A Taste of Karaite Judaism In 30 Minutes or Less (Part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
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I gave a brief intro on Karaite Judaism to a group of 5th-7th graders from a conservative synagogue. The sound is not great, I was a bit rusty, my shirt collar was sticking out of my coat, but there is some good info here.
A few notes:
(1) I had wanted to encourage these students to take pride in their Jewish tradition, even though it is something difficult to do the right thing as a minority. I don't think that came across as well as I had wanted;
(2) I slipped up at one point and stated that the reason Karaites pray on rugs is likely due to the Rabbinic prohibition of prostrating on "concrete." I should have said "stone," as I did elsewhere during the presentation; and
(3) When discussing the differences between Karaite and Rabbanite dietary laws, I was asked why shawarma is generally not permissible for Karaites. I should have just said that it usually seasoned with a particular type of fat that is specifically prohibited in the Torah. Instead I grossed the kids out by telling them where the fat comes from.
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Thank you so much. I was stuck in the middle between orthodox and karaite , but after reading deciding milk and meat is acceptable in the Torah, I have decided I would like to convert to karaite judaism. I wish there was a center/community in midwest. Thank you for this teaching and your courage. God bless you.
We were Christians for most of our lives but came out of it after doing a lot of study over the last couple of years. We follow the Hebrew Bible now and have started keeping all the feast days as well as the dietary laws. We try to live as close to Judaism as we can.
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Thank you very much!
@@eblasphamy1 which religion would that be?
Welcome home
If a Christian follows the Law then what's the difference between them and a Jew that believes Jesus is the messiah?
The place of study can be anywhere. Our Creator knows our hearts desires and judgement comes to everyone. I just want peace and no lies. Love to all and prayers going up.
Very well made presentation!!!!
Here is the second part of this. A Taste of Karaite Judaism in 30 Minutes or Less (Part 2)
I like the Karaite, cause they're not indoctrinated with the talmud
they made up their own talmud :)
Sorry, R' Eliyahu Bashyachi's book Gefen Ha`Aderet is not considered by the Qaraite Jews a divine document as the Talmud is by the Orthodox.
@@ZviJ1 maybe because it doesn't deserve that accolade....
@Michael Edery Trolling is not a rebuttal. The only reason it isn't is also why they refuse to do the same for all other Qaraite works -- they are man-made opinions and interpretations. Kudos to them for this honesty, and mighty shame on you Rabbanites for attaching divine status to the works authored by your sages.
Really interesting. Great presentation.
Excellent lecture!
Don't be uncomfortable being minority, it is written in Deuteronomy that God choose you because you were the fewest of all people .
Hi, I don't know why but I can't hear anything. I've seen this video before and I tried in different places. Would you please do something.
explain where and what one circumcize? oh oh...How do you read Hebrew Sefer Torah without nikkudot vowels ?
How to find out more about Daniel kumisi?? thanks
Do you have a Texas location?
Peace and Greetings!
I'm karaite and read Talmud for discussions between Rabbis. I follow study all men for wisdom, but I live as karaite. I don't believe karaite should stop just reading our Rabbis, we can read and study without becoming ritual as they have become. We must come together stop the divisions.
What do you mean by "our" rabbis? You apparently came to Judaism from Xtianity and have not converted yet. Qaraite Jews, also those who underwent actual conversion, do not consider Orthodox rabbis their own. It's awesome that you have accepted the Miqra without any JC crap , but please do not consider yourself a Jew until you have converted through one of the Jewish denominations.
@Torah Muscle A Qaraite??? No kidding Chaz, huh??! Seven months ago, when we had the argument in FB about masturbation, you were on the Rabbinic side of the aisle.
I wonder what made you switch sides. Hard to take someone like this seriously.
@Torah Muscle So you blocked me on frivolous and *patently false* grounds and are lying about it, to cover up the real reason I responded to you with some insults and negativity -- your incessant virtue signaling that falsely implied I had attempted to cause you to commit sin by masturbating, coupled with your shameful insinuations that those holding to my position were somehow vile. Alrighty then.... good riddance. Go ask for example Azriel Kowtek why she likes me so much and is in an excellent relationship with me if I am the kind of man you've described in your comment. Or check with Edward Frank to name another. And these are just in the realm of Qaraism, not all the arenas I operate in. It's not like I need to prove anything to you and even you're aware you're wildly exaggerating about me.
Now that you've finally decided where you want to be in Judaism and no longer purport to be Qaraite, I hope you'll find contentment in Rabbinic Judaism and at least leave us Scripturalists alone.
@@ZviJ1 Yup, even though the Torah (and Isaiah and Ruth) all agree one can join themselves to Israel without any need of man made crap. Its ironic you say its hard to take another person seriously when you're breaking Torah without a second thought.
Its clear the person above isn't fluent in English thus it could be they worded it wrong but of course you need to come in and pretend you know their story or if they're an actual Jew or not just based on one block of text.
The arrogance and foolishness you so proudly wave around is both laughable and sad. I hope no one takes you seriously, its clear you have zero understanding of what Torah says or how to treat others.
@@ZviJ1 Another thing I find laughable is that you run down Peleh and call him a fraud when the man has helped more people and follows Torah better than you do. Perhaps, just perhaps, you're the fraud? I don't mean in the sense that you aren't Jewish, I believe you are, but in the way that you claim to follow Torah. but actively go against it. Gotta love that.
I like karaite jews just because they followed the true word of God from the bible .
I am a Karaite Jew I've read the Talmud I own a copy of the Kabbalah but I only believe in the Tanakh I own a OT I enjoy studying the Tanakh I am skeptical of the oral law......
+Ben Rios
YHWH does not command us to literally wear Ṭoṭafot; in point of fact the Torah does betray what it means by that word, when in 1 of the 4 pesuqim of this category it employs the word Zikaron (memory) instead of Ṭoṭafot. This leads, given the commandment's context, to the conclusion that we are expected to study the Torah well until it is stored in our memory AS IF its commandments are placed between our eyes like a precious jewel.
The "oral" law is a fictitious Rabbinic invention that distances its adherents from the true Torah.
+Ben Rios Even a great Rabbinical exegete, Rashbam, reached of his volition the same conclusion that the Qaraite Sages had reached where the "Ot"+"Ṭoṭafot" are concerned.
Your problem as a Rabbanite is compounded by the historic and Halakhic reality that the Pharisaic movement that fathered Rabbinic Judaism is the only stream in the religion of Israel that has ever decided that the Miṣwot in this category were meant to be observed in a literal/physical manner of affixing ritual accessories to certain body parts. This is not my opinion but historical fact verified by academic scholars.
@@ZviJ1 the oral law is not a rabbinic invention. It's a myth. What is an invention in your religion, which was invented in the 9th century by Anan Ben David. Your religion is a man-made religion.
