For Lord Solar, in particular, there is a before lore impression and an after lore impression. Seeing Lord Solar for the first time, I would rate a 0/3 for the before lore because he sticks out like a sore thumb from the regiments and a 2/3 after reading what he does. There are some moments in books that show he's not perfect like he fumbles his pistol after a Tyrannid Norn Emissary ambushes his marching line. He does his best to spare no expenses to increase the chance of victory like personally bargaining with knight houses to join this war effort. He made inspirational videos to show to guardsmen to increase morale and sometimes rode his horse to each regiment that was about to fight to personally give a speech/sermon. That, in my opinion, is a pretty cool dude like a guardsman at heart. Also, Ursula Creed looking like a lunch lady is the most apt description I have never heard until today.
The biggest leader of the guard being a guy who "likes the average guardsman" and gets how they are is totally against the spirit of the faction though. They're meant to be an uncaring machine of ruthless, pitiless mathematics of war, where those in charge, really in charge, don't give a damn and just spreadsheet their ways to victory, totally beyond the scope oft he men dying in their millions. The ones who DO care like Gaunt are purposefully kept at a lower level so they have a system to buck against. Leontus being all "he's actually a swell guy and cares about the men" just undermines the entire point of the guard's horror and darkness as an organisation.
@@Retrosicotte True, GW does seem to want their new models/units to be more PC such as not having any conscripts/youth platoons anymore. I think GW is trying to make Lord Solar the same as Gaunt, he does have high status but not the same as the High Lords of Terra who are the ones working against him most of the time by reducing the regiment size. I think Lord Solar embodies the same mindset as what Mordian Glory said: "At the end of the day your Guardsman will die however it is your responsibility to send them where to die." Lord Solar knows they're going to die but he still gives a speech to them. Creed, Yarrick, and Ciaphas Cain are also in the same boat and have popular books but I do understand wanting a more grimdark feel for the universe. On that note, what would you think if Yarrick became Lord Solar as Mordian stated in the video?
@@steelxspider5274 A Lord Solar really shouldn't have any "responsibility" at all. Look back at Macharius, the entire point of his character was he achieved his greatness on the backs of others' deaths, and was the one lauded for it until he broke his own army's ability to go on. Everyone feels something is "off" about Leontus, and it's that, he's just a generic good guy and that really doesn't fit for his position. A grizzled old, ruthless man atop a steed glaring out at the countless lives he is commanding, weathered into seeing only the math, would have been far more emotively impactful as it would fit better with the faction. It's why Ursula works better in her visual, she looks like someone who counts worlds, not people.
@@mattyorshin I’m an orks man myself, but I find going through every single faction would help me understand them more and just generally raise interest in them. Even this video was awesome!
I just dislike named characters, because they "steal" my ability to have my own personalized force. That is why I have alternative models and names for them, even if I put the "correct ones" in the army list to pass to my opponent. Customization has always been my favourite part of any game, esp Warhammer, and the ubiquity of named characters is the antithesis of that.
Definitely in agreement! I like doing minor tweaks to models to make them personal enough to become an original character and then just use a Named Characters statsheet for the actual abilities they provide. I love seeing other people use original characters too!
I have a bunch of kit bashed models that have their own names but I use a named data sheet. I tend to keep them the same gender but it helps me use the cool data sheets without having to stick to an aesthetic I may not like ( or want to pay for)
@@desgildanphi8825 Mine is equipped with six special weapons, three plasma pistols (taskmasters/marshal) plenty of las, and psycher maelstrom. That, and great OC, increased output as they die (Grim Demeanor), and restore wounds from Medipack. It’s worth it in many cases of controlling the battlefield.
Totaly agree.. This Unit as mitfield objective control ia huge... They are insane tough and have a lot of fire power with plasma/ melta and are perfekt for strategem as field of fire
@@mahel3643 exactly. Spending a strat to change their save in your opponent’s turn is also really strong, as I can give them +1 to their save for both shooting (so if they are in cover, AP 0 puts them at a 3+, or in melee they have a better chance of surviving a charge.
Man, Auspex, who rarely plays, giving the Manticore a 4/5 while Mordian, who plays basically every week, gives it a 2.5 is by far the most accurate thing to my experience. I've gone to 5 events this year so far. 4 RTTs and a GT. Every time I've only won 1 game out of 3. Various reasons why, including my own lack of experience and holes in my collection, but every single game I've won was because I took 2 Basilisks. Yet, *without fail* someone who doesn't even play Guard will come up to me and say "if you dropped those Basilisks and took 2 Manticores you'd have won all you games." Including the 2 events where I took a Manticore and it did less than a full squad of Space Marines in wounds over 8 games.
Tbh in hindsight I should have rated the manticore a little lower, I think Mordian had it better on that one! I think it's partly me having trouble adjusting from the idea of not being able to buff them to hitting on 2+ with lethal hits any more. I'd not change from my 'four' for the basilisk though, great debuff rule, but post artillery nerf its damage REALLY dropped off. The first 5-6 top performing guard lists post-update seem to have opted not to take one. Takes it off a 'five' for me.
@@auspextactics The “but it hits on 2s rerolling” argument is certainly one I heard a lot from people, who were then astounded that the Leman Russ Battle Tank could hit on 3+ rerolling even easier with basically the same gun, while bringing Multi-Meltas and a Lascannon to bear at the same time. At the end of the day, the Manticore’s damage is not very good for the points compared to a Leman Russ, and thats been true for a while. The Basilisk is also not an amazing Damage dealer, but its the utility of the -2 movement that really comes in to play and wins game. I apologize if I came off as condescending in my first comment, by the way. I had meant that Mordian just has a lot more boots on the ground experience with the Guard specifically, whereas your specialty is more broad across all factions.
For my Lord Solar, I've kitbashed a Tauros Venator into a sort of Tallarn command jeep. I juat need to raise it up by about an inch, and set it at an angle to fit on the 80mm base.
