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Three absolute legends! You can tell that they genuinely want to help, I mean this kick and bass guide here is light years ahead of any 'paid for' masterclass I've purchased in the past.
I just CANNOT believe that you uploaded this one for free!!! Was going to sub to your patreon to see this but now you got a new sub and a shit ton of respect my man. This is probably the most in depth guide to the topic at the date and the community owes you my man. Have a great holiday
I don't even produce Psy-Trance, but needed an in depth rundown of all things phase. This is a blessing. It's insane a lot of other genres just glance over that
As if the Yellow sun is rising again. probably the best video i've seen for a production topic, and the concepts can be applied to so much music. This gave me a fundamental and essential understanding of Kick & Bass, on a level of detail I'd only expect in a college course. This feels like a the key to this genre has been unlocked for me. I appreciate you so much my friend.
@@boardbax I don't have to sidechain my kick & bass because of the velocity. in essence the velocity replaces the sidechaining and achieves nearly the same effect, only the whole note gets turned down. if you use sidechaining towards the end of the note it becomes louder (bacause the curve has to go up for the next note). I don't like that effect.
I spent so much money on something that didn't work for me at all and then I found your video and I couldn't believe that such important information could be free, thank you very much for this
(Sorry for my english) 🇫🇷 Thanks for you advice, as beginner/intermediate producer, I recently discover your channel and you make amazing tutorial ,I love use some psytrance element on my hard techno track like the famous kick bass rolling and your videos are very interresting to understand how it does work and that very helpful ! You give a good detail to progress and try to perfect sound. Again thanks you and i stay tune for futur video 🤘
Your videos are simply amazing & I need to say that you're a very good teacher. I often have problems staying motivated in the beginning stages of learning a new skill and that's why I tend to be discouraged when watching other psytrance-bloggers - their videos are good, but sometimes very complicated and thus not easily accessible for beginners. In contrast, you explain everything very well & in a very logical manner that everything makes sense (even to me as a production amateur). Really enjoy watching your videos, hope you will continue doing what you do!
Awesome in depth video on the kick and bass relationship. I learned heaps of sound design tips and tricks. Thanks for the effort you put into making this 💛
Thank you much for this video! I really appreciate, there is so much to learn about kick and bass processing that my head is almost turning yellow. But you covered a lot and that will help future producers a LOT!
What an amazing lecture! The best Psytrance bass+kick tutorial I've seen so far 😍 I am about to release my first psy-trance tracks, and your tips help me a lot to double-check if everything is fine and improve the quality of my music in further work. All the advice I've been collecting from the different videos is now in one place. It's just amazing! Thanks a lot!
Thank you a lot for this guide. It's really detailed and structured. I did try some synthesis out myself already and watched other guides, I feel that this guide finally nailed down the fundamentals for me.
Yeah it is really instructive and clear, I am a house music producer and I wasn’t really aware of the phase shifting that effects, processes are creating even my mixes looked clean. My tracks weren’t translating in the master as I wanted. Looking for ways for solving mix issues found your channel. Keep the good work coming man this one hits the mark! My humble opinion is you can maybe try to make some tutorials for broader range of genres to get more audiences. I think you deserve the best! Cheers 🫶🏻
the most complete psytrance kick and bass tutorial in youtube , excellent job , very detailed explanation , thanks dear projektor 🥰 in continuation of this tutorial would you please make a tutorial about changing bass notes like in progressive psytrance style ? like playing in 4 different notes in a song , thanks 💋
Thanks man! Glad it is helpful. There is not much more to add in regards to making basses for multiple notes, you just have to either make a wavetable patch or resample multiple times...
thanks for reply , i tried them but in many cases when you move to different note the fundamentals of kick and bass clash , when this happens what is your advise ? which one is important to keep kick or bass fundamental ? another issue is that when you move to other note (mostly the higher notes) bass loses its power , although it has same dynamic range and vol. level and suddenly you feel like energy drop in mix , @@Projektor_music
@@masoodkhodayi in that case I'd go for the second method of phase allignment explained in the video, where you remove the bass and allign the kick to the transient of the bass. For the second problem, yeah that's what happens at different pitches. it's the sacrifice one makes for a melodic bassline. Part of this effect might have to do with your listening enviromnent though...
unreal! thank you so much for your time, effort and not least "no bullshit knowledge" of the subject matter. This was a YELLOW one for me and will be again and again for reference. thank you
great guide, i think you re right, doing the wavetable re-synthesis is going to be the most popular way, especially for the embedded phase info and that subless note lol . 30 years ago i was using Init patch of S1000 which gives a very clean sine and layer that sub to a hi-passed bass. of course i was trying to adjust the phase by ear but i was unaware of so many issues...Yellow
Oh boy you've made the absolutely longest psy kick and bass video on the internet, with that yellow pillow in the background. People will probably benefit from that you knitted this into one packet so that it's easier to contextualize the bits and pieces. We're gonna have so much bass. Or, as the vocals conversation said in one classic psy track: "I don't know, I don't really know (if) I need all that bass" "Oh I think you need all that bass"
bro this is the most powerfull tut ever ❤, thx a lot now i think i will become patreot from u!!! i looked it 10 times and my brain is still cooking ❤❤❤😂
I learned a lot from your video. You just earned another subscriber. I have one question though. Do you think it's a smart idea to make the pitch shift of the kick stop before the first bass on the same note with the bass? So that both the kick and the bass are going to be in key?
i like to tune my kicks lower than the bass note, so you get some groove, maybe 1 or 2 semitones. Then I use the method of phase allignment without a sub
i really really appreciate your work and our time teaching us so many gems and secrets! Thank you very much! is it possible to get the hands on the track u didnt finished yet? This baseline is all i have dreamt of and it would be my pleasure using this as a yellow reference tracks....
