On the staircase, where Harley tells joker she isn't interested in him anymore, she tried to break down in a song, and Arthur told her "I don't want to sing anymore." The entire audience in the cinema just erupted in applause at that point.
The fact they were SOOO adamant that the joker was supposed to be a stand alone film They dodged a bullet then literally dived back infront of the bullet within a fraction of a second
@@SilkSonic-c9z which avatar movies the last airbender ones or the blue alien ones, because the last airbender i agree but blue aliens had a fun but basic story and was more about a visual fun experience.
The movie was making fun of those teens with the joker profile pics, it's their way of saying "stop idolizing him, he's not a hero, he's sick, broken and pathetic "
“Joker, at last, we see each other plain. Clown prince, of crime, I’ll put you back in chaaaains”. “Before you say another word, Batman; before you throw me in Arkham again, listen to me, I have a joke for youuu”
I honestly don’t mind giving things sequels even if they’re not exactly needed, so long as it keeps a similar spirit as the original. What I do mind is making a sequel that completely disrespects the original movie.
the conspiracy out there is the director agrees with you and made a turd on purpose so he wouldn't have to make another while still picking up that check
When the first Joker ended, with the city in chaos, riots on the streets, and a certain wealthy family being shot with only the boy surviving, it felt like not just the origin of the Joker, but of the Gotham where crime and corruption never stops. From what this movie sounds like, it doesn't take place in the crime infested Gotham, but just a random city.
It wouldn't have been so bad if Joker didn't randomly die 2 minutes before the end, I was hoping he was going to get kidnapped by fans, stuck in an abusive relationship with Harley being the abuser and trying to use him as a figurehead to control everyone and then he realises he needs to stop what he started and the next movie goes into that.
@@mattbluh6903yeah the second film should have been him already charged with insanity, put into Arkham and receiving therapy, he seduces Harley through her suppressed inner demons and y'know like a reverse batman origin story
Blade Runner 2049 (though a different director than the first) is better than the original in everything aside from the amazing improvised Tears In Rain speech
it sucks too because the idea of tackling the concept of "hey incels took the wrong message from the first movie" would've been interesting to explore... instead we got a musical
This was an F U to the people who enjoyed the first movie. They didn’t want you to enjoy the first one, and you can tell by the way the media reacted to it’s popularity. They deliberately ruined this iteration of the joker as a form of petty revenge on the audience for liking the first one so much.
@@mariasol1545 oh c'mon stop copying this crappy opinion, I agree incels who took extremely wrong message out of first joker movie was really bad but the movie doesn't have to be centered around minority of audience who got the movie wrong and destroy the sequel entirely the bad fans shouldn't affect movies
@@mickflick8133Not exactly poor but their review is still bad. Transformers One is easily one of the best films of 2024 and my personal favourite of the year.
@@mickflick8133 they gave it somewhere around a 5 and made it blatantly obvious they didn’t watch the movies or at least pay attention. I recommend checking it out yourself if you want to know more.
The funny thing is that Todd Phillips already trolled Warner Bros. once with The Hangover: Part 3, and he went back and trolled them again 11 years later. Here's hoping he never gets another shot at a film ever again.
Ahh yeah, in hindsight those Hangover sequels were so lazy and slapped together they killed that epic 20 year run of blockbuster comedies we had. I still remember how baffled I was going to Hangover 3 and being treated to the blandest spy thriller of all time.
They did? Todd is smoking that cigarette right now saying this to everyone who didn't get it. Took hours after watching it and one Corona, but, even though I didn't like the direction they took, it worked. Had its own moral as the first movie had. Was heart-breaking but was well constructed. We were never watching the Joker. We were watching his influence. The joke was on us.
I had the choice to go to the casino or go see this movie. I skipped the movie, went to the casino, and won $900. Now watching this video makes me feel like a winner
It kinda breaks my heart... a raw dramatic take on Harley Quinn's descent to mad love in the same style of the first flick WOULD have been amazing... alas, t'was a fumble
This! They should have made this. Harley as the sole focus of the second movie. And if they did it right, they could have made it a trilogy, with their "love story" being the third movie. 😖
Harley is neglected by so many movie writers. Her trauma bond with Joker, from love to the realization he is a narcissist abusing her and subsequent emancipation is not only a great story - it's important. She discovers herself. She finds her worth.
Would have made the movie better that’s for sure. I’m really getting sick of people pushing for the character Harley Quinn. The character isn’t that interesting or anything.
Remember when Joker said "I don't want to sing anymore" at the end, everyone in my theatre laughed in agreement. The movie went nowhere, added no substance to the first movie, and the musical sequences basically paused any build the movie was going to have. Watch the first movie again and be happy guys, because this 2nd one isn't worth it, unless you're bored on a friday night
When songs are used to just reitirate points its just boring imo, just look at something like Hunchback of Notre Dame which was critically aclaimed because almost every song is dedicated to show off characters full traits and ideas changing, like in hellfire or where its used to show how the father indoctrinates quasimodo in "out there"
What do you get when you cross an amazing standalone film that you try to sequel and franchise-ify on top of treating it like trash? You get what you ducking deserve...
I'm still pretending this never happened. He dies in the car crash in the first film and the asylum with the light at the end was the afterlife. This, this was just hell for the audience.
Canon ending imo is he escapes the asylum at the end of the first and the rest is history in the Batman mythos. He's not exactly a criminal mastermind but his impact on Gotham was just starting
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 He was a hero to many Criminals,thats why he has such a big impact in Gotham City. if you like the concept of the joker i recommend you to watch the animated movies etc with him,hes an amazing character that this movie sadly destroyed
It does really sound like Todd Phillips didn't plan to make a sequel but he was offered so much money he couldn't say no. The budget for the sequel is 4x of the original
@@S.law96 Todd Philips just isn’t that good of a filmmaker. The Joker script was just him combining two Martin Scorsese classics (Taxi Driver & The King of Comedy) and subbing in the Joker character. Phoenix hard carried the first movie.
My favorite part of the movie is when Arthur gets shanked, and they guy that stabs him says, “you may be the Joker, but I’m Joker: Folie à Deux” absolute cinema
@@christophercruz1084 Joker 1 was just a Todd Philips slamming together two Martin Scorsese classics (Taxi Driver & The King of Comedy), adding the joker, and calling it good. Todd Philips was never a particularly talented filmmaker, and Joker 1 was carried by Phoenix.
Movie could’ve done something interesting with the “Harley only likes the joker, not Arthur” thing. Imagine Arthur starting the movie out as fully the joker and Harley falls in love with him and over time her love is making him feel somewhat normal again but he can’t stop stop being the joker because that’s what she loves and will leave him. He becomes stuck in a situation where what’s keeping him the joker is healing him at the same time and he doesn’t want to let go of her but he also wants to just be Arthur and for her to love him as that.
Why is it that I've seen like a dozen comments from random people giving 10x better plot points for the film than what actually happened? It's like they made it as terrible as possible on purpose... oh wait
You could have Arthur snap and kill Harley at the end in a completely psychotic meltdown, realizing that he's truly alone and lost embracing madness and chaos and becoming the irredeemable vilian that Barman is going to eventually punch in the face.
It would've been so easy to pull off as well. He gets arrested, court ordered therapy while in the prison, his therapist is Harley, over time she falls in love with him. In the meantime he has his trial, and flipping the ending, she sets up the explosion, but he tells her that he isn't the joker anymore and leaves.
@@remipoujoulat7759 some artists just aren't happy with what they were previously happy with, and if you give em a chance to undo it- no matter how bad it looks... they will.
@@remipoujoulat7759 Because its funny. He already got paid, and he never wanted to make a sequel in the first place I think. So why not just throw a bunch of different ideas together and make something strange
as a French dude, I initially thought this was the movie title that had been translated from English by our local cinema industry (which does happen often). I was really taken by surprise when I found out this was actually the original title.
