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Learning 1: Why Karaites Don't Use Tefillin and Mezuzot
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- On May 4, 2017, I held an online class on tefillin and mezuzot for attendees throughout the world. The class look at Biblical, Rabbanite and Karaite sources - including some Karaite sources that have never been published before.
*Please note: At 16:44 I say that "everyone" ascribes ben Saruq to be a Rabbanite. In fact, I should have said "almost everyone" (and indeed the scholarly consensus is that he is a Rabbanite).
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In mainstream Islam we believe binding the zikr (remembrance) of Allaah to the head heart and hand as being mindful of Allaah and his commandments in worship and in our daily actions, speech and thoughts.
Sean the only thing that would have improved this presentation would be adding the Masoretic text so we could see the verses as you commented on them. So thanks for your efforts and we look forward to much more coming from you.
I will think about that for next time.
Hi friend please do a video on how Karaites treat patrilineal descent including situations where the child was raised in no religion or in another religion and whether they have to convert etc. Thank you.
Thank you for the teaching.
I am so grateful to have found you!💙🙏🇳🇮
I left the christian faith due to non biblical teachings and beliefs. I knew from the "Old Testament" that G-d is the ONE . After 6yrs of study I chose to convert a month ago BUT I saw the same making up of stuff other than G-ds word. ?!?!?!
I like your explanations thank you
Excellent, very informative!
44:30 The word “soul” forces keshurah to be metaphorical.
God says he will speak in Parables from the beginning of creation I think the whole Torah is prabales I will give some exemples :
The blue is the signe dress for priests it also means holy spirit thats the color meaning for it in hebrew so God wishes us to mix priesthood with our normal ego dress(not clothes) everytime we pray, the fringes are the fringes we put into horses to conduct themselves and for humans it is sekhinah without it there is no self control
forexmple what if meant by: between the eyes is a book we read and what is a sign on the hands is a book
at the times of Moses there were no books only scrolls and tablets and no pockets only turbans so they wraped the scrolls in the hands to read and put them on the turban afterwards that is NOT to be taken as a litteral obligation
Thank you Ken for rejecting this man so that we could see this 🤣🙏
I have an increasing interest in sofer/scribal arts. In the Rabbinic tradition a sofer must study the talmud for the ritual rules for approaching the task properly. I'm now rejecting Rabbinic traditions and wish to affiliate with Karaite and on a steep re-learning curve. Can you inform us about how sacred scrolls are written and how both the style and the process differs from Rabbinic sources? (Also - I am a woman and wish to know if both women and men are allowed to participate in this skill.)
I don't know much about this facet of Qaraite law. But I'm certain that women are allowed to partake in it when they are ritually pure, not during their monthly periods.
I also know that the scripts employed in Rabbinic traditions aren't mandatory. there is a little more room for variety.
Also, Karaites believe in the resurrection of the dead? Thanks!
Points well made. Going an extra mile is good. (My personal viewpoint.)
Wouldn’t it be better to use the Torah as source rather than ketuvim - proverbs??
I believe that Tefillin are de-rabbanan (from the rabbis), and wearing Tzitzit is what physically represents tying the Torah to one's hands (actions) and head (thoughts). However, you spoke very briefly about mezuzot. Even if one doesn't agree with the way the rabbis interpret the commandment, I see no reason to reject its literal meaning. Our doors have numbers attached to them that identify our house address. Why not attach to our doorposts the words we're explicitly told to repeat, teach and put in our hearts, "shemá Yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai echad ve'ahavta et Adonai elohecha bechol levavcha u'vechol nafshecha u'vechol meodecha" to identify one's home as well? In my opinion, something similar to this would cover the peshat. ruclips.net/user/shortsucHf904bdQk
At 22:10 for Deuteronomy 6:8 I wear a ring or a little bracelet that has some commandments on them.
How does the Karaite movement address the historical reality that all Second Temple sects of Judaism wore tefillin? Doesn't a historical precedent around which there was a strong consensus play a role in determining what the mitzvah means?
< LMFAO > What consensus, an Orthodox one (because I'm unaware of any other one)? This "historic reality" is a patheic, laughable revisionist Rabbinical lie that is refuted by the independent Second Temple Jewish sources (notwithstanding the lie by the "Aristeas Letter"), so the Qaraite movement doesn't have to worry about it.
Thanks for this video! Can you do one specifically on Tzitzit? The questions at the end lend themselves to more exploration from a Karaite perspective.
What in particular do you want to learn about? (Sisiyot is a broad topic.)
