Low Cost ARC A380 Powered Budget Gaming PC! Was It Worth Doing?
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00:00 Introduction
00:12 Build Overview
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01:59 Parts Used In Build
03:21 Putting It All Together
06:03 Teting It Out
09:17 FInal Thoughts 
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I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact that Arc cards lose A LOT of performance if you can't enable resizable bar. Forget PCIe 4.0 and forget potential bottlenecking, the A380 is somewhere near a 1650 in terms of performance, you simply shouldn't consider putting an Arc card in an older system simply because you can't enable resizable bar.
Why is that
Totally agree. The Arc 380 isn't a good pairing. It'd be better to match that CPU with a Radeon 480 8GB and not leave so much performance off the table. The 1660 he mentioned would be even better, but you probably won't find one of those for $60 like the 480 (which you could flash with a 580 firmware).
@@DowneyMax I honestly don't know. You'd have to ask Intel why the the Arc architecture was designed around resizable bar. I've not seen any information why they made that decision or if it was necessary for some reason. I would like to know as well. Arc could have been an awesome budget option for a lot of people, but Intel really alienated a huge segment of the market considering re-bar wasn't a thing until the 3xx Intel chipsets. Thankfully, on the AMD size, re-bar has been supported since first gen Ryzen.
@DowneyMax he just said why
@@dividion8102 Yeah, the 1660 is stupidly over priced for some reason on the second hand market. You can get a 1660 Super for the same money and they pull pretty much the same amount of power. Polaris cards are a stupidly good value right now.
That poor gpu would be bottleneck by that decade old pc because intel arc requires rebar to fully utilize the gpu performance
My Home PC Desktop is Budget Gaming, it's really nice to see that you still make videos on this type of PC. Thank you
love to see builds like this, I did a similar build in 2019 for my son, using a lenovo prebuilt that came with an i7 3770 and 16GB RAM, swapped the psu (with adapter) for a bstock evga psu, added a 256GB ssd, and a 8GB rX 580, for the price i think the 580 is still a better deal today than the A380.
I built my sleeper pc in this case and what I love about it is I don’t need screws to open it up and can easily access the components, I put a new 500w psu and a cheap a320 MicroATX mb and RTX 3060 took off the HDD bay and where the HDD bay was I put an extra 120mm fan using a double sided adhesive pad if you don’t want to drill more holes, temps are great, runs like a champ
A man of culture.
Btw a vetroo V5 cooler does fit in this case
... Why not just buy a used case if you are already changing everything?
I could’ve boughten a new case but I liked the idea of a sleeper pc, something that’s not eye catching but a beast on the inside
Intel themselves say not to bother with an ARC card if your system doesn’t support resizable BAR. Which this Haswell CPU doesn’t. (My ancient desktop has a 4770K, so I’ve looked into this.)
I have a PC with the 4770K and opted for a 2060 since it's a PCIE Gen 3 card and the motherboard supports it. I picked up the ASUS Dual 2060 6gig last November brand new for $180. It's a nice card and it performs really well. I'm mostly into older gaming along with emulation and productivity stuff but it's a very capable card that pairs well with the 4770K.
A new ARC build with a 1200F paired with the new budget a580 would be awesome to see!
A580 not so budget and power hungry, 40w in idle...
@@pulp2560
Power hungry yes, it definitely is. Just like the RX 6600. The so called 20ms spikes that are demonstrated by TechPowerUp prove this. But both the a580 and RX6600 are considered budget cards. The a380 and both RX6400 and RX6500XT should be considered as entry level GPUs. The same can be said about the infamous GTX 1630.
@@ionamygdalon2263no other outlet has the 6600 consuming as much as the a580 in either idle or on a full load, the 6600 generally consumes half of what the a580 does
Let alone... The a750 is just 20 bucks more, the a580 is one of the worst values at the moment
i just picked up the Sparkle Intel Arc A380 ELF, bc it has no exturnal power but i am still so glad to see this!
That's very interesting. The card still performs good even without resizable bar.
For everyone who doesn't know better, unlike ETA, if you mix the ram sizes most motherboards (if not all) will not do dual or quad channel ram. Better off getting two 4, and two 8's, or just four 8s or 4s.
I didn't know that... even modern ones?
Intel isn't as picky about ram configuration as amd
Thats not really true for older ddr4 systems like this. Especially ones designed for the office environment. Yes you lose some performance but we are talking about around 2%.
@@baroncalamityplus this is 100% true. Mixed ram sizes will not give you a dual channel config. Also this is a 4th gen ddr3 system not ddr4.
