to watching more of your channel! The point that you make at 13:19 - Think in terms of solutions rather than in errors. Just great! 🎼
I really appreciate your thoughtful, in-depth comment. This makes it worthwhile to continue putting it in the work to make these videos. Thank you!
You should adjust the speed (the average time and the block size) of SPAN to see the low end accurately. Without a faster response, you cannot see what's actually happening below, say, 100Hz. You should notice the difference between the display on the Live EQ8 and the SPAN instance. Otherwise, this is a good video. Thanks. Also, the airwindows totape6 is an excellent low-end saturator and it's free. ☺️
this is not a good tutorial. jumping around like a grasshopper
These tutorials work way better for me than any others. Very well structured and explained, deep enough to teach me things I didn’t know and something that’s very rare these days: a modest attitude paired with a high level of professionalism. Keep up the great work!
I love it! Try using a multi band compressor on your bass and side chain your kick to the lowest band. Around 40hz (depending on the sounds of kick and bass of course) should do it. In that way you can leave the kick and bass as loud as you want them to be cause everytime they are played together one will make room for the other in the clashing frequency area.
Another thing I would recoomend is making sure the transients in the drums stay in tact. Especially for kicks in that type of music. If you route your kicks to a kick buss and do the processing there, you could send your raw kick(from the track before it hits the kick buss) to an aux that feeds back into an overall drum buss after the kick buss but before the mix buss. Now you got tons of great oportunites. On the kick buss you process the kicks however you like and actually clip them at the end of the chain, so you get a great sound without a lot of the transients left. NOW on the Aux (that you're sending the raw kick to) low cut all the lows and most of the mids and just keep the highs OR the frequencies around the transient, emphasize the transients with a transient designer if needed and use a bit of saturation to make it less pokey and then add it back to the kick sound AFTER the clipper(in a later buss like described before). You can add it back in just a tiny bit above the clipped kick, now you have a kick that apears to be loud as hell but hasnt lost the original transients at all plus you probably wont clip your master buss compressor. This way of mixing with transients in mind is kinda hard to understand at first but will really take your mixes to a completely different level. Combine it with the sidechain thing I mentioned before and theres the best kick/bass balance possible right now.
Gonna try this thank you. Sonnox transmod will be great for this transient work
Interesting workflow, thanks for sharing! 💯❤️
I'll come back in 2 years when I understand that.
@@designzonebeatscan i copy your homework?!😢
Where did you learned this? It sounds great!
Congratulations
you just find out that for mixing you need eq, compression and limiter lol
I've just discovered your channel and I'm so glad I did! This is top notch, no-nonsense mxing advice here. Looking forward to binge-watching your back-catalogue!
Thanks so much for this video. I love how simple you make everything, with no gatekeeping. I'm so happy to have found you!
I’ve experienced enough of the gatekeeping bs throughout my career so I’m very happy to offer an alternative way for the next generation of producers! Thanks for the great feedback.
this really was a mind blowing tutorial, ive been mixing for a while now (amateur) and have always had chains of processing that i was never satisfied with. Watching your logic and preservation of the sound you chose originally was what i needed to witness, thanks Phillip!! instant sub!
this sounds very thin
What do you sidechain the kick compressor to?
one of the most analytical course on mixing techniques, thanks so much
Mix in solo for a long time you start losing the overall perspective and have your ears fatiguing earlier . No BS at all!
I wish you posted this when I was trying to figure this out. I debunked a lot of the kick and base tutorials by trying and failing. I ended up doing a lot of the things you do here to make my kick punch, still learned a lot, great vid :)
This means a lot, thank you so much for the great feedback. I'm happy you still found it helpful :)
Yeah very much so, there are so many different ways to do things, and we learn something new every day right. Had to laugh when you said "Sometimes you don't have to do anything and that's ok" best advice of 2023 lol @@pickyourselfofficial
Finally, a great tutorial without all the stereotypical operations. I really liked you using kick & bassline but at the same time SUB! Please make more video about those triple combinations like how to achieve groove by using both bassline and sub like PROs! Thank you.