Idem, jusqu’à ce que je me rende compte que «Folie à deux» est aussi un terme en anglais (emprunté du français) pour désigner le même phénomène psychotique. 😅
idk are you ppl just dense? do you just pretend to understand what the word irony means? this whole movie is about projecting your ideas onto others. there's literally nothing else in the entire movie. arthur rejects the idea of joker which upsets lee. she represents people glorifying the character of joker that stemmed from the first movie. all musical beats represent the fantasy of that character, the idealized martyr-became-punisher, that exists in the unconscious. it's hard to believe that the fact that he is killed by the twisted version of himself doesn't make you see that this is the case. the guy who kills him reduces joker to just the psychopath, saying that the clown is disappointing...
Wanna know how I got these scars? There was this guy who was the Joker and he was really cool and relatable to my social anxiety so I hurt him very badly and I became the Joker. Gold tier writing guys
“I know our movie studio is hemorrhaging money, so let’s take one of our most well liked franchises and completely destroy it” -WB, probably One of the most insanely cowardly films ever
Joker 2 is like the sequel to the book “to kill a mockingbird”. It’s like everything that we knew and loved about the first one, is completely tarnished in the sequel.
Joker 2 is made by rich 'progressives' who decided out of nowhere that the first Joker was 'gonna cause white men to commit mass murder!' which obviously never happened, they never wanted to make a good sequel, they just wanted to bash the character and everything the Joker represents.
"the first movie makes you question society and how the bullies are all in charge, the media didn't like that, so now we are erasing that to come back to the status quo"
Harley should have been a therapist like the original, having the Joker turn around a stable PhD smart lonely insecure girl makes him more menacing and "close to home" instead them just being two broken people inspired by each other...
The problem is that Phoenixs’ Joker isnt even a smart person so he really had nothing going for him other than society being broken like him and giving him their time pf day for it. Truth is this Joker was a failure from the start, the circumstances around him are what made him what he became, even though he was still a nobody with nothing smart to say
The movie was about exactly that what is happening in the real world, too: people discarding poor old arthur because hes not living up to some fantasy idea of what they think he should be
@@Wulfjager Yeup, same. The first one wasn't all that good to begin with. It confused me how much people hyped it up and talked about how "deep" it was.... didn't expect much from this one after the first trailer.
Remember when the first Joker came out and they heightened security at theaters because they were trying to will a "mass event" into existence...and nothing happened, and fights broke out at Frozen 2 screenings? Idk why that came to mind...but that's our history we lived in
the movie was the most perfect representation of a 5/10 where the money was obviously there but absolutely nobody on set was bringing any talent to it.
One of the parts that made me giggle is when Harley says something about building a mountain out of a hill and a reporter in the background says “what does that even mean?”
Isn't that usually the average for ok/bad movies? I remember seeing the average fallout of movies week to week, but I don't remember the numbers specifically.
@ABC-ik9vj what??? Do Trans people live in your head that much to where you have to shoehorn them in on random RUclips comments where it doesn't make sense? It seems as though you have some unresolved attraction to then to be thinking about them so often. God, I'm so glad I'm not a right wing freak like you.
Why cant people understand that this sequel was making fun of those teens with the joker profile pics, it's their way of saying "stop idolizing him, he's not a hero, he's sick, broken and pathetic "
It's actually not about the money. Hollywood elites have proven time and time again that they're willing to take a financial loss to tell us how much they hate normal people and their likes and values.
The biggest disappointment for me is that the ending for Joker 1 was kinda the rise of Joker, and the 2nd movie was a quick ending of Joker, which was so poorly narrated.
When are people going to understand that Arthur Fleck is not the actual Joker? He was the clown that inspired the true Joker… People hated this movie because they expected Arthur to have fist fights with Batman.
@@Veraro-s2cno no no. No fights with Batman. But he absolutely IS the joker. He calls himself the joker. People call him the joker. The first one was an orgin story
@@wolfwang8464”The Joker” became a Zeitgeist not a Person, which is Why Arthur disregarded it after his Homie in Jail Died Following the Ideals of The Joker
@@Veraro-s2c this is a fucking lie. Everyone in their mother knew that Batman wasn’t going to be in these movies, especially when the Directors actors and producers all said that he wouldn’t be in this movie.😂😂😂😂 that was a good try to lie though
@mariasol1545 Ughhhh more “incel”’BS … Joker 2019 resonated with A LOT of people, yes.. mainly men, yes, mainly lonely men, yes, mainly frustrated men… but not every guy is a fkin incel. Mental illness played a big part in it too, and plenty of women resonated with it too. The only “wrong message” that was taken was that Hollywood doesn’t want the masses identifying with people like Arthur, and a lot of us did… and they absolutely cannot have that. So we got Joker 2. Reduced to a feeble, weak minded idiot, manipulated by a women, then graped, dumped, and deleted. THAT is the message they want to make sure will happen if we even think about empathising with someone like Arthur. Use your brain.
@@Stoic_PoetI know! I was waiting for someone to bring this up 😂😂😂 I was laughing nonstop I just replayed it over and over and forgot about the rest of the review!
I literally just got back from watching it with my best friend for his birthday and I paid to go see it in imax and bought the most banger snacks and after we watched it he turned to me and said “this is the worst birthday present I’ve ever gotten.”
wtf? like is it even your friend at this point? Being mean to you because you wanted to do something nice for him is just mean. Its not your fault movie was shit. Imo bestfriends would just laugh it off and joke about how shit it was, not blame one another.
Harley being just a random person made no sense. I know it isn’t technically real but if they made Harley his lawyer (along with the mentioned-in-the-film masters in psychology), it would have made her role, obsession and relationship SO much more genuine and would have given ACTUAL reasons to her having such easy access to him. It also would have really made her feeling betrayed much deeper. She and Arthur could have used her degree and his charisma to prove him insane to get him out. She still could be manipulating him to become the joker she is obsessed with. It could have been so much more solid.
There was no point in having the music or Harley in this movie! Besides the whole pregnancy BS (she admits she lied about it) she adds zero to the overall story and serves as just another way to tear down Arthur.
dont see why everyone hated this movie. A true tragedy, his life ended as he lived. dying on the sidelines with no one caring. This is the reality of living. I suppose everyone wanted a naive marvel like ending where he really does build that mountain and triumphs?
You're right, that's why I think people hate it because it's not the kind of movie they're used too. If it aimed to an audience that liked, I don't know... Taxi Driver, Better Call Saul or something, instead of DC fans, I think it could have more possitive reviews, or at least ones not as bad as people gave. And I don't know, but have the feeling that people hate it for being a meme xdddd
Obviously no one is talking about it because we're used to it, after all he is a classically trained actor known for his roles in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 and Last of the Grads
@Vlaraktheimposter No it doesn't? Abuse can happen at anytime there's is no timeline for it nor does that reflect they think that, Yall need to chill on the weird narratives
Are you dumb, the song literally says "Thats Life", Life can't always go as you want, so he gets killed. Movie was just being realistic. LIFE SUCKS and it's too complicated and if you dont realise it you're mentally ill person, with so called "toxic positivity" @Vlaraktheimposter
@ChanceGuevara the analogy is a metaphorical way of comparing a majestic tradgey thats too beautiful to look away, to a tradgey that is simply pathetic to the point where you just question..."why was this made to begin with?"
