I'd like to see it be built with new budget parts. Maybe with something like the latest Core i3 CPUs. I bet it would do wonders in something like that.
Not sure if you covered it or glossed over, but these Intel Arc cards, especially the A380 have AV1 encoding. If I had a tiny editing box, or used handbrake a lot, this card would be my #1 pick. The benchmarks out there are crazy good for a 100$ video card.
Would be nice that it doesn't need the 8-pin but have had some bad luck with cards that pull a full 75 watts from the mainboard. Intel also is probably using one board design for several cards cheaper to just leave the plug.
Ditto.. I have gtx1650 and has been looking for upgrade for my cheap system with weak power supply (so PCIe power only). Would like to see how A380 compares.
I take huge issue with how companies are using things like FSR and DLSS as an excuse to just not target a reasonable performance level or optimize their games PROPERLY... but that said, I feel this is where these technologies may shine. Making a $50-99 GPU perform "eh, okayish" or acceptably with higher end games. Enough to at least keep things playable. Likewise, older hardware having more longevity.
Be sure to pair this on budget systems that support ReBar. Performance tanks without it. 10th+ gen intel or 5000/7000 Ryzen. Check your motherboard if it supports rebar.
I think it would be great to build something on a budget but using only new parts... I would love to see what kind of build we can have and how low can we go without compromising performance...great video.
Keep in mind, that without resizable bar support, the performance will be pretty bad. So these are a terrible option of older OEM systems, or even newer systems if they can't enable resizable bar.
@@jinxterx It's a setting in the system BIOS that allows the GPU to negotiate the Base Address Register (BAR) size to optimize resources. It can result in a performance improvement, but for Intel GPU's it's a must to have it enabled. If it's disabled, there will be a VERY noticeable performance decrease, to the point that they're not recommended for older systems, or any system that can't enable that feature.
@@InfernosReaper I do a lot with older systems, and it's a real shame. Intel had the chance to really scoop up market share with the budget gamer crowd, but no dice.
good card, im a streamer and wanted a second computer to handle the stream. was planning on waiting till hardware got better to upgrade my gaming pc and use the old one as a stream pc. but for the prices nowadays, its not worth it. instead got this, a used office pc which came with its own monitor, mouse and keyboard, and got a 250gb ssd to put a inactivated windows 10 on. a full pc that easily handles what i throw at it and some light video editing so my main PC can still be used, all for less then $300
Definitely do an A380 budget build! I love budget builds, they're so much more interesting than top tier builds which all end up performing almost identical because there are so few options at the top of the pyramid. It'll be an RTX 4090 or 4080, or a 7900 XTX, and then a top tier CPU, usually a 7800/7950X3D or 13900Kx, and some fast RAM and SSD. Wow, so exciting. With budget builds the options and routes are so much more plentiful, and the end result can very greatly in performance based on how good one is at picking the right parts, instead of just picking the fastest parts that money can currently buy.
Also, if you're going to do a round-2 test on this card, I'd suggest you run it with the latest drivers (the ones in this video), but on a system with PCIE 3.0, and no resizable bar. A lot of people who are looking for a Low Profile GPU are people who - like me - has bought an old office PC. I have a fairly new one (HP Prodesk 600 G5), and even though it has a 9th gen Intel, it has neither PCIE-4 nor resizable-bar capability. As far as I've read, a lot of the impressive gains that the A380 gpu has achieved seem to come from the combination of PCIE-4 and resizable Bar. This gives the card a bit of a skewed perception in terms of what can be achieved, for people looking for an LP card for their older, office-pc:s, when compared to something like an RX 6400 or the older 1650 models. Both these cards seem to have hit their full potential, whereas the a380/intel cards in general (?) appear to get dramatically better on an update-by-update basis. But if this is wholly contingent on having PCIE-4 and resizable-bar capability (two features I suspect isn't super-common knowledge), then that might give some customers a faulty sense of what to expect, if the setup they're shopping for has neither of these things (and they might not even be aware of that fact). So a compare and contrast-trial of A380, with the latest drivers, in a PCIE-4 + Resizable Bar system, compared to latest drivers in a PCIE-3, no resizable bar setup would probably be the most interesting for people shopping around. It could help establish a more well-rounded idea of what to expect.
This is exactly the info im looking for. A card on an overkill system tells me nothing if ur not going to change the pcie or turn off resizable bar. Boring....
@@B4Astudios There's a surprising dearth of information about this. The only "pcie 3.0, resizable bart turned off" tests I've seen come from the more expensive intel gpu cards, that ostensibly get bought by people who have very robust and up-to-date system. The a-b-comparison will probably come at some point, but I don't get the feeling that this particular channel does a lot of circling-back/follow-ups to videos they post, so hopefully some smaller channel will go through the trouble.
The A380 is perfect for so many budget rig setups and a really nice middleground for a living room self build console running SteamOS. Honestly for $100 you cannot go wrong here, you must keep in mind it's got 6GB of VRAM which puts it higher than the majority of budget GPUs which all have around 4GB, like the 6500XT or GTX 1630 for example.
