My friend works at Tatsu and he's pretty close with the maintenance guys. He says that besides staffing, another reason they don't like to run Side 2 at Tatsu is because it gives more errors than Side 1. Personally, I think that has to do with when Tatsu's computer caught fire in 2021. I remember that day. It was back when I still worked at the park. I was taking my Revolution certification test and all of a sudden there was a big commotion with the supervisors and a lot of talk about Tatsu on the radios. Obviously, staffing is another big issue there but for that and for Superman, they are plagued with lots of maintenance problems
Not a coaster, but would love if they rethemed Crazanity to Joker and put in a funhouse queue like Fiesta Texas, since it’s sitting in the middle of all the DC character rides anyways.
During my recent visit the operators were trying hard, guests are just far too slow and don’t get the concept. One of my rides we actually almost got it were only off by like 2 seconds.
The issue my partner and I both had with Riddler's Revenge was not the "standing up" part. My head kept getting bashed around against the padded over the shoulder restraints. We rode it a few times in a row until he needed to stop because he was getting a bad headache.
S&S should get the rights to the inverted swing coaster, so ninja can finally have the layout that you want. Which I would love to see a left turning downward helix and a right turning downward helix in the layout.
I do agree about Viper. The last time I rode it was back in 2009 and my head was playing pinball between those restraints. I swear that ride cleared out my sinuses because my nose was constantly running throughout the rest of the day. Tatsu is the big reason why I have to wear a good sports bra almost every time I go to Magic Mountain. It seriously isn't the most comfortable when you are on the break run laying on your chest. I'm OK with the shoulder restraints on Superman. They are there to keep riders safe and secure on the ride, and I don't think Six Flags wants to get into hot water with CAL/OSHA over it. Maybe instead of just going to a lap bar on the backwards side, maybe consider vest restraints like the ones on Riddler Revenge at Six Flags New England.
I 100% agree with getting rid of those comfort collars. I don't think these are much of an issue for shorter riders, but since I'm 6'1, those things really ruin whatever ride I'm on, and I know people around my height also really don't like these. I know it sounds like a petty fix, but it would definitely improve the experience for a lot of people.
Hell nah it is horrible when shorter. I am 5’8 and it headbangs unless you hold it awkwardly down the whole time. The track is smooth as full throttle, but yet it managed to be the third most uncomfortable ride in the park for people tall enough for neck slaps or short enough for ear slaps. Makes me dislike the awesome High five element purely based on the collars (X2 is first or second based on seat, and riddler swaps based on x2. Comfort collars are just a horribly flawed design that the gp dislikes as much as thusies. They only benefit the insurance rates of a park in my opinion
No, when you are short, they also hurt. When I first rode ice breaker the year it opened, I was not even 5 foot yet, and it HURT. Back, they rattled around your ears and head, or forward, it really rubbed against your neck.
I’m 5’1 and I despise comfort collars. I rode Ice Breaker, before the collars were removed, and Tigris at BGT, and they were both one and done for me. I couldn’t enjoy the them because I spent the entire ride trying to hold the collars down to keep them from chopping me in the neck and ears.
1:40 There is an easy extension possible with just simply extending out the brake run track U-turn by ~15-25ft. The buffer wall to the path is ~20ft thick. They could shrink this down and add better sound damping. Also possible to bump out the buffer wall and relocate that candy store to keep the path wide enough. Any distance extended would also add that much on the other side the U-turn for some brakes as well, you get double the extension in track length, would be enough to at least get the brakes off of the drop.
Just a proper drop at the end would make Full Throttle so much nicer. Give it a small spike to eat the speed and switch track to go around the spike, just like Batman Gotham City Escape.
They should definitely add a holding brake at the end of green track on twisted colossus. I've always wondered why they left it in the guest's hands to decide whether or not the ride would duel.
My fantasy for Superman is to modernize the launch so it actually hits 100 mph, and actually goes up to the 400 foot mark. Work with Zamperla or Intamin to get it done.
Definitely, but these days I've seen it get up to about 390 feet which is pretty dang close, even in the video he showed of it, it goes up there for sure on the right side
Another option for Goliath would be to add something before the mid course break run. It has so much speed you could probably slap a nice big upward helix right on to the support structure. It would complement the one in the spaghetti section too!
What I want for Goliath at Magic Mountain,(and Titan at Six Flags Over Texas) is for B&M to update the layout. It's probably fantasy but it would cool.🙂
Definitely in agreement on Viper. Just needs a touch of TLC, new trains would do wonders for it. Goliath: I'd add height to change the drop angle to make it steeper. If not that, fix the trim and make it closer to what it was when it opened and was more insane. Scream needs theming. Badly. Wonder Woman, since I don't really have an issue with the restraints, I'd also add theming to it to create some head-chopper moments. Gold Rusher: Build a mine themed tunnel over the final helix. Full Throttle: Just finish building the ride. Twisted Colossus: I would extend the back half of the layout, because A.) It's a fun ride and I'd love more of it, and B.) it would give more time to load the next train for a guaranteed duel. Barring that, I agree with you that stopping the train is the best option.
i felt so seen at that x2 improvement!! very recently got over my fear of intense rollercoasters and have become admittedly obsessed with x2, but it DESTROYED my calves in a triple punch and i remember how shocking it was, i thought i somehow did something wrong cause surely a coaster wouldn't hurt! anyways, super fun video, been loving your channel as my favorite gateway to this new interest of mine!
Ice Breaker had its comfort collars removed because children under 54" were hitting their heads on the buckle. This issue doesn't apply to the other Premier Skyrockets that have a 54" height requirement.
And the complaints when the 54” requirement happened as they were making it a family coaster, so much that Penguin Trek has its Height Requirement as a selling point.
Really great video, and I was surprised by how frequently my opinion matched up with yours (especially on Full Throttle). This would be a great series for other parks with 12+ coasters. If you want to do Great Adventure, I've got some ideas.
