Everything you NEED to know about Phase Allignment for Kick & Bass!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:09 Project setup
1:03 Oscilator phase
3:32 Harmonics & sine waves.
6:04 Traditional phase alignment.
9:55 My way of aligning kick & bass.
15:36 Outro
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In today's video I want to show you how to do phase allignment between your kick & bass for psytrance. There will be 2 methods discussed in this video, the first will be the traditional method of doing phase allignment whilest the second one is the method I like to use. Together with kick & Bass cleaning this will make sure your kick & bass translates well to other sound systems!
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Everything you NEED to know about Phase Allignment for Kick & Bass!
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with the pha-979 u can use the force mono button so u only need to work with one phase knob ;)
I've been waiting for this long time, will propably re-watch multiple times.
Ahh nice! thanks a lot. Glad I could help bro!
@@Projektor_music yay! i've needed to re-learn more topics so keep it coming XD
@@steelssystem maybe this playlist is interesting for you: ruclips.net/p/PLiHjNW26F3PvpBk411t4xbFU6d2F5Jjh7
@@Projektor_music thank you very much ! appreciated well!
The best explanation I've ever seen.
Thanks, but check out my 3 hour long ultimate guide then lol :)
Very interesting. Thanks for explaining and sharing your Art-Craft.
thanks man! glad you enjoyed!
All of your videos are so great. And this one is a BOMB.. Thank you so much.
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed it!
Voxengo PHA-979 has FORCE MONO. So, no need to move 2 Phase parameters :)
yes I saw it. Thanks for the info!
i learned so much thanks
Glad to hear it!
I think this is what I need. Thank you!
Glad you were able to find this! There is some more stuff in the playlist, mainly about cleaning.
Very good explanation.. thank you!!
You're welcomer, glad you liked it!
@Projektor ... on Voxengo's PHA-979 you got the option to activate "Force Mono" this makes the right delay / right phase / side mix and pan knobs unavailable and lets you work with only the left side knobs and the main out gain knob ;)
ahh nice thanks.
you can also adjust the phase with holdring right mouse click in stereo mode, then it will apply changes to both L+R
@@brzi4459 ohh cool! that's actually a great feature!
@@brzi4459 never tried that.. good to know 😂👍
I find a one problem with aligning bass and kick with each other, you basically increase the overall volume in a certain timeframe because both signals are perfectly in phase (You don't want that). Kick and bass in this situation interfere with each other in the low sub freq area, take a look at 8:17. If your kick is too long just make it shorter or play bass little bit later and set randomization to zero inside serum and problem will be gone. If you play bass sound after the kick you don't have to bother with entire alignment thing. It is so simple, why overcomplicating stuff?
are you into psytrance production? First of all phase allignment is not the only thing you have to do, you can sidechain as well remioving any excess loudness. Second, not playing the bass when the kick plays means you get a gallop pattern as oppose to a rolling pattern... so you get a different musical idea which you might not want. Third, if you watch the video you will see that I do indeed set the randomization of the phase to zero in serum, I wanted to make that point to show how important that particular setting is. Finally the kick is not too long, it exactly as long as I want it to be...
great video
Thanks!
Vision 4X (developed by Noisia) is by far the best tool to use when getting this right!
seems that it gives a single waveform display in stereo. you will need at least 2 different displays and idealy a summing display too. also having it tied to the beat timing of your DAW is helpful so whe waveform does't move around. Seeing as psyscope is free, I suggest people use that instead...
@@Projektor_music You can select the oscilloscope to view left, right, mid, side, and stereo independently. Not to mention you have a spectrogram that lines up with the oscilloscope - much better for viewing the phase relationship. The viewport also displays which bar you’re playing from. Psyscope is nice but I tell all my students to try Vision instead.
@@Trentcast none of those modes allow you to actually see kick seperately, bass seperately & their sum. which I would reccomend for anyone working with phase as I mentioned. Vision 4x clearly is designed as a tool for overal monitoring while mixing or mastering. Psyscope was specifically designed for phase allignment in psytrance (hence the name). Honestly if I were you I'd stop telling my students to spend money on things a free tool does better...
the 2nd way is very good. my experience with it is that it will introduce problems later when you want to change some processing on the bass, because you have to do it on both channels. so instead of duplicating serum, you could remove the 1st fundamental from the saw wave and add a simple sinewave as 2nd osc or as sub osc, and control the volume with an 1/4 lfo that only introduces the sub when the kick doesnt play anymore. that way you can still have everything in one channel and can be even more precise with the sub volume since i think that controlling it with an lfo is more accurate than with velocity.
