❤ the T-shirt. I've been dietary vegan for 2 years because I have a genetic metabolic disorder. I'm not sure what to make of ex Vegans like Lizzo. They're like ex Born Again Christians.
Veganism isn't a sensitive subject. Animals are sentient and sensitive beings, and humans get triggered when anyone informs them that they're paying for animal abuse.
The Carnist’s Prayer, by Totally Forkable: Animals don’t feel pain. At least not the ones I eat. And if they do, that’s just the circle of life. And if it isn’t, it’s just how I choose to eat. And if that’s wrong, I don’t really care. I won’t argue with you if you don’t argue with me. How I eat is none of your business. Stop judging me. Nobody likes a judgy vegan.
Everyone should eat however they want to. Veganism should disclose that there are 15 micronutrients not found anywhere in plant products, thus causing a slow or sometimes fast, deterioration as the body begins to shuffle around its resources. It is important to understand this, adjust accordingly, and deal with the fall out at some point in the future. It's all about awareness and knowledge is power. It is a difficult path. Be careful. Be well!
@@agreeablegraylife yes but you can get those micro nutrients by having a variety of plant sources throughout your meal plan on a weekly basis it just takes a little bit of mindfulness if someone truly does not want to hurt the animals they will find a way to do it there are so many options now it’s ridiculously easy if they’d rather not then that’s their prerogative to neither should be judged better or worse but obviously one is a little bit kinder than the other unless you do not know how to properly monitor gain awareness of basic vegan nutrition
@@agreeablegraylifethat simply isn't true!! your terminology betrays you; 'veganism should disclose'.. lol what a crock!! B12 everyone needs, omni or vegan, then take care to get some iodine (kelp or iodized salt) and omega3 (flax) and decent veg, fruit, nuts, seeds and you are good for 100 years+ healthy.
All I could think looking at your perfect skin and hair was: man, I'm really glad I don't eat meat. Or maybe, this is the person I want to meet. Let's be honest, plant based people are more beautiful, even if they come with American rather than British accents.
I love the "you do you" position when it comes to eating as if there isn't a victim involved. Using that logic, serial killers need to be left alone if killing makes them truly happy. Smh.
Excellent video! Watched with my husband while eating our breakfast this morning in Italy where we live. My only suggestion - and this is just a personal preference - would be that the video was 10 minutes instead of 20 - just because it’s hard to find the time to watch the whole thing. I would’ve divided up the women into two separate videos - Lizzo is big enough to have a video all on her own.
Additionally, because YOU DO YOU comes from the German “Jedem das Seine” Which was proclaimed over all the concentration camps for Jews, queer and disabled folks in nazi times 😢
Wow, the section about Lizzo was exasperating enough and then came Kristen Bell. Her I’ll go ahead and call despicable. In this age of information, it would take a lot of determination to avoid the truth of animal agriculture. How could she in good conscience have (1) remained vegetarian for 30 years and (2) regressed into full animal exploitation?!? To hear her talking about ‘harvesting’ animals ethically so she can sleep at night… What a terrible person.
I swear someone got a message from the meat industry with a few million dollars attached saying, "instead of calling it 'meat' refer to it as a macronutrient ['protein']." This construction seems to have emerged somewhere around 2015. I remember listening to NPR doing a bit for the local food shelf, "Please drop off canned foods, non-perishable boxed goods, and "protein" at location A." I was taken aback by the odd way to use the word "protein" like it's a whole food category, especially when they exclusively simply meant "meat." No way this is an organic phenomenon. I'd love to track down the origin. I'd bet anything this is industry propaganda.
@@daveferger9947 I didn't know that! I really think this is worth some investigative work. So many skeptically minded people I know--people skeptical of corporate power for example--throw up their hands when it comes to food. And most vegans I know simply take claims at face value (e.g., rebutting the scientific merits of 'protein quality' etc.). I typically don't like arguments from authority and ad hominems but I think people deserve to know if this is actually an industry talking point.
Not so sure about her personally being paid by the industry. But of course the industry's marketing efforts made sure people start using the word "protein" that way. And they succeeded. So now there's a lot of people talking that way, especially in certain circles like those that are into weird wellness ideas. I think they even feel like they sound more educated on the topic when they talk that way.
@@missoats8731 Absolutely! Well put. I didn't intend to suggest she personally was paid. Only that a targeted effort has been made to influence marketing and framing, not dissimilar to an ad read where influencers are told to mention certain keywords. For example, Joe Rogan's sponsorship by Butcherbox requires him to mention key phrases such as "high quality," "humanely raised," "food deserts," etc.
@@missoats8731 No, no, you missed my point. The think tanks have made "protein" a carnist talking point by popularizing it as a synonym for "meat". Not that Lizzo has any direct affiliation with the meat lobby.
Ya, I stopped getting exited about "vegan" celebrities a while ago. Great vid. Heads up for anyone near the Toronto Canada area. Vegan film festival and activist workshop. First time for me and super excited.
Assuming veganism is somehow a diet rather than a stance against animal cruelty... How in the world is anyone's argument that there's isn't enough protein???!! You can literally eat as much or as little protein as you want on it. You control it! What?!
I mean. Don't be ridiculous and pretend to not see it. You can get enough protein yes but the lean protein choices are very Limited. Basically just soy. Most things vegan with protein are a carb protein mix like beans
@@gur262beans, lentils, buckwheat - they're all more lean than chicken. And those are very healthy carbs you're avoiding. Great for heart health and glucose control.
@@gur262 Yeah I don't see it. I don't really eat mock meats and it's no problem just eating normal foods. I imagine you'd get too much if you started throwing mock meats into every meal on top of that. I'm about to go make lunch which my back of the envelope calculation has over 65g of protein. It's a "burrito bowl" with tofu, beans, lentils, spinach, lettuce, corn, salsa, avocado. If you wanted the "lean" version, drop the avocado. It won't impact protein. 0 saturated fat. Low calorie. Extremely filling. I don't understand the carb thing. Just eat normal. Don't try to restrict everything.
Great point--they found a new "quick fix." Although, as I learned in Dr. Barnard's latest book, vegan eating is the "natural Ozempic" as whole plant foods do the same thing in the body--increase GLP-1. Maybe I should send Lizzo a copy!
SUCH a great video, per usual! It's really hard when someone with a platform as large as Lizzo's misrepresents veganism. The wellness culture has gotten so our of control - it's feeling like it's just a way to be selfish and make selfish choices no matter who it harms. There are so many ways to be well and give ourselves self-care that doesn't inflict harm on others. In fact, I would say not inflicting harm is THE best self-care ultimately, as it always feels good to not harm animals. That feels so much more connective and wholesome to me than literally anything else!