@@radradR0botdoesn't matter channels have to match in size to be configured in dual/quad
would be great to see a budget build with the a380 in a small form factor with an intel cpu something like a mini pc setup, that would be something a lot of people would be interested in...none the less, great video.
A380 also has AV1 you could use it for handbrake encoding and streaming
If all you want to do is watch videos and encode videos then the Intel a380 is perfect. It has the ability to decode AV1 and also the ability to encode to AV1 (using handbrake).
I built my son a computer similar to this. Bought a "Treasure Box" PC on Amazon. It's a refurbished Dell SSF i5-4570 with 16GB RAM. Took it innards and put in a case with a RX550 and 450W.PSU.
Performs well with the games he plays. Fortnite, Overwatch 2. Naruto: Ninja Storm 4 and My Hero Academia.
The only con of your build is that it cannot decode AV1 content (playback of AV1)
I love seeing opti's ❤
I built mine into a sleeper with 5800x3d and 6600 for the home office
Id love to see you throw in a am5 chip a big gpu and some ddr5 ram, hell you can even swap out the usb ports on the front to use non proprietary usb ports to work with new mobo and some have usb-c
I have a 4790 that i used for emulation, but turned into a nas now. Pretty powerful with my 1050ti i had in it.
I ve got 2 4850s in an old Dell 630i vista build. Runs hot but slaps damn good still. Can't play anything new but I'm fine with that
Taking out the HDD bay and stick a 120mm fan in front with double sided adhesive pad if you don’t want to drill more holes makes a good difference in temps highly recommend if your planning on building a sleeper with this case
use ReBarUEFI to get resizable bar on the Haswell motherboard, Arc A380 will perform like it should then
Used that on my z270-a-pro
Honestly that allows me now to use a arc GPUs with a 7700k lol
Cant wait to see a video on quest 3 emulation!
Optiplex Gang is on the rise again!
Nice budget PC ETA!!!
Hi ETA, great vid as usual! If you get time, would love to see a brand new build around $300 to $400 utilizing this card! Paired with a 12th gen i3 perhaps!
Hi Eta loved the video!! Do you think you’re going to cover the new chunwi lark box with the intel n100 cpu?
Picked one up a week ago from MicroCenter for 95 dollars. Ain't used it yet, but got a case Lian Li Mesh 2 white and all the parts to build a new PC will start off with the A380 testing it out it will just replace my 4 month old desktop I built but going to be giving to my Niece. Current is Ryzen 3600 system. Moving to a 5600, just for my desktop. My gaming rig is not yet ready to replace.
I'd love to see you running Linux on it. I'm voting once again for Slackware, but your distribution of choice would work too.
That is pretty awesome actually. I appreciate the oldschool psu mount with an integrated cpu stock fan graphics card. lol. O.G.
Budget PC, thank you.
A better budget option is building a new PC with a 12100F and a RTX 3050 (or a used 1660 Ti/ 1660 Super). Such a build can be upgraded with a 12400F or even a 12600KF (if higher power draw and temps are not an issue) and the GPU could in a few years be a used RTX 3060 Ti.
Thanks for uploading video was surprised in the CyberPunk at 60 fps and Star Field at 15-20 Range. Did you by chance try Locking FPS to 20/30/40/60 FPS with Riva Tuner to save CPU Cycles and Lower Frame-times to get Rid of the Lag Spikes and Choppiness. Would be cool to see a comparison vs RX 6600 and RTX 4060 too. See which GPU maker has better Older CPU support.
As always amazing video. But please can you make a PC build with a i3 12100f and this GPU? The ARC GPUs really need ReBar enabled, and I think that's the best budget brand new CPU for that GPU
Yo im impressed you managed to fit a decent PC in such a budget!
Im planning on building a $1000 dollar pc
what should I get? my primary purpose is flatscreen gaming and PCVR
what would you recomend?
A580 is now an option. Upping the resolution to 1440p would lower the cpu usage
Pairing a 12100F or a 12400F with a a580 would make a very interesting gaming rig. Not extremely Low budget but budget friendly.