True it is broad. I guess a further discussion of the Karaite tradition(s), whether or not it's important to wear them given lack of four-cornered garments, that kind of thing. Sorry that's not more specific it just seems like an important issue. Thanks.
The 4 cornered garment isn't important, the tzits are... For all the children of Israel, not only the men. You can buy 4 cornered clothing from Jewish stores with pure white tzits, add a blue thread, the shade of blue doesn't matter. Order tzitzits online, you can get them premade with blue thread, hook them to your belt buckles.
@Danny D
Christians and Messianic "Jews" may do whatever they wish. But if one is Jewish or in the process of conversion to Judaism, they may purchase cords from online dealers but not premade Ṣiṣiyot produced by them, since they are gentiles who have probably blessed their idol and devoted their work to it, AND the Torah commands the Children of Israel to make the Ṣiṣiyot for themselves. Additionally, the Torah's commandment *does* refer only to garments with four corners (though a few argue at least 4 corners), so hooking Ṣiṣiyot on belts does not square with the Text's straightforward meaning.
If one is converting through the Qaraite movement, they cannot settle for adding blue-violet threads to white Rabbinic Ṣiṣiyot, since a Ṣiṣit must be braided and have a clear apperance of a chain, which is not the case with the Rabbinic ones, which are made by knotting.
All of my garments do not have actual corners, as a women, my skirts are round. Any input as to what to do about roundness and where to put them? I get that the actual meaning of doing this is that it's a reminder to keep Torah.
Look at the seam of ur skirt and pin them on the side of each seam and use short sisitoys
👍 interesting and inspiring. But from where is written kippa? Why do jews put on ?
You are not Jewish? Perhaps a Messianic "Jew"?
Hi, How old is Karaite Judaism? I think the word Qari and Karaite (קראית) are similar. They both mean "reader". Look at the link below
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q%C4%81ri%CA%BE
Tx 1985 the Saadia Gaon argued with them.They started in Babylon Persia and some in Lithuania later. They followed the Sadducees ideas to reject Talmud and rabbi.
Ben Anon
@T 1985- They most probably started off in AD 800. And ignore the offensive loser who insists they were founded by `Anan b. Dawid, which impartial scholarship has refuted.
Pretty sure it was etymology of those who read the bible.. 🤷🏻♀️
Why are you referring to the septuagint though??
The 4 would be the spiritual. During the forty years of travel around Saudi Arabia. They who were over 20 years needed to trust YHVH and die. Every knows the physical except the gift of the 4th direction to contact the spiritual. The path to the father.
Make a video on Kippah.
There is no literal commandment in the Tanakh to wear a head covering. HOWEVER, *some* Karaites interpret the fact that, as we are meant to be like the priests, we should cover our head as they did. As per the verse “you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation” - Exodus 19:6
If you say you are going to cover your head as the priests (The Kohanim and the Levites) did, you need to wear a turban commonly known amongst Jews today as the “Sudra”.
If you interpret Exodus 19:6’s reference of “priest” literally as a designated and distinct role, it would be referencing the royal attire worn by the Levites and the Kohanim. Therefore, as I stated, you would need to wear a turban/sudra.
However, if you interpret priest as figurative, you would NOT need to dress as the priests did. Again, there is no literal commandment in the Torah to keep your head covered.
The Kippah is just tradition. There is nothing wrong for a Karaite Jew to wear a Kippah of any sort and many such as myself do. Orthodox Rabbinic Jews constantly wear a Kippah as we here more liberal rabbinic Jews only wear Kippot in the synagogue or not at all.
@@Bojachi_VODs You're the king of understatement. Over 80% of the Qaraites believe one's head should be covered during worship. I've met many Qaraites in Israel on multiple occasions. It's *always* enforced in the Qaraite synagogues and I've worshipped in most of them already. Contrary to what you argue, it is not merely a tradition. This enforcement is what makes it a forbidden addition to the Torah and this is not something benign.
But that is where the problem just begins.... they don't terribly mind if females do not do so in religious functions and events outside of the synagogues and outright prayer, but insist that the males do so -- an inconsistent approach that drove me nuts.
Worse, they insist specifically on a Kippah for males at their Be'er-Sheva` synagogue, which is downright pathetic.
I've heard the term "Mitznefet" employed more than once by the traditional Qaraites for a "priestly" turban -- a word that figures in the Torah -- but not "Sudra".
First off, I am neither currently affiliated with Karaite, nor Rabbinite Judaism (suject to change, as יהוה guides my family & myself). I & my wife have spent the last 16 months pouring over several translations of the Tanakh and learning as much Hebrew as we can in order to improve on our ability to understand the scriptures; adopting Torah practices as we come to understand them, asguided by יהוה אלוהינו (NOT by any corruptible mortal [besides, unavoidably, ourselves]).
