You understand nothing...0. The sequel (or the later seasons in the case of a TV show) are finally the time when the actors & directors usually get paid. I'm not saying it makes a better product, I'm just saying it's reality. Didn't these people deserve to get paid more for producing a billion dollars the first time. Yes, but the studio shafted them with a mediocre contract. Now they finally get paid. Look at all the one hit wonders in music, why weren't they able to do it a second time? Because they only had one idea. 1) Arthur Fleck was too weak and whiny and not intelligent enough to be the actual Joker. 2) The arc of the movie was not bad. Let's get rid of this loser, so the real Joker can come forth 3) ...forget the musical 4) ...forget Lady Gaga. She's average looking and slightly corpulent 5) Many women have hybristophilia (attracted to violent men). It is on a continuum between spanking and serial killers. A man must be able to handle situations. 6) Typically, women don't love men for interests, morality, ethics.... just what they accomplish. In this case, fame & violence. 7) Doppelgangers... if you're going to have a psycho girl, then don't make her Harley Quinn, since Arthur Fleck was not the Joker. There are plenty of women with hybristophilia.
@@Menstral ...Huh? Phoenix made 4.5 million dollars for the first film. That's not exactly chump change, even if he made almost 5x as much for this film. Todd Philips made 100 million from the first film. You are the one who doesn't understand anything. All the grips, assistants, secondary cast members and background cast would have made the same regardless, because that's how the industry works. There isn't much info out there about producer salaries for the first film, but rest assured they were paid well. Even if it was low budget it was a full production studio, not an indie project. You want to liken a movie with actors like Phoenix and De Niro in it to a TV show with a bunch of no names or legacy television personalities?
I don't mind making it into a musical, it's a bold gambling decision but if they could pull it off good enough, then I could be satisfied by the movie. It is something new and original to the character so why not? And I'm probably saying this because I do have a huge bias on musicals unlike other people 🤷
Yeah pretty much. I was like: Me: Damn this sounds cool oh wait…musical??. Me: Absolute confusion Literally the 2 fundamental genres (I would say) comedy and tragedy somehow are meant to work in tandum with a musical and thriller Yeah that ain’t gonna work
Harley should have been a therapist like the original ... having the Joker turn around a stable PhD smart lonely insecure girl makes him more menacing and "close to home" instead them just being two broken people inspired by each other ..
I thought the most interesting part of Dr Harleen Quinzel's arc is the psychological aspect of how a smart educated person can get manipulated into insanity
@@idiot_city5444 Since literally the beginning of Harley’s creation it’s been shown that he just manipulates her for his benefit and doesn’t really care about her
I mean I kind of agree but the only sequels he ever made were the hangover sequels, nothing else he directed ever had a sequel. But yeah, those sequels were unnecessary.
It's like the riddler from The Batman is the sad reality behind the fantasy in his head that is the Joker movie. And in the sequel he finally gets laid. For real this time.
@@yaqinmalul6467 well but it is connected, it's the sequel. Or do mean that we should say that because it is absolutely not worth to be the sequel to the first movie?
Am I the only one who is absolutely sick of Harley Quinn. They took a good character and just ran her into the ground with so many obnoxious versions that I just don't want to see her anymore. The original version is the only one I give a shit about anymore.
I’m sick of them trying to make Harley Quinn a heroic character or an anti-hero instead of a villain because if her popularity. And to this movie’s credit: Harley Quinn is a blatantly bad person in this movie and not some “misunderstood” or manipulated girl
@@ZacTheFirstCuz women aren't allowed to be full villains anymore cuz current year. Every female villain is becoming an anti hero. They even made puppy killing Cruela an anti hero. wtf
Yeah she's so boring I do not get the hype, she's just annoying and people always say "She's supposed to be annoying" but why would that make me enjoy her as a character?? They push SO HARD to make her DC's Deadpool essentially and it just doesn't work, she doesn't have the star power even if Margot Robbie as the character is pretty fun, hence why she's better in the Suicide Squad movies. She's a side character. They keep trying to force her to be more.
The sad part, is that a movie with Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Ga Ga directed by Todd Philips has a lot of potential. They could have done an actor/director focused original film that capitalized on the success of the Joker, but was still its own thing. The first Joker movie took off, because it was an actor and director focused movie, Trojan Horsing as a franchise movie. Getting all of that talent together, only to do a worse sequel really feels like everyone involved learned the wrong lessons, especially Hollywood.
I've been saying this as well. If any "sequel" then DC should've hopped on the anthology villian train. Lex Luthor would be GREAT. Then, a third film would be another grounded take on a DC villain.
Wow I found this amusing JJ is usually awesome but this one is a bad review from him, if you watch his reviews he didn't actually "review" the movie, he gave his opinion based on his expectations and preferences.
That part also got me. How do you make the character regress when the entire point of the first movie was to see why he rose in the first place? It's so counterintuitive! These people should really get major fans who "get it" to be involved in a very early conceptual version of this type of movie so it can be saved before it is even made. I'm annoyed this got such a low rating.
this is what happens when you put people in charge that didnt even understand the message of the first movie at all and just wanted to do their own thing, oh wait, that sounds familiar to me
@@spill1t One lame justification I tend to see with these kinds of films (revolving around villains) is that people want to say, "But the audience won't want to cheer for the villain." Like, dumbass, that's what we signed up for! We do want the villain to be the villain that we are fans of! The first movie ended perfectly with showing us that "Arthur Fleck" is no more. It's just the Joker. Going back on it instead of going full speed ahead is massively frustrating.
I mean Gaga is a great actress but it's like she can't separate her professions. Even when she's acting in a movie she still needs to sing something. We freaking know who you are bro 😂
I want to ask about the ending, because I don't care enough to see this movie, but enough to weed through the multiple endings that has cropped up over the last few days, but, idk how to even phrase it without major spoilers.
@@troymash8109nearly a 90% audience score btw followed up with over a billion dollars at the BO. Let’s be REAL honest, YOU and a vocal minority thought the first one was crap. Sequel was justnever supposed to be made in the first place, but money changed that
Funny how are you seeing this as a problem in the sequel when in the first film they had kid Bruce interact with Joker for no fucking reason . Not to mention the stupid ass side plot of Thomas Wayne being the "Father" of Arthur. The first movie was bad enough, no wonder the sequel was shit
@shivankawana5420 There was always the possibility to pass that up as Fleck not being the actual Joker but instead just inspiration or something (ironic now), but you don't really have that with Dent. Like, this is just Dent. No way around it. No way to write past it.
One of the same mistakes the Gotham TV series made. Having an adult Harvey Dent who is like 24 when Bruce is 10. Then they cut him out of the show entirely after about 5 episodes and he was never seen again.
@@Peter_Pans_Labyrinth I get where you are coming from , but the interaction between those two characters went nowhere . On a second watch , the first movie is obsessed with Thomas Wayne for no reason at all . Arthur confronting Thomas in the washroom asking him if he is his father was pure cringe
I was expecting the Joker sequel to be Joker gaining a lot of connections being in Arkham. Locking him up actually launched him to mafia boss level. Harley was just one of his many manipulated followers.
Joker shoulda rocked into Arkham a completely new man and just got scarier with every scene. Have all the guards hate him and want to bring him low but everything they try he flips and laughs in their face cuz he truly doesn't give a f*ck so they get more and more nervous and powerless. Have that galvanize all the other inmates to the the horror of the guards/faculty until it all culminates in a riot/bloodbath and them all turning loose on Gotham. Have a series of scenes where he interacts with all the other inmates one on one (a veritable who's who of the Rogue's Gallery). Have Joker immediately identify their weak points, shove it in their faces and spin it like he's doing them a favour to make them better, smarter, stronger, more confident etc. while laying the psychological breadcrumbs for them to pin all the blame for their issues on the guards/faculty/institution/society etc. Like have it so Joker's psychotic delusion is a character of it's own spreading throughout the place like a mind-virus eroding ppl's self awareness and personal responsibility more and more causing them to become more unhinged like him but no matter how bad they get he one-ups them every time so they fear and follow him. A cult leader amping them all up. Oh the slow burn tension you could have done so the audience slowly come to the realization it's all a plan to create the perfect conditions for a riot. Hell you could have made it so all those interactions between Joker and others and the subsequent interactions between them and the ppl they blamed for their problems culminate in Joker acquiring all the materials and conditions necessary to facilitate the break-out. Like a reverse heist movie combined with a prison break film where the object isn't to get someone into the vault but everyone out of the facility. Then the climax is something absolutely insane where he loses it and does something so f*cked it sets off the powder keg he created and they all snap and everyone else panics. The slow degradation of order and civility into complete and utter chaos and catastrophe kinda in the same vein as the movie Deepwater Horizon. You know where all the little things build up until the SHTF. But they had to virtue-signal so they didn't get Gina Carano'd for supporting the "right wing incels" (actual comic book fans that understand the characters and IP and just like a good villain without identifying with him on a personal level like the identity politics pushing executives, activists and entertainment media propagandists they ended up kowtowing to)
@@hunterkiller1440 As if this complete loser would "manipulate" anyone, lol the only people this Scorsese from Temu manipulated was the average Joe who never watched Scorsese in their lives + the "academy" rewarding a caricature of suffering
Matrix 4 is hilarious when you realize Wachoski was taking the piss the whole time. It was like spiking the ball. It's a parody of pointless modern day sequels disguised as a real movie. She purposefully tanked it to dissuade Warner Bros from making any more. Basically, she was forced to make and was like, "Fine. 🖕 you, WB."