1.- Your last two sentences are logical fallacies, since Qaraite Judaism is a form of Judaism, which by definition precludes it from being a non-Jewish religion.
2.- Your script line that `Anan b. David invented Qaraism is Rabbinic propaganda long debunked by modern scholarship.
First off, competent scholars found that `Anan's exegetical method was much closer to Rabbinism's methods than the Qaraites.
Secondly, documents from the Middle Ages were found that show how the Ananites and Qaraites kept coexisting as separate movements into the 10th century.
Thirdly, `Anan's invention of a month long fast, or that only Maṣot from barley are valid and his blanket prohibition on consuming meat and drinking wine are NOT part of Qaraite Judaism.
Fourthly, there is no Abbasid record of `Anan ben Dawid having been imprisoned, even though the Abbasids were meticulous in recording all matters brought before the Calif and who was imprisoned. The myth not only does not show up until the 10th (possibly the 12th according to Nemoy) century, it also has two different versions: one which said that ‘Anan had a brother name Ḥananyah who succeeded the Exilarch Shelomo ben-Ḥisdai, while in the other it says the brother’s name was Yoshiyah. However, both are fiction and bear no relationship with historical fact, since Shelomo ben-Ḥisdai was succeeded by Yiṣḥaq Iskawi I, who was succeeded by Yehudah Zakkai. There never was an Exilarch named Ḥananyah or Yoshiyah.
The myth also claims that ‘Anan’s father was Shafaṭ and that he was only called ben-Dawid as a allusion to his Davidic descent. However, ‘Anan’s father was Dawid ben-Yehudah ben-Ḥisdai ben-Bustenai.
‘Anan ben-Shafaṭ disputed with the Exilarch Rav Huna II in the third century (Rav Huna II was Exilarch from 240 to 260), while the alleged imprisonment was supposed to have occurred in 769.
The 10th/12th century myth records what it claims was a secret conversation between ‘Anan and the Muslim scholar Abu Ḥanifa an-Nu‘man ibn Tabit (ignoring the fact that Abu Ḥanifa died in 767, two years before ‘Anan’s alleged imprisonment) in which the Muslim convinces ‘Anan to say that he was not the head of the Jews but of a different religion. If there was such a secret conversation, how could the author of the myth be privy to what was said?
None of the Rabbanite opponents of ‘Anan during his lifetime or that of his son or his grandson or great-grandson mention a dispute of the Exilarchate with a brother or him being imprisoned. If the things in the 10th/12th century myth were true, why is it that none of the opponents of ‘Anan or the Qaraites mention it until the 10th/12th century?
The Rabbanite Ga’on Naṭronai lived less than 90 years after ‘Anan, yet makes no mention of the alleged dispute over the office or imprisonment.
Leon Nemoy in his “Karaite Anthology”, p. 6-7 says that Naṭronai tells us nothing “about the contest for the office of the exilarch which allegedly served as the immediate cause of his apostasy. It seems reasonable to assume that Naṭronai’s silence signifies that he knew nothing about it, for it would have been to his advantage, had he knowledge of `Anan’s disqualification for the high office, to set it forth in detail in order to demonstrate the more convincingly, from his own point of view, `Anan’s unworthy and ungodly motives. Moreover, Naṭronai lived in the very center of the scene of `Anan’s activity and belonged to the higher strata of Rabbanite society, where the alleged particulars of `Anan’s secession should have been known best, had they been true.”
Someone who lived less than 90 years after ‘Anan would also know that the Exilarch Shelomo ben-Ḥisadai was succeeded by Yiṣḥaq Iskawi and he by Yehudah ben-Zakkai and that there was no Exilarch named Ḥananyah or Yoshiyah. Only someone from a much later time period could confuse the 3rd century ‘Anan ben-Shafaṭ and Rava Huna I with the 8th century ‘Anan ben-Dawid and a fictitious brother named Ḥananyah.
@Alex karav
The additions, subtractions and contradictions to the true Torah in Rabbinic Judaism are man-made, which leaves little in Rabbinism that is not man-made. The Rabbinic argument that the "oral" law was handed down at Sinai together with the actual Torah is a Rabbinic myth and invention.
You have exposed yourself as an ignoramus. I've just given you a chance to improve your level of knowledge about the subject and stop spouting your ignorant drivel. Will you take it?
Is there any Karate synagogue in The Netherlands?
I need a adress in The Netherlands.
Nope..The closest one is in Switzerland. I propose you head on over to the Karaite Jews of Europe website and contact them.
Very interesting! I found your page looking for non-Talmud Jews. I have questions you could probably provide insights on. I’m looking forward to seeing more of your work.
very interesting
How do interpret Isaiah 53?
This is the only source that talks about the differences of eating kosher for Karaites
Can you please explain on why your wearing 'kippah' (small round head cover) based on Tanakh. And what about tassel 'tzitzit'? Thanks
Tzitzit is based on wearing a garment with 4 strings on the corner. Wearing it as an undershirt is a "newer" tradition, as we can see in Egyptian art depicting western Semites wearing a tzitzit like a skirt or a kilt. Karaites CAN follow certain rabbinical interpretations if they choose to because it's their own interpretation that coincides with some aspects of rabbinical. Kippah was a much more convenient and practical substitute for a turban and so most Jewish sects use it (samartians use a fez and wrap it with a cloth but not put on the cloth like a turban).
@@SammytheawesomeILikePotatoes It is worth noting that in rabbinical Judaism there is no obligation to wear a head covering, it is an act of piety to do so, but not obligatory. The masses of Orthodox Jews have adopted it as a practice but it isn't necessary, not even in synagogues. Furthermore, there is no obligation to wear a four cornered garment requiring the tsitsit. No one is committing a sin for not wearing one.
@@SammytheawesomeILikePotatoes Actually, only the Mt. Gerizim based Samaritans wear a Fez. You should watch video clips of Samaritan worship and look at their photo's -- many other Samaritans do wear large Kippot.
@@dovygoodguy1296 I agree. Certainly in "proper" Rabbinical Judaism it is not obligatory. The situation about head covering among the Orthodox Rabbanites has become downright grotesque, where they insist on it and toss people out of synagogues for not wearing one. The same thing happens at the Western Wall's plaza, where the employees of the Wall's Heritage Foundation can bar males from it for refusing to put on one. Thankfully, the only Israeli organization in a power position at the Temple Mount's environment, the police, never attempts to enforce head covering for Jews there, and I always ascend to it bare headed with Scriptural Ṣiṣiyot on my attire.
Check out Eli Shmuel's video . . on the principles of faith. The 10 Principles of Faith According to Karaite Sage Yehudah Hadassi (Part 1)
How can I get this whole teaching?
part 2 is also online
I love the Karaite theology
at 9:57 you talk of different fats.how do kararites differentiate different fats which ones being permitted and which forbidden? when the text itself doesn't make differences?