@@davidbrand7316 I'll admit I've not done much. I'm still considering how I want to do the turret (include the weapons, or get rid of them?) but I mostly just added aquilas and replaced enforcer heads with kasrkin/officer heads while covering their bodies. I may also use some green stuff (If I get some) to do a Tallarn headscarf. For the elevation, I'm going to try and model a dune of some sort to get the right height and angle. Alternatively, I could create a mound of detritus and leftover sprues and whatnot, and try to make that work.
Love this, I think you should definitely do more collaborations. Especially when it comes to covering armies you don’t frequently play, I think it’s a wonderful idea to get some of the best players of that faction to get their take.
@@ranch2970 this guys a joke! Auspex and Mordian are so classy. I think your talking about that bolt action thing comment about not feeling comfortable playing the Germans. Honestly that was one of the lowest IQ takes I ever heard in my life. I fully support Mordian on his take and 110% agree.
Personally, I like both versions of the Sentinel equally. The Scout Sentinel has Scout 9" move, move 10" and the special rule that assist your army, but the Armoured one has T8 and 2+ save, and the "Mobile Hunter-Killers" for some cheap and effective deterent units. 130 pts for 2 Lascannons and 2 Hunter-Killer missiles, rerolling wounds, is quite good for anti-tank, especially since it usually requires several Lascannon shots or Hunterkiller missiles in return just to take out a single model(2+ save and cover). And now that they get Lethals against all targets, you can also take 195 pts worth of Armoured Sentinels, give them Plasma Cannons, and just murder any target. Infantry formations gets blasted(on average, you get 12 shots against a 10-14 model formation), while vehicles and monsters take some Hunter-Killers and several Plasma Cannon shots. The Scout version can get the same weapons, but lacks the rerolling wounds against monsters and vehicles, so the efficiency falls off in that regard, and they are taken out a bit faster as well. And when they are finally killed, you just bring them back for 2 CP. I have seen a pair of Armoured Sentinels hold up an entire flank, because the opponent could not kill them quickly in melee. As for other things, I think the best option for the Heavy Weapons Squad now is the Missile Launcher and being a cheap 60 pts distraction. Sit them far back as a screener unit and as an opportunistic shooter. If the opponent targets them with long range fire, they will, at best, remove 60 pts worth of models. If ignored, they can fire 3 Krak or 3 Frag missiles at targets that get within their sights with lethal hits against non-monsters and vehicles. Even the S9 Krak Missiles can take out various transports, support vehicles, small monsters or elites, making the unit enough of a threat that you cant ignore them forever. The Mortar version will do a bit better vs regular infantry(higher strength, option for indirect fire), but much worse against anything else.
@@marcialrodriguez6285 While near a Platoon-type unit(the infantry battleline units), but yes. They wont always do a lot, but for 60 pts, they will often make back their points either through direct damage, or through being a distraction/diverting damage away from more important units.
I have been running Shadowsword+Banesword since the start of the edition, i love them. The rest is just Solar Command Squad (with a x10 DKoK) + x5 20 models DKoK, a couple of Scout Sentinels and a DKoK Marshal (or max Marshal but reducing 2 DKoK from 20 to 10). Pretty much variations of this makes me happy.
The valk has good play since in hover w/ 20in move you can get in you opp face and move block and with a stat line that makes it a mini russ it can be suprisingly difficult to take out and if it does you drop 10 inf. If the opp tries to move block you, simply fly over and take the mid board behind them. Since in hover it loses the aircraft keyword and rules associated with aircraft you can score engage and behind. The problem is the price and keywords, if it got dropped 30 pts or gained the squadron keyword i think it would be a viable choice and make air cav work
I have used it twice to take the centre objective to good outcomes. First with an infantry squad and second time with ogryns. The ogryns then also got into dakka-range with -2 AP so it felt good! And I almost always charge in with the Valk to tie up an enemy big unit and also effectively giving the enemy -1 to hit me since I'm in combat. The Valks shooting is bad enough that having -1 doesn't ruin the day either. Powerplay would be to give it +1 OC from lord Solar and do actions!
@@karlnygren Ive done the exact thing with charging my valks and it almost always catched my opponent off guard. No one expects you to pull a carter from Halo Reach. Since leaders can give orders when they disembark dropping a scion squad using grav chute my be worthwhile since you can use take cover and bring them to a 3+ sv and remain stationary in your move to make use of drill commander
@@navitgator16add in Tank Shock and wow, something is hurting 😁 Using grav chute like that requires putting your scions in harm's way, either for shooting or a charge, so a little to situational for me. For me the reason to do it could be with rapid ingress of the Valk and then drop out closer than 9" from the enemy to grab an objective you couldn't reach and score it in your turn. But still situational. Or to protect the Valk from a charge, but it's usually better to let the scions be not locked in combat.. so, still a hard to use ability.
Completely agree with Mordian on Scions vs. 3rd ed Storm Troopers. I still prefer Kasrkin but Storm Troopers were definitely cooler than these riveted fools who looks like they dropped out of some ancient European castle. Do they even come with enough helmeted heads? Just nah
1/3 on Lore, Cool Model for Creed? C'mon, fellow guardsmen! I honestly thought, holistically, her book was pretty decent. Easy 2/3. Castellan is a 4/5 for Gameplay for the fallback and shoot plus sustained hits. It's a great frontline commander. Regimental Attache are great if you bring artillery and aircraft, as I often do. Plus that Astropath deepstrike denial is GREAT to keep that backline or even... middle of the battlefield clear! Easy 3/5 for me. Ratlings, 2.5 for me. They are great Space Marine killers and mid-table harassing unit. Wyvern, 2/5. It's -1 to ALL HITS on the opponents Infantry unit hit can really diminish their ability to be offensive on key units, especially with Battleline being more prevalent in Pariah Nexus.
@@CadianSergeantSteel In my local meta, other armies are slowly realizing how fragile the lord Solar blob is and often becomes the first target for their 1cp 3 inch deep strike stratagems so having the attaches denial range is strong. Also how many armies have a 1 CP 3 in deep strike now? Besides T’au which for some reason has to pay 2 CP for it.
Agreed on Castellans for sure! 45 points for orders is a good rate also and having the extra firepower on top of the take aim! is just amazing. I think they generally outperform command squads, no joke.
