I was about to mention that. For those who don’t know, It’s easier (and very common) for game developers to have assets loaded but hidden outside of the player's view and warp it in when it’s required. Trying to place a model out of nowhere on command can be a little... messy to say the least.
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I've had both. Dreams about getting out of the exact bed in the exact room where I sleep irl. And dreams where I go to sleep in a bed... within the dream.
Sun/Moon is LITERALLY Killer Queen: Bites the Dust. Small boy tries to avoid a grown man, but every time he tries he just wakes up at home, and the same things happen.
Other pokemon games : oke you leave without a pokemon but...meh small glitches. Sun and Moon : *KILLER QUEEN, DAI SAN NO BAKUDAN, B I T E Z A D U S T O !!*
Or parental supervision? Honestly, it's weirder to let a 10 year old travel around the county on their own to do fantasy dog fights with their fire breathing pets than to not let them wander off alone until they are 10.
Bianca's a table, all of her dialogue is coming from the present box, and another present box just decides to walk through the door Apparently the drug problem in Unova was worse than I thought
Litten: ........... WHY... AM ..... I ...... IN THE VOID POKETIPS Popplio: Its.... like water right? Just black water. Rowlet: Huh....? I WAS SLEEPING IN ASH'S BAG AN HOUR AGO WHY DID YOU NOT WAKE ME? Litten: YOU IDIOT Popplio: You looked comfy... Rowlet: NOW WHOS THE IDIOT 2 evolutions later...... why am i even..... Incineroar: Are you still sleeping Decidueye ( excuse my spelling if its incorrect ) Decidueye: Wha.... ARE WE STILL IN THE VOID?
I’ve got a guess on why the starter Pokémon are outside your character’s house in the void. I assume it’s something similar the first two Paper Mario games, where objects are stored in the void so they can be loaded in during a cutscene. This probably means the Pokémon are probably stored there so the game can load the Pokémon you chose in order to play the cutscene where you take it to see your mom and Meowth.
I remember that. I also remember how poorly optimized this system was considering they used over a hundred Lillie models instead of 2 and some face textures; not that it's bad, is that it was used poorly.
Bad example because shiny bulbasaurs aren’t cursed nor do they not exist now don’t woooosh me you idiot because I get the joke so incase of an incoming woooosh r/ihaveredit
i think an interesting thing to try (in a single game or all of them!) is, if you leave town without choosing a starter and trigger a rival battle event, what starter would they have? since their starter depends on which one you picked! i've experimented a lot with dppt glitches but never thought to try this... for example, leaving town in pokemon heartgold/soulsilver (and possibly catching a regular pokemon or using a code to generate a random pokemon in the pc box), then passing over the tiles in cherrygrove city that trigger the rival battle with silver. if you have a normal pokemon in your party, i'd assume the battle would load correctly, but i wonder what starter he'd be given!
I know this comment is two years old, but I have an answer for this, at least for Gold/Silver: he takes the middle Pokémon. You don’t get to see it in battle since those games won’t let you get into a battle at all, like Pokétips covered in Part 2, but when you go back to see Elm, only the middle Pokéball is missing.
Storm Strike46 I just tried that and it does the Hall of Fame like normal. Just goes directly to the Pokédex rating instead of showing your team. The credits go as normal and the postgame proceeds.
4:16 I understand this. (I think) it keeps sprits loaded and puts them in the room when needed. If not, they are a few units away (I learned from paper MARIO)
If you're ever wondering why stuffs just in strange places like in sun and moon, they're kind of like placeholders. It's used to save on memory - lots of games do it so they don't have to spawn in new assets, they can just move them around instead when they're needed.
@Ruthik yadov are you serious?Gen 5 is probably the worst generation,at most black and white 2,these are good game.I know opinions are relatives but gen 5 have too many bad Pokémons to be considered good,even the story is just average pokemon story,sure N is an interesting characters but that’s it.
For me overall ORAS is the best (well duh, it’s my fav region) but in terms of story, gen 5 take the cake.... Also Vanilite always on my team! It’s so cute , what’s ppl matter?
If I recall correctly, I think you have your Starter meet Meowth when you bring it home. The Starters to the side are probably there to keep in memory so it can load the correct one into the cut scene.