It makes ZERO sense to go with anything before a 6'th gen i5 MINIMUM they are $20 and mobos are anywhere from 15 (if you dont mind using oems) to 40$ for a cheaper board that still has M.2 Support. Makes MUCH more sense to do a budget build with an optiplex 7040 motherboard and have to press f1 for whatever every time you boot up (or just jump some pins and get around that) than to go with a 3'rd gen i-anything. For a budget build 6'th gen upgrade path is good too considering a 6'th gen i7 has the same fps as an 10'th gen i3) . If you don't mind using a (if your going to do this at-least try and make sure it's a dual sata) sata to 6/8 pin or using something like the GTX 1650 or the RTX A2000 that doesn't require external power you could save even more money and get an optiplex PSU for like $15. 500GB NVME's are $25 right now on ebay. Actually even a $40 case on newegg that comes with a $400 watt psu so yeah there ya go if you don't want to use the dell psu. $115 before your gpu. To keep this a SUPER budget build throw a used 5700XT in there for $100 (considering a 1650 costs about the same it would be stupid to go with something that shitty unless you need too) for $215 or while still keeping it a SUPER budget build but a slightly more expensive one, go with a used 1080ti.@@redjohn138
@@hzsid8733 fun note - GTX 1650 GDDR5 is better than GTX 1650 GDDR6 XD GDDR6 version have only 128b bus, while GDDR5 one has 192b bus :| that is 128GB/s vs 192GB/s
@@Karti200Are you sure? Because I checked the listing on Wikipedia, and all 1650 variants are on 128 bit bus (be it GDDR5 or GDDR6). It's the 1660 which is listed to have 192 bit bus.
The low-profile A380 doesn't require an 8-pin connection as it only draws 45 watts. I have the AsRock version and installed it in an old Lenovo E34 SFF and it works quite well.
I'm not so sure this card is good for an older OptiPlex due to its need for Resizeable BAR. Would definitely be interesting to see how it actually performs, though!
Bingo. People watching this video are going to think that their old Optiplex 3060 with an i5-8500 that has no resizable bar support is going to give the same frame rates for $100. I love this channel, but this is the most misleading video he’s ever made. He makes no mention of “I am using the highest performance CPU I possibly can, and you will never achieve these frame rates with your old eBay Optiplex.”
For an older Optiplex the best options with no PSU upgrade are GTX 1650 G6 and RX 6400, both available used for ~$100. With a $50 500W PSU upgrade +$10 MoBo power adapter, a used ~$110 RX 5600 is the next bump in performance and sets you up for a better GPU *but* then you'll be running out of CPU power unless you have a Core i5-8400 or better.
@@bleeb1347 That's a hell of a thrust in ETA's direction, considering he mentioned 3x the word "overkill," and fully explained the test rig and why he's using it. Edit: and ended the video saying "Like I mentioned before, this test rig is a bit overkill, let me know if you guys' wanna see a BUDGET build for the A380."
I thought you had to enable resizeable bar in order for ARC cards to work properly. If so, an older optiplex wouldn’t work since they don’t have that feature. Also would be nice to see other fighting games like Guilty Gear Strive or Granblue Fanyasy Versus. Don’t get me wrong, I love SF6 but a change every once in a while wouldn’t hurt. I love your videos, especially small form factor budget builds. Thank you for all of your hard work.
Yeah. It's a little too soon. I wouldn't consider the 7080 series old for at least 2 more years. I would expect the hit from lack of rebar to scale though. This card will probably take a smaller hit to performance compared to the more powerful cards.
Resizable BAR was introduced with the Intel 9th generation CPUs. ARC cards will work without resizable BAR, but take a 25-30% performance penalty compared to having it enabled.
You could mail him a turd and he'd find some way to give it a good review. The fact that he doesn't know about the ReBAR requirement says he shouldn't be "reviewing" GPUs.
@@colindunn9964The cards suffer from frame timing issues without it enabled, it'd be a miserable experience for anyone but the most oblivious gamers. There's also the fact that most OEM UEFI won't even surface an advanced option like enabling ReBAR and Above 4G.
Would love to see the performance of the low profile with a budget Optiplex build! But just like ETA I have not been able to get my hands on one of those either to add it to my boys Dell Optiplex 😢
I love the a380 I have it paired with an i5-12400f 16gigs of ram on a ASRock z690 motherboard it's a great little guest gaming system and I spent less than 400 on her
@@maverickvgc4220it's possible those are extra parts left over after an upgrade. Given it's being used as a guest gaming PC, I'd say that's even likely. Regardless, if it was $400 total for the build it doesn't matter, that's still not bad for a entry-level gaming PC.
Do not buy this card and put it in any PC that doesn’t have resizable bar support. You will lose another 40% performance without resizable bar. This means if you are running a Dell Optiplex, HP, Acer or any other OEM PC….this card will be absolute junk and you won’t get this kind of performance shown in the video.
that's actually amazing for what it is.... playing 1080P Medium on most games look great. I would love to see some more on this gpu. I am very excited for intel in the gpu space. they have a long way ahead but they've accomplished so much in so short a time (in the dedicated GPU space)
I bought an a380for $130 about the time of its release. I put it into my windows based Plex server. I sometimes play games on it and I’m always surprised how good it is sometimes… except that month that halo infinite wouldn’t play. It was fixed by a driver update. Still annoying for that month.
You can find the low-profile card in Switzerland where I am actually live, but the price is very high, more than 140 $, normally the gpu and electronic price in Switzerland are not high. Have a nice day.
old stuff like Optiplexes and ThinkCenters would greatly nerf the card's potential, due to the lack of resizable bar and pcie4 x16. A budget build with a modern i3 or ryzen has more sense
I hear you on that low profile A380. 10 years ago people were juuuust barely getting into boutique ITX cases and builds. I feel like the market is rife for a 75w low profile affordable champion.
I'm looking for the AsRock ARC a380 low profile version too. Specifically in the Japan region. This is the perfect gpu I'm looking for because the rtx a2000 is too pricey for me and rx6400, gtx 1650 they don't meet my requirements properly. But sadly there's no listing for the LP a380 anywhere :')
For being meant to do battle in the GT1030, and RX6400 class, it doesn't do too bad. The major problem is the ReBAR requirement. Chances are, if your PC is new enough to support ReBAR, it's too good to need an A380. A380 is also really hard to buy, whereas its competition is readily available at any electronics retailer. For the use case of slamming a bottom spec GPU into an e-waste Dell Optiplex, RX6400 is hard to beat.