With that said, and hoping NOT to hear from any of the flaming trolls here... Regarding the Deuteronomical references, where would be the harm in wearing some form of hand/wrist jewelery inscribed with at least some portion of Torah?
Obviously, binding the entire Torah, in written form, to your hands would make most daily tasks nearly impossible (can't imagine washing my hair & trying my shoelaces with Torah scrolls tied to each hand), but (a) bracelet(s) or a (pair of) ring(s) with Ten Commandments or at least some reminder references to Torah passages should be no less intrusive than the tzitzit that all of us already agree are (in one form or another) quite literally intended to be worn. So why should we not all adopt some such practice regarding "Tefillin" and "Mezuzot?"
Because, in the bottom line, an exhaustive study of the Miqra leads to the conclusion that the "sign" and "frontlet" commandments are meant to be observed metaphorically or allegorically rather than literally. A literal application is not these commandments' intent, even if one never has to remove those rings and bracelets at any point of their lives.
ZviJ1 Good reply!
The issue being discussed is not about Tzitziyot, which both Karaites and Rabbinic Jews accept to be a literal commandment. The disagreement centers on whether or not the passage commanding Totafot is intended literally or as a metaphor. The PESHAT is the simple meaning of the text, but can be either literal or metaphorical, depending upon the context. There is not any command to write words from the Torah onto human flesh, and tattoos are forbidden in another portion of the Torah.
@@ZviJ1do you also believe that psalm 23 basically explains how there should be no scripture taken at face value?! I feel like if God didn’t tell you the scriptures are correct, you should not blindly follow them.. God > man
ok stay as you are. Korath also started a new fringe movement ask him for advice. At least u r not messianic. No insult intended to you Sorry Shalom
I do not know who Korath is, but snotty losers like you and your ilk are the best embodiment of Qoraḥ and his congregation.
If you ridicule Rabbi Wein you are way off base man....never mind.
I ridicule you too. His biased history is revisionism, but at least he seems to have a life and does not spend time insulting others like the total loser that you are. You're no better than the worst antisemitic Muslim or Christinsane piece of s**t.
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Do karaites kiss their "mezuzot"?
Some of those who were strongly influenced by Orthodoxy do. For example, in 2007 I saw someone named Nati Morad kissing a Qaraite "Mezuza" in the Jerusalemite compound.
My artscroll orthodox hebrew Tanakh matches the DSS 100%...?!
No it doesn't, you nincompoop. What kind of strawman argument is this?
Verify instead of making insults
Childish are you a 12yo? How do you read the DSS without vowels? Nikkudot vowels rules and traditions come from Mishna and shas. LXX is not from 70 rabbis who originally translated hebrew into greek. The orginal was only first five books of Torah not the balance of Tanak. Other unknown sources such as Samaritans and Greeks (enemies of Jewish people) came up with the Lxx much later. No one has the original translation. You guys are coming up with "alter history" . watch Tenak Talk and rabbi Berel Wein history to learn from Jewish sources not you tube quack messianics.
@mitzvah golem, I already verified; but it's not like you will allow the facts to confound you. If you are not some adolescent, why have you barged in here lobbing insults and offensive comments one expects from juveniles?
Most Hebrew readers can read the DSS without vowels and this owes nothing to your "oral" torah.
The Tiberian Niqqid comes from the Qaraite Ben-Asher family of Masoretes. Unlearn your brainwashing that it traces to the Mishna and other works that supposedly (according to many Ortho's) comprise your "oral" torah. I did not need someone like you to learn many years ago that the LXX is not from the Jewish priestly pre-Pharisaic Jewish Sages (Ḥakhamim), who originally authored the original translation of the ("written") Torah alone to Greek in Alexandria around 270 BCE, when nobody even dreamed yet of the Pharisees and their spiritual offspring, the rabbis.
FWIW, no scholar is sure who originally translated the NAKH to Greek thus creating the LXX. Stop making up garbage based on nothing more than conjecture if you wish to appear remotely credible.
You and your beloved unreliable, slanted Berel Wine Orthodox apologist are much closer to the quaky-ness of the Messyantic "Jews"
You take the proverbial cake for Ḥuṣpa in hurling insults and at some point turning around to take me to task for hurling abuse at you... if *I* were the uploader I would ban you and delete all your offensive comments.
Ah.. and your use of another account as some alter ego so as to somehow appear less deranged and more civil fools nobody.