4790 should not be pegged 100% in FH5 at 65fps. Maybe ARC driver overhead is pretty severe
For a budget gaming rig, ideally for 4th gen i7s you are not going much passed GTX 1070/1080 or RTX 3050/3060 territory. A used 1060 - 1070 or 1660 - 2060 are all great choices and should be able to run nearly full speed on this CPU. For AMD, maybe an RX580, RX 5700, or maybe a 6600 at most. If you have 6th-7th-8th or 9th generation... your options open up a bit more. 6th and 7th gen you could probably go more into the 1080-1080ti or 3060ti - 4060 space. 8th and 9th gen probably 4060 and 3070... maybe even 3080. You can push past what I am recommending as "loose" targets, but you often run into issues with the CPUs holding back those expensive GPUs. Also keep in mind there is NOTHING wrong with using lower end parts to start. If all you can afford is that GTX 1650 for $60 then rock that GPU in your old OEM prebuilt and enjoy some games.
no way you just said that an i7-4790 would even make it to a GTX 1070 is insane let alone a 3060. The i7-4790 bottleneck the hell out of the 1070 with a 15% peformance loss.
@@cantkilowatt interesting 🤔
I suspect you may be underestimating the 4790 OR overestimating the 1070.
I think it's possible that SOME specific games MAY feel the age of the 4790 particularly 1080p high refresh titles. A single game you might see -10-15% but I doubt you would see 15% performance deficit across the board when looking overall "gaming" performance across multiple diverse titles.
I suspect a 1060-1650-3050 class GPU would be "fine" for an older 4th gen part.
Also, if you are talking -15% performance as compared to a modern 13th Gen i3 or 7000 Ryzen 5... Then you are talking a completely different class of machine with a VERY different price tag than a $50-70 used Haswell office PC... I would also ask... If you are targeting modern CPU... Why would you use a 1070 except maybe as a placeholder?
@@greenprotag bottleneck calculators suggest that the i7 4790 is way to weak for the gtx 1070 by a 15% average. I didn't pull this out of my ass.
@@cantkilowatt "bottleneck calculators suggest"
I have used/built 4670, 4690, 4770, 4790, 1271v3, all the way up to the 18core 2699v3 and a BUNCH of miscellaneous other i3/i5/Xeon CPUs. Haswell is the generation I have the MOST experience with. Next most is coffeelake (8th & 9th gen). When I tell you "it's fine" you can trust that I have literally built it and benched it myself.
Here is where we agree: it would probably be better to simply use a lower end card on Haswel OR turn up the texture rate and shift the graphics load to the GPU. If you can afford to get modern 12th/13th gen OR Ryzen 7000 that is the play, but an office PC with a 4770 & drop in GTX1060/1070 or RX580 for $60-100 is perfectly fine as long as the power supply in the system can handle it.
6:52 That flipping dead so funny LOL
In the UK we cant get an Optiplex anywhere near the US prices, of course we can ship them from the US but even that is very expensive!
i wouldn't necessarily recommend running the 4790 with windows 11
windows 10 is definitely the way to go if you want to maximize usability and performance
maybe even run the ctt windows optimization script for extra points
@ETAprime love to see batocera with Xbox, PS3(?), WiiU, and Yuzu on this
thinking about doing a low energy consumption emulator build (PS2, wiiu, PS3), most bc they price of energy went through the roof in Australia.
This is true for many countries. I have a build in mind as I live in a warm climate like Australia. Pairing a 12400F with a RTX 4060 Ti 8GB (as the version with 16GB does not offer much due to the memory BUS bottleneck) would provide both very good performance AND low power consumption (take a look at the 20ms Power Spikes from TechPowerUp as it is important). To my knowledge Intel CPUs are best for emulation and so are Nvidia GPUs.
@ionamygdalon2263 yeah. Energy is ridiculous for loads of people.
Thanks for your suggestion. I am doing research, so all input is welcome
I had a Dell in my basement was gonna use for retro gaming, but sadly it got ruined by flooding
Awesome video! Doing something similar with a Dell precision 3630. 9th gen Intel i5 and it even takes normal power supplies! Payed 120 for it. Still trying to decide which gpu to go with though
Oh and it even supports m.2 ssd!
Don't go intel
not many prebuilts running ryzen in the 120 dollar budget area@@jesusbarrera6916
one gen older 3770 optiplexes use standard psu connectors.
Idk think this would be fine 8th gen/higher (have an old 9th around) with rebar, but idk. The vram could be more also. It's an okay card I suppose.
Hello. Question. Whats the best handheld of Anbermic or Retroid for emulation. Interested mostly on SNES, PS1 and if it can be probably Gamecube or PS2
Hell, i7 4790 still a beast
Define beast since it's not even keeping up with a $100 ultra budget GPU.
Rx 580 8gb would be a much better pairing for this hardware, especially since AMD drivers have much less overhead and thus ask for less from the CPU as opposed to the other GPUs. Or for a little more money, a 5600xt would still be able to be near fully utilized and provide a much better experience over the a380.