Nice one, I noted it instantly ;) just to be sure, have you already seen this video? ruclips.net/video/aA7q_zQWNtg/видео.htmlsi=c87rNKGSTz4qQLjq
Big thanks for this tutorial,very helpful
Thank for all your time and value information, amazing job, great form to explain
Very interesting and helpful vid - thank you! One thing - the processing you do at the end on the master channel: do you consider that part of mixing, or self-mastering? And not 'call it what you want': would you do master channel tweaks before sending to a mastering engineer (though, I think you are one; this is my confusion). Thanks again; respect 😉
The more experienced you get, the more you want to use mixbus processing (IF it’s part of your mixing style). Most professional mix engineers have some sort of mixbus processing. In an ideal world, the mastering engineer only has to do quality control and minimal tweaks. In the real world, as a mastering engineer, I prefer no mixbus processing over bad mixbus processing ;) But that’s exactly why I’m sharing these tips, it might help someone out there find their way of doing things.
Is the kick keyed to the root note or in the scale you are working with? I watched a vid from F9 studio (James Wiltshire). He says never use a kick that is in the scale you are working in. Always use a kick out the scale to prevent phasing issues with the sub. Also, every pro reference track I use always seem to have less energy in the low sub area than my music. I started cutting my kick and sub to try prevent the build up in the sub area. Are you saying this shouldn't be done? Why do all top level producers tracks on big labels have less in the sub range compared to my mixes? So many conflicting advice from (experts). I think I am better off doing what I've learned myself over the years. I learn info from many sources, I find what works for me best and stick with that. I haven't found anyone on RUclips that has the magic (only) answer to kick and bass.
Love how you've addressed the simplicity of the Kick & Bass topic. Thank you🖥
1001 tips😮 Absoluely hammer, awsome, crazy. I will study this 100 times😂 And let me tell you something. "Explain" is an art! I am a side-amateur, and understood everything!! The "why's" are always the points! And... for pretty the first time, I could hear, what you were doing. One cannot understand or train the hearing, when - other tutorials - fiddle in nano-ranges that only pros hear. Senseless. Pro's don't need such tutorials😉 At the end: I like people with clear opinions.
Way too long of a video... what is the advice? This is just you making ONE song.
Around minute 25 you do what you proclaimed was wrong. You cut the bass group exactly where you boosted the kick and call 104 herz low middle range... come on ;-)
But all in all you give a lot of good information, I feel the way you work. So sorry for beeing too strickt about the 100 Hz region ;)
Thanks for the comment, honestly! This gives me a chance to elaborate. Let me add some nuance: What I DON'T subscribe to is the technique that is shown in so many other RUclips tutorials: You check the center frequency of the kick (maybe even boost it on the kick channel), then you go to the bass channel and lower that exact frequency there (usually with a very deep cut). And I still stand behind this statement. This "carving out" -technique is very often resulting in a super artificial sounding low-end. Now what I do in this instance you mentioned is this: I've identified a frequency in the bass that feels overpowering to me (you're right, it's not low midrange anymore, sorry about that) and then I did a VERY gentle bell curve reduction (less than 2dB, very broad Q). I hope you now understand the difference here a bit better now :)
@@pickyourselfofficial Yeah I understand. You worked from a totally different approach ... I come more from a Hiphop direction of producing, but I think I know what kind of false advice you mean. I heard this trick really early, tried it and came allways to the same rsult, you can do that only if you add/reduce a bit as you did 2 db or something and do it with a wide bell. As I said I like the way you work with tiny tweaks. The does makes the poison. " I've identified a frequency in the bass that feels overpowering to me" Yeah and this Frequency is only 4 or 5 Herz away from where you boosted the kick gently. So in result it is a gentle form of carving out, I know not intentionally but in result. No offence :)
When you mentioned that it's okay to mix in solo, I'm very glad you made sure to remind people to double check if it works in context. It's a topic I've had many a discussion about and I was very happy to hear a supporting voice on the topic. Very good video with a LOT of valuable information!
Thanks so much! Yes, it’s a tricky subject for sure. When I’m in flow state while mixing, I go back and forth very quickly between solo and context. Both are important.