This is so well said. The concept of "prioritizing your well-being" has gotten conflated with "be selfish no matter who it harms," and as you said, there are many ways to do both.
I unsubbed from the Plant Based News channel a few years ago because of their almost absurd focus on celebrities who "go vegan." That's all I have to say, because everything else you say very well here. Thanks for posting!
I talked to someone in vegan media recently who said "we do a lot of celebrity stories because it's a celebrity-driven climate" but I kinda disagree...I think us "normies" have major celeb fatigue and are only interested in celeb stories if they have a really interesting/unique angle...not just "XYZ Carnist Celebrity Invests in Vegan Burger Chain," etc.
Lizo aspiring to be some kind of super restrictive vegan while eating animals makes perfect sense actually. If she felt unwell on the vegan diet she might think "im not doing vegan very good. i'm over here eating oreos when i should be doing impossible thing xyz." impossible thing xyz are very strict and way out of her self control and will power right now. and she's feeling her imperfect vegan diet is negatively impacting her health. the solution is a better vegan diet, but if her idea of what would be the better vegan diet is the super restrictive one, and she needs nutrients now, then that would mean veganism is to aspire to later. as an analogy. i am a super picky eater and think it's unethical to eat animals. i go vegan. i am so picky i eat nothing but oreos. i get feedback to eat more beans and rice and fruit and veg and nuts and seed and what not, but i can't do it. my docs telling me eat a more varied vegan diet. my hypnotherapist is trying to hypnotize me into eating a wholesome vegan diet. i'm pushing myself so hard becsue the baby ducks. and getting sicker and sicker. i might conclude in my head "ok, vegan is still obvously the ethical choice, but im about to drop dead. i'll have some pizza and eggs and regroup mentally. maybe see a shrink, overcome any repressed trauma. unlearn diet culture. then i'll come back strong than ever and finally do this vegan thing.
Yes, I can see what you're saying here. Anyone eating that way who already had a significant eating problem (for whatever legitimate reasons) might still tend to pendulum swing back and forth, and try explain this to themselves somehow. So I only have empathy for the signs of an eating disorder that she showed there. Note: it's not her weight that's the issue here at all, it's her relationship with food that she may be having a serious battle with. Of course the main issue is what the animals feel about being eaten but still eating disorders are really really tough and no mistake.
Thank you for making this video!!! and for being so reasonable and informative. Also, totally unrelated, and I really hope you take this as the compliment it is intended to be, but I think you look like a younger Andie MacDowell. :) (Ironic that I would comment that in a video about not idealizing celebrities lol, but I hope it lands well!)
Your coverage on this topic was excellent. You said so many things that are my thoughts exactly! I find all this "vegan" celebrity idolatry really annoying is some ways. I look at the "who's vegan presently" lists now and then, for fun, but I take them with a big grain of salt. I saw a fairly recent video on "Peter Dinklage is no longer vegan"; he never was vegan (which they didn't even mention in the video). He has stated that he was vegetarian for part of his life, and now he's not. Frankly; I don't care about celebrities any more than anyone else, but I do care when they make ignorant and dangerous statements to a wide audience of fans (the majority of whom are probably pretty young).👍
4:51 if you actually read it - the #1 food is actually a plant - regardless of food on the rank list. It's actually - SOY PROT ISOLATE,K TYPE,CRUDE PROT BASIS at 88.32g of protein per 100g. Beat that animal products - yes that's right - plants have the most protein of any source on the usda list lol.
Aspiring to be a "raw, alkaline vegan" threw me for a loop. 🙄 I hate all of the misinformation out there that talks about veganism as a super restrictive diet with weird rules. It's just eliminating animal products because you care about reducing animal suffering! No celebrity should have a hard time meeting nutritional needs as a vegan with all of the money they have.
I love your videos! They are always well explained and entertaining! The only vegan around me is my twin sister so it’s refreshing to watch your videos. Keep up the good work!
Ole Lizzo's first sentence said it all really, an followed a nonsensical line from there. The fickle celebrity shenanigans of constantly calling self serving various plant based diets then referring themselves as a "Vegan" seems pretty perpetual at this stage unfortunately. Nice video lass fair play.🌱🌅☘️
The look on your face wrt to the "protein" comment. I feel that. Reminds me of Ivory King's video of years ago that answered that question. EDIT: ...aaaaand the eyeroll at Bell. So on point.
There are no health reasons for quitting veganism. It's nearly always a "social reason." ie, it's difficult for most people to not follow the herd. All vegans know how tough it is to be in a food based social gathering where when you don't eat anything it draw awkward negative attention on you. It takes inner strength to stand on your principles when your values are different than a room full of people who are your friends or coworkers.
People do develop fiber intolerances, which, in a world that doesn't only eat too much animal products, but also tons of low fiber junk, is hard to get over. Probably not impossible, if we took social stuff out of it. Which is another way to say that to become a healthy vegan requires uncommon qualities, especially in people who already ruined their microbiome.
@@k.h.6991agreed. And we have an epidemic of fibre intolerant people. It is possible to eat an ethical vegan, low fibre diet - but that does involve quite a bit of processed foods since they tend to be low fibre. But as we’ve said - veganism is an ethical stance not a wellness project
@TotallyForkable Vegans, especially recent vegans, need videos like that to get prepared mentally for the social situations they WILL encounter at some point. So, yeah, make that video and at regular intervals throughout each year, make a video to repeat the topic with real world examples of yourself and other vegans. People need to know they aren't alone because that can hopefully keep someone from caving in who has the values but feels alone.
I really don't feel like liking anyone famous anymore. They always disappoint so hard. Like, you think "oh, she seems nice and she's so talented". Next thing you hear is "I harvest meat ethically so I can sleep at night".
I don't know who this Lizzo person is, but these 'ex-vegan' celebrities are so damaging to veganism, because they have so many followers who are influenced by this rubbish. As we know they were never vegan, makes me so angry! Thank you so much, for calling out these idiots.
Yesss and all the comments being like "yaaaasss girl you're glowing!" as if that doesn't likely have more to do with her fancy skincare/facial/laser regimen and less with her adding in animal protein? 🤔
Don't even know who Lizzo is and happy about that. It is frustrating to find out about ex-vegans but I'm starting to become numb to it. And I don't even really care about celebrities but I know most people are really into them. Most people aren't critical thinkers and just adhere to a follower mentality and that's the way it's always going to be, in this type of society. It sounds very cynical but is there a more positive way to look at it?