@@SleepBeforeYouThink it doesnt make sense to compare the Titanic movie and actual oceangate makes more sense to mentón te actual Titanic🤣 Even then the actual Titanic being the analogy of the " based original" doesnt make sense either
This is a Joker origin film or a "false protagonist film." I mean the "real joker" popping out at the end (the psychopath) being foreshadowed in a few scenes. This is essentially petraying arthur fleck as just being somewhat of a frail involuntary martyr whose story shows real-life implications and a false image formed around him, creating his disciples. Now, one of his youthful desciples (the psychopath), who seems to be a real threat, looked at him with rose glasses. Until arthur exposed himself as somewhat of a helpess decrepit man. In conclusion, causeing a more sadistic individual, "the real joker," a character really in the background of the film to step in his place, all based on the image he fasley potrayed to the public. (This film was a masterpiece).
The idea that Harley is manipulating Joker was already done in the second Telltale Batman game. In it, John Doe is kind of being pulled back and forth by Bruce Wayne to become a good guy and Harley (who works for Riddler in this game) to become a clown-based lunatic.
I don't recall them ever saying Harley was Riddler's daughter in The Enemy Within. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure John Doe simply gives into his darker side if Wayne pushes him away. Harley has a little influence, but it's mostly Bruce's actions that dictate what sort of person John Doe will become.
@@Dylan-xx2tk oh yeah you’re right. She was his henchman / protege. And (spoiler) John Doe will always become Joker no matter what Batman does, although it’s possible for him to become more of a bloody, murderous vigilante rather than an outright villain.
I forgot about that storyline. That was a fun adventure. "Nice-guy" John Doe turning into Bruce's nemesis was memorable. The Joker is a relevant pop culture icon to this day is because you can do so much with the concept of chaos as an identity. It's just fun to write about, while also being able to explore fascinating delves into the ideals that drive society and law.
I did find it fucking hilarious when hes on the stairs and Harley (who they call Lee?) Just keeps singing and hes like can you stop signing and just talk. My friend and i were pissing ourselves laughing while everyone else was watching it seriously
@@xXbaker115Xx guess it's just too depressive, cause main character actually dies. And the musical part, like, why do you put a song and show us his fantasies 10 times or something, we got it. It seems like it repeats itself too much, and yep, I felt cringe when they started singing out of nowhere
@visiasch the signing was fine in my opinion just a bit to much of it and it felt like filler a lot of the time The movie was bad because it was a recap of what happened in the first movie. Un did everything the first movie did for the character If you watch it as a series movie and expect a good plot that progresses the story it's a disappointment. If you watch it as a comedy and laugh at all the weird random shit and the little expressions Arthur makes and quips its a solid 6/10
The thing that really pissed me off was they basically ignored all of Arthur's character progression in the first movie. The first movie was about a man descending into madness and embracing the darker sides of his mind. However, in this movie he abruptly starts out just as mentally sane as he was at the beginning of the first movie before he descended into madness. It's kinda like what Rian Johnson did with Finn's character in the Last Jedi. The writers just ignore all the development that the character went through in the previous movie and pretend as if it doesn't exist just to suit their own terrible screenplay.
@@Blackgriffonphoenixg I do think the stuff with Finn was Johnson's decision but I don't think it was because he is a bad director. He was just not the right person to direct a Star Wars film (or any film that is part of a long-running franchise) at all. He focuses purely on writing his own story and doesn't give a shit about how his film continues the story set up by the previous movies in the franchise. This is why he shut down all the potential plot threads set up in Force Awakens and wrote Finn and Luke to act in ways that do not line up in the slightest with how they behave in previous films.
Joker 2 felt like one of those anti-drug ads „Oh you like Joker? Well THIS is your life if you act like Joker!“ *proceeds to show you being a monster towards the helpless, bursting into psychotic musical numbers to deal with your emotions, getting gang raped, not being worthy of love and dont forget the stab attacks from random people
ENDING REVISED: Lee bombs Courtroom. Joker escapes, Lee sings Build a Mountain & must burn the city down. Tricks him to burn City Hall, but stabs Fleck atop famous staircase, both singing to death. La Fin
it sucks too because the idea of tackling the concept of "hey incells took the wrong message from the first movie" would've been interesting to explore... instead we got a musical
@@mariasol1545 so I actually enjoyed most of the beginning of the movie but eventually it just felt so slow and lazy that it was just boring. And the ending was a fucking disgrace. After like the first 30 minutes it just felt we where getting blue balled consistently. They could've don't such a good job presenting the iconic duo but they fucked it up like most modern day movies now.
This is what happens when a studio tries to expand on a film that was never meant to be expanded on, and the director is held hostage to do a sequel on a character he was never super comfortable with.
For Joker: Folie a Deux, Todd Phillips was given five years and a bigger budget. Most studios would've given him a year and a small budget. Phillips just made a creative choice that didn't pan out-it happens. I think Joker: Folie a Deux needed a producer that challenged Phillips creatively. But since there was no one to challenge Phillips, he went on to create a sequel that's somehow self-indulgent while being unsure of itself, all at the same time.
@@alexanderpabon2933 What a waste. The director is given time, resources and unrestrained freedom to do something and he throws a tantrum,while talented people who wish were given those opportunities arent even given a fair shot What a world
In case you don't care about spoilers: It's implied Arthur did nothing of the 1st movie, and it was all on his head and took the credit for someone else Arthur gets raped by prison guards And lastly he gets killed unceremoniously by some rando disappointed fan. The End
Wtf man that’s sh!t sucks. Could’ve make joker 2 just the joker starting to become more insane and hate Gotham with his followers and do something with that idfk
I think Todd and people associated with the original film got really uncomfortable by their own character and the overall message the original film told. All they would up doing was essentially recreating Taxi Driver with Arthur Fleck, and it worked profoundly well, or evidently a little TOO well. The message of "the real monster is society" in a film about a man's increasingly violent mental illness got a little too real in a world with so many mass shootings, and the original film got a lot of critical and often politically motivated backlash because of it. It's clear as day that Todd and Jauquin were very happy with their single art house type film and didn't really feel comfortable expanding upon a character as dark as that for a sequel. Then, as expected, they got put under tremendous pressure by the studio to make another film. Once they got pressured, bullied, or bribed enough to give a sequel a real shot no one felt comfortable making an even darker film than the first, so they basically rewrote the character into harmless regression of his former self so they didn't have to deal with the consequences of a violent character committing violent acts against innocent people. I understand why they felt that way, but its a real shame they didn't outright refuse or step aside to let another director take on the vision.
Well, the first movie was right them if it was "too dark" for society. Because it's a movie...we can't handle the topics presented? Seriously? How weak-willed are people this day?
They should have made Joker and Harley part of the problem that lead to where Joker went in the first movie. And then by the triquel, The Joker basically is Murray in the first movie, but even fucking worse.
Iirc Todd Philips always wanted to make an art film about how mistreated mentally ill people are in modern society. He only went with the Joker theme because comic book movies are where the money is right now.
If this is true. This is profoundly sad. The directors should be ashamed of themselves for doing this. If you make something amazing. Take credit for it and own up to it. It's actually pathetic to purposely destroy your own character you've created!
I disagree with your analysis. The masses bewilderment at this art piece is not surprising. I think it was meant to provoke an experience of what it is to be really mentally ill for only 2 hours. And everyone wanted out. Imagine feeling like that all the time. This is a great film.
On the staircase, where Harley tells joker she isn't interested in him anymore, she tried to break down in a song, and Arthur told her "I don't want to sing anymore." The entire audience in the cinema just erupted in applause at that point.
No way😂
Top ten things that never happened
Lmao, really?
@whateverwhatever4476 yeah it was the best part of the movie
Dude literally pulled a "then everyone clapped"
The fact they were SOOO adamant that the joker was supposed to be a stand alone film They dodged a bullet then literally dived back infront of the bullet within a fraction of a second
Welcome to cooperate greed
Bro that made me burst out laughing😂
I hate joker 2 for same reason I hate avatar movies
U will shove any garbage down our throats calling it an art movie without any story
@@SilkSonic-c9z i like avatar because it has big robots and flying constructions go boom
@@SilkSonic-c9z which avatar movies the last airbender ones or the blue alien ones, because the last airbender i agree but blue aliens had a fun but basic story and was more about a visual fun experience.
