Marc Lamont Hill Interviews Key Opponent of Critical Race Theory
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2021
- Marc Lamont Hill sits down with Christopher F. Rufo, a contributing editor for City Journal and a senior fellow of the Manhattan Institute, for an extended conversation on why he’s a prominent opponent of Critical Race Theory being taught in schools.
Rufo says Critical Race Theory is “state-sanctioned racism.”
“Teaching history, teaching context, teaching competing viewpoints is good. But what is not good is taking an ideology like Critical Race Theory, turning it into official dogma and then compelling students to believe in ideas like race essentialism, racial superiority theory,” Rufo says.
Hill pushes back on Rufo’s claim that is what CRT teaches.
“Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans,” per Brittanica.
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Candace: "Can men give birth?"
Marc: "it depends."
Never forget how much of a doofus this man is.
Then why are you wasting your God given precious time watching this???
@Ace Shabazz Just a heads up, the KKK were Democrats.
@@jimborghini2761 just a heads up the kkk was white in general
@@markscott2956 And your point is?
@@colinw7205 I just like to get different points of view from time to time.
Since when do people feel the need to ''validate'' their skin color by saying something positive about it?
I've literally never, ever heard anyone say anything like this to anyone of any skin color until now. "Name something good about being YOUR color!" The question itself is inherently racist and drips with condescension.
@@MST3Killa If I were Rufo, I would respond by asking Marc Lamont Hill to name one negative thing about blackness - an inherent attribute of blackness - which non-black people are allowed to discuss in any setting, government, non-profit, academia, etc. without being accused of racism ?
Blackness through CRT becomes beyond criticism, like God. CRT is a religious shield and naked power play. Which makes sense in the context of practitioners of CRT speaking of blackness in superhuman, even divine terms.
@@asunduko1 It's an attempt to create a caste system that carves a racial exception to everything (logic and reason included). Take a gander at what some of the old racist Dixie Democrats used to preach and you might be surprised how similar it is to this.
@@asunduko1 very good point.
Critical Race Theory is simply racism at its core.
This is very good. These two are coming from opposite sides with sense, reason, and mutual respect. We need more of that these days.
Yes, but the gentleman on the right does not appear to be listening. Marc's comments at the end are spot-on. These things exist as much as me might not want them to, and ignoring them, or pretending they don't exist and don't happen will not resolve the problem of racism.
"Sense and reason"?? Phooey! Nothing but ideology from Hill.
@@philipclock Explain why if you can. Seems it's the guy on the right who refuses to explain his position and is only spooning out ideology.
Trust me there was no mutual respect. He was being a gracious host.
Rufo did not answer questions. He kept pointing to strawman examples, such as the "Asian academic". The question was about suspensions and punishment levels, not a premise that Blacks don't achieve academic prowess as a demographic. The intrinsic assumption of Rufo is that he does not have to invest in learning what Lamont is saying because he can share an example that supports his position. Mind you, Rufo is a young man of a certain age and likely of a level of privilege where he does not have the lived experience of living in a lower class environment where the intersection of poverty and race connects people and illuminates the reality of a lack of privilege and the subsequent disparities.
I grew up in the 70's. By the time we got to the 90's, people really started forgetting what "struggling" is. Hyper-individualism became popular allowing people to ignore the hardships of others.
Mr. Marc, You are an informed, articulate, and respectful interviewer. Thank you!
You tried to bait him at the end... he didn't fall for your bs question.
No bait and switch. Facts.
@J Win
Learn the meaning of racist before you use it.
@J Win You're a racist?
@@sherriebyese8597 , which meaning? The meaning we've used for hundreds of years, or whatever BS ever-changing meaning the left uses to define it?
This host (Marc) is using real racism to address non-existent racism ("systemic racism" or "institutional racism"). This is the strategy of those that wish to demoralize, destabilize, and conquer. These are the tactics of critical theory, CRT, or marxism. These are the tactics of the insane left.
People like you that buy into it become nothing more than tools, useful idiots..
Facts are facts uncomfortable much
Privilege: Being able to talk about your genetics without being called a racist.
REALLY? That's a privilege? news to me...
@@tripodurra Lol we used to have that privilege, it got revoked by racists like OP who pretend to be the victim. Every dictatorship started by useful idiots like him being convinced his group is victimized. No self-awareness.
BINGO
@Red Black I am ignorant to your peoples history when it comes to the British and I have a question. I want to know how the British are viewed by your fellow Irish? Are they ok and over the destruction of your people or are the British viewed in a lesser than positive light for what they did?
@Red Black it’s clear you hear what you want to hear and ignore what’s really said.
Thank you Marc Lamont Hill for this insightful interview with Chris Rufo. It seemed for a while that Rufo was not being challenged on his vagueness with regard to race and whiteness. You brought it home in your close with real passion and with historical, political and intellectual clarity.
Unfortunately lamont claim of all this racial discrimination doesn't exist he is the best example 😂
Why EXACTLY are you thanking him ?
Are you thanking him for continually keeping black people, and people in general, in this
BASS ACKWARDS WAY of thinking ?
It's a SHAME that black people CAN'T see past their own skin color.
( AND YES I'M BLACK ! )
And all they are doing is, inviting and welcoming people to WALLOW IN THEIR SELF PITY with them. Look what happened to me. 😭😭😭😭
BASICALLY !
And if this.... Lamont was truly smart, as his suit suggests. He would know,
Blacks were enslaving other blacks for capital gains to Arabs.
At least a WHOLE CENTURY before whites ever thought about doing it, for their own gains. BUT.....
Like he and other
BRAINWASHED INDIVIDUALS...
They are STUCK in a
Democratic Way of Thinking.
The democratic planned-tation !
Just STUCK in stupidity.
But passing it off as... being intelligent. AKA-----
WOKE ! WHAT A CROCK !
CLASS DISMISSED ! 🔔
@BleyBlairactually if you look at the diversity in this country and many laws that specifically benefit a specific race that discriminate against the others its obvious it proves opposite of what Marc claimed 😂😂😂
You didn't understand his point then
Man that was fantastic throughout and especially at the end. Excellent work Marc! I've always followed your work and will continue to seek out your stuff. You always come through for black people and honesty in general.
Damn admitting you're a racist. Pretty brave.
marc is the best example that whiteness is privilege don't exist just look at marc 😂
Racism is not dead but its on life support -kept alive by politicians, race hustler, and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as racist
Thomas sowell
He's just your typical Democrat grifter who makes a living telling black people they are oppressed while doing absolutely nothing to help them. You're gullible.
When Marc asked the question: "What is something positive about being white?" Then proceeded to talk about all these positive things he would attribute to being black, he does not seem to realize that he is attributing cultural characteristics to skin color. As in, culture defined by race. I'm this color of skin, thus this is my culture.
I believe this idea of "black culture" - "white culture" is a racially decisive ideaology. People are individuals ahnd skin color should not be how we categorize people's cultural traits.
"people are individuals", yes!
However, people ARE ALSO NATURALLY of groups/race!
No individual is self-conceiving, is self-birthing. And for sure no "individual" brings himself to a state of self-sufficient adult by himself.
This ignorant and nonsensical overrating of 'individualism' is just that, ignorance and nonsense!
Anyway, you can blame the ignorance and ill-will of europeans for the introduction of racism on the planet; because if we go back a few short millennia ago, racism did not seem to be an issue whenever the races interact.
There was no talk of 'racial superiority' until the ignorance and deep-seated ill-will of european began to dominate on the planet..
@@nirbija how do you address historical slavery then? There must have always been a justification for defining others as sub human.
I agree with you to a certain extent but find it hard to believe that this idea started with one specific group of people.
@@nirbija Amen!!! And this is EXACTLY why we need CRT taught in school!
@@whirlyfilms8357 Your confusion is a perfect example of why we NEED CRT taught in schools!
@@nirbija when people says “people are individuals”, they mean that people should be JUDGED individually, independent of what physical features belong to what groups one can define. You’ve defined the phrase as if the phrase is suggesting people live in a vacuum, which is obviously not true. You’ve created a straw man.