JPS > Artscroll.
many do sleep eat live in Sukkoth regardless of weather. Also matzos are subject to many various minhag and shmorah matzos for Pesach 18minute rule for water strick. Ich Nacht verstanden das interlassen ist kraken kopft. Oy vey.
Many more Rabbanites do not eat, sleep and pray in their Sukkot regardless of weather conditions.
The 18 minute "rule" is unfounded *post*-Halakhic baloney, you wicked imbecile.
99% and 3500 years of Orthodox Judaism backs up Mitzvah Golem.
Even the Rishonim, the Ge'onim, Savora'im, Amora'im and Tana'im would disapprove of Orthodox Judaism. According to Halakha your Maṣot (Matza) MUST be soft and you MUST sleep in the Sukkah, weather permitting.
So even actual Halakha disproves malevolent clowns like you, who are long on offending other Jews but quite short on Limud..
Orthodox Judaism is what mainstream Rabbinic Judaism morphed into at the turn of the 19th century in response to the advent of Reform Judaism. Apparently you're an avid student of Goebbles.
Why you insult others? Which "Masoretic text" do you use? Art scroll Tanakh Hebrew English is the golden standard.
Also are you aware that the original Septuagint which 72 rabbi s translated from Hebrew to Greek was only the first five books being the Torah not the balance of the Tanakh? No one has the original copy... The LXX you seem to rely on was put together by unknown sources using fragments of koine Greek and Syriac Aramaic Latin....
No religious Jew would ever rely or refer to such a scripture period. Only Christians and secular students use this corrupted text.
I learned that when people curse others its often because they lack the ability to counter the argument being put forth . In Yeshiva it is encouraged we debate but in a friendly respectful way for the sake of heaven....the founders of Sadducee s Kararites Reform etc ignore this advice from the Talmud.
Enjoy history lessons and verify all.
Tenak Talk is also a good channel as Chabad.org.
שלום
The hebrew Tanakh we use matches dead sea scrolls from 300bce. This is the masoretic text .
I wish this were the entire reality... Much of the texts of Miqra in the DSS's do not match the MT but some other so-called "textual witnesses" e.g. the Samaritan Torah and the Greek LXX.
mitzvah golem My Artscroll Tenak matches Dead sea scrolls 99%. Alot of nonsense. Another reform group many of which are not even Jewish .
ZviJ1. The Tenak we use matches DSS 99%. The LXx and Septuagint is not from the original 72 rabbi s who translated hebrew to koine greek since they only translated 5 books of Torah not the entire Tenak. The Samaritans like the Sadducees are the arch enemies of the Jewish people. Many non jews do not know this. Watch Rabbi Berel Wein history of the Jewish people. Shalom
@motorhead Stop pretending you are someone apart from the deranged "mitzvah golem", who is too disgruntled to be content with living happily as an Ortho and feels the need to stage provocations against and hurl abuse toward non-Rabbinic Jews.
99% is relative; other Jews, even erudite Orthodox ones, would claim 90% or less. Stop spamming through copy n' paste your comment over and over again below every single freaking comment made by someone else. This betrays your immature lack of confidence and you project onto others when you charge them with being insecure.
Lol this is funny. If Torah she bal peh is invalid how is it that all Tefillin in all communities spread all over the world remained same shape did material etc for thousands of years with no communication no phone, Facebook etc? Also, there is command by Hashem to follow majority rulings for halacha and to disregard is heretical.
Karite is like getting syllabus for a class and not attending lecture and only using syllabus to study for mid term and final since it is "written". So the professor lecture is invalid and not needed to pass final exam according to karites. You guys twist into pretzels trying to figure out how to pass the class. Yeah, good luck with that.😉
H B God never gave any commandment to follow the majority. In fact in Exodus 23:2 he commands the opposite. Do the right thing even if you’re the only one doing it.
A sign on your hand and a reminder between your eyes means that Gods laws should guide your actions and your decisions. Written on the doorposts of your house and gateways means God’s laws should be the law of your house and place of business. Act in private the way you would in public. Do the right thing even if no one is watching, cause God is watching.
If you think these verses are about tefillin and mezuzot, you missed the point. Just like the haredim missed the point, who wear tefillin, have mezuzot on their doors, but molest children, cheat in business, and launder drug money through their yeshiva.
Tefillin were not all the same. Search conical tefillin.
Halacha and Torah She’B’Al Peh is something the rabbis invented to control you.
The only things I find funny are your ignorance and how demented you are.
A uniform shape for Tefillin only began in the 12th century. And down to this very day there are two versions on how to arrange their content (Rashi & Rabbainu Tam).