I agree with the Revolution. Lose the trim brakes. I went on it as my first coaster a few weeks after it opened, and it had none. It was considered a "White Knuckler" at the time, and that last helix was one of the best parts of the ride.
On X2 I ALWAYS ride with my feet up on the seat like I'm crouching. Completely eliminates all the leg banging that makes the ride hurt. Still get some head banging but not much you can do about that.
The thing I would say for X2 is just make sure the effects and music are consistently working. If I was to give it a major refurb, just reprofile the whole ride and retrack it to have smoother rotations like Eejanaika or Dinoconda.
I love Magic, I have so many great memories working here circa 2001 to 2003 and since all the ride operators were my classmates, i had unlimited fast lane coming through the exit... ahhh i even remember one time our supervisor left us right at goliath when the park had 10 minutes left to open and we RAN all the way to X to be the first ones on!!, great times. I really hope they can add one bad ass Giga before I leave this Earth.
@@AirtimeThrills lmao when i tell i got to ride batman 15 times one day 🤣🤣🤣, in 2003ish 4 they cracked down hard on us doing that if i remember correctly. *sighs* Magic Mountain will always be my Disneyland.
yuuuuuo holding the train for twisted Colossus is such a no brainer. been wishing for that since before the ride opened. That animation showed the lift hill speeds would adjust & Im like... yeah but things wont always go smoothly.. Maybe even easier to program... Have it stop on the chain lift based and start based on a sensor
The reason Superman has OTSR's is because of the backwards launch. If it overshoots the brakes (like if there was a power outage) the LSM stators would act as weak eddy current brakes. It has a fixed set of much more powerful eddy current brakes past the station that will stop it really abruptly if it does this. They don't want people getting thrown forward, so they have those. They could probably take them off on the forwards side. I don't really see much of a problem with them though, because they basically act as lap bars as the track is straight and the shoulder harnesses don't even touch your shoulders. Great video!
That Helix on Revolution used to be fast. But people started to complain. I would love to see it go faster like it used to. I rode this in 1976 and it was fast. I was 15 then.
Here’s my ideas, for what Full Throttle needs to be much longer! Where after the hill on top of the loop, it will have these inversions and elements. They are A Big Double Downward Helix or Carousel Turn to the right, That goes over the buildings that contain High Octane Wings, Live Life Gear and Loaded Dogs. Top portion is a little over banked. A huge 720 Zero-G Roll. A Big Double Upward Helix to the left. Top portion is also a little over banked. Then a Custom Inversion. That uses a Dive Loop, a Right Turning Overbanked Curve, a Zero-G Roll, a Left Turning Over Banked Turn, and a Immelmann loop. I call the Interlocking Norwegian Loop. A Right Angled Loop Finally a Immelman Loop into the Break Run.
I agree on Goliath and I'd add height so that the drop itself had a more peaked profile and that'd give you more airtime and speed. Plus I'd take that turn around and bank it outward. With the extra speed from the talked drop that turnaround become an airtime moment and possibly a very good one. Full Throttle: you're 100%. I have nothing to add. Superman: here's my fantasy. Make it a flying coaster and you launch out then do a fly to lie and climb up the tower. X2: make it smooth always Scream: Lansdscaping Riddler's Revenge: 100% agree. Sitdown loopers are fun. Viper: Vekoma trains FTW.
Making the drop on Goliath steeper is really the only thing it would need if you ask me, save for adding another helix like Titan has. Titan is my favorite ride at Over Texas for its sheer positives, but like Goliath, the drop is underwhelming. So that's really where I say it needs improvement for sure.
Lol when apocalypse is running at its intended speed, the ending is elite, much stronger finish than Renegade. Got to experience that at fright fest 2010 and if it always ran like that it'd be a 9/10 ride
Love your stuff @Airtime Thrills! I just want to say on the Bat Clone: My one fix is to take the trains and make it so the first few rows go forwards and the last few go backwards. I rode it backwards once at MM, and it's a MUCH better ride in reverse!!!
Changing the end of Ninja would be highly improbable, but what about throwing some Vekoma family suspended coaster trains on there? That would be awesome over that terrain!!!!!
Really enjoy your videos, especially this one! One fantasy fix for the end of Ninja I've always proposed would be to beef up the final lift motor and speed it up. Also never really hear much about Magic Flyer, looks like a mall food court coaster. I wonder if the height restraint is due to weight, that train looks seriously precarious for flat lats. I have no doubt it can safely handle a train of adults, the wear and tear on the physical system probably rises exponentially with heavier loads
Holding the train on the left will reduce capacity, while I think they need a seat tester in front to improve operations and they also need new rmc trains and also add a 4th train to that too
I have an idea for a video- Favorite coaster at each Cedar Fair park and what you would change about it. I think these types of videos could be a series
Could add a higher speed lift to Goliath or a mini-LSM boost the top of the drop to get a little air time there, this would also make the air time hill have actual floater+ every time.
For X2, they should turn the seats around on one side of the train. So half facing forward, and half facing backward. Two completely different ride experiences.
Honestly I think if X2 had some kind of leg restraint like a flying coaster that would hold your legs against the train, that wacking of the calfs wouldn't be nearly as bad. That is the one painful part of the coaster for me too because my legs swing back and forth against the train.
Having TC stop at the bottom of the lift hill would be a hit to throughput. I could see MM implementing a mandatory locker thing if they really wanted to push the dueling aspect.
Youre so dumb and stupid. Why should they tear it out? its not a bad roller coaster, its probably in the middle tear, the only issue is that it can kinda give a headache after, and that its in a middle of a parking lot with no theme and the only scenery really is the parking lot. If they wanna tear down a ride entirely, Superman maybe cause its so boring and overrated all you go is up in the air and down, and fast.