You didn't read well enough and I recommend you reread from the best translation on the market, Everett Fox's Five Books of Moses (Vol. I, Schoken Edition).
@@ZviJ1 which verse should i reread?
@@yankeehayward7916 All the verses that deal with this topic in Wayiqra's 7 first chapters or so.
it is goat and kid in the milk, does not refer to beef. Because the goat in milk was a pagan ritual
Actually, the notion it refers to a pagan ritual has been refuted insofar that it relies on an attempt to decipher a text from Ugarit.
@@ZviJ1 you right
I have a question to you
Are you believe in god?
Because I am and I have a question that I would like to ask you
Cooking meat and milk together was a pagan ritual forbidden as explained in Torah.... do not copy the ways of the pagans Jeremiah 10 v 12, Deuteronomy 12 v 29-32, God forbids their practices .... they are an abomination, whether it’s lamb beef or goat.... it’s meatkind, cooking a calf in milk, or a lamb in milk or goat in milk is forbidden, if people are not sure, it’s best not done at all, instead of trying to justify what one isn’t sure about... its best to abstain....if you notice these practices are still done and practised by the Non Jewish populations of the region and around the world eg by christians and Muslims alike.....also still in the region of Canaan today..... Gods laws were for Gods chosen people entering the promised land as a new way of living outside of the pagan world they were so used to living in.... He is clear....God says ‘I judge your motives’, Proverbs 16 v 2.....also if you think about what happens in the stomach when you eat milk and meat..... milk breaks down differently and can curdle with the meat juices.... and can and does cause so much food poisoning.....
There were many pagan rituals that the Canaanites did that is forbidden eg eating pork and many still do.... God created animals that clean the earth eg the forbidden animals or non edible animals and animals that eat clean things that we can eat..... there is a saying you are what you eat... hence you will eventually become ill...
@Tahnn Ju Don't lecture Scriptural Jews about the Torah. It does NOT generally prohibit "cooking meat and milk together". *It rather prohibits to cook a kid in its mothers milk*, the purpose of the commandment being to prevent the cruelty to animals inherent in this action. There is no solid evidence that it was also prohibited in order to distance the Israelites from aping a supposed pagan ritual where gentiles did this. There is no universal agreement among Jewish exegetes on what a "kid" is. It may be a suckling infant of cows, goats and sheep, or it is just of the latter two species. I subscribe to the latter understanding.
I just wish there was a pathway for converting to Karaite Judaism. The Karaite University in Daly City isn't running their courses any longer. My wife and I are very discouraged because we don't want to convert to Orthodox Judaism. But the Karaite presence in the US is very small. If anyone knows a way please let us know. Shalom!
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A 7th day Sabbath. Starting Friday at sunset. Just as the Orthodox do.
They stopped the courses?
SeverEnergia
Yes, I contacted them and they are no longer running the courses because of lack of funding.
Persnickety Picker For the meantime, the KJA it is still running courses in Spanish and Portuguese. It will renew the English courses when its Chancellor gets some personal matters in order.
All Qaraites do not observe Shabbat for ~25 hrs. Some of the non-traditional Qaraites start Shabbat at nightfall and keep it for 24+ hours.
***** The entire Lunatic Shabbat thing is a creation of Christians, some of whom have apparently latched on to Qaraite Judaism and probably hijack it for their purposes. Qaraism is a movement of Judaism, just like Orthodoxy is.
I am Christian and our Messiah is talking only about written Torah did you Karaite allowed to eat cheesburger or not?
Non-Jewish people are not commanded to convert to Karaite Judaism - or Torah of Israel - faith in the Tanakh as far as I can tell. Does Karaite Judaism agree with that? If they do agree with that statement, do they think non-Jewish people should feel obligated to follow the actual universal covenant of Genesis 9, the sign being the rainbow. This appears to still be valid and in force for mankind. Are members of the rest of mankind beyond the covenanted land of Abraham obligated to follow Genesis 1:1 - 11:9, the religion of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth and their immediate successors?
Is it part of Judaism? Or kina Messianic Judaism?
I want to convert. I wish someone would help me.
What about Genesis 18:8? Abraham served dairy and a calf to Adonai and the 2 messangers with Him.
I must say as a Karaite Jew that even modern Karaites have it wrong. The Law is ONLY Deuteronomy. Moses says repeatedly do what I tell you this day and STRICTLY add nor substract anything. That is the Command. Even tho circumcission isn't included in Deuteronomy it was performed prior to crossing so it is the only thing outside Deuteronomy that can, with reason, be applied as Law also. It is as if modern Karaites advocate just the Torah but don't actually read what Deuteronomy says. Moses is very very clear on this. I invite all Karaite Jews to read it. There is absolutely no way anyone can argue with my assertion without sounding like a Rabbinical Jew. Deuteronomy is the only Law.
Without the Oral Torah, you can't have a functioning society from Tanach alone. The Tanach is the Constitution, the Oral Torah is the laws passed by Congress. You need both.
Where have you read that you can't eat shawarma that way?
You'll be hard pressed to find Shawarma that doesn't contain any of the forbidden fatty-tail Ḥelev.
its funny because my family moved to ny and we are karaite and krymchaks on my dads side
at the minute 7:51 you talk about that is permitted to eat a cheeseburger read Genesis 18:6-8
I sometimes thought about this, even as a gentile seeking Truth that this milk/meat interpretation was interesting and if this interpretation was going too far. I also wondered, why would G-d make the Torah so difficult to understand?
Why do you write "G-d"? Were you taken in by the Rabbinic hooey that it is out of respect for God's name and a fence against carrying His name in vain?
"God" is a grand title, a "job description" of the Almighty. He has only one name, which is YHWH (even if its pronunciation is in doubt).
@@ZviJ1 there is no letter o in the Hebrew alphabet, the word "gd" means fortune
@@omnidoer7423 Irrelevant to my comment. Of course you're enttiled to your opinion (whatever your religion is, that you're not revealing on your channel or here), but you can't teach me Hebrew. I've had a good command of it for decades now.
@@ZviJ1 there word gd is not a title or a job description it's a joke played on gentiles
@@ZviJ1 isaiah 65:11
But as for you who forsake YHWH and forget my holy mountain, who spread a table for gd and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny
Orthodox have the Shulchan aruch code of laws all from Torah Tanakh Talmud argues points of laws. Shulchan Aruch defines them.
When I converted in 07 this question of do I only believe in Torah i was asked, on the morning of our conversions but I only get by Commandments from YAHs Torah I am confused about you saying we get our Commandments from all of the Tanakh Deuteronomy 4:2 tells me we are not to add or subtract from HIS law
My view then as it is today as long as the Tanakh does not add or subtract from Torah great but no way can I add to YAHs word my sanity is my steadfast
View on this very disappointed with that I must say regards
I am very glad we can still look to rabis as guidance in interpretation
Kara means look, Karaite means the one that looks. In other words, the one who looks only at the book.
