Started collecting WH with a Krieg Kill Team box like a year ago, recently played my first 500~ pts games Slowly but surely building a full Krieg army What a great time to collect this boys
Literally just had my first 500 point battle last week, utterly dominated tau just by clogging them up the wazoo. Good luck to your future engagements!
@@ghr501able you can't really do shipping to Russia, but thanks for advice :) We kinda have a lot of "unofficial" and "illegal" options that's cheaper. Like, recasted krieg kill team squad for 16$. I compared it to my official kit and quality is amazing. I'm not telling to buy from recasters, but there is not a lot of options to buy official stuff or get shipping from "overseas". Local 3D printed stuff is even cheaper, got my 20 kasrkin + Creed for 12$.
I started out not too long ago towards the end of 9th right as the codex came out, i was collecting tons of krieg simply from how cool they were and knowing guard armies needed lots of boots. Glad to see my choices bearing fruit. Glory to the emperor for sending this great datasheet to the men of krieg
Worth noting as well that the Primaris Psyker's Psychic Barrier ability specifically states that on a roll of 1, the UNIT takes d3 mortals -- meaning you can just kill a couple of Krieg (triggering Grim Demeanour) and then bring them back with the medipack. Also the Psyker gives them a 4+ FNP against psychic attacks lol.
i'm picturing the psyker exploding or bursting a blood vessle somewher and keeling over, then some krieger shakes his head and shoots him full of something and yanks him back up.
also note that all psyker abilities are psychic. so it is fair to assume, that both his overcharged psychic attack hazzard and his shield mishap is considered psychic as well. so you even get a 4+++ vs those MW, when they happen
I'm just starting a Guard army in 10th, and I'm glad the Kriegers have a nice stat line because they really appeal to me visually. I'm hoping they're costed cheaply enough to bring large hordes of them!
I just finished the Krieg novel, so this is good timing. "They fought, and the sounds of their pitched battle rand out across the gray wastes of their ravaged, irradiated world, for no one else to hear. A world that had not known peace for five hundred years, and never would again. A world whose very name meant 'war.'"
I was playing my Krieg as Cadians because of the special weapons . Now the vox caster isnt' worth much, 3x special weapons becomes worth it. Especially since the Grenade Launcher can now murder stuff.
Honestly anything that is OP or an obvious best choice win at all cost unit makes me sad. Game should be more balanced army to army but also internally in the faction as well....
Don't know about rules, but if you want some Renegades & Heretics models, Wargames Atlantic is currently running a crowdfunding campaign for a series of plastic model kits heavily reminiscent of traitor guard. They call them "The Damned" (of the "Lost &..." variety), and the campaign already hit its initial funding goals. Now they're just unlocking stretch goals, like cavalry (Rough Riders), mid-sized artillery (Field Ordinance Batteries), female infantry, hounds (plus handlers), a mutation sprue, and maybe even troop transports (Chimera) and a tank (Leman Russ).
While Im very excited for 10th Krieg, and Im happy that they got what seems like a significant upgrade over the 9th edition, Im sad that they're moving further away from 8th Krieg. 8th Krieg really felt like they were accurate to their lore. Ignoring casualties (albeit just in the shooting phase) and being practically unbreakable. I was hoping we'd see some of that again in 10th, and i cant say that Im not a little disapointed that the Death Korp routs just as fast as any other guardsman. Still, these are definitelly good changes, and Im very happy that my favorite army is becoming a lot more competent on the field!
Never really got over having my forgeworld dkok stripped down in 8th and then squatted into normal guardsmen armies. Had to deal with it happening to my Black Templar in 5th-6th and I just can't do it again.
well this didn't age well, as the DK marshall can trigger the bravery strate once per game for free. it is not commisar level of stubborness but it should be enough for the most important times. also considering that the DK medipack triggers at the start of the command phase, it can actually prevent batle shock from happening.
Now if only the models would had a decent price. 😢 I hope we get more dkok releases in 10th edition. Like dkok riders and engineer (and heavy weapon teams!)
My buddy and I played a game about a month ago. My kriegers took zero casualties (well, they did, but came back to life) while devouring marine squads (and a terminator squad) in melee. In a previous game vs my nephew, they did the same thing vs thunderwolf cavalry and a wolf lord... though they took enough casualties from thunderhammers to proc the below half strength bonus...
Ever though about using a inquisitor (one with a power fist/ demon hammer) have them grab a 10 man krieg with melta/plasma/Grenade launcher. serg plasma pistol / power sword. plus one random commish/ priest/ engineer. Have them jump out of a taurox Prime. All inquisitors can use any ride and use any battleline unit as a bodyguard. This would make sure everyone can reroll wounds when they jump out.
I'm currently building and painting 1000 points of DKoK for 10th with plans to expand to 2000 points and I'm glaad the basic Krieg infantry looks so usefull.
To be fair, Mordian, we don't know if Krieg will have the game loadout rules as they did in 9th edition. They might also get 4 special weapons-- the whole "vox or plasma" thing was a pretty bizarre choice to begin with
They revealed the other side of the back card in the stream. It still has the weird vox/plasma rule but in a 20 man squad you could potentially take 1 vox and 1 plasma if you really want the vox ability. It then allows 2 + 2 of the other special weapons. Bizarrely the option to take the medi-pack was missing, which seems like it was potentially a mistake.