I want to watch to this; but to see any content on my 6yr boxed up Guard army hurts my soul. Even if I can't watch it, I'm sure you did a good job and the collaboration went well, cheers.
Great video, really enjoyed this one! Imperial Guard are one of my favourite armies to play against, always like to do a bit of killing and a bit of dying 😂 I'd love to see a collaboration video with Proxy Hammer down the line when the Eldar codex comes out 👍
Eradicator is a sleeper, running two of them and they are great. Lots of shots with ignores cover and Urban Warfare means I'm not scared of getting tied up. Also great against medium strength units
This was a great video idea AT. You should continue this theme with popular faction-specific RUclipsrs. Just some examples but maybe ProxyHammer or Skari for Aeldari/Drukhari and Exile Wargaming for Harlequins. HappyKrumpin Wargaming would be great for Orks, 40K Dirtbags for Chaos/Grey Knights.
You two are my favourite 40k RUclipsrs, so always happy to see you collab. This was a great video as I work to figure out how to increase my 1k army to 2k.
I love the tech priest, never had to make em repair something but he once beat a squad of daemonettes to a pulp after they had managed to score one wound on a shadowsword
Cadian Castellan with Drill Commander leading 10 Kasrkin is 5/5 for me... 2 Orders (Kasrkin have one by them selfs) sustained hits and lethal from born soldier on a 5+ when stationary and one attack more with rapid fire weapon do to command killed one sqaut of eightbound last game in one round
Imo all tournaments should explicitly set up their board terrain such that every model in the game will have one path at least to move on. I don't think that would be hard to do and it wouldn't even necessarily reduce the density they would just need to consider placement. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that a tournament can pretend to be competitive essentially removing models from play by explicit choices they make that differ from GW.
Something I'm looking at with the servitors is a unit of Kasrkin as a base with a Cadian Castellan and Enginseer w/ Servitors that are rocking a heavy bolter and multi-melta. Then toss all of that into a Hades Breaching Drill. I think it will do well with the Born Soldiers change.
Really nice to hear the collaboration and i think the video was great as it was. However, i think this collaboration would be improved if there was a bit more discussion between rhe two of you, rather than just separate commentary on each unit without any interaction. This video was huge and perhaps it would be even longer if you did a discussion as i suggest. So much information in this so thank you both!
I agree, but actually mostly because he brings a lot of fun to the table. My opponents are almost always surprised when he one shots something and that is worth a lot 😁
The ogryn bodyguards are pretty great ive found, having a 20 man blob with a command squad and a psyker means having a 20 man squad bieng wounded on T6 with a 4 up invun means you can give movement orders to get up onto objectives quick while being tough to move. And kasrkin buff stacks with ursulas. So kasrkin can have 3 orders. Again having a psyker attatched to them as well means 3+ save 4+ invun 3 shots each hitting on 2+ makes them devastating. With plasma or meltaguns. Has won me loads of games
I remember I had a game against a Guard list that had Ratlings (I was playing Chaos Marines), where the only thing they achieved was shaving two wounds off of one of my Lords. I actually forgot about them until my opponent picked them off the table at the end of the game lol.
HWS with mortars is still brutal against any flavor of elves (speaking as aeldari player myself). Recently played a game and just a single squad destroyed both of my rangers squads in two turns. Yeah, it was a bit of a highroll on my opponents side, but still - 5 0 1 shots can absolutely threaten the many fragile units eldar have running around
Scions are my favorite guard unit. Been running loads of 10 man squads with 2 CS and some Taurox primes. And i like to back them up with a russ or two. All around been having a blast with them.
Ursula Creed is only 55 points? That is the price of a Warlock Skyrunner or Techmarine, cheaper than a Sorcerer or SM Lieutenant. Yes, the lore of being a unique character doesn't sit well, but at that price, I'd have her bossing a unit of Guard in every game, it is only wise. Special snowflake is annoying, I'd carve the 'Cadia' off her standard, kitbash a little, and call her a particularly accomplished Colonel or something. She'd earn a name after a victory. besides, I like the model. She's there to lead, not to be a pin up. Also, glad you are here, Mr. Glory. I subscribe to your channel too, of course. Goodness me, Guard have so many cool models. I like the Regimental Attaches, heh. And Carl Weathers from Predator as the Catachan Colonel. He's the man.
Yeah I love that Ursula's bulldog face is deliberately tough and ugly. Much better than most of GW's female heads (cough SOB) that try to be pretty and fail.
I have kitbashed her. I cut off the whole Cadia insignia, it is a tattered flag now, and she is holding a big buffalo hat in her left hand instead of the binoculars. (I had to cut off and reattach the hand to make it palms up) She is now a glorious colonel of Vostroya!
So, I have 34 Guardsmen and 3 heavy weapons models. Originally I was going to run a 20 block of guard, a 10 block of guard, and a 3 man heavy weapons squad. But would it be better to run it as: 14 guard, 2 sergeants, 2 heavy weapons. 7 guard, 1 sergeant, 1 heavy weapon. 9 guard, 1 sergeant? Worth noting that 2 guardsmen are true spares from a friend who didn’t need them, 2 of them would be the basic dudes taken out of a Command Squad. But breaking up the command squad could justify making its leader a “Cadian castellan” (he has a plasma pistol and energy sword, seems fine to me).
What?! As I live & breathe!!!! Lord Solar AND Lord Solar BOTH doing a massive collab to talk Guard?! Tis truly a marvel of the Modern RUclips World!!!!
25:57 split the mortar datasheet from the others. Give the others +1T or +1 save for the emplacement and gun shields. Give the mortar some form of support ability.
How to fix Aircraft in 10th Edition: if they have the Aircraft keyword in the deployment phase, they have to start in strategic reserve. However, when deployed from strategic reserves they can be setup anywhere in the board that is more than 5 (or possibly 3) inches away horizontally from enemy models.
For creed I relay wish we could split the model and cool factor form the lore. Because yes, lore she kind of just feel like replacement Creed. But model wise I'm glad to see a rare militarum women and to me the "lunch lady" look is more of a plus as every other officer we have are old-ish (juvenat is complicated) dude with either very bulky, practical or flamboyant look so I like that she has this very practical, military cadian look to her instead of some weird dimorphism they could have gone with.