And we can agree to your origin story of the word racism. But the concept of alienating others that look different from you or behave differently than you (ie are of different cultures), that is a human trait. We’ve all been fighting with each based on some arbitrary choice of what defines us as a group where others don’t fit in. All humans have done this. Saying only whites have done this is, well racist.
Ethnicity is not identity. Identity is character. Character is more important than melanin and so called opportunistic privilege.
Meaning you don't know even how to define an identity. It's easy to write here😄.
Your right, but thats not exactly how it works for African Americans. Just think about it. Dr. King was saying the same thing your saying....right? It doesnt change the reality for blacks though. This country/ government has never taken full responsibility for its inhumane activity. So white citizens find it difficult to even reflect on the actual history without sugar coating it.?
@@jonathanvigil1273 You oppose the white people, why not oppose the rich that put you there? Classism would be much more acceptable than being racist. People think they are punching up but keep punching sideways when everyone is standing in the same shit pile.
@@Tilearian I never said I oppose " white people"
Not at all. What I think is funny and sad at the same time is that we have been saying because of Americas racist past and formation, non whites have faced much discrimination and violence but now because many non white groups are agreeing on a solution through education as a way to understand their oppression somehow the tables are flipped and we are now abusing whites and now you are the victims?? !lol The truth is , is that many white people cannot deal with the realities of history are now experiencing cognitive dissonance because they were never taught the truth. If so, we wouldn't be having this conversation . We would be miles from this point where we can't even tell the truth because of your fragility. Like I said funny a sad at the same time. Lets jus stick to the facts of history and then we can explain it to your children better. Our children already know whats what, because they live it and see it on the nightly news. So lets drop the term CRT and just teach what happened and stop tying to sugar coat the past for our kids. Then maybe we can come up with better solutions for the future. We are never going to forget our history because we are damn sure not going to repeat it. But see some people are just fine with that...
I'm just here to say liberals are racist because they only see the color of my skin and they dont care about my character
so incredibly frustrating. Rufo kept falling back on talking points related to race essentialism without confronting what got us to this point. very insincere conversation from his end but very savvy
I do my best to look at things by facts. As a person of color, I appreciate Rufo's viewpoint but living the "American Dream" and going through these experiences, I sense and feel Rufo's denial. He admits there's racism and agrees on things that should be taught but maybe my experience and knowledge doesn't let me see it any other way that racism is the main reason for the oppression along with class.
Racists always deflect
@@DJTazzyTaz STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM CARD WALK OFF THE PLANTATION
@@michaelstrout3839 stop living by the bill of rights or constitutional get over it!!!
I find Hill frustrating between his "you'll concede"statements (without giving Rufo a chance to response (on occasion) and then asking Rufo to answer questions whose premise Rufo doesn't even buy in the first place.
Loved the ending of this conversation. You never think you need to talk about race until it effects you or people close to you.
eh? explain.
Fine, then what? In the USA, Italians were once discriminated against, so were the Irish. Their "whiteness" did not protect them. Japanese were interned in concentration camps, being white adjacent didn't help them. Being Chinese today means open season for discrimination amongst democrats and republicans. Chinese too are "white adjacent". You need to lift yourself by your boot strap or die trying. There is no other solution to this problem.
Says a successful anchorman wearing a $2000 suit…
he is soo oppressed.
@@fabriziobai2941hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂
Oh bye! race race race... quit it a professor in a fancy suit asking questions followin his script like the clown he is! Ooh what a groundbreakin moment!
Marc and Chris, this was a great conversation. Chris, you did a great job explaining your position. Marc, respectfully allowing Chris to speak was refreshing. No one yelled, cussed, etc., just two men having a disagreement. I enjoyed this. 👍🏽
So true. I glad someone pointed this out.
@@miamiexplorer6451 I thought the same exact thing
What did you expect?
👍🏿👍🏿
@@bryanhunnicutt7811 someone to make a comment like this?
This respectful conversation is so appreciated and needed. Thank you to you both.
Why, because MLK kept apologizing for being Black. Y'all like that kind if thing, don't you?
@@jamberry8026 he never once did anything of the sort..
@@jamberry8026 what are you talking/typing about ?
@@Droctagon1 He's being nice and letting dude drop bullshit on his show. That is nothing but. It ain't always time to be civil!
@@freegibran What, you want to troll or something? What are you going to do bust a capslock up in my ass or some stupid shit like that? You police killing bait!
This is the level of dialogue we used to get on major networks 30-40 years ago. Much respect Professor Hill.
Marc was oozing with racism. He's an inferior and deeply angry individual; par for the course with these people.
Unfortunately lamont hill claim of all this racial discrimination doesn't exist he is the best example 😂
Very happy to listen to educated people talking respectfully and providing sources for the arguments. Mr. Hill, you are tops, sir.
This interview shows how dangerous this ideology is. Way to go Chris Rufo!
Amen
He kept talking about how things SHOULD be because he didn't want to admit how things ARE -- and how he benefits from things, based on how he is seen in society. If people were seen as individuals, there wouldn't be so many unarmed black people disproportionally killed by cops. More than 5 years after Dylann Roof committed mass murder in a church, he's alive in prison and in the midst of getting his death penalty overturned. If race doesn't matter, make this make sense.
@@chocolateangel8743 How many unarmed black people do you think are killed by police each year? Typically it is between 10-15. For whites, it is between 25-30. Can’t comment on Dylan Roof, is he on death row? Typically people on death row spend many years in prison to exhaust their appeals.
@@airforceveteran379 You're attempting to minimize the treatment of unarmed BP. White cops have shot unarmed BM in the back -- just because they didn't feel like walking to catch up to him. There have even been BW that were killed by non-black cops -- when the BW was the person that called to report the crime! Are you going to tell me that this happens to whites, too? If Dylan Roof were a BM that committed mass murder against innocent women and children, he wouldn't have been alive for the past 5 years to try to get his sentence overturned. Even the U.S. Sentencing Commission has noted the differences in treatment between BM and WM that commit the same crimes and have very similar records.
@@chocolateangel8743 Please send me the information on these people shot in the back. I would like to know and it might change my perspective. Do you know who Tony Timpa is? Look him up and it might help you to understand our news coverage is pushing a narrative designed to divide us.
"What do you like about being white?" It's a loaded question.
That racist piece of sh should be asked to define white. What shade of white qualifies as white? It's a gradual thing? What about Shaun King? That guy is white as milk... does it make him a racist? These people are extremely stupid, or evil, or both.
Trur
How so?
How so?
EVERYTHING?...
From K-12-Bachelors Degree, I learned more about the Holocaust than the history of my own people. I had to discover events such as Emmitt Till, Red Summer, Tuskegee experiments, historic red lining, the story of lake lanier, and the burning of Tulsa Oklahoma on my own.
i didnt know about the oppression of italians in lousiana and how they were not considered white until after ww2, and are basically lambasted for that now, can't win when current crt adherents are the new kkk
Thank you , I have to watch this again . I was washing clothes as I was listening to this interview . I have to commend you for your channel . It's appreciated and loved . God bless your channel and pray we can reach more people . Thank you again 😊.
Marc Lamont: what do you like about being white?
White guy: Well I
Marc Lamont Hill: Ahhaaa! You like being white. That’s racist. I got cha!
😂😂😂. You got that right
Bahahahaha right on
Na
@@Joerjose82 the first step is denial 👍
It's perfectly acceptable to be a "Proud Black Man/Woman." And perfectly racist to substitute "White" for "black."
This was a better quality conversation and debate than anything I’ve heard in a while.
Good job both of y’all
@pipper donnie Attacking CRT should be applauded. CRT is racist and whoever supports it is a racist piece of shit.
@@ilias856 • easy to call things shit when you live nose deep in it. I really don't think you know what CRT is perhaps you can get some one to read it to you then explain it.
@@thephantom5368 Live nose deep in what lol. What's that even mean.
Why do you assume that i don't know what CRT is? Because i came to a different conclusion than yours? I've done my own reading perfectly well and i don't need anyone to do it for me.