I hate the new “unit only has the options in its box”. Part of the fun was assembling the best unit layout with bits you traded for and conversions. Veteran squads were the best. They didn’t have a box so it was a real chance to make a colorful squad of hardened specialist with their own weapon load outs. I also miss heavy flamers. I run DKOK and I have 2 Grenadier heavy flamer teams on a heavy weapon base that I can’t run anymore.
@adamcarey6093 I think the new method is MUCH better for new players, and that's probably honestly a good thing. One of the largest complaints about 40k is the cost required to build optimized armies, and needing 4 copies of a unit just to get the right weapons was a big part of it.
@@adamcarey6093 I actually like the box contents thing, just not for the krieg plasma/vox issue - because they got it wrong. You can build both a vox and a plasma just by following the instructions. The plasma gun is given as a separate build option on a different model compared to the comms guy, and on top of that there's also the spotter who has an actual vox whereas the comms guy has the kill team sprue comms array. So really it's just a weird choice that they imposed for no reason if they took a few minutes to look at the kit. At the very least I'm happy I can have at least 1 plasma guy and 1 vox guy in my 20 man squads now.
Not to poop in anyone's trench, (and if im wrong, then cool) but... Given that this is smelling a little like another case of GW overbuffing to boost kit sales... I'd put money down that after this pushes a shit-ton of kits, the Death Korp will get FAQ/errata'd down to below cadians again. They've done this before
So I spent quite a while checking the full datasheet in the Index and I can't find the medipack in the list of equipment options, it's only mentioned in the equipment abilities. Sounds like they forgot to put in how to get a medipack (it'll probably be that for every 10 models in the unit, 1 Guardsman can take it in addition to his lasgun, and that it can't be the same dude with the vox-caster and that this model can't swap his lasgun for another weapon)
You forgot that if Command Squad contains HWT in it (you can include it insterad of 2 guardsmen), they start to overwatch on 4+, So the whole squad will also annihilate on overwatch.
Over watch on 4s is an ability from the heavy weapons squad, you don’t get that from including a heavy weapons team in infantry squads or command squads
honestly, I think my biggest beef is the medipack. I know I shouldn't be mad, but I'm so mad about how badly they've slapped my dedbois and DG. These guys make Cadians look like a freaking joke. The only reason to take Cadians is sticky objectives unless they're comparatively very cheap.
Well, Canadians are jokes. They abandoned their world as soon as it stopped being a paradises. Even after the 13th crusade, it is still nicer the Kreig.
As Death Korps cost the same as an Infantry squad (65pt for 10 models) I fully expect GW to errata the medi-pack to be once per game. They are already arguably better than an Infantry Squad as they can have more heavy weapons so allowing the medi-pack to be used multiple times is just silly.
@Naeron66 valid. I'd just up their price a bit though. They aren't inherently tougher than an infantry squad, so upcosting a bit lays in the risk. If the enemy is intelligent and focuses/wipes a DKoK brick, then the extra expense and medipacks are up in smoke.
Though I miss the 7th edition profile, the 10th edition profile has got me weeping tears of joy. You just can't see them because I still have my gas mask on...
cool video! but i’m a bit fuzzy on the core rules here: - can you improve BS/WS by more than 1 in 10th? - is there a limit to how many characters you can add to each squad? i feel like it’s either-or between the command squad and the primaris psyker. - can you order battleshocked units? if not, i think grim demeanor will realistically not stack with take aim a lot of times.
1. You cannot improve ballistic skill more than 1 the key here is noticing the rules and what it affects a plus one to hit is different than improving the BS therefore they stack 2. Every data sheet has an option saying how many leaders may be included typically a ten man can have one and a twenty man can have 2 3. Battleshocked units cannot be ordered and cannot receive stratagems, however this brings about why I think people undervalue the commissar, who will not only activate grim demeanor by executing a korps man but also remove battle shock from the unit as a whole. Hope this helps
Me the second I saw the "Grim Demanour" ability: - This is where the fun begins! Time to do a wall of infantry. (Btw... F for other guard regiments, and regiment-unique abilities. Miss peeps like Vostroyans, Tallarnians, Steel Legionnaires, Valhallans and Chem-dogs)
Hey MordianGlory, i start collecting IG. Quick Question, where do you get that D3 revive from? I cant find the Medipack or Ability? Thanks for the great content.
I will definitely run my Penal Legion as Death Korps now, instead of as Cadians. Not sure if I want to make Penal Legion command Squads though, but they will definitely have Commissars, and maybe even a Psyker.
Holy shit. I was worried about the flamer melta combo but melta and flamers wounding on 4s and 3s is going to be awesome. 5 squads with 20 a pack is going to be spicy. I can run some cadians as well for objective control.
One note. "A Hit roll can never be modified by more than -1 or +1." So the unit is maxed out at BS 3+ and wont get further use from take aim if they are under full strength. I know there are situations where it can still be useful, but the main thing is that they can newer hit on a 2+. Kreags men are still bonkers good, and probably way under costed to drive model sales. Anyway great video, love your content! :)
On a second glance I am no longer sure if this is the case. Take aim improves the characters skill characteristic instead of adding +1 to hit roll. Unclear if this stacks. But I guess if we judge it rules as written to the letter, it would stack.