As a avid guard player since 2014 My personal opinion tanks are above everything but I agree with a lot of your guyses points in game strength lore and that doesn't matter what i think
I will point out a VERY good use case for armoured sentinels, you can bring them as singles, so you have 2-3 single's that are now 65 point walls, you can see that the enemies are making moves in some direction with more trashy-meat wall infantry like boys, and just run this thing infront of them and completely block off their advance until their low-to-no AP infantry manages to eventually, if ever, to bash through this heavy-flamer wielding, chainsaw toting 2+ save 8 T wall, and given that most dedicated melee like boyz are 4 S and 1 AP, that's VERY unlikely rolls to actually wound let alone damage these things. Not to mention the inconvenience of then having to dedicate ACTUAL AT to just deal with this 65 trash-bucket is really annoying, if you brought out a shadowsword or some other super-duper AT unit as your main/only AT, having to waste an entire turn to just deal with one of these is a absolute pain, let alone 2-3 of them spread across the board, I have had these pests tank an entire flurry of blows from a squad of terminators with power fists and it STILL lived, absurd
Ah I see no forgeworld, but if you would be willing I would love to hear both of your perspectives on the stand alone Artillery Howitzers. Especially the Earthshaker Carriage Battery
Seems like a 0 / 5 to me. You save 20 points over a Basilisk.. but it's half the speed, worse armor, worse toughness, far less wounds, no bolter / missile / stubber etc..
I think I can safely say guard have the most iconic vehicles in almost ALL categories? Basilisk? No contest. Valkyrie? Despite being rubbish, its miles away of next flyer in cool factor. Tank? Perhaps others might be better looking, but its crystal clear Leman Russ IS the 40k main tank. Titanic? Name one more iconic than the BANEBLADE. The only two categories we might not win are transport (chimera vs falcon or rhino), and walker (sentinel vs dreadnought).
For Lord Solar, in particular, there is a before lore impression and an after lore impression. Seeing Lord Solar for the first time, I would rate a 0/3 for the before lore because he sticks out like a sore thumb from the regiments and a 2/3 after reading what he does. There are some moments in books that show he's not perfect like he fumbles his pistol after a Tyrannid Norn Emissary ambushes his marching line. He does his best to spare no expenses to increase the chance of victory like personally bargaining with knight houses to join this war effort. He made inspirational videos to show to guardsmen to increase morale and sometimes rode his horse to each regiment that was about to fight to personally give a speech/sermon. That, in my opinion, is a pretty cool dude like a guardsman at heart.
Also, Ursula Creed looking like a lunch lady is the most apt description I have never heard until today.
The biggest leader of the guard being a guy who "likes the average guardsman" and gets how they are is totally against the spirit of the faction though. They're meant to be an uncaring machine of ruthless, pitiless mathematics of war, where those in charge, really in charge, don't give a damn and just spreadsheet their ways to victory, totally beyond the scope oft he men dying in their millions. The ones who DO care like Gaunt are purposefully kept at a lower level so they have a system to buck against. Leontus being all "he's actually a swell guy and cares about the men" just undermines the entire point of the guard's horror and darkness as an organisation.
@@Retrosicotte True, GW does seem to want their new models/units to be more PC such as not having any conscripts/youth platoons anymore. I think GW is trying to make Lord Solar the same as Gaunt, he does have high status but not the same as the High Lords of Terra who are the ones working against him most of the time by reducing the regiment size. I think Lord Solar embodies the same mindset as what Mordian Glory said: "At the end of the day your Guardsman will die however it is your responsibility to send them where to die." Lord Solar knows they're going to die but he still gives a speech to them.
Creed, Yarrick, and Ciaphas Cain are also in the same boat and have popular books but I do understand wanting a more grimdark feel for the universe.
On that note, what would you think if Yarrick became Lord Solar as Mordian stated in the video?
@@steelxspider5274 A Lord Solar really shouldn't have any "responsibility" at all. Look back at Macharius, the entire point of his character was he achieved his greatness on the backs of others' deaths, and was the one lauded for it until he broke his own army's ability to go on. Everyone feels something is "off" about Leontus, and it's that, he's just a generic good guy and that really doesn't fit for his position. A grizzled old, ruthless man atop a steed glaring out at the countless lives he is commanding, weathered into seeing only the math, would have been far more emotively impactful as it would fit better with the faction. It's why Ursula works better in her visual, she looks like someone who counts worlds, not people.
In which books does he appear?
@@aleehomedition8165 I think it’s called Leviathan by Darius. There’s a adeptusridiculis video on it.
Should 100% make this video for every faction. Get guests for each one! Would be a blast!
Tyranids next would be awesome
@@mattyorshin I’m an orks man myself, but I find going through every single faction would help me understand them more and just generally raise interest in them. Even this video was awesome!
@@Kzakzak yea loved this vid though still watching it while painting tyranids lol
Why? Guard is the only faction that matters
@@comrade_commissar3794 how else would guard players understand the power of sly marbo if not studying his foes carefully?
I just dislike named characters, because they "steal" my ability to have my own personalized force. That is why I have alternative models and names for them, even if I put the "correct ones" in the army list to pass to my opponent. Customization has always been my favourite part of any game, esp Warhammer, and the ubiquity of named characters is the antithesis of that.
Definitely in agreement! I like doing minor tweaks to models to make them personal enough to become an original character and then just use a Named Characters statsheet for the actual abilities they provide. I love seeing other people use original characters too!
I have a bunch of kit bashed models that have their own names but I use a named data sheet. I tend to keep them the same gender but it helps me use the cool data sheets without having to stick to an aesthetic I may not like ( or want to pay for)
A crossover we need but don't deserve
@@ranch2970 You seem to have posted at least 5 separate comments with these claims, yet you provide no evidence
@technomancer106 what claims? Can't see the reply
@@shinkiro403 that dude simply accused Mordian harassing anoter youtuber
A doublecrossover, or whatever you want to call it when both have appeared on the other's channel.