*YES* this is what i have been waiting for! thank you! The best part was black and white, it was funny, but in part 2, pokemon diamond and pearl was the most funniest! (my opinion)
About the pokemon in the void in Sun/Moon At one point in the game, there's a short animated cutscene of sorts where your starter gets to met your mom's Meowth. A common thing for game devs to do is to store character models for a cutscene out of bounds in the actual scene so that when the cutscene comes up, they only have to move the model instead of instantiate a new one
The reason why the starter pokemon were there so when you choose your starter and when u head into the house you have a litlle cutscene with your starter and the game puts the starter you chose in the house instead of in the void
I'd say my favorites were Gen 4 (cause screwing with story flags is always fun) and Gen 7 (turning off random encounters before you have a Pokémon is pretty interesting).
I guess that in Alola the wild pokemon are so happy and courteous that they refuse to attack a weak little human kid that doesn't have a single pokemon protecting them.
I think I know what happened when you walked though walls in Sun and Moon. It’s mapping is a tad different, most likely because it’s a 3d game not a 2d game so the assets for the house where the only things loaded in because you didn’t leave the house the normal way so the map could load properly. That’s why everything is black. You can see the interior of the house as well as the bit of the outside you can see from your porch. The three starters are there for the future cutscene when you take your starter home and they interact with your mother and her Meowth. The starter models are stored out of bounds so that later they can just be teleported into the room when you begin the cutscene.
In pokemon sun and moon, the starter models are in the void because void is where the game stores models that are already loaded but not in use, such as the starters.
What professor juniper says: You aren’t planning to use a nickname? Well, that’s fine, too. What she means: You aren’t planning to use a nickname? That’s a shame.
Hey Mike, I’m super new to your channel but after checking out just one of your videos from my recommended I’ve been on a Poketips watching marathon! Your content is so high quality and genuine and I really enjoy all the work you put into your videos :) I’m definitely looking forward to each and every new video you upload!
the pokemons at 4:18 are used for the cutscene later on when you come home with your choosen pokemon they store them in the void to call them when the cutscene needs to play
I suspected that at some point there would be at least one game where no wild pokemon would appear. Actually I liked the reaction of the gen 1 games most.
Btw something weird happens in pokemon black and white If you go to the place next to the first gym and go the place underground aka were u encounter musharna u encounter a Pokemon name ------- that are around level 56 and it has struggle and it's kinda looks like this ( ? ) Its weirder with two ------ and surprisingly u can catch it
YAY PART 3!!! I Love ur videos POKETIPS :D And I'm so happy I have 2 level 100 Pokemon In Pokemon white [the same one in ur video :O] Altaria and Audino!! :] I also saw detective pikachu
The starters are likely in the void of any area when you see them outside of their Pokeballs in Sun and Moon. At your house, this would be for the cutscene in which your starter meets Meowth
6:50 I know why you send out a glitchy Bulbasaur Thing is that bulbasaur is the 1st pokedex entry and thus the game sends out the pokemon with the number of 1
The Sun/Moon starters are probably loaded in the void of the house so the game can just place them into the house cutscenes later, like when you return home and show it to your mom and Meowth. IDK for sure tho, might need to do a crossover with Boundary Break to figure it out.
Wow, its been almost a week since I've uploaded! Don't worry, I have lots of new videos coming this week! :)
Thanks for making such great content for us.
Yay more videos
You didn't battle know one in sun and moon
Also do you like your own videos because when I came it had 1 like but zero views
Black 2 White 2? ;(
The starters are near your house because of the “cutscene” that involves your starter and meowth
I was about to mention that.
For those who don’t know, It’s easier (and very common) for game developers to have assets loaded but hidden outside of the player's view and warp it in when it’s required. Trying to place a model out of nowhere on command can be a little... messy to say the least.
Eddiemate Good to know I wasn’t the only one who thought about this
Wait how did I get a heart?
I’M FAMOUS WOO
@@nameman9997, May I have your autograph?
1:02
“why is Bianca in the middle of a table?”
“WHY IS CHERI YELLING AT BIANCA?”