Should have done a Joker Film where he becomes a Criminal Boss... causing problems for other criminals and the law. Being a loose canon, a wildcard and causing havoc in society but at the same time being sadistic funny and inteligence person. Showing his good side fading and his evil Joker persona taking over... This should have been his rise to becoming the ultimate anarchist. The Rise of Joker. Instead we get a muscial court room drama... FFS... Hire some decent fan based writers or people who have love for the lore... to give you ideas... but who am I just a random youtube comment dude... anyways Jeremy your a legend... Thank you for the work you do... Love from 🇬🇧
Your idea sounds good, but I reckon if they hired "some decent fan based writers" and filmmakers for the first one, it would have been just a generic superhero film instead of what it is. I haven't seen these yet, but that first film was well liked.
Called it! The moment they turned it into a musical i knew it was over. I got into a heated debate with people who said i was being too judgemental. Secondly, how long can Joker stand alone without the batman dynamic?
DC would never let a version of Batman appear in these movies because it would only lessen his character. Plus the first movie was only a remake of taxi driver with a clown for the protagonist
The moment I heard it was going to be a "musical" with Lady Gaga in it I checked out. Seems pattern recognition wins again, thanks early humans for developing such a nifty tool
I went to see this today, and personally, i really loved it. It was moody, gritty and i interpreted the musical numbers to be delusions inside Arthur's Mind. I think the backing violin(?) Music added to the misery of the whole thing too. Real brooding stuff in my opinion. I hope to buy this when it comes out, and watch both back to back, and see how they translate as one long narrative.
Yup, people got too easily taken out by the musical numbers. For me, as a music nerd, I actually enjoyed most of the numbers and the distorted and unkempt nature of some of them were interpreted as the evocation of Arthur's own disjointed mind. There are a couple truly touching musical moments, like when he started singing in the interview. I did find it a bit obnoxious the Sonny & Cher references, but I get the reasons Phillips used them.
The director had a long Variety interview recently, and he was being awfully defensive about the budget, lol. He was like, people should be happy that he was able to get so much money out of the studio (portraying it as a moral victory that the meaniepants studio had to pay that much) and that they could hire a bunch of crewmembers who could now feed their families. What a weird couple of comebacks. As if the crew couldn't "feed their families" on the first Joker. And as if we don't all know that a bloated budget is often a sign of problems.
Limits breed creativity. When one has limited resources the most is made to compensate for things, but when given too much resources, they often don't know whattodo and waste it on thigns taht dont matter
It's amazing just how bad and insulting this movie is. The budget is like 200 million and it looks great but it's truly awful anywhere it matters. It's like the movie version of sewerslide squad kill the justice league.
@@youruinedmymood it's called word of mouth you turnip, something that reviewers like Jeremy are good for. Especially if you trust them and have similar taste
@@erikfinkel2717 you know what I mean... all the articles claiming this was "glorifying incels" and all the warnings that "something may happen at screenings" trying to scare people from going out to see it... the MSM attacked this movie prior to its release...
I just left the movie. What's wrong with you? This movie was perfect! I felt Arthur's pain through his songs and his desires through his imagination. BRILLIANTLY PUT TOGETHER!
The problem is not many people are attentive enough to make the connections. I went with my pals and many of them were put off by the musical numbers and instead of trying to connect the dots they simply shut their brains off and started texting or cell stuff. I LOVED that melancholy side Arthur inflected into his singing, similar to Chet Baker. It was a brilliant move, it signaled the longing of a broken man.
The entire situation reminds me of the Steven He sketch about hollywood writers "No, it's my life! It's my legacy! I can't let it be ruined" *puts down money* "Now we both know your third yacht could use a third yacht"
I always appreciate how you convey your feelings clearly without spoiling the movie, Jeremy. The movie sounds like what I was dreading, aka an unnecessary mess.
Aggressively so. Todd Phillips seems truly pissed by the success of the first film. I feel like he actively sabotaged this film much like the the story goes with matrix 4.
I have to admit. I walked out of the theatre too. Disney tried it. I cannot believe they created something so bad. This movie should’ve went straight to broadway. Gaga’s acting is top tier though 😂
@@VeniVidiVici100 I held out hope. I knew it was a massive risk, I said to my friends this film will either be one of the best movies of the year, or one of the worst.
Most people that were complaining about this new movie, were being tagged as "incels" because every person thought that by hating on the sequel, you are precisely hating on the fact that the new movie has a woman in the big role, but people seem to forget that outside of this internet bubble that they live, opinions and conceptions can't just be undermined like this, and that by not liking a certain aspect of the movie, you're not necessarily hating on the PEOPLE that are cast for that same movie. The entire concept for this sequel from the beginning was just really not for my taste... and having it being executed in a poor way doesn't make me any excited to watch it.
They tried that mess 5 years ago with the first Joker movie. Words like Incel are nothing but buzzwords that lost it's meaning. Basically, it is a catch all term for people who don't like criticism from fans.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 Yup, 2019 feels forever ago now. Back when certain words still had meaning and had "pointed edges" to them. Buzzwords have been driven into the ground by being casually thrown around and over/misused so much. Funny enough I do see the situation around this movie to be the inverse of the first one. Whoever comes to the defense of this turd will be ignored or scorned at best.
My problem is that neither Joker nor Harley had a significant role in any of the film's events. They were mostly passive. Harley is mostly in the background for the 2nd half of the film. She doesn't really do much to change the outcome of anything. I think it was implied that she planned the court bombing, but Arthur gets caught about 5 mins about he escapes...sooo that was kinda pointless too.
@@Jump-Man like are you fr? because comparing a gore p*rn movie with no substance to this movie when they’re not even part of the same genre is braindead. this movie isn’t that bad, people just don’t try to understand significant plot points. 💀
This has to go down as one of the biggest heartbreaks, probably of all time. I can't believe what they did, it's almost like they mocked the joker fanbase. UNBELIEVABLE!!
@robertmcelwaine7024 thank you that first one was horrible I don't wanna see and joker movie without batman now they should have done a Joker movie with batman main in it but it's joker telling him and batman story from his eyes and who he thinks batman is.
@@TheFatboy714this movie is good for a deep think. It’s not Joker doing Joker stuff like everyone wants. It’s about the loneliness and fantasies of a mentally ill person.
Jeremy, you nailed it. Not much I can add to your excellent review. Yep, the musical numbers are tedious and don't add value to the narrative. Lady Gaga is a weak actor. A proper actor could have brought some fizzing energy to that character. Very disappointing sequel. Should have been called: Joker: The Musical.
@@SalvableRuin personally I do like to always get something from the cinema each time I go, even if it’s just a bottle of water and a medium popcorn, as I know it’s the main way they make their money. As a big film fan I wouldn’t want my local cinemas closing down.
Thanks Jeremy! Appreciate the quick take, and fair warning. You never waste my time, and I can appreciate your directness. The makings of a quintessential critic.
Movie wasn't bad perse. But it wasn't good either. Joker was a phenomenal and follwing it up with this movie was kind of a let down. Plus make it a regular musical. Jukebox musical get a bad rep Trolls, Strange Magic. When done right they could be really good. Mama Mia Moulin Rouge (kinda), but when done mediocily you get this movie. The numbers felt very half assed with no liveliness to them. Joaquin can sing. Watch Walk the Line. But here he sounded horrible.
Was a good and intense movie about Arthur Fleck. The problem is, no-one wanna see another movie about Arthur Fleck. That's the Story of the movie and happens in the real world too XD
Lol, my husband said the same thing. I loved the movie, the musical aspect is the “fantasy” of a mental patient. He didn’t get it. But he never liked musicals anyway and I’m a theatre geek. I personally thought it was deep and touched on how we glorify anti-heroes when those are just caricatures of a real person with real issues. It makes people feel powerful and this movie destroys the power they want to feel with reality
Just went to watch this movie and walked out after the 100th friggin musical score with Arthur getting interviewed by some news reporter in prison. I was fed up. What did they do to this movie? It’s like every time you got invested into the action, they break the tension with some damn musical score
There's nothing wrong with it been a musical per se. An animated episode of Batman with Joker and Harley in Arkham doing musical numbers is about as legit as it could get. And people would wank themselves over it. Problem with this type of film is they use preexisting songs and ham fist them in. Get an actual musical writer and do proper songs exploring the characters psyche etc.
@@changer_of_ways_999true but this movie actually did the opposite… Harley Quinn is a terrible person in this movie instead of the “misunderstood anti-hero” that they’ve been pushing for the past 10 years
Crazy thing is, the musical aspect could have been really good, If executed right. Nothing would come closer to animated Joker than him orchestrating a musical, while brutally murdering people. They could have leaned into the circus setting too.
@@dareelantonio.3056 To be able to pull out a well made Joker Musical requires nothing less out of a mad genius. Someone who can handle the dark humor and twistedness of the character, being creative enough to handle the catchyness of music and contrast it with the horror the clown prince of crime could bring But heh, what do i know?
@@lsebastian9086 I actually was quite exited when I heard it was a musical of Harley and joker. I thought it was very creative , what better set of character than a mad couple. But the execution was wrong. Right right it should’ve been given to a “mad genius”
If they focused on making Lady Gaga become Harley Quinn, and by the end get Joker out of Arkham, from his court sentencing with a sludge hammer hitting the side of the police van escorting Joker back to Arkham with both of them skipping off into the dark fog eerily laughing and leave it there, I think be alot better. First Joker was solid, and honestly the trailer to this made me ponder... why? I'll probably just wait for it to go on Netflix or something.