So awesome to see two of my favorite Warhammer RUclipsrs working together!
Primaris Psychar with Death Marshal and 20 Krieg is a brick of pure power
To be honest that's one of the ones I wish I'd gone a little higher on given hindsight haha :)
But mighty expensive tho that an entire Rogal Dorn you giving up
@@desgildanphi8825 Mine is equipped with six special weapons, three plasma pistols (taskmasters/marshal) plenty of las, and psycher maelstrom. That, and great OC, increased output as they die (Grim Demeanor), and restore wounds from Medipack. It’s worth it in many cases of controlling the battlefield.
Totaly agree.. This Unit as mitfield objective control ia huge... They are insane tough and have a lot of fire power with plasma/ melta and are perfekt for strategem as field of fire
@@mahel3643 exactly. Spending a strat to change their save in your opponent’s turn is also really strong, as I can give them +1 to their save for both shooting (so if they are in cover, AP 0 puts them at a 3+, or in melee they have a better chance of surviving a charge.
Man, Auspex, who rarely plays, giving the Manticore a 4/5 while Mordian, who plays basically every week, gives it a 2.5 is by far the most accurate thing to my experience.
I've gone to 5 events this year so far. 4 RTTs and a GT. Every time I've only won 1 game out of 3. Various reasons why, including my own lack of experience and holes in my collection, but every single game I've won was because I took 2 Basilisks. Yet, *without fail* someone who doesn't even play Guard will come up to me and say "if you dropped those Basilisks and took 2 Manticores you'd have won all you games." Including the 2 events where I took a Manticore and it did less than a full squad of Space Marines in wounds over 8 games.
That 1.5 divide is extremely telling.
Same goes for the abyssal chasm of difference of -/+ 1 point for the Basilisk rankings.
Well, i’f argue manticore is very useful vs lots of termis. But they rarely start deployed, so not even then
Tbh in hindsight I should have rated the manticore a little lower, I think Mordian had it better on that one! I think it's partly me having trouble adjusting from the idea of not being able to buff them to hitting on 2+ with lethal hits any more. I'd not change from my 'four' for the basilisk though, great debuff rule, but post artillery nerf its damage REALLY dropped off. The first 5-6 top performing guard lists post-update seem to have opted not to take one. Takes it off a 'five' for me.
@@auspextactics The “but it hits on 2s rerolling” argument is certainly one I heard a lot from people, who were then astounded that the Leman Russ Battle Tank could hit on 3+ rerolling even easier with basically the same gun, while bringing Multi-Meltas and a Lascannon to bear at the same time. At the end of the day, the Manticore’s damage is not very good for the points compared to a Leman Russ, and thats been true for a while. The Basilisk is also not an amazing Damage dealer, but its the utility of the -2 movement that really comes in to play and wins game.
I apologize if I came off as condescending in my first comment, by the way. I had meant that Mordian just has a lot more boots on the ground experience with the Guard specifically, whereas your specialty is more broad across all factions.
my two favorite warhammer youtubers talking about my favorite faction!? Is this heaven?
what a time to be alive!
The most hilarious tactic is to use 20 catachan + Straken + primaris psyker (or preacher) + Hades drill and deep strike them into enemy line
Straken 20 catachan Command squad and nork is the real play
@@Gromeish agree but that almost 300pt so kind of pricy
@@desgildanphi8825You mean kind of spicy* 🥵
Primaris psykers are just a great addition they are like giving a squad an additional 4 to 6 plasma guns plus a 4 invun.
All for such a low cost.
Glad to see Mordian Glory as your guest! Love his sense of humor when he does battle reports.
For my Lord Solar, I've kitbashed a Tauros Venator into a sort of Tallarn command jeep. I juat need to raise it up by about an inch, and set it at an angle to fit on the 80mm base.
Would love to see this! Been thinking of doing something similar but can't quite picture it in my head
@@davidbrand7316 I'll admit I've not done much. I'm still considering how I want to do the turret (include the weapons, or get rid of them?) but I mostly just added aquilas and replaced enforcer heads with kasrkin/officer heads while covering their bodies. I may also use some green stuff (If I get some) to do a Tallarn headscarf.
For the elevation, I'm going to try and model a dune of some sort to get the right height and angle. Alternatively, I could create a mound of detritus and leftover sprues and whatnot, and try to make that work.
Oh no. There goes my sleep yet again...
Same bro, same.
Love this, I think you should definitely do more collaborations. Especially when it comes to covering armies you don’t frequently play, I think it’s a wonderful idea to get some of the best players of that faction to get their take.
I miss Creed and Kell. I wish they would just make the death strike good its a bloody nuke
They should make it count as a special character, and then it could be good.
Great collaboration! love both these channels!!!
Yeah the guy who threatened a painting youtube and his wife.
@@ranch2970 No offence good sir, but that’s just false
@@ranch2970 you ok?
@@ranch2970can we just get rid of this guy out of the comments. Spamming his BS is starting to P me off
@@ranch2970 this guys a joke! Auspex and Mordian are so classy. I think your talking about that bolt action thing comment about not feeling comfortable playing the Germans. Honestly that was one of the lowest IQ takes I ever heard in my life. I fully support Mordian on his take and 110% agree.
You know what i want the sentinels to have to option of the chainsword or a heavy stubber underneath it. I think it can work
Ursula gives me vibes of Mrs. Trunchbull.
Oh, that could be the result after a sweaty night with Ursula and Straken..
Personally, I like both versions of the Sentinel equally.
The Scout Sentinel has Scout 9" move, move 10" and the special rule that assist your army, but the Armoured one has T8 and 2+ save, and the "Mobile Hunter-Killers" for some cheap and effective deterent units.
130 pts for 2 Lascannons and 2 Hunter-Killer missiles, rerolling wounds, is quite good for anti-tank, especially since it usually requires several Lascannon shots or Hunterkiller missiles in return just to take out a single model(2+ save and cover).