CRT is profoundly anti-white and rooted in disgustingly racist ideas.
@@ilias856 So you didn't listen to the discussion in which Ruffo mischaracterized a theory only taught in graduate level law classes?
@@ilias856 Read it again. It's not anti-white. It looks at structural racism, how they were embedded into laws and became systemic. If you feel terrible about white inhumanity in America that's because it is. They're not trying to make you feel bad, just telling the truth so society can move forward without all the fairy tales about equity and justice in America's past. America was built on independence for white people, greed, slavey, and opportunism, and yeah, those people just happened to be mostly white.
This was a quality debate. Thank you for hearing eachother out.
Not really because one was actually addressing CRT and the other was addressing something that had nothing to do with CRT and he should have been called out on it🤷🏾
@@mikemike2754 The guest provided explanation and the host pushed back a bit. The point of what the guest is doing is fighting against racism early in childhood. The learning of CRT is one thing but putting in in practice, as schools were doing was divisive and leading to racism.
Saying a white baby at 3 months is racist insane.
@@nighthawk5301 The debate was supposed to be whether CRT should be taught in K-12, Instead the guest created straw men 5he whole time and addressed them but never really addressed CRT. CRT is not taught in K-12 so what the guest was referring to throughout the so-called debate was actual history that shed a light on truths and not CRT. In regard to white babies being racist at 3 months is totally preposterous and whatever teacher taught that needs to never ever be allowed around children, ever.
@@mikemike2754 I see your point. To me, it is all relative anyways and the host was steering the conversation which may have caused the debate to drift slightly. As for strawman I believe the host does a bit as well. Not just here but many other videos.
I just believe its terrible for kids to be taught CRT. Or atleast in the way it is being taught. Especially at such young age. I feel the same about all the trans stuff too. I also feel CRT curriculum leaves out the relation to Marxism and what that leads to. As you can tell the last couple years has brought a huge divide between races. That only started to occur so predominently when CRT became an issue. I think there is a coorelation and one that should not be ignored gor the safey and sanity of all races.
@@nighthawk5301 True indeed it is relative but like so many others he packaged it like it was CRT that he was referring to but that's just not 5he case. He's regurgitating political talking points and deceiving people who know nothing about CRT and really don't care to know and this is where the divide is coming in at. If only people weren't divided along race and political lines, then they would be able to see the forrest for the tree's. Side note; I really appreciate you're kindness, respectfulness and understanding. This has been missing from this day and age and I commend you for it and I thank you.
This is hillarious. Professor Hill asked Rufo a question "What do you like about being white", knowing very well that he previously stated he doesn't buy into the term as a definitive description of one's culture, values, etc.
How does he answer the question if he doesn't even believe in the word in the first place?
An actual discussion, a rare thing these days.
This wasn’t a discussion. They just didn’t yell.
It doesn’t change the fact that Hill is a disingenuous race hustler, profiting off an inherently destructive ideology he purposely obfuscates in dialectic.
@@NoThankYouToo Yes exactly this interviewer is not interested in hearing this guy out.
@@michaelmcgee335 He was only looking for a sound bite and to imply that the dudes a racist or bad person
@@BWGmedia I understand that, it's very deceitful questioning. I used to be on the left I suppose still am on a couple of things. My conscience will not let me be this modern type of lefty so I'd consider myself more of a consevative now; however these amoral neo-Marxists jerks who know nothing about me would consider me far-right.
@@michaelmcgee335 Its a shame too, I share pretty much the same position you are in... where ironically being called alt right by these marxists and told that conservatives are evil backfires when 1 you aren't actually a bigot, and 2 you start meeting like minded people who are conservative but not alt-right/fascist or indecent in any way. The truth is there is good and bad people on both sides, but once you start loosing sight of that and seeing the opposition as wholly evil, it opens up the door for you to be taken advantage of- and thats when the atrocities come. Thats how you get antifa and rioting that will then be defended vehemently by the left, which again pushes more people to the right. They are defeating themselves, slowly but surely driving everyone away. I suspect in 5-10 years many of the wokescolds will come out against this stuff and proclaim they were against it all along. Do not forget them, hold their feet to the fire- but don't forget to be better than them: Offer a path of redemption
Would love for Marc LaFool interview Brandon Tatum.
Why? They both are emotionally driven airheads.
@@metorphoric at least Hill has some credentials to back him up. Tatum is a grifter.
What a strong closure to this debate, way to go Marc!
How is it that a conservative is acknowledging his whiteness is a social construct and doesn't want to identify by it, and liberal is arguing that no matter how he identifies, the social construct remains? Odd discussion point to end on
Marc and those that think along his lines are delusional sadists that seek to control everyone around them.
I think this conversation is a brilliant example of how to discuss controversial issues, thoughtfully listening to the other person in order to respond appropriately. It is educational and allows everyone to think carefully. Thank you both!
I thought the same thing Leah. I appreciated this civil, comprehensive, thoughtful dialogue between Marc Lamont and Christopher Rufo. Lots of points to appreciate and refute/disagree with on both sides.
@@KautiousNupe Which point did christopher make that you agreed with? Respectfully asking.
@Leah - Agreed. Even though they both still disagreed, they were able to bring logical, coherent arguments to the table assertively, and not agressively. They both defended their points in a thoughtful, civil manner. I actually do hope that they have a Part II to this conversation. I feel that if everyone really did become "color blind", so to speak, then so many issues would automatically go away. Unfortunately, still many people are not Christopher's kind of color blind. So we continue to have problems of which stem from ingrained racism. We will never get to the place that Christopher ostensibly seems to believe that society has already arrived at until existing issues are acknowledged and dealt with head on. ...BTW, I am totally *not* a proponent of color blindness. There is nothing wrong with being different; that makes everyone unique - even beautiful. The problem is thinking and treating people less humanely because of real or perceived differences. But that is just my POV.
Hill is not thoughtful. He’s evil.
@@claudiawoods4382 u really think christ is colour blind......or protecting his wealth and his own inna passive way....because he know the actual out come if people continue to be educated on that same wealth and power his color blind ass benefited frm....they a protecting their own its time for black people to protect theirs.....in peace atleast because we have been protecting ours but that same colorblindness four fathers keep burning and killing us.....the slavery never ended
Marc should interview James Lindsay next
I'd pay money to see that.
@t bone fisher Candace already spanked him on her show. If you are getting mauled by Candace ( who tough, but not an intellectual giant) then you really aren't good.
@@diranshouse7061 James Lindsay would obliterate Hill's worldview!
I don't think Lamonts show is long enough for Lindsay, lol. Though I'd like to see it.
Or Thomas Sowell.
Is a transcript of this interview available ? it would be very useful.
Learnt a lot here. The hall mark of an excellent discussion. Kudos to the presenter.
KuDoS tO dA RaCiSt PrEsEnTeR.😆😆🤣🤣
A civilized conversation between two people with vastly different viewpoints. We need more news reports like this.
I came in too this conversation with my own cognitive bias.. it still exists, but boy oh boy excellent interviewer excellent guest both spoke from a place of intelligence, research and I agree with you 100%
@@orgelssecondrule9221 only rufo is speaking from not a place of intelligence but ignorance. He clearly doesn't have a clear understanding of what CRT is. Crt doesn't hold that white people are inherently racist. It deals with systemic racism and its continued effects in many of our institutions. If that makes people feel bad, too bad. Germany teaches its youth about the racist atteocities committed by some of their own grandparents and great grandparents, but no one would argue that is tantamount to teaching the kids that they too, are inherently racist. That's nonsense.
@@cynthiawells9042 lol, Germany passed a law criminalising criticism of Israel as anti-semitism and have quite draconian speech laws.
Actually two people one (the white one is a LIAR! The other is truthful and stating facts.
These type of informative interviews are becoming much more rare.