I think the only positive angle would be that those follower types follow everything blindly and maybe some day that could be a vegan lifestyle. (Not really veganism though, because for that you kind of have to make a conscious choice.)
@@missoats8731 That's a good point! Or with education in school so more influencers grow up and become vegan. When I went to school as a kid we did learn about health, diet and so on but absolutely nothing about a vegan diet or veganism. But we did have some stuff on morals and ethics but nothing about veganism. We even had to visit a dairy farm I remember, the biggest one in the region but it was all just positive stuff they showed us. We got some mugs and hats and got to meet some cows. It was basically like a fun school trip.
That’s why she became so famous. These stars sign agreements in order to be lifted up…as long as they hold up agreement. It’s obvious it was to ‘pretend’ to be vegan while your fat and then announce that you’re no longer vegan…as you go on ozempic and lose weight…making your fans think it was because you stopped being vegan (and added animal based foods). I guess if she loses weight soon, we’ll know thats the truth.
21:21 maybe wellness cancelled veganism with the collagen and bone broth ideas, as well as snail slime I see pushed at stores. But if that's the case - vegan foods can have a comeback in wellness right?
Thanks for this. I lived in Japan and I don’t recall ever seeing the plate she showed when saying someone told me the Japanese diet is clean. The elders in Japan definitely eat less than 20% calories from fat and lower protein content as compared to the American diet. The Japanese are healthier than Americans. Unfortunately the younger Japanese generation is influenced by the fast food movement.
Great video, good work, I laughed several times throughout. I was very surprised you mentioned Field Roast because it is owned by Greenleaf Foods, SPC/Maple Leaf Foods, one of Canada’s largest meat and cheese producers. Because of this, I don’t support or buy from them. I would’ve thought you would be on top of this but maybe you didn’t know? so I’m wondering too, do you have an opinion on Plant-Based Capitalism? (Beyond Meat and Impossible Burger also fall into this category).
It's pretty clear to me what was going on with her "protein" quote: as a wealthy celebrity, she's connected to the fine dining / foodie culture, and that culture has massively shifted to using "protein" as a euphemism for "meat". She was about to say "meat" and then her brain's language app autocorrected it to the word fancy waiters use.
funny - I'm reading (and will post) an article of non-vegan celebs creating vegan businesses to make money off it. I guess the ones that stopped going vegan are missing out on the money train lol. Big loss for them - they could go bigger with such an opportunity!
Get out of here with your British vegan privilege! 😝 Seriously though I’m happy for you; it looks delicious. I went to a place in Camden ages ago when I was there in 2008 and can’t remember if it was Temple of Seitan or not! Either way I dragged all my flatmates there and they loved it 😊
Talking about "eating a balanced diet" when it comes to someone as grossly obese as Lizzo is patently absurd. I had no idea she ever claimed veganism...but even the discussion about this person's supposed "balanced diet" among people with proper eyesight tells you that something is fundamentally wrong in our society.
Her size was one reason people found her to be a good "ambassador" of the vegan movement. After all, vegans do come in all shapes and sizes and it's good for people to see that. However, it seems like there were some food issues going on behind the scenes and I can only speculate as to what those were, but it's unfortunate that the vegan diet ended up taking the blame. Mic the Vegan made a good point in his video that she's clearly been eating at a caloric deficit as well as working out which is going to lead to weight loss no matter your diet.
Excellent video! Watched with my husband while eating our breakfast this morning in Italy where we live. My only suggestion - and this is just a personal preference - would be that the video was 10 minutes instead of 20 - just because it’s hard to find the time to watch the whole thing. I would’ve divided up the women into two separate videos - Lizzo is big enough to have a video all on her own.
Funny how you managed to get to Italy needlessly without using anything that requires animal products. Oh right, you just pretend to be against using animal products for attention.
5:07 why not something realistic like spirulina - at 60g, or peanut flour at about the same place? Fine - something more realistic is freeze-dried parsley at 31.3g protein, but I realize people want more realistic than that. Dried pumpkin seeds (that I know for sure are not allergenic compared to wheat gluten and that people will snack on) has 30.23g protein. Got to keep up on that USDA databasing reading lol - I look at it practically all day.
I recently discovered there are 9g of protein in a corn cob. Two of them, some homemade bread and vegan spread and you have a lunch with 20-30g of protein!
It's not just not being vegan, but implying that animal proteins were necessary, and trivializing the vegan ethical message to her millions of followers. Not to mention advocating raw veganism, excuse me "alkalinizing" raw vegan.
This was my first time watching your content. This seems to remove a lot of the context here in favor of being very condescending in tone. I wish this was done in a way that actually talks about the different reasons people become plant based in their eating habits -- health and environmentalism are both 100% valid reasons to become plant based, while also talking about the vegan reasons to become plant based and what we can do to keep pushing forward in numbers. But I don't think your content is about that specifically and that's fine. Your target demo is different than me.
Can I suggest a video topic? Can you do a video on the vegan animal hierarchy? Why are cows, pigs and chickens so much valuable than squirrels, mice, lizards, deer, birds and the other animals that are killed by the trillions through the course of industrial agriculture?
Great video! I can't imagine eating meat ever again, like every true vegan that cares about animals. Even eggs and milk just gross me out, and I ate them everydays less then 3 years ago. I only wish I was a vegan sooner ❤
It was born and died over sixty years ago. No one practices it because it's too hard and inconvenient. Ask yourself honestly if you truly avoid all animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. If you're reading this, rest assured you use animal products needlessly.
If there's one thing I've learned being a US citizen over the last decade--as long as someone speaks confidently people will believe pretty much any BS they spew 🤦🏻♀️
At 5:00 you compare ultra processed products to chicken breast which is something minimally processed. Not very fair of you. If you are going to use seitan and vital wheat, why not compare it to whey?
That minimally processed chicken was almost certainly fed on UPF chicken feed, antibiotics, excess vitamins etc. you’re just outsourcing the UPF one rung down the food chain
@@ChefJollyRogervital wheat gluten, also called seitan, is simply wheat flour without the starch. It can easily be made at home and is no more processed than, say, bread
@@Dreamisanai before it reaches your home it goes through 3 or 4 processes such as grinding and shelling. Chicken breast is what it is. Again, why not compare it to whey that you can also do at home and with 90%+ protein?