Like the Stones said: "You Can't Always Get What You Want", but this sequel is not THAT bad if youbtakr it as an indie film serving the purpose of closure for the first one.
I actually think this review is bad because the reviewer had too many expectations and honestly didn't get why the movie did what it did it the first place. I really get why they joker 2 is a musical, because they dive deeper into joker's thoughts and they let us see what's he really thinking. If you'll notice in the first movie whenever Arthur channels his inner psycho he usually dances, it's a medium for him to be free.
My enthusiasm was dampened when I saw the trailer. You've just poured cold water on any remaining interest I had. And I'm grateful - I'm happy to keep the first film in my affections unsullied by pointless augmentation.
@@luna-mo3ol The first film was pure character study, which is the kind of film I enjoy. The trailer for Folie a Deux suggested to me that more attention was being paid to production than to character, which is the kind of film I don't enjoy. The trailer is the reason I chose to watch reviews before deciding whether or not to see the movie.
@foreignparticle1320 That makes sense. I guess that's why I thought the trailer was great because the cinematography and music was amazing. Wish they could've focused on all elements
@foreignparticle1320 Okay so I just got out of seeing it..... I thought it was brilliant. I'm not sure what you mean when you say this one wasn't pure character study, because to me it seemed like it was even more that than the first one was. I thought that was kind of the entire point of it. Though it was a slow-burn, it was incredibly unique and like an arthouse film. Idk, I loved it 🤷♀️
this should have been a full fleged confident joker film breaking out of Arkham. focusing on his antics and wrecking havoc on gotham while inspiring a young Bruce to take action/train in the backdrop.. but instead the growth from the first film feels like it was done in vain.
It's a fun watch but a very very very disgusting movie! The visuals are not just disturbing but really really disgusting. The concept was good and the plotline moves quickly so no boredom :)
What I've got from this movie is the actual 2nd degree reading. Was probably not obvious enough... Arthur keeps building up fantasies of him doing those things. And the musical parts are part of Arthur's mind. Music makes you whole is a say that got told multiple Times in the movie. Gaga's character is what Arthur see of her. An enabler, a pure dedicated follower. Based on those, its really Arthur going on trial with himself to decide whether he wants to be Arthur or the Joker. The ending tells that. A psychopath laughing to the depressed comedian wasnt enough to make a ton of people catch Up what the movie is about. The cartoon at the beginning pretty Much tell it. Arthur wants to make people laugh to deal with his pain. But Joker is the icon, this dark passenger that gives him the ever wanted glory.
The original Taxi Driver was a much better movie for me, the reason Todd's remake made so much box office is because he just changed Travis Bickle to Joker and everyone fell for it. Next we'll get remakes of Dirty Harry, French Connection, Scarface, Escape from NY, The Shining but with the main characters switched out with namable super heroes / villains so that studios feel comfortable enough to greenlight them.
I didn’t mind it being a bit of a taxi driver rip off fort it suited the character well but I do get your point. With the sequel they should of just ran with their inspirations and made it more in line with scarface but instead we got a fucking musical literally what nobody wanted!
so also... this movie confirms that the first movie was real? it all happened... it's NOT just is in his head, for real CONFIRMED now? bc i thought the whole point was ... that we didn't know for sure what actually happened.
I never got the sense that it was even questioned if it was real. They were pretty clear about stuff he made up in his head and wanted to do, and then the stuff he actually did. Imo
@@Spaxer yes. that's what i got from it too. i think the movie is kinda clear. but a lot of essays and commentators said it COULD be all a dream etc... so i got confused.
@@Cousinbiddy1 how do you know that its all real? ( if some thing in the first we thought it was real and now in the second its not) it as well can mean that in the second there things which are not real people are forgetting that Arthur & Lee are deeply insane and unreliable narrators
I forgot that Joker 2 was happening until I got the notification of the movie on my phone... But I have seen the reviews of this movie... I haven't watched the movie... But several reviews got me worried 💀
Perhaps this is what happens when a fanbase only pays attention to moments instead of looking deeper. If they had, maybe they would have seen that the core problems this film had, were already present in the first. Sure this one is less, palatable, but that doesn't mean the first was good or was setting up something else. This was the payoff, because it was what was set up. Most just didn't see it, and saw only what they wanted, like Arthur.
This confirms the point I try to make when anyone suggests I watch a musical: if I wanted to listen to music I’d stay home and put on headphones, not go to the cinema
I think musical is mostly outdated. It’s from a time that people couldn’t listen to music unless they played it themselves or heard it live. It still can be done but only if done right.
I actually felt something with the first movie. Drained, sad, I felt empathy towards Arthur. The scene where he reads his mother file and starts laughing and crying at the same time. The scene with the Wall Street guys. The talk-show. So many amazing moments. I never felt anything other than bored with this one. I actually wanted it to end. I did not like the singing, it didn't progress the story in any way, it just kept us wanting for what happens after. They could and should have gone a completely different way with this. I was really dissapointed.
I’m in the minority but I was so disappointed with Longlegs. I had high hopes and was so excited to see it in theaters but then it ended up being a meh experience. I still refer to it as “Cable tv crime drama/horror tropes with beautiful cinematography and a guest appearance of Nic Cage” the movie. 😖
I liked it. The subliminal messaging alone, the blocking of the actors making satanic symbols. I was lucky that I saw the movie without knowing Cage was in it and didn't even recognize him.😅
I think I would have liked it if it wasn't so hyped. Someone said it was better than Hereditary... clearly it isn't. I think a real serial killer approach would have been better, imo. It feels like an indie movie. And it's boring as hell.
5:26 i knew that's gonna be his reaction. Theres something that i think that people are gonna say about the ending to this movie that they better not say that shows how terrible the human race is!!
Irrelevant: I just re-watched The Dark Knight Rises again, and it has gotten better with time. Better than 90% of superhero films since 2012. What Nolan, Richard Donner, and Raimi did with comic book movies will forever remain the gold standard! Today, it's more corporate than soul.
I agree. Reminds me of The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc. I thought it was WEIRD when I first watched it. I liked the battle scenes so I watched it again. I finally understood where the director was coming from and the movie was instantly better. Most people won't get it. Once you do, it's trippy.
They made it a crappy musical because of how relatable joker was for some, and we couldn't have that. Remember how hard the media pushed the idea that people were gonna shoot up the theaters during Jokers run? "This film is emboldening incels!" And the like. It had to be shut down because.... uhh
I would have preferred the hangover 2 here , instead he went straight to 3. Pointless and completely unnecessary sure, but this was an insult to the audience. A super aggressive poke in the eye is anyone dumb enough to trust Todd.
I enjoyed the film. Yes, it does not compare to the first, however, this film does a great job creating a layout for a third film. It was a film made in the perspective of Arthur Fletcher. He’s nothing insane, just bland. I loved the musical numbers because they felt real and out of sorts, just like the mind of what everyone can imagine is going on in the Joker’s mind. This film shows the side of Arthur that wants human values like love, but towards the end, he realizes the only way he can ever have love and fulfill his dream of being a clown is by being Joker. Arthur was killed, and all who is left is the Joker. But I can understand why people were outraged.
Ha, ha - at 2:23, and if Lady Gaga has a clause in her contract that *mandates* music / singing. Kind of like John Travolta, and *his* clause, that *there must* be dancing!
It's funny seeing people suddenly proclaiming the first one wasn't that good lol like I don't even love that movie but it went from being extremely beloved to now something people want to let people know they think is overrated. Just funny how this can happen so many times.
It's an okay-at-best derivative film with a character everyone loves. That's kind of the thing with comic book movies - if they're not complete garbage, everybody freaks out over them.
Suddenly? Been saying it since day one. It's just that wave of praise it was given by the, let's say, less-discerning crowd drowned out the people saying it wasn't good. Now, 5 years later, when that wave has receded, and that same less-discerning crowd is now d-riding the new dumbshit movie (Deadpool and Wolverine), the voices of the people that disliked Joker are now being heard.
@@christofferjenzen78The second movie is a meta commentary on the cultural impact of the first movie. People here are upset about the direction they took with Arthur, and I think that was the point of the movie.
@@weed75black35 It certainly makes for some divisive viewing. Im not the biggest fan of the first and it seems for the same reason alot of people loved it and if this is somewhat of a takedown of the same culture Joker helped build...It would make for a very interesting conversation piece. Responses so far are hard to read, it's hard to know if people didn't like the point It's making (people hate to admit that ) or they just think the narrative is lacking. But I think this can be a great watch if you open your mind to it.
@@christofferjenzen78 I think the script itself might be a bit rushed, but the message it wanted to tell had always been there from the beginning. The second movie can come across as admonishing the culture the first movie created, but I didn't think it was made with the explicit intention of taking down Arthur. The first movie was committed to realism and so was this one. It showed a realistic outcome for Arthur's actions, though I understand it's not something the audience wanted to see.
@@weed75black35 Okay, you already saw it. So you would say It's good and votes are too harsh? Its probably gonna land at 5.0 on Imdb before soon which seems insane concidering the rating of the first one.
The first was good as a realistic origin story. The second (honestly there shouldn't be a second), should be Joker becoming the clown prince of crime. Definitely not about Joker stuck in a court case
Tbf it was controversal from the release with many either not liking the premise thinking it gave a bad message or for not being as intellectually deep as they had hoped. I loved it for what is was and the audience showed most did but critcally is was always mixed.
I saw this on a plane and people were still walking out
Without parachutes I presume?
Well, this is a good joke !