I am really surprised by the outcome of your video i was really expecting the performance to be God awful because you can't turn resizable bar on these older systems, but your video actually makes it look like a good option. I was hoping you would have mentioned something about the resizable bar issue with these arc gpus as that seems to be the difference of it working decent to great or really bad when compared to other youtubers videos.
Because every cycle counts on these older machines it may be worth trying lower end AMD/NVIDIA cards to see if lower driver overhead can improve performance. The Arc cards seem to struggle in titles like Starfield anyway. Might be a fun experiment. Either way good stuff and nice to see these old machines recycled back into service.
I'm a bit confused with Intel Arc gpu's and rebar. I was of the impression that not having a rebar compatible cpu/motherboard left you unable to use the full performance of Intel Arc gpu's. True or false? To be specific, I have a low profile case with an HP motherboard/i5 9500 and wanted to install a low profile a380. Haven't done so because 8th gen Intel/the HP motherboard don't seem to support rebar.
The ssd link just goes to the amazon homepage.
How is W11 installing on a cpu so old? Thought it was locked because some chip requirements??
Great build, but how did you get Windows 11 to run on a PC that has a 4th gen i7? Microsoft does have a list of Windows 11 supported CPUS, and that one isn’t one there. I know that you can do some hacking in the Windows registries, but I wouldn’t want to do that.
Could you test amd vs nvidia vs arc with low cpu performance, It seems nvidia drivers have a lot of overhead and is particularly noticeable with low end cpus
Would you consider to review the Chuwi CoreBook X 14 inch? Would be interesting how it will handle emulation of PS 3 and XBox 360 (or even PS 4 and XBox One).
ARC + old PC without resizable bar is a big no no.
The pointing at areas that didn't relate to what was being said was very distracting. I've noticed it in a few videos for quite a while and thought it was just a delay, but this was very out. It looked like you were pointing to the DVD drive when talking about the 2.5" SSD that's installed.
Windows installation cost just 4-10 dollars in India depending on Windows 10 or 11
I think should using pcie gen 4 minimal for maximal results
How much does having no rebar hold it back?
6:00 teting it out 😅
Does this support AV1 hardware decode/encoding?
I have a dell 3020 with a stock i5 4570 cpu. Curious if i still need to upgrade the stock psu if i am going to use those half height arc a380 without the external power inputs and game using it?
Hi ETA! I have an i7 6700, will this GPU work? And will the performance be better than the 4790?
@@garrusvakarian8709 The 4790 is a 4 core so the 6700 will also work.
Let's watch emulation on this gpu
Could you test this with the 100 ish 5500xt on newegg? I got a setup exactly like this I would love to see here if it's even worth it.
Is this with resizable bar?
A380 is excellent for Linux (Wayland) or media transcoding. I don't recommend it for gaming, even though it supports raytacing it is far too weak to bother. I'd go for an A580 or an A750 at the very least. Hopefully A580 settles below $150, it will be a good value. I wouldn't spend big bucks on Intel, I've had the Limited Edition A770, it's not competitive for gaming for more money.
Why did he change the power supply. Would it have problems if you just dropped in the gpu?
I think hyperthreading is turned off on that pc ,check the bios again if its turned on or off.
So it DOES work without Re-Bar. Might give it a try for my Core2Quad Optiplex, should be enough for Retrogaming and the card is cheaper than a freaking used RX550 here....
even without rebar the price to performance seems pretty solid, might end up getting a a310
If Ram use with DDR3, can run the game in 32GB
How do y’all think this gpu would go with a 7th gen cpu
Prety dicent the i7 4770? On those crapy o.e.m boards they dont iven use the 4770 in full potencial the clocks of the cpu are all over the place. So the k on the 4790 its kinda meh. But my 4770 with my rtx 2060 playing cyberpunk is not at 100% use all of the time same goes for starfield is that i7 ok?
I want pc to play around 4 games with 2 tb of memory just don't know what to get to finish building pc
is this build good for light esport like valorant, cs2, dota, LoL?
Love it when I’m early to ETA videos
Well, an i5 6500be good for that GPU?
Spend a bit more on an intel i3 10100 and a compatible motherboard and this card will perform much better with Resizable Bar enabled. The 10100 is less than $50 bucks now days and is still one hell of a chip for the value. if you are grabbing a flop-ty plex you might as well scratch the arc card off the list and get a RX 580 2048SP for like 60 bucks and just pray to the power gods that you dont have to upgrade the PSU as well. I dont think the 2048 SP pulls as much as a standard 580 from AMD. Also, if you plan to mimic his build get a precision t1700 with the xeon 1230 v3 or 1231, they are the same, if not a bit faster than the 4790 and much cheaper.
will this gpu fit into my optiplex 7040 16g ram i5 intel not got a clue with all this sort of stuff thx
EMULATION TESTS!!!
it is interesting how saturated ebay is with 4th gen Intels right now. Is it just timing?
late asf but 2 questions:
1.) Is resizable bar required (will it function) ? If I don't use it, will I still get the same performance a in the video?