@@ChefJollyRogershe was just comparing protein sources and also mentioned chickpeas, tempeh, etc. The point was that you can easily get enough protein on a plant-based diet
I'm vegetarian....i tried to became vegan but couldn't 😞 it's so fucking hard I'm Indian & we use dairy products ghee,curd, cheese alot among cooking, I'm a picky eater i don't like lentils i live vegetables & dairy product ( i don't consume eggs & meat i can't once i friend feed me without letting me know & i cried after that when i get to know i feel like i killed it)....i sometimes feel guilty not being vegan even sometimes feel bad for plants too👉👈..... I'm a student + i go to the gym i want to build muscles (vegan food becomes expensive bec it is deficit in some important micronutrients like zinc, calcium,b12, iodine,selenium, creatine, omega 3 + let's be practical every body needs certain amount of protein it can be hard if the number is high end not bec vegans don't have protein's but expect soya product's u have to eat lentils with any grain to make it complete source of protein & around 100gm of lentils will have 9 to 25 gm protein but u can't it 100gm of it bec it's high in fiber).....i think if someone is becoming vegan make sure to must get supplements ( yes vegan, vegetarian,non vegetarian person is deficit in some micronutrients but it is not optional for vegan it is a must have thing to tc of yourself)....no hate to vegan people.... I struggle to be vegan but what i do is not if i can't cut dairy products i try to buy only vegan,clothes,shoes,skin care,hair care products.... I'm not perfect but i try to do my best + i try to support small business & buying eco friendly products
Being vegan for years, doesn't know vegan diet contains protein - which a normal person would learn in LITERALLY five minutes (first time you google veganism, it is addressed in pretty much all ”being vegan” articles/tutorials). Sounds serious. I don't know this woman, but could it be that people supported her in part as virtue signalling, eg ”look at me, I support a black overweight woman, i am so unbigoted and unracist”.
I think a whole foods plant based diet is still the healthiest option, and yes, it does help people lose weight. However, it's not veganism. It's vegan food.
Thank you deeply and sincerely for your integrity, your comprehensive tending to subject, information, opinion, confusion, exclusion, sensation, etc. It is clear we are living in a society where people are so desperate to belong to be accepted and adored, forgiven and idolized, while simultaneously being terrified of being forgotten--and so punitively treated as to encourage them to seek approval by any means, So many of us have been raised by oppressive and brutal systems of violation and domination that we bounce all over trying to find safety in external validation and acceptance, even though that is the essence of precarity. I feel so much sympathy for people so bound to and defined by another, and yet i am immensely appreciative of your critique and your demand for accountability, honesty, transparency, vulnerability. I know lizzo occupies a kind of body (gender, race, size) that is inherently a site for constant assault, and that is so unfair and shitty, but i want us all to get somewhere better through honest and compassion--easier to practice for some bodies than others.
@@patrickdalton2424 She never stopped using animal products. No one ever stops. Claiming to be against animal exploitation is just for those who seek attention.
Lizzo seems so, so nice, and hearing you flip out about it is so funny to me. 😂 As a former vegetarian of 7 years back on an omnivorous diet, I came into this genuinely just curious what a vegan's perspective is on this, and you seem so hateful here. It's so sad. When I stopped being vegetarian, it was actually a profound experience in my life that led to it. Hearing someone be very dismissive of this and call it "pageantry" is so sad. Like... Get some perspective, girl. Have some empathy. Consider for a moment that not everyone who disagrees with you is full of sh*t when expressing their feelings about things that you don't share. Calling Lizzo's rhetoric "self centered" when she said "as long as you're happy, I'm happy" is so backwards. You aren't paying attention to what she's saying because you just assume unfairly that it's insincere.
I fucking hate this title but it’s only the thumbnail, first frustrating moment of this entire video, along with the subheading. Before the video has even begun, we get the same tale as old as time crime of the “media misrepresenting veganism” and vegans misrepresenting themselves. Trying to prevent bad vegan PR or trying to give it a larger platform?
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❤ the T-shirt. I've been dietary vegan for 2 years because I have a genetic metabolic disorder. I'm not sure what to make of ex Vegans like Lizzo. They're like ex Born Again Christians.
Veganism isn't a sensitive subject. Animals are sentient and sensitive beings, and humans get triggered when anyone informs them that they're paying for animal abuse.
And the destruction of their childrens’ future
Perfectly said.
The Carnist’s Prayer, by Totally Forkable:
Animals don’t feel pain.
At least not the ones I eat.
And if they do, that’s just the circle of life.
And if it isn’t, it’s just how I choose to eat.
And if that’s wrong, I don’t really care.
I won’t argue with you if you don’t argue with me.
How I eat is none of your business.
Stop judging me.
Nobody likes a judgy vegan.
if this doesn't turn into a rap - I sure will have to see into it myself lol. Hit the beat - a put in a remix!
Everyone should eat however they want to. Veganism should disclose that there are 15 micronutrients not found anywhere in plant products, thus causing a slow or sometimes fast, deterioration as the body begins to shuffle around its resources. It is important to understand this, adjust accordingly, and deal with the fall out at some point in the future. It's all about awareness and knowledge is power. It is a difficult path. Be careful. Be well!
@@agreeablegraylife yes but you can get those micro nutrients by having a variety of plant sources throughout your meal plan on a weekly basis it just takes a little bit of mindfulness if someone truly does not want to hurt the animals they will find a way to do it there are so many options now it’s ridiculously easy if they’d rather not then that’s their prerogative to neither should be judged better or worse but obviously one is a little bit kinder than the other unless you do not know how to properly monitor gain awareness of basic vegan nutrition
@@agreeablegraylifethat simply isn't true!! your terminology betrays you; 'veganism should disclose'.. lol what a crock!! B12 everyone needs, omni or vegan, then take care to get some iodine (kelp or iodized salt) and omega3 (flax) and decent veg, fruit, nuts, seeds and you are good for 100 years+ healthy.
@@agreeablegraylifewrong. Every single nutrient comes from the land, from plants.
All I could think looking at Lizzo’s chicken wrap was: man, I’m really glad I don’t eat meat 🤢
💯... gag worthy
All I could think looking at your perfect skin and hair was: man, I'm really glad I don't eat meat.
Or maybe, this is the person I want to meet.
Let's be honest, plant based people are more beautiful, even if they come with American rather than British accents.
I love the "you do you" position when it comes to eating as if there isn't a victim involved. Using that logic, serial killers need to be left alone if killing makes them truly happy. Smh.
Exactly.
Excellent video! Watched with my husband while eating our breakfast this morning in Italy where we live. My only suggestion - and this is just a personal preference - would be that the video was 10 minutes instead of 20 - just because it’s hard to find the time to watch the whole thing. I would’ve divided up the women into two separate videos - Lizzo is big enough to have a video all on her own.