You answer so many questions coming up in my sessions every day. Thank you very much. Your tutorials help allot. Take my abo and my likes.
i dont care how click-baity you are i will ALWAYS click on a video about low end mixing
Haha, nice! I hope it‘s been worth it. I do my best to deliver ;)
20:10 instead of using lfo (if we are talking about native ableton plugins) u can use shaper, which is kind of lfo, but u have more control over the shape of the curve... just fyi :)
Any demo about mixing bass and kick drums (without bass and kick drums) is a waste of time. How about some real bass and drums? See, the thing is, synthetic voicing s (including drum machines) are already processed.
Great video! just subscribed. Agree with you totally, you can EQ solo. I dont get why people say you need to have the other sound going to be able to EQ the source. I think as you did today, this can be done at a later stage.
The second you added the character kick I could hear somthing that bothered me. Is it a sync issue or phase.... that happens often with kick layering. I personally prefer using parallel compression. But of course there's always more ways to achieve something. And I also disagree that mixing in solo is fine. It's not. It's good for better fine-tuning e.g. kick with bass etc but when done you still may want to alter it when all is playing.
Thank you for the video.
Never grouping kick with bass, should never be the rule.
Grouping them and pushing/processing them with special techniques makes them pump and flow better together.
That also means a lot of balancing betweem the 2, and the kick will be process first on its own, as well as the bass.
STFU is a great FREE Shaper Tool to duck sounds!! Similar to the Xfer one
Hey Phillip- I’m a huge fan of the channel, and was wondering if maybe I could request a topic for a video. I’m a huge fan of the Detroit techno scene; and was wondering if you could do a tutorial on mixing your 909s to mimic those of Jeff Mills and Claude Young. I know it is very niche, but I thought I’d ask- thank you so much, and please continue the wonderful work!
Great suggestion! I’ll add it to my list. Can’t promise when it’s gonna happen though ;)
Any specific tracks you’d like me to take a listen to? Some that make you go “wow, exactly those drums!”
@@pickyourselfofficial sorry for taking forever man! The drum on 'Late Night' and 'Gamma Player' are some of my favorites!
Appreciate you taking the time to read this man!
My first reaction when hearing "this is all you will have to learn... no more issues, ever again" was something like: "yeah, I've heard that a couple of times already, even (or especially) the bad tutorials tend to promise that, too". But dang, that's really good. So far, this looks like a really good execution of the "more is less" idea. Intuitively, I was never a fan of taking away more and more by eqing like there is no tomorrow. It always felt wrong to blindly chop away the low frequencies because "you don't hear them, anyway", and still, it reduced the quality of the result.
Especially when working dawless, I think it's a good idea to learn to work with what you have and better try to get the source material right.
That feedback means a lot! Thank you. The less is more approach comes from years of doing this for clients in the studio and it just sounds better in the end. I’ve certainly been through my phase of overcomplex effects chains, haha.
stopped this video after kick compression and 18-24 db/oct low cut...
Really great vid - thank you. I like your philosophy.
Re: When you did the comparison of the "Before" & "After" at Timestamp 36:18
I would have liked to have heard the "Before Audio" without the Plugins, volume matched to the volume level of the "After Audio" with the Plugins, to hear the true difference of the changes. Of course, anything will be perceived better if a few .db of Volume is added. So to hear the "Before Audio" at the start with the same volume level as the "After Audio" may have better shown the cohesion achieved by adding the specific Plugins. Also sometimes minor changes get lost over RUclips since they Squash the sound a bit.... Otherwise, very cool.... Thx ElectricEddie... 😎
Completely off-topic, but the bass you use in this tutorial totally makes me think of Yello's Bostich.
Great techniques but still the mix could've used more 🐄🔔
Wow, why so many haters on these videos? RUclips is a cesspool of hate lately. Thanks for another useful video, sir. Watched it to make sure, and yep, it’s basically how i work, too. (Professional, 30+ years experience) Keep up the great work, i’ll keep watching your videos.
The only thing i would add about compression is that using parallel compression is another great option
you talked at the beginning of this video about the need to make sure your kicks and subs are in tune with each other. do you have a video on how to do this? if not can you make one?
overrated!