Yes, it does stack. Just found the "Rules commentary"PDF. It does not specifically say that they stack. But it does specify that these are 2 totally different things. The +1 -1 max modifier applies only to the roll being made. But before the roll in the case of Kriegers the BS has been already been buffed to 3+ and you only get a +1 to that roll. So in essence you can have Kriegers who have "2+ BS".
@@visgluigersskepticnorth9256 that rule was how i had a fun stacking idea in 9th for world eaters in the CSM codex. there was a few ways to increase the strength of berserkers and then a prayer for +1 to wound so they were at s7-8 so everything was minimum 4+ to wound with their 30+ melee attacks
wish I could play the tabletop (i'm from a country that wargamming is extremely rare and GW does not sell directly, they do ship but is expensive as hell), ever since I discovered 40k the Death Korp alongside Cadia are my favorites lore and gameplay wise.
So I’m a new player, looking to jump in on 10th, so sorry if I’m asking a dumb question here. Couldn’t these guys hit automatically on ones with sniper rifles? Between their self buff, heavy, and take aim? Or is there a rule that specifically prevents stacking to get results like that?
@Space Lizard True. I was meaning in relation to the hit roll though, which I should have stated to avoid said confusion. I don't think there are any exceptions to natural 1s always being a miss.
"fix your gasmasks and bayonets soldiers! we're goin over the top and the enemies of the emperor fall before our unstoppable wave assault...." - any random krieger officer
I got my Kriegers back in 2021 and now Im very happy I did. I’ve always thought the Krieg were interesting. It’s the brutal extreme of how humanity would cope with the end of existence as they know it.
Snipers being better stationary but as good as standard lasrifles makes sense, as the only real difference between most sniper weapons and their ICW equivalents is rate of fire. Usually not significantly heavier. Nice that my scratch-built Gangers are usable again, even the grenade launcher trooper.
Mordian is right about krieg getting a 3+ save. But just note you cannot improve your saving throw by more than +1. The order is a CHARACTERISTIC mod, so it doesn't count towards that.
Another point of contention is that double squad MAY get access to double medkit for 2d3 models returned per turn. Edit - Forced to eat my words mordian caught it already
It always lets you allocate a successful wound (not necessarily a critical one) to a Character in the unit you targeted, provided there's line of sight between the model making the attack and the Character to which you'd allocate the wound.
yes. They have a forge world command squad but it's the same rules. interestingly enough it becomes a way for you to add a heavy weapons team to the unit
I'm pretty keen to see how they perform I didn't think about ditching box casters for the plasma guns. Also I haven't been following the leaks but the +1 to hit and wound is going to be nice.
I love the idea of a plasma gun overheating frying a guy then the rest of the kriegers looking at the charred corpse and going hell yeah and fighting better.
No but yes. No, ogryn cannot attach to lord solar. They can only attach to command squads. They, in fact, die at the start of the game if they are not attached to a command squad. Yes, lord solar and a "platoon command squad" (the cadian command squad datasheet can only lead cadian shock troops) can lead a unit of Death Korps. Yes, lord solar counts as part of the unit and receives the 4+ feel no pain up until the ogryn dies or the death korps are wiped out. I think if you have a master vox lord solar also receives the 24" command range. The command squad and lord solar immediately split if the death korps unit is removed.
Wont people just make sure they kill a full squad at a time so you dont get the bonus or the regen? Also if you are bringing back you will actually reduce your bonus if you get too many, losing the +1 to wound or the +1 to hit if you completely recover the squad.. The 2cp strat to replace the squad after death definitely seems broken
@@spacelizard6770 if theres something more important then they will just target that first though? Meaning this squad wont get its bonuses because no lost models.. I mean they could still be a great unit but depending on points and how they perform outside the sort of vacuum/ ideal situation being talked about in the vid they could not be as good as they might seem.
Ok imagine thi on a 1000 points game 3 units od 20 death korps of krieg with command squad thats 75 models for 570 poins only 570 poits for middle table figth that are this dureble is bonkers mostly becouse if they die you are going to bring them back I love it
Sorry everyone I finally had the courage to buy a set of Death Korps of Krieg. My friends laugh at me because I didnt go for Death Guard or Sisters they have UltraMarines. My question is how to build a bigger army of Krieg already bought 2 Valkyrie Gunships. Any tips on destroying anyone or shutting up my friends. 😂thanks
Bring back the unit choices in the eighth edition Kodex, then for normal infantry squad, make it so they can have two special weapons of any type no special weapons, or a heavy weapon and special weapon like it was allowed make a bare-bones squad just be a Sgt with chainsword and loss, pistol, and a boxer caster. I don’t like the bills in the box. Don’t like the naming of unit choices after specific Regiment. Makes the eighth edition veterans squad a troop choice as it was it was perfect I don’t like how only one model in the guard and have a shot gun
it kinda sucks that GW makes Krieg OP, since a lot of guard players have already bought around 100 cadian or catachan models. I dont want to re-buy everything or proxy an entire army. I hope cadians or normal infantry squads are still good
We can't say if they are OP yet, yes they maybe powerful but they haven't revealed points cost. I really don't think which INFANTRY model you use should come down to who has a slight advantage with special weapons; Don't fear monger the "need" to change infantry models to just get a slight advantage. Even if DKoK is better than ALLLL the other infantry, if I already had ONE HUNDRED footman I wouldn't spend another dime because mine got slightly worse weapon options and rules. Even if I had Catachans before 9th, I couldn't imagine wasting money just to have the Cadian special rule, or the Krieg mini transhuman. Shifting the power scale of the models and making people who already invested in an army, invest into a new army is EXACTLY what they want to do. Turn humans into whales.