Additionally, because
YOU DO YOU
comes from the German
“Jedem das Seine”
Which was proclaimed over all the concentration camps for Jews, queer and disabled folks in nazi times 😢
Completely agree. Where do we draw the line?
@katsweeterly2039 OMG I did not know this. Yikes!
Wow, the section about Lizzo was exasperating enough and then came Kristen Bell. Her I’ll go ahead and call despicable. In this age of information, it would take a lot of determination to avoid the truth of animal agriculture. How could she in good conscience have (1) remained vegetarian for 30 years and (2) regressed into full animal exploitation?!? To hear her talking about ‘harvesting’ animals ethically so she can sleep at night… What a terrible person.
I swear someone got a message from the meat industry with a few million dollars attached saying, "instead of calling it 'meat' refer to it as a macronutrient ['protein']."
This construction seems to have emerged somewhere around 2015. I remember listening to NPR doing a bit for the local food shelf, "Please drop off canned foods, non-perishable boxed goods, and "protein" at location A." I was taken aback by the odd way to use the word "protein" like it's a whole food category, especially when they exclusively simply meant "meat."
No way this is an organic phenomenon. I'd love to track down the origin. I'd bet anything this is industry propaganda.
You know that's right. It came straight from the think tanks.
I think they call it the Meat Council. (surprised they haven't doctored up THAT name)
@@daveferger9947 I didn't know that! I really think this is worth some investigative work. So many skeptically minded people I know--people skeptical of corporate power for example--throw up their hands when it comes to food.
And most vegans I know simply take claims at face value (e.g., rebutting the scientific merits of 'protein quality' etc.). I typically don't like arguments from authority and ad hominems but I think people deserve to know if this is actually an industry talking point.
Not so sure about her personally being paid by the industry. But of course the industry's marketing efforts made sure people start using the word "protein" that way. And they succeeded. So now there's a lot of people talking that way, especially in certain circles like those that are into weird wellness ideas. I think they even feel like they sound more educated on the topic when they talk that way.
@@missoats8731 Absolutely! Well put. I didn't intend to suggest she personally was paid. Only that a targeted effort has been made to influence marketing and framing, not dissimilar to an ad read where influencers are told to mention certain keywords.
For example, Joe Rogan's sponsorship by Butcherbox requires him to mention key phrases such as "high quality," "humanely raised," "food deserts," etc.
@@missoats8731 No, no, you missed my point. The think tanks have made "protein" a carnist talking point by popularizing it as a synonym for "meat". Not that Lizzo has any direct affiliation with the meat lobby.
Ya, I stopped getting exited about "vegan" celebrities a while ago. Great vid. Heads up for anyone near the Toronto Canada area. Vegan film festival and activist workshop. First time for me and super excited.
Sounds great! On my recent Vegandale video there is a top comment with everyone commenting local festival suggestions if you want to add it there 😊
Assuming veganism is somehow a diet rather than a stance against animal cruelty... How in the world is anyone's argument that there's isn't enough protein???!! You can literally eat as much or as little protein as you want on it. You control it! What?!
I mean. Don't be ridiculous and pretend to not see it. You can get enough protein yes but the lean protein choices are very Limited. Basically just soy. Most things vegan with protein are a carb protein mix like beans
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@@gur262beans, lentils, buckwheat - they're all more lean than chicken. And those are very healthy carbs you're avoiding. Great for heart health and glucose control.
@@gur262 Yeah I don't see it. I don't really eat mock meats and it's no problem just eating normal foods. I imagine you'd get too much if you started throwing mock meats into every meal on top of that. I'm about to go make lunch which my back of the envelope calculation has over 65g of protein. It's a "burrito bowl" with tofu, beans, lentils, spinach, lettuce, corn, salsa, avocado. If you wanted the "lean" version, drop the avocado. It won't impact protein. 0 saturated fat. Low calorie. Extremely filling. I don't understand the carb thing. Just eat normal. Don't try to restrict everything.
@@gur262literally every vegan protein source is lean 😂
I used to be vegan, too. I’m still vegan.
Sounds like mitch hedberg
I was never vegan, still not vegan, have zero plans to become vegan
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I wonder if the increased use of ozempic affected the Hollywood “vegans”.
Great point--they found a new "quick fix." Although, as I learned in Dr. Barnard's latest book, vegan eating is the "natural Ozempic" as whole plant foods do the same thing in the body--increase GLP-1. Maybe I should send Lizzo a copy!
SUCH a great video, per usual! It's really hard when someone with a platform as large as Lizzo's misrepresents veganism. The wellness culture has gotten so our of control - it's feeling like it's just a way to be selfish and make selfish choices no matter who it harms. There are so many ways to be well and give ourselves self-care that doesn't inflict harm on others. In fact, I would say not inflicting harm is THE best self-care ultimately, as it always feels good to not harm animals. That feels so much more connective and wholesome to me than literally anything else!
This is so well said. The concept of "prioritizing your well-being" has gotten conflated with "be selfish no matter who it harms," and as you said, there are many ways to do both.
I unsubbed from the Plant Based News channel a few years ago because of their almost absurd focus on celebrities who "go vegan." That's all I have to say, because everything else you say very well here. Thanks for posting!
I unsubbed last year.
I talked to someone in vegan media recently who said "we do a lot of celebrity stories because it's a celebrity-driven climate" but I kinda disagree...I think us "normies" have major celeb fatigue and are only interested in celeb stories if they have a really interesting/unique angle...not just "XYZ Carnist Celebrity Invests in Vegan Burger Chain," etc.
Lizo aspiring to be some kind of super restrictive vegan while eating animals makes perfect sense actually. If she felt unwell on the vegan diet she might think "im not doing vegan very good. i'm over here eating oreos when i should be doing impossible thing xyz." impossible thing xyz are very strict and way out of her self control and will power right now. and she's feeling her imperfect vegan diet is negatively impacting her health.
the solution is a better vegan diet, but if her idea of what would be the better vegan diet is the super restrictive one, and she needs nutrients now, then that would mean veganism is to aspire to later.
as an analogy. i am a super picky eater and think it's unethical to eat animals. i go vegan. i am so picky i eat nothing but oreos. i get feedback to eat more beans and rice and fruit and veg and nuts and seed and what not, but i can't do it. my docs telling me eat a more varied vegan diet. my hypnotherapist is trying to hypnotize me into eating a wholesome vegan diet. i'm pushing myself so hard becsue the baby ducks. and getting sicker and sicker.
i might conclude in my head "ok, vegan is still obvously the ethical choice, but im about to drop dead. i'll have some pizza and eggs and regroup mentally. maybe see a shrink, overcome any repressed trauma. unlearn diet culture. then i'll come back strong than ever and finally do this vegan thing.