“Look how they massacred my boy”
Literally with this one
Is that the line? I always thought he said "look how they messed with my boy" hmmm.....gonna go have another listen.😊
@@shojaejlali1290 Wrong time line
Well used 🍻
No idiots…..that’s The Godfather quote
Somebody commented on the trailer with “this is like watching your wedding video after the divorce”
Based comment, lol.
Oh no😂
jesus
The movie was making fun of those teens with the joker profile pics, it's their way of saying "stop idolizing him, he's not a hero, he's sick, broken and pathetic "
Except the first already did that and Taxi Driver. The film did horribly. @@Alexcudedurex642
Can't wait til Joker 3 when batman and joker are singing a musical number while they fight it out
What Song would they Song tho?
Edit: i think My Heart will Go on would be good
@@DaRealFish1879Imagine the 60s Batman theme
“Joker, at last, we see each other plain. Clown prince, of crime, I’ll put you back in chaaaains”.
“Before you say another word, Batman; before you throw me in Arkham again, listen to me, I have a joke for youuu”
bro he's dead in the end
i got bad news for you
I saw it on a bootleg at home and walked out of my own house
😭😂😂
This comment is a bootleg
😂
i died at this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀
That was good lol 😂 🤣
5:55 I love the dramatic music when he’s found guilty like it was surprising in the slightest
Joker never needed a sequel. When will people realise that a great movie that tells a complete story doesn't need a sequel.
People realise it, but they want money
Yeah, it's like making a sequel to Forrest Gump. It's just unnecessary from a creative standpoint.
I think the idea has potential but the success level was very low
I honestly don’t mind giving things sequels even if they’re not exactly needed, so long as it keeps a similar spirit as the original.
What I do mind is making a sequel that completely disrespects the original movie.
the conspiracy out there is the director agrees with you and made a turd on purpose so he wouldn't have to make another while still picking up that check
WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE A MUSICAL
Musicals suck and blow
Because if you wanna make a bad movie you gotta make it a musical
How does bro hage a million subs but 13k views on his videos
@@antpastefeels like u’ve never seen a good one
@@antpaste musicals suck and blow (me) (i busted)
When the first Joker ended, with the city in chaos, riots on the streets, and a certain wealthy family being shot with only the boy surviving, it felt like not just the origin of the Joker, but of the Gotham where crime and corruption never stops.
From what this movie sounds like, it doesn't take place in the crime infested Gotham, but just a random city.
you wanna know what's crazy?
*I was crazy once*
*They locked me in a ROOM*
*A RUBBER ROOM!*
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You don't even see the city (besides 5 minutes at the end).
@@brace110 It isn't even gotham anymore, they changed the name to straight up New York
@@jded_404bro why are you just straight up lying 😭
@@lordboonga7089idk why i laughed so much at this 😂😂
It wouldn't have been so bad if Joker didn't randomly die 2 minutes before the end, I was hoping he was going to get kidnapped by fans, stuck in an abusive relationship with Harley being the abuser and trying to use him as a figurehead to control everyone and then he realises he needs to stop what he started and the next movie goes into that.
Would've loved that. What we got was just another misery porn film
Oh my god that would have been amazing
Joker was born 2 minutes before the end
That doesn't sound like the joker though
@@mattbluh6903yeah the second film should have been him already charged with insanity, put into Arkham and receiving therapy, he seduces Harley through her suppressed inner demons and y'know like a reverse batman origin story
Movie directors try not to butcher their sequels challenge any % run (impossible)
Disney trying not to make another sequel challenge and not fuck up an original movie (astronomically impossible)
Dune 2
@@sretslad1781 it was already planned out and it also has a whole book it is adapting...
I haven't watched it but I knew gaga would ruin it if nothing else, can't stand that woman
Blade Runner 2049 (though a different director than the first) is better than the original in everything aside from the amazing improvised Tears In Rain speech
The director fr said "imma make damn sure i dont have to work on a third movie"
You get the point
it sucks too because the idea of tackling the concept of "hey incels took the wrong message from the first movie" would've been interesting to explore... instead we got a musical
This was an F U to the people who enjoyed the first movie. They didn’t want you to enjoy the first one, and you can tell by the way the media reacted to it’s popularity. They deliberately ruined this iteration of the joker as a form of petty revenge on the audience for liking the first one so much.
screaming😂
@@mariasol1545 oh c'mon stop copying this crappy opinion, I agree incels who took extremely wrong message out of first joker movie was really bad but the movie doesn't have to be centered around minority of audience who got the movie wrong and destroy the sequel entirely the bad fans shouldn't affect movies
i think the biggest loss is seeing that IGN was *right* about a movie review for once and we all didn't believe them for Joker 2.
Truly, the most broken of clocks
I mean, given their Transformers One review, I think people are right to not believe IGN.
@@diseasedwombat5611 Did they give it a poor review?
@@mickflick8133Not exactly poor but their review is still bad. Transformers One is easily one of the best films of 2024 and my personal favourite of the year.
@@mickflick8133 they gave it somewhere around a 5 and made it blatantly obvious they didn’t watch the movies or at least pay attention. I recommend checking it out yourself if you want to know more.
The funny thing is that Todd Phillips already trolled Warner Bros. once with The Hangover: Part 3, and he went back and trolled them again 11 years later. Here's hoping he never gets another shot at a film ever again.
Ahh yeah, in hindsight those Hangover sequels were so lazy and slapped together they killed that epic 20 year run of blockbuster comedies we had.
I still remember how baffled I was going to Hangover 3 and being treated to the blandest spy thriller of all time.
They really pulled the "You wouldn't get it" meme from Joker on themselves.
Is it worse that he actually said that in the movie?
No, they called it folly of #2 or, this sequel will be stupid.
@@mandowarrior123it’s a French trope, it actually related to an old play where there’s a delusion shared by two people in close association.
@@mandowarrior123It means shared madness, and yes it sucks ass
They did? Todd is smoking that cigarette right now saying this to everyone who didn't get it.
Took hours after watching it and one Corona, but, even though I didn't like the direction they took, it worked. Had its own moral as the first movie had. Was heart-breaking but was well constructed. We were never watching the Joker. We were watching his influence. The joke was on us.
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Gambling is bad they said
@@LydonDavid9000 “They” is big casino they don’t want you to fake all their money, ignore them and spend all you money in Vegas 💰💰💰🤑💸
Bro make sure to bet 9,000$ next time ur gonna be the next Elon musk in no time
It kinda breaks my heart... a raw dramatic take on Harley Quinn's descent to mad love in the same style of the first flick WOULD have been amazing... alas, t'was a fumble
Agreed. Harley has the potential to be so so interesting and tragic but so many creators fumble it so hard
This! They should have made this. Harley as the sole focus of the second movie. And if they did it right, they could have made it a trilogy, with their "love story" being the third movie. 😖
Harley is neglected by so many movie writers. Her trauma bond with Joker, from love to the realization he is a narcissist abusing her and subsequent emancipation is not only a great story - it's important. She discovers herself. She finds her worth.
@@anonview nah
But would Gaga be a strong enough Harley to lead a stand-alone movie?
The only musical I'll watch is South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut.
No joke, the songs in this slap.
And Chicago
The High School Musical Trilogy is a banger.
And the Mormon one
Sweeney Todd is pretty good
It would’ve been a 10/10 if Batman came out of nowhere singing “Am I blue?!”
And if Harley sang Say We’re Sweethearts Again?
Wonder Woman approves
Justice League reference. Nice
with batman in this shit, it would make it a regular soulless dumpster like all the rest DC movies
Would have made the movie better that’s for sure. I’m really getting sick of people pushing for the character Harley Quinn. The character isn’t that interesting or anything.