These cards require ReBAR to be enabled to be usable in games, so a SFF card would be a no-go in an older SFF PC, and I'd be shocked if you didn't already know that.
When it comes to overclocking the ARC cards, the "GPU Performance Boost" slider is not in MHz! If i give my a770 a +15 on the slider, it gains 47MHz, so try smaller steps =)
You know I haven't seen too many HP workstations used in budget builds. It would be cool to see one of those. I have a HP z230 but I know the 240's and up came with a bigger PSU.
Since you have that 7700X PC can you make a video where you compare it to one of GPD's handheld using the same GPU (using oculink for the handheld)? It's crazy that nobody made a video comparing the 7840U devices to a 7700X build now that they can actually work as a desktop replacement.
Good to see the sponsor. Noone should ever pay Microsoft for a WIndows license. The best option is to take key details off the side of an old Windows XP Pro machine, but 15-20$ isn't too bad either.
For those interested in the performance from a Ryzen 5600G with this GPU, I got 76 FPS in Tomb Raider with resizeable bar on and 40 FPS with it off. Definitely want to have a system with it on. This was also only PCI 3.0 so that is acceptable. I was on the Med preset at 1080p, motion blur off, and pure hair on low. I don't have any of the other games he tested. Reran with XeSS turned off and got 62 FPS.
For another comparison, on my 5600X with RX 6600 XT system, I got 164 FPS with the same settings except XeSS was off and PCI 4.0. Obviousely better results but at least the A380 can definitly play some games. I got it mostly for the AV1 encoding to compress video files.
Probably a lot of folks looking to put this into an older OEM PC won't be aware of the need for ReBAR support for good performance, and they probably won't know how or just won't want to mod their UEFI/BIOS to enable it on their OEM PC
Problem with this card is that it causes flickering on RUclips. It’s only merit is to use as video encoder, with a a ryzen 7 5600 G, using the built in graphics for actual monitor viewing
New budget build.... I think it was paired with a i5 or R5 chip and 16GB of RAM with a one terabyte nvme ssd, you would probably have a decent computer. The i3 or R3 would probably be a better bet for "budget" though. I would like to see it ran under both windows and Linux.... Thank you for making your videos; Monte
I like the Idea & the Price. Might be worth it after they mature their Drivers some more, Compatibility Issues are among the worst Headaches for a Guy like me who Plays Games spanning over 30 Years. I still play the Old stuff a lot & some new games as well, so for me I fear I would have a lot of Headaches.
@@InfernosReaper yeah that would be another issue because most PCs that would be a good fit for something this Price have no Resizable Bar option in the Bios
I really hope we get those other form factoers soon. The half height A380 is supposed to be out already, and Intel partner with Matrox to make new SFF cards too. They have a two single slot A310 variant they're making too, but I can't imagine they'll be very good 😕hopefully they'll be like Matrox's last consumer card, which was the same die as the RX 460(?) but performed better in every way
I'd like to see you try the Optiplex 9020 with the i7 4790 + A380 run Starfield 🤯 (Drivers have been released so ARC GPUs can run Starfield now, looks like they'll do another update in the future also for more stability and better performance). Also Gigabyte have released a RTX 4060 8gb OC low profile card, Amazon UK has it listed for £326 needs a min. 300 Watt PSU (Techpowerup but says 450 watt PSU on Gigas website) but would be pretty awesome to see it in a SFF build or in Dell OptiPlex 9020 MT which has a 290W PSU you'll need Sata to 8 Pin cable.
Bad idea. Arc GPUs a drastically hampered without resizable bar which wasn't available before intel 12th gen, I believe. Therefore the only use case for this is for a computer with a 12100f or 13100f. Excellent super budget option, don't get me wrong but for older hardware that need small, pinless GPU upgrade solutions, the best option new is still the rx 6400.
No contest, the RX580 would absolutely spank the A380. An RX470 would still beat out this card. The A380 is a deal because of it's power management for older PCs where you might be able to skip a PSU upgrade and save some money.
@8:27 Lol spiderman showing 7.7 gb of vram usage on a 6 gb card. Intel REALLY needs to fix the vram leak problem with their drivers. This affects a lot of other games as well like deathloop which are completely broken on the a380 due to this issue.
the 12500t ebay is 150 bucks an asrock B660M PRO RS LGA 1700 Intel B660 SATA 6Gb/s DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard is 100 bucks and ram less than 50 bucks for 32gb that is like the best pound per pound as far as prices
I'd suggest 2 builds. Optiplex bottom end, so something like an i3 or i5 3rd gen. (any lower and you're really asking for it) Ideally, people will upgrade a 3rd gen to an i7 as they're still useful and pretty cheap but I get not everyone wants to faff with that. To me, this feels like the bare minimum for a sensible but cheap and easily available Optiplex build. Covers what is realistically the worst you can expect from this card. And a modern "How cheap can you stick a PC from brand new parts" so maybe a Ryzen 5 or an intel 12th gen i5 or a 13th gen i3. Whatever you can get for around 100-150. I've not kept up with modern intels so the idea of going for an i3 makes my skin crawl but I've heard good things about the latest ones so I should give them a look. Awesome to see intel cards getting in there though. I think there's a lot of promise for them and with Nvidia going the way it's going, someone to keep the pressure on AMD is greatly needed.
I'd love to see something pretty mild. I have a I5 (7gen?), 1050TI, and i can stream and play some great games at 1080 & 1440. I'd like to see something similar to that or more focused on media center with gaming capable as second. I'd stick to your normal game list but maybe some different ones than shown here today. I would also like to see a thin case, something like the media center style.
Would you consider putting together a new build but using a 1080 or 2080 GPU? I would love to see what these older GPUs can achieve with the max compatible CPU and RAM. Getting some performance statistics with recent releases would be awesome.