Yes, I can see what you're saying here. Anyone eating that way who already had a significant eating problem (for whatever legitimate reasons) might still tend to pendulum swing back and forth, and try explain this to themselves somehow. So I only have empathy for the signs of an eating disorder that she showed there. Note: it's not her weight that's the issue here at all, it's her relationship with food that she may be having a serious battle with. Of course the main issue is what the animals feel about being eaten but still eating disorders are really really tough and no mistake.
Thank you for making this video!!! and for being so reasonable and informative. Also, totally unrelated, and I really hope you take this as the compliment it is intended to be, but I think you look like a younger Andie MacDowell. :) (Ironic that I would comment that in a video about not idealizing celebrities lol, but I hope it lands well!)
Thank you, and I take it as a huge compliment! I will get Andie comparisons particularly when I wear my hair wavy/curly, so this tracks 😂🙏🏻
No. One can't cancel compassion. I agree with the points made. They made well.
Exactly!! 🙏🏻
This is so smart and fun, I feel like I'm taking sanity pills watching it. Thanks again!
Your coverage on this topic was excellent. You said so many things that are my thoughts exactly! I find all this "vegan" celebrity idolatry really annoying is some ways. I look at the "who's vegan presently" lists now and then, for fun, but I take them with a big grain of salt. I saw a fairly recent video on "Peter Dinklage is no longer vegan"; he never was vegan (which they didn't even mention in the video). He has stated that he was vegetarian for part of his life, and now he's not. Frankly; I don't care about celebrities any more than anyone else, but I do care when they make ignorant and dangerous statements to a wide audience of fans (the majority of whom are probably pretty young).👍
Thank you for summarising my thoughts on this in a much more eloquent and also humorous way - great video!
🙏🏻 Glad you enjoyed!
4:51 if you actually read it - the #1 food is actually a plant - regardless of food on the rank list. It's actually - SOY PROT ISOLATE,K TYPE,CRUDE PROT BASIS at 88.32g of protein per 100g. Beat that animal products - yes that's right - plants have the most protein of any source on the usda list lol.
Aspiring to be a "raw, alkaline vegan" threw me for a loop. 🙄 I hate all of the misinformation out there that talks about veganism as a super restrictive diet with weird rules. It's just eliminating animal products because you care about reducing animal suffering! No celebrity should have a hard time meeting nutritional needs as a vegan with all of the money they have.
I love your videos! They are always well explained and entertaining! The only vegan around me is my twin sister so it’s refreshing to watch your videos. Keep up the good work!
Wow, so awesome to have like-minded sis!
Ole Lizzo's first sentence said it all really, an followed a nonsensical line from there. The fickle celebrity shenanigans of constantly calling self serving various plant based diets then referring themselves as a "Vegan" seems pretty perpetual at this stage unfortunately. Nice video lass fair play.🌱🌅☘️
Absolutely! We knew it wasn't going to be good and expectations were met 🫠
The look on your face wrt to the "protein" comment. I feel that.
Reminds me of Ivory King's video of years ago that answered that question.
EDIT: ...aaaaand the eyeroll at Bell. So on point.
There are no health reasons for quitting veganism. It's nearly always a "social reason." ie, it's difficult for most people to not follow the herd. All vegans know how tough it is to be in a food based social gathering where when you don't eat anything it draw awkward negative attention on you. It takes inner strength to stand on your principles when your values are different than a room full of people who are your friends or coworkers.
People do develop fiber intolerances, which, in a world that doesn't only eat too much animal products, but also tons of low fiber junk, is hard to get over. Probably not impossible, if we took social stuff out of it. Which is another way to say that to become a healthy vegan requires uncommon qualities, especially in people who already ruined their microbiome.
@@k.h.6991agreed. And we have an epidemic of fibre intolerant people. It is possible to eat an ethical vegan, low fibre diet - but that does involve quite a bit of processed foods since they tend to be low fibre. But as we’ve said - veganism is an ethical stance not a wellness project
@@k.h.6991 That's why some people need to seek a gut specialist and try to get help. Those medical specialists exist.
This it, the hardest part about staying vegan for most people IMO. Have been thinking about making a video on this for a while.
@TotallyForkable Vegans, especially recent vegans, need videos like that to get prepared mentally for the social situations they WILL encounter at some point. So, yeah, make that video and at regular intervals throughout each year, make a video to repeat the topic with real world examples of yourself and other vegans. People need to know they aren't alone because that can hopefully keep someone from caving in who has the values but feels alone.
Commenting for the algorithm gods. We need more people to watch your content!
I really don't feel like liking anyone famous anymore. They always disappoint so hard. Like, you think "oh, she seems nice and she's so talented". Next thing you hear is "I harvest meat ethically so I can sleep at night".
I don't know who this Lizzo person is, but these 'ex-vegan' celebrities are so damaging to veganism, because they have so many followers who are influenced by this rubbish. As we know they were never vegan, makes me so angry! Thank you so much, for calling out these idiots.
Yesss and all the comments being like "yaaaasss girl you're glowing!" as if that doesn't likely have more to do with her fancy skincare/facial/laser regimen and less with her adding in animal protein? 🤔
Don't even know who Lizzo is and happy about that. It is frustrating to find out about ex-vegans but I'm starting to become numb to it. And I don't even really care about celebrities but I know most people are really into them.
Most people aren't critical thinkers and just adhere to a follower mentality and that's the way it's always going to be, in this type of society. It sounds very cynical but is there a more positive way to look at it?
I think the only positive angle would be that those follower types follow everything blindly and maybe some day that could be a vegan lifestyle. (Not really veganism though, because for that you kind of have to make a conscious choice.)
@@missoats8731 That's a good point! Or with education in school so more influencers grow up and become vegan. When I went to school as a kid we did learn about health, diet and so on but absolutely nothing about a vegan diet or veganism. But we did have some stuff on morals and ethics but nothing about veganism. We even had to visit a dairy farm I remember, the biggest one in the region but it was all just positive stuff they showed us. We got some mugs and hats and got to meet some cows. It was basically like a fun school trip.
I call myself an ethical murderer, lol
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@@TotallyForkable Yeah, I just thought that was funny, I'm vegan through and through and really appreciate your content
2:46 the thing is - she never said she's a vegan. Even if she 'did' - she really never seemed on it to me.