And now that they get Lethals against all targets, you can also take 195 pts worth of Armoured Sentinels, give them Plasma Cannons, and just murder any target. Infantry formations gets blasted(on average, you get 12 shots against a 10-14 model formation), while vehicles and monsters take some Hunter-Killers and several Plasma Cannon shots. The Scout version can get the same weapons, but lacks the rerolling wounds against monsters and vehicles, so the efficiency falls off in that regard, and they are taken out a bit faster as well.
And when they are finally killed, you just bring them back for 2 CP.
I have seen a pair of Armoured Sentinels hold up an entire flank, because the opponent could not kill them quickly in melee.
As for other things, I think the best option for the Heavy Weapons Squad now is the Missile Launcher and being a cheap 60 pts distraction. Sit them far back as a screener unit and as an opportunistic shooter. If the opponent targets them with long range fire, they will, at best, remove 60 pts worth of models. If ignored, they can fire 3 Krak or 3 Frag missiles at targets that get within their sights with lethal hits against non-monsters and vehicles. Even the S9 Krak Missiles can take out various transports, support vehicles, small monsters or elites, making the unit enough of a threat that you cant ignore them forever.
The Mortar version will do a bit better vs regular infantry(higher strength, option for indirect fire), but much worse against anything else.
And remember!, 4+ in overwatch! while near a regiment unit
@@marcialrodriguez6285 While near a Platoon-type unit(the infantry battleline units), but yes.
They wont always do a lot, but for 60 pts, they will often make back their points either through direct damage, or through being a distraction/diverting damage away from more important units.
@@fendelphi sorry yes, and platoon command squad xD
My two favorite people on RUclips yet again in another great video.
I have been running Shadowsword+Banesword since the start of the edition, i love them. The rest is just Solar Command Squad (with a x10 DKoK) + x5 20 models DKoK, a couple of Scout Sentinels and a DKoK Marshal (or max Marshal but reducing 2 DKoK from 20 to 10). Pretty much variations of this makes me happy.
I bet people hate playing you though now LOL
The valk has good play since in hover w/ 20in move you can get in you opp face and move block and with a stat line that makes it a mini russ it can be suprisingly difficult to take out and if it does you drop 10 inf.
If the opp tries to move block you, simply fly over and take the mid board behind them.
Since in hover it loses the aircraft keyword and rules associated with aircraft you can score engage and behind.
The problem is the price and keywords, if it got dropped 30 pts or gained the squadron keyword i think it would be a viable choice and make air cav work
I have used it twice to take the centre objective to good outcomes. First with an infantry squad and second time with ogryns. The ogryns then also got into dakka-range with -2 AP so it felt good!
And I almost always charge in with the Valk to tie up an enemy big unit and also effectively giving the enemy -1 to hit me since I'm in combat. The Valks shooting is bad enough that having -1 doesn't ruin the day either.
Powerplay would be to give it +1 OC from lord Solar and do actions!
@@karlnygren Ive done the exact thing with charging my valks and it almost always catched my opponent off guard. No one expects you to pull a carter from Halo Reach.
Since leaders can give orders when they disembark dropping a scion squad using grav chute my be worthwhile since you can use take cover and bring them to a 3+ sv and remain stationary in your move to make use of drill commander
@@navitgator16add in Tank Shock and wow, something is hurting 😁
Using grav chute like that requires putting your scions in harm's way, either for shooting or a charge, so a little to situational for me.
For me the reason to do it could be with rapid ingress of the Valk and then drop out closer than 9" from the enemy to grab an objective you couldn't reach and score it in your turn. But still situational. Or to protect the Valk from a charge, but it's usually better to let the scions be not locked in combat.. so, still a hard to use ability.
Completely agree with Mordian on Scions vs. 3rd ed Storm Troopers. I still prefer Kasrkin but Storm Troopers were definitely cooler than these riveted fools who looks like they dropped out of some ancient European castle. Do they even come with enough helmeted heads? Just nah
They do come with enough helmets if that's what you want. In my humble opinion, might as well go full out and put everyone in a beret though
1/3 on Lore, Cool Model for Creed? C'mon, fellow guardsmen! I honestly thought, holistically, her book was pretty decent. Easy 2/3.
Castellan is a 4/5 for Gameplay for the fallback and shoot plus sustained hits. It's a great frontline commander.
Regimental Attache are great if you bring artillery and aircraft, as I often do. Plus that Astropath deepstrike denial is GREAT to keep that backline or even... middle of the battlefield clear! Easy 3/5 for me.
Ratlings, 2.5 for me. They are great Space Marine killers and mid-table harassing unit.
Wyvern, 2/5. It's -1 to ALL HITS on the opponents Infantry unit hit can really diminish their ability to be offensive on key units, especially with Battleline being more prevalent in Pariah Nexus.
@@CadianSergeantSteel In my local meta, other armies are slowly realizing how fragile the lord Solar blob is and often becomes the first target for their 1cp 3 inch deep strike stratagems so having the attaches denial range is strong. Also how many armies have a 1 CP 3 in deep strike now? Besides T’au which for some reason has to pay 2 CP for it.
Agreed on Castellans for sure! 45 points for orders is a good rate also and having the extra firepower on top of the take aim! is just amazing. I think they generally outperform command squads, no joke.
o7 CadianSargentSteel!
Love your content 🫡
@@joelwashere5382 he's the best cadian sgt! xD
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“Would you entrust a weapon to such a poor marksman” A Dark Angel winning the dissing contest
Watching this as I assemble my first leman russ (a 2009 demolisher). I couldn't have asked for a more fitting video
The style and teamwork to make this is fantastic. Excellent review.
I want to watch to this; but to see any content on my 6yr boxed up Guard army hurts my soul. Even if I can't watch it, I'm sure you did a good job and the collaboration went well, cheers.
Sentinel squad: We weren't expecting special forces.
Scion squad: Well we wouldn't be here if you could handle teddy bears with fucking sticks.