Not so much YELLOW bellow ... But here is one! I have a suggestion on 1:35:46. When you import your wavetable on Serum, the sampling can be an issue (loosing definition on the high for example). I think you can improve it by going on the Oscillator Table Edit and click right --> Generate Saw. That way, it will generate a saw again with all the original definition and conserve the phase creation that you are looking for. Furthermore, the clicking part of the wavetable is no more at 0 dB. You can solve it too by tweaking the phase of the 2nd harmonic Oscillator Table Edit. Let me know if it is not a good idea because I use to do it. Anyway, congratulation for your Guide, it will definitely help people to get great Bass lines. Thanks
Ohh that's a great suggestion! Honestly I've been trying to get into the xfer private discord for a few days now but no luck yet. I have serum through splice so the normal link doesn't work... Anyway once I do get in I'll ask about this importing quality idea to see if and how it matters...
Projector i have one idea on upgrading the all in one patch , you can create another LFO and connect to the Noise OSC, make the random down, enable one shot mode, enable pitch tracking, move the pitch up to 46.00st, level down to 0, the new LFO need to look like this |```'''``\, to stop down on the right bottom on the grid , than go to Matrix put first the Noise OSC on ( -52) on OSC A Vol like this and assign to macro 2 , than under put Noise OSC (+17) on B Vol to macro 2 , this will allow you to manipulate the first transient on the sub and to shorten a bit to the grid , cheers
In the matrix, click the arrows so it's in one direction. There is also a keyboard shortcut, maybe alt + shift + click on the modulation, but i'm not 100% sure that's right...
thank you so much for releasing this for free, i will definently buy your tone and kick packs at some point ❤️ question: vitamin (plugin) is currently down about 75% and only around 35€.. is it enough to have this plugin and the default ableton audio effects + occular scope (im on mac) to perfectly mix and master your kick and bass?
Honestly you don't even need it. any multiband will do, including ableton's mutliband compressor but you might enjoy the vitamin workflow more, I can't determine that part for you...
Damn! It’s the best video lately, not for psy only! It’s works great for techno with rumble too!!! Thank you! Ps, tried to clean dot on screen twice, before realized that it’s on the wall =))
yeah I can't remove it cus the bed is suppose to be there so I need to hang things back on the wall when I leave this place... Thanks for the nice comment BTW!
Dude... @projektor_music your tutorials are supreme!!! Everything makes so much sense now! Thank you so much for posting these. Your tutorials have helped me make much better music during a rough time in my life.
I really appreciate your content ! I will dig your differents products :) Could you detail a little more how you configured your groups in the Ableton groups ? I can't seem to reproduce your configuration. Thank you !
Hey man, glad you like it. IDK exactly what you mean with: "your groups in the Ableton groups"... could you be a bit more specific or maybe drop a timestamp so I don't have to watch through this tutorial again to find what you mean?
@@Projektor_music Sorry for my question, it was awful ! Let's precise. In fact I need more details about your config for Psyscope (one instance on a group of audio tracks which are recieving the KICK and DRUMS). Do you need an instance on Kick and midi Bass too ? Furthermore, what do you think of the PsyPhaZ, PsyLab and TRK-01 (Native) plugins? Thank you so much !
@@AnthonyGrau So I use the free version of psyscope which has a main and 3 sidechain inputs. so you want your kick & bass go into psyscope in separate inputs. that's all the group is doing. For the other plugins you mentioned, I don't use them so I can't tell...
not exactly but I do have 2 products that you might be interested in. Projektor Psytrance Essentials vol. 3 contains my current bass patch (Sub-Shifter (Auto Sub Control)) and psychedelic Drumpack Vol. 1 contains 69 kicks rendered at several tempos that I use all the time. My other kick pack is not tempo synced but also very good! Also thanks for the compliments on the video! I appriciate it!
i was wondering about how the things could sound in a top down mix process, for instance instead of preparing the kick and bass from the yellow point about phase alignment, cleaniless, to the mix point, having a sketch of the kick & bass (solving only basic things such retire phase randomization), through the creation process, and then on the mix make the whole sound better and then going to the detailed parts, like kick & bass, that way the work can be done without worring about post-processing ...
could you clarify a bit more? In what way do you not have to worry about post processing? unless you resample & verify that the post processing doesn't cause issues, or cut them out if they do, it will be a problem. There is no scenario in which the post ringing you get from the typical processing done on a psytrance bassline is not a problem so IMO you always have to take care of it. If you mix top down that just means that the problem occurs sooner as you would start with the processing (right?) but it still occurs...