Denzel Washington actually once said "Race relations have to do with race relations. You are white or whatever you are, I am black or whatever I am, we are standing here and talking now, that is how we get things done, you cannot legislate love. The President and or any legislator cannot legislate us into liking each other. We have to step forward and ask questions about each other and engage. So really it is up to us. I also believe that we are all God's children (My Comment)
“But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 1:12-13 NASB1995
Not everyone is a child of God. Children of God are the ones who have received Christ.
There is no such thing as black or white as it relates to race. There is melanin positive and melanin anemic. There is only one race, the human one and nothing else. Race in and of itself is nothing more than a social construct dreamed up and designed by white or melanin anemic Europeans that couldn't deal with the fact that there were other cultures that were more advanced and had developed society's while they were still painting their faces blue and kicking it in caves.
@@williamjones3534 Uh, you do realize that everyone who saw something different in other people mentally made that construct as well, right? Europeans were absolutely not alone in this process.
@@muscledoggs566 I didn't say they were not. What I am telling you is that a group of supposed "Scholars" got together because they couldn't deal with the fact that great works like Egypt's pyramids were built by non whites and came up with a crack pot theory of multiple races including "white Africans" despite evidence to the contrary to describe and justify white supremacy. Race is a social construct, culture is something entirely different.
@@williamjones3534 Absolutely William! In fact the concept of race started with the Spanish Inquisition in 1478, before that, race was not a problem. It had to do with religion. When the Spanish and also the Portuguese were going to Africa in particular, they could not tell what Africans religion was so they set upon skin color. One of the major slave trades that included West Africans was actually the Arab/Muslim slave trade. A-lot of people don't talk about that.
Great, respectable give and take...When done this way, the truth shines through..gppd job Mr Marc Lamont Hill...I am sure that your quest learned some things and your moderation was done well.
Nice to hear two people with different views talk without yelling and interrupting each other. Thank you.
Only one racist in this conversation and I think we all know who it is.
I saw a civil conversation
The guy with the tie!
@@jenniferklopman2557 Nope. You're wrong.
@@bugeye177 no, you're wrong.
@@user-in5ru2cd9l no **you're** wrong
I appreciate this civil, comprehensive, thoughtful dialogue between Marc Lamont and Christopher Rufo. Lots of points to appreciate and refute/disagree with on both sides. These days, it's RARE that we're able to see two individuals debate topics or perspectives and talk about controversial topics (such as critical race theory), who have both clearly READ BOOKS, THEORETICAL PAPERS AND HAVE ACTUALLY DONE REAL RESEARCH on the topics that they're discussing. It was disheartening to read some of the other 5000 comments and see people defaulting to their partisan, prejudiced talking points/ways of thinking and totally miss the nuance required to have informed positions on these kinds of topics. I'm hoping to see more debates/exchanges between March and Christopher!
I totally appreciate this comment and feel the same way I think Christopher rufo would come back because he is really passionate about this I watched a speech from him a few days after this and he's more passionate than ever about this I think what made this really great is both people are really passionate about these topics and what you pointed out to this other reply I really don't feel anyone was hogtied or shown anything I think both just laid out clear differences and good points
@@bryanhunnicutt7811 Lamont is manchild
@@danielclarke5348 Chris may be "passionate ", but that has nothing to do with his skewed rationale on the subject. Dr. Hill gave him FACTS. Chris just didn't have a response to Dr. Hill once he was told how he could deny being white, while Dr. Hill had to remind him that he doesn't have that same privilege. Black is black is black is black.
@@SilverWealth_Draper_Mint 🤔😕
@@bryanhunnicutt7811 this is a sad commentary of your view of the world. "Black is black" tells us nothing about the individual or his experiences. It tells us only that this way of thinking demoralizes black youth into thinking that their individual choices hold less sway on their future than the statistical representation of the group. Marc's choices allowed him to escape the hell of poverty, likely crime, and any other number of negative consequences correlated to "blackness," which we've projected as a representation onto the individual, because we've lost sight of the fact that these statistics are simply telling us an aggregated story for the population within the demographic. By way of example, when someone concluded that "black crime" is a problem caused by the "black community," it distorts what we should learn from statistics. In reality, "black crime" is a product of a minority of black people within the black community. And, because of this conflation, true racists among use the "13-50 argument" to demonize all the individuals in the group. That isn't to say that there isn't a problem we all should address. But, it is a misnomer to suggest that "black is black" is the defining feature of a black individual's life experiences.
As a related aside, I personally know a very interesting family. One brother was convinced that the world was against him. That was his perspective. He succumbed to the "black is black" mentality. He was in and out of prison, in and out of work, etc. His brother, raised by the same parents, in the same household and taught the same values, who also ended up being my grandparent's neighbor, never believed that stereotype. He believed he could achieve what he put his mind to, something he told me verbatim, when recollecting about race relations at that time. Consequently, he excelled in school and then law school, worked for the State Dept, was appointed as the Ambassador to Algeria and was one of the board of directors of ABC. Mr. Haynes, as I knew him, was a great man and a great friend. Imagine how his world would have been different, if he had followed in his older brother's footsteps.
CRITICAL RACE THEORY WILL NEVER GO AWAY or DISAPPEAR...THE TRUTH WILL NEVER DISAPPEAR.!!!
Either will other silly theories.
The integrity and consciousness held well...seems that your quest was willing to share and learn...Thank you for your on point expressions Mr Marc Lamont Hill. Keep up the good work!
That was actually a good conversation. I wish more conversations like this could be had among the two ideological divides.
There’s only on ideology here, and it’s the regressive one pushed by MLH. Rationality is not an ideology
Wow! I'm only a few minutes in, but I REALLY admire the interview skills of this reporter. The last interview I heard was, I think, from NBC, and it was a nightmare. This is really well done.
Also, Rufo is responding more respectfully.
-- The Anti-Critical Race Theory movement is grounded in White Supremacist ideology.
U know white racist sways been evil they right no matter what u stupid
That's because Rufo knows lamont claim of all this racial discrimination doesn't exist because lamontt is the best example 😂😂😂😂😂
Facts don't care about your feelings. Teach history as it happened, period.
I feel like it will only make sense to include this theory in a higher level class and open the conversation up for young adults that have already experienced the world and can actually have their own perspective on the theory as opposed to children who can be indoctrinated by this theory instead.
facts
Some of the biggest critics of crt are black parents who don't want their children indoctrinated into helpless and hopeless victims
From a " minority Latino" , Good job Chris💪
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Tell Rachel Dolashaw Race is a social construct
@@auntieshugah9330 see, youre emoji reply is so revealing. It says, "I don't actually have a rational argument to debunk or dispute your claim, so I'll pretend you're dumb" but please, articulate!
@@Eric-vh5by and of course you single out the black woman. Typical. And for your information an emoji is used to portray emotion without words, you know “a picture is worth a thousand words” is the basic principle. Chris is a minority and is basically defending white racism. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@scoobenvonduben4165 . I'll fill you in on something about most white people including me, we choose our associates the same way regardless of race. For instance, I met 2 black guys a few months ago and what brought us together as friends? A love of old school hip hop, that's it. We hang out all the time. For me making friends requires that we have something in common and that something is not based on skin color. MLK said people should be judged by their individual character not by the color of their skin. What you're doing and what CRT is attempting to do is the complete opposite. It seeks to classify people by race not to bring about equality, but to bring about division and hate. It's the same with ALL Marxist ideology; sow division, promote hate, train revolutionaries, other throw the system, kill those who don't agree, establish the Communist Utopia. That is exactly how every single Marxist regime came to power. The thing is CRT, just like every other Marxist ideology, has nothing to do with equality. Their is only one racist in this interview and that's Marc Lamont Hill.
"Name something positive about being white?"
the opposite of what Marc Lamont just said at the end
Not existing crippled and captured by self induced social constructionist theories.
"something positive about being white", Well, In the summer I turn really dark, In the winter I'm really white.... kind of like a chameleon, its my super power. :)
@@MrWolfheart111 No your sub human
@@dicwolf5737 @Wolf Heart This comment coming from a "Dic", go figure.
@@tbird341 was that supposed to be profound
Very insightful. Thank you for bringing clarity to this issue
More impressed that two people with opposing views can have such a civil and constructive debate. Society needs more of this 👌🏼👌🏼.