Great tutorial, great and clear explanation again. It is really helpful to see your techniques. Thanks for your effort and sharing.
At the end it’s the artist’s creative process to shape the sound. With this kind of tutorials we get a great starting point.
🙏🏼 see you on your next video take care
Thank you, this comment means a lot to me!
i didn´t get what the glue compressor does specifically can anybody help ?
It would be great to listen to "before and after" comparison on the same LUFS levels.
Great tutorial! I use the Ableton Shaper and map it to the gain on a Utility to mimic the LFOTool.
Great tip!
Always match before comparing.
I love side chaining some upper mid frequencies too. Let’s guitar breathe through.
Incredibly explained. Well done. Got learn more. THanks for this
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it! 💯🙌🏻
Well explained video, cheers from Germany
Really helpful tutorial. Could a small amount of clipping be added to the individual tracks and or buss tracks to add extra headroom before hitting master and then the limiting and clipping on the master doesnt need to work as hard and it gives more headroom play with, and more loudness.
Yep! Clipping is a great tool for gaining a little bit of extra headroom. But easy to overdo. I rarely clip more than 1dB (unless I want the effect of the extra distortion). 🙌🏻💯
I use ears and studio grade 4 way active monitors, you're welcome.
Greetings Phillip,
Your teaching skills are 100% amazing!
Its a fantastic huge welcome that you walk through everything with such precision and then demonstrating the results. So many others fail here. Please keep up the great enthusiasm and thank you for sharing your wisdom.
Sincerely, Vince Tari
Thank you Vince, that means a lot!
sehr interessant. vieles war mir schon bekannt, aber das eine oder andere wurde noch einmal aufgefrischt. tolles video. thx :)
Freut mich, danke! :)
Keep it up g, You're doing a great job!
Amazing and informative video
Thanks so much, this means a lot!
Hello. 10:30 Why is it RMS and not Peak? Thank you.
I'm also struggling with kick and bass
Very clear and good presentation. Great Work - thank you!
You’re welcome 🚀💯
Excellent video,
I’m 45 years old, I’ve dedicated my life to music more than most have. I started drums when I was 3 years old, I also play guitar, bass and keys. I’ve always played in multiple bands across multiple genres. I also produce and DJ, again across multiple genres. I also produce and compose for moving image, ie game audio, film, tv, jingles, brands, earcons, art installations etc. I have diplomas, degrees and masters in music performance and production. I’ve been a drum tech, sound engineer, recording engineer, mix and master engineer, MD, tutor, I’ve own and ran studios, events, I’ve worked with hundreds of the biggest names in the industry across all genres, at the most well known venues, studios, festivals etc etc. And this is the watered down short version. I do way more stuff than I’ve mentioned. I say all this to illustrate the point that I know what I’m talking about, not to show off. I still feel like I’ve got loads to learn and feel like a noob compared to the people I know!
All the advice in this video was decent, there’s nothing to pick on or criticise here. Of course there’s a lot more that could have been said on the subject, but that video would take years! And it’s clearly obvious that Philip here knows all the other knowledge that would take years to discuss! However this video was very thorough and concise and to the point for it’s purpose. For those of you who are serious about music and have years of production experience and more importantly experience around other advanced and experienced producers you’ll have picked up by the way Philip speaks, his word choice, how he explains and expresses, his manner and subtle pearls of wisdom that he’s a professional that has years of experience.
We should be supporting and encouraging our fellow musicians and producers when they start a channel to help them grow, especially when the content is quality and it’s free!
There’s clearly a few unhappy people in the comments section here (shock horror!) to all the haters, get off the computer, get out into nature and fresh air, do some exercise, raise your heart heart and sweat lots! You can thank me later! 😂
liked, subbed and I’ll no doubt share! Greetings from Aberdeen Scotland! Cheers! 🏴🤍🌀🥃🏴
That was a true “mic drop moment” in the comments! I truly appreciate your thorough and nuanced contribution. Hit me up via email if you want to tell me more about what you’re up to now, I’d love to know!