Great video, really enjoyed this one! Imperial Guard are one of my favourite armies to play against, always like to do a bit of killing and a bit of dying 😂 I'd love to see a collaboration video with Proxy Hammer down the line when the Eldar codex comes out 👍
2:40 It should've been Macharius
Eradicator is a sleeper, running two of them and they are great. Lots of shots with ignores cover and Urban Warfare means I'm not scared of getting tied up. Also great against medium strength units
Oh, amazing collaboration. Thanks for making this video
Awesome to see a collaboration with two of my favourite 40k youtubers, mordian glory and auspex!
Thank you guys!
This was a great video idea AT. You should continue this theme with popular faction-specific RUclipsrs. Just some examples but maybe ProxyHammer or Skari for Aeldari/Drukhari and Exile Wargaming for Harlequins.
HappyKrumpin Wargaming would be great for Orks, 40K Dirtbags for Chaos/Grey Knights.
You two are my favourite 40k RUclipsrs, so always happy to see you collab. This was a great video as I work to figure out how to increase my 1k army to 2k.
I love the tech priest, never had to make em repair something but he once beat a squad of daemonettes to a pulp after they had managed to score one wound on a shadowsword
LOVE THIS CROSSOVER.
More of this please! Do Tau with the folk from the Puretide Programme!
Cadian Castellan with Drill Commander leading 10 Kasrkin is 5/5 for me... 2 Orders (Kasrkin have one by them selfs) sustained hits and lethal from born soldier on a 5+ when stationary and one attack more with rapid fire weapon do to command killed one sqaut of eightbound last game in one round
Outstanding collaboration, I am a big fan of Auspex and Mordian. Thank you for doing this.
Imo all tournaments should explicitly set up their board terrain such that every model in the game will have one path at least to move on. I don't think that would be hard to do and it wouldn't even necessarily reduce the density they would just need to consider placement. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that a tournament can pretend to be competitive essentially removing models from play by explicit choices they make that differ from GW.
Something I'm looking at with the servitors is a unit of Kasrkin as a base with a Cadian Castellan and Enginseer w/ Servitors that are rocking a heavy bolter and multi-melta.
Then toss all of that into a Hades Breaching Drill. I think it will do well with the Born Soldiers change.
Eh, not really feeling it. Needs a huge area that the enemy didn't screen, and 110 points for the drill to get some T3 guys up close..
Really nice to hear the collaboration and i think the video was great as it was. However, i think this collaboration would be improved if there was a bit more discussion between rhe two of you, rather than just separate commentary on each unit without any interaction. This video was huge and perhaps it would be even longer if you did a discussion as i suggest. So much information in this so thank you both!
There's an easy way to justify a commissar showing up behind enemy lines by his lonesome.
It's called the Caine Protocol 😂
Good work on the audio for this. Too many collab videos have one person loud and the other inaudible.
An exceptional video, well put together with good hosts.
Thank you for doing these. I'm tempted to start a guard army but it can be overwhelming with all the choices.
Pointwise - Iron Hand Straken is be far the most useful character for the guard.
I agree, but actually mostly because he brings a lot of fun to the table. My opponents are almost always surprised when he one shots something and that is worth a lot 😁
Cool video, but I prefer the visual advantages and disadvantages to read while listening!
What a great video really sums up the guard without getting too dense.
Didn’t expect this cross over but am loving it!
What a delightful crossover.
Never would have guessed that You watch/know of Mordian
Great, the lunch lady descriptor is so apt for Ursula I'll have to call her that from now on.
Upon sight the MG colab I like the video thats my style sir
I would probably convert that Lord Solar model and use it as Lord Solar on the data sheet, but pretend it’s a Krieg Marshal.
The ogryn bodyguards are pretty great ive found, having a 20 man blob with a command squad and a psyker means having a 20 man squad bieng wounded on T6 with a 4 up invun means you can give movement orders to get up onto objectives quick while being tough to move.
And kasrkin buff stacks with ursulas. So kasrkin can have 3 orders. Again having a psyker attatched to them as well means 3+ save 4+ invun 3 shots each hitting on 2+ makes them devastating. With plasma or meltaguns. Has won me loads of games
I remember I had a game against a Guard list that had Ratlings (I was playing Chaos Marines), where the only thing they achieved was shaving two wounds off of one of my Lords. I actually forgot about them until my opponent picked them off the table at the end of the game lol.
This must be one of the best cross overs iv ever had the privilege to witness!
Thanks! Great info and collab
This filled the mordian glory hole in my heart!
oh no...
Auspex Tactics and Mordian Glory is the best bromance on RUclips, fr.
HWS with mortars is still brutal against any flavor of elves (speaking as aeldari player myself). Recently played a game and just a single squad destroyed both of my rangers squads in two turns. Yeah, it was a bit of a highroll on my opponents side, but still - 5 0 1 shots can absolutely threaten the many fragile units eldar have running around
I feel like they are using heavy armored units to go against infentry killing units, the HWS do really well against infentry for how little they cost.
Scions are my favorite guard unit. Been running loads of 10 man squads with 2 CS and some Taurox primes. And i like to back them up with a russ or two. All around been having a blast with them.
Omg! This collab is a dream come true!
Ursula Creed is only 55 points? That is the price of a Warlock Skyrunner or Techmarine, cheaper than a Sorcerer or SM Lieutenant. Yes, the lore of being a unique character doesn't sit well, but at that price, I'd have her bossing a unit of Guard in every game, it is only wise. Special snowflake is annoying, I'd carve the 'Cadia' off her standard, kitbash a little, and call her a particularly accomplished Colonel or something. She'd earn a name after a victory. besides, I like the model. She's there to lead, not to be a pin up.
Also, glad you are here, Mr. Glory. I subscribe to your channel too, of course. Goodness me, Guard have so many cool models. I like the Regimental Attaches, heh. And Carl Weathers from Predator as the Catachan Colonel. He's the man.
Yeah I love that Ursula's bulldog face is deliberately tough and ugly. Much better than most of GW's female heads (cough SOB) that try to be pretty and fail.
I have kitbashed her. I cut off the whole Cadia insignia, it is a tattered flag now, and she is holding a big buffalo hat in her left hand instead of the binoculars. (I had to cut off and reattach the hand to make it palms up) She is now a glorious colonel of Vostroya!