My suggestion is for Tatsu… figure out a way for the trains to right themselves at the brakes so that riders aren’t hanging awkwardly and painfully while waiting for the other train to dispatch. Kind of like how Skyrush released the restraints at their brakes to relieve our thighs. (Thank goodness those days are over)
Here’s what I would do to the Batman ride: I would re theme it to The Batman and give it a nice red paint scheme, and steepen the turn around and give it more theming. This definitely goes in fantasy 😂
Not since The Dark Knight Coaster has Six Flags themed a coaster directly to a DC movie. Sure they might tie in, like SFGAM Batman for Returns, Mr. Freeze for Batman & Robin, Joker for Suicide Squad, and Wonder Woman GLC for Wonder Woman (2017). My guess is that they have to pay WB extra.
7:25 Gold Rusher's restraints are my favorite. Maybe get a modern train with a seat divider because those restraints are free like a buzz bar. 10:34 It is impossible for people to see you due to the doors and the proximity makes it hard to see, which I will get into what I want to see the view of myself for the next one 11:58 I want to see myself on the ride with a successor to my old Alaska shirt that was a gift from my grandma's sister once I got to that size in 2014 before bidding farewell to it in 2016. 15:23 Magic Flyer has the maximum height because someone told me height restrictions are based on who can fit. I will go to Mexico City, but due to the fact my grandma wants to save up for other things, I really want to go with someone, but I don't want to disrupt anyone, like why I got banned from there after my eclipsed desperation because I was 20 years old, one month before my birthday, during the annular eclipse, wanting to see what it was like from someone sending me the picture wasn't guaranteed, but I was told someone would send it at the last minute, but I was still impacted because I understand being under certain regulations can be strict. I would've changed myself seeing someone who can be with me at Six Flags Mexico (mind you, I can go there) and possibly be reinstated.
For West Coast Racers, I'd change the timing so that the wait before the second lap was shorter. I notice they don't start boarding until the other train finishes the lap. If they consistently ran 3 trains or had some way to speed up boarding, they could make this part less of a buzzkill.
All about money for most and if its worth it do it. That Road Runner Express, was that the one that came from the old park in New Orleans. ? ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I just went to magic mountain and I agree with most of your choices There are three that I dont' agree with though. First of all Batman needs more themeing and landscape, because I found it depressing because it looked like a bunch of random cement and no landscape at all. Second riddlers revenge. The park already has a looper and I would say that the main point of the coaster being there is for it to be a stand up. I think Riddler's revenge needs better restraints such as the restraints that are comfy like the ones on floorless coasters. Third I think scream needs more left turns. I rode it one time and I chose the spot on the far left and I was disappointed because the right side looked like it would be more fun and there were no left turns.
Goliath is about the only coaster I disagree with you here, it's not the lack of steepness that hurts it, it's the chain lift. All chain lifts in the history of ever run at a consistent speed from bottom to top, except a select few that slow down due to the block zone programming. Goliath slows to an absolute crawl when it gets to the top, and that's why there's no air time on the drop. This change would be in the EASY category to just let the train ride to the top at a consistent speed. And imo, HARD category to add some airtime hulls. I've always thought it was stupid to have Goliath tower over Colossus with a turnaround. Give the the ride an airtime hill immediately after th3 drop, then rise into a turnaround in the parking lot, before hitting another new airtime hill and then continuing along the usual course. I don't believe that's fantasy at all, it's probably 1000 feet of track, maybe a $10 million investment? And it would save the coaster, eliminating the need for a giga.
Goliath: Remove it and replace it with an out and back hyper coaster with lots of airtime hills and make it longer. Also, remove the small helix. Scream: Add some theming. Superman: Tuen it into a Top Thrill Dragster/Kingda Ka. Full Throttle: Extend it, add another launch, add more twists and turns. Or just redo the entire ride. Revolution: Switch to lap bars if it hasn’t already. I haven’t ridden West Coast Racers and Wonder Woman yet. Other park improvements it can add: Giga coaster Wing coaster Dive machine coaster It also needs to improve the overall park experience. I am a roller coaster enthusiast, but Magic Mountain can learn a lot from Cedar Point. Maybe Cedar Fair will buy it to help. Look how it transformed Canada’s Wonderland.
For X², I say give it that Eejanaika/ Dinoconda twist, especially with that full-full element instead of the backflip going into the turnaround; put the backflip on the upper raven turn coming off the first drop.
idk abt the batman at magic mountain but on goliath at sfft its usually running so fast that the "slow turnaround" feels like its ripping your feet off like raptor on that double helix
I somehow lucked out and got a duel for my first lap on twisted in my first visit. It was epic they need to find a way to keep a block section to always duel. Maybe add a fourth train Gwazi has 3 but can only have 2 on tracks something rattler does too
I've said before that Green Lantern would probably be one of the better floorless coasters if they replaced the trains with those, but considering Scream is already there, I guess sit-down trains might make more sense. Here's a proposal, though: how about hyper trains? I mean I know they've never had those on a coaster with inversions before, but I can't think of a reason they couldn't. Especially since the park already has inverting coasters that use lap bars.
I don't know how the clamshells would fare with inversions. Based on how loose they are, makes me wonder, but as long as your legs cant get out from under them i dont see why not
The reason for adults not being able to ride Magic Flyer is whiplash. When the train comes out of a dip an adult’s head would be sent backwards and would be behind where their head was when the train entered the dip.
I hate comfort collars, unless its the skyrocket 2 at SeaWorld San Diego, I literally had like, 3 inches of space between my lap and restrain, I was holding on for dear life at the heartline roll at the top. Probably because I was a 5 feet tall 85 pound 12 year old, but still.
I just want to point out that I ride Wonder Woman without the shoulder restraints. I toss thim off at the top of the lift hill and slide them back on just before the brake run. It works out just fine. So it wouldn't cost a whole lot to change this over, just cut the shoulder harnesses out. I know that falls under the fantasy category because of liability but something along a middle ground like just replacing the restraints on the existing trains with just lap bars would work just fine. On a related note, I've also done this on the smaller raptors and yeah... Don't do that.