*_”WHY IS BIANCA A BOX?!”_*
Bianca isc
reality is often dissapointing. sometimes your friend yells at you becuase you clone your self and become a box.
Bianca:
Shapeshifter form of box
Cheren
He said cheri
Black screen= Pokémon black
White screen=Pokémon white
0.0
Black screens on both screens = Pokémon black 2
White screens on both screens = Pokémon white 2
Nani!?
*EVERYTHING IS LINKED*
Coincidence? I think not.
WOAH.
"I thought I left the house but apparently I'm back in my bed"
Me all the hecking time when I have those dreams about getting up
Lol
groundhog day
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I've had both. Dreams about getting out of the exact bed in the exact room where I sleep irl. And dreams where I go to sleep in a bed... within the dream.
Lmao i have dreams about getting up and going to school
and then i wake up and go to school, it's annoying
Leaving town without a pokemon is basically suicide
vAqeii Or you know, you can use your fists and your feet! xD
@@Laffey99
No matter what you do
You will never win a fist fight against an animal that is either psychic or breaths fire or sometimes both
@@embodimentofimperfection5694 Yeah, it only really works against weak Pokémon and if you face a Ghost type, you're screwed...
@@embodimentofimperfection5694 I think you can kick a pidgeon pretty safely
vAqeii Not in gold or silver
Pokémon games be like:
Red and blue: has no colour
Black and white: *has colour*
lol I just noticed that
HMMMMMMMMMM
*MY GOALS ARE BEYOND YOUR UNDERSTANDING*
Wait red and blue should have color cause the names have a color
What about shit brown and piss yellow
Sun/Moon is LITERALLY Killer Queen: Bites the Dust. Small boy tries to avoid a grown man, but every time he tries he just wakes up at home, and the same things happen.
Bites the dust is invincable!
hayato
Other pokemon games : oke you leave without a pokemon but...meh small glitches.
Sun and Moon : *KILLER QUEEN, DAI SAN NO BAKUDAN, B I T E Z A D U S T O !!*
@Stone O'Dell oh so your another uncultured 7 year old who understands nothing right
@@xensmk Chill the fuck out hes not uncultured for not worshipping jojo
“WHY IS BIANCA A BOX!?”
-PokéTips 2019
No offence if it isn't, but is that name ironic?
R . I . P Bianca 2012-2019
turned into a box
Bianca: *Ditto cry*
“Mom I had a weird dream. I woke up, but then I got dragged through the wall and saw 3 weird Pokémon, then I woke up.”
You can't leave town without a Pokémon...
You need to be 10 years old to have one...
wich means you are locked in a town for 10 years!
Or parental supervision? Honestly, it's weirder to let a 10 year old travel around the county on their own to do fantasy dog fights with their fire breathing pets than to not let them wander off alone until they are 10.
... oh i just realised that.
r/OOOOOF
@@alexparker5127 hahahaha
...
Bianca's a table, all of her dialogue is coming from the present box, and another present box just decides to walk through the door
Apparently the drug problem in Unova was worse than I thought
Oh god
Blame ghetsis
3:57
Popplio: Hello Poketips! :D
Litten: why are we in the void?
Rowlet: Help us!
Barry:please help me too,my best friend left me here and I don’t even know where am I now!
“Darkrai appears”
Litten: ........... WHY... AM ..... I ...... IN THE VOID POKETIPS
Popplio: Its.... like water right? Just black water.
Rowlet: Huh....? I WAS SLEEPING IN ASH'S BAG AN HOUR AGO WHY DID YOU NOT WAKE ME?
Litten: YOU IDIOT
Popplio: You looked comfy...
Rowlet: NOW WHOS THE IDIOT
2 evolutions later...... why am i even.....
Incineroar: Are you still sleeping Decidueye ( excuse my spelling if its incorrect )
Decidueye: Wha.... ARE WE STILL IN THE VOID?
@@zackarycombs5748 ok....
Help us!
I’ve got a guess on why the starter Pokémon are outside your character’s house in the void. I assume it’s something similar the first two Paper Mario games, where objects are stored in the void so they can be loaded in during a cutscene. This probably means the Pokémon are probably stored there so the game can load the Pokémon you chose in order to play the cutscene where you take it to see your mom and Meowth.