That’s why the Jews shut the network down ! It was owned by a Pakistani!
1 year later...Rufo works for Gov.Desantis, ergo, he's a racist.
Sorry but his final rant at 24:00 is just dilusional. All of those issues he lists as a result of being black do not superseed the notion of a person wanting to be seen first and foremost as a person and being treated by others first and foremost as a person regardless of race. That is the standard we must aim for. End of story.
Well said. Thank you.
Lol. This what you said is tone deaf. No different than saying you want to be seen as a person first and then a woman or seen as a man first and then a person. Dude I am black and a woman and a person, all at the same time. I want to be seen as all of these at the same time because they cannot be separated.
Thanks for the lip service
@@TashaSewingTutorials it’s not tone deaf at all. It is a paradigm which is applicable to every single person on earth. That is why it is so powerful. That is why it was the approach of people like MLK. That is why it superseeds any individuals desire to be seen as anything else above being a person.
And that was my point. Regardless of individuals desire to for example “be seen as black” and all the associations he listed with that, the paradigm of seeing people as people superseeds that.
To reiterate, our other categories such as our sex, being parents etc are important but when it comes to who we are, firstly we are all people. The realisation of this is the only path to getting rid of racism.
@@ElHajjMalikElShabbaz thanks for the pointless sarcastic comment.
Chris speaks the language people fighting neo racism need to learn.
@CRT is anti White hatred Smash cultural marxism Self Defense from what?
@CRT is anti White hatred Smash cultural marxism identity politics is the problem.
Actually, he's strikingly lacking in self-awareness, which is the case for most white people on racism issues. He showed his true colours when he laughed nervously at the question: "what do you like about being white?" He knows a lot but he uses language to put up intellectual defenses to avoid some uncomfortable examination of how whites benefit from being white. If I'm honest, I was in the same place until about a year ago.
@@relax_enjoy_English your projecting
@@relax_enjoy_English Of course it was a race bait question, forcing a certain view if it's answered. Or other Kafka trap line of questioning.
If you think race bait questions are valid, then I have to ask this. To preference, John McWhorters comments in, It Feels Good To Be A Victim, youtube video, where he states: White people and black people are raised differently. White people are raised to believe that racism is bad. Black people are raised to believe racism is still there and it's just hidden, so for some it's a matter of pride to be able to show to their piers how they can spot racism. That said, I have to ask anyone who stands by race bait tactics about their past relationship to how they define "how to spot" racism?
The interesting is while Rufo refuses to say that he is white, the world around him sees him as white and sees Mark as black. It is fantastical!
I appreciate civil debates where both parties can have two different points of views and yet can allow each other to speak intelligently
Well, at least it was a discussion and not a yelling match!
It was not a discussion it was accusitive horse-shit by a wealthy black-man who has plenty of privlege.
Well two people can have a conversation when both have research and informed themselves on the issue. And just not going on what tucker carlson, and other like him says.
@@michaelmcgee335, "horse shit", huh, somebody can't deal with truth 🤣
Marc Lamont Hill doesnt yell at white people. Only black people.
@@charlenesones7993 What truth can't I deal with?
No one will talk about the Irish experience. Not even the Irish.
The Irish were/are not easy to fool and asked too many questions so Liberals moved onto people who were more agreeable to dependency and hopelessness.
Irish people are not living in a continuous cycle of oppression either. Systemic racism is not affecting the Irish community in 2021.
@Tamara Scott the only systemic prejudice that is built into the system is called affirmative action. Racist bitch.
The Irish were treated as non-white when they immigrated to the US and were horribly discriminated against by American whites
@@matthewrutters6842 Jeez no need to be so rude.
Great conversation. Both sides were presented well.
This idea of hammering CRT: what does it solve? Nothing. It teaches people to embrace victimhood and see problems as outside their control.
Don’t tell me you can’t be successful as a black man in America. Don’t tell me you don’t get special schooling, governmental, and employment advantages. We all have unique struggles. The key is to overcome.
Here’s what i like about being white: i am not permitted to see myself as a victim. Accordingly, when i face obstacles, i have to rely on myself to overcome them. I continually become stronger as a result. If i instead placed blame on amorphous power structures outside my control, i would be forever stuck in the mud-always doubting my own ability to control my destiny.
Man youre so dumb, what law school did you go to to study crt? Ill answer none cause youre an uneducated fool
Fantastic job Marc!!! You ate this guy's lunch and you did it so politely and methodically. I really appreciate your work here. 🙏
Marc ate his lunch all right. I agree. And he did it because he believes that his grandparents' lunch was eaten by people who were the same colour as this guy. Rightly so! I hope our grandchildren's grandchildren still have access to these videos so that they can see with their own two eyes the black man who ended racism by teaching a white man to question people's skin colour. "What do you like about being white?" Genius. Dude should have replied with something stupid like, "I like being taught who I am by someone who claims we're too different to understand each other's racial experience." Shit would have been the cherry on top, and I guarantee Marc would have eaten that too.
@@BbbFffishRacism is not dead but its on life support -kept alive by politicians, race hustler, and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as racist
Thomas sowell
It was horrible, and cringe!
You'll never see it our way and we'll never see it yours.
The damage has been done.
The question is...do we make it worse...or do we leave it behind us.
Be careful when choosing the path forward.
Candace Owens: Can men get pregnant?
Marc Lamont: It depends
and you are making a point by quoting Candace? lol
@@adashing Yes, and the point is how ignorant his response was to the question.
@@adashing goes to show the intellectual quality of the person she was talking to. So yeah. Pretty well received point.
Abandoning biology to own the cons...
@@conorcorrigan765 but he didn't "own the cons" at all lol
The host just doesn’t see he’s a victim of Critical Race Theory himself. Lol
@UC3N6NpLuUZexUKle1hDAgAA bc he continues to push victimhood thinking...that black ppl are being held back as he is making it as a....black mqn
Marc has more white privilege than 90% of whites
that might change; sometimes people get tired of whay they know are lies
Oh he perfectly knows. But if he acknowledges he loses out on the money. This man is evil. He’s a grifter, just like that DiAngelo woman and the guy Kendi.
@@mavssami41 Nevertheless, despite his social standing & accomplishments, MLH can still be murdered by so-called "law enforcement", on any given day, because of his skin color.
Ok Marc, my bad. I spoke too soon. You did put him in the Hot Seat
Great dialogue! Can someone point me to a transcript of this conversation? It would be super cool to be able to analyze this conversation with a fine tooth comb.
What I love MOST about this: Lamont asked questions and GAVE ALL THE ROOM in the world for a response. He didn’t paint him in a corner. Didn’t misrepresent the answer. Didn’t patronize. This was good.
You mean he gave Chris the room to dismantle the leftist stupidity that was the core of the conversation?
He also didn’t get to the point. Debate isn’t about everyone feeling good at the end. It is about exposing the errors and flaws in one’s argument. No one wants to know that their beliefs are unfounded but many are. The narrative is commonly accepted but doesn’t have any thing to do with truth. My contention is that most want to start with now in stead of starting at the beginning where the facts are indisputably.
Rufo handled this interview well.
Bravo!
Yeah. Particularly considering he agreed to appear on a show called Black News Tonight.
He did despite Lamont’s race baiting & clear racist comments. I don’t understand why they’re insecurities and failure to move forward is someone else’s problem when clearly many of different races have overcome obstacles. White people don’t see race because it’s not an issue in general unless someone like Lamont wants to see it as an issue. In this day and age most families are mixed. Only black supremacists want to keep the victim hood mindset going.
@@obryantribe385 you’re a racist
@@Lileggmane Victimhood sells, race hustlers are still playing up race. But the worst thing about CRT is that it declares meritocracy, objectivism and colorblindness as examples of systemic racism. Unfortunately, this amounts to dumbing down, done for black people, which is both unnecessary are harmful.