@@Projektor_music I expressed myself incorrectly. From what I understood from the video, the ideal would be to change the kick and bass as little as possible after synthesis to avoid phase changes and post-ringing, due to post processing, correct? My idea isn't about do not worrying about these problems, but starting to solve them from top to bottom, this way you'll be closer to the final result of the song (focusing on improving the whole instead of starting with the parts) and then when you go to solve the kick and bass phase issues you already will know the result that post-processing will cause in them
@@RafaelSantos_ OK then maybe I didn't express myself properly for that. You want some phase shift on the bass. also for the kick I highly doubt any kick will just immediately fit the track. the main point is that once those filters are added you need to verify the cleanlyness of the KB and if something is off you need to fix that also. There are workarounds like wavetable basslines but even there if you actually go and process the KB you should be aware of the phase issues that might come along with it. Honestly I never mix top down, always bottom up personally so IDK how it would work for top down. Just keep in mind the cleanlyness when you're mixing and you will be OK
I have drum generator in my DAW but I don't really understand what it is doing. It has knobs for controlling the click and knobs for controlling the bass. Yet, I had to guess what note it is playing and trust my ears and hope the tuner can catch the corect pitch of the bass.. So I might as well try the synth thing. For now I'm just using sampled kick or two.
Personally I think using samples is probably the best approach for kicks. Of course I have my own sample packs which I made so it's kinda like i'm both synthesizing my own kicks and using samples at the same time. Only i made the kicks in advance kinda...
you can do it either in the matrix, by making sure a parameter isn't set to the exact middle value when applying a modulation, or by (I believe, I don't recal shortcuts by buttons pressed but by mussle memory) alt, shift, left clicking on the modulation.
First off…Kudos, besides the section where you jumped from phase to phasing, great material information. However, I’d like to pose a question on the practical aspect of this. It seems to me that, either many people don’t know how to apply the kick-bass phase relationship or they’re pawning it off to the mastering engineer and would love your take on this. After countless hours and years of watching online tutorials (especially those start to finish ones), phase is so prevalently left out of discussion as to almost gate-keep this info; or just skipped over entirely and I am wondering if somewhere in the process did I miss it? Or as I previously mentioned left to the final engineer to fix? Is it possible to achieve your level of correction from the start at the end? Finally, I apologize if I may have missed as am new to the channel any special considerations when working from an analog start (let’s say a moog)
i think most people actually don't know this, most tutorials I see cover synthesis and processing and leave out the whole cleaning part cus the creator either thinks it's not important or they just don't know this issue. BTW this is not something your mastering engineer can fix or you, once the waveforms are summed together it's over. even in the mixing stage with seperate kick & bass channels is't much harder to clean up a bass than to do it at the end of the production. I think most psytrance producers are just the creative people who don't care about the tech & maths behind sounds & music, so they just listen... but your system fools you & your ears fool you too so I personally like the more technical approach!
@@Projektor_music Thanks for that, I’m siding with you, I had a mentor who would push me to remove all breaths on vocals. I spent countless hours zooming in on wave forms to ensure each breath was removed. However, I guess it’s to taste as is this (although I think your technical way of correction really does make a ton of sense.) I’m curious still if you have done this starting with an analog sound. I feel like the system could be the same, however I fear it won’t be as exact?
great video! one question though regarding the rolling bassline and the complexities there; do you think a kick of 1/16th length cannot provide enough punch?
While probably not strictly necessary, as it relates to sampling a bass note for wavetable generation, I (think? Could someone who actually understands basic math check my work?) I worked out how you would need to sample it to match the 2048 samples per wave cycle you mentioned that Serum uses for synthesis. I'm unsure as to the usefulness, but please humor my attempt, k? 🙂 If we stick to the C1 note you used in your example, C1 has a frequency of 32.7Hz. Inversely this equates to one cycle at C1 having a duration of 32.7ms. Sampling a single cycle isn't really practical so, to keep it easy I started from a sample length of one full second. To get the number of cycles per second at C1 we divide 1000ms by 32.7ms. This gives us 30.581 full cycles during a one second recording. You said that Serum samples each cycle 2048 times so if we wanted to achieve this sample rate over the duration of a one second recording of C1, we would need to record at a sampling rate of 62,629.969Hz (I think we can safely round that to 62,63kHz without it causing too many issues). My interface (and presumably yours as well) doesn't do weird sampling rates like that so to compensate, we can achieve the equivalent by recording at 96kHz for 1.5328 seconds (let's round off to 1.533 seconds so people don't get us confused with students of geodesics, who I hear get really, REALLY excited when they can increase the accuracy of their calculations by an additional decimal point). This should, in theory net us a recording where each cycle of C1 has been sampled 2048 times (or very close to it...if I didn't screw up somewhere which, is more likely than not that I did, but the method of calculation should be correct at least, even if a number/the numbers are wrong). I only recently got into psytrance production and this video in cross reference with others will be very helpful and I wanted to extend my thanks to you for taking the time to record such an in depth look at kick and bass production on a wholistic level. I hope my novice attempt at math isn't an insult, I was just curious how I'd need to record the initial note if I wanted the sampling to match Serum and thought there's a chance you might find it useful or, if nothing else, humorous if I botched it. Thanks again!
very interesting. I do agree though that it's probably not very usefull information. I run at 48Khz so in theory if I use C0 i'll be fine. remember that it's a bound, not an exact number. To that regard though, interpolation does exist so it will just interpolate whatever file you give it for the wavetable, you won't actually loose quality once the wavetable is made, it is just made from a less detailed sound source. I don't know what the impact is on the final quality of the sound but I think it will be negligible.