Original.
I highly doubt that, considering the film just came out, and they don't put new movies on planes.
@@ph0uadr/woooosh
4x the budget of the first. Sounds like a hot mess. Amazing how smaller budgets force folks to focus on story.
You understand nothing...0. The sequel (or the later seasons in the case of a TV show) are finally the time when the actors & directors usually get paid. I'm not saying it makes a better product, I'm just saying it's reality. Didn't these people deserve to get paid more for producing a billion dollars the first time. Yes, but the studio shafted them with a mediocre contract. Now they finally get paid.
Look at all the one hit wonders in music, why weren't they able to do it a second time? Because they only had one idea.
1) Arthur Fleck was too weak and whiny and not intelligent enough to be the actual Joker.
2) The arc of the movie was not bad. Let's get rid of this loser, so the real Joker can come forth
3) ...forget the musical
4) ...forget Lady Gaga. She's average looking and slightly corpulent
5) Many women have hybristophilia (attracted to violent men). It is on a continuum between spanking and serial killers. A man must be able to handle situations.
6) Typically, women don't love men for interests, morality, ethics.... just what they accomplish. In this case, fame & violence.
7) Doppelgangers... if you're going to have a psycho girl, then don't make her Harley Quinn, since Arthur Fleck was not the Joker. There are plenty of women with hybristophilia.
Big budgets are just for money laundering purposes.
Both movies equally focus on Arther’s plight.
@@Menstral ...Huh? Phoenix made 4.5 million dollars for the first film. That's not exactly chump change, even if he made almost 5x as much for this film. Todd Philips made 100 million from the first film. You are the one who doesn't understand anything. All the grips, assistants, secondary cast members and background cast would have made the same regardless, because that's how the industry works. There isn't much info out there about producer salaries for the first film, but rest assured they were paid well. Even if it was low budget it was a full production studio, not an indie project.
You want to liken a movie with actors like Phoenix and De Niro in it to a TV show with a bunch of no names or legacy television personalities?
@Menstral don't they get paid when the film does well in theaters?
I heard early reviews were really bad but damn, i was excepting a big surprise like the first one. Making it a musical was a huge gamble imo.
I don't mind making it into a musical, it's a bold gambling decision but if they could pull it off good enough, then I could be satisfied by the movie. It is something new and original to the character so why not? And I'm probably saying this because I do have a huge bias on musicals unlike other people 🤷
im still excited for the movie
Atleast The Penguin had a pretty strong start
Imagine a world where they add the guardians' soundtrack, and that's the musical. Would you still be so accepting?
And yet nobody is saying the fact that it’s a musical ruins it
Saw it tonight. The only thing entertaining about it was the amount of people that walked out the theatre half way through.
Nobody walked out in mine. Then again no one showed up.
It was 11
ppl in our theater…. 5 were our party.😕
My case couldn't support and walked out, shitty movie.
LOL fr?
Its an ok movie, Ive seen worse Marvel movies! 🙄
Once it was revealed that it was going to be a musical with Lady Gaga in it, we all knew it was over, despite clinging onto hope.
Not necessarily, the film still could’ve been great with that premise.
Could not have said it any better.
I liked the musical aspect and thought it was a really clever idea, so no not all of us lost hope.
Yeah pretty much. I was like:
Me: Damn this sounds cool oh wait…musical??.
Me: Absolute confusion
Literally the 2 fundamental genres (I would say) comedy and tragedy somehow are meant to work in tandum with a musical and thriller
Yeah that ain’t gonna work
If they were going to have a Joker musical they could have at least done a version of "I Can't Stop Laughing" from Arkham Knight
Harley should have been a therapist like the original ... having the Joker turn around a stable PhD smart lonely insecure girl makes him more menacing and "close to home" instead them just being two broken people inspired by each other ..
Harley is a garbage character either way. Joker would never give a shit about some pretty psychiatrist lol, it's always been laughable
@@idiot_city5444worked on silence of the lambs
I thought the most interesting part of Dr Harleen Quinzel's arc is the psychological aspect of how a smart educated person can get manipulated into insanity
@@idiot_city5444 Since literally the beginning of Harley’s creation it’s been shown that he just manipulates her for his benefit and doesn’t really care about her
@@Nicholas_Chen_ Because she has her own damage that she hides behind her professionalism.
Ahh the ol' Todd Phillips banger followed up by the unnecessary Todd Phillips sequel. Classic.
I mean I kind of agree but the only sequels he ever made were the hangover sequels, nothing else he directed ever had a sequel. But yeah, those sequels were unnecessary.
@@TVFlixreally noticing a pattern with him.
The first one was ok at best.
i like the sequels. not as much as the first but i like them a lot.
And "banger" is an overstatement for a Todd Phillips movie.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a musical
😂
If the Jonkler started beatboxing this would've been a 10/10 movie.
He didn't start beatboxing? Is he stupid or something?
WHY SO FEINIOUS😭😭😭
he'll yea
The aslume does not accept you@@thewubgod
😅🤣😂🤣😭😭
Never thought a show with the Penguin as a main character would be better than a movie with the Joker as a main character but here we are
*remember guys joker 2 movie is musical so it not connected*
It's like the riddler from The Batman is the sad reality behind the fantasy in his head that is the Joker movie. And in the sequel he finally gets laid. For real this time.
@@yaqinmalul6467 well but it is connected, it's the sequel. Or do mean that we should say that because it is absolutely not worth to be the sequel to the first movie?
No interest in either. Never wanted the "realistic" bs.
I suppose we can only say that this isn't actually the joker
Am I the only one who is absolutely sick of Harley Quinn. They took a good character and just ran her into the ground with so many obnoxious versions that I just don't want to see her anymore. The original version is the only one I give a shit about anymore.
I’m sick of them trying to make Harley Quinn a heroic character or an anti-hero instead of a villain because if her popularity. And to this movie’s credit: Harley Quinn is a blatantly bad person in this movie and not some “misunderstood” or manipulated girl
@@ZacTheFirstCuz women aren't allowed to be full villains anymore cuz current year. Every female villain is becoming an anti hero. They even made puppy killing Cruela an anti hero. wtf
Yeah she's so boring I do not get the hype, she's just annoying and people always say "She's supposed to be annoying" but why would that make me enjoy her as a character??
They push SO HARD to make her DC's Deadpool essentially and it just doesn't work, she doesn't have the star power even if Margot Robbie as the character is pretty fun, hence why she's better in the Suicide Squad movies.
She's a side character. They keep trying to force her to be more.
I like the early Arkham version of Harley too but yeah she’s exhausting now
They tried to make her a "tank girl" clone in the new52.
This fuckin movie was a straight assassination of everything good about the first
thats exactly the point
That was the plan
Period
@@SandrosCoronado So the point was for it to suck ass???
@LewisYates The Plan is Stupid then.
Can't wait for the sequel, Joker: Menage a trois.
😂😂😂😂😂
Noice 😂
That'll be a direct release to the Hub, directed by Rod Phillips.
Who will play Pamela Isley?
😂😂😂
I've been against this Joker sequel since they announced they'd be doing one. Joker should absolutely have stayed a one and done film.
I would even argue we didn't need a joker movie. But they landed it..... that should have been the end
Yes and wit lady caca in it! Boo boo
Pisses me off when I see unnecessarry sequels coming out and people drooling over them. Don't even get me started on Gladiator 2.
The sad part, is that a movie with Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Ga Ga directed by Todd Philips has a lot of potential. They could have done an actor/director focused original film that capitalized on the success of the Joker, but was still its own thing. The first Joker movie took off, because it was an actor and director focused movie, Trojan Horsing as a franchise movie. Getting all of that talent together, only to do a worse sequel really feels like everyone involved learned the wrong lessons, especially Hollywood.
I've been saying this as well. If any "sequel" then DC should've hopped on the anthology villian train. Lex Luthor would be GREAT. Then, a third film would be another grounded take on a DC villain.
This movie perfectly sums up so many modern TV shows and movie. "This movie is terrible with awful writing and no plot, but at least it looks good"
Cinematographers keeping Hollywood afloat.
Cough cough Aquaman cough cough
Disney Star Wars
Idk, modern tv shows looks like shit imo
That's literally M0dErN video games industry today *cough* Ubisoft *cough cough* Star Wars Outlaws *pukes up lung*
I just found my new favorite film review channel. New Sub, I appreciated your full-spectrum profile of Joker. Thank you.
JJ, rocks. In for a good view with this guy every time. No, I'm not trying to pump his tires. Just giving my honest opinion. 🍻
@@datriaxsondor590huh?
Wow I found this amusing JJ is usually awesome but this one is a bad review from him, if you watch his reviews he didn't actually "review" the movie, he gave his opinion based on his expectations and preferences.
I discovered him with the new the Crow movie. Like his reviews.
At least we have the Penguin.
Ehh it's just ok and there is no Penguin without Batman because otherwise the penguin is lame
@@thedarknate08oh shut up penguin is great Batman is everywhere
Yeah. I didn't expect The Batman to win out over Joker in terms of dark remake of Gotham City, but here we are.
@@thedarknate08I don't mind sidequests to flesh out characters as long as they bring it back to Batman.
@thedarknate08 he gotta have the flippers, or doin sum penguin sht. sumthin. I'm glad Colin can pull off being obese, but I see that everyday.
So they backtracked on Joker's character growth in the first movie? That's sad.