You can't stack the +1 to hit. It's always at most +1 to hit. This is in the Core Rules, page 21. Though I suppose if there's a -1 to hit for some reason having both is useful, because you can still end up with +1 to hit.
The Take Aim order doesn't grant a +1 to hit, it improves the Ballistic Skill of ranged weapons in the unit, meaning it stacks with anything granting a +1 to hit, taking it to 2+ BS if there are no negative modifiers.
@@arnekrug939 Yes it is. Mathematically the two things (improving BS by 1, or adding 1 to the hit roll) are identical, and so they've clearly worded the take aim rule that way to create an exception to the core rule that you can't ever add more than 1 to a hit roll. These sorts of convolutions add unnecessary complexity and confusion to the game, and don't really fit with the declared aim of "Simplified, not simple".
@@timothyharnedy4495 Mathematically it's the same but it's still a different mechanic so no exception here and I don't think that it's very confusing. Knowing what ballistic skill and modiefiers are is basic knowledge of the game. Ironically it sounds as though you would want to have it be an exception as to make it less confusing.
As someone who wouldn't complain if every single alt-righter pissed right off out of the hobby, someone would have to have their head up their bum to think playing Krieg reflects on anyone's political beliefs. If they paint them in historical WWII uniforms, complete with insignias? That's different, and that person shouldn't get the time of day. But I refuse to let a bunch of chuds ruin an entire army for me.
In the new edition, I was deciding which faction to play as. This channel solidified my choice of guard.
Welcome to the guard son
We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...
The guard made me the man I am today.
More meat for the grinder…
Get ready to embrace the suck. Our army sucks most the time.
Started collecting WH with a Krieg Kill Team box like a year ago, recently played my first 500~ pts games
Slowly but surely building a full Krieg army
What a great time to collect this boys
Literally just had my first 500 point battle last week, utterly dominated tau just by clogging them up the wazoo.
Good luck to your future engagements!
You can get cheap krieg units on wargaming exclusive
@@ghr501able you can't really do shipping to Russia, but thanks for advice :)
We kinda have a lot of "unofficial" and "illegal" options that's cheaper. Like, recasted krieg kill team squad for 16$. I compared it to my official kit and quality is amazing.
I'm not telling to buy from recasters, but there is not a lot of options to buy official stuff or get shipping from "overseas".
Local 3D printed stuff is even cheaper, got my 20 kasrkin + Creed for 12$.
@user-yg7uy5no2y don't feel too guilty about recasts. The more you learn about GW, the more their greed will astonish you
Always shoot with your Plasma first overcharged if your at full strength, if one guardsman dies, the rest get +1 to hit
That's so Death Korp. Imagine never rolling a 1 all game.
Korpsman: "Dammit! My plasma gun isn't overloading!"
Other guardsmen: "..."
Unfortunately hazardous tests are taken after the unit finishes shooting, so the +1 to hit will only apply in subsequent phases
I currently have 60 Death Korps of Krieg.
Clearly I need 60 more.
Would be great if your friendly regimental commissars could just off a guy in each unit at the start of the battle to make them aim straighter
AdMech Irradiates an area
Regular Guard: Cover!
Krieg: *happy gasmask noises*
I started out not too long ago towards the end of 9th right as the codex came out, i was collecting tons of krieg simply from how cool they were and knowing guard armies needed lots of boots. Glad to see my choices bearing fruit. Glory to the emperor for sending this great datasheet to the men of krieg
Same literally in the process of building a Kraig army
Worth noting as well that the Primaris Psyker's Psychic Barrier ability specifically states that on a roll of 1, the UNIT takes d3 mortals -- meaning you can just kill a couple of Krieg (triggering Grim Demeanour) and then bring them back with the medipack.
Also the Psyker gives them a 4+ FNP against psychic attacks lol.
i'm picturing the psyker exploding or bursting a blood vessle somewher and keeling over, then some krieger shakes his head and shoots him full of something and yanks him back up.
also note that all psyker abilities are psychic. so it is fair to assume, that both his overcharged psychic attack hazzard and his shield mishap is considered psychic as well. so you even get a 4+++ vs those MW, when they happen
I'm just starting a Guard army in 10th, and I'm glad the Kriegers have a nice stat line because they really appeal to me visually. I'm hoping they're costed cheaply enough to bring large hordes of them!
Better get a loan from the bank, for a horde army they are way too pricy.
You can find cheaper models and local book games store I've been getting them for 40 bucks
3d print them
Man I am so hyped for this edition and I love the death korps so much I am trying to build a full 2000 point army!
I have a bunch of Krieg extras if you'd be interested
@@gdrommel I am good but thanks for the offer
@gdrommel I'm interested. I only need 1 more squad of 10 and am missing 2 plasma and 2 grenade launchers and 2 sniper rifles for my other squads
I just finished the Krieg novel, so this is good timing.
"They fought, and the sounds of their pitched battle rand out across the gray wastes of their ravaged, irradiated world, for no one else to hear. A world that had not known peace for five hundred years, and never would again. A world whose very name meant 'war.'"
Love it. A wounded squad can be given FRFSRS instead of take aim, and have the benefits of both. I love it
I was playing my Krieg as Cadians because of the special weapons .