It would be nice to see that done with a small form-factor using the AMD AM4 platform since the price is falling on those parts it would make for a low budget build also.
im still running a GTX 760 from 2011 on my i9-9900k, havnt upgraded cause I havnt found a small enough and cheap enough card to buy, im on the lookout for the low profile version!
if you could get the LP for $100 US this would be great for refurb i5/6500 business machines that you can pick up cheap, but I have not found a listing for the LP either
No way. If you don’t have a system with resizable bar support you lose 40% performance right off the bat with Intel GPUs. This card sucks in Dell machines because they don’t have resizable bar support. He fails to mention this and it makes the video very misleading. He paired the card with a Ryzen 7700 cpu FFS. Do not buy this card and try to put it in an OEM machine like Dell Optiplex or HP, or Acer, or anything like that. You’ll be very disappointed when you’re gaming at 720p low.
@@AntiGrieferGames without resizable bar, Intel Arc A380 is worse than a GTX 750. You are wrong. Do not buy an Arc GPU if you have a CPU older than an Intel 10th gen or older than a Ryzen 3000 series
this would be good for a mini retro pc/ htpc at least for dx9 games if they work that is like need for speed ungerground with wide screen fix and same with underground 2 and mostwanted paired with maybe a 6 core intel or ryzen cpu
I am not sure on the AMD stuff but the Intel has to have the ability to turn on resizable bar. I think that is around Intel 10 gen up not sure maybe 9 up. I mostly use AMD so I know the 5000 and 7000 boards have resizable bar. I just put together a Intel Z690 12gen I7K system and think of putting a either a Arc A770 16gb or a RTX 4060 8bb card in it. I just do not want to go over that $300 for a new card. I just cringe thinking about putting in a 8gb card in a new build.
I'd like to see it be built with new budget parts. Maybe with something like the latest Core i3 CPUs. I bet it would do wonders in something like that.
Yeah that would awesome I kind of want to do that.
A very tight budget build will really be nice.
The latest i3 are not that cheap
Latest i3 chips are pretty good for gaming I used to own the 10100 and it was great
@@ukm6yik69the 12th and 13th gen i3’s are amazing for gaming and for the price
Not sure if you covered it or glossed over, but these Intel Arc cards, especially the A380 have AV1 encoding. If I had a tiny editing box, or used handbrake a lot, this card would be my #1 pick. The benchmarks out there are crazy good for a 100$ video card.
I don't like that it uses an 8-pin PCIe power connector. You would think that at 75 watts(or less), this gpu could just run off of PCIe bus power.
Would be nice that it doesn't need the 8-pin but have had some bad luck with cards that pull a full 75 watts from the mainboard. Intel also is probably using one board design for several cards cheaper to just leave the plug.
Yeah I'd rather get a 1630 over this😂
Or even used 1650
The Gunnir A380 INDEX runs on slot power alone but it seems pretty rare.
Yeah, cuts out an option for brand computers like Dell with proprietary psu connectors😊
Ditto.. I have gtx1650 and has been looking for upgrade for my cheap system with weak power supply (so PCIe power only). Would like to see how A380 compares.
I take huge issue with how companies are using things like FSR and DLSS as an excuse to just not target a reasonable performance level or optimize their games PROPERLY... but that said, I feel this is where these technologies may shine. Making a $50-99 GPU perform "eh, okayish" or acceptably with higher end games. Enough to at least keep things playable. Likewise, older hardware having more longevity.
@@WhiteG60 It feels like nvidia plans to make their cards only run with dlss on.
Be sure to pair this on budget systems that support ReBar. Performance tanks without it. 10th+ gen intel or 5000/7000 Ryzen. Check your motherboard if it supports rebar.
I think it would be great to build something on a budget but using only new parts... I would love to see what kind of build we can have and how low can we go without compromising performance...great video.
Keep in mind, that without resizable bar support, the performance will be pretty bad. So these are a terrible option of older OEM systems, or even newer systems if they can't enable resizable bar.
Yeah, sadly. Otherwise, I'd have gotten one for my older ryzen build instead of being stuck with the 1050ti I already had.
What's a re sizeable bar?
@@jinxterx It's a setting in the system BIOS that allows the GPU to negotiate the Base Address Register (BAR) size to optimize resources. It can result in a performance improvement, but for Intel GPU's it's a must to have it enabled. If it's disabled, there will be a VERY noticeable performance decrease, to the point that they're not recommended for older systems, or any system that can't enable that feature.
@@InfernosReaper I do a lot with older systems, and it's a real shame. Intel had the chance to really scoop up market share with the budget gamer crowd, but no dice.
@@TheGameBench Thanks for the explanation :D
good card, im a streamer and wanted a second computer to handle the stream. was planning on waiting till hardware got better to upgrade my gaming pc and use the old one as a stream pc. but for the prices nowadays, its not worth it. instead got this, a used office pc which came with its own monitor, mouse and keyboard, and got a 250gb ssd to put a inactivated windows 10 on. a full pc that easily handles what i throw at it and some light video editing so my main PC can still be used, all for less then $300
Definitely do an A380 budget build! I love budget builds, they're so much more interesting than top tier builds which all end up performing almost identical because there are so few options at the top of the pyramid. It'll be an RTX 4090 or 4080, or a 7900 XTX, and then a top tier CPU, usually a 7800/7950X3D or 13900Kx, and some fast RAM and SSD. Wow, so exciting.
With budget builds the options and routes are so much more plentiful, and the end result can very greatly in performance based on how good one is at picking the right parts, instead of just picking the fastest parts that money can currently buy.