Until the 2nd century, at least, some Tefillin contained a fifth Parasha (portion) -- the Shema`.
Everything I have claimed is based on solid archaeological evidence.
How does it feel to have your a** handed to you, "H B"?
Actually there are many different opinions on how to wear Tefililan. Rabbi Schiennberg use to wear many Tefillian to satisfy all opinions. The Totah gives explanation of the Temple why not for Tefilian. Likely becaue it wasn't meant literally and if this was true you would have to wear it all day not just an hour each day. The whole purpose of the torah was meant that the ideas should be in your mind at all times. Of course Tefillian does the opposite. It turns Judaism into a sect.
Neither the Samarim nor the Beta Isroel, both ancient communities, wear tefillin at all.
Karaites believs in Haeven an Hell.....sorry!Haeven and Hell after death are not part of the Hebrew Bible......only in oral tradition#
This is not quite an accurate way to describe it. They certainly do not believe in the Christian concept of heaven and hell. I would say they pay lip service to the concept of Geheinom.
@@ZviJ1
But they do accept the Rabbinical tradition of heaven and hell.
You can't reject the Oral Torah....and belive in hell.
According to the Torah you have only one place to evil and righteous people.....Sheol.
@עמיחי אלימלך Do you have proof they have accepted the Rabbinical tradition of heaven and hell? If not, you are slandering.
It is possible to accept the Rabbinic version of Geheinom and reject the "oral" torah. If you knew how logic works you'd acknowledge this.
@@ZviJ1
What is Get crithus(גט כריתות)?according to Torah how man and woman becoming a husband and wife?it is ok to have sex with the wife on Sabath?what kind of melachos(מלאכות)are forbiden in Sabath?
Judaism speaks of hell similarly like Hinduism, but Rabbinism and especially modern day claims makes this unknown to most.. Real Jews believe in Hell and they believe this is Hell, similarly like Hinduists believe Samsara is Hell.. if you don’t believe this life is Hell, you have not paid attention.
Very childish response shows your lack of confidence.
How would you be able to properly read the DSS or the sefer Torah scrolls or original Tanakh without nikkudot vowels a tradition from Talmud?
Its ok keep studying scriptures from the LXx...or KJV. Lol
None of this discussion was about vowel markings, or NIQUD. I have used that same argument on previous occasions. But the Karaites - are they not the same Egyptian Jews who guarded the volume that we now call KETER SHEM TOV and which contains the MASORAH of how to read the Torah? This book had been kept in Aleppo, Syria, for many centuries, but its origin is not Syria itself. Do some research on who it was that preserved the NIQUD before jumping to conclusions. Leave me a response when you find the answer. I heard that it was a family of Egyptian Karaites.
As a rabbinic Jew, I will continue to wear Tefillin. But I want to hear the best arguments presented that are possible in regard to the Torah and its observance.
There's is no such tradition in the Talmud, or you could cite it chapter+verse, dummy.
Geesh.... our poor ancient Israelite forebears could not read even any of the non-sacred Hebrew documents in their age, which were written in the same kind of Hebrew as the actual Torah, because the Talmud had not existed yet! (This is in sarcasm.)
Obviously, they could read without vowels, just as modern day Jews can read books and newspapers without vowels.
The tradition of properly reading the Miqra precedes the advent of the Pharisees, and ultimately was ensured by the non-Rabbinic Tiberian Ben-Asher Masoretes.
Orthodox dumbass.
Funny Ben Annon invented your movement because of a political argument just as Sadducees did.
Later you both developed your own oral tradition.
Also no Jew Kairarite or Orthodox ever ever refers to the lxx or Christian scriptures .You are a messianic Christian?
Vilna Gaon and Rambam and Rashi came hundreds of years before Reform. Obviously you are not educated in any way . Even Secular history is aware of this fact. Lehitrot Nudnik
Who are you addressing? The Pharisaic movement from which Rabbinic Judaism would come forth was the first Reform movement in Jewish history, leading the people astray from the pure Scriptural Judaism that was uncontested until the 4th decade of the 2nd century BCE.. This is certainly established also by secular history.
ZviJ1 Hey! I am very interested in Karaites! Can you tell us where the wearing of Kippas originated, in both Karaites tradition and among Talmudic Jews?
Headcovering was basically borrowed by Talmudic rabbis from Babylonians.
The Qaraite Jews resorted from their outset to headcovering during worship, with their reasoning that the worshipers are akin to the priests who ministered in the Tabernacle and Holy Temples, because the priests were performing the twice-daily regular sheep offerings that regular daily prayer substitutes for, in Qaraite reasoning.