Remember when Joker said "I don't want to sing anymore" at the end, everyone in my theatre laughed in agreement.
The movie went nowhere, added no substance to the first movie, and the musical sequences basically paused any build the movie was going to have. Watch the first movie again and be happy guys, because this 2nd one isn't worth it, unless you're bored on a friday night
I can recommend probably a LITERAL million better things to do with a bored friday night lol that's some extreme boredom
First movie was pretty overrated imo
When songs are used to just reitirate points its just boring imo, just look at something like Hunchback of Notre Dame which was critically aclaimed because almost every song is dedicated to show off characters full traits and ideas changing, like in hellfire or where its used to show how the father indoctrinates quasimodo in "out there"
@@Inbal_Feuchtwanger maybe, but at least that's better than this dumpster fire of a sequel
@@peartryThe trailer was better than the movie
Seeing the title of the video show up in my notifications actually hurt my soul
Same, it's sad
What do you get when you cross an amazing standalone film that you try to sequel and franchise-ify on top of treating it like trash?
You get what you ducking deserve...
Maaaan! I feel the same way I'm literally like dad dissapointed...
it hurt your soul that the expected outcome played out as expected?
Dude same…
This entire movie felt like a Christmas special for a disney film
I'm still pretending this never happened. He dies in the car crash in the first film and the asylum with the light at the end was the afterlife. This, this was just hell for the audience.
But didn’t he kill the one lady and escape while singing frank sinatra? That just doesn’t make sense
I like this, because the ending with the dance was not good at all lol they turned Joker into a hero.
Canon ending imo is he escapes the asylum at the end of the first and the rest is history in the Batman mythos. He's not exactly a criminal mastermind but his impact on Gotham was just starting
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 He was a hero to many Criminals,thats why he has such a big impact in Gotham City.
if you like the concept of the joker i recommend you to watch the animated movies etc with him,hes an amazing character that this movie sadly destroyed
No I think he survived car crash and went on to become joker
It does really sound like Todd Phillips didn't plan to make a sequel but he was offered so much money he couldn't say no. The budget for the sequel is 4x of the original
@@S.law96 Todd Philips just isn’t that good of a filmmaker. The Joker script was just him combining two Martin Scorsese classics (Taxi Driver & The King of Comedy) and subbing in the Joker character. Phoenix hard carried the first movie.
Really wouldn’t be able to tell. Because the whole movie has such limited environments. It feels like a low budget film really
How the flying fuck do we go from 55 million to 200 million,I hate Hollywood so much
@@Wolfbroa Making 1 billion at the box office is how
Guess everyone has a price lol, at a certain point I’m sure we all would do the same
My favorite part of the movie is when Arthur gets shanked, and they guy that stabs him says, “you may be the Joker, but I’m Joker: Folie à Deux” absolute cinema
It's Jokin' time
Its Jorkin time
Maybe the real Joker 2 are the psychos we got stabbed by along the way
It's jonkler time
He’s Joker 2, even
"They couldn't carry a *tune* to save their lives."
UGGGHhhhhhhh! 😩
Joker: Arthur Fleck falls from grace
Joker 2: Todd Phillips falls from grace
Lmao what grace did Arthur had in joker?
@@christophercruz1084 Joker 1 was just a Todd Philips slamming together two Martin Scorsese classics (Taxi Driver & The King of Comedy), adding the joker, and calling it good. Todd Philips was never a particularly talented filmmaker, and Joker 1 was carried by Phoenix.
Todd clearly didn’t want this
@@Morhpocelionatethank you
@@christophercruz1084 joker: violence fuck yeah woooooo
Joker 2: wtf is this I gotta actually think fuck that shit
Movie could’ve done something interesting with the “Harley only likes the joker, not Arthur” thing. Imagine Arthur starting the movie out as fully the joker and Harley falls in love with him and over time her love is making him feel somewhat normal again but he can’t stop stop being the joker because that’s what she loves and will leave him. He becomes stuck in a situation where what’s keeping him the joker is healing him at the same time and he doesn’t want to let go of her but he also wants to just be Arthur and for her to love him as that.
Why is it that I've seen like a dozen comments from random people giving 10x better plot points for the film than what actually happened? It's like they made it as terrible as possible on purpose... oh wait
That would give great depth to the character and it could be easily tied in to Batman and the wider universe. Oh well...
Very good dude a lot that can come from that and it deals with an internal struggle
You could have Arthur snap and kill Harley at the end in a completely psychotic meltdown, realizing that he's truly alone and lost embracing madness and chaos and becoming the irredeemable vilian that Barman is going to eventually punch in the face.
MUCH BETTER idea.
It would've been so easy to pull off as well. He gets arrested, court ordered therapy while in the prison, his therapist is Harley, over time she falls in love with him. In the meantime he has his trial, and flipping the ending, she sets up the explosion, but he tells her that he isn't the joker anymore and leaves.
@@dndelver yeah but from what everyone is saying, from several angles or others, it’s clear Todd Phillips wanted to sabotage this character and story
But why? Just why? What's the point of sabotaging it?
@@remipoujoulat7759 some artists just aren't happy with what they were previously happy with, and if you give em a chance to undo it- no matter how bad it looks... they will.
@@remipoujoulat7759 Because its funny. He already got paid, and he never wanted to make a sequel in the first place I think. So why not just throw a bunch of different ideas together and make something strange
@@remipoujoulat7759no one believed he was the joker tbh
Phoenix said he didn't want to make a sequel unless the script is perfect...
I wonder how much they paid him lol
Lmao
Enough for a year-long bender.
You trust....actors? Sorry, dude
That’s what they all say. Money talks 💰.
Enough for him to not care about his career
as a French dude, I initially thought this was the movie title that had been translated from English by our local cinema industry (which does happen often). I was really taken by surprise when I found out this was actually the original title.
Idem, jusqu’à ce que je me rende compte que «Folie à deux» est aussi un terme en anglais (emprunté du français) pour désigner le même phénomène psychotique. 😅
@@sarsoura8289 as someone on the psychology field, this. It's a medical term.
It’s weird, a line in the movie is “let’s give the audience what they want” while not giving us anything we wanted
🤣 Maybe that was the joke.
Totally on purpose 😂
They should've have played the credits after that line.
@@HeavyRaiden
the irony of it all ... Joker just wanted a good laugh for himself
idk are you ppl just dense? do you just pretend to understand what the word irony means? this whole movie is about projecting your ideas onto others. there's literally nothing else in the entire movie. arthur rejects the idea of joker which upsets lee. she represents people glorifying the character of joker that stemmed from the first movie. all musical beats represent the fantasy of that character, the idealized martyr-became-punisher, that exists in the unconscious.
it's hard to believe that the fact that he is killed by the twisted version of himself doesn't make you see that this is the case. the guy who kills him reduces joker to just the psychopath, saying that the clown is disappointing...
Wanna know how I got these scars? There was this guy who was the Joker and he was really cool and relatable to my social anxiety so I hurt him very badly and I became the Joker.
Gold tier writing guys
I wanna die now!!!
I had to use “hurt him very badly” instead of k*ll because YT didn’t like that and took down my comment
@@MintTea2005 kill
“I know our movie studio is hemorrhaging money, so let’s take one of our most well liked franchises and completely destroy it” -WB, probably
One of the most insanely cowardly films ever
Ai is actually in charge of everything
Got an ad before the video for Joker 2, before cutting straight to “Jinkies. That was not good.” I guess that sums up the video pretty well
“Top ten things that never happened”
@@beanjuice6012 how would you know
@@beanjuice6012That can absolutely happen, you know?