@@AirtimeThrills Wonder Woman at fiesta Texas - courage lasso flight golden something whatever - now has super tight shoulder straps. I can't say I was thrilled with that but since I'm an old fart and that discovery was made during my first back seat ride it may have been for the best.
Ya know adding a sit down train to riddlers aint a bad idea. I dont mind the stand up factor, in fact i think its so overblown. But i never thought about it and it's a pretty good idea!
Truthfully, I’d be curious to see how Wonder Woman would run with shorter trains. I think the long trains interrupt the pacing of the elements and it becomes extremely apparent when riding in the back of the train. It almost feels as if each airtime hill is providing the pulling force of a first drop rather than sustained ejector throughout the element. It still has good forces, just not quite what it could be.
I’m surprised you didn’t just suggest Goliath be torn down and rebuilt. 😂 That drop is indeed boring, but the worst part is coming to a full stop on the mid course brake run. That completely kills the ride for me. I get slowing the train some, but a full stop? 🤨
@@AirtimeThrills True, but in terms of comfort those kinds of restraints would still be far better than the old ones. If B&M could retrofit those onto Riddler I think people would appreciate the ride more.
The dig about Batman: The Ride ripping your head off, that happened to someone at Six Flags Over Georgia in 2008 (guest went into a restricted area to retrieve a lost hat). As far as Goliath goes, how does it compare to its sibling Titan (Six Flags Over Texas)? I know for the later, it has a trim brake that nearly causes a dead stop.
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od. Also, The layout can be much longer. With a Larger Non Inverting Loop, a Taller First Brake Run, a Non Inverting Pretzelknot, a Low Airtime Hill and a Non Inverting Cobra-roll. @@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od
My friend works at Tatsu and he's pretty close with the maintenance guys. He says that besides staffing, another reason they don't like to run Side 2 at Tatsu is because it gives more errors than Side 1. Personally, I think that has to do with when Tatsu's computer caught fire in 2021. I remember that day. It was back when I still worked at the park. I was taking my Revolution certification test and all of a sudden there was a big commotion with the supervisors and a lot of talk about Tatsu on the radios. Obviously, staffing is another big issue there but for that and for Superman, they are plagued with lots of maintenance problems
I was on the opening team at Tatsu. Sad to hear about side 2
Not a coaster, but would love if they rethemed Crazanity to Joker and put in a funhouse queue like Fiesta Texas, since it’s sitting in the middle of all the DC character rides anyways.
That element on X-2 is rough on Eejanaika as well, so I doubt S&S could do anything about it.
I agree, Full Throttle had to be extended so that it can be top 5 in the park behind WWFOC, Tatsu, X2, & Twisted Colossus.
so know which is top 5 ?
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"This one would just require more staffing" = fantasy
Aint that the truth
If twisted colossus actually dueled more consistently, it would be so much better. I also loved the video.
It does, that is if the operators time it right
Whenever I go, it doesn't seem like they care about a fast dispatch 😂
@@Blake_Danger sometimes you have to remember operators want to get trains out as soon as possible so there isn’t bad operations
When I went in 2019, it was the guests that were allergic to getting their butts in the seat fast enough for a duel.
During my recent visit the operators were trying hard, guests are just far too slow and don’t get the concept. One of my rides we actually almost got it were only off by like 2 seconds.
The issue my partner and I both had with Riddler's Revenge was not the "standing up" part. My head kept getting bashed around against the padded over the shoulder restraints. We rode it a few times in a row until he needed to stop because he was getting a bad headache.
S&S should get the rights to the inverted swing coaster, so ninja can finally have the layout that you want. Which I would love to see a left turning downward helix and a right turning downward helix in the layout.
That would be awesome, but even if s&s did that i would be stunned if theyd invest any significant money into Ninja
I do agree about Viper. The last time I rode it was back in 2009 and my head was playing pinball between those restraints. I swear that ride cleared out my sinuses because my nose was constantly running throughout the rest of the day.
Tatsu is the big reason why I have to wear a good sports bra almost every time I go to Magic Mountain. It seriously isn't the most comfortable when you are on the break run laying on your chest.
I'm OK with the shoulder restraints on Superman. They are there to keep riders safe and secure on the ride, and I don't think Six Flags wants to get into hot water with CAL/OSHA over it. Maybe instead of just going to a lap bar on the backwards side, maybe consider vest restraints like the ones on Riddler Revenge at Six Flags New England.
I 100% agree with getting rid of those comfort collars. I don't think these are much of an issue for shorter riders, but since I'm 6'1, those things really ruin whatever ride I'm on, and I know people around my height also really don't like these. I know it sounds like a petty fix, but it would definitely improve the experience for a lot of people.
Hell nah it is horrible when shorter. I am 5’8 and it headbangs unless you hold it awkwardly down the whole time. The track is smooth as full throttle, but yet it managed to be the third most uncomfortable ride in the park for people tall enough for neck slaps or short enough for ear slaps. Makes me dislike the awesome High five element purely based on the collars (X2 is first or second based on seat, and riddler swaps based on x2.
Comfort collars are just a horribly flawed design that the gp dislikes as much as thusies. They only benefit the insurance rates of a park in my opinion
I’m shorter and they literally hurt me all the time on West Coast
No, when you are short, they also hurt. When I first rode ice breaker the year it opened, I was not even 5 foot yet, and it HURT. Back, they rattled around your ears and head, or forward, it really rubbed against your neck.
I’m 5’1 and I despise comfort collars. I rode Ice Breaker, before the collars were removed, and Tigris at BGT, and they were both one and done for me. I couldn’t enjoy the them because I spent the entire ride trying to hold the collars down to keep them from chopping me in the neck and ears.