@@pickyourselfofficial - You’re welcome!
Yes maybe I’ll get in touch at some point, life is pretty hectic at the moment, I’m trying to pursue my creative career and build my own business whilst also being a a full time Dad to two very small Children! It’s an amazing but also very challenging experience!
Keep up the good work!
@@TheColdHarshTruth then we’re in the same boat. Two small kids as well here ;) virtual dad high-five!
So nobody can make a critic because automatically is a hater? I'd have many things to criticize in this video...
@@pickyourselfofficial - Apologies for the delayed response! You know how it is with Kids! 😅 Virtual high five indeed! I’ll definitely hit you up properly sometime! Keep up the great work! 😎🤍🌀🙏🏽
Dude that bass drum/kick is bloody awful!
Absorption is my technique. Like, soaking in the nuances of not over thinking.
Brilliant video. Thanks
Yes got massive value 😊 1st time watching one of your vids after 2+ year's on YT for music production stuff (mostly psytrance 🤷♂️)
Colour me impressed.
Off to check you're older vids!
Really appreciate it, thank you 💯🙌🏻
the kick have the release not good for me the gate is more better
That’s mainly a stylistic choice, great that you know about gating :)
Which headphones do you use? On my headphones, I only hear a bit noise from the sub bass but couldn't make any decisions. What do you recommend for mixing?
I use Audeze LCD-X. Incredible for mixing and mastering.
Really nice advise again :)
finally someone shows that mixing is not going crazy with stuff, instead of massage the sounds to their right place ;).... well done
This is the way ;)
Very good information thanks. hard to find tutorials of this quality
That means a lot, thank you!
Great video! I am not a fan of electronic music, but I thought there would be something useful for me here as I produce music with an electric bass, and drums, and there are many fundamentals I can apply indeed. I'd love to see someone making an awesome video like this one but with electric bass. It still looks tricky to me, and most videos don't quite cut it, or use commercial plugins I wouldn't commit to purchase without justification. Keep doing the good work.
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! If you’re into band music you have to check out this channel by my friend Benedikt Hain: youtube.com/@theselfrecordingband
All I can say is that they’re about to release some insanely good tutorials over the next few months. 💯🚀
What about phase alligment?
Great video, I have been struggling with this. So this is very welcome and well explained. Thanks!
That means a lot, thank you!
Demis Hellen (Trance producer and sound designer) does group Kick and Bass in one group in the mix, in one of his tutorials (making Uplifting Trance). I think he intentionally wants to have them influence each other. I think it makes sense to separate them (as by the logical reasons you provided), but it would be really interesting to hear more about the "very few cases" when you actually want to group them (in electronic music).
Thanks so much for that great question! I’m happy to elaborate :)
I’d say as long as you’re intentional about it (which this artist seems to be), there’s nothing wrong with it. If he wants them to cross-influence, more power to him!
In my case, I prefer maximum control over both elements and I want the groove to be as precise as possible without that cross-influence (apart from maybe some sidechain compression or lfo ducking the bass against the kick).
Moreover, the grouping can make more sense in cases where you want it be whole “groove section” (aka bass and drums) to feel like one thing. So in some electronica or downtempo projects, it might be just right.
@@pickyourselfofficial Thank you so much for your detailed elaboration on the topic. I ungrouped the kick and put in in my DR bus (where there are no bass heavy elements in the same group). Now the kick punches much better and melts into the other drum/percussive sounds. Slate Drum strip sits on top and does some compression, EQ and transient magic. Both BS and DR busses are sent to PreMaster bus now. A compressor doing a very slight bit there and so I get a punchy, coherent and "one thing" sound. Best is that I can use one compressor on the BS bus to sidechain against the kick which saves me lots of CPU. Thanks again for your video 🤩
Do you offer song feedback services by chance? I'd be happy to maybe get a second opinion from a pro once the mix of my new single is done (EBM with many trance elements)
This is such great information, No BS just good honest tutorial, you have a new subscriber 👍 keep the content coming
Thanks so much, this means a lot to me!