@@212ntruesdale false. CRT does NOT declare meritocracy nor objectivism (lol) as an example of systemic racism. Colorblindness/ color evasion is a form of gaslighting, as to deny that race as a social construct even exists
What do I like about being white? 1) cultural norms; 2) tradition; and 3) pride in being from the race that first conceived of democracy, the bill of rights, separation of powers in the government, and invented just about everything that makes life in our society as good as it is today, including virtually every musical instrument played in America today. Oh, and being privileged.
@BleyBlair What do you mean, "you people?"
@BleyBlair If your reply was actually funny like mine, you wouldn't need the lol.
How is this even a debatable issue, policing alone gives ALL the evidence you need.
This is the kind of high level conversation on the issues I want to see
High level?
Look up interviews given by James Lindsay on the topic of Critical Race Theory. He has high level conversations on it too. James has studied it for years and gives loads of details, even tracing it all the way back to it origins. Very eye opening. He has done shows with Rufo's, and he was warning people about it for years. He gives lots of details on the dangers of CRT and their end goals, plus all the tentacles of the beast. Basically, all this "woke" talk are its tentacles.
@@sues3218 Thank you!
Great conversation
One high level one racist
Another comment, I dare MLH to bring Tomas Sowell in his show. A true intellect. If more blacks knew who he was, he would have his own day of recognition. A brilliant mind. Highly recommend those who are unfamiliar with him to research his work. Same goes for Walter Williams who sadly passed last year.
He can’t Invite Thomas Sowell , Because MLH cannot use racist labels against him.
@Chris Williams You just triggered me…to watch the Dave Chappelle “Racial Draft” skit again! 😂
I have disagreements with Prof. Hill, but I truly respect and appreciate his facilitation of the discussion. I’m genuinely tearing up because the way this discussion played out (respectful, civil, dignified, etc.) it’s sooo needed these days. Well done.
Wow. Thanks
Awesome, the last part of the discussion really gets to the heart of the conflict. “CRT” in the way that Chris uses it is an effort to be colorblind when it comes to solutions, personal action, and obligation while benefiting from the American Social Construct developed over the history of our county. Black’s and other groups do not have opportunity but disparities in regards to outcomes because racism, sexism, homophobia and other negative Social Constructs are parts of their normal everyday life. To change that we need to discuss these realities and “CRT” in the way Chris defines it or as it is classically defined is a tool to that end.
The only truly systemic racism now seen in the West is against Whites in the form of Affirmative action, hiring quotas, minority only programs, critical race theory and constant widespread vilification and condemnation by society (as well as being victims of violence and harassment)... Also, Asians seem to be doing just fine in spite of all this systemic racism that doesn't exist... These people as you said are not experts but indeed deniers of reality, liars, scapegoat masters and shakedown artists... Blacks and Browns have FAR higher quality of lives in white nations than they do their own, if systemic racism was holding them back then they should be thriving in nations that are all black, except they aren't and are FAR worse off... Also the question must be asked to these morons "So how is diversity a strength to anyone if systemic racism is such a huge problem?"
“White nations”? Where are these located brother? So your theory is bc there is no laws on the books everything is just dandy. Civil rights and voting rights was 57 years ago. It just happened. Inter racial marriage was still unpopular in parts of this country in this millennium.
After the Supreme Court ruling declaring such laws to be unconstitutional, the laws in the remaining 16 states ceased to be enforceable. Besides removing such laws from their statute books, a number of state constitutions were also amended to remove language prohibiting miscegenation: Mississippi in 1987, South Carolina in 1998 and Alabama in 2000. In the respective referendums, 52% of voters in Mississippi, 62% of voters in South Carolina and 59% of voters in Alabama voted in favor of the amendments. In Alabama, nearly 526,000 people voted against the amendment, including a majority of voters in some rural counties. That’s 500K against it in 1 state alone. These feelings run deep. As a white dood… I gotta tell you I’m still feeling really good about my chances of being a victim of racism not materializing any time soon. Maybe stop playing the victim, take personal responsibility for your state in life and pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Although it sounds virtuous in reality it is much better for humans to focus on what we share and unites us than what divides us. The way to improve black peoples lives and the way their identity is perceived is by raising them up not by bringing white people down. Discrimination is always has a negative outcome for someone even if its positive for the person you are trying to help. At all costs we should be looking to avoid any policy which uses race as its' primary focus. The idea that a black persons poor white neighbour is holding him or her back more than the black rich elite is quite something. You can see why big corporations much prefer this lens to class. meanwhile the top 5% continue to take a bigger piece of the pie. It's all so short sighted and lazy thinking. The Left can do better than this.
@@jasonhill2348 Well put I guess they would argue though again that Africans are held down by white colonialists. The narrative is outward thinking never inward. Kind of how children think until they are forced to take ownership of their lives as adults. There is always some truth in everything. The question to ask: Is it more healthy to focus on what you can change about your ownself and the way you are perceived or to try force other people to change how they view you and themselves.
@@jimmajamma2006 I see some of what your saying but i dont think talking about some ongoing struggles with racism is "bringing white people down". As a white dood I'm strong enough to evaluate myself and listen to others opinions about what their life experiences are and if they have some ongoing problems and they happen to have to do with racism Im down with trying to fix that if i can help out and that means i might even be part of the problem....... but i can also be part of the solution. I 100% agree that topics such as poverty, inequality of opportunity, insufficient healthcare and inadequate education can be shared grievances that can unite people of all colors. Unfortunately many oif the same people who think the US i a "post-racial" society also believe in a sort of "individualism" and whenever we speak of the "Collective" or a "public good" in economic opportunity they start right in with those tropes about "personal responsibility" and "dont blame society for your problems" and "inequality is the price for freedom/Capitalism" stuff and the conversation stops there. I also agree that the Black bourgeoisie is another force we must recon with. Many successful Blacks just wanna get as far away from poorer Blacks as possible as if their "stink" will be contagious with an attitude of "Well, I got mine and your own your own brother". I do envy the Rights narrow focus and they never eat their own the way the left does. I still think this Ruffo dood is a grifter and just blowing up CRT to way bigger of a problem for Elementary school age kids that it ever will be.
Thank you so much for this debate Marc. This was the first debate on your show that I have watched (haven’t watched them all but a few) that I felt it was an actual discussion on the topic of CRT and you weren’t cutting the guest off. Now this also was the first debate on the topic where I felt the person actually knew what they were arguing and not just spewing talking points, so I appreciate the guest selection. Please continue to bring on these quality guest because I believe your intellect and time is wasted in debates with people that haven’t even done the research. Yes you do expose them for being uneducated and possibly a fraud, but many people use these discussions to help develop, affirm, or inspire their position. One-sided debates may hurt that because then people could think that there is an obvious winner when really the issue was the individual arguing the opposing side. Thanks again for this discussion.
@wolfman02 Thanks for your response. The point I was trying to make was that this debate/discussion is needed, even if you or someone else feels the other side is wrong, lying, etc. That person will have to prove their argument at some point. If one side is making baseless claims, they should be exposed when debating against someone who has a true knowledge of the subject. As I mentioned in the previous comment, with the other two “debates” those people were exposed for not knowing anything except following party lines, which hurts the argument against CRT. With people usually getting there information from online, they would see that something may be dishonest about the argument against CRT and may look more into it, as it seems that you have. All I’m saying is we need more of these debates vs the name calling or headline news (where people only read the headlines) so that people get in a habit of doing their on research, developing their thoughts, and recognizing the truth.
"Marc follows the CRT playbook: lump your enemies into crude identity categories, load those categories with negative connotations, enforce a taboo against expressing positive traits, and use guilt/shame to manipulate individuals into your political cult.
Don't take the bait."
It will only get worst. Already you can see how they are becoming the they very thing they claim to despise. Anti-racists becoming full on racists, openly and proudly.
Amen!
You're just being mean, he's just following the proud tradition of influential black folks who think hey if you want off the dependency plantation/inner-city welfare state based fatherless utopia they can become entertainment or sports stars. Otherwise, Black Votes Matter (BVM) is much more relevant to liberals than actual black lives.