Extremely funny...........
The Talmud has become an idol. Where exactly in the Torah does it say a sheep tale is unkosher?
Just in case my African american brothers are wondering why I subscribed to this channel, YAH doesnt make mistakes. When I first traveled to Africa in 1993 at 20 years old Cairo Egypt was my FIRST STOP before Mombasa Kenya, Mogadishu Somalia or Seychelles (1994). It's IRONIC and I did'nt know that Cairo, Egypt signed a treaty with the Karaite Hebrews (I hate the word Jew because it sounds derogatory like the word Nigg@#) to close up the ONLY synagogue in Cairo to protect the historic artifacts. *You have to undertand in 1993 the Muslim Brotherhood presence in Cairo wasnt strong like they are in present time. *NO DISRESPECT intended to the seeds of Ishmael the seed of the Father Abraham and older brother of Isaac. SELAH
I love ALL my BLOOD RELATIVES of Islam unconditionally but if you DISRESPECT ME and call me a INFIDEL to my face WE ARE KICKING UP DUST and you KNOW you dont want that.
USE THE DEFINITION in URBAN DICTIONARY.
Carlos, there are centuries of documented cases of the karaites being left in peace in poland, russia, germany etc when zionists were being removed. Should be VERY telling...
@@JohnJones-fx9jjThis is a triple lie, Naziboy -- also because Qaraites never reached Germany until the 20th century and the Qaraites were more Zionist than the Rabbinical Jews prior to the advent of modern secular Zionism. Take your Stomfront propaganda elsewhere.
ban Anan was a rabbi and came up with his own "tripe"...lol
We need to restore the honor of our glorious days in Ancient Israel. The Talmud blurs the truth of our Torah, God is within all of us, not the Talmud!
Jews and honor.....a contradiction....
Yes. It bothers me that the Jews have all moved to the land without repentance. Hashem has never allowed it!
Deuteronomy 4:2
Karaite Judaism = authentic, written Torah only, Judaism !
Tradition Vs THE WORD OF G-D, and tradition wins in this fallen world !!!
Sounds alot like what people call the dhahiri school of Islam
you can ask a rabbi and the rabbanite jews also study to find out the law but if you dont know it is good to ask a expert they do figure it out themselves but you should still go to a rabbi just to be sure beacuse they are experts
Cupcake... the Qaraite Sages are the true experts in the Miqra (Jewish Bible). The rabbis lag far behind in this area.
Yes but the rabbanites have rabbis because they are experts so they decide the law in specific case. It can't be that every Qaraite is an expert.
You have misconstrued my comment. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that some substance abuse has prevented you from properly grasping my comment rather than plain idiocy.
Now for the last time: we do not need to "still go to a rabbi" since their expertise is faulty. In fact, a Jew will do much better not to seek their council at all and turn instead to true experts -- Qaraite Sages.
Yes, the Rabbanites should quit being Rabbanites; the entire people of Israel will be much better for it.
Now that I think of it I've never eaten Shawarma, pork, anything like that.
+Aviella Ross BACON CAN ACTUALLY EXTEND YOUR LIFE.
+jehovahuponyou Pork or swine can be healthy, but this won't make us lose sleep over abstaining from it. You can take Geezus, we take YHWH.
+ZviJ1 ACTUALLY YOU TAKE IT UP TH EBUTT, I DON'T.
+jehovahuponyou SURE, OK, MY DEAR SENSITIVE FUCKWIT. ((:
+ZviJ1 I SCOFF UPON YOU, MY DARLING TURTLE TURD.
PS - NEXT TIME YOU ADDRESS ME, USE THE WORD "SIR". ROFL! :^)
But the people went to Moshe to learn the answers to their cases. Moshe gave answers to questions. Isnt this a demonstration of the rabbinic system, in some way?
Nope. He had to either consult with YHWH to formulate the answers, or think them up by himself. If there were an oral Torah concurrent with the actual Torah, Moshe would go directly to the oral one, find the answer there and apply it immediately.
@@ZviJ1 Devrim 17:11, Moshe is explaining to the the nation what to do in the future when they don't know how to follow a commandment and explains that they should go to the Levi, the Kohen, or to the Judge they may have in those days and, "you shall act in accordance with the Torah instructed to you and the ruling told to you and do it, do not deviate from the thing which they tell you either right or left"
@@markhanna1372 If you're a Rabbanite or some other apologist for Rabbinical Judaism, there's probably nothing that can be said to convince you that you're misinterpreting the verse. The passage (Devarim 17-8-13) deals with something specific: civil law cases where local courts fail to reach a verdict; in such an event the litigants are ordered to take their case to the Supreme Court that *must* be located at "the Place YHWH Chooses", namely the Temple Mt. The court is priestly and the text is explicit that it contains no more than a single non-Levitical judge. This court does not establish religious law.
These commandments do not apply to courts outside of the Temple Mt. and if the court is not priestly it has no authority according to said passage.
I want to be a karaite jew...want to convert
Thank you for sharing, this is one more reason I am grateful to be a CHRISTian.......
Test your theology against GODs words. You will fall short and be left with more questions than answers.
@@yakovmagby8110 wrong. The prophets spoke of Yeshua; forget doctrine. Just compare the TaNaKH with the new covenant.
@@toko34 lol Your very 1st claim *IS* doctrine and you don't notice it. I'll give you a chance in this comment to read the Jewish Bible properly through a credible resource. Hopefully you're smart enough not to fritter it away.
Since you believe that all your sins have been "forgiven" because you believe J. Christ "the savior" died for and instead of you, you are in real trouble!
Please don't kid yourself. Not only are you still sin-laden, you have added a new, terrible sin to the old batch! You are guilty of idolatry for worshiping a false "savior" and god. The word of YHWH plainly states that He (YHWH) alone is Savior; (Isaiah 43:11). He alone can forgive sin (Isaiah 43:25). He alone is the True Deity (Isaiah 43:10)!!
Moreover, you cannot "believe away" sin! Magic plays absolutely no role in the system of sin and atonement established by YHWH, the sole Creator of this universe and pure God of Israel. Atonement by "faith" is not part of YHWH's setup. The only way a sinner can get his sins forgiven is by repenting and; by doing and fulfilling what YHWH wants him to do!! YHWH says: "Again, when I say to the wicked, you shall surely die; if he turn from his sin (repents) and do that which lawful and right ("good works")... he shall surely live, he shall NOT die!! NONE of his sins which he had committed shall be remembered against him! He has done that which is lawful and right! He shall surely LIVE!" (Ezekiel 33:14-16).
Ezekiel was a prophet of YHWH. He wasn't a Christian preacher!
In Moses' day, the repentant sinner usually (NOT ALWAYS) offered an animal sacrifice to symbolize his "giving" and YHWH's "accepting".