Now the vox caster isnt' worth much, 3x special weapons becomes worth it.
Especially since the Grenade Launcher can now murder stuff.
Honestly anything that is OP or an obvious best choice win at all cost unit makes me sad. Game should be more balanced army to army but also internally in the faction as well....
I'm working on a Krieg army for 10th Edition, but I'm only using FW models. I'm really hoping that the FW-culling doesn't hit my boys
It’s coming!
You can still biy from china
I've been a Krieger since 5e, had switched to mostly Marines in 8th and 9th, I'll be back to the boys in 10th.
please bring back Renegades and Heretics
seconded. standardize 40K beastmen and all the chaos analogs to guard. no orders though.
Don't know about rules, but if you want some Renegades & Heretics models, Wargames Atlantic is currently running a crowdfunding campaign for a series of plastic model kits heavily reminiscent of traitor guard. They call them "The Damned" (of the "Lost &..." variety), and the campaign already hit its initial funding goals. Now they're just unlocking stretch goals, like cavalry (Rough Riders), mid-sized artillery (Field Ordinance Batteries), female infantry, hounds (plus handlers), a mutation sprue, and maybe even troop transports (Chimera) and a tank (Leman Russ).
@Bluecho4 cool, but kit bashing is the way to go if you ask me. For such a unique army you should make them unique models.
@@spacelizard6770 I could see that maybe, but yeah GW is pretty trash at nuance.
Just buy from china
While Im very excited for 10th Krieg, and Im happy that they got what seems like a significant upgrade over the 9th edition, Im sad that they're moving further away from 8th Krieg.
8th Krieg really felt like they were accurate to their lore. Ignoring casualties (albeit just in the shooting phase) and being practically unbreakable. I was hoping we'd see some of that again in 10th, and i cant say that Im not a little disapointed that the Death Korp routs just as fast as any other guardsman.
Still, these are definitelly good changes, and Im very happy that my favorite army is becoming a lot more competent on the field!
Never really got over having my forgeworld dkok stripped down in 8th and then squatted into normal guardsmen armies. Had to deal with it happening to my Black Templar in 5th-6th and I just can't do it again.
well this didn't age well, as the DK marshall can trigger the bravery strate once per game for free. it is not commisar level of stubborness but it should be enough for the most important times. also considering that the DK medipack triggers at the start of the command phase, it can actually prevent batle shock from happening.
Now if only the models would had a decent price. 😢 I hope we get more dkok releases in 10th edition. Like dkok riders and engineer (and heavy weapon teams!)
My buddy and I played a game about a month ago.
My kriegers took zero casualties (well, they did, but came back to life) while devouring marine squads (and a terminator squad) in melee.
In a previous game vs my nephew, they did the same thing vs thunderwolf cavalry and a wolf lord... though they took enough casualties from thunderhammers to proc the below half strength bonus...
Ever though about using a inquisitor (one with a power fist/ demon hammer) have them grab a 10 man krieg with melta/plasma/Grenade launcher. serg plasma pistol / power sword. plus one random commish/ priest/ engineer. Have them jump out of a taurox Prime. All inquisitors can use any ride and use any battleline unit as a bodyguard. This would make sure everyone can reroll wounds when they jump out.
I'm currently building and painting 1000 points of DKoK for 10th with plans to expand to 2000 points and I'm glaad the basic Krieg infantry looks so usefull.
To be fair, Mordian, we don't know if Krieg will have the game loadout rules as they did in 9th edition. They might also get 4 special weapons-- the whole "vox or plasma" thing was a pretty bizarre choice to begin with
They revealed the other side of the back card in the stream. It still has the weird vox/plasma rule but in a 20 man squad you could potentially take 1 vox and 1 plasma if you really want the vox ability. It then allows 2 + 2 of the other special weapons.
Bizarrely the option to take the medi-pack was missing, which seems like it was potentially a mistake.
@@riyoriyote oh wow!! I haven't been able to find it.
That's so odd considering that's not even how that box works during assembly...
I hate the new “unit only has the options in its box”. Part of the fun was assembling the best unit layout with bits you traded for and conversions. Veteran squads were the best. They didn’t have a box so it was a real chance to make a colorful squad of hardened specialist with their own weapon load outs. I also miss heavy flamers. I run DKOK and I have 2 Grenadier heavy flamer teams on a heavy weapon base that I can’t run anymore.
@adamcarey6093 I think the new method is MUCH better for new players, and that's probably honestly a good thing. One of the largest complaints about 40k is the cost required to build optimized armies, and needing 4 copies of a unit just to get the right weapons was a big part of it.
@@adamcarey6093 I actually like the box contents thing, just not for the krieg plasma/vox issue - because they got it wrong. You can build both a vox and a plasma just by following the instructions. The plasma gun is given as a separate build option on a different model compared to the comms guy, and on top of that there's also the spotter who has an actual vox whereas the comms guy has the kill team sprue comms array.
So really it's just a weird choice that they imposed for no reason if they took a few minutes to look at the kit.
At the very least I'm happy I can have at least 1 plasma guy and 1 vox guy in my 20 man squads now.