Should I phase allign the first note with PHA first then bounce down to a sample and then remove the low harmonics on it? Or do it the other way and just remove the low harmonic on first note without PHA an then bounce down to sample that can be put on first note and then have the two other notes in the baseline woth the low harmonic?🙏🏽😁
If you tend to remove the lower harmonic, what exactly will you be alligning? The point is that the lowest harmonic clashes with the kick and therefor need to be alligned so it can be properly mixed and doesn't cancel with the kick, if said harmonic doesn't exist there is nothing to allign. Also, unless you use linear phase filters, filtering will induce a phase shift on the other harmonics which might result in post ringing which you now have to deal with...
I notice there's like a white noise/hiss at the tail of my bassline. I'm not sure what is causing this but it's more noticeable when stereonizing my bass. It happens in mono too though. And this happens as soon as I modulate the low pass filter on the main filter of serum. Playing with the phase knob of the oscillator also changes the sound of this noise. Any way to get rid of that white noise/hiss or is that just an side effect of modulating a saw wave?
euh that's a strange (and hard) problem to diagnose. Are you using LFO's for the modulation? in that case what might be happening is that you didn't set them to envelope mode and the LFO loops during the release stage, which can cause some clicks & pops (not actual noise though)...
You can use Kick2 if you want, or any other dedicated kick synth for that matter, but I've found that serum works well for me. I don't make kicks for each project through. I've made kick sample packs in separate sessions and just use those for my tracks.
@@karanaima You can use whatever you like. Psychedelic Trance allows for any and all conventions to be broken besides the following.. The result needs to be : a) "Danceable" & (somewhat) repetitive (Trance) b) Trippy (psychedelic)
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You, Dash Glitch, and E-Clip are some absolute gems for producers in this genre(s). Thank you.
this! 👽🤌
Three absolute legends!
You can tell that they genuinely want to help, I mean this kick and bass guide here is light years ahead of any 'paid for' masterclass I've purchased in the past.
True. This guys are legendaries when we talk about teaching the art. Thanks so much
Thanks man! I'm glad the content is helpful!
Absolutely igree, the best masters for make Psytrance I follow all them❤❤❤❤
I just CANNOT believe that you uploaded this one for free!!! Was going to sub to your patreon to see this but now you got a new sub and a shit ton of respect my man. This is probably the most in depth guide to the topic at the date and the community owes you my man. Have a great holiday
Thank you so much! The support means the world to me!
I love the last example of groovy kick n bass
I don't even produce Psy-Trance, but needed an in depth rundown of all things phase. This is a blessing. It's insane a lot of other genres just glance over that
I'm glad I can still help!
I finally understand what the phase is, thank you
ahah glad I could help!
As if the Yellow sun is rising again. probably the best video i've seen for a production topic, and the concepts can be applied to so much music. This gave me a fundamental and essential understanding of Kick & Bass, on a level of detail I'd only expect in a college course. This feels like a the key to this genre has been unlocked for me. I appreciate you so much my friend.
I'm glad you liked the video & that it helped so much!
My friend what are thoughts on the use of sidechaining, is that more of a mixing item?@@Projektor_music
@@boardbax I don't have to sidechain my kick & bass because of the velocity. in essence the velocity replaces the sidechaining and achieves nearly the same effect, only the whole note gets turned down. if you use sidechaining towards the end of the note it becomes louder (bacause the curve has to go up for the next note). I don't like that effect.
I spent so much money on something that didn't work for me at all and then I found your video and I couldn't believe that such important information could be free, thank you very much for this
I'm glad I'm able to help my friend!
Your process for synthesis bass is the best.
Thanks man!
This is not just helpful for Psy Trance but for all other related genres too. I would highly recommend everyone to watch this video and take notes!
Thanks man! Glad you like it!
Dude.. it is criminal you only have 200 monthly listeners, your shit is too dope.
Thanks man! Glad you like it!
(Sorry for my english) 🇫🇷
Thanks for you advice, as beginner/intermediate producer, I recently discover your channel and you make amazing tutorial ,I love use some psytrance element on my hard techno track like the famous kick bass rolling and your videos are very interresting to understand how it does work and that very helpful ! You give a good detail to progress and try to perfect sound. Again thanks you and i stay tune for futur video 🤘
1 year again he has updated! thanks a lot man
you're welcome brother!
Cool yellow pillows. Thank you for the wisdom, Psytrance Wizard.
Thanks, apperently they are from IKEA but I just got them with the appartment...
Thank you so much for putting this out for free Nobody does that thank you very much for that
You're welcome! glad you like it!
Excellent job! This is a really useful and informative video.
Thanks!
Your videos are simply amazing & I need to say that you're a very good teacher. I often have problems staying motivated in the beginning stages of learning a new skill and that's why I tend to be discouraged when watching other psytrance-bloggers - their videos are good, but sometimes very complicated and thus not easily accessible for beginners. In contrast, you explain everything very well & in a very logical manner that everything makes sense (even to me as a production amateur). Really enjoy watching your videos, hope you will continue doing what you do!
Thanks man! I'm glad my videos help you!
Awesome in depth video on the kick and bass relationship. I learned heaps of sound design tips and tricks. Thanks for the effort you put into making this 💛
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incredible work dude, thx for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks man! glad you enjoyed!
you're the best! and the yellow pillows are really nice bro :)
Glad you like them & glad you like the tutorial too!
This is probably the best sound design tutorial out there. You deserve way more subscribers.
Thanks man! Slowly we're getting there ahah!
Thank you much for this video! I really appreciate, there is so much to learn about kick and bass processing that my head is almost turning yellow. But you covered a lot and that will help future producers a LOT!