Hi Phillip. Great video! Very helpful and informative. I have a question though... Can you apply these techniques in synthwave production as well? I feel that the kick/bass relation there is a bit different compared to EDM or Techno. Especially the kick in sythwave is a lot less punchy and a bit more soft/sluggish I guess. Any tips for synthwave genre, or are your videos oriented solely on Techno and EDM?
I’d say you just don’t want to push the kick as hard in synthwave. And it would be a gerne where I think grouping the whole drum set together can make sense. You don’t need as much precise control over the kick individually.
@@pickyourselfofficial Thanks for the reply, very much appreciated. I will try it out. Keep up the great contet!
You are my Sensei! *bow* thank you 🙏
That means a lot, thanks so much! 🙌🏻💯
keep going you are great!
Great video Philip. I'm just getting into production, and I will be following you a lot. Really well-explained techniques. Can't wait to see your other videos. Keep up the good work!!
I really love your channel. Just discovered it. I would love for you to do something like this with 3rd party plugins just to show what you would use if you were going to release it professionally. I am just curious as I have spent wayyyyyy too much money on 3rd party plugins so it would be nice to see that someday. Thanks for all you do!!!!!
Noted ;) thanks for the great feedback, I really appreciate it a lot!
Amazing video - great style, opinionated with great opinions!
Glad it resonates with you, thank you!
That "super easy" comment starting at @2:48 I have a feeling this is exactly the video I'm looking for. I just hope filter induced phase shifting is addressed.
Will do a video specifically on that. It’s funny, this is one of the topics I see everyone mentioning but rarely have they ran tests or know what is actually going on. There are good reasons why both low shelf and low cut/ high pass exist. Phase is only one of many reasons to choose one over the other.
@@pickyourselfofficial Cool, that would be great! Yeah when you learn filter design in college, phase is a huge consideration when learning the math/theory, but in the real life audio world where phase matters, it seems to be an afterthought. I'm certainly guilty even though I literally know better, but recently I've been trying to restore live recordings from old cassette tapes and phase is proving to be the boss of all!
Great work. All of your EQ moves make sense. I'm going to start following you ASAP!
Thanks so much! 🙌🏻💯
Great Intention but In my opinion this video just confuses beginners and advanced producers will shake their head at some points. Always Group your kick&bass but always use busses for the kicks (kick layers) and the bass layers. If you just explained what ADSR is, how to add weight&mid/top punch + how to look out for good sounds , you would have saved yourself and the viewer a lot of time. And please don't overteach mixing by eyes. This is no hate, only constructive criticism. Have a good one mate
My suggestion: Saturate your kick buss and bass buss separately and put a really tiny tiny bit of saturation on the overall kick&bass group to give both elements the same color. After that a low shelf around 25-35Hz instead of a drastic cut (after the saturation, because saturation adds unwanted frequencys back in) and limiting on kick & bass should only be used in very special cases or to produce genres like Hardhouse/Hardtechno, just pick a better sample. Overall remember sample choice is the most. You can have the best mixing skills, if the sample is bad it will sound a bit better after processing but still bad.
& also use gain match, loudness tricks you to the thought that something is sounding better
incredible top quality video and tutorial , definitely subscribed and gonna devour any other tutorials you got, some of the cleanest and best explained tutorials I've ever encountered
huge job
Wow, that really means a lot to me. I'll do my best to keep overdelivering. I appreciate your feedback a lot!