Big 🧠
I remember that. I also remember how poorly optimized this system was considering they used over a hundred Lillie models instead of 2 and some face textures; not that it's bad, is that it was used poorly.
I heard Doctor Strange Time Paradox.
Me: "Kukui, I've come to bargain."
ikr
What happen if you battle your Rival without (starter-)pokémon?🤔
Which pokémon will he have? 🤨
True, because they choose based on you
He chooses the grass type usually
@@toxicboineon1767 Actually they choose whichever starter has a type advantage against the one you chose.
@@edwardhamham2452 They choose the type advantage pokemon if you leave WITH a starter
Hmmm
2:02 "Is this a trainer?" No, that's Carmen Sandiego!
i thought the same thing too lmao
Ya
Omg so true
I’m glad I’m not the only person who thought of that 🤣
I mean, she has always been a great proponent of the "Gotta catch them all" motto.
Therapist: Shiny Bulbasaur isn't real. It can't hurt you.
Shiny Bulbasaur:
It literally can't the fight ends faster then ash's First tries becoming pokemon master
I Saw A Buff Mario Meme Like This On A Video Where Someone Animates A Speedrun Of SMB3
More like mega shiny level 999 bulbasaur
Bad example because shiny bulbasaurs aren’t cursed nor do they not exist
now don’t woooosh me you idiot because I get the joke so incase of an incoming woooosh r/ihaveredit
@Mike Alberts R/woooosh
E
ME
4:51 Killer Queen's third bomb, Bites The Dust, has been activated!
Daisan no Bakudan
BITES ZA DUSTO
*HAYATO* 🙃
@@lutherstein1928 Now we have it in English and Japanese! *Intense zoom in*
@@Leoraptor21 m.ruclips.net/video/IRKu_wymHDI/видео.html
Yare yare mawa
6:41 Top ten surprising anime character returns
i think an interesting thing to try (in a single game or all of them!) is, if you leave town without choosing a starter and trigger a rival battle event, what starter would they have? since their starter depends on which one you picked! i've experimented a lot with dppt glitches but never thought to try this...
for example, leaving town in pokemon heartgold/soulsilver (and possibly catching a regular pokemon or using a code to generate a random pokemon in the pc box), then passing over the tiles in cherrygrove city that trigger the rival battle with silver. if you have a normal pokemon in your party, i'd assume the battle would load correctly, but i wonder what starter he'd be given!
I know this comment is two years old, but I have an answer for this, at least for Gold/Silver: he takes the middle Pokémon. You don’t get to see it in battle since those games won’t let you get into a battle at all, like Pokétips covered in Part 2, but when you go back to see Elm, only the middle Pokéball is missing.
@@cookiesam321 I never thought about this
That's actually pretty fun
I think with most games it assumed you picked the first poke ball since it's the default value.
Poketips: Guess who’s coming out...? It’s Bianca and Cheren!
Me: *Confuse screaming*
Can you see what happens if you enter the hall of fame without any Pokémon in gold and silver
Storm Strike46
I just tried that and it does the Hall of Fame like normal. Just goes directly to the Pokédex rating instead of showing your team. The credits go as normal and the postgame proceeds.
4:59 this is dialga's doing
4:09 when you return home for the first time, there is a cutscene with the starter you choose while your mom says how cute they are.
4:16 I understand this. (I think) it keeps sprits loaded and puts them in the room when needed. If not, they are a few units away
(I learned from paper MARIO)
If you're ever wondering why stuffs just in strange places like in sun and moon, they're kind of like placeholders. It's used to save on memory - lots of games do it so they don't have to spawn in new assets, they can just move them around instead when they're needed.
*_every Pokémon game_* yEa SuRe
_looks at let's go Pikachu and eevee_
they're remakes, so they'll probably act the same as other gen 7 games.
Cries in galar champion
PokeTips:
Pokemon Black: *BLACK screen*
@Versaro easteregg lmao
Could you please make a video were you use the hacks to walk in unreachble areas?(like n castle in B2W2)
Pokémon black and white doesn’t need a error handler Pokémon because it’s the perfect game.