Also, if you're going to do a round-2 test on this card, I'd suggest you run it with the latest drivers (the ones in this video), but on a system with PCIE 3.0, and no resizable bar. A lot of people who are looking for a Low Profile GPU are people who - like me - has bought an old office PC. I have a fairly new one (HP Prodesk 600 G5), and even though it has a 9th gen Intel, it has neither PCIE-4 nor resizable-bar capability.
As far as I've read, a lot of the impressive gains that the A380 gpu has achieved seem to come from the combination of PCIE-4 and resizable Bar. This gives the card a bit of a skewed perception in terms of what can be achieved, for people looking for an LP card for their older, office-pc:s, when compared to something like an RX 6400 or the older 1650 models. Both these cards seem to have hit their full potential, whereas the a380/intel cards in general (?) appear to get dramatically better on an update-by-update basis.
But if this is wholly contingent on having PCIE-4 and resizable-bar capability (two features I suspect isn't super-common knowledge), then that might give some customers a faulty sense of what to expect, if the setup they're shopping for has neither of these things (and they might not even be aware of that fact).
So a compare and contrast-trial of A380, with the latest drivers, in a PCIE-4 + Resizable Bar system, compared to latest drivers in a PCIE-3, no resizable bar setup would probably be the most interesting for people shopping around. It could help establish a more well-rounded idea of what to expect.
This is exactly the info im looking for. A card on an overkill system tells me nothing if ur not going to change the pcie or turn off resizable bar. Boring....
@@B4Astudios There's a surprising dearth of information about this. The only "pcie 3.0, resizable bart turned off" tests I've seen come from the more expensive intel gpu cards, that ostensibly get bought by people who have very robust and up-to-date system.
The a-b-comparison will probably come at some point, but I don't get the feeling that this particular channel does a lot of circling-back/follow-ups to videos they post, so hopefully some smaller channel will go through the trouble.
The A380 is perfect for so many budget rig setups and a really nice middleground for a living room self build console running SteamOS.
Honestly for $100 you cannot go wrong here, you must keep in mind it's got 6GB of VRAM which puts it higher than the majority of budget GPUs which all have around 4GB, like the 6500XT or GTX 1630 for example.
1630 isn't a graphics card its a video card LOL
With Cyberpunk i was shocked how it run great. For a 100$ card that is amazing
I hope these Intel cards get good and become popular. Nice to have something else to choose from besides NVIDIA and RADEON.
Yes build a budget pc with this card... a 3rd gen i5 maybe
It makes ZERO sense to go with anything before a 6'th gen i5 MINIMUM they are $20 and mobos are anywhere from 15 (if you dont mind using oems) to 40$ for a cheaper board that still has M.2 Support. Makes MUCH more sense to do a budget build with an optiplex 7040 motherboard and have to press f1 for whatever every time you boot up (or just jump some pins and get around that) than to go with a 3'rd gen i-anything. For a budget build 6'th gen upgrade path is good too considering a 6'th gen i7 has the same fps as an 10'th gen i3) . If you don't mind using a (if your going to do this at-least try and make sure it's a dual sata) sata to 6/8 pin or using something like the GTX 1650 or the RTX A2000 that doesn't require external power you could save even more money and get an optiplex PSU for like $15. 500GB NVME's are $25 right now on ebay. Actually even a $40 case on newegg that comes with a $400 watt psu so yeah there ya go if you don't want to use the dell psu. $115 before your gpu. To keep this a SUPER budget build throw a used 5700XT in there for $100 (considering a 1650 costs about the same it would be stupid to go with something that shitty unless you need too) for $215 or while still keeping it a SUPER budget build but a slightly more expensive one, go with a used 1080ti.@@redjohn138
Always looking for ways to game for a good price. So a budget build with this card would be great to see!
tldr
A380 is an - technically - GTX 1650 / RX 6400 BUT with XeSS, not missing encoders / decoders (khem AMD...) and 2GB more of vram
faster ram. most 1650's have gddr5 while A380 uses gdddr6
to bad its still need power connectors for this card =_=a
@@zagyu there ARE a380 that does not require power connectors
@@hzsid8733 fun note - GTX 1650 GDDR5 is better than GTX 1650 GDDR6 XD
GDDR6 version have only 128b bus, while GDDR5 one has 192b bus :|
that is 128GB/s vs 192GB/s
@@Karti200Are you sure?
Because I checked the listing on Wikipedia, and all 1650 variants are on 128 bit bus (be it GDDR5 or GDDR6).
It's the 1660 which is listed to have 192 bit bus.
This paired with a 12100F or a Ryzen 5 5500 would be an interesting Budget emulation PC
If it wasn't for the Resizeable Bar requirement, I'd love to get the low profile A380 for my i7-3770 SFF ThinkCentre.
A sff Optiplex and comparison to a rx6400 would be sweet. You would need to leave the side off though. The 8 pin would also be a problem
The low-profile A380 doesn't require an 8-pin connection as it only draws 45 watts. I have the AsRock version and installed it in an old Lenovo E34 SFF and it works quite well.
I'm not so sure this card is good for an older OptiPlex due to its need for Resizeable BAR. Would definitely be interesting to see how it actually performs, though!
Bingo. People watching this video are going to think that their old Optiplex 3060 with an i5-8500 that has no resizable bar support is going to give the same frame rates for $100. I love this channel, but this is the most misleading video he’s ever made. He makes no mention of “I am using the highest performance CPU I possibly can, and you will never achieve these frame rates with your old eBay Optiplex.”
@@bleeb1347the test rig clearly indicates Ryzen 7000 series CPU with 6400mhz DDR ram, he also mentions the system is overkill for the GPU
I mean come on no shit @@bleeb1347
For an older Optiplex the best options with no PSU upgrade are GTX 1650 G6 and RX 6400, both available used for ~$100. With a $50 500W PSU upgrade +$10 MoBo power adapter, a used ~$110 RX 5600 is the next bump in performance and sets you up for a better GPU *but* then you'll be running out of CPU power unless you have a Core i5-8400 or better.