Comfort collars are so pointless. Makes the ride experience worse for everyone and adds more equipment to those already-very cramped premier trains
This is so cool. I am rewatching this video, and I spotted myself unloading at TC like 4 years ago at 3:36.
feel like a big inclined helix over the front queue area for FT would be cheaper than going onto the mountain
1:40 There is an easy extension possible with just simply extending out the brake run track U-turn by ~15-25ft. The buffer wall to the path is ~20ft thick. They could shrink this down and add better sound damping. Also possible to bump out the buffer wall and relocate that candy store to keep the path wide enough. Any distance extended would also add that much on the other side the U-turn for some brakes as well, you get double the extension in track length, would be enough to at least get the brakes off of the drop.
At the very minimum that would be really nice
Just a proper drop at the end would make Full Throttle so much nicer. Give it a small spike to eat the speed and switch track to go around the spike, just like Batman Gotham City Escape.
i think the way to do goliath is “RMC” the lift so it’s steeper but also higher, that way you get more air on the bunny hill too
They should definitely add a holding brake at the end of green track on twisted colossus. I've always wondered why they left it in the guest's hands to decide whether or not the ride would duel.
can they just do to X2 whatever it is that makes eejanaika more rideable? is that just the trains?
My fantasy for Superman is to modernize the launch so it actually hits 100 mph, and actually goes up to the 400 foot mark. Work with Zamperla or Intamin to get it done.
Definitely, but these days I've seen it get up to about 390 feet which is pretty dang close, even in the video he showed of it, it goes up there for sure on the right side
Another option for Goliath would be to add something before the mid course break run. It has so much speed you could probably slap a nice big upward helix right on to the support structure. It would complement the one in the spaghetti section too!
Giovanola learned that lesson before Titan
Knowing Six Flags, the only ones that seem possible are Revolution and Magic Flyer. But maybe the new company can fix that...
What I want for Goliath at Magic Mountain,(and Titan at Six Flags Over Texas) is for B&M to update the layout. It's probably fantasy but it would cool.🙂
How about Goliath in six flags over Georgia. Looks boring still
@@MetraUPNWproductions7202thats one of the best Hypers ever built bud
@@MetraUPNWproductions7202I feel like most enthusiasts would say that is the one Goliath that doesn’t need a layout change.
@@SnowghostFilms it has the exact same layout as nitro at great adventure and mako at seaworld Orlando
@MetraUPNWproductions7202 nah goliath has one of the best layouts from B&M Mich different than mako or nitro
Definitely in agreement on Viper. Just needs a touch of TLC, new trains would do wonders for it.
Goliath: I'd add height to change the drop angle to make it steeper. If not that, fix the trim and make it closer to what it was when it opened and was more insane.
Scream needs theming. Badly.
Wonder Woman, since I don't really have an issue with the restraints, I'd also add theming to it to create some head-chopper moments.
Gold Rusher: Build a mine themed tunnel over the final helix.
Full Throttle: Just finish building the ride.
Twisted Colossus: I would extend the back half of the layout, because A.) It's a fun ride and I'd love more of it, and B.) it would give more time to load the next train for a guaranteed duel. Barring that, I agree with you that stopping the train is the best option.
i felt so seen at that x2 improvement!! very recently got over my fear of intense rollercoasters and have become admittedly obsessed with x2, but it DESTROYED my calves in a triple punch and i remember how shocking it was, i thought i somehow did something wrong cause surely a coaster wouldn't hurt! anyways, super fun video, been loving your channel as my favorite gateway to this new interest of mine!
My biggest problem with the coasters at magic mountain is that I haven't ridden them yet.
Me neither, I’ve only done the two smallest.
Thats a giant problem
Neither have I, mainly because I haven’t had interest to drive all the way to BFE to get on 3 rides in a full park day if I’m lucky.
Another awesome video! You are the GOAT of coaster tubers. You deserve to have more subscribers and more views.
I had no idea you had worked at SFMM.
Ice Breaker had its comfort collars removed because children under 54" were hitting their heads on the buckle. This issue doesn't apply to the other Premier Skyrockets that have a 54" height requirement.
And the complaints when the 54” requirement happened as they were making it a family coaster, so much that Penguin Trek has its Height Requirement as a selling point.
Ive literally seen 5-6 year olds ride that 💀
Understandable, but the conversion still happened so its on the table as a possibility
I mean, "they're unnecessary and some people don't like them" is still probably enough of a reason to get rid of 'em on other Premier coasters
I would have no idea as I have never been to the park or ridden a premier rides coaster with comfort collars I’ve only ridden the ones with lap bars
This is my newest favorite video series. I dare you to do one about each of Six Flags's food options. Hahhahaha - that would be like a 2-hour video.
4:56 ,six flags over Georgia Jun 28, 2008 can vouch for that
Thanks for responding Mr.trills
That’s dark
Don't skip the line kids!
Touche
For Scream, I'm surprised you didn't choose to tear it out 😂
Well thats cheating but yes tear it out for bathrooms
Scream is lost at magic mountain with the great lineup they have but relocated to a smaller park it could be a star attraction
@@Chuckyriggsscream would be perfect at SFOG
@@iiMERLlNNah Frontier City would probably be a better fit
@@AirtimeThrillsor put an entrance there
Really great video, and I was surprised by how frequently my opinion matched up with yours (especially on Full Throttle). This would be a great series for other parks with 12+ coasters. If you want to do Great Adventure, I've got some ideas.
Yep ill get to the other big parks at some point. Helps to have visited them recently
6:38: Wait, Wildfire and Hulk have floorless trains along with normal trains?
No just pointing out the type of trains im suggesting for RR
I agree with the Revolution. Lose the trim brakes. I went on it as my first coaster a few weeks after it opened, and it had none. It was considered a "White Knuckler" at the time, and that last helix was one of the best parts of the ride.
On X2 I ALWAYS ride with my feet up on the seat like I'm crouching. Completely eliminates all the leg banging that makes the ride hurt. Still get some head banging but not much you can do about that.