Thanks man! Glad to hear you like it!
Dude thank you for sharing your time and knowledge with us. The way that you approach topics and your instructions are on academic level.
Thanks man! I'm glad my content is helpful!
Well done for the extended tutorial.
Thanks man!
Awesome video dude - really appreciate it 👍
Thanks man!
Much love and appreciation for the hard work as always. Keen as for this one!
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This is pure gold thanks for this man!!!
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Wow, thanks you so much my man.
Really appreciate it. As a teacher I can say the tutorial seems well built and structured.
Glad I could help & that you like my teaching style!
Super interesting topic mate!! And wow, more than 3 hours and not wasting a minute. Well played mate! (Love your "yellow" pillows) 💛
thanks man! I'm glad you enjoy it!
Yellow. Wacthed it. Very helpful. Ill watch it again and put
into practice.
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yellow yellow yellow your videos are crazy explanatory. its on another level. Thank you!
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What an amazing lecture! The best Psytrance bass+kick tutorial I've seen so far 😍 I am about to release my first psy-trance tracks, and your tips help me a lot to double-check if everything is fine and improve the quality of my music in further work. All the advice I've been collecting from the different videos is now in one place. It's just amazing! Thanks a lot!
Thanks man! I'm glad I could help!
Thank you a lot for this guide. It's really detailed and structured. I did try some synthesis out myself already and watched other guides, I feel that this guide finally nailed down the fundamentals for me.
Thanks man! glad you like it!
Thanks for all the work man!
you're welcome!
Dude thanks a lot for this, it solved a lot of phase problems I wasn’t aware of while producing, much love ❤
you're welcome! glad you enjoyed it & hope it improves your productions...
Yeah it is really instructive and clear, I am a house music producer and I wasn’t really aware of the phase shifting that effects, processes are creating even my mixes looked clean. My tracks weren’t translating in the master as I wanted. Looking for ways for solving mix issues found your channel. Keep the good work coming man this one hits the mark! My humble opinion is you can maybe try to make some tutorials for broader range of genres to get more audiences. I think you deserve the best! Cheers 🫶🏻
@@selimylmaz3767 Thanks man! Glad you like the content!
Thank you so much! This really helped me breaking through a plateau
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the most complete psytrance kick and bass tutorial in youtube , excellent job , very detailed explanation , thanks dear projektor 🥰 in continuation of this tutorial would you please make a tutorial about changing bass notes like in progressive psytrance style ? like playing in 4 different notes in a song , thanks 💋
Thanks man! Glad it is helpful. There is not much more to add in regards to making basses for multiple notes, you just have to either make a wavetable patch or resample multiple times...
thanks for reply , i tried them but in many cases when you move to different note the fundamentals of kick and bass clash , when this happens what is your advise ? which one is important to keep kick or bass fundamental ? another issue is that when you move to other note (mostly the higher notes) bass loses its power , although it has same dynamic range and vol. level and suddenly you feel like energy drop in mix , @@Projektor_music
@@masoodkhodayi in that case I'd go for the second method of phase allignment explained in the video, where you remove the bass and allign the kick to the transient of the bass. For the second problem, yeah that's what happens at different pitches. it's the sacrifice one makes for a melodic bassline. Part of this effect might have to do with your listening enviromnent though...
Kudos to you. Very thorough and informative. Was a pleasure to watch.
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This was amazing. Thank you! 🙌🙌🙌
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Absolutely monumental work. Thank you.
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I'll get back to your live feedback stream as soon as I have metabolized this monster ahahah @@Projektor_music
i am on minute 50:00 and i am loving the video, great work !!
Thanks I'm glad you like it!
unreal! thank you so much for your time, effort and not least "no bullshit knowledge" of the subject matter. This was a YELLOW one for me and will be again and again for reference. thank you
Thanks man! Glad the entire video was helpful!
great guide, i think you re right, doing the wavetable re-synthesis is going to be the most popular way, especially for the embedded phase info and that subless note lol . 30 years ago i was using Init patch of S1000 which gives a very clean sine and layer that sub to a hi-passed bass. of course i was trying to adjust the phase by ear but i was unaware of so many issues...Yellow
yeah there is a lot of interesting things you can do with the wavetable part... More to come on that soon...
Oh boy you've made the absolutely longest psy kick and bass video on the internet, with that yellow pillow in the background. People will probably benefit from that you knitted this into one packet so that it's easier to contextualize the bits and pieces. We're gonna have so much bass. Or, as the vocals conversation said in one classic psy track:
"I don't know, I don't really know (if) I need all that bass"
"Oh I think you need all that bass"
true, the point of this video is to answer basically everything so I can link it to anyone having issues with their kick & bass!
thank you REALLY much for doing all of this, you are god for all of us, people who want to master bass synthesis. keep going man💪🏽
Thanks man! Will do!
Amazing explanations, thank you.
I'm glad you like it!
Great vidéo 🫠
Thanks man!
Thank you for sharing this, amazing content. And I am sure a lot of us watched fully. :)
I hope you will ahah! Thanks for the compliments!
bro this is the most powerfull tut ever ❤, thx a lot now i think i will become patreot from u!!!
i looked it 10 times and my brain is still cooking ❤❤❤😂
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Dude this is overwhelming of information but thank u very much 🙏
you're welcome!
Amazing job! Thank you so so much for sharing your knowledge 🙏
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Dude, that tutorial is mindblowing nice explained. Very big fuqqin nice THANKS goes out :)
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed this one!