Later prophets elaborated on how animal sacrifices are worthless without obedience:
"Behold, to OBEY is BETTER than sacrifice!" (1 Samuel 15:22). "Do I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?" (Psalms 50:13).
"By practicing mercy and truth is sin atoned for!" (Proverbs 16:6).
HOW can you come to YHWH? YHWH provides the answer: "Return, O Israel, to YHWH your almighty, for you have stumbled in your iniquity! Take with you WORDS and return to YHWH! (WHAT words?) Say to Him: forgive all iniquity and accept GOODNESS (good works). Thus, will we offer, INSTEAD of bullocks (blood) the offerings of our LIPS!" (Hosea 14:2-3).
According to the word of YHWH, NO ONE can die for you! If you don't believe me, read Exodus 33:31-33; Deuteronomy 24:16; Ezekiel 18:3-4. But YHWH's demands can be met by you, if only you will know the truth. You can come to YHWH on your own! Read YHWH's word! "With what offering can I come before YHWH, and bow myself before the Mighty One on high? Should I come to him with burnt offerings, with year-old calves? Will YHWH be pleased by thousands of rams, with ten thousand rivers of oil? Should I give my first-born for my transgression (human sacrifice, like the crucifixion!), the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? It has been told you, O man, what is good, and what YHWH (not religious doctrine but YHWH!) requires of you: ONLY to DO what is just (YHWH's COMMANDMENTS) and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your Almighty!" (Micah 6:6-8).
Hallelu-Yahh, praise YHWH! His Salvation is open to all! No believing in fairy-stories, no bloody crucifixions! No "divine suicide" on a Roman Cross! Plain and simple is the Way of YHWH! Will you take Him at His Word today?
Circumcise your heart, loosen your stiff neck and remove the JC scales from your eyes.
Read at leisure with an open mind through faithstrengthened.karaitejudaism.org/FS_TOC.html
am a messianic jew , this was was after my spritual convertion to keeping torah i always thought the rabbis ideas off the blue on tzitzit and milk and meat issue made no sense then i came across nemiah gorden and being kariate makes sense , i was a "christian" that is one who grow up in a church who never question your pastors or elders on how the interpret the scriptures, just trust them , that just like oral torah or talmud ,,,, until u the individual read your scriptures for your self and realize this is not we suppose to do or mebe or rabbis / pastors got this wrong .... so I believe in the torah as my foundation off faith , i also believe in Jesus/Yeshua is the messiah and he showed us how walk torah.... so live torah lifestyle just like how my messiah did and NOT fellow traditions off man Jesus said not to fellow in Mark chapter 7 ,,,,, some the traditions are xmas , easter , eating pork etc flip the coin to traditional jews = milk and meat , beards etc .... so some up just stick to the bible and the torah is our foundation which our messiah thought us to keep and fellow ....shalom
With no intention to offend you personally, it is Messianic "Jew", because Messianic "Judaism" is not a bona fide form of Judaism. If you believe in Geesucks this automatically puts you in contravention of the Torah for following a false prophet and another deity, plus violating the Torah's prohibition of the abomination of the pagan practice known as human sacrifice.
Please read at your leisure with an open mind through faithstrengthened.karaitejudaism.org/FS_TOC.html . If you allow the Truth of the Miqra (Jewish Bible) to confound you, you will learn just how wrong you are in your conviction that you are following the Torah while clinging to Geesucks.You do not need to separate meat and milk since the Torah does not demand this.
@Ben Rios
You misconstrued his remark. He does NOT deny the Torah commands that a Tekhelet (blue-violet) twisted cord be incorporated into the Ṣiṣit, but evidently he does object to the Rabbinic interpretation that the Tekhelet must be extracted from some kind of marine species.
kerei.kareiski.crowl.bird.cross.kara.kaya.cross in circle.crowl in sky.messenger of sky.son of sky.ruler of world.the galaxy.rainbow.ride rein deer.horn of reindeer>>tree>>candlestick of seven tree. rein>>reign. karaite???
You guys came up with your own oral laws and traditions ( Talmud).
Ben Anon followed Muslim fasts...
Not really. Traditions don't have to be codified in a Talmud.
Serious scholarship -- not the tripe of the Rabbinic narrative -- has already found that `Anan b. Dawid founded the Ananite group and not the Qaraites, and both groups kept coexisting into the 10th century.
If you actually study the Talmud you'll see that the Talmudic sages analyze the Tanach intensively and ponder every word every letter every syntax spelling etc. they don't just pull things out of a hat. The Oral Torah is seen as the definitive interpretation of the Written one but it's totally based on the Written. Even Qaraites who are knowledgeable understand this. Both Qaraites and Rabbanites are based on Tanach. The difference is whether the official version of interpretation e.g. oral Torah is authoritative or not.
@@BigJFindAWay lol...... if the Talmud actually did this, it would not have any room within it for the oceans of hogwash it contains, that are unrelated to interpreting the actual Torah. Your "oral" torah consists of plenty of material that has little to do with the Torah.
@@ZviJ1 There's a lot of weird stuff in the Talmud and stuff not really relevant to us, but there's also a lot of wisdom and brilliance in interpreting verses, which is why you get Karaites who study Talmud for insights.
@@BigJFindAWay Now that you've corrected yourself, I'll say that the fact you've just brought up highlights the ignorance of the Rabbanites (even some relatively informed ones) who state that the Qaraites totally ignore the Rabbinic literature.
Gosh, have you read this passage from Genesis 18. IT IS OK TO COOK MEAT AND MILK TOGETHER.... abraham as a sign of respect asks sarah to cook for the special guest a calf in cream and milk.... so why in the world some people are stuck on the idea of "do not cook a kid in his mother milk". What if you cook the kid in his AUNT's milk, or a cow's milk?? can you cook it? the answer would be yes!
so please jews, read the bible thoroughly!!!
18.7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto the servant; and he hastened to dress it.
18.8 And he took curd, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
(some idiots later on, came up with the sh..t that it is why the angels didn't get the torah because they ate meat and milk together!!!! which would mean abraham was a complete asshole, but cheating the angels!?? when they came to announce the birth of isaac)
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2. About the TEFILLIN: It stated clearly that you have to put the " action of the might of god who freed the hebrews from egypt": ON YOUR HAND (not on your ARM), and TOTAFOT between your EYES (not on your FORHEAD!!!!).
"to remember that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand".
Why on your HAND (maybe so you can see it yourself and remember), Why between your EYES (maybe so the people will see if when they look in your EYES.)
about the word TOTAFOT . probably from LE"ATIF (to lecture, to preach). להטיף מוסר. as it is mentioned few times in the bible: that when/if children ask you why are you wearing tefilin, then you will teach/preach/lecture them that it is to remember that god had freed the people from egypt.