The thing I would say for X2 is just make sure the effects and music are consistently working. If I was to give it a major refurb, just reprofile the whole ride and retrack it to have smoother rotations like Eejanaika or Dinoconda.
Itd be so nice if the music ever worked. The fire was on when i went in January
@@AirtimeThrills I was there earlier this month and while it was running 2 trains, no fire, no music
This is a great video concept! I agree with the X2 fix, that last element can be brutal & would make the ride significantly better.
Great video! Great suggestions! I enjoyed watching! I think Scream would look a lot nicer if they got rid of the parking lot setting!
I love Magic, I have so many great memories working here circa 2001 to 2003 and since all the ride operators were my classmates, i had unlimited fast lane coming through the exit... ahhh i even remember one time our supervisor left us right at goliath when the park had 10 minutes left to open and we RAN all the way to X to be the first ones on!!, great times. I really hope they can add one bad ass Giga before I leave this Earth.
I once got busted for telling my trainees they could use their id as a flash pass. I honestly thought it was a legit rule
@@AirtimeThrills lmao when i tell i got to ride batman 15 times one day 🤣🤣🤣, in 2003ish 4 they cracked down hard on us doing that if i remember correctly. *sighs* Magic Mountain will always be my Disneyland.
yuuuuuo holding the train for twisted Colossus is such a no brainer. been wishing for that since before the ride opened. That animation showed the lift hill speeds would adjust & Im like... yeah but things wont always go smoothly..
Maybe even easier to program... Have it stop on the chain lift based and start based on a sensor
Such a good idea , would love this to be a series
The reason Superman has OTSR's is because of the backwards launch. If it overshoots the brakes (like if there was a power outage) the LSM stators would act as weak eddy current brakes. It has a fixed set of much more powerful eddy current brakes past the station that will stop it really abruptly if it does this. They don't want people getting thrown forward, so they have those.
They could probably take them off on the forwards side. I don't really see much of a problem with them though, because they basically act as lap bars as the track is straight and the shoulder harnesses don't even touch your shoulders.
Great video!
That Helix on Revolution used to be fast. But people started to complain. I would love to see it go faster like it used to. I rode this in 1976 and it was fast. I was 15 then.
Here’s my ideas, for what Full Throttle needs to be much longer!
Where after the hill on top of the loop, it will have these inversions and elements.
They are
A Big Double Downward Helix or Carousel Turn to the right, That goes over the buildings that contain High Octane Wings, Live Life Gear and Loaded Dogs.
Top portion is a little over banked.
A huge 720 Zero-G Roll.
A Big Double Upward Helix to the left.
Top portion is also a little over banked.
Then a Custom Inversion. That uses a Dive Loop, a Right Turning Overbanked Curve, a Zero-G Roll, a Left Turning Over Banked Turn, and a Immelmann loop.
I call the Interlocking Norwegian Loop.
A Right Angled Loop
Finally a Immelman Loop into the Break Run.
I agree on Goliath and I'd add height so that the drop itself had a more peaked profile and that'd give you more airtime and speed. Plus I'd take that turn around and bank it outward. With the extra speed from the talked drop that turnaround become an airtime moment and possibly a very good one.
Full Throttle: you're 100%. I have nothing to add.
Superman: here's my fantasy. Make it a flying coaster and you launch out then do a fly to lie and climb up the tower.
X2: make it smooth always
Scream: Lansdscaping
Riddler's Revenge: 100% agree. Sitdown loopers are fun.
Viper: Vekoma trains FTW.
Hey airtime I went on scream not to long ago, the outside seats are very rough, while the inside seats are very smooth.
Making the drop on Goliath steeper is really the only thing it would need if you ask me, save for adding another helix like Titan has. Titan is my favorite ride at Over Texas for its sheer positives, but like Goliath, the drop is underwhelming. So that's really where I say it needs improvement for sure.
Lol when apocalypse is running at its intended speed, the ending is elite, much stronger finish than Renegade. Got to experience that at fright fest 2010 and if it always ran like that it'd be a 9/10 ride
For Goliath, even just changing the profiling of the drop so it's a concave-down parabolic arc rather than a straight ramp would improve the airtime
Love your stuff @Airtime Thrills! I just want to say on the Bat Clone: My one fix is to take the trains and make it so the first few rows go forwards and the last few go backwards. I rode it backwards once at MM, and it's a MUCH better ride in reverse!!!
That would be cool. At least bring back backwards trains for fright fest
@@AirtimeThrills Yup!
Airtime Thrills: "Batmans meant to rip your head off, and it does." 4:57
Me: Wait, WHAT??????
Facts
I came to the comments to see if anybody else noticed XD... TOO SOON
@@AirtimeThrillsattention everyone! Airtime thrills, no longer has a head.😜
Changing the end of Ninja would be highly improbable, but what about throwing some Vekoma family suspended coaster trains on there? That would be awesome over that terrain!!!!!
Really enjoy your videos, especially this one! One fantasy fix for the end of Ninja I've always proposed would be to beef up the final lift motor and speed it up.
Also never really hear much about Magic Flyer, looks like a mall food court coaster. I wonder if the height restraint is due to weight, that train looks seriously precarious for flat lats. I have no doubt it can safely handle a train of adults, the wear and tear on the physical system probably rises exponentially with heavier loads
True, i just wonder if it always had a height max since it opened in the 70s
Holding the train on the left will reduce capacity, while I think they need a seat tester in front to improve operations and they also need new rmc trains and also add a 4th train to that too
they have 4 trains already, they just cycle them in and out of the track. the train colors are blue, orange, purple, and green
Yeah they do have 4 trains which makes the 2 train ops kinda crazy. But youre right about the test seat
All 4 trains have to run and cycle
I have an idea for a video- Favorite coaster at each Cedar Fair park and what you would change about it. I think these types of videos could be a series
Could add a higher speed lift to Goliath or a mini-LSM boost the top of the drop to get a little air time there, this would also make the air time hill have actual floater+ every time.