@@bleeb1347 That's a hell of a thrust in ETA's direction, considering he mentioned 3x the word "overkill," and fully explained the test rig and why he's using it.
Edit: and ended the video saying "Like I mentioned before, this test rig is a bit overkill, let me know if you guys' wanna see a BUDGET build for the A380."
I thought you had to enable resizeable bar in order for ARC cards to work properly. If so, an older optiplex wouldn’t work since they don’t have that feature. Also would be nice to see other fighting games like Guilty Gear Strive or Granblue Fanyasy Versus. Don’t get me wrong, I love SF6 but a change every once in a while wouldn’t hurt. I love your videos, especially small form factor budget builds. Thank you for all of your hard work.
Yeah. It's a little too soon. I wouldn't consider the 7080 series old for at least 2 more years. I would expect the hit from lack of rebar to scale though. This card will probably take a smaller hit to performance compared to the more powerful cards.
Resizable BAR was introduced with the Intel 9th generation CPUs. ARC cards will work without resizable BAR, but take a 25-30% performance penalty compared to having it enabled.
You could mail him a turd and he'd find some way to give it a good review. The fact that he doesn't know about the ReBAR requirement says he shouldn't be "reviewing" GPUs.
@@colindunn9964The cards suffer from frame timing issues without it enabled, it'd be a miserable experience for anyone but the most oblivious gamers. There's also the fact that most OEM UEFI won't even surface an advanced option like enabling ReBAR and Above 4G.
about 10% more or less. The 25% dont show up unless its older games like dx11 - 9
In Germany I see the low profile card listed for several sellers for a bit over 150€. You should be able to buy one soon in the US.
Would love to see the performance of the low profile with a budget Optiplex build! But just like ETA I have not been able to get my hands on one of those either to add it to my boys Dell Optiplex 😢
I love the a380 I have it paired with an i5-12400f 16gigs of ram on a ASRock z690 motherboard it's a great little guest gaming system and I spent less than 400 on her
I don't know if i'm more annoied by the expensive z690 MoBo with a 12400f or how massively underperforming the GPU is compared to the CPU.
@@maverickvgc4220it's possible those are extra parts left over after an upgrade. Given it's being used as a guest gaming PC, I'd say that's even likely. Regardless, if it was $400 total for the build it doesn't matter, that's still not bad for a entry-level gaming PC.
Please don't let the price shoot up after this video, I was waiting for Black Friday to buy it.
Do not buy this card and put it in any PC that doesn’t have resizable bar support. You will lose another 40% performance without resizable bar. This means if you are running a Dell Optiplex, HP, Acer or any other OEM PC….this card will be absolute junk and you won’t get this kind of performance shown in the video.
@@bleeb1347 I have a ryzen 5 4500 with a Gigabyte A520M S2H motherboard. I searched but couldn't find if it has rebar
What about Linux performance with an Intel Arc gpu? Is AMD still the leader compared to this by a mile, or is Intel catching up?
that's actually amazing for what it is.... playing 1080P Medium on most games look great. I would love to see some more on this gpu. I am very excited for intel in the gpu space. they have a long way ahead but they've accomplished so much in so short a time (in the dedicated GPU space)
I bought an a380for $130 about the time of its release. I put it into my windows based Plex server. I sometimes play games on it and I’m always surprised how good it is sometimes… except that month that halo infinite wouldn’t play. It was fixed by a driver update. Still annoying for that month.
Welcome to beta testing, haha.
You can find the low-profile card in Switzerland where I am actually live, but the price is very high, more than 140 $, normally the gpu and electronic price in Switzerland are not high. Have a nice day.
You're a lifesaver. I was gonna dig for buried treasure just to get an RX6600XT, but then I saw your vid. Thanks.
old stuff like Optiplexes and ThinkCenters would greatly nerf the card's potential, due to the lack of resizable bar and pcie4 x16. A budget build with a modern i3 or ryzen has more sense
Would be nice to see a video with this card inside one of the older dell business optiplexes.
I hear you on that low profile A380. 10 years ago people were juuuust barely getting into boutique ITX cases and builds. I feel like the market is rife for a 75w low profile affordable champion.
What are the emulator benchmarks like?
Def curious as well.... interested in the low profile version
I think emulators are generally more CPU dependent than GPU
Totally curious myself.
Probably better to check a channel that specialises in emulator benchmarks
It will works on this gpu, he didn't put emulation benchmark on purpose
I'm looking for the AsRock ARC a380 low profile version too. Specifically in the Japan region. This is the perfect gpu I'm looking for because the rtx a2000 is too pricey for me and rx6400, gtx 1650 they don't meet my requirements properly. But sadly there's no listing for the LP a380 anywhere :')
I got a 2060 super as my first card. Payed $130
For being meant to do battle in the GT1030, and RX6400 class, it doesn't do too bad. The major problem is the ReBAR requirement. Chances are, if your PC is new enough to support ReBAR, it's too good to need an A380. A380 is also really hard to buy, whereas its competition is readily available at any electronics retailer. For the use case of slamming a bottom spec GPU into an e-waste Dell Optiplex, RX6400 is hard to beat.
These cards require ReBAR to be enabled to be usable in games, so a SFF card would be a no-go in an older SFF PC, and I'd be shocked if you didn't already know that.
Love the form factor and hope for small and slim GPUs to be more common
They have a low profile on sale at newegg for $99
When it comes to overclocking the ARC cards, the "GPU Performance Boost" slider is not in MHz! If i give my a770 a +15 on the slider, it gains 47MHz, so try smaller steps =)
Really neat video!
Maybe try a budget build with it? i3-13100F Maybe? 8GB of RAM? Idk.. lol.