You right
@Ruthik yadov are you serious?Gen 5 is probably the worst generation,at most black and white 2,these are good game.I know opinions are relatives but gen 5 have too many bad Pokémons to be considered good,even the story is just average pokemon story,sure N is an interesting characters but that’s it.
For me overall ORAS is the best (well duh, it’s my fav region) but in terms of story, gen 5 take the cake.... Also Vanilite always on my team! It’s so cute , what’s ppl matter?
Gen 5 is amazing.
That's a weird way of spelling Diamond and Pearl
3:58 me when my foot slips at the top of stairs
You forgot to go heal your "pokemon" in B/W
1:50 "Pokétips sent out, Crash!"
---- Use Crash!
“Crash used Crash!”
“ *It’s super effective* ”
Thank You PokeTips. Thank you for suffering greatly for our entertainment. Very much appreciated.
Your content is great btw. PLEASE GET TO 200K!!!
If I recall correctly, I think you have your Starter meet Meowth when you bring it home. The Starters to the side are probably there to keep in memory so it can load the correct one into the cut scene.
this only got 3 likes when I found it, so I transformed the 3 into 4
I transfer the 8 into a 9. I said the same thing at the same time as you, so I don't know why I got almost 1k likes and you don't
Become champion with zero pkmn plz
that may actually be possible in Gold and Silver
All time stamps of poketips with confused screams
1:11 *Box Bianca*
Cc: whaaa- wh- wh- (small laugh) what's going on
3:57 Void starters
Cc: What- th- *WHAAA*
*YES* this is what i have been waiting for! thank you!
The best part was black and white, it was funny, but in part 2, pokemon diamond and pearl was the most funniest! (my opinion)
The most funniest
you don't use most before funniest (not bullying lol)
About the pokemon in the void in Sun/Moon
At one point in the game, there's a short animated cutscene of sorts where your starter gets to met your mom's Meowth. A common thing for game devs to do is to store character models for a cutscene out of bounds in the actual scene so that when the cutscene comes up, they only have to move the model instead of instantiate a new one
Black and White were missing something '-'
A white screen xD
3:40
(anti social people)
*door bell gets rung*
Ight, imma head out.
You have to do Pokémon Sword and Shield when it comes out!
Oo yas
“Glitchy looking Bulbasaur”
That’s a Shiny, man :v
MARABOTO03 ... i think he clearly meant the 999 lvl thing and the mega evolution
The reason why the starter pokemon were there so when you choose your starter and when u head into the house you have a litlle cutscene with your starter and the game puts the starter you chose in the house instead of in the void
People who are watching video on 2024
this video*
5:18 "Professor Kukui, I've come to bargain!"
The X and Y glitch bulbashar was clearly the best
I'd say my favorites were Gen 4 (cause screwing with story flags is always fun) and Gen 7 (turning off random encounters before you have a Pokémon is pretty interesting).
Outlaw Part 7 pardner or CJ is going to defeat you.
Part seven or CJ gets his shoes back.
How is nobody asking for you to go to the champion room and upload, heal, or whatever they do in that room
*I'm surpised*
the Universe isn't destroyed yet
I guess that in Alola the wild pokemon are so happy and courteous that they refuse to attack a weak little human kid that doesn't have a single pokemon protecting them.
Heh, more like Pokemon Black Screen am I right?
I'll show myself the door.
uskan Please..
Nadia Calderon DEKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Nadia Calderon no
Finally part 3 :D just love them
I think I know what happened when you walked though walls in Sun and Moon. It’s mapping is a tad different, most likely because it’s a 3d game not a 2d game so the assets for the house where the only things loaded in because you didn’t leave the house the normal way so the map could load properly. That’s why everything is black. You can see the interior of the house as well as the bit of the outside you can see from your porch. The three starters are there for the future cutscene when you take your starter home and they interact with your mother and her Meowth. The starter models are stored out of bounds so that later they can just be teleported into the room when you begin the cutscene.
In pokemon sun and moon, the starter models are in the void because void is where the game stores models that are already loaded but not in use, such as the starters.
This is like trying to beat Dark Souls without even logging in.
Isn’t not logging in still giving you a better chance of beating Dark Souls than actually playing?