That part also got me. How do you make the character regress when the entire point of the first movie was to see why he rose in the first place? It's so counterintuitive! These people should really get major fans who "get it" to be involved in a very early conceptual version of this type of movie so it can be saved before it is even made. I'm annoyed this got such a low rating.
this is what happens when you put people in charge that didnt even understand the message of the first movie at all and just wanted to do their own thing, oh wait, that sounds familiar to me
@@spill1t One lame justification I tend to see with these kinds of films (revolving around villains) is that people want to say, "But the audience won't want to cheer for the villain." Like, dumbass, that's what we signed up for! We do want the villain to be the villain that we are fans of! The first movie ended perfectly with showing us that "Arthur Fleck" is no more. It's just the Joker. Going back on it instead of going full speed ahead is massively frustrating.
@@Mufflonekothe same people that made the first made this one
You clearly dont know what you are talking about lmao@@Muffloneko
Dang, first 10 seconds already gave me the final rating lol
Noooooooo ;(
we all knew the sequel was gonna be trash
how i felt about the first one :
Those Notes from James Gunn really did a number huh?
😂😂😂
Ain't no way wb copyright strikes Jeremy for this
Whoever said this movie should be a musical and include gaga, needs to be fired
Warner Bros. There's a reason their stock is slumping.
Agreed
I mean Gaga is a great actress but it's like she can't separate her professions. Even when she's acting in a movie she still needs to sing something. We freaking know who you are bro 😂
A lefty that lives in an echo chamber for sure.
This is probably the 5th time in the last year and a half that I really wanted David Zaslav to be fired
Just got out of the theatre a couple minutes ago, this flim is an absolute train wreck, they fumbled the bag hard
Is the music good at least?
Very likely you are anti semetic also
@@bianco2042No
I want to ask about the ending, because I don't care enough to see this movie, but enough to weed through the multiple endings that has cropped up over the last few days, but, idk how to even phrase it without major spoilers.
Is Batman in it?
Let’s be honest, 2019 Joker was lightning in a bottle, of course a sequel was more than likely gonna be a let down
Let's be REAL honest. Half of us who saw the first recognized it as a pile of crap in a sea of garbage and won't be paying for another round.
fair enough.
@@troymash8109i can totally see people hating the first joker, but i like it, sad the sequel won’t be better.
@@troymash8109nearly a 90% audience score btw followed up with over a billion dollars at the BO. Let’s be REAL honest, YOU and a vocal minority thought the first one was crap. Sequel was justnever supposed to be made in the first place, but money changed that
Put lady Gaga in it make it an instant fail.
I guess basketball is the only place you can find a Joker that doesn't disappoint...
Pacific Rim 2: Kaiju Boogaloo....loved the first Pacific Rim. Didn't hate the 2nd but it was a step back in my opinion. Wish they'd left is alone.
Agreed lol
I don’t know what your talking about. Pacific rim never had a sequel
They made a sequel?
Don't know what you're talking about, mate. Pacific Rim is a stand alone film
There is Uprising & the Netflix series The Black
That's disappointing. First Napoleon now this, Joaquin's going thru a rough patch 😔
And that movie he abandoned and fucked everyone over hardcore lol
Made it worse that he abruptly quit a Todd Haynes movie days before shooting began which is far worse situation than those two movies
Napoleon was good
@@Erasureeraser people in the bizz hate him and don't trust him
Overatted actor, he plays the same guy in every movie, only liked him in the first joker and Gladiator
Ah yes, Harvey Dent. Good friend of Bruce Wayne.
Except, now one is a child and the other is an adult.
Funny how are you seeing this as a problem in the sequel when in the first film they had kid Bruce interact with Joker for no fucking reason . Not to mention the stupid ass side plot of Thomas Wayne being the "Father" of Arthur. The first movie was bad enough, no wonder the sequel was shit
Diddler type behavior
@shivankawana5420 There was always the possibility to pass that up as Fleck not being the actual Joker but instead just inspiration or something (ironic now), but you don't really have that with Dent. Like, this is just Dent. No way around it. No way to write past it.
One of the same mistakes the Gotham TV series made. Having an adult Harvey Dent who is like 24 when Bruce is 10. Then they cut him out of the show entirely after about 5 episodes and he was never seen again.
@@Peter_Pans_Labyrinth I get where you are coming from , but the interaction between those two characters went nowhere . On a second watch , the first movie is obsessed with Thomas Wayne for no reason at all . Arthur confronting Thomas in the washroom asking him if he is his father was pure cringe
*Here after Top 10 WORST Movies 2024 and we find out he got a copyright strike for this*
I was expecting the Joker sequel to be Joker gaining a lot of connections being in Arkham. Locking him up actually launched him to mafia boss level. Harley was just one of his many manipulated followers.
Joker shoulda rocked into Arkham a completely new man and just got scarier with every scene. Have all the guards hate him and want to bring him low but everything they try he flips and laughs in their face cuz he truly doesn't give a f*ck so they get more and more nervous and powerless.
Have that galvanize all the other inmates to the the horror of the guards/faculty until it all culminates in a riot/bloodbath and them all turning loose on Gotham.
Have a series of scenes where he interacts with all the other inmates one on one (a veritable who's who of the Rogue's Gallery). Have Joker immediately identify their weak points, shove it in their faces and spin it like he's doing them a favour to make them better, smarter, stronger, more confident etc. while laying the psychological breadcrumbs for them to pin all the blame for their issues on the guards/faculty/institution/society etc.
Like have it so Joker's psychotic delusion is a character of it's own spreading throughout the place like a mind-virus eroding ppl's self awareness and personal responsibility more and more causing them to become more unhinged like him but no matter how bad they get he one-ups them every time so they fear and follow him.
A cult leader amping them all up. Oh the slow burn tension you could have done so the audience slowly come to the realization it's all a plan to create the perfect conditions for a riot.
Hell you could have made it so all those interactions between Joker and others and the subsequent interactions between them and the ppl they blamed for their problems culminate in Joker acquiring all the materials and conditions necessary to facilitate the break-out.
Like a reverse heist movie combined with a prison break film where the object isn't to get someone into the vault but everyone out of the facility.
Then the climax is something absolutely insane where he loses it and does something so f*cked it sets off the powder keg he created and they all snap and everyone else panics.
The slow degradation of order and civility into complete and utter chaos and catastrophe kinda in the same vein as the movie Deepwater Horizon. You know where all the little things build up until the SHTF.
But they had to virtue-signal so they didn't get Gina Carano'd for supporting the "right wing incels" (actual comic book fans that understand the characters and IP and just like a good villain without identifying with him on a personal level like the identity politics pushing executives, activists and entertainment media propagandists they ended up kowtowing to)
@@hunterkiller1440 As if this complete loser would "manipulate" anyone, lol the only people this Scorsese from Temu manipulated was the average Joe who never watched Scorsese in their lives + the "academy" rewarding a caricature of suffering
YOUR MAKING TO MUCH SENSE MAN - TODD PHILLIPS
You need to learn something this is not the real Joker it's only a persona
I wanna see ur movie
I’m disappointed this movie isn’t good, but not as disappointed as I was watching Matrix 4
Yeaaaah. I didn't have high hopes for Matrix 4 after seeing the trailers but man...I was really upset about wasting 2hrs of my life after seeing it.
Matrix 4 was one of the worst experiences I’ve had watching a movie 😂
Matrix 4 is the definition of abysmal
Matrix 4 is hilarious when you realize Wachoski was taking the piss the whole time. It was like spiking the ball. It's a parody of pointless modern day sequels disguised as a real movie. She purposefully tanked it to dissuade Warner Bros from making any more. Basically, she was forced to make and was like, "Fine. 🖕 you, WB."
Matrix 4 is not what you think it is. Look it up. It was made to flop for a reason.
Should have done a Joker Film where he becomes a Criminal Boss... causing problems for other criminals and the law. Being a loose canon, a wildcard and causing havoc in society but at the same time being sadistic funny and inteligence person. Showing his good side fading and his evil Joker persona taking over... This should have been his rise to becoming the ultimate anarchist. The Rise of Joker. Instead we get a muscial court room drama... FFS... Hire some decent fan based writers or people who have love for the lore... to give you ideas... but who am I just a random youtube comment dude... anyways Jeremy your a legend... Thank you for the work you do... Love from 🇬🇧
Exactly what I wanted! Would of been great!
With this potential of making a Bonnie and Clyde they made a la la land out of joker and harley.
You mean Heath Ledger lol
Your idea sounds good, but I reckon if they hired "some decent fan based writers" and filmmakers for the first one, it would have been just a generic superhero film instead of what it is. I haven't seen these yet, but that first film was well liked.
Then, in the end, an appearance by Robert Pattinson...
The music really helped understand Arthurs mindset and need for a fantasy
Still waiting on the Puss in Boots: The Last Wish review!
That movie came out 2 years ago.
That movie is amazing
SPOILER ALERT It was great!
Hahaha…
@@timkingsemailHeeeyyy....you spoiled it. Why...that was messed up.
Called it! The moment they turned it into a musical i knew it was over. I got into a heated debate with people who said i was being too judgemental. Secondly, how long can Joker stand alone without the batman dynamic?
The only version of Batman this joker can even be a challenge for is Adams West
Getting into a heated debate over a movie is sad
DC would never let a version of Batman appear in these movies because it would only lessen his character. Plus the first movie was only a remake of taxi driver with a clown for the protagonist
@@SeriousClownLOL 😂😂😂.the first movie was good. But why did they make it into a musical?