That’s why she became so famous. These stars sign agreements in order to be lifted up…as long as they hold up agreement. It’s obvious it was to ‘pretend’ to be vegan while your fat and then announce that you’re no longer vegan…as you go on ozempic and lose weight…making your fans think it was because you stopped being vegan (and added animal based foods). I guess if she loses weight soon, we’ll know thats the truth.
21:21 maybe wellness cancelled veganism with the collagen and bone broth ideas, as well as snail slime I see pushed at stores. But if that's the case - vegan foods can have a comeback in wellness right?
💯 and you make good points; that's more where I thought the article was heading. Would have been a much more compelling argument.
Thanks for this. I lived in Japan and I don’t recall ever seeing the plate she showed when saying someone told me the Japanese diet is clean. The elders in Japan definitely eat less than 20% calories from fat and lower protein content as compared to the American diet. The Japanese are healthier than Americans. Unfortunately the younger Japanese generation is influenced by the fast food movement.
I`m glad you watch/react to these "former vegans" because I find them ridiculous and...well...no further comment🤐
Great video, good work, I laughed several times throughout. I was very surprised you mentioned Field Roast because it is owned by Greenleaf Foods, SPC/Maple Leaf Foods, one of Canada’s largest meat and cheese producers. Because of this, I don’t support or buy from them. I would’ve thought you would be on top of this but maybe you didn’t know? so I’m wondering too, do you have an opinion on Plant-Based Capitalism? (Beyond Meat and Impossible Burger also fall into this category).
It's pretty clear to me what was going on with her "protein" quote: as a wealthy celebrity, she's connected to the fine dining / foodie culture, and that culture has massively shifted to using "protein" as a euphemism for "meat". She was about to say "meat" and then her brain's language app autocorrected it to the word fancy waiters use.
she checks all the vegan bingo card
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funny - I'm reading (and will post) an article of non-vegan celebs creating vegan businesses to make money off it. I guess the ones that stopped going vegan are missing out on the money train lol. Big loss for them - they could go bigger with such an opportunity!
Celebs have definitely begun to view the vegan movement as a [mushroom] gravy train over the last few years!
Had Temple of Seitan tonight in Camden. 🤤
Get out of here with your British vegan privilege! 😝 Seriously though I’m happy for you; it looks delicious. I went to a place in Camden ages ago when I was there in 2008 and can’t remember if it was Temple of Seitan or not! Either way I dragged all my flatmates there and they loved it 😊
It’s frustrating… all of it.
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Talking about "eating a balanced diet" when it comes to someone as grossly obese as Lizzo is patently absurd. I had no idea she ever claimed veganism...but even the discussion about this person's supposed "balanced diet" among people with proper eyesight tells you that something is fundamentally wrong in our society.
Her size was one reason people found her to be a good "ambassador" of the vegan movement. After all, vegans do come in all shapes and sizes and it's good for people to see that. However, it seems like there were some food issues going on behind the scenes and I can only speculate as to what those were, but it's unfortunate that the vegan diet ended up taking the blame. Mic the Vegan made a good point in his video that she's clearly been eating at a caloric deficit as well as working out which is going to lead to weight loss no matter your diet.
@@TotallyForkable Yeah vegan or not: asserting that someone who looks like that eats a "balanced diet" is equal to putting on clown make up...
My goals are to reduce exploitation
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RAW ALKALINE vegan diet.. now i understand why she felt good when she was finally getting more calories and protein!
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Excellent video! Watched with my husband while eating our breakfast this morning in Italy where we live. My only suggestion - and this is just a personal preference - would be that the video was 10 minutes instead of 20 - just because it’s hard to find the time to watch the whole thing. I would’ve divided up the women into two separate videos - Lizzo is big enough to have a video all on her own.
Freak show
Funny how you managed to get to Italy needlessly without using anything that requires animal products.
Oh right, you just pretend to be against using animal products for attention.
Thank you so much, and I appreciate the feedback! PS good for you--living in Italy sounds fabulous! 🌱🫶🏻
5:07 why not something realistic like spirulina - at 60g, or peanut flour at about the same place? Fine - something more realistic is freeze-dried parsley at 31.3g protein, but I realize people want more realistic than that. Dried pumpkin seeds (that I know for sure are not allergenic compared to wheat gluten and that people will snack on) has 30.23g protein. Got to keep up on that USDA databasing reading lol - I look at it practically all day.
I recently discovered there are 9g of protein in a corn cob. Two of them, some homemade bread and vegan spread and you have a lunch with 20-30g of protein!
Wait I’m getting my bingo board ready!
“I have a lot of shit to lose!” 😂 girl, the same!! 🌱❤
And they need to rephrase “I’m no longer vegan” to “I no longer follow a vegan diet, a vegan junk food diet
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4:40 foraging and using the usda database - sounds like my realm lol
It's not just not being vegan, but implying that animal proteins were necessary, and trivializing the vegan ethical message to her millions of followers. Not to mention advocating raw veganism, excuse me "alkalinizing" raw vegan.
Say it ain't so.(response to your lede)
Huh, no blazer? This must be serious.
Thanks again for your posts.😊
Lol! Blazers are for Good Vegan News only! 🎤📰
I think wellness dropping veganism can be good, we can rebrand or something like that
The ones with the most money give up veganism because they don’t fell good, feel weak, blah, blah, blah, they could get a nutritionist involved. Lame.
Good work keep it up!!
This was my first time watching your content. This seems to remove a lot of the context here in favor of being very condescending in tone. I wish this was done in a way that actually talks about the different reasons people become plant based in their eating habits -- health and environmentalism are both 100% valid reasons to become plant based, while also talking about the vegan reasons to become plant based and what we can do to keep pushing forward in numbers. But I don't think your content is about that specifically and that's fine. Your target demo is different than me.
The issue is people going plant based and calling it vegan
My channel is about veganism and I’m sarcastic. Welcome! 😊
@@Dreamisanai That's everyone who claims to be one of them.
Everyone here uses animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid.
Great video!
Thank you!
Chicken and eggs? Wow, this Lizzo chick really has it in for the birds. 🤔
Right?! 😢💔🐣
Hmm, I don't remember signing up for Fancy Fork. Do you think there might be other Zachs in the world? Congrats, Zach. -Zach
😂 Attack of the Zachs! 🎩🍴
I think many vegans could benefit learning from Buddhist monks.
Can I suggest a video topic? Can you do a video on the vegan animal hierarchy? Why are cows, pigs and chickens so much valuable than squirrels, mice, lizards, deer, birds and the other animals that are killed by the trillions through the course of industrial agriculture?