I see u in every Poketips video i watch
What professor juniper says: You aren’t planning to use a nickname? Well, that’s fine, too.
What she means: You aren’t planning to use a nickname? That’s a shame.
If (hasPokemon == False)
blackScreen = True;
But where is the variable for BlackScreen
Teacher the test isn’t that confusing 1:01 The test
PokeTips
Do a Gold & Silver playthrough with no Pokémon
I think those starters are placed outside your house for when you talk to your mom after selecting one.
Hey Mike, I’m super new to your channel but after checking out just one of your videos from my recommended I’ve been on a Poketips watching marathon! Your content is so high quality and genuine and I really enjoy all the work you put into your videos :) I’m definitely looking forward to each and every new video you upload!
the pokemons at 4:18 are used for the cutscene later on when you come home with your choosen pokemon
they store them in the void to call them when the cutscene needs to play
I wish I could teleport to my bed when someone rings the door bell
Diamond and pearls one is a secret evolution to missingno.
I suspected that at some point there would be at least one game where no wild pokemon would appear.
Actually I liked the reaction of the gen 1 games most.
Yeah because you can choose who you want to battle or dodge a annoying one easily
The void starters in Sun and Moon are probably there so they can be brought in for the cutscene where you show your pokemon to your mom.
Shiny ultra godmode Bulbasaur was cool :D
Btw something weird happens in pokemon black and white
If you go to the place next to the first gym and go the place underground aka were u encounter musharna u encounter a Pokemon name ------- that are around level 56 and it has struggle and it's kinda looks like this
( ? )
Its weirder with two ------ and surprisingly u can catch it
YAY PART 3!!! I Love ur videos POKETIPS :D
And I'm so happy I have 2 level 100 Pokemon
In Pokemon white [the same one in ur video :O]
Altaria and Audino!! :]
I also saw detective pikachu
You should do "What if I add a starter pokemon to my collection before getting one?" or something like that
Why don't you try this in some well-made fan games? Or even somehow in demo versions?
4:29 probably for the cutscene for after you get a starter and go back home
1:07 Why is Bianca a box!?
The starters are likely in the void of any area when you see them outside of their Pokeballs in Sun and Moon. At your house, this would be for the cutscene in which your starter meets Meowth
Thank you! Do more of these “what happens videos!” I love you ❤️
6:50 I know why you send out a glitchy Bulbasaur
Thing is that bulbasaur is the 1st pokedex entry and thus the game sends out the pokemon with the number of 1
3:07
Me- Has flashback to Gen 4
7:34 G---Oh shit I forgot to get a Pokémon
As a parent who grew up in the mid/late 90s I find myself constantly telling my child not to go into long grass.
On Sun and Moon!
[KILLER QUEEN] DAISAN NO BAKUDAN, BITES ZA DUSTO
Thank you for doing all of the games. ^_^
Nobody:
X&Y Rivals gang: 3:04
4:26 - Future cutscenes involving the Pokémon you picked.
Stepping outside has activated Killer Queen's Bites the Dusto
The Sun/Moon starters are probably loaded in the void of the house so the game can just place them into the house cutscenes later, like when you return home and show it to your mom and Meowth. IDK for sure tho, might need to do a crossover with Boundary Break to figure it out.
Dude, exact moment when you left house in Black and White, my phone froze and I opened the battery and it was all burnt up... creepy af
wow the game breaks when you don't play it as intended???*i never expected that*
He’s finding out what breaks.
something so fun to do would be glitching out of the "get your starter" phase of a pokemon game and to get a gift pokemon to be your starter nstead.
Try let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eeevee since they are very different.
The starters are in your house’s map because they appear there later in a cutscene.
A video idea
What happens if you battle the Elite 4 without any gym badges
You'd...fight the Elite Four.
It's just an idea to see what would happen.
Now do Sword and Sheild
hii poketips i clicked this video so fast lol
You could say that when you try this on Pokémon Black, it REALLY turns into Pokémon black
I tried this in Pokemon Crystal. I got first badge in 0:08!
Gold, kinda wanna see what happens if you beat the whole game without a pokemon
3:57 i think their rendered for the cut sence when there out of their pokeballs slighty later in the game