I've essentially combined the whole process into 1 patch: ruclips.net/video/mDI3A5SYw5U/видео.html the second thing I like to do is phase allign after I've done my processing. It's kind of a way to force yourself to stick with certain desicions, helping you finish the track quicker
@@Projektor_music yeah thats of course important to not get stuck but i almost always need to change some stuff as soon as i got some context in the track ^^ and seeing those 2 channels was always kind of frustrating for me knowing i have to precisely adjust both
@@brzi4459 for any fine tewaks & such you can get away with not worrying about the phase shift. I've found that the only real negative can be postringing on the kick as long as you use shelfs & bells with low Q factors nothing can mess up to a point where you need to redo stuff IMO. just make sure the bass is well cleaned or resampled tho
For cubase users you can just link the inserts of the two channels, each change in plugin param will reflect to the sec channel
The better option is just to flip kicks phase instead of trying to do all the bass
earned a like, awesome explanation
thanks man! Glad it helped!
superb!! thanks!!!!!
no worries man! thanks for watching!
Eye opening, trying both soon and looking forward to your feedback stream 😁✊
great! glad you enjoyed it! If you want more make sure to check the playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLiHjNW26F3PvpBk411t4xbFU6d2F5Jjh7
@@Projektor_music thanks, in time want to go over nearly all of them but maybe after those 1 hour and 2 hours long ones i am gonna think that i know everything 😬 actually i am a fan of melodic rolling kinda basslines but besides E-Clip's video, I didn't go any further yet, did you touched that issue specifically in somewhere on your videos?
@@egeozel80 I've not yet covered the melodic aspect of bass creation. not much of a music theory kinda guy lol
@@Projektor_music i am like that too but various forces are pushing me into the theory direction or at least melodical thinking :D ok then thanks again
Psyscope is great. You can reduce scale to see signal over 0db, also trailing line will show it's place.
yeah there is also a pro version which should be even better. Have yet to test it though.
thank you mate 💪
you're welcome :)
Very cool !
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed!
Thank you! Im just watching your serum bass synthesis videos now ❤☮️
There is a whole playlist for you to enjoy: ruclips.net/p/PLiHjNW26F3PvpBk411t4xbFU6d2F5Jjh7
@@Projektor_music love your work ❤️
@@vvbazilvv362 thanks man!
@@Projektor_music i must say, i love the way you have organised this playlist.
@@vvbazilvv362 thanks. I didn't really do anything, it's just in order of upload date. TBH i think the best way to watch it is starting with the big guide then going up from there... I might actually put some time into organizing it properly though...
This is really good stuff. Just made a complex subject for me much more logical and understandable. Gracias Amigo
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no worries brother! Glad I can help!
@@Projektor_music Same here i had to watch a lot of youtubers before seeing this quality content very well explained its now crystal clear to me :)
Man in Pha-979 u can move both phase sliders at the same time by holding Alt + slider movement
yeah there is a few ways, you can also force mono if you want, only found that stuff out after the video but I don't use it myself so it's ok.
use the monomix button on the PHA-970 :)
Thanks for the tip man! that makes it a lot easier.
@@Projektor_music with pleasure.
very nice
Thanks man!
nice
Hey all wanted to ask when do actually working on the phase alignment? Last thing in the mix or right on the start or continue to mess with it until you finish the whole track?
any form of cleaning and mixing should be done once you have the final bass I guess. if you do phase allignment and then add a bunch of filters all the work was for nothing...
@@Projektor_music thanks for the rapid response, it makes sense I’ll move this stage to last ~ this track my bass will be aligned! :))
Hey Projektor, nice new video. It just proved that you're my main developer in music knowledge, cause i already knew everything (thx to your content)..
But i have a question lef: Your Basslines waveform in the psyscope is pretty much the same length in every 'up and down' like the kick. Sometimes my basses are like good aligned for abt 2 ups and downs in the waveform, but then it shifts more and more and is out of phase, to come back to a point where its perfectly sligned again,if you understand what i mean😅 Like the ups and downs of the bass are longer than the ones of the kick...
If you get what i mean, how to fix that?