True that would be much more plausible
For X2, they should turn the seats around on one side of the train. So half facing forward, and half facing backward. Two completely different ride experiences.
Honestly I think if X2 had some kind of leg restraint like a flying coaster that would hold your legs against the train, that wacking of the calfs wouldn't be nearly as bad. That is the one painful part of the coaster for me too because my legs swing back and forth against the train.
even though i've never been on it, my request for X2 is to improve the consistancy of the music and fire effects
Having TC stop at the bottom of the lift hill would be a hit to throughput. I could see MM implementing a mandatory locker thing if they really wanted to push the dueling aspect.
I really wonder how much the park cares. Some ops ive seen do care though
I honestly expected you to say they should tear Scream out entirely, surprised you didn't even as a joke
Ill give Scream a break for giving me a good ride in 24
Youre so dumb and stupid. Why should they tear it out? its not a bad roller coaster, its probably in the middle tear, the only issue is that it can kinda give a headache after, and that its in a middle of a parking lot with no theme and the only scenery really is the parking lot. If they wanna tear down a ride entirely, Superman maybe cause its so boring and overrated all you go is up in the air and down, and fast.
My suggestion is for Tatsu… figure out a way for the trains to right themselves at the brakes so that riders aren’t hanging awkwardly and painfully while waiting for the other train to dispatch. Kind of like how Skyrush released the restraints at their brakes to relieve our thighs. (Thank goodness those days are over)
Here’s what I would do to the Batman ride:
I would re theme it to The Batman and give it a nice red paint scheme, and steepen the turn around and give it more theming.
This definitely goes in fantasy 😂
Not since The Dark Knight Coaster has Six Flags themed a coaster directly to a DC movie. Sure they might tie in, like SFGAM Batman for Returns, Mr. Freeze for Batman & Robin, Joker for Suicide Squad, and Wonder Woman GLC for Wonder Woman (2017). My guess is that they have to pay WB extra.
Id say to improve Batman put working AC in the queue, it’s hell waiting for it on a summer weekend with that enclosed queue
I say Magic Flyer should either get rid of the Engine front car or go back to Percy.
7:25 Gold Rusher's restraints are my favorite. Maybe get a modern train with a seat divider because those restraints are free like a buzz bar.
10:34 It is impossible for people to see you due to the doors and the proximity makes it hard to see, which I will get into what I want to see the view of myself for the next one
11:58 I want to see myself on the ride with a successor to my old Alaska shirt that was a gift from my grandma's sister once I got to that size in 2014 before bidding farewell to it in 2016.
15:23 Magic Flyer has the maximum height because someone told me height restrictions are based on who can fit.
I will go to Mexico City, but due to the fact my grandma wants to save up for other things, I really want to go with someone, but I don't want to disrupt anyone, like why I got banned from there after my eclipsed desperation because I was 20 years old, one month before my birthday, during the annular eclipse, wanting to see what it was like from someone sending me the picture wasn't guaranteed, but I was told someone would send it at the last minute, but I was still impacted because I understand being under certain regulations can be strict. I would've changed myself seeing someone who can be with me at Six Flags Mexico (mind you, I can go there) and possibly be reinstated.
For West Coast Racers, I'd change the timing so that the wait before the second lap was shorter. I notice they don't start boarding until the other train finishes the lap. If they consistently ran 3 trains or had some way to speed up boarding, they could make this part less of a buzzkill.
For Goliath, they could also let you zip through the midcourse break run at 5 mph instead of 2 mph. Easy!
All about money for most and if its worth it do it. That Road Runner Express, was that the one that came from the old park in New Orleans. ? ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Yep thats the one
I just went to magic mountain and I agree with most of your choices There are three that I dont' agree with though. First of all Batman needs more themeing and landscape, because I found it depressing because it looked like a bunch of random cement and no landscape at all. Second riddlers revenge. The park already has a looper and I would say that the main point of the coaster being there is for it to be a stand up. I think Riddler's revenge needs better restraints such as the restraints that are comfy like the ones on floorless coasters. Third I think scream needs more left turns. I rode it one time and I chose the spot on the far left and I was disappointed because the right side looked like it would be more fun and there were no left turns.
Goliath is about the only coaster I disagree with you here, it's not the lack of steepness that hurts it, it's the chain lift. All chain lifts in the history of ever run at a consistent speed from bottom to top, except a select few that slow down due to the block zone programming. Goliath slows to an absolute crawl when it gets to the top, and that's why there's no air time on the drop. This change would be in the EASY category to just let the train ride to the top at a consistent speed. And imo, HARD category to add some airtime hulls. I've always thought it was stupid to have Goliath tower over Colossus with a turnaround. Give the the ride an airtime hill immediately after th3 drop, then rise into a turnaround in the parking lot, before hitting another new airtime hill and then continuing along the usual course. I don't believe that's fantasy at all, it's probably 1000 feet of track, maybe a $10 million investment? And it would save the coaster, eliminating the need for a giga.
You should do a video of ranking each manufacturer’s most airtime focused ride
Interesting one, will look into it
I like this video. Can you do it for other parks?
The Knotts one is out now
Goliath: Remove it and replace it with an out and back hyper coaster with lots of airtime hills and make it longer. Also, remove the small helix.
Scream: Add some theming.
Superman: Tuen it into a Top Thrill Dragster/Kingda Ka.
Full Throttle: Extend it, add another launch, add more twists and turns. Or just redo the entire ride.
Revolution: Switch to lap bars if it hasn’t already.
I haven’t ridden West Coast Racers and Wonder Woman yet.
Other park improvements it can add:
Giga coaster
Wing coaster
Dive machine coaster
It also needs to improve the overall park experience. I am a roller coaster enthusiast, but Magic Mountain can learn a lot from Cedar Point. Maybe Cedar Fair will buy it to help. Look how it transformed Canada’s Wonderland.