I learned a lot from your video. You just earned another subscriber. I have one question though. Do you think it's a smart idea to make the pitch shift of the kick stop before the first bass on the same note with the bass? So that both the kick and the bass are going to be in key?
i like to tune my kicks lower than the bass note, so you get some groove, maybe 1 or 2 semitones. Then I use the method of phase allignment without a sub
@@Projektor_music For me it looks like a very interesting technic. I only ever used the same key really. I'll keep that it mind. Thanks.:)
@@Projektor_music Oh and I almost forgot to say yellow :)
Thank you!
You're welcome! glad you enjoyed!
BeastMode 💪💪💪💪
You are the best! Im going to send you my song which you fucking upgraded! Thanks means a lot!
i really really appreciate your work and our time teaching us so many gems and secrets! Thank you very much! is it possible to get the hands on the track u didnt finished yet? This baseline is all i have dreamt of and it would be my pleasure using this as a yellow reference tracks....
Unfortunately I don't give projects away like that sorry...
@@Projektor_music understandable, it was worth trying 😅
Not so much YELLOW bellow ... But here is one!
I have a suggestion on 1:35:46. When you import your wavetable on Serum, the sampling can be an issue (loosing definition on the high for example). I think you can improve it by going on the Oscillator Table Edit and click right --> Generate Saw. That way, it will generate a saw again with all the original definition and conserve the phase creation that you are looking for. Furthermore, the clicking part of the wavetable is no more at 0 dB. You can solve it too by tweaking the phase of the 2nd harmonic Oscillator Table Edit. Let me know if it is not a good idea because I use to do it.
Anyway, congratulation for your Guide, it will definitely help people to get great Bass lines. Thanks
Ohh that's a great suggestion! Honestly I've been trying to get into the xfer private discord for a few days now but no luck yet. I have serum through splice so the normal link doesn't work... Anyway once I do get in I'll ask about this importing quality idea to see if and how it matters...
Tell me you are not Dutch, love the accent and thanks a lot!!!!
I am...
brilliant!
Thanks mate!
Danke!
Thanks for the support man! I really appriciate it!
This is some great content mate 👌 yellow
Thanks man! glad you enjoyed all of it :)
this video is my secret weapon to join the likes of CARV in the psytrance hardtechno scene, i wonder if he also learned it from you
thanks! I'm gladd you like it!
amazing bro I appreciate this very much :)
Thanks man! I'm glad you enjoy this one! took a lot of time to make!
Projector i have one idea on upgrading the all in one patch , you can create another LFO and connect to the Noise OSC, make the random down, enable one shot mode, enable pitch tracking, move the pitch up to 46.00st, level down to 0, the new LFO need to look like this |```'''``\, to stop down on the right bottom on the grid , than go to Matrix put first the Noise OSC on ( -52) on OSC A Vol like this and assign to macro 2 , than under put Noise OSC (+17) on B Vol to macro 2 , this will allow you to manipulate the first transient on the sub and to shorten a bit to the grid , cheers
you're a little hard to follow, mind elaborating in my discord server?
Best quote at 27:45 . You killed me with that brother. eheheheh I love this guy
ahah lol I knew that would get some people
hello! how can I move the coarse pitch in one direction? you mentioned but I don't know how to do it. thanks & respect
In the matrix, click the arrows so it's in one direction. There is also a keyboard shortcut, maybe alt + shift + click on the modulation, but i'm not 100% sure that's right...
Speaking great english my Dutch friend!
Thanks man! I've been living outside of the netherlands for 11 years now so I rely a lot more on english than most!
very nice made thank you (yellow)
glad you like the whole thing!
thank you so much for releasing this for free, i will definently buy your tone and kick packs at some point ❤️
question: vitamin (plugin) is currently down about 75% and only around 35€.. is it enough to have this plugin and the default ableton audio effects + occular scope (im on mac) to perfectly mix and master your kick and bass?
Honestly you don't even need it. any multiband will do, including ableton's mutliband compressor but you might enjoy the vitamin workflow more, I can't determine that part for you...
@@Projektor_music do you use vitamin in other ways?
@@thunderdragondome not really...
@@thunderdragondome but you definitly can... just becaue I do certain things a way don't mean you have to...
@@Projektor_music cool, thanks for your help 😃
Damn! It’s the best video lately, not for psy only! It’s works great for techno with rumble too!!! Thank you!
Ps, tried to clean dot on screen twice, before realized that it’s on the wall =))
yeah I can't remove it cus the bed is suppose to be there so I need to hang things back on the wall when I leave this place... Thanks for the nice comment BTW!
I like the yellow pillows
Thanks!
Dude... @projektor_music your tutorials are supreme!!! Everything makes so much sense now! Thank you so much for posting these. Your tutorials have helped me make much better music during a rough time in my life.
I'm glad to help! Thanks for the kind words and I hope you get to feel better!
@@Projektor_music thank you for the reply! Just keep making awesome tutorials please! Maybe one day I can release some finished music
I really appreciate your content ! I will dig your differents products :)
Could you detail a little more how you configured your groups in the Ableton groups ? I can't seem to reproduce your configuration.
Thank you !
Hey man, glad you like it. IDK exactly what you mean with: "your groups in the Ableton groups"... could you be a bit more specific or maybe drop a timestamp so I don't have to watch through this tutorial again to find what you mean?