Not to poop in anyone's trench, (and if im wrong, then cool) but... Given that this is smelling a little like another case of GW overbuffing to boost kit sales... I'd put money down that after this pushes a shit-ton of kits, the Death Korp will get FAQ/errata'd down to below cadians again. They've done this before
So I spent quite a while checking the full datasheet in the Index and I can't find the medipack in the list of equipment options, it's only mentioned in the equipment abilities. Sounds like they forgot to put in how to get a medipack (it'll probably be that for every 10 models in the unit, 1 Guardsman can take it in addition to his lasgun, and that it can't be the same dude with the vox-caster and that this model can't swap his lasgun for another weapon)
In the new app for army building, the DKOK squad Datasheets say they don't have the medic pack anymore, what is the right one?
Same question from my side
I've tried them twice now and oh my word they are so good. Add a Death Korps Marshal and you are laughing.
You forgot that if Command Squad contains HWT in it (you can include it insterad of 2 guardsmen), they start to overwatch on 4+, So the whole squad will also annihilate on overwatch.
Over watch on 4s is an ability from the heavy weapons squad, you don’t get that from including a heavy weapons team in infantry squads or command squads
honestly, I think my biggest beef is the medipack. I know I shouldn't be mad, but I'm so mad about how badly they've slapped my dedbois and DG.
These guys make Cadians look like a freaking joke. The only reason to take Cadians is sticky objectives unless they're comparatively very cheap.
Well, Canadians are jokes.
They abandoned their world as soon as it stopped being a paradises.
Even after the 13th crusade, it is still nicer the Kreig.
As Death Korps cost the same as an Infantry squad (65pt for 10 models) I fully expect GW to errata the medi-pack to be once per game.
They are already arguably better than an Infantry Squad as they can have more heavy weapons so allowing the medi-pack to be used multiple times is just silly.
@Naeron66 valid. I'd just up their price a bit though. They aren't inherently tougher than an infantry squad, so upcosting a bit lays in the risk. If the enemy is intelligent and focuses/wipes a DKoK brick, then the extra expense and medipacks are up in smoke.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Agreed, maybe 70/140 pts would be a good first step.
Though I miss the 7th edition profile, the 10th edition profile has got me weeping tears of joy. You just can't see them because I still have my gas mask on...
cool video! but i’m a bit fuzzy on the core rules here:
- can you improve BS/WS by more than 1 in 10th?
- is there a limit to how many characters you can add to each squad? i feel like it’s either-or between the command squad and the primaris psyker.
- can you order battleshocked units? if not, i think grim demeanor will realistically not stack with take aim a lot of times.
1. You cannot improve ballistic skill more than 1 the key here is noticing the rules and what it affects a plus one to hit is different than improving the BS therefore they stack
2. Every data sheet has an option saying how many leaders may be included typically a ten man can have one and a twenty man can have 2
3. Battleshocked units cannot be ordered and cannot receive stratagems, however this brings about why I think people undervalue the commissar, who will not only activate grim demeanor by executing a korps man but also remove battle shock from the unit as a whole.
Hope this helps
Me the second I saw the "Grim Demanour" ability:
- This is where the fun begins! Time to do a wall of infantry.
(Btw... F for other guard regiments, and regiment-unique abilities. Miss peeps like Vostroyans, Tallarnians, Steel Legionnaires, Valhallans and Chem-dogs)
I want a battle report from you my guy I'm looking at 6 squads of korps krieg with some leman russ and chimera
Hey MordianGlory, i start collecting IG. Quick Question, where do you get that D3 revive from?
I cant find the Medipack or Ability?
Thanks for the great content.
Any new models coming?! Outside of the kill team or the $$$$ FW
I will definitely run my Penal Legion as Death Korps now, instead of as Cadians. Not sure if I want to make Penal Legion command Squads though, but they will definitely have Commissars, and maybe even a Psyker.
TMI for my brain to process... this unit will be OP! Can't wait for guard hordes again, this guys will be the spine of those lists
Holy shit. I was worried about the flamer melta combo but melta and flamers wounding on 4s and 3s is going to be awesome. 5 squads with 20 a pack is going to be spicy. I can run some cadians as well for objective control.
Wait.. flamers must roll to hit in 10th?
@@VorTheRhino typo I meant wounding. I'll edit it.
So 20 man Krieg squad with attached command squad and lord solar possible?
Yes 100%
Currently painting my DKoK army. Working on the combat engies rn
They doo look good, but some parts are a bit fragile and it's a shame they only have 5 sculpts.
Now way this'll hold up in the new codex; I can hear the lamentations of all other armies already XD
One note. "A Hit roll can never be modified by more than -1 or +1."
So the unit is maxed out at BS 3+ and wont get further use from take aim if they are under full strength. I know there are situations where it can still be useful, but the main thing is that they can newer hit on a 2+. Kreags men are still bonkers good, and probably way under costed to drive model sales.
Anyway great video, love your content! :)
On a second glance I am no longer sure if this is the case.
Take aim improves the characters skill characteristic instead of adding +1 to hit roll. Unclear if this stacks. But I guess if we judge it rules as written to the letter, it would stack.
Yes, it does stack. Just found the "Rules commentary"PDF. It does not specifically say that they stack. But it does specify that these are 2 totally different things. The +1 -1 max modifier applies only to the roll being made. But before the roll in the case of Kriegers the BS has been already been buffed to 3+ and you only get a +1 to that roll. So in essence you can have Kriegers who have "2+ BS".