I think in the second part of this video I mention how i like said method because you don't have to tune the kick whereas for the first method you do need to tune the kick for perfect alignment. This is the reason, you cannot phase allign 2 sinewaves if they don't play at the same, or multiple of the same, frequency. you can fix it by tuning your kick if you want to go that route but I suggest not worrying about it & using the second method
Hey bro thanks for sharing! Where u get this oscilloscope? I so sick and tired of the smexoscope!
it's called Psyscope by FX23 but it is windows only
@@Projektor_musicthanks!! Very useful! Btw. that delay of the waveform is because of the latency. You can adjust it in the plugin 😉
@@theunconciousmind7314 i don't know where I mention any delay but at 12:00 you can see that I indeed use that (and have already done it prior to recording the video)😉
Hey bro . I was wondering if you could touch up on techniques that help finish a track ? Cos I feel like some of us are really good at sound design but have no direction. Any tips or techniques in this regard would be appreciated.
yeah man! I can add that to the list of future videos. I don't know when I'll be able to get to it though!
Ive got 30 unfinished tracks and im still adding to them 😂
Good info here! Hilariously, the audio and video of your speech are out of alignment 😋
yeah I had some camera issues back when I recorded this one. I'm glad it's still helpfull
Is there no plugin which takes two (or more) inputs and produces their sum, but optimally compensated for phase cancellation?
no, you will have to do his manually...
@@Projektor_music Why is there no such plugin though? It would be very popular. Difficult (impossible??) to implement?
hi, what about auto-alignment tools? MAutoAlign for example, though there are some others out there. any experience with any of those?
I believe those are geared more towards drum mixing and stuff like that. Usually for alligning room mics to direct mics and such. I don't know how they handle sounds that don't play at the same time!
Great video! Just so you know I think your microphone audio isn't synced properly with your camera (words don't match with your mouth lol).
yes I know. still havign some issues with the new camera
What about a offbeat baseline? Should I phase the base note at same time kick hits?🤷🏽♂️🙏🏽
some believe it will still help you get a more cohesive KB and it might help. Personally I don't bother as there is no overlap of course...
@@Projektor_music allright🤩🙏🏽 thanks alot🥳💪🏽🔊🎶👌🏽
If I put MFreeformPhase (that has a huge latency), oscilloscope shows wrong positions, why ableton does not compensate (others also have this issue), and why you don't seem to have that problem?
Ableton's plugin delay compensation is track based and not plugin based, because Ableton was designed for live performances, not technically as a DAW. I also have the same problem, within psyscope however I can compensate for it. I believe my psyscope by default opens up with compensation set for the latency of exactly 1 instance of MFreeFormPhase or I might have compensated for it off camera between takes...
@@Projektor_music Good for you that you can go over these issues so easy you forget how you done it :D I can't go over it, yes it's possible to workaround but it's quite unconfortable. DAW could report the latency to the plugin but Ableton won't do it. Always you have to find the hacky ways if you want to do something advanced. For example you want to modulate with notes (fe: gating), you face 6ms latency, even if you write very simple modulator in M4L, because factory and creative commons M4L devices are mostly piece of *. This kind of Ableton flaws extremely annoys me. Also tried bitwig, but missed the things that really great in ableton like basic devices (Operator, compressor, etc), so came back
They could not make profit from live performants, maybe they designed at the beginning that way by mistake, but they sell it to tons of people who try to make music at home. I think this is their excuse now for their flaws, probably they can't fix because they messed up their code with tight deadlines over quality. I am a software developer, so know how these things works. And I heard that bitwig guys was the ones who quit from ableton because they had enough how things was going on.
@@haridaniel777 no it was a deliberate design desicion as it means less overall latency as you only calculate delay once per track and not once per effect on each track. If you are a software developer you probably also know that before starting to code, a design spec is created to see what actually needs to be done and how it needs to work. There is a high probability one of the design specs was to minimize latency so I assume this was all a deliberate choise. I can imagine now that the audience has mostly shifted to non-live production it is indeed hard to recode the plugin delay compensation. Ableton handles each track on it's own thread so the plugin delay compensation is probably tied to the multithreading needed for that. I think neither of us would like to deal with that kind of mess either...
@@haridaniel777 yup same for me.I hate everything about latency in ableton but I hate bitwig more lol
I can't make a clean bass line to safe my life. The pain is real hahaha
wait till the 13th, that video will help! also use psyscope from the beginning of making your kick & bass
Which software is use for psytrance
all of it... what do you mean specifically?
Seems like this would require phase adjusting every single bass note
yeah that's why most people use a single note for the first bass in the beat...
How can you get psy scope for a mac?
I think it is windows only unfortunately. I don't know of any mac alternatives that work as nicely as psyscope, apart from maybe subninja (which I covered recently in it's own video)
Do i need to purchase psyscope or is psyscope free fine?
I use the free version but I'm probably going to upgrade!
I tried using it.... no idea how you got your bassline to show up as a separate layer to the kick within the plug. I put psyscope on the kick and bass (group) and did not see the waveforms overlapping each other as they are in this video (even though i clicked on the layers tab). Not sure if you had to map the layers to the plug-in somehow... I didn't actually understand how this is done...?