They actually have added lap bars to Revolution in 2016.
Great video, and great start to a new series. Do SFNE next :)
Ill get to the other major parks, helps if i rode the coasters recently
I wouldn't miss Tatsu's pretzel loop if it were removed. May be an unpopular opinion, its just intense without being that fun in return for me.
It depends on what forces you prefer
Oh my do this for every theme park. Or at least the more parks.
None or any of these changes will happen until that new ride where golden bear theater was opens
I'm just wondering how much that X2 reprofile will be - it's a $55 million coaster after all, that track cannot be cheap
I really like that idea of having a stall on Full Throttle 😮
For X2 I think they should reprofile the raven turn with the reprofileing of the lift and fixing the atio.
For X², I say give it that Eejanaika/ Dinoconda twist, especially with that full-full element instead of the backflip going into the turnaround; put the backflip on the upper raven turn coming off the first drop.
idk abt the batman at magic mountain but on goliath at sfft its usually running so fast that the "slow turnaround" feels like its ripping your feet off like raptor on that double helix
Smoothing out viper should be their number one priority. My favorite rides in order are: x2, Wonder Woman, twisted, apocalypse, Batman
I somehow lucked out and got a duel for my first lap on twisted in my first visit. It was epic they need to find a way to keep a block section to always duel. Maybe add a fourth train Gwazi has 3 but can only have 2 on tracks something rattler does too
I've said before that Green Lantern would probably be one of the better floorless coasters if they replaced the trains with those, but considering Scream is already there, I guess sit-down trains might make more sense. Here's a proposal, though: how about hyper trains? I mean I know they've never had those on a coaster with inversions before, but I can't think of a reason they couldn't. Especially since the park already has inverting coasters that use lap bars.
I don't know how the clamshells would fare with inversions. Based on how loose they are, makes me wonder, but as long as your legs cant get out from under them i dont see why not
@@AirtimeThrillsthey work well on Hangtime at Knotts, so, why not?
With modern Premiers, it isn’t the comfort collar that's the issue, it's the lack of legroom for me
Yeah that's horrendous when youre going in and out of the train, once I am sitting down it doesnt bother me
The reason for adults not being able to ride Magic Flyer is whiplash. When the train comes out of a dip an adult’s head would be sent backwards and would be behind where their head was when the train entered the dip.
I hate comfort collars, unless its the skyrocket 2 at SeaWorld San Diego, I literally had like, 3 inches of space between my lap and restrain, I was holding on for dear life at the heartline roll at the top. Probably because I was a 5 feet tall 85 pound 12 year old, but still.
I just want to point out that I ride Wonder Woman without the shoulder restraints. I toss thim off at the top of the lift hill and slide them back on just before the brake run. It works out just fine. So it wouldn't cost a whole lot to change this over, just cut the shoulder harnesses out. I know that falls under the fantasy category because of liability but something along a middle ground like just replacing the restraints on the existing trains with just lap bars would work just fine.
On a related note, I've also done this on the smaller raptors and yeah... Don't do that.
Ive had the shoulder straps fall off during the ride but yeah i those things are kinda loose
@@AirtimeThrills Wonder Woman at fiesta Texas - courage lasso flight golden something whatever - now has super tight shoulder straps. I can't say I was thrilled with that but since I'm an old fart and that discovery was made during my first back seat ride it may have been for the best.
very useful tutorial, worked perfectly!!
Ya know adding a sit down train to riddlers aint a bad idea. I dont mind the stand up factor, in fact i think its so overblown. But i never thought about it and it's a pretty good idea!
Truthfully, I’d be curious to see how Wonder Woman would run with shorter trains. I think the long trains interrupt the pacing of the elements and it becomes extremely apparent when riding in the back of the train. It almost feels as if each airtime hill is providing the pulling force of a first drop rather than sustained ejector throughout the element. It still has good forces, just not quite what it could be.
This was an interesting video. I hope to see you do this for other parks.
I’m surprised you didn’t just suggest Goliath be torn down and rebuilt. 😂 That drop is indeed boring, but the worst part is coming to a full stop on the mid course brake run. That completely kills the ride for me. I get slowing the train some, but a full stop? 🤨
Id like the ride gone if they could replace it with a b&m or Mack. Id settle for improving it
@@AirtimeThrills agreed. It’s got the stats to be a good hyper coaster, but they wasted it. It could be so much better
Batman could use a new station that doesn't feel like a microwave during the summer time
Riddler’s Revenge could also do the surf coaster trains
After seeing the surf it made me realize the layout really caters to the trains. Not really the case with the traditional standup layout.
@@AirtimeThrills True, but in terms of comfort those kinds of restraints would still be far better than the old ones. If B&M could retrofit those onto Riddler I think people would appreciate the ride more.
Cool idea for a video, cedar point next?
The dig about Batman: The Ride ripping your head off, that happened to someone at Six Flags Over Georgia in 2008 (guest went into a restricted area to retrieve a lost hat).
As far as Goliath goes, how does it compare to its sibling Titan (Six Flags Over Texas)? I know for the later, it has a trim brake that nearly causes a dead stop.
Only difference is the extra helix and taller lift on Titan....otherwise the rest of Goliath is the same.
The extra helix is super intense, thats the only difference and its a big one
15:37 “this is an easy fix, they just have to let it happen” literally me who is also a coaster Cred junkie and I’m mad I can’t get this credit
great vid as always!!
Talk about how you should improve the coasters at Universal Orlando.
Velocicoaster: make the first half good
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od.
Also, The layout can be much longer. With a Larger Non Inverting Loop, a Taller First Brake Run, a Non Inverting Pretzelknot, a Low Airtime Hill and a Non Inverting Cobra-roll. @@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od
i would honestly be happy if six flags just fixed the effects and music on x2..... i miss the hype before the first drop
I was stunned to see the fire working last time I was there. Music I haven't heard in several years