@@visgluigersskepticnorth9256 that rule was how i had a fun stacking idea in 9th for world eaters in the CSM codex. there was a few ways to increase the strength of berserkers and then a prayer for +1 to wound so they were at s7-8 so everything was minimum 4+ to wound with their 30+ melee attacks
wish I could play the tabletop (i'm from a country that wargamming is extremely rare and GW does not sell directly, they do ship but is expensive as hell), ever since I discovered 40k the Death Korp alongside Cadia are my favorites lore and gameplay wise.
Draw shovels guardsmen the Emperor is calling.
We'll know in a couple of days if they can really be Brood Brothers too.
So out of curiosity, are you gonna take a look at the grenadiers? I know they're legends models but it'd still be nice to get your opinions on 'em
Traitor guard krieg oh boy. That’s cooking with gas, toxic fumes and big explodey things.
Seriously considering using this star block to represent my chemdawgs.
So I’m a new player, looking to jump in on 10th, so sorry if I’m asking a dumb question here. Couldn’t these guys hit automatically on ones with sniper rifles? Between their self buff, heavy, and take aim? Or is there a rule that specifically prevents stacking to get results like that?
Natural 1s are always a fail
@Space Lizard True. I was meaning in relation to the hit roll though, which I should have stated to avoid said confusion. I don't think there are any exceptions to natural 1s always being a miss.
"fix your gasmasks and bayonets soldiers! we're goin over the top and the enemies of the emperor fall before our unstoppable wave assault...." - any random krieger officer
I got my Kriegers back in 2021 and now Im very happy I did. I’ve always thought the Krieg were interesting. It’s the brutal extreme of how humanity would cope with the end of existence as they know it.
Will I be able to say my cadians are kriegers at a tournament or will I have to rebuy my entire infantry?
Snipers being better stationary but as good as standard lasrifles makes sense, as the only real difference between most sniper weapons and their ICW equivalents is rate of fire. Usually not significantly heavier.
Nice that my scratch-built Gangers are usable again, even the grenade launcher trooper.
@@spacelizard6770 Meant more in an Optimal Loadout sense than a Model Legality sense, as they are mostly GW sculpts.
You cannot stack +1 though. The new core rules starte that stats cannot increase more than +1 or -1
One is a stat increase (increase bs by1) the other is a hit roll modifier
Mordian is right about krieg getting a 3+ save.
But just note you cannot improve your saving throw by more than +1.
The order is a CHARACTERISTIC mod, so it doesn't count towards that.
I have 4 units that need to be built to start my Korp I guess now I have motivation
I have been loyal to Krieg for so long...... *ready to die for the Emperor intensifies*
Another point of contention is that double squad MAY get access to double medkit for 2d3 models returned per turn. Edit - Forced to eat my words mordian caught it already
Just built 20 for a kill team - with all the options. Is that a decent place to start?
They took the Medi pack out of the reference app. Did it go away?
Stil unclear how much medipacks you can bring. I cant find it in de datacard. Did I miss it? Does anyone know?
I love this and I'm building a huge DKOK army
8 years of collecting kriegs its going to give me some rewards. For the Emperor!
I have a question about precision, does it activate on wound roll of 6 or does it always target the leader/characters.
It always lets you allocate a successful wound (not necessarily a critical one) to a Character in the unit you targeted, provided there's line of sight between the model making the attack and the Character to which you'd allocate the wound.
I think the design team mixed up the plans for Death Corpse and Skitarii...
Isn't "Take Aim!" limited to a max of 3+? Meaning that if you already have +1 to hit due to not being full strength it is wasted on that unit?
what is the best set up for a 10 man squad and what weapons should you bring
It's probably grenade launcher and plasma for this edition
@@jasongarfitt1147 thx
Can they be combine with cadian ? I'm a beginer ^^
Cannot believe that kreg run on the same as any old graud unit
Did 10th drop Combat Engineers? Are they just fancy Krieg Infantry squads now?
I really want to start a catachan army, if not a death korps one, cause I've got a lot of stls, but I've no clue how to build an army for them.
Aegis defence line will give them a 4+ invul also
can't wait to see Krieg gameplays!
No volt pistol on the unit card ???
Can you add a generic command squad to a krieg infantry unit?
yes. They have a forge world command squad but it's the same rules. interestingly enough it becomes a way for you to add a heavy weapons team to the unit
I'm pretty keen to see how they perform I didn't think about ditching box casters for the plasma guns. Also I haven't been following the leaks but the +1 to hit and wound is going to be nice.
I love the idea of a plasma gun overheating frying a guy then the rest of the kriegers looking at the charred corpse and going hell yeah and fighting better.
I will definitely bring all the death korps
So what I'm hearing is that I need to start a Krieg army...
Can a Lord Solar with an Ogryn Bodyguard join a unit of deathkorp of krieg with a platoon command squad?
No but yes. No, ogryn cannot attach to lord solar. They can only attach to command squads. They, in fact, die at the start of the game if they are not attached to a command squad. Yes, lord solar and a "platoon command squad" (the cadian command squad datasheet can only lead cadian shock troops) can lead a unit of Death Korps. Yes, lord solar counts as part of the unit and receives the 4+ feel no pain up until the ogryn dies or the death korps are wiped out. I think if you have a master vox lord solar also receives the 24" command range. The command squad and lord solar immediately split if the death korps unit is removed.
Wont people just make sure they kill a full squad at a time so you dont get the bonus or the regen?
Also if you are bringing back you will actually reduce your bonus if you get too many, losing the +1 to wound or the +1 to hit if you completely recover the squad..