I literally got an add for joker 2 before this too
@@LegoMasterObiWanKenobi Lol i just met MoistCritical and shook his hand while typing this comment
Joker 2 is like the sequel to the book “to kill a mockingbird”. It’s like everything that we knew and loved about the first one, is completely tarnished in the sequel.
Elden ring reference?
@@SomerandomShmuck Maybe. Another word I'd use is 'tainted'.
Tarnished is just a real word.@@SomerandomShmuck
So basically “You were not supposed to like Joker, so here is a movie making fun of you for liking it”
Brought to you by media literacycels
100% as I would put it.
more like is not Joker just Arthur 😢 TF
Joker 2 is made by rich 'progressives' who decided out of nowhere that the first Joker was 'gonna cause white men to commit mass murder!' which obviously never happened, they never wanted to make a good sequel, they just wanted to bash the character and everything the Joker represents.
"the first movie makes you question society and how the bullies are all in charge, the media didn't like that, so now we are erasing that to come back to the status quo"
Harley should have been a therapist like the original, having the Joker turn around a stable PhD smart lonely insecure girl makes him more menacing and "close to home" instead them just being two broken people inspired by each other...
The problem is that Phoenixs’ Joker isnt even a smart person so he really had nothing going for him other than society being broken like him and giving him their time pf day for it. Truth is this Joker was a failure from the start, the circumstances around him are what made him what he became, even though he was still a nobody with nothing smart to say
On the contrary I think it was cool to see a different adaptation of Harley where she manipulated the Joker.
I swear I've read this exact comment word for word on another vid
The third movie is probably gonna be just about Harley Quinn
no.
This wasn't a sequel. It was a "Bad Romance."
I’m angry with you for saying that. Take my like and leave
gone
💀
This isn't the actual sequel, This is just a bad dream that Harley Quinn had.
gaa gaa ooh la la
The movie was about exactly that what is happening in the real world, too: people discarding poor old arthur because hes not living up to some fantasy idea of what they think he should be
The Joker was confusingly cool
The Joker 2 was bafflingly bad
First one was decent
@@mike04574I agree with this take. Honestly I found it kinda mid. I was surprised how much people loved it when it was just alright imo
@@Wulfjager Yeup, same. The first one wasn't all that good to begin with. It confused me how much people hyped it up and talked about how "deep" it was.... didn't expect much from this one after the first trailer.
@@Wulfjager Its just a worse version of Taxi Driver from Scorsese. The movie is beat for beat a copy. Not surprising the second film couldn't hold up.
First one was amazing
Haven’t watched the second yet
14:24 Charlie are you okay? Someone please call a priest.
I zoned out watching this and this actually scared me
He definitely burps way more than the average person
It helped me get rid of my hiccups I was laughing so much 😂
@@dianesilly2376 I let out the most childish giggle for an absurd amount of time
I couldn't stop rewatching this! He didn't even acknowledge it! 😂😂😂
Remember when the first Joker came out and they heightened security at theaters because they were trying to will a "mass event" into existence...and nothing happened, and fights broke out at Frozen 2 screenings?
Idk why that came to mind...but that's our history we lived in
I broke a toddlers nose to get in the theater, worth it for Frozen 2
history is truly a society of which we encapsulate
I forgot about this completely lol
People who watched the Joker movie are docile little dogs, people who watch Disney movies are vicious beasts
We live in a society😔
the movie was the most perfect representation of a 5/10 where the money was obviously there but absolutely nobody on set was bringing any talent to it.
One of the parts that made me giggle is when Harley says something about building a mountain out of a hill and a reporter in the background says “what does that even mean?”
Making a mountain out of a mole hill? Making something out of nothing.
@@bkhai1041i dont think she said mole hill. She just said hill
@@ryansteel8311 I haven't seen the movie, but I think that's the saying she was going for.
@@bkhai1041yup that is it
that person isnt too bright
What a fall from grace. First movie is still considered absolute cinema but sequel is shit
It was okay. It was basically a mix of two movies, the taxi driver and and the King of comedy two Martin Scorsese films in the from the 1970s
first movie was over-loved
I knew it was never going to live up or surpass the first one. As soon as I read it was going to be like a musical
the first movie was division when it came out
First one wasn't even that good. It was fine for what it was, but calling it "absolute cinema" is stretching it IMO.
I work at a movie theater, we were told last week that we're projected a loss of attendance of 41% from the expected turnout
Isn't that usually the average for ok/bad movies? I remember seeing the average fallout of movies week to week, but I don't remember the numbers specifically.
@@Mortiz21well it’s different because its a big budget dc movie 😂
@@ABC-ik9vjHuh?
@ABC-ik9vj what??? Do Trans people live in your head that much to where you have to shoehorn them in on random RUclips comments where it doesn't make sense? It seems as though you have some unresolved attraction to then to be thinking about them so often. God, I'm so glad I'm not a right wing freak like you.
@@ABC-ik9vj RUclips comments trying not to be transphobic literally everywhere challenge (impossible)
They turned the most dangerous villain of all time into a sniveling coward that can’t do anything.
Joker 1: A great film about The Joker
Joker 2: The whole film is a joke
I wonder if the whole movie would have been better as a romance musical between Joker and Batman (2 broken Man) rather than Joker and Harley Quinn
shy gal spotted
How does this comment blew up under a hour wtf
@@Cinematic_Studios84it was a good comment :)
@@x-rex7236hell yeah i would watch that. peak masculinity
Heath Ledger's Joker: it's not about the money, it's about sending a message
Todd Phillips: it's about the money
Why cant people understand that this sequel was making fun of those teens with the joker profile pics, it's their way of saying "stop idolizing him, he's not a hero, he's sick, broken and pathetic "
@@Alexcudedurex642 think people understand that. They just didnt want that.
It's actually not about the money. Hollywood elites have proven time and time again that they're willing to take a financial loss to tell us how much they hate normal people and their likes and values.
@@Alexcudedurex642 making a 200m movie and flopped so hard just to make fun of teens is the most dumbest take LOL
Yall are so wrong it hurts. If it was about the money, this film would have been made for the people, and no one would hate it this widely.
The biggest disappointment for me is that the ending for Joker 1 was kinda the rise of Joker, and the 2nd movie was a quick ending of Joker, which was so poorly narrated.
When are people going to understand that Arthur Fleck is not the actual Joker? He was the clown that inspired the true Joker… People hated this movie because they expected Arthur to have fist fights with Batman.
@@Veraro-s2c no people hate this movie because it sucks
@@Veraro-s2cno no no. No fights with Batman. But he absolutely IS the joker. He calls himself the joker. People call him the joker. The first one was an orgin story
@@wolfwang8464”The Joker” became a Zeitgeist not a Person, which is Why Arthur disregarded it after his Homie in Jail Died Following the Ideals of The Joker
@@Veraro-s2c this is a fucking lie. Everyone in their mother knew that Batman wasn’t going to be in these movies, especially when the Directors actors and producers all said that he wouldn’t be in this movie.😂😂😂😂 that was a good try to lie though
That burping men cut me off guard 😂😂😂😂
"Your film executives were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
This could be said for literally any piece of entertainment production lately.
Jurrasic Park reference?
Not from the front, but from the side
Ian Malcolm. Jurassic Park. Masterpiece.
@mariasol1545 Ughhhh more “incel”’BS … Joker 2019 resonated with A LOT of people, yes.. mainly men, yes, mainly lonely men, yes, mainly frustrated men… but not every guy is a fkin incel. Mental illness played a big part in it too, and plenty of women resonated with it too. The only “wrong message” that was taken was that Hollywood doesn’t want the masses identifying with people like Arthur, and a lot of us did… and they absolutely cannot have that. So we got Joker 2. Reduced to a feeble, weak minded idiot, manipulated by a women, then graped, dumped, and deleted. THAT is the message they want to make sure will happen if we even think about empathising with someone like Arthur. Use your brain.