Great video! I can't imagine eating meat ever again, like every true vegan that cares about animals. Even eggs and milk just gross me out, and I ate them everydays less then 3 years ago. I only wish I was a vegan sooner ❤
She was payed giving up veganism.
It was born and died over sixty years ago.
No one practices it because it's too hard and inconvenient.
Ask yourself honestly if you truly avoid all animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid.
If you're reading this, rest assured you use animal products needlessly.
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Who the hell takes diet advice from Lizzo?
If there's one thing I've learned being a US citizen over the last decade--as long as someone speaks confidently people will believe pretty much any BS they spew 🤦🏻♀️
At 5:00 you compare ultra processed products to chicken breast which is something minimally processed. Not very fair of you. If you are going to use seitan and vital wheat, why not compare it to whey?
That minimally processed chicken was almost certainly fed on UPF chicken feed, antibiotics, excess vitamins etc. you’re just outsourcing the UPF one rung down the food chain
@@aeh323 you got a point there but you can also get chicken not fed that. The comparison is still wrong
@@ChefJollyRogervital wheat gluten, also called seitan, is simply wheat flour without the starch. It can easily be made at home and is no more processed than, say, bread
@@Dreamisanai before it reaches your home it goes through 3 or 4 processes such as grinding and shelling. Chicken breast is what it is. Again, why not compare it to whey that you can also do at home and with 90%+ protein?
@@ChefJollyRogershe was just comparing protein sources and also mentioned chickpeas, tempeh, etc. The point was that you can easily get enough protein on a plant-based diet
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I'm vegetarian....i tried to became vegan but couldn't 😞 it's so fucking hard I'm Indian & we use dairy products ghee,curd, cheese alot among cooking, I'm a picky eater i don't like lentils i live vegetables & dairy product ( i don't consume eggs & meat i can't once i friend feed me without letting me know & i cried after that when i get to know i feel like i killed it)....i sometimes feel guilty not being vegan even sometimes feel bad for plants too👉👈..... I'm a student + i go to the gym i want to build muscles (vegan food becomes expensive bec it is deficit in some important micronutrients like zinc, calcium,b12, iodine,selenium, creatine, omega 3 + let's be practical every body needs certain amount of protein it can be hard if the number is high end not bec vegans don't have protein's but expect soya product's u have to eat lentils with any grain to make it complete source of protein & around 100gm of lentils will have 9 to 25 gm protein but u can't it 100gm of it bec it's high in fiber).....i think if someone is becoming vegan make sure to must get supplements ( yes vegan, vegetarian,non vegetarian person is deficit in some micronutrients but it is not optional for vegan it is a must have thing to tc of yourself)....no hate to vegan people.... I struggle to be vegan but what i do is not if i can't cut dairy products i try to buy only vegan,clothes,shoes,skin care,hair care products.... I'm not perfect but i try to do my best + i try to support small business & buying eco friendly products
Being vegan for years, doesn't know vegan diet contains protein - which a normal person would learn in LITERALLY five minutes (first time you google veganism, it is addressed in pretty much all ”being vegan” articles/tutorials). Sounds serious. I don't know this woman, but could it be that people supported her in part as virtue signalling, eg ”look at me, I support a black overweight woman, i am so unbigoted and unracist”.
I agree 100%
No need to be so deceitful.
You use animal products just like everyone else here.
Her real problem is willful ignorance 🤦🏻♀️ And yeah I kinda agree on your last point 🫣
I think a whole foods plant based diet is still the healthiest option, and yes, it does help people lose weight. However, it's not veganism. It's vegan food.
Exactly! The wording is important here!
Thank you deeply and sincerely for your integrity, your comprehensive tending to subject, information, opinion, confusion, exclusion, sensation, etc. It is clear we are living in a society where people are so desperate to belong to be accepted and adored, forgiven and idolized, while simultaneously being terrified of being forgotten--and so punitively treated as to encourage them to seek approval by any means, So many of us have been raised by oppressive and brutal systems of violation and domination that we bounce all over trying to find safety in external validation and acceptance, even though that is the essence of precarity. I feel so much sympathy for people so bound to and defined by another, and yet i am immensely appreciative of your critique and your demand for accountability, honesty, transparency, vulnerability. I know lizzo occupies a kind of body (gender, race, size) that is inherently a site for constant assault, and that is so unfair and shitty, but i want us all to get somewhere better through honest and compassion--easier to practice for some bodies than others.
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I don’t pay attention to celebrity vegans because they’re all so flakey.
Truth!
Zzzzzzzzzz… not you, them 🙄
isn't this a common theme in the news?
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What a load of rubbish she spouts about veganism. The most healthy diet if planned properly. And more importantly think about animal suffering!!!
When Kristen bell was vegetarian was she consuming fish, eggs, cheese and milk ?
Ah that well known vegetable - the fish
@@aeh323 i know right! Like how is it ok for vegetarians to eat fish ?
@@patrickdalton2424 She never stopped using animal products.
No one ever stops.
Claiming to be against animal exploitation is just for those who seek attention.
I assumed she was a true "vegetarian;" I didn't see anything about her eating fish during that time but maybe she did!
@@TotallyForkable what is a true vegetarian ?
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Lizzo seems so, so nice, and hearing you flip out about it is so funny to me. 😂 As a former vegetarian of 7 years back on an omnivorous diet, I came into this genuinely just curious what a vegan's perspective is on this, and you seem so hateful here. It's so sad. When I stopped being vegetarian, it was actually a profound experience in my life that led to it. Hearing someone be very dismissive of this and call it "pageantry" is so sad. Like... Get some perspective, girl. Have some empathy. Consider for a moment that not everyone who disagrees with you is full of sh*t when expressing their feelings about things that you don't share. Calling Lizzo's rhetoric "self centered" when she said "as long as you're happy, I'm happy" is so backwards. You aren't paying attention to what she's saying because you just assume unfairly that it's insincere.
I fucking hate this title but it’s only the thumbnail, first frustrating moment of this entire video, along with the subheading. Before the video has even begun, we get the same tale as old as time crime of the “media misrepresenting veganism” and vegans misrepresenting themselves. Trying to prevent bad vegan PR or trying to give it a larger platform?
If veganism makes you happy, then be vegan. If not, then that's okay, too. People should do whats best for them.
Yes, as long as people are happy, they can freely ignore the brutal suffering they inflict on their victims! 😊
@seitanarchist I agree. Enjoy your lunch!😆😈
Here vegans… since more than 15 years 😅 I think we will stay there and not eat more « protein » than plants give us 😂😂😂 we have plenty !