Arc A380 Low Profile is Available in Indonesia, the with 170 Usd retail price
Brand new budget build! Heck make it a black friday special buy guide.
I have the ASRock low profile on order right now I will be excited when it comes in!
You know I haven't seen too many HP workstations used in budget builds. It would be cool to see one of those. I have a HP z230 but I know the 240's and up came with a bigger PSU.
Since you have that 7700X PC can you make a video where you compare it to one of GPD's handheld using the same GPU (using oculink for the handheld)?
It's crazy that nobody made a video comparing the 7840U devices to a 7700X build now that they can actually work as a desktop replacement.
Good to see the sponsor. Noone should ever pay Microsoft for a WIndows license. The best option is to take key details off the side of an old Windows XP Pro machine, but 15-20$ isn't too bad either.
For those interested in the performance from a Ryzen 5600G with this GPU, I got 76 FPS in Tomb Raider with resizeable bar on and 40 FPS with it off. Definitely want to have a system with it on. This was also only PCI 3.0 so that is acceptable. I was on the Med preset at 1080p, motion blur off, and pure hair on low. I don't have any of the other games he tested. Reran with XeSS turned off and got 62 FPS.
Forgot to add, I also had Intel XeSS set to Balanced.
For another comparison, on my 5600X with RX 6600 XT system, I got 164 FPS with the same settings except XeSS was off and PCI 4.0. Obviousely better results but at least the A380 can definitly play some games. I got it mostly for the AV1 encoding to compress video files.
Probably a lot of folks looking to put this into an older OEM PC won't be aware of the need for ReBAR support for good performance, and they probably won't know how or just won't want to mod their UEFI/BIOS to enable it on their OEM PC
this card is a gift for gamers out there
Problem with this card is that it causes flickering on RUclips. It’s only merit is to use as video encoder, with a a ryzen 7 5600 G, using the built in graphics for actual monitor viewing
Yes, pls show a uber low end budget build with this card, using new parts. Maybe pair with RX5000 lowest end CPU. CPU stock fan, no AIO.
New budget build....
I think it was paired with a i5 or R5 chip and 16GB of RAM with a one terabyte nvme ssd, you would probably have a decent computer. The i3 or R3 would probably be a better bet for "budget" though.
I would like to see it ran under both windows and Linux....
Thank you for making your videos;
Monte
I'd like to see it running with an i3 10105f and an i5 12400, 16GB, 1TB SSD ... Those are great budget platforms for 1080p
I like the Idea & the Price. Might be worth it after they mature their Drivers some more, Compatibility Issues are among the worst Headaches for a Guy like me who Plays Games spanning over 30 Years. I still play the Old stuff a lot & some new games as well, so for me I fear I would have a lot of Headaches.
the rebar issue's the bigger problem, only newer hardware(and not even all of it) supports it.
@@InfernosReaper yeah that would be another issue because most PCs that would be a good fit for something this Price have no Resizable Bar option in the Bios
it's around 160$ here in Bulgaria, so you are lucky to get it for 99$.
I really hope we get those other form factoers soon. The half height A380 is supposed to be out already, and Intel partner with Matrox to make new SFF cards too. They have a two single slot A310 variant they're making too, but I can't imagine they'll be very good 😕hopefully they'll be like Matrox's last consumer card, which was the same die as the RX 460(?) but performed better in every way
As rock makes a sff one
I'd like to see you try the Optiplex 9020 with the i7 4790 + A380 run Starfield 🤯
(Drivers have been released so ARC GPUs can run Starfield now, looks like they'll do another update in the future also for more stability and better performance).
Also Gigabyte have released a RTX 4060 8gb OC low profile card, Amazon UK has it listed for £326 needs a min. 300 Watt PSU (Techpowerup but says 450 watt PSU on Gigas website) but would be pretty awesome to see it in a SFF build or in Dell OptiPlex 9020 MT which has a 290W PSU you'll need Sata to 8 Pin cable.
Bad idea. Arc GPUs a drastically hampered without resizable bar which wasn't available before intel 12th gen, I believe. Therefore the only use case for this is for a computer with a 12100f or 13100f. Excellent super budget option, don't get me wrong but for older hardware that need small, pinless GPU upgrade solutions, the best option new is still the rx 6400.
@@culo9999 Thanks, didn't know about the ReBar issue with Arc GPUs.
Genshin impact is better on that pc than starfield
I have a 9020 i7 but I use a GTX 1650 Super with mine. I have 700 watt psu so I could upgrade even more.
@@AntiGrieferGames What GPU do u have in the 9020?
At that price point you're just better going used, you can get a 5600XT, maybe even a 5700
The trouble there is finding a genuine used 5600XT card, and not something cheap that’s been flashed to look like a 5600XT to the OS
@@Bobson_Dugnutt_Esqthere's plenty of them on eBay, FB marketplace and local platforms, it's not some 1050ti from AliExpress.
Used Market isn't good in every country.
There are a lot of scams going on in Used Market, which is hard to justify it for many.
@@Bobson_Dugnutt_Esq no it isnt, people sell used cards theyre trying to get rid of.
@@Bobson_Dugnutt_Esq
Just don't buy from china lmao
This card is a transcoding god
I'm glad your back to the OG intro. I like it more. :)
To use Intel GPUs you MUST activate resizeble BAR
I would like to see a performance comparison between the Arc A380 and the RX 580.
I came to ask this same question.
No contest, the RX580 would absolutely spank the A380. An RX470 would still beat out this card. The A380 is a deal because of it's power management for older PCs where you might be able to skip a PSU upgrade and save some money.