@@PT-mo9mg You need to send the kick to the main input, and the bass to a sidechain input. the plugin can't magically know what is kick and what is bass from a single signal...
your lips are out of phase lol
yeah ahah, had some delay issues when I got the new camera, newer videos should be OK but thanks anyway!
Hey sorry man the only video series looks affordable.... Thanks
you're welcome!
$100 usd worth of plugins!! Not including Serum!! No thanks.
the only non free plugin shown in this video other than serum is LFO tool...
Another broken technique-so much for phase alignment-somehow it’s going to ruin your bass dynamics when using different types of basslines beyond a sine wave. Whenever you change your pitch or key, the bassline waveform is simply destroyed by this process. It’s not conducive to creativity for composers.
what? If simple technical aspects of music production block you in your creative process than said creative process was probably not going to succeed either way as there are many many other similarly useful technical processes that need to happen for a psytrance track to work. Of course you write music but said music has to work well from a technical perspective too...
also no it does not ruin the dynamics of the bass (I think you didn't watch the video in full as I actually cover this in the later part). the point is to reduce the dynamics to the minimum, giving you maximum energy coming out of the waveform.
When changing the pitch the waveform is destroyed, but only if you don't understand phase allignment... If you change notes you have to phase allign the new note again, cus it is no longer phase alligned. so then you fix the issue, through phase allignment. I mean this should be easy to understand right...
@@Projektor_music That is why sidechaining remains the best method. Even top-tier sound engineers recommend this, despite potential phase correlation issues that can be minimized. Your technique is only suitable for a simple, repeatable bassline, such as in the techno genre. However, with complex bassline note arrangements in psytrance, it will ruin the bass or kick dynamics within those frequencies. All you will hear is the kick overpowering the bass when there is a dynamic key change.
I just listened to your album, and to be honest, your kick and bassline are totally out of sync and lack proper dynamics and rhythm. In some tracks, the kick lacks punchiness. Even tracks from 20 years ago have better bassline and kick integration without today's advanced tools. You should listen to Bizzare Contact - Seven Days to hear how an old track can have such a good dynamic bass.
@@osulationhit2130 the track you linked has a bassline which doesn't overlap with the kick, no sidechain or phase allignment needed... BTW phase allignment and sidechaining work together, just because you do one doesn't mean don't use the other.
In regards to my album: I am not going for dynamic basslines, it's no longer the 90's... I'm looking to produce the modern type of psytrance which lacks dynamics in favor of extra loudness. I like that sound so that is what I aim for...
@@Projektor_music Listen to Red Means Distortion, the album by Astrix released 15 years ago, because most of your tracks sound similar to it. This album is one of the era-defining works that introduced many changes in bass elements before artists like Zyce, X-Noize, Blastoyz, Berg, and others who have creative bassline arrangements. I've been listening to psytrance since the millennium and have gone through almost a thousand tracks. When I was young, I couldn't notice any phase correlation since my ear wasn't trained for that. So, an average person can't notice it, but all those basslines give vibes and clarity. And yes, most of them were mixed with analog gear using ducking or sidechain from compressors, so you hear it's not 'overlapping'. Your technique of aligning the kick tail with the bassline, for some reason, is going to sound different at low frequencies due to how psytrance kick and bassline fill the whole track with a fast tempo, and you are not going to HEAR THE DYNAMICS WITHIN THAT FREQUENCY RANGE. I feel so annoyed explaining this again. Your tutorial is only good for DNB, Trap, Dubstep, or Techno genres, not for psytrance. Good luck with your album.
@@Projektor_music Listen to Red means distortion album from astrix released 15 years ago because most of your tracks sound similiar to it. This guy album its one of the era did alot of bass elements changes before Zyce, X-Noize,Blastoyz, Berg and some of the artist that has creative bassline arrangement. I been listening to psytrance since millineium almost thousand tracks. when i was young, i cant notice any phase correletion since my ear didnt train for that. So average person cant notice that but all those bassline give vibes and clarity. And yes most of them was mixed at analog gear by ducking or sidechain from compressors, so you hear its not 'overlapping'. And your technique alligning Kick tail with bassline, for some reason its going sound diffirent at low frequencies for how psytrance kick and bassline will be filling the whole track with fast tempo, and you are not going to HEAR THE DYNAMICS WITH THAT RANGE. And i feel so annoyed explaining this, again your tutorial its only good for DNB, TRAP, dubstep or techno genre not for psytrance. Good luck with your album.