DEUT 11.2 "And know ye this day; for I speak not with your children that have not known, and that have not seen the chastisement of the LORD your God, His greatness, His mighty hand, and His outstretched arm,"
actually what should be in the Tefillin is the story of god freeing the hebrews from pharao" . IT IS the most important event in the the life of the hebrews....
just FYI..: do you know that muslim observe yom kippur on the ashura day. the 10th days of their first month.....10 of muharam.
WHY? when mohamad saw the jews fasting on yom kippur, he asked they why, and they said: we are fasting to remember the mighy hand of god that freed us from egypt! (i am writting this as a cross reference for historic value). so mohamad thought it was a good idea (hadit bukhari), and suggested the muslims to do like the jews and mohamad fasted that day.. and they still do it up to these days.
for historic value, and putting yourself in the shoes of the hebrews, what can be more important than getting out of slavery????
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Karaites, if you interpret what is written, you cannot decide that it is a METAPHOR when you want. Either you do as it says or not. Otherwise EVERYTHING can be a METAPHOR. everything!! specially that wear a sign on your hand was mentioned numerous time.
Your book says :AS IT IS WRITTEN! so don't metaphor me when you decide.
Other people who believes only in the tanakh (5 first books of the bible), are the samaritans. and they have the original bible written 30 years after moses (not 1000 years later like the hebrew bible). so anyone can believe or understand what they want, but please USA Karaites do not charge membership fees to join your temple like the reform jews do. (I just saw something scary from a reform synagogue in miami... 36000 $/year gold membership !!!! otherwise it is 2500/year ! WTF
I see that you guys are short 150k$ from the 1.2 m$ needed??
it is why people hate us, the jews!
ps if you want more explantations like that, don't hesitate to ask..
With all due respect, you sound like a Muslim that pathetically wants to pass for a Jew; you got the meaning of the word Ṭoṭafot totally wrong which betrays an atrocious command of Hebrew; your claim attributing to the Samaritans the "original Bible" is laughable.
Whoever you happen to be, we really do not need your pearls of wisdom.
It is much better for you to mind your own business as a Muslim or something than ending up having readers snicker about you.
The first part is justified because we Jews believe that Abraham fame before the Torah.
David Jenson: Bless you for having the intelligence and wisdom to see so plainly what the rabbinical devils have tried so hard to distort.
@David Jenson Actually, the notion it refers to a pagan fertility ritual has been refuted insofar that it relies on an attempt to decipher a text from Ugarit -- the only thing that could register as solid evidence for attributing the commandment to an intention of distancing the Israelites from aping pagan practices.
This leaves only one purpose for this commandment on the table -- to prevent the cruelty to animals inherent in the act of cooking a kid in its mother's milk.
Proper disclosure: I'm a Scriptural Jew, I mix meat and dairy, yet I observe this commandment.
SHOUT OUT TO THE REAL JEWS
Faithful witness and report for the Hebrews/the promised seed of Israel (The
Jews). Proverbs 1 ; Proverbs 3 ; Old testament prophecies of Christ(Messiah)
indisputable to any that truly love the Lord and God sincerely, His Word.
His mission was twofold The sacrificial Passover lamb(His first advent)/King of Kings and Lord of
Lords(His second coming for the faithful remnant during Jacob's trouble):-
Psalm 2 ; Isaiah 1:10-20 ; Isaiah 9: 6-7 ; Deuteronomy 4 ; Deuteronomy 25:13-15
; Proverbs 16:11/John 1 ; Isaiah 5:26 ; Isaiah 6:10 ; Isaiah 7:14 ; Isaiah 12:1-3 ;
Isaiah 45:22 ; Isaiah 49;13-16 (Rebuke to the wicked iniquitous murdering Talmud
believing cabal) ; Isaiah 53:5 ; Isaiah 55:1-6 ; Jeremiah 8:13-22 ; Jeremiah 17:14 ;
Psalm 30:2 ; Psalm 40:7 ; Psalm 45:5-6 ; Psalm 110:1-2 ; Psalm 118:22 ; Psalm
107:20 ; Psalm 138;1-2 ; Numbers 21:9/John 3:13-18 ; Jeremiah 15:18-21;
Jeremiah 6:14 ; Jeremiah 17:5- 14 ; Ezekiel 34:10-24 ; Zechariah 13:7(Christ died
for all mankind Jew first gentile second and the prophecy of Jacob's consequence to
come) ; Zechariah 11 (Priesthood broke their covenant but Christ restored it by
His precious blood the new and everlasting covenant (verse12) ; Zechariah 9:9 ;
Malachi 4:5-6 ; Habakkuk 1:5 ; Romans 11 ; Romans 12 ; The book to the
Hebrews ; 1st John 3:23-24 ; Acts 3:26 ; Acts 5:31 ; Acts 20:21 ; Luke 24:47 ;
Ezekiel 37 ; Romans 10 ; Psalm 37 ; Psalm 115.
If you are a Jew then why are you not saved? The sacrificial offering for sin does not
save you ( Isaiah 1:10-20) it has no end but through Christ the sacrifice once and
forever came and will come again as King of Kings (Zechariah 14).Acts 2:21 KJV ;
Romans 10 ; 1 Timothy 2:1-6 KJV
John 8:58 KJV
58 Jesus said unto them,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:24 KJV
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I
am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Please don't kid yourself. You believe that all your sins have been "forgiven" because you believe that Jesus Christ "the savior" died for, and instead of you!
You are in real trouble! Not only are you still sin-laden, you have added a new, terrible sin to the old batch! You are guilty of idolatry for worshiping a false "savior" and god. The word of YHWH plainly states that He (YHWH) alone is Savior; (Isaiah 43:11). He alone can forgive sin (Isaiah 43:25). He alone is the True Deity (Isaiah 43:10)!!
Moreover, you cannot "believe away" sin! Magic plays absolutely no role in the system of sin and atonement established by YHWH, the sole Creator of this universe and pure God of Israel. Atonement by "faith" is not part of YHWH's setup. The only way a sinner can get his sins forgiven is by repenting and; by doing and fulfilling what YHWH wants him to do!! YHWH says: "Again, when I say to the wicked, you shall surely die; if he turn from his sin (repents) and do that which lawful and right ("good works")... he shall surely live, he shall NOT die!! NONE of his sins which he had committed shall be remembered against him! He has done that which is lawful and right! He shall surely LIVE!" (Ezekiel 33:14-16). Ezekiel was a prophet of YHWH. He wasn't a Christian preacher!
In Moses' day, the repentant sinner usually (NOT ALWAYS) offered an animal sacrifice to symbolize his "giving" and YHWH's "accepting".
Later prophets elaborated on how animal sacrifices are worthless without obedience:
"Behold, to OBEY is BETTER than sacrifice!" (1 Samuel 15:22). "Do I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?" (Psalms 50:13).
"By practicing mercy and truth is sin atoned for!" (Proverbs 16:6).