This is the no bs video I needed, thank you
You’re very welcome! 💯🙌🏻
THANKS A LOT. Been watching YT tutorials for 3 years and it´s interesting to watch someone who not only brings forward different approaches but also prooves them using actual data like SPAN... it was realy suprissing to me to see how little of a difference that low cut actualy makes to the lower frequencies in the kick, when visualized in SPAN. Same with percussions and rolling bass, i developed as a rule of thumb to just harshly cut anything below 80hz or so, resulting in thin mixes which has been a struggle for me since day 1. Cant wait to get back to work. Really exposes how all of this videos have been using this as the easy way to kind of teach and gain views but it has to be approached in a very broad way, just as you did. LIKED AND SUBBED. 🙌🙏
Niiiice, so happy that this resonates with you! Thanks for the great feedback :)
Small comment on the low cut experiment:
I'm not sure how SPAN handles this issue (because they probably do some smart stuff) but FFT (the algorithm used by SPAN) can't detect super-low frequencies without very large "chunks" of waveform to analyze. This may mean that a HP filter does work that you can't see in SPAN. To be sure you would need to sample the full wave/track and fourier that instead. (Makes me wonder if there are songs which have a tiny wave the length of the entire song... weird stuff)
Great tutorial thank you
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low cut in kick and basslines is so important, as is mid/side signal mixing!! Your kick has a lot of rumble in it below 40hz, which again takes away energy for the bassline. if you play a b note. Is that about 60hz.. where it generates the most pressure.. why does it have to run down to 5 hz?? I don't understand...🤔
Example: a kick in note G, plays at 49hz there it has the main energy so I cut it at least at 35hz if not even at 40hz!
This gives more air for the bassline where it goes down to 20hz and doesn't obscure the kick as soon as the bassline is played!😉 like yours..
A bsssline shouldn't really run up to 10khz. Rather at 2-5 khz high cut... the melodies have more assertiveness afterwards, as do the hi hats...
The main energy of kick and bass is mostly between 20 and around 200hz.. so cute that most of the time at around 180hz the kick and bass together retains air space and pressure!
I never use a limiter for kick and bassline, it's definitely not necessary...
Limiter belongs in mastering and not in mixing.. (my opinion)
if a clipper or compressor.. I also always mix kick and bassline in mono, also together in a group bus where kick and bassline runs in a group bus.. for joining together with a compressor glow together like for example SPL Iron Comp .. great part! but don't overcompress (slightly)
For pure bassline compression, the best compressor is Chandler Germanium from Softube..👌that's how I work!😉
Thanks for sharing your workflow :) I used to mix very similarly and also believed that certain things “have to be this or that way”. Hundreds of real client projects later you start to develop a deeper understanding of how things are connected and why certain “musts” and “shoulds” come more from content creators than from real engineers. Sayings like “limiters belong into mastering, not limiting” for example are self-limiting beliefs that seriously cut your possibilities and potential. I think you come from a good place which is why I’m answering this comment. My recommendation is to try and break out of some of the self-imposes “rules” and start finding independent, critical listening and decision making. Some of the things I do and say here will start to make more sense then :)
hey.
I accept your statement...
But just a question, don't you hear it on your Neumann speaker or headphones, that your kick has a scratching sound at the end of the sample, that the sine wave is not cleanly cut and that the kick itself distorts???🤔 I hear it very well on my Studio monitor before limiting the kick and after limiting it only gets more extreme!😉🙁
@@mosermichael4404 it’s not the cut, it’s the actual sample and was purposefully chosen. I’m not even using a sine (in that case you’d be right). Whether or not you like the limiter on it depends on taste. I’d normally use the Fabfilter Pro L2 which does a much cleaner job. All in all you can probably find tons of examples where something I show doesn’t sound “perfect”, “clean”, or “100% equal loudness after bypassing”. I can live with that because that’s not what this is all about. I respect your strive for good sound, that’s great to see. All the best to you and your endeavors with music.
@@TheJohnsofDoes true! I guess many producers have to first of all go through the phase of thinking that you need to do M/S processing (because it’s been a “hot thing” in many tutorials over the last years) only to find out by critical listening that it’s probably doing more harm than good in 9 out of 10 cases. That being said, for that one case I’m really glad it exists ;)
Super helpfull tips
Glad you got something out of this!
Good stuff!
Excellent results, good advice!
excellent vid!
You touched on head room for a moment. I'm embarrassed to say, that's something I haven't fully wrapped my head around yet. It would be interesting to hear your opinions on what's important to know about head room, what kind of mistakes you see people make, maybe what your methodology is for managing head room from production thru master
Excellent question! I think most of the answers are in this video: The Only Gain Staging Tutorial You Ever Need To Watch
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If you need more, just let me know. I might make a follow-up video on it :)
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Love when someone has that older brother knowledge
My pleasure! :)