2.) Wil the LP version of the A380 still perform the same?
If anyone can answer, it would help a lot
I'm getting error code 182 on ROG ALLY what that's about
This CPU supports neither Windows 11 nor Resizable BAR. How is this possible?
Hey man your pc can do much better fps and gaming! I have i7 4790 16gb 2x8 dualchannl and rtx 2080 and its way better! The problem in your pc is the ram! Yoy are not using dualchannel! Thats why the cpu is 100%! Put only ram that mach to each other! And you will see the diffrence. Moreover turn off the Vsync in any game you play. Vsync lockes the fps to 60. Hope it helps! Change the ram and turn off Vsync and you will have a great gaming pc. :)
My HTPC is a 4790 with a rtx 2060 and it runs Starfield WAY better than this did. Kinda Strange
The ARC line still has driver issues with Starfield. Although to be totally correct, your 2060 RTX is problematic as well. The game really wants AMD gpus. I have a 4070 RTX and performance in Starfield is disappointing.
Intel's ARC cards rely heavily on Resizable BAR (Base Address Registers) to run efficiently. It's a PCIe tech that allows the CPU to access the entirety of the GPU's VRAM instead of in chunks allowing operations to be run simultaneously instead of in series. Also as a lower spec card it may be x8 electrically to cut cost. With PCIe 4 this doesn't matter as the chip is the limiting factor-- not so with a PCIe Gen3 system.
Will this card work if I pair it up with an i3-8100(3.60ghz) and 16gb DDR4 16 2666mhz ram??
Are you buy it ?
Linux emulation build?
I have a test build with the 4790 and a GTX 1660 super it runs waaaay better than this, it aint the cpu
Im not sure why the i7 4790 couldn't get better FPS, i have the exact same PC with 24GB DDR3 ram and a 1650 palit and it gives me much better results sply in racing and fighting games. For FH5, i get 90+ fps and average 60 in other AAA games (SOTR, RDR2)
Maybe the Arc isnt suiting the H81 platform as yet
Arc GPUs all but require resizable bar, and this Haswell CPU doesn’t support it.
ReBarUEFI works but I wouldn't spend any money on a cpu below 8700K for gaming. HWBot benchmarking is another story because XOC is my hobby@@CantankerousDave
RebarUEFI honestly is a game changer. Would recommend modding your bios to enable it.
For some reason i thought this was going to be the Arc A580. Well, doesn't matter. I only care about low profile anywayy lol
Hi I wanted to ask you how you managed to install Arc Control with a Fourth Generation Processor
I can't install it with an I5 6600
A thousand thanks
Did you discovered how to install the a380?
Very affordable if you want to build something and donate it in developing countries! I'm always sure some young students can benefit from cheap 3D rendering tools for their study. Or even better AI training with these cheap graphics cards
At least purchase one of those newer dell optiplex's with an I7 8700 or 10th gen. I ditched haswell over just horrible performance in modern gaming. It barely holds up to basic tasks anymore and its just time to let it go. Also take advantage of cheaper DDR4 ram now that DDR5 is the main thing.
that gpu is bottlnecked and still getting decent performance for the cost. the other part is the gtx1650 will probably lose support soon as Nvidia is moving over to an all RTX lineup. the Arc series gpus will be supported for the next few years 100%, that is what makes them worth buying right now.
Would this work with Batocera?
Yes of course, it's an x86 system. 👍
I was using the i7-4790 with a RX 5700xt and getting much better FPS then 16FPS playing Starfield, I would say 30-45fps, so I don't understand what's happen with that CPU but it's not bottleneck..... ReBar?????
7th gen is my cut off even 10th gen is cheap used right now the upgrades are not worth it and you can't resell a 4th gen
I love how the section says: "Teting is out" 😂.
I have a 4790…. I’m not selling it anymore ❤
“Teting it out”
Apparently you didn’t test out your video chapters for typos!
7th gen intel i5/i7 is the minimum CPU I would use today. Anything below that are you are just not going to have enough CPU for really much of anything from 2022-2023.
Yeah my 7700k still going strong. It's a hot MF though haha make sure you got good cooking