Never let my man Todd Phillips direct a sequel ever again.
Bro is worse than jack snyder.
Well and the writing was bad too, so don't let those writers write again.
He never wanted to make a sequel anyway
Not even God can stop him from missing relentlessly.
@@josevictorribeirolisboa7576 I don’t know if I’d go that far
14:24 this was almost as out of nowhere as the bomb in the courtroom scene
Jumpscare
i laughed sooo hard 😂😂 how is no one talking about it
@@Stoic_PoetI know! I was waiting for someone to bring this up 😂😂😂 I was laughing nonstop I just replayed it over and over and forgot about the rest of the review!
That was more entertaining than the whole movie. 🤣
the bomb was the only dc-esque part in the movie so im not even mad.. but the rest.. LOL
3:00 I didn't know Charlie was so gifted
"...if i sleep with an itchy ass, my finger will stiiiiiink"
dat falsetto tho
Bars
🔥🔥🔥
Wait how do you know this?
That made me laugh!
I literally just got back from watching it with my best friend for his birthday and I paid to go see it in imax and bought the most banger snacks and after we watched it he turned to me and said “this is the worst birthday present I’ve ever gotten.”
😢
Such a sad turn of fate, I feel for you bro
Sorry to hear man. I hope those snacks at least made up for it
wtf? like is it even your friend at this point? Being mean to you because you wanted to do something nice for him is just mean. Its not your fault movie was shit. Imo bestfriends would just laugh it off and joke about how shit it was, not blame one another.
@@januschytrus1012 okay, it lacked context but he meant it as a joke we still went on to have a good night.
Harley being just a random person made no sense. I know it isn’t technically real but if they made Harley his lawyer (along with the mentioned-in-the-film masters in psychology), it would have made her role, obsession and relationship SO much more genuine and would have given ACTUAL reasons to her having such easy access to him. It also would have really made her feeling betrayed much deeper. She and Arthur could have used her degree and his charisma to prove him insane to get him out. She still could be manipulating him to become the joker she is obsessed with. It could have been so much more solid.
I don’t think that’s would fix the movie but that would be way more compelling
There was no point in having the music or Harley in this movie! Besides the whole pregnancy BS (she admits she lied about it) she adds zero to the overall story and serves as just another way to tear down Arthur.
A lawyer with no degree in law? Neat.
I dont mind it if it would produce a good movie.
@@graybonesau she would’ve been an actual lawyer lol
Best part of Joker 2 is when Joker approaches Harley dancing and singing: "Hello my baby, Hello My darlin, Hello my Ragtime Gal!"
That sounds more like Joker than anything in either film.
@@rpsyco No it doesn't
Check please!
Send me a kiss by wire! 🗣️🗣️
@@chillin7934 no it really does seem like something Heath ledger joker would do right before murdering someone
“Sequels will never be good as the original”…..*looks at Shrek 2*
It's a cartoon!!
Puss and Boots: The Last Wish
Kung Fu Panda 2
Hm, noticing a pattern here
Spider-Man 2
The Dark Knight
T2: Judgement Day
Silence of the Lambs
Toy Story 2, and then 3
Please go watch the SNL skit -shrek family dinner .. and get back to me when you’re done laughing
Maybe the real joker is the shanks we took a long the way.
😂
😅😂
bruh wtf ahah
One piece reference?!?!?!
@@Oopsydoodlesthe second I read this comment I knew someone was gonna say it
dont see why everyone hated this movie. A true tragedy, his life ended as he lived. dying on the sidelines with no one caring. This is the reality of living. I suppose everyone wanted a naive marvel like ending where he really does build that mountain and triumphs?
You're right, that's why I think people hate it because it's not the kind of movie they're used too.
If it aimed to an audience that liked, I don't know... Taxi Driver, Better Call Saul or something, instead of DC fans, I think it could have more possitive reviews, or at least ones not as bad as people gave.
And I don't know, but have the feeling that people hate it for being a meme xdddd
Because it fucking sucked
naw, it was bad.
@@memibrowne1945real
Few people grasp and appreciate tragedies. Simple as.
This is the Joker's Megamind 2. Both great movies that didn't need a sequel.
Real
Megamind had a sequel?
@Neopumper666 No it didn't. There is no Megamind sequel nor is there a Megamind show.
@@Neopumper666 No it didn’t. There is no Megamind sequel nor is there a Megamind show.
@@Neopumper666 No it didn't. There is no Megamind sequel nor is there a Megamind show.
Joker 2019 is basically winning a 100,000 scholarship and Joker 2 is winning Best Attendance Award.
They don't even get an award.
All they got was a participation ribbon
@@RandomTrash-re5eq this
Second best attendance, first still goes to Borderlands this year b
"I won't do another movie unless the script is perfect." - Phoenix
WB: 💰💸
Phoenix: 🤑
Hollywood actor. Never trust a single thing they say. They're all rotten to the core.
I bet WB showed him a different script than the one we got by the end of production. Fox did a similar thing to Sigourney Weaver for Alien 3.
His vegan brain likes anything green
Everyones got their price
Actors don't really decide anything on scripts and scripts can change several times
14:25 I wasn’t ready for this. I choked on my lunch lmao 🤣🤣🤣
A Joker prison-break movie. It was right there 🤦🏿
Didn’t think I’d see you here Primm what’s the next video
@@seanbhagwandeen802 Doing obscure add hood cartoons next lol. MC Hammer cartoon 😭😭
That would have been sick oh well
You're an all star!! ✨✨
Tf would that message be
Nobody gonna talk about Charlie's performance at 2:48? That was probably better than the musical scenes in the movie
I was not expecting that last note lmao
Obviously no one is talking about it because we're used to it, after all he is a classically trained actor known for his roles in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 and Last of the Grads
And very relatable lyrics
Shut up cornball
Do not gaslight yourself, please.
The joker gets raped? Really they thought that was good direction for this story? This feels almost spiteful by the creator...
Todd doesn't want to come back for a 3rd
it almost feels like a meta commentary...
@Vlaraktheimposter No it doesn't? Abuse can happen at anytime there's is no timeline for it nor does that reflect they think that,
Yall need to chill on the weird narratives
Are you dumb, the song literally says "Thats Life", Life can't always go as you want, so he gets killed. Movie was just being realistic. LIFE SUCKS and it's too complicated and if you dont realise it you're mentally ill person, with so called "toxic positivity" @Vlaraktheimposter
@@dakarai47Yeah fr that’s a weird ass take lol
thanks for the singing segment you did better than any of the musical numbers in the movie
14:24 When the movie is so bad even the demon trapped inside you leaves
Best way to exorcise one's own self. 👻
Bruhhh 😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
☠️☠️☠️
trusting warner bros to make a good movie is like trusting diddy to babysit your kids
Lil bit wacky analysis but gets the point across 😂😂
Hey, I like Diddy Kong! He’s a great Nintendo character
😂
There was only adults at party
@@ronnierebel6388 Diddy sexually assaulted a 9 yo
Joker 1 was Titanic
Joker 2 was OceanGate
Uhhhhh what exactly was good about the Titanic orignally😂
@@ChanceGuevaraLeo was great, and the scenes where the Titanic was sinking were action packed and insane.
@ChanceGuevara the analogy is a metaphorical way of comparing a majestic tradgey thats too beautiful to look away, to a tradgey that is simply pathetic to the point where you just question..."why was this made to begin with?"