HOW can you come to YHWH? YHWH provides the answer: "Return, O Israel, to YHWH your almighty, for you have stumbled in your iniquity! Take with you WORDS and return to YHWH! (WHAT words?) Say to Him: forgive all iniquity and accept GOODNESS (good works). Thus, will we offer, INSTEAD of bullocks (blood) the offerings of our LIPS!" (Hosea 14:2-3).
According to the word of YHWH, NO ONE can die for you! If you don't believe me, read Exodus 33:31-33; Deuteronomy 24:16; Ezekiel 18:3-4. But YHWH's demands can be met by you, if only you will know the truth. You can come to YHWH on your own! Read YHWH's word! "With what offering can I come before YHWH, and bow myself before the Mighty One on high? Should I come to him with burnt offerings, with year-old calves? Will YHWH be pleased by thousands of rams, with ten thousand rivers of oil? Should I give my first-born for my transgression (human sacrifice, like the crucifixion!), the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? It has been told you, O man, what is good, and what YHWH (not religious doctrine but YHWH!) requires of you: ONLY to DO what is just (YHWH's COMMANDMENTS) and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your Almighty!" (Micah 6:6-8).
Hallelu-Yahh, praise YHWH! His Salvation is open to all! No believing in fairy-stories, no bloody crucifixions! No "divine suicide" on a Roman Cross! Plain and simple is the Way of YHWH! Will you take Him at His Word today?
Circumcise your heart, soften your neck and remove the JC scales from your eyes. To accomplish this in a convenient manner, read at leisure through faithstrengthened.karaitejudaism.org/FS_TOC.html
Alll prophets prayed like Muslims pray now, including Moses and Jesus, Jews stopped praying long ago, during Muslim rule they lived among Muslims in Muslim countries, that's why Egyptian and other Arab Jews, call God Allah and Jews like you learned to pray from Muslims, it's not other way around, you hate Muslims that's why you don't even want to acknowledge your forefather's Arabic names..
Your morbid religion is 90% Judaism copied and 10% Christinsanity copied, mixed and twisted to match the craziness of Arabs.
ZviJ1 on this video, with your own admission, 90 percent of Judaism is false, made up by your Rabbis through the centuries by fabricating Talmud and Mishna, and only 10 percent of Christianity is correct even you Jews know that, then why any one wants to copy such corrupt religions, Quran corrects your mistakes and rebukes your Rabbis and preacher for adding, deleting and tampering with Torah, .read Quran and find out for yoursel, i'm glad that some of you're realizing it and going back to true message of God, I do admire your courage, like Quran says, anyone who believes in one God and Day of Judgment and do good deeds will have their reward with Lord, there's only one way to achieve peace on earth is to Be Mindful of God. peace!!
@@4peace520 that doesn't take away from the fact that Muslims copied Jews and Christians. The prophets prayed like the Israelites. Mohammed was a false prophet
@@scm98 By arguing we hate Muslims he was projecting. Someone who lies from the outset like he did (e.g. that Jews learned to pray from Muslims) and spouts the usual Muslim revisionism (rewriting of history) does not deserve a nuanced and respectful rebuttal.
(3:25) it's not Judaism.
I HAD A 24 KARAITE WATCH ONCE.
Oy! I don't believe you went there! Jew gotta be kidding me!
Jesus is lord
Since you believe that all your sins have been "forgiven" because you believe J. Christ "the savior" died for and instead of you, you are in real trouble!
Please don't kid yourself. Not only are you still sin-laden, you have added a new, terrible sin to the old batch! You are guilty of idolatry for worshiping a false "savior" and god. The word of YHWH plainly states that He (YHWH) alone is Savior; (Isaiah 43:11). He alone can forgive sin (Isaiah 43:25). He alone is the True Deity (Isaiah 43:10)!!
Moreover, you cannot "believe away" sin! Magic plays absolutely no role in the system of sin and atonement established by YHWH, the sole Creator of this universe and pure God of Israel. Atonement by "faith" is not part of YHWH's setup. The only way a sinner can get his sins forgiven is by repenting and; by doing and fulfilling what YHWH wants him to do!! YHWH says: "Again, when I say to the wicked, you shall surely die; if he turn from his sin (repents) and do that which lawful and right ("good works")... he shall surely live, he shall NOT die!! NONE of his sins which he had committed shall be remembered against him! He has done that which is lawful and right! He shall surely LIVE!" (Ezekiel 33:14-16).
Ezekiel was a prophet of YHWH. He wasn't a Christian preacher!
In Moses' day, the repentant sinner usually (NOT ALWAYS) offered an animal sacrifice to symbolize his "giving" and YHWH's "accepting".
Later prophets elaborated on how animal sacrifices are worthless without obedience:
"Behold, to OBEY is BETTER than sacrifice!" (1 Samuel 15:22). "Do I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?" (Psalms 50:13).
"By practicing mercy and truth is sin atoned for!" (Proverbs 16:6).
HOW can you come to YHWH? YHWH provides the answer: "Return, O Israel, to YHWH your almighty, for you have stumbled in your iniquity! Take with you WORDS and return to YHWH! (WHAT words?) Say to Him: forgive all iniquity and accept GOODNESS (good works). Thus, will we offer, INSTEAD of bullocks (blood) the offerings of our LIPS!" (Hosea 14:2-3).
According to the word of YHWH, NO ONE can die for you! If you don't believe me, read Exodus 33:31-33; Deuteronomy 24:16; Ezekiel 18:3-4. But YHWH's demands can be met by you, if only you will know the truth. You can come to YHWH on your own! Read YHWH's word! "With what offering can I come before YHWH, and bow myself before the Mighty One on high? Should I come to him with burnt offerings, with year-old calves? Will YHWH be pleased by thousands of rams, with ten thousand rivers of oil? Should I give my first-born for my transgression (human sacrifice, like the crucifixion!), the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? It has been told you, O man, what is good, and what YHWH (not religious doctrine but YHWH!) requires of you: ONLY to DO what is just (YHWH's COMMANDMENTS) and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your Almighty!" (Micah 6:6-8).
Hallelu-Yahh, praise YHWH! His Salvation is open to all! No believing in fairy-stories, no bloody crucifixions! No "divine suicide" on a Roman Cross! Plain and simple is the Way of YHWH! Will you take Him at His Word today?
Circumcise your heart, loosen your stiff neck and remove the JC scales from your eyes.
Read at leisure with an open mind through faithstrengthened.karaitejudaism.org/FS_TOC.html
Nazi Germany did not persecute the Karaites.
You are confusing the Karaites in the Baltics and Poland (turkic people)
and the Karaites in Egypt and North Africa (Jewish Hebrew origin). This video is about the later ones
@@deppo_zweifler9029 What causes you to make this claim?
Oy vey shalom
Taste of Karaite in 30 seconds or less: You believe you can pass the final exam with only the "written" syllabus, whilst ignoring the "oral" lecture by the professor. Good luck with that.