@@SeriousClownLOL 😂😂 omg. You guys hated it. First movie wasn't that bad bro
The moment I heard it was going to be a "musical" with Lady Gaga in it I checked out. Seems pattern recognition wins again, thanks early humans for developing such a nifty tool
Same 100%
It's hard not to judge a book by its cover nowadays when most of the time we end up being right.
Agreed, as soon I heard she was in this, I instantly lost interest
Most of her scenes ended up being cut, why even show her in the trailer if she's barely in it?
@@Madchimpzsame can be said with… never mind
I went to see this today, and personally, i really loved it. It was moody, gritty and i interpreted the musical numbers to be delusions inside Arthur's Mind. I think the backing violin(?) Music added to the misery of the whole thing too. Real brooding stuff in my opinion. I hope to buy this when it comes out, and watch both back to back, and see how they translate as one long narrative.
I agree. It was great. Joker 1 and 2 are like two sides of the same coin.
i enjoyed it, but dont think i could do multiple watches as compared to the 1st one.
Yup, people got too easily taken out by the musical numbers.
For me, as a music nerd, I actually enjoyed most of the numbers and the distorted and unkempt nature of some of them were interpreted as the evocation of Arthur's own disjointed mind. There are a couple truly touching musical moments, like when he started singing in the interview. I did find it a bit obnoxious the Sonny & Cher references, but I get the reasons Phillips used them.
Funny how when budgets go up, quality goes down. I wonder if that could be put on a graph?
Halloween 2 is one that comes to mind. Except Halloween 2 was still a good movie. This……this was below average
The director had a long Variety interview recently, and he was being awfully defensive about the budget, lol. He was like, people should be happy that he was able to get so much money out of the studio (portraying it as a moral victory that the meaniepants studio had to pay that much) and that they could hire a bunch of crewmembers who could now feed their families. What a weird couple of comebacks. As if the crew couldn't "feed their families" on the first Joker. And as if we don't all know that a bloated budget is often a sign of problems.
T2 though
I’m not the first person to suggest this, but it’s gotta because of money laundering
Limits breed creativity. When one has limited resources the most is made to compensate for things, but when given too much resources, they often don't know whattodo and waste it on thigns taht dont matter
0:35 “A SEQUEL IS BORN” was right there Jeremy. So close!
No no, that isn't comedy. That isn't humor. That's stupid and lazy
First 10 seconds- 😐 Me: "Oh boy...."
I knew this was gonna be bad but I had a small sliver of hope it wouldn’t be. That hope now has its face cut off funky town style
It's amazing just how bad and insulting this movie is.
The budget is like 200 million and it looks great but it's truly awful anywhere it matters.
It's like the movie version of sewerslide squad kill the justice league.
Watch the movie first before you watch his videos and see if you agree dont just watch 10 seconds and think oh boy you puppet
@@youruinedmymood it's called word of mouth you turnip, something that reviewers like Jeremy are good for. Especially if you trust them and have similar taste
The Joker sequel was like having someone taking a dump in your morning coffee💩☕😂
At least we have the trailer.
Face it... the "wrong type" of people loved and connected with the first movie and it upset Hollywood... So, we got this sequel as punishment.
Nailed it. This is Disney’s problem. It’s not about creating something great it’s about destroy what your enemies love.
the "wrong type"?
inb4 I wasn't a fan of Joker, loved Taxi Driver since High School 2 decades ago
geez hahaha
@@Btn1136This isn't Disney though 🙄
@@erikfinkel2717 you know what I mean... all the articles claiming this was "glorifying incels" and all the warnings that "something may happen at screenings" trying to scare people from going out to see it... the MSM attacked this movie prior to its release...
Most disappointing film? Here, I'll give you a trilogy instead. The Disney Star Wars Trilogy, that is.
That trilogy will go down as the most bizarrely bad in history.
Jesus christ I forgot about that trilogy why did u remind me ughhh and I'm a star wars fan 😂
Stop reminding us!
Really? While abomination such as Rebel Moon existed?
That wasn't disappointing. It was clearly going to be crap.
I was expecting Joker to go full John Travolta on the dance floor when I heard this was going to be a musical. Disappointed.
I would of been happy with a Grease like movie at this point. But this one is not worth watching. I'll just pretend this movie doesn't exist.
I just left the movie. What's wrong with you? This movie was perfect! I felt Arthur's pain through his songs and his desires through his imagination. BRILLIANTLY PUT TOGETHER!
The problem is not many people are attentive enough to make the connections.
I went with my pals and many of them were put off by the musical numbers and instead of trying to connect the dots they simply shut their brains off and started texting or cell stuff. I LOVED that melancholy side Arthur inflected into his singing, similar to Chet Baker. It was a brilliant move, it signaled the longing of a broken man.
The entire situation reminds me of the Steven He sketch about hollywood writers
"No, it's my life! It's my legacy! I can't let it be ruined"
*puts down money* "Now we both know your third yacht could use a third yacht"
I always appreciate how you convey your feelings clearly without spoiling the movie, Jeremy.
The movie sounds like what I was dreading, aka an unnecessary mess.
Aggressively so. Todd Phillips seems truly pissed by the success of the first film.
I feel like he actively sabotaged this film much like the the story goes with matrix 4.
0:11 wow you almost had it
You did pretty good
I believe he is disappointed
The letdown, tho. Yikes.
That was awesome😂
He went from Heath Ledger to Brad Pitt in the blink of an eye.
I have to admit. I walked out of the theatre too. Disney tried it. I cannot believe they created something so bad. This movie should’ve went straight to broadway. Gaga’s acting is top tier though 😂
I’m genuinely surprised people are surprised this movie is bad.
Why
@@alexl.4362once people saw it was a musical, most knew it’ll be bad
First one is bad, why would the second one be different?
@@alexl.4362 because the first one is one of the most derivative movies ever made.
@@VeniVidiVici100 I held out hope.
I knew it was a massive risk, I said to my friends this film will either be one of the best movies of the year, or one of the worst.
2:15 Just so we're clear, that is the only reason there are musical numbers in this film
Lol
Only thing clear is how clearly you’re wrong. Musical was announced in June 2022, Gaga didn’t sign on until August. Timelines are hard stuff.
@@kevinc8955 Can you point me to somewhere that has proof of this?
Thats not how this works.
She would have been signed on after the idea of it being a musical was locked down
Gaga has done acting roles which required no singing like 'House of Gucci'.
5:06 Did you just say Joker Fooliadoo ?
Probably lol
He did😂😂😂
3:23
Most people that were complaining about this new movie, were being tagged as "incels" because every person thought that by hating on the sequel, you are precisely hating on the fact that the new movie has a woman in the big role, but people seem to forget that outside of this internet bubble that they live, opinions and conceptions can't just be undermined like this, and that by not liking a certain aspect of the movie, you're not necessarily hating on the PEOPLE that are cast for that same movie. The entire concept for this sequel from the beginning was just really not for my taste... and having it being executed in a poor way doesn't make me any excited to watch it.
They tried that mess 5 years ago with the first Joker movie. Words like Incel are nothing but buzzwords that lost it's meaning. Basically, it is a catch all term for people who don't like criticism from fans.
@@lancethefilmguy9392
Yup, 2019 feels forever ago now. Back when certain words still had meaning and had "pointed edges" to them.
Buzzwords have been driven into the ground by being casually thrown around and over/misused so much.
Funny enough I do see the situation around this movie to be the inverse of the first one.
Whoever comes to the defense of this turd will be ignored or scorned at best.
My problem is that neither Joker nor Harley had a significant role in any of the film's events. They were mostly passive.
Harley is mostly in the background for the 2nd half of the film. She doesn't really do much to change the outcome of anything. I think it was implied that she planned the court bombing, but Arthur gets caught about 5 mins about he escapes...sooo that was kinda pointless too.
Our worst fears were justified...I hated this f*cking movie~!
You hate the movie and didn’t watch it 🤨
@@williamerazo3921they might’ve went to an early screening. Know a couple of people who have and they had similar reactions
@@williamerazo3921What makes you assume they didn’t watch it?
@@jeromevaleska2014it’s not in theatre yet
@@garenthal9638 Pre-screenings my friend.
*Yeah because literally no one asked for a musical. Like, no one.*
Yea I’m skipping this garbage and watching terrifier 3
@@Jump-Manis this another joke murray?
@@emmadrinksbleach3246 what are you talking about that
@@Jump-Man like are you fr? because comparing a gore p*rn movie with no substance to this movie when they’re not even part of the same genre is braindead. this movie isn’t that bad, people just don’t try to understand significant plot points. 💀
This has to go down as one of the biggest heartbreaks, probably of all time. I can't believe what they did, it's almost like they mocked the joker fanbase. UNBELIEVABLE!!
LITERALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is exactly what I wanted when I dreamt of a Joker sequel…..yeah, just kidding, if I want to watch a musical I’ll pop in Grease.
Grease is such a crappy musical
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'll pop in Grease 2😁
Don’t forget La La Land
Try The Music Man (im a band kid lol)
Yeah this movie sounded so unnecessary sequel
The first movie wasn't even that great. It was ok, but nowhere near as good as some people make it out to be.
@@robertmcelwaine7024it was great lmao. All of a sudden y’all don’t like the first one just cause the second one is trash
@@johnf4447ikr!
@@robertmcelwaine7024hater
@robertmcelwaine7024 thank you that first one was horrible I don't wanna see and joker movie without batman now they should have done a Joker movie with batman main in it but it's joker telling him and batman story from his eyes and who he thinks batman is.
The biggest disappointment I have ever had in my movie going life.
DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME!
What is "movie going life"?