@@sammaztec7451 yep... admission through projection
damm M00nmanners you made me laugh so hard. 🤣 I dont know if you realized you just described the Trump Campaing playbook. Holly shit lol 😆. My man you got jokes. for real i been laughing for a few minutes straight. Thank you man.
Critical race theory is American history. Keep them on blast Marc !!!! THANK YOU!!!
CRT is democrat history, you racist dim bulb. Democrats embraced slavery, invented the KKK, Jim Crow, and kill more black babies in 2 weeks than the KKK lynched in a century. Christians Republicans freed the slaves and ended Roe V Wade. COPE, retard.
What is Critical Race Theory?
Marc is spot on. These white devils come in all different guises and we need to fight them on the front line. No justice no peace
Critical Race Theory is where you blame White people for all your problems, you decide on the basis of skin someone has oppressed and mistreated you. You weep about slavery and want reparations.
Jewish people did the slavery thing two thousand years ago and were forced into ghettos since the Egyptians are gone, they will be going after Christians for reparations.
Oops, they’re not interested. They just want hate crimes to stop.
No, it's a Marxist take on race relations, nothing more.
I, like most others, appreciate this balanced discussion on CRT, however, it still suffers due to a lack of a clear and concise definition of Critical Race Theory. The discussion began more about the merits/problems associated with CRT, but it would’ve been even more helpful hearing CRT defined by both Rufo and Hill to help uncover commonalities and where their understandings deviated from one another. Nonetheless, I enjoyed the discussion and was relieved that it did not devolve into political talking points.
Here's an example. Supreme Court Justice Rodger Taney synopsis of his ruling on Dred Scott, a black man, who's humanity and citizenship was refused, was that "a black man has no right a white man is bound to respect" a phenomenon clearly evident today. In essence there's more to that then what the eye sees on the surface. And just to amend this info, the definition of amendment is a minor change in a contract or an improvement. 🤷🏿♂️
In the 60's "Black is beautiful" was a popular saying that most people could get behind. That's been changed to "White is ugly" with critical race theory and people are attacking each other over it.
Did you even watch the video or are you simply regurgitating conservative talking points
@@ChinotheJet dude, critical race theory is inherently racist. If you support that then you yourself are racist
@@ChinotheJet You don't have to watch any one video. It's being taught across the US.
@@Dallas2664 thanks for confirming my suspicion
@@officialomatu8766 gotcha. Wait til I get my Black Klán robe out the cleaners
Keep up the GREAT Work Mr. Rufo... This is coming from a Brown man.
You're just a man... who happens to have brownish skin.
❤🇺🇸🙂
Ironically, by mentioning you are a Brown man you are using the fact that you are a minority to validate Rufo's argument to demonstrate it's appealing to not just white people. What you actually said is antithetical to what Mr. Rufo has said by saying your identity matters in your opinions. It shouldn't matter if you are white or brown, and mentioning that characteristic is irrelevant to the soundness of his argument.
@@kenbobcorn ...I think you're putting too much into the stating of his skin color than is really there. I do believe the reason he's stating he's a Brown man is because the pushers of CRT would like to believe that because of the color of his skin he should automatically be on board with their ideals...treating him not as an individual...but as a skin color alone.
@@KingNicotine I agree the pushers of CRT put race above being an individual, but he is validating what they are saying by listing his race as if his opinion is representative of being a minority.
That's like if I said "as a white man, I believe I am an oppressor". Me saying I have white skin explicitly is saying my opinion is representative of white people. I could just say "as an individual I believe I am an oppressor" which is more in line with what Mr. Rufo says because I am treating my statement as something beyond my identity. Makes sense?
We blacks need more new outpost like your. Thanks..!
I have to be honest guys. I get a little weary of people when they say I don’t see color. The young man said I don’t see white? C’mon man! 🤷🏿♂️
Thank you for having Chris Rufo on your show. I’m happy to hear this debate. I commend you for engaging. That said, Rufo won this debate.
How so!? He seemed clearly out of his depth with very none contextual, nonsensical or factual answers. For example he was asked which CRTs prescribe to the idea white people are inherently or biological racist and Chris said DiAngelo to which Marc said she's not CRT and Chris says she leans on CRTs.
He couldn't name one because what he said isn't true....
Rufo bobbed and weaved in answering direct questions regarding his experience and advantages as a white Italian! Marc was gracious to Christopher but in no way did Rufo dominated the discussion! He camouflaged his ideology of white supremacy privilege in intellectual jargon!
Let me show you how stupid this statement is...ready!?...here we go!
The root of safe vs unsafe neighborhoods is not a racial/biological issue, but an economical one. Based on your logic poor majority neighborhoods by definition would be just as safe as a white one, but we know that is not the case.
There are majority white countries in Europe, based on your logic, poverty stricken white communities would have significantly low levels of criminality/violence etc.
I hope this does not need any further explanation, as this is self explanatory.
@t bone fisher one more...
www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137
The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
Consider yourself debunked...you're welcome!
@@m.w.3256 exaactly and very well put...
So that’s what Rufos voice sounds like I didn’t get to hear it last night during his “interview“ with Joy Reid
Actually, he spoke often during the interview it was only because he was being asked the questing that he submitted, then wanted to go off cue, and the fact that he had to be put in his place, I loved it! He thought he was going to come in run the show, but he did not!
He spoke plenty, but he was 100%wrong there too. Strawman arguments don't work with educated people.
@@vvblues Hitler also used Critical Race Theory to further demonize the Jews and victimize the German people to retaliate against them....
it's not that she didn't allow him to speak, she didn't allow him to LIE.
Yes, you heard it. He was trying to talk 1,000,000 miles a minute to get as many lies in as he could. Stop being a victim
I have so many questions and arguments about this interview. This white guy said so many things that were problematic that wasn’t responded to in this interview. I know you were limited on time but I wish someone could hit those things he said
I love how Lamont went to break after all his race baiting critical race theory nonsense got crushed. Rufo is absolutely correct on family, education and work force participation are key variables for policy solutions.
So I see there are a lot of trolls in the comments.
This was great discourse. Needed more time to dig into CRT. Bring Chris back.
This comment section is FULL OF TROLLS. I thought that I was reading a Yahool article's comment section for a second. I appreciate this civil, comprehensive, thoughtful dialogue between Marc Lamont and Christopher Rufo. Lots of points to appreciate and refute/disagree with on both sides.
What does Russia, North Korea and South Korea, White America and Europe region have in common, imperialism and institutionalization.
What does black and brown have in common African and Mexican but the 🌮 and 🌯 different 😂😆
Imagine I'm a African Italian what would still be consider Black European but how does that sound if I'm African Canadian and half Irishman with a little but Russian, so I see being a color person coded family names doesn't disclose the fact colonial colorism and racism. - Creole and Cajun
Lol he owned your buddy Marc. Sad
@@KautiousNupe cope seethe dial8
Something tells me that you think trolls are anybody that disagree with your narrative.
I love the fact that nobody was talking over the other
Pity Joy Reid wasn’t able to extend the same courtesy.
Joy doesn’t allow lies on her show. Plain and simple
@@nicholascarter8315 Was that irony?
They gave him the whole screen and most of the time... Plz
Not the same interview style...
THAT part.....
Great that these dialogues are happening
Marc is easily providing one of the best interviewing strategies since before the repeal of the fairness doctrine.
He usually manipulates
I do miss the Fairness Doctrine. But we have many good intellectuals with similar strategies, Coleman Hughes being a good example.
I am critical towards your theory.
Unfortunately, ppl are not allowed to be critical towards yours…sounds like the problem.
@@GawdlyChannel who is not allowed? lol
What I loved best is that it was such a respectful, civil conversation, a dialogue among 2 smart, well intentioned honest people, each with with their own strong views, agreeing to disagree. Well done Marc Lamont Hill!
-- The Anti-Critical Race Theory movement is grounded in White Supremacist ideology.
@@alanfreemancriticalracethe524 if by white supremacy you mean enlightenment values & ideals, then yes, it’s rooted in white supremacy.