Try to make an optiplex and an all new low budget parts paired with this card
I found the LP A380 here in Norway but its $180, which is a crazy price imo, but still cheaper than any other gaming LP graphics card out there
@8:27 Lol spiderman showing 7.7 gb of vram usage on a 6 gb card. Intel REALLY needs to fix the vram leak problem with their drivers. This affects a lot of other games as well like deathloop which are completely broken on the a380 due to this issue.
I preferred an RX 5700 for 120 bucks but its very good for price.
Yeah. We waiting for the low-profile version of the Intel Arc A380 with no PCIe power connector. Like NVIDIA Quadro RTX A2000 and AMD Radeon RX 6400.
just saw a posting fot a LP asrock arc a310, on amazon, would love to see a comparison between the a380 and a310 great video
I’d like to see further material on this card. It does need rebar, though, so it hampers how old of a used budget build you can make with it.
The GPU is using less than 75 watts. It's using 45 - 50 watts max, wich is imprevise for that performance, but it should use more.
Im glad that you didnt put starfield on benchmark
Budget build would be cool, maybe with a ryzen 5600. Either way, good content 👍👍
yeah yeah, do the budget build
budget build. yes please.
Important thing with Intel GPUs is to have rebar, which makes it a bad option for old systems since they dont have rebar.
Crazy that you can now mix and match CPUs and GPUs from both AMD and Intel.
the 12500t ebay is 150 bucks an asrock B660M PRO RS LGA 1700 Intel B660 SATA 6Gb/s DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard is 100 bucks and ram less than 50 bucks for 32gb that is like the best pound per pound as far as prices
"Promotion goes on until the end of August" *looks at calendar*
Please do also for 4060 low profile
Why do the asrock graphics card look so damn good. Very eye appealing.
ETA PRIME you're a beast!! The Arc card gave quite a fight!
I'd suggest 2 builds. Optiplex bottom end, so something like an i3 or i5 3rd gen. (any lower and you're really asking for it) Ideally, people will upgrade a 3rd gen to an i7 as they're still useful and pretty cheap but I get not everyone wants to faff with that. To me, this feels like the bare minimum for a sensible but cheap and easily available Optiplex build. Covers what is realistically the worst you can expect from this card.
And a modern "How cheap can you stick a PC from brand new parts" so maybe a Ryzen 5 or an intel 12th gen i5 or a 13th gen i3. Whatever you can get for around 100-150. I've not kept up with modern intels so the idea of going for an i3 makes my skin crawl but I've heard good things about the latest ones so I should give them a look.
Awesome to see intel cards getting in there though. I think there's a lot of promise for them and with Nvidia going the way it's going, someone to keep the pressure on AMD is greatly needed.
Oof... Newegg... I still remember the damaged garbage they sold me.
I'd love to see something pretty mild. I have a I5 (7gen?), 1050TI, and i can stream and play some great games at 1080 & 1440. I'd like to see something similar to that or more focused on media center with gaming capable as second. I'd stick to your normal game list but maybe some different ones than shown here today. I would also like to see a thin case, something like the media center style.
I might pick one up for a budget build if they get some low profile ones out... but otherwise I think you're better off with used Radeon cards
Such a efficient gpu! I hope some adreno GPUs make a comeback.
Would you consider putting together a new build but using a 1080 or 2080 GPU? I would love to see what these older GPUs can achieve with the max compatible CPU and RAM. Getting some performance statistics with recent releases would be awesome.
It would be nice to see that done with a small form-factor using the AMD AM4 platform since the price is falling on those parts it would make for a low budget build also.
A low budget build would be great
Was this with SAM/ReBar enabled? That would make a big difference, I assume, in an Optiplex budget build. The LP is widely available now .
some shops in Europe have the LP one on stock, however prices are ~€160; so overall not really a great deal at the moment
I got the A750 instead, but I'm still tempted to get this for some reason. Perhaps for a future home made NAS or something.
im still running a GTX 760 from 2011 on my i9-9900k, havnt upgraded cause I havnt found a small enough and cheap enough card to buy, im on the lookout for the low profile version!
Bro its already September so isnt that deal done with? 🏆💚👊
do a cheap office PC build again please I built 4 for no reason over that learned a lot thanks boss man
if you could get the LP for $100 US this would be great for refurb i5/6500 business machines that you can pick up cheap, but I have not found a listing for the LP either
No way. If you don’t have a system with resizable bar support you lose 40% performance right off the bat with Intel GPUs. This card sucks in Dell machines because they don’t have resizable bar support. He fails to mention this and it makes the video very misleading. He paired the card with a Ryzen 7700 cpu FFS. Do not buy this card and try to put it in an OEM machine like Dell Optiplex or HP, or Acer, or anything like that. You’ll be very disappointed when you’re gaming at 720p low.
@@bleeb1347 It performs still better than 750 ti wdym do you got evidence of that?
@@AntiGrieferGames without resizable bar, Intel Arc A380 is worse than a GTX 750. You are wrong. Do not buy an Arc GPU if you have a CPU older than an Intel 10th gen or older than a Ryzen 3000 series
@@bleeb1347 give me evidence
Would you please test the next build you make with A380 on HD+ resolutions? Like 768p, 900p.
this would be good for a mini retro pc/ htpc at least for dx9 games if they work that is like need for speed ungerground with wide screen fix and same with underground 2 and mostwanted paired with maybe a 6 core intel or ryzen cpu
Yeah fr this would be good for living room PC
I am not sure on the AMD stuff but the Intel has to have the ability to turn on resizable bar. I think that is around Intel 10 gen up not sure maybe 9 up. I mostly use AMD so I know the 5000 and 7000 boards have resizable bar. I just put together a Intel Z690 12gen I7K system and think of putting a either a Arc A770 16gb or a RTX 4060 8bb card in it. I just do not want to go over that $300 for a new card. I just cringe thinking about putting in a 8gb card in a new build.
I expect meteor lake 14th gen igpu on their mobile variant should perform like this a380