How does it end?😂 I'm not gonna watch it ..just tell me if the rumours are true.
That bad? No way
Should I stay with just the first one in my mind and not watch this one ? 😂
@@TheFatboy714this movie is good for a deep think. It’s not Joker doing Joker stuff like everyone wants. It’s about the loneliness and fantasies of a mentally ill person.
Jeremy, you nailed it. Not much I can add to your excellent review. Yep, the musical numbers are tedious and don't add value to the narrative. Lady Gaga is a weak actor. A proper actor could have brought some fizzing energy to that character. Very disappointing sequel. Should have been called: Joker: The Musical.
THANK YOU JEREMY JAHNS FOR SAVING ME $45 DOLLARS FOR 3 TICKETS AND $60 AT THE CONCESSION STAND HAPPY DANCE 🕺🕺
Wow it would cost me about £27 for 3 tickets and maybe £10 each at most for concessions.
someone’s a fatty
Who buys concession? Bring your own snacks from the dollar shop.
100%
@@SalvableRuin personally I do like to always get something from the cinema each time I go, even if it’s just a bottle of water and a medium popcorn, as I know it’s the main way they make their money. As a big film fan I wouldn’t want my local cinemas closing down.
Thanks Jeremy! Appreciate the quick take, and fair warning. You never waste my time, and I can appreciate your directness. The makings of a quintessential critic.
I usually agree but with this one, please go and check it out. Watching it in IMAX, I think the movie was great
Movie wasn't bad perse. But it wasn't good either. Joker was a phenomenal and follwing it up with this movie was kind of a let down. Plus make it a regular musical. Jukebox musical get a bad rep Trolls, Strange Magic. When done right they could be really good. Mama Mia Moulin Rouge (kinda), but when done mediocily you get this movie. The numbers felt very half assed with no liveliness to them. Joaquin can sing. Watch Walk the Line. But here he sounded horrible.
they said they would only make a sequel if it was good enough and made sense to make..
this is either LMAO
They meant they would only make a sequel if they got paid a lot more this time.
*Neither
@@grimdolo918 Given how big the first one was they were always going to get a truckful of cash to do a sequel.
@@jamesatkinsonja Too bad they said they weren't going to do one originally. That's greed for you.
Was a good and intense movie about Arthur Fleck. The problem is, no-one wanna see another movie about Arthur Fleck. That's the Story of the movie and happens in the real world too XD
This movie was metacommentary of exactly that. The lawyer=Phillips, HQ=the audience, Arthur=the movies.
Movies were misinterpreted from the getgo.
Let’s be real his dancing wasn’t nearly as good as that Australian breakdancer at the olympics.
Even Arthur Fleck himself fed up with the singing scenes, saw him fedup at the end of the movie... Stop singing...
Lol, my husband said the same thing. I loved the movie, the musical aspect is the “fantasy” of a mental patient. He didn’t get it. But he never liked musicals anyway and I’m a theatre geek. I personally thought it was deep and touched on how we glorify anti-heroes when those are just caricatures of a real person with real issues. It makes people feel powerful and this movie destroys the power they want to feel with reality
Aye naw facts😂😂
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The way you explain the movie is why it sucked
That was the whole point of the movie
Coy from Reel Rejects says the same, it’s visually stunning but he probably won’t watch it again for a while lol. There was no clear message
And those guys shill for everything.
They didn't get a goody bag from WB. So of course they're not going to shill for this movie. 😂
@@Luis116 jahns didn’t shill for the movie either though, lol it just wasn’t as good as the first one I suppose 🤷🏾♀️
Can’t stand coy lol
@@grizzlygrimgaming1530 lmfao whyyy
Just went to watch this movie and walked out after the 100th friggin musical score with Arthur getting interviewed by some news reporter in prison. I was fed up. What did they do to this movie? It’s like every time you got invested into the action, they break the tension with some damn musical score
This is what happens when Harley Quinn isn't Harley Quinn and combined with musical. Creates a complete disaster.
I don't think Harley Quinn has been Harley Quinn in a long time.
There's nothing wrong with it been a musical per se. An animated episode of Batman with Joker and Harley in Arkham doing musical numbers is about as legit as it could get. And people would wank themselves over it. Problem with this type of film is they use preexisting songs and ham fist them in. Get an actual musical writer and do proper songs exploring the characters psyche etc.
@@changer_of_ways_999true but this movie actually did the opposite… Harley Quinn is a terrible person in this movie instead of the “misunderstood anti-hero” that they’ve been pushing for the past 10 years
This is what happens when DC has literally one good movie and tricks you into expecting more good stuff😂
They needed to do something different to differ it from Margot Robbie's version.
Crazy thing is, the musical aspect could have been really good, If executed right. Nothing would come closer to animated Joker than him orchestrating a musical, while brutally murdering people. They could have leaned into the circus setting too.
It’s as if they don’t put enough imagination into the writing
@@dareelantonio.3056yep
@@dareelantonio.3056 To be able to pull out a well made Joker Musical requires nothing less out of a mad genius. Someone who can handle the dark humor and twistedness of the character, being creative enough to handle the catchyness of music and contrast it with the horror the clown prince of crime could bring
But heh, what do i know?
@@lsebastian9086 I actually was quite exited when I heard it was a musical of Harley and joker. I thought it was very creative , what better set of character than a mad couple. But the execution was wrong. Right right it should’ve been given to a “mad genius”
If they focused on making Lady Gaga become Harley Quinn, and by the end get Joker out of Arkham, from his court sentencing with a sludge hammer hitting the side of the police van escorting Joker back to Arkham with both of them skipping off into the dark fog eerily laughing and leave it there, I think be alot better.
First Joker was solid, and honestly the trailer to this made me ponder... why?
I'll probably just wait for it to go on Netflix or something.
Like the Stones said: "You Can't Always Get What You Want", but this sequel is not THAT bad if youbtakr it as an indie film serving the purpose of closure for the first one.
I actually think this review is bad because the reviewer had too many expectations and honestly didn't get why the movie did what it did it the first place. I really get why they joker 2 is a musical, because they dive deeper into joker's thoughts and they let us see what's he really thinking. If you'll notice in the first movie whenever Arthur channels his inner psycho he usually dances, it's a medium for him to be free.
You NAILED it.
My enthusiasm was dampened when I saw the trailer. You've just poured cold water on any remaining interest I had. And I'm grateful - I'm happy to keep the first film in my affections unsullied by pointless augmentation.
Good call, I really regret not doing the same.
Why? I thought the trailer was INCREDIBLE, honestly one of the best movie trailers I've seen. I haven't seen the movie yet though.
@@luna-mo3ol The first film was pure character study, which is the kind of film I enjoy. The trailer for Folie a Deux suggested to me that more attention was being paid to production than to character, which is the kind of film I don't enjoy. The trailer is the reason I chose to watch reviews before deciding whether or not to see the movie.
@foreignparticle1320 That makes sense. I guess that's why I thought the trailer was great because the cinematography and music was amazing. Wish they could've focused on all elements
@foreignparticle1320 Okay so I just got out of seeing it..... I thought it was brilliant. I'm not sure what you mean when you say this one wasn't pure character study, because to me it seemed like it was even more that than the first one was. I thought that was kind of the entire point of it. Though it was a slow-burn, it was incredibly unique and like an arthouse film. Idk, I loved it 🤷♀️
this should have been a full fleged confident joker film breaking out of Arkham. focusing on his antics and wrecking havoc on gotham while inspiring a young Bruce to take action/train in the backdrop.. but instead the growth from the first film feels like it was done in vain.
Too bad hollywood only cares about "their" version instead of the actual comic version.
Are you going to review The Substance?
It's a fun watch but a very very very disgusting movie! The visuals are not just disturbing but really really disgusting. The concept was good and the plotline moves quickly so no boredom :)
That is like a Darren Aronofsky film on steroids 👍
What I've got from this movie is the actual 2nd degree reading. Was probably not obvious enough... Arthur keeps building up fantasies of him doing those things. And the musical parts are part of Arthur's mind. Music makes you whole is a say that got told multiple Times in the movie.
Gaga's character is what Arthur see of her. An enabler, a pure dedicated follower.
Based on those, its really Arthur going on trial with himself to decide whether he wants to be Arthur or the Joker. The ending tells that. A psychopath laughing to the depressed comedian wasnt enough to make a ton of people catch Up what the movie is about.
The cartoon at the beginning pretty Much tell it. Arthur wants to make people laugh to deal with his pain. But Joker is the icon, this dark passenger that gives him the ever wanted glory.
The original Taxi Driver was a much better movie for me, the reason Todd's remake made so much box office is because he just changed Travis Bickle to Joker and everyone fell for it. Next we'll get remakes of Dirty Harry, French Connection, Scarface, Escape from NY, The Shining but with the main characters switched out with namable super heroes / villains so that studios feel comfortable enough to greenlight them.
Taxi Driver is one of the greatest films ever made. It's not even a comparison.
😂 definitely
It did well at the box office because it was a good movie. Get over it
I didn’t mind it being a bit of a taxi driver rip off fort it suited the character well but I do get your point. With the sequel they should of just ran with their inspirations and made it more in line with scarface but instead we got a fucking musical literally what nobody wanted!
“Hey ChatGPT, give me The Shining but it’s the Riddler at Arkham Asylum…”
so also... this movie confirms that the first movie was real? it all happened... it's NOT just is in his head, for real CONFIRMED now? bc i thought the whole point was ... that we didn't know for sure what actually happened.