@@Projektor_music Sorry for my question, it was awful ! Let's precise.
In fact I need more details about your config for Psyscope (one instance on a group of audio tracks which are recieving the KICK and DRUMS). Do you need an instance on Kick and midi Bass too ?
Furthermore, what do you think of the PsyPhaZ, PsyLab and TRK-01 (Native) plugins?
Thank you so much !
@@AnthonyGrau So I use the free version of psyscope which has a main and 3 sidechain inputs. so you want your kick & bass go into psyscope in separate inputs. that's all the group is doing. For the other plugins you mentioned, I don't use them so I can't tell...
@@Projektor_music Thank you.
Great Video. Do you offer Kick and dialed in, matching Bass combo sample packs on your site? Or have Melody playable wavetable Basses for Serum?
not exactly but I do have 2 products that you might be interested in. Projektor Psytrance Essentials vol. 3 contains my current bass patch (Sub-Shifter (Auto Sub Control)) and psychedelic Drumpack Vol. 1 contains 69 kicks rendered at several tempos that I use all the time. My other kick pack is not tempo synced but also very good! Also thanks for the compliments on the video! I appriciate it!
Thank you. I‘ll check it out!
I appriciate the support man!@@mikeg4829
Thank u
you're welcome!
i was wondering about how the things could sound in a top down mix process, for instance
instead of preparing the kick and bass from the yellow point about phase alignment, cleaniless, to the mix point, having a sketch of the kick & bass (solving only basic things such retire phase randomization), through the creation process, and then on the mix make the whole sound better and then going to the detailed parts, like kick & bass, that way the work can be done without worring about post-processing ...
could you clarify a bit more? In what way do you not have to worry about post processing? unless you resample & verify that the post processing doesn't cause issues, or cut them out if they do, it will be a problem. There is no scenario in which the post ringing you get from the typical processing done on a psytrance bassline is not a problem so IMO you always have to take care of it. If you mix top down that just means that the problem occurs sooner as you would start with the processing (right?) but it still occurs...
@@Projektor_music I expressed myself incorrectly.
From what I understood from the video,
the ideal would be to change the kick and bass as little as possible after synthesis to avoid phase changes and post-ringing, due to post processing, correct?
My idea isn't about do not worrying about these problems, but starting to solve them from top to bottom, this way you'll be closer to the final result of the song (focusing on improving the whole instead of starting with the parts) and then when you go to solve the kick and bass phase issues you already will know the result that post-processing will cause in them
@@RafaelSantos_ OK then maybe I didn't express myself properly for that. You want some phase shift on the bass. also for the kick I highly doubt any kick will just immediately fit the track. the main point is that once those filters are added you need to verify the cleanlyness of the KB and if something is off you need to fix that also. There are workarounds like wavetable basslines but even there if you actually go and process the KB you should be aware of the phase issues that might come along with it. Honestly I never mix top down, always bottom up personally so IDK how it would work for top down. Just keep in mind the cleanlyness when you're mixing and you will be OK
I have drum generator in my DAW but I don't really understand what it is doing. It has knobs for controlling the click and knobs for controlling the bass. Yet, I had to guess what note it is playing and trust my ears and hope the tuner can catch the corect pitch of the bass.. So I might as well try the synth thing. For now I'm just using sampled kick or two.
Personally I think using samples is probably the best approach for kicks. Of course I have my own sample packs which I made so it's kinda like i'm both synthesizing my own kicks and using samples at the same time. Only i made the kicks in advance kinda...
Yellow 😁
Hey! Nice video, thank you! I'm having problems to make the LFO 1 onedrirectional. How do you made it?
you can do it either in the matrix, by making sure a parameter isn't set to the exact middle value when applying a modulation, or by (I believe, I don't recal shortcuts by buttons pressed but by mussle memory) alt, shift, left clicking on the modulation.
Yelow bro , i watched entire video this time 😅🎉
Legend!
First off…Kudos, besides the section where you jumped from phase to phasing, great material information.
However, I’d like to pose a question on the practical aspect of this. It seems to me that, either many people don’t know how to apply the kick-bass phase relationship or they’re pawning it off to the mastering engineer and would love your take on this.
After countless hours and years of watching online tutorials (especially those start to finish ones), phase is so prevalently left out of discussion as to almost gate-keep this info; or just skipped over entirely and I am wondering if somewhere in the process did I miss it? Or as I previously mentioned left to the final engineer to fix?
Is it possible to achieve your level of correction from the start at the end?
Finally, I apologize if I may have missed as am new to the channel any special considerations when working from an analog start (let’s say a moog)
i think most people actually don't know this, most tutorials I see cover synthesis and processing and leave out the whole cleaning part cus the creator either thinks it's not important or they just don't know this issue. BTW this is not something your mastering engineer can fix or you, once the waveforms are summed together it's over. even in the mixing stage with seperate kick & bass channels is't much harder to clean up a bass than to do it at the end of the production. I think most psytrance producers are just the creative people who don't care about the tech & maths behind sounds & music, so they just listen... but your system fools you & your ears fool you too so I personally like the more technical approach!
@@Projektor_music Thanks for that, I’m siding with you, I had a mentor who would push me to remove all breaths on vocals. I spent countless hours zooming in on wave forms to ensure each breath was removed. However, I guess it’s to taste as is this (although I think your technical way of correction really does make a ton of sense.)
I’m curious still if you have done this starting with an analog sound. I feel like the system could be the same, however I fear it won’t be as exact?