It's a NEELY FULLERS VIEW AS WELL MUCH MORE FUCUS AND CLARITY.
The 2 smart, well intentioned people in this interview are as follows: Chris Rufo and the chair DUMBASS MARC LAMONT HILL WHO CAN'T PROVE WHITE POWER AND PRIVILEGE IS NOT A MYTH IS SITTING ON!!!!!!!!!
Rufo is certainly smart enough. "Honest" and "well-intentioned"? Not so much.
Why is Marc’s camera positioned so that he is sitting taller than his guest?
Excellent conversation. Toward the end, Hill asks Rufo to identify things he "likes about being white." Rufo correctly rejects this frame but doesn't dismantle the question the way he could have. Owning ones "whiteness" and owning that one has white skin are two very different things. In terms of claiming an identity, all any individual can do is describe the values they were raised with. To ascribe values such as timeliness, rationality, or excellence to white people is ridiculously reductionist. These are successful values of all races.
Kinda wish we'd had this public debate before we started instituting CRT in public schools, not after.
Asking "What do you like about being white?" should be like asking "What do you like about having green eyes?" or "What's the best thing about having brown hair?".
For someone so well thought out it was an embarrassing question to ask and an obvious attempt at a gotcha
I think i just got a little smarter. Great respectful, enlightening, dialog. Subscribed.
The untied states was literally built on racism state by state county by county and still holds till this day!!
If your views about CRT didn't become more negative after watching this you are officially part of the problem.
CRT proves that the government believes that black people are dumb enough to be used and manipulated for political reasons: the government is allowing CRT to exist in order to bring the white population down. Once the white population is down, then EVERYONE is down - the dictators have everyone under their control - black, white, and everyone in between. That's why CRT is ultimately allowed to spread. It's PURELY for Marxist reasons. People who are used for political reasons don't know they are being used - they are led to believe that the government actually cares about them. They don't. In Soviet Russia these kinds of people were called "useful idiots" who did their "masters" bidding. Once the dictators gained full power over all people the useful idiots were squashed like cockroaches - silenced in more ways than one. They had served their purpose. The other useful idiots are the media & entertainers - basically any institution of mass public influence. All authoritarian style governments do this. The nazis did it, the fascists in Italy did it. An authoritarian government needs to control all public institutions of influence in order to control the type of influence they have over the people. All information spread from these institutions must ultimately serve the authoritarian government one way or another.
@@ElizaDolittle It was said of the "useful idiots" that once they were no longer useful, they were shunned even by their fellow prisoners in the gulags.
you white folks are hilarious lol
this white dude deflected and couldn't identify ONE critical race theorist that does what he pushes as his agenda. He kept cherry picking a handful of incidents while never condemning the racism that has been taught in schools by white folks since forever.
@@deepee4323 you do realize that youtube is literally saturated with videos uploaded by black americans condemning CRT, don't you?
@@ElizaDolittle please show me the saturating videos of black Americans that descend from the ancestors that survived the American holocaust known as the institution of slavery, condemning the idea that America employs a system that advantages whiteness..... I'll wait
SN: They can't be right wing tokens that parrot yt supremacist talking points for personal gain
The clock starts.....NOW
Kudo's to Marc for having this discussion. There's nothing I can say that won't make me sound racist so I'll keep my mouth shut. Other than we need parents that treat their kids as the most important things in their lives.
U are a very wise man...kudos to u...much blessings come your way.
That's a very wyte thing to say
Kudo's to Rufo for having the decency , trying to help a indoctrinated .The CRT has no merit , President Barack Hussein Obama II , two terms .
To become a parent one must first not abort their babies .
"Too many black fathers are missing from too many lives and too many homes. “They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men." (Obama).
Virtue signaling is of no help to the "African American culture" . It is better to say what you have on your mind than to coddle behaviors and ideas that are corrosive to society. Marc is corrosive , he seeks not to mend but divide .
@@dgsrks102030 It has merit and you know nothing about CRT based on your comment.
@@eccentricaste3232
CRT = white man bad . think that about covers it . Theories are like asshoools everyone has one .
This was an excellent conversation. I appreciate their ability to have civil discussion. I enjoyed this debate.
Great interview Mark, we need more of this on both sides. Tolerance, patience and a willingness to get into the weeds.
No we don't.
@@corneilusmcgillicuddy ?
@@peterw7512 Hear both sides of the argument.
@@corneilusmcgillicuddy we don't need to hear both sides of the argument? Even at a rudimentary level that sounds a bit close minded...
In reference to c.r.t. what other side of the argument needs to be hear?
I don't know what I think yet..I'll need to read up more on the subject to come to my own conclusion, however I give this video a thumbs up because both men disagreed with each other and neither spent the entire segment cutting each other off and talking over each other..it was very refreshing and you don't see that on extreme left and right channels..good job being adults fellas..we dont always have to agree but we should always be respectful and cordial
Be very careful.... the "Theory" is very different than the "Practice", you could start by reading James Lindsay's book Cynical Theory.... its a bit academic, but a thorough presentation of CRT.
@@williamerdman4888 That’s what I thought about the whole time. Even Rufo said that the theory itself isn’t harmful, but what happens is that the execution of the theory in certain platforms such as select schools and workplaces, distorts the theory and its explanation of the theory. I hope that makes sense. I think the same could be said about “religion”, “patriotism”, etc. So, perhaps the issue is one of execution versus that of theory itself.
@@ckh937610 it's human nature to mess things up..give it long enough and it always goes bad...we turn everything into extreme ideas these days...extreme right and extreme left seems like the majority now...when they first made the tea party it was for good reason...then the extremist took it over and they turned crazy...same with BLM, in the beginning it was for good reason and not even a year later it was over run by extremist behaviors...humans are flawed and fallible...
@@eam4279 Exactly and even well meaning ideas can be viewed negatively, if a select loud and extreme group of people become the face of it. That can be the case even if the “face” isn’t self proclaimed.
@@ckh937610 facts!!!
That last diatribe...victim, victim, victim, vic tim, victim...
@KAW The government has successfully made many people in our country believe that the blacks are still oppressed and whites are privileged, but they don't want to help blacks out of their oppressive state - they don't even want equality among the races. They want to lower whites (and everyone else) to an oppressive state along with blacks. Allowing CRT to exist, proves that the government believes that black people are dumb enough to be used and manipulated for political reasons: to bring the white population down. Once the white people are down, then EVERYONE is down - the dictators have everyone under their control - black, white, and everyone in between. That's why CRT is ultimately allowed to exist and spread. It's PURELY for Marxist reasons. People who are used for political reasons don't know they are being used - they are led to believe that the government actually cares about them. They don't. In Soviet Russia these kinds of people were called "useful idiots" who did their "master's" bidding. Once the dictators gained full power over all people the useful idiots were squashed like cockroaches - silenced in more ways than one. They had served their purpose. The other useful idiots are the media & entertainers - basically any institution of mass public influence. All authoritarian style governments do this. The nazis did it, the fascists in Italy did it. An authoritarian government needs to control all public institutions of influence in order to control the type of influence they have over the people. All information spread from these institutions must ultimately serve the authoritarian government one way or another.
@KAW Right. Of course. Now, raise your fist like a good Marxist and say you want reparations. Ask for your loot, maybe then you own your own, but probably not. Or, actually be a "revolutionary" and back up what you are saying with action.
Look forward to it either way. The scourge of Marxism must eventually be destroyed. We can start now if you like.
Or are you just gonna complain the whole time tough guy and blame others for your inability to take what you _think_ is rightfully yours? You are going to have to prove it you deserve it.
Somehow I bet you are just waiting for somebody else to do all the heavy-lifting for you despite the virtue-signals.
Try-hard.
@KAW it was black americans who are condemning CRT that helped me analyze CRT the way I did.
White supremacist logic.
@@Based_Proletariat Black supremacist logic.
Honestly im black but i dont understand what the black man is saying, Is he speaking English?
Thank You Mark Lamont for calling him on his BS. He could not answer your question, that said everything l needed to know about him. KEEP CALLING HIM OUT!!!!