This sequel could very well be a dream from Arthur
No , it’s all real
I never got the sense that it was even questioned if it was real. They were pretty clear about stuff he made up in his head and wanted to do, and then the stuff he actually did. Imo
@@Spaxer yes. that's what i got from it too. i think the movie is kinda clear. but a lot of essays and commentators said it COULD be all a dream etc... so i got confused.
@@Cousinbiddy1 how do you know that its all real? ( if some thing in the first we thought it was real and now in the second its not) it as well can mean that in the second there things which are not real people are forgetting that Arthur & Lee are deeply insane and unreliable narrators
I forgot that Joker 2 was happening until I got the notification of the movie on my phone... But I have seen the reviews of this movie... I haven't watched the movie... But several reviews got me worried 💀
Perhaps this is what happens when a fanbase only pays attention to moments instead of looking deeper. If they had, maybe they would have seen that the core problems this film had, were already present in the first. Sure this one is less, palatable, but that doesn't mean the first was good or was setting up something else. This was the payoff, because it was what was set up. Most just didn't see it, and saw only what they wanted, like Arthur.
This confirms the point I try to make when anyone suggests I watch a musical: if I wanted to listen to music I’d stay home and put on headphones, not go to the cinema
I think musical is mostly outdated. It’s from a time that people couldn’t listen to music unless they played it themselves or heard it live. It still can be done but only if done right.
Hollywood is dying
I actually felt something with the first movie. Drained, sad, I felt empathy towards Arthur. The scene where he reads his mother file and starts laughing and crying at the same time. The scene with the Wall Street guys. The talk-show. So many amazing moments.
I never felt anything other than bored with this one. I actually wanted it to end. I did not like the singing, it didn't progress the story in any way, it just kept us wanting for what happens after.
They could and should have gone a completely different way with this.
I was really dissapointed.
Was scrolling down for the Joker 2 reviews, then up comes Jeremy's shell shocked face in the thumb. Had to watch 😆
I’m in the minority but I was so disappointed with Longlegs. I had high hopes and was so excited to see it in theaters but then it ended up being a meh experience. I still refer to it as “Cable tv crime drama/horror tropes with beautiful cinematography and a guest appearance of Nic Cage” the movie. 😖
I agree. I think Nick needed a paycheck and Oz needed a box office draw.
Agree completely. Was a huge let down, I don’t understand the hype at all.
Wouldnt say youre in that much of a minority, the audience score on RT is only at 60.
I liked it. The subliminal messaging alone, the blocking of the actors making satanic symbols. I was lucky that I saw the movie without knowing Cage was in it and didn't even recognize him.😅
I think I would have liked it if it wasn't so hyped. Someone said it was better than Hereditary... clearly it isn't. I think a real serial killer approach would have been better, imo. It feels like an indie movie. And it's boring as hell.
5:26 i knew that's gonna be his reaction. Theres something that i think that people are gonna say about the ending to this movie that they better not say that shows how terrible the human race is!!
The ending is meh. Not at all as controversial you are making it be.
@mrtoast3319 Yes,it is! I'm sticking with what I said! It's mean spirited and unfair 😒! Nobody can change my mind on that!!!!
@@mrtoast3319what happens with the ending?
@@mr.joshua6818 Super Mario Bros 2 gets shanked and Wario takes over.
@@strugglesnuggledslime7040i knew it
Irrelevant: I just re-watched The Dark Knight Rises again, and it has gotten better with time. Better than 90% of superhero films since 2012.
What Nolan, Richard Donner, and Raimi did with comic book movies will forever remain the gold standard! Today, it's more corporate than soul.
Throat cancer Batman was and is overrated edgy emo trash
Did you like The Batman (2022), or do you add it to the list of corporate movies?
@@Vivid114 I didn’t care for it.
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@@Vivid114I adore that movie
Bet in 10 years this movie gets a re-appraisal as a masterpiece. I can already see it. Big swing. Not a total miss.
I agree. Reminds me of The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc. I thought it was WEIRD when I first watched it. I liked the battle scenes so I watched it again. I finally understood where the director was coming from and the movie was instantly better. Most people won't get it. Once you do, it's trippy.
They made it a crappy musical because of how relatable joker was for some, and we couldn't have that. Remember how hard the media pushed the idea that people were gonna shoot up the theaters during Jokers run? "This film is emboldening incels!" And the like. It had to be shut down because.... uhh
Key take away, keep Todd Philips away from sequals.
The key takeaway is that some movies don't need sequels. Sadly, greed causes people to make poor decisions.
I would have preferred the hangover 2 here , instead he went straight to 3.
Pointless and completely unnecessary sure, but this was an insult to the audience.
A super aggressive poke in the eye is anyone dumb enough to trust Todd.
Probably should have named it "Quinn" or do a falcone stand alone mob boss movie. Since they're obsessed with giving us villain back-stories.
I enjoyed the film. Yes, it does not compare to the first, however, this film does a great job creating a layout for a third film. It was a film made in the perspective of Arthur Fletcher. He’s nothing insane, just bland. I loved the musical numbers because they felt real and out of sorts, just like the mind of what everyone can imagine is going on in the Joker’s mind. This film shows the side of Arthur that wants human values like love, but towards the end, he realizes the only way he can ever have love and fulfill his dream of being a clown is by being Joker. Arthur was killed, and all who is left is the Joker. But I can understand why people were outraged.
It sucks and numbers don't lie.
They betrayed their audience.
They can't even pay wages.
That’s entertainment!
Watching the movie with the closed-caption is awesome to understand how the lyrics fit the narrative.
Ha, ha - at 2:23, and if Lady Gaga has a clause in her contract that *mandates* music / singing. Kind of like John Travolta, and *his* clause, that *there must* be dancing!
She's done acting roles where she doesn't sing like 'House of Gucci'.
Can't wait for the scene where Jonkler starts beatboxing on Skibidi Toilet 🗣️🔥
Why so serious ,,, bo chaka chala bo chaka cha boo boo,,🤡🤡🤡
Back to the Aslume with you, sir
@@TA-zq3ezback to reality
It's funny seeing people suddenly proclaiming the first one wasn't that good lol like I don't even love that movie but it went from being extremely beloved to now something people want to let people know they think is overrated. Just funny how this can happen so many times.
I never liked the first movie. It was basically a remake of The King of Comedy. It was a Joker movie in name only.
It's an okay-at-best derivative film with a character everyone loves. That's kind of the thing with comic book movies - if they're not complete garbage, everybody freaks out over them.
I'm one of those people and I really don't know what to say the first one really wasn't that great either
Suddenly? Been saying it since day one. It's just that wave of praise it was given by the, let's say, less-discerning crowd drowned out the people saying it wasn't good. Now, 5 years later, when that wave has receded, and that same less-discerning crowd is now d-riding the new dumbshit movie (Deadpool and Wolverine), the voices of the people that disliked Joker are now being heard.
People were saying it was overrated in 2019
I enjoyed it. The ending with the heath ledger connotation blew me away
'People have come to see the Joker, not to see Arthur Fleck'
Not only in the movie, but outside of the movie
What does that mean? It sounds philosophical.
@@christofferjenzen78The second movie is a meta commentary on the cultural impact of the first movie. People here are upset about the direction they took with Arthur, and I think that was the point of the movie.
@@weed75black35 It certainly makes for some divisive viewing. Im not the biggest fan of the first and it seems for the same reason alot of people loved it and if this is somewhat of a takedown of the same culture Joker helped build...It would make for a very interesting conversation piece. Responses so far are hard to read, it's hard to know if people didn't like the point It's making (people hate to admit that ) or they just think the narrative is lacking. But I think this can be a great watch if you open your mind to it.
@@christofferjenzen78 I think the script itself might be a bit rushed, but the message it wanted to tell had always been there from the beginning. The second movie can come across as admonishing the culture the first movie created, but I didn't think it was made with the explicit intention of taking down Arthur. The first movie was committed to realism and so was this one. It showed a realistic outcome for Arthur's actions, though I understand it's not something the audience wanted to see.
@@weed75black35 Okay, you already saw it. So you would say It's good and votes are too harsh? Its probably gonna land at 5.0 on Imdb before soon which seems insane concidering the rating of the first one.
Now we got people in the comments saying the first wasn't good. god people are never pleased with anything
Ikr!!
I can see why they don’t like it, but their opinion is not valid in my world 😂
It was alright
The first was good as a realistic origin story. The second (honestly there shouldn't be a second), should be Joker becoming the clown prince of crime. Definitely not about Joker stuck in a court case
Tbf it was controversal from the release with many either not liking the premise thinking it gave a bad message or for not being as intellectually deep as they had hoped.
I loved it for what is was and the audience showed most did but critcally is was always mixed.
You should review two movies that inspired joker. Taxi Driver (1976) and King of comedy (1983).
He should review Stopping The Steal and prove he's not a giant hypocrite.
@@BeerMetal58 He doesn’t need to prove anything to a small group of random strangers on the internet who actually give a sh!t like you.
@@BeerMetal58 He doesn’t need to prove anything to a small group of strangers on the internet who feel the need to politically charge everything
@@mister-pinkman "He's a reviewer and it's a movie", right? Or are you a raging hypocrite just like him?
@@BeerMetal58 No, I just don’t personally care if he reviews it or not. You call me whatever you want, I’ll completely forget about it very quickly.
I was one of your first subscribers, amazing for you that you got 2 mil Subs! Good things takes time, for you, not for the Joker 2!
I see Jeremy's face in the thumbnail and immediately I'm like, "oh oh..."