The 2cp strat to replace the squad after death definitely seems broken
@@spacelizard6770 if theres something more important then they will just target that first though? Meaning this squad wont get its bonuses because no lost models..
I mean they could still be a great unit but depending on points and how they perform outside the sort of vacuum/ ideal situation being talked about in the vid they could not be as good as they might seem.
Put a 20 man Krieg infantry onto lord solar and he’ll be nearly tough as nails to kill
KRIEG REPRESENT WITH THE GUARD SPAM
This is good. Glad I have 150 dkok infantry
Ok imagine thi on a 1000 points game
3 units od 20 death korps of krieg with command squad thats 75 models for 570 poins
only 570 poits for middle table figth that are this dureble is bonkers mostly becouse if they die you are going to bring them back
I love it
Hmmm…they have since this removed the medi-pack completely from the datasheet
Sorry everyone I finally had the courage to buy a set of Death Korps of Krieg. My friends laugh at me because I didnt go for Death Guard or Sisters they have UltraMarines. My question is how to build a bigger army of Krieg already bought 2 Valkyrie Gunships. Any tips on destroying anyone or shutting up my friends. 😂thanks
Its fate ive been using krieg for two editions their time to shine
dear god. After the 'nid index, where they took away all the warrior options, I thought it would happen to everyone, but no
Come on you krieg, you wanna live forever?!?
Painting 60 of them now
Well, I know what I’m proxying me infantry as.
yeah.... initially thought that, but doesn´t feel cool
I was gonna start ripping my vox casters to bits on my Cadians, but decided not to since they’re probably gonna get nerfed.
@@joevoe4914 true
Bring back the unit choices in the eighth edition Kodex, then for normal infantry squad, make it so they can have two special weapons of any type no special weapons, or a heavy weapon and special weapon like it was allowed make a bare-bones squad just be a Sgt with chainsword and loss, pistol, and a boxer caster. I don’t like the bills in the box. Don’t like the naming of unit choices after specific Regiment.
Makes the eighth edition veterans squad a troop choice as it was it was perfect I don’t like how only one model in the guard and have a shot gun
Lets gooooo the krieg be looking great
Where is the Bolter, boltpistol or Plasmapistol for the watchmaster?
I dont think deathkorps will be OP.
Medipack should have been like the command squad one and not necron reanimation
Martyrdom goes burr
it kinda sucks that GW makes Krieg OP, since a lot of guard players have already bought around 100 cadian or catachan models. I dont want to re-buy everything or proxy an entire army. I hope cadians or normal infantry squads are still good
We can't say if they are OP yet, yes they maybe powerful but they haven't revealed points cost. I really don't think which INFANTRY model you use should come down to who has a slight advantage with special weapons; Don't fear monger the "need" to change infantry models to just get a slight advantage. Even if DKoK is better than ALLLL the other infantry, if I already had ONE HUNDRED footman I wouldn't spend another dime because mine got slightly worse weapon options and rules. Even if I had Catachans before 9th, I couldn't imagine wasting money just to have the Cadian special rule, or the Krieg mini transhuman. Shifting the power scale of the models and making people who already invested in an army, invest into a new army is EXACTLY what they want to do. Turn humans into whales.
@@dominicl5862 thanks man. I have a mixture of old plastic cadians and catachan, all painted orange like a penal legion 😅
@@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 see and you got a cool custom thing going on, that's awesome, I wouldn't give that up. 🤙🏾
Happy Gasmask Noises
You can't stack the +1 to hit. It's always at most +1 to hit. This is in the Core Rules, page 21. Though I suppose if there's a -1 to hit for some reason having both is useful, because you can still end up with +1 to hit.
The Take Aim order doesn't grant a +1 to hit, it improves the Ballistic Skill of ranged weapons in the unit, meaning it stacks with anything granting a +1 to hit, taking it to 2+ BS if there are no negative modifiers.
@@matiasyannuzzi9655 Huh. That is typical of GW. They've never written a rule that they didn't create an exception to. What a mess!
@@timothyharnedy4495 It's not an exception though.
@@arnekrug939 Yes it is. Mathematically the two things (improving BS by 1, or adding 1 to the hit roll) are identical, and so they've clearly worded the take aim rule that way to create an exception to the core rule that you can't ever add more than 1 to a hit roll.
These sorts of convolutions add unnecessary complexity and confusion to the game, and don't really fit with the declared aim of "Simplified, not simple".
@@timothyharnedy4495 Mathematically it's the same but it's still a different mechanic so no exception here and I don't think that it's very confusing.
Knowing what ballistic skill and modiefiers are is basic knowledge of the game.
Ironically it sounds as though you would want to have it be an exception as to make it less confusing.
Mid winter minis be complaining about all the new players going as Kreig. “Seems like there’s more alt right players than ever.” Lmao.
Why would anyone even acknowledge a comment that stupid?
@Middla mockery of a bad take is only natural.
As someone who wouldn't complain if every single alt-righter pissed right off out of the hobby, someone would have to have their head up their bum to think playing Krieg reflects on anyone's political beliefs. If they paint them in historical WWII uniforms, complete with insignias? That's different, and that person shouldn't get the time of day. But I refuse to let a bunch of chuds ruin an entire army for me.
@@Fisthammet Wait you're saying Guy actually wasn't being sarcastic when he said that? 😂