@@DJJOSEPHLEITE I have no experience with analog stuff so I have no idea...
great video! one question though regarding the rolling bassline and the complexities there; do you think a kick of 1/16th length cannot provide enough punch?
Depends, for this full-on/progressive style no but for other genres like hi-tech it is often done for a more uniform rhythm
epic!
Thanks man!
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While probably not strictly necessary, as it relates to sampling a bass note for wavetable generation, I (think? Could someone who actually understands basic math check my work?) I worked out how you would need to sample it to match the 2048 samples per wave cycle you mentioned that Serum uses for synthesis. I'm unsure as to the usefulness, but please humor my attempt, k? 🙂
If we stick to the C1 note you used in your example, C1 has a frequency of 32.7Hz. Inversely this equates to one cycle at C1 having a duration of 32.7ms. Sampling a single cycle isn't really practical so, to keep it easy I started from a sample length of one full second. To get the number of cycles per second at C1 we divide 1000ms by 32.7ms. This gives us 30.581 full cycles during a one second recording.
You said that Serum samples each cycle 2048 times so if we wanted to achieve this sample rate over the duration of a one second recording of C1, we would need to record at a sampling rate of 62,629.969Hz (I think we can safely round that to 62,63kHz without it causing too many issues). My interface (and presumably yours as well) doesn't do weird sampling rates like that so to compensate, we can achieve the equivalent by recording at 96kHz for 1.5328 seconds (let's round off to 1.533 seconds so people don't get us confused with students of geodesics, who I hear get really, REALLY excited when they can increase the accuracy of their calculations by an additional decimal point).
This should, in theory net us a recording where each cycle of C1 has been sampled 2048 times (or very close to it...if I didn't screw up somewhere which, is more likely than not that I did, but the method of calculation should be correct at least, even if a number/the numbers are wrong).
I only recently got into psytrance production and this video in cross reference with others will be very helpful and I wanted to extend my thanks to you for taking the time to record such an in depth look at kick and bass production on a wholistic level. I hope my novice attempt at math isn't an insult, I was just curious how I'd need to record the initial note if I wanted the sampling to match Serum and thought there's a chance you might find it useful or, if nothing else, humorous if I botched it.
Thanks again!
very interesting. I do agree though that it's probably not very usefull information. I run at 48Khz so in theory if I use C0 i'll be fine. remember that it's a bound, not an exact number. To that regard though, interpolation does exist so it will just interpolate whatever file you give it for the wavetable, you won't actually loose quality once the wavetable is made, it is just made from a less detailed sound source. I don't know what the impact is on the final quality of the sound but I think it will be negligible.
Does anyone know a good alternative for psyscope for MAC?
Oh hey. I love you. That is all.
Should I phase allign the first note with PHA first then bounce down to a sample and then remove the low harmonics on it? Or do it the other way and just remove the low harmonic on first note without PHA an then bounce down to sample that can be put on first note and then have the two other notes in the baseline woth the low harmonic?🙏🏽😁
If you tend to remove the lower harmonic, what exactly will you be alligning? The point is that the lowest harmonic clashes with the kick and therefor need to be alligned so it can be properly mixed and doesn't cancel with the kick, if said harmonic doesn't exist there is nothing to allign. Also, unless you use linear phase filters, filtering will induce a phase shift on the other harmonics which might result in post ringing which you now have to deal with...
I understand😁🙏🏽 thank you!😁✌🏽
@@localeyemusic187 glad to help!
yellow :)
I notice there's like a white noise/hiss at the tail of my bassline. I'm not sure what is causing this but it's more noticeable when stereonizing my bass. It happens in mono too though. And this happens as soon as I modulate the low pass filter on the main filter of serum. Playing with the phase knob of the oscillator also changes the sound of this noise. Any way to get rid of that white noise/hiss or is that just an side effect of modulating a saw wave?
euh that's a strange (and hard) problem to diagnose. Are you using LFO's for the modulation? in that case what might be happening is that you didn't set them to envelope mode and the LFO loops during the release stage, which can cause some clicks & pops (not actual noise though)...
How do you make it one directional though?
this is a 3 hour video, you are gonna need to explain what you mean by "it"...
Using Serum for kick is torture, why not use Kick2 ?
You can use Kick2 if you want, or any other dedicated kick synth for that matter, but I've found that serum works well for me. I don't make kicks for each project through. I've made kick sample packs in separate sessions and just use those for my tracks.
@@Projektor_music no problem bro, amazing video tho 🙏
Where are you from?
originally dutch but I've been living in italy for 10+ years now!
Dude, im willling to pay good money for this, like 50$ at least, this shouldn't be free
well it is lol. You can always support me on patreon if you want!
Yellow
nice! glad you enjoyed!
I wonder if you could use a kick that isn't symmetrical over time, like a jersey kick
Because jersey club is dance music and psy trance also is so what if
@@karanaima You can use whatever you like.
Psychedelic Trance allows for any and all conventions to be broken besides the following..
The result needs to be :
a) "Danceable" & (somewhat) repetitive (Trance)
b) Trippy (psychedelic)
maybe, I never do that, I like a clean punchy sine!
@@Projektor_music Oldskool GOA (late 90s) had quite a few tracks with Square kicks if my memory serves me well.
thank you for this! have a nice hollyday!
Thanks man! I did have a nice holiday!
Thank you.
You're welcome!