Those who have thumbed up and will thumb up your balderdash are equally dumbfucked as you are.
😂😂😂 imagine comparing the torah to a syllabus
I think the Karaite makes the most sense in Judaism,oral law and Talmud make no sense.
But at the end of the day, Jesus is Lord.
This is nonsense.
Karaites are Turks.
No, the karaim/Qarajm are turks
@@zaggy3110 they are the same. Just different pronunciations. Crimea is another related word. Their origins are from Turkic speaking Asian tribes.
@@serkanbeyaz57
There were Karaites in Egypt, now they live in Israel, and one community in California and they all are not Turks.
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@@serkanbeyaz57Rubbish..... lol
Shawn is full of baloney. Karaites have no "Tradition", that parallels the "Rabbinic" Tradition. The practice of Karaism which deviated from Judaism was invented by Anan ben David in the 8th Century. He was the disgruntled eldest son of the head of the Babylonian Jewish community whose father rejected him and appointed his younger brother to take his place. so he made up his own religion. Supposedly it was based on the literal Written Bible and rejects the Oral Torah. But this too is false. Anan ben David selectively rejected many interpretations of Jewish Law as recorded in the Talmud, but he also accepted some of them.
He is also wrong about the fat used on shwarma. It is not the fat of the tail; real Judaism doesn't use that fat. Most shwarma nowadays is actually turkey meat, with fat on top to give it flavor. The fat is from butcher trimmings of fat from the forequarter of a lamb, not the tail.
The bottom line: Judaism is a Tradition carried on directly from Moses, the greatest prophet, to today. Karaism is a religion invented by a man who wasn't even a scholar, certainly not a prophet. It has about as much validity as Scientology, also invented by a man in recent times, who was not a religious authority at all, and who likewise was not motivated by devotion to God.
The problem with claims by Ortho's is that they are too long on half-truths, distortions, innuendo and outright lies.
While `Anan b. Dawid surely did not base himself completely on the true Torah of Moshe, virtually all credible scholars consider his movement, Ananism, a separate one from Qaraite Judaism, despite how Qaraites embraced him as if he were one of theirs and indeed the founder of their movement (this erroneous notion is still popular among the traditional Qaraite Jews). This was deduced not only from the fact Medieval sources kept on distinguishing the Ananites from the Qaraites through the 10th century, but also from the fact `Anan's exegetical method was far more similar to the Rabbinic\Talmudic system than to Peshat.
Secondly, there is no Abbasid record of `Anan ben Dawid having been imprisoned, even though the Abbasids were meticulous in recording all matters brought before the Calif and who was imprisoned. The myth not only does not show up until the 10th (possibly the 12th according to Nemoy) century, it also has two different versions: one which said that ‘Anan had a brother name Ḥananyah who succeeded the Exilarch Shelomo ben-Ḥisdai, while in the other it says the brother’s name was Yoshiyah. However, both are fiction and bear no relationship with historical fact, since Shelomo ben-Ḥisdai was succeeded by Yiṣḥaq Iskawi I, who was succeeded by Yehudah Zakkai. There never was an Exilarch named Ḥananyah or Yoshiyah.
The myth also claims that ‘Anan’s father was Shafaṭ and that he was only called ben-Dawid as a allusion to his Davidic descent. However, ‘Anan’s father was Dawid ben-Yehudah ben-Ḥisdai ben-Bustenai.
‘Anan ben-Shafaṭ disputed with the Exilarch Rav Huna II in the third century (Rav Huna II was Exilarch from 240 to 260), while the alleged imprisonment was supposed to have occurred in 769.
The 10th/12th century myth records what it claims was a secret conversation between ‘Anan and the Muslim scholar Abu Ḥanifa an-Nu‘man ibn Tabit (ignoring the fact that Abu Ḥanifa died in 767, two years before ‘Anan’s alleged imprisonment) in which the Muslim convinces ‘Anan to say that he was not the head of the Jews but of a different religion. If there was such a secret conversation, how could the author of the myth be privy to what was said?
None of the Rabbanite opponents of ‘Anan during his lifetime or that of his son or his grandson or great-grandson mention a dispute of the Exilarchate with a brother or him being imprisoned. If the things in the 10th/12th century myth were true, why is it that none of the opponents of ‘Anan or the Karaites mention it until the 10th/12th century?
The Rabbanite Ga’on Naṭronai lived less than 90 years after ‘Anan, yet makes no mention of the alleged dispute over the office or imprisonment.
Leon Nemoy in his “Karaite Anthology”, p. 6-7 says that Naṭronai tells us nothing “about the contest for the office of the exilarch which allegedly served as the immediate cause of his apostasy. It seems reasonable to assume that Naṭronai’s silence signifies that he knew nothing about it, for it would have been to his advantage, had he knowledge of `Anan’s disqualification for the high office, to set it forth in detail in order to demonstrate the more convincingly, from his own point of view, `Anan’s unworthy and ungodly motives. Moreover, Naṭronai lived in the very center of the scene of `Anan’s activity and belonged to the higher strata of Rabbanite society, where the alleged particulars of `Anan’s secession should have been known best, had they been true.”
Someone who lived less than 90 years after ‘Anan would also know that the Exilarch Shelomo ben-Ḥisadai was succeeded by Yiṣḥaq Iskawi and he by Yehudah ben-Zakkai and that there was no Exilarch named Ḥananyah or Yoshiyah. Only someone from a much later time period could confuse the 3rd century ‘Anan ben-Shafaṭ and Rava Huna I with the 8th century ‘Anan ben-Dawid and a fictitious brother named Ḥananyah.
Sorry to disappoint, but Qaraite Jews do have tradition that parallels Rabbinic tradition, and in the majority of establishments where Shawarma is sold, the fatty tails of sheep are still used on it. If you differ with this you are proving your own ignorance. And of course real Judaism does not use this fat other than in the sacrificial offerings, since the Torah forbade Israelites to consume it. Yet severely contorted Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism, does approve of Jews consuming this type of fat, but it only introduced this laxity centuries after the AD 70 Destruction.
Moshe Nevi'enu and Rabbenu would barely recognize the latest contortion of Israel's pure biblical religion by rabbis that is known as Orthodox Judaism. However, it is safe to assume he would feel slightly more at ease about Qaraite Judaism, which at least in many aspects is much closer to the actual Torah and Nakh than Orthodoxy. Moshe b. `Amram would certainly reject any Rabbinic claims that the rabbis throughout the generations represent authentic or original Judaism.
I have already debunked your refuted drivel whereby Qaraite Judaism is a separate religion invented by `Anan b. Dawid. You should deindoctrinate yourself of this tripe, ditch the Rabbinic propaganda and diversify your sources to enable yourself to read up on the history of Judaism beyond the Rabbinic narrative in order to get much closer to the actual facts