I love the Scion love love they’re freaking awesome
You and BA Commander should do a collab like this for Blood Angels! Would love to see that
So, I have 34 Guardsmen and 3 heavy weapons models.
Originally I was going to run a 20 block of guard, a 10 block of guard, and a 3 man heavy weapons squad.
But would it be better to run it as:
14 guard, 2 sergeants, 2 heavy weapons.
7 guard, 1 sergeant, 1 heavy weapon.
9 guard, 1 sergeant?
Worth noting that 2 guardsmen are true spares from a friend who didn’t need them, 2 of them would be the basic dudes taken out of a Command Squad. But breaking up the command squad could justify making its leader a “Cadian castellan” (he has a plasma pistol and energy sword, seems fine to me).
What do you mean a “20 block” of guard? As in 20 dudes in one squad? Because that isn’t a thing.
@@comrade_commissar3794 18 Guard + 2 sergeants
@@comrade_commissar379418 normal guard + 2 sergeants
@@comrade_commissar3794yes it is.
@@grimfist_one The largest infantry squad you can have is 10 dudes. Conscripts ain’t a thing anymore, and they couldn’t take heavy weapons anyway
25:57 I think we'll the word auxiliary stuff is what makes a WW2 (or WW1) army and makes it guard.
What?!
As I live & breathe!!!!
Lord Solar AND Lord Solar BOTH doing a massive collab to talk Guard?!
Tis truly a marvel of the Modern RUclips World!!!!
Railings, hellhounds, sly and ogryns are very cool and have been since 2nd Ed.
Wyvryns are just a sad reminder that we don’t have griffons anymore
I don't think anyone would ever mind a Griffon being a counts as Wyvern
You can take griffons from legends
Hope you have MG back for whenever the Guard Codex ends up dropping, man’s knows his guard and this video was a lot of fun!
As a guard main faction player I can't wait to build some models and watch this (Shout-out to Mordian Glory!)
I'd like to see a version of this with all the non-Index Guard units. Death Korps Marshals, Grenadiers, Malcadors, etc.
25:57 The man, the myth, the legend: 6/5, 4/3
Krieg blobs with all those special weapons are nice they just auto wound infantry which is what you shoot them at all the time anyways.
I'm a simple man, I hear Mordian Glory I click like. Doing my part!
Fingers crossed the regimental attaches navy officer might actually be useful with the new inquisitorial codex
32:37 My Krieg armies usually make room for Sly Otto.
*Listiger Markus
As a Malcador fan, I'd love to see you tackle the Forge World models. 😀
25:57 split the mortar datasheet from the others. Give the others +1T or +1 save for the emplacement and gun shields. Give the mortar some form of support ability.
How to fix Aircraft in 10th Edition: if they have the Aircraft keyword in the deployment phase, they have to start in strategic reserve. However, when deployed from strategic reserves they can be setup anywhere in the board that is more than 5 (or possibly 3) inches away horizontally from enemy models.
Or allow them to make an actual move from any table edge when they would be deployed, that way bombers are not totally gimped.
Auspex Tactics and Mordian Glory crossover before GTA6?!? Hell yeah I dig it
100% agree on lord solar lore. Should have been Yarrick or Yarricks son out for revenge to give the galaxy the ultimate revenge cheek clap.
Taurox model should have just been a halftrack. Conversion kits that put two beefy wheels on the front axle completely change how this vehicle looks.
For creed I relay wish we could split the model and cool factor form the lore. Because yes, lore she kind of just feel like replacement Creed. But model wise I'm glad to see a rare militarum women and to me the "lunch lady" look is more of a plus as every other officer we have are old-ish (juvenat is complicated) dude with either very bulky, practical or flamboyant look so I like that she has this very practical, military cadian look to her instead of some weird dimorphism they could have gone with.
Your guys's battle report guard versus guard was pretty awesome 🫡🪖
25:57 me starting the edition with my two TCs being an Executioner and a Demolisher 😎
Ooooh just when i finished painting 2nd infantry squad of Kriegers
Legendary crossover! Thanks 😊
Mordian, doomhammer always gets its melta bonus damage!
Kasrkin are some of the best looking models
As a avid guard player since 2014 My personal opinion tanks are above everything but I agree with a lot of your guyses points in game strength lore and that doesn't matter what i think
we want to see you guys wrestle
I will point out a VERY good use case for armoured sentinels, you can bring them as singles, so you have 2-3 single's that are now 65 point walls, you can see that the enemies are making moves in some direction with more trashy-meat wall infantry like boys, and just run this thing infront of them and completely block off their advance until their low-to-no AP infantry manages to eventually, if ever, to bash through this heavy-flamer wielding, chainsaw toting 2+ save 8 T wall, and given that most dedicated melee like boyz are 4 S and 1 AP, that's VERY unlikely rolls to actually wound let alone damage these things.
Not to mention the inconvenience of then having to dedicate ACTUAL AT to just deal with this 65 trash-bucket is really annoying, if you brought out a shadowsword or some other super-duper AT unit as your main/only AT, having to waste an entire turn to just deal with one of these is a absolute pain, let alone 2-3 of them spread across the board, I have had these pests tank an entire flurry of blows from a squad of terminators with power fists and it STILL lived, absurd
This is such a great Collab. More mordian content!
This team up right here is everything I’ve ever wanted for 40K
Ah I see no forgeworld, but if you would be willing I would love to hear both of your perspectives on the stand alone Artillery Howitzers. Especially the Earthshaker Carriage Battery
Seems like a 0 / 5 to me.
You save 20 points over a Basilisk.. but it's half the speed, worse armor, worse toughness, far less wounds, no bolter / missile / stubber etc..
I think I can safely say guard have the most iconic vehicles in almost ALL categories?
Basilisk? No contest. Valkyrie? Despite being rubbish, its miles away of next flyer in cool factor. Tank? Perhaps others might be better looking, but its crystal clear Leman Russ IS the 40k main tank. Titanic? Name one more iconic than the BANEBLADE.
The only two categories we might not win are transport (chimera vs falcon or rhino), and walker (sentinel vs dreadnought).
As a GSC player I appreciate this video