@@SleepBeforeYouThink oceangate isnt a movie though lol
@@SleepBeforeYouThink it doesnt make sense to compare the Titanic movie and actual oceangate makes more sense to mentón te actual Titanic🤣 Even then the actual Titanic being the analogy of the " based original" doesnt make sense either
This is a Joker origin film or a "false protagonist film." I mean the "real joker" popping out at the end (the psychopath) being foreshadowed in a few scenes. This is essentially petraying arthur fleck as just being somewhat of a frail involuntary martyr whose story shows real-life implications and a false image formed around him, creating his disciples. Now, one of his youthful desciples (the psychopath), who seems to be a real threat, looked at him with rose glasses. Until arthur exposed himself as somewhat of a helpess decrepit man. In conclusion, causeing a more sadistic individual, "the real joker," a character really in the background of the film to step in his place, all based on the image he fasley potrayed to the public. (This film was a masterpiece).
Nah it’s dog water
The idea that Harley is manipulating Joker was already done in the second Telltale Batman game. In it, John Doe is kind of being pulled back and forth by Bruce Wayne to become a good guy and Harley (who works for Riddler in this game) to become a clown-based lunatic.
I don't recall them ever saying Harley was Riddler's daughter in The Enemy Within. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure John Doe simply gives into his darker side if Wayne pushes him away. Harley has a little influence, but it's mostly Bruce's actions that dictate what sort of person John Doe will become.
@@Dylan-xx2tk oh yeah you’re right. She was his henchman / protege. And (spoiler) John Doe will always become Joker no matter what Batman does, although it’s possible for him to become more of a bloody, murderous vigilante rather than an outright villain.
@@Harpagiothat’s because Tell Tale is ass at making choices matter
The vigilante Joker story was way more interesting than the obvious villain side with Quinn.
I forgot about that storyline. That was a fun adventure. "Nice-guy" John Doe turning into Bruce's nemesis was memorable.
The Joker is a relevant pop culture icon to this day is because you can do so much with the concept of chaos as an identity. It's just fun to write about, while also being able to explore fascinating delves into the ideals that drive society and law.
I did find it fucking hilarious when hes on the stairs and Harley (who they call Lee?) Just keeps singing and hes like can you stop signing and just talk. My friend and i were pissing ourselves laughing while everyone else was watching it seriously
It was not a joke. He just wanted to be normal and live a normal life and it just sucked too much. Dummy
I wonder if you were in my theater because I heard some laughing
@@visiasch the movie is bad unless you laugh at it
@@xXbaker115Xx guess it's just too depressive, cause main character actually dies. And the musical part, like, why do you put a song and show us his fantasies 10 times or something, we got it. It seems like it repeats itself too much, and yep, I felt cringe when they started singing out of nowhere
@visiasch the signing was fine in my opinion just a bit to much of it and it felt like filler a lot of the time
The movie was bad because it was a recap of what happened in the first movie. Un did everything the first movie did for the character
If you watch it as a series movie and expect a good plot that progresses the story it's a disappointment. If you watch it as a comedy and laugh at all the weird random shit and the little expressions Arthur makes and quips its a solid 6/10
The thing that really pissed me off was they basically ignored all of Arthur's character progression in the first movie. The first movie was about a man descending into madness and embracing the darker sides of his mind. However, in this movie he abruptly starts out just as mentally sane as he was at the beginning of the first movie before he descended into madness.
It's kinda like what Rian Johnson did with Finn's character in the Last Jedi. The writers just ignore all the development that the character went through in the previous movie and pretend as if it doesn't exist just to suit their own terrible screenplay.
Yes
Super unfortunate when a sequel tears down the foundations of the original instead of building on those foundations
Painfully accurate
I feel that was more Disney Executive Meddling(tm) than Johnson. Especially when compared to the absolute bangers Rian did outside of Star Wars.
@@Blackgriffonphoenixg I do think the stuff with Finn was Johnson's decision but I don't think it was because he is a bad director.
He was just not the right person to direct a Star Wars film (or any film that is part of a long-running franchise) at all.
He focuses purely on writing his own story and doesn't give a shit about how his film continues the story set up by the previous movies in the franchise.
This is why he shut down all the potential plot threads set up in Force Awakens and wrote Finn and Luke to act in ways that do not line up in the slightest with how they behave in previous films.
We should have known trouble was a-brewing when they announced that it would be a musical.
The scene where Joker says "Its Joking time" and Joked everywhere😢 Truly a masterpiece
Absolute cinema ✋🤚
Someone's living in the past
made me b̶u̶s̶t̶ cry 🥹 such words
Then when Morbius randomly shows up and dances with Joker is wild. The theater went crazy.
Yes
The way Charlie describes the ending feels alot like "And somehow Palpatine returned"
Uhh how? We always knew this dude wasn't the joker
Is a nice ending if the movie was just about the trial and Joker doing crime.
Joker 2 felt like one of those anti-drug ads
„Oh you like Joker? Well THIS is your life if you act like Joker!“ *proceeds to show you being a monster towards the helpless, bursting into psychotic musical numbers to deal with your emotions, getting gang raped, not being worthy of love and dont forget the stab attacks from random people
ok so they did grape him? i wasn’t sure if i read into that too much
@@chanellemartin5463 Indicated
it's a punishment to those who related to joker to not want to relate to him anymore
I mean thats a good motif
That literally happened.
His name is Gypsy Crusader and he's the guy from all the Sigma Joker memes.
ENDING REVISED: Lee bombs Courtroom. Joker escapes, Lee sings Build a Mountain & must burn the city down. Tricks him to burn City Hall, but stabs Fleck atop famous staircase, both singing to death. La Fin
I just watched this 15 mins ago on a Marine base. THE ENTIRE FUCKING THEATER SCREAMED IN DISBELIEF AND ANGER AT THR END.
Bullshit
Just watched at Navy base nobody said shit.
it sucks too because the idea of tackling the concept of "hey incells took the wrong message from the first movie" would've been interesting to explore... instead we got a musical
@@mariasol1545 so I actually enjoyed most of the beginning of the movie but eventually it just felt so slow and lazy that it was just boring. And the ending was a fucking disgrace. After like the first 30 minutes it just felt we where getting blue balled consistently. They could've don't such a good job presenting the iconic duo but they fucked it up like most modern day movies now.
My man is so used to being called a liar for mentioning his cool job, he's not even willing to argue anymore
This is what happens when a studio tries to expand on a film that was never meant to be expanded on, and the director is held hostage to do a sequel on a character he was never super comfortable with.
For Joker: Folie a Deux, Todd Phillips was given five years and a bigger budget. Most studios would've given him a year and a small budget. Phillips just made a creative choice that didn't pan out-it happens. I think Joker: Folie a Deux needed a producer that challenged Phillips creatively. But since there was no one to challenge Phillips, he went on to create a sequel that's somehow self-indulgent while being unsure of itself, all at the same time.
Held hostage? this is entirely his fault tbh.
@@alexanderpabon2933 Agreed, seems like the case where director got unrestricted creative freedom whilst lacking a coherent vision.
@@alexanderpabon2933 What a waste. The director is given time, resources and unrestrained freedom to do something and he throws a tantrum,while talented people who wish were given those opportunities arent even given a fair shot
What a world
He wasn’t held hostage. Stop licking the Director’s balls lmao.
He agreed because they were offering him a boat load of money. Same with the actors.
Thank god Pacific Rim and Joker never got any sequels.
Yeah…
Wait…
Just like how there's only 8 seasons of Scrubs
Or like how that suicide squad game that definitely doesnt exist was never made @@A.Mortem
Same with Megamind.
Never saw the second but Pacific Rim already sucked
In case you don't care about spoilers:
It's implied Arthur did nothing of the 1st movie, and it was all on his head and took the credit for someone else
Arthur gets raped by prison guards
And lastly he gets killed unceremoniously by some rando disappointed fan.
The End
No way
he got killed by Heath Ledger's Joker
You’re kidding. This is seriously the end of the movie? The hell were they thinking?
@@KanyeBiologicalSon Except as people have pointed out none of that lines up so it's just a terrible coattail riding homage
Wtf man that’s sh!t sucks. Could’ve make joker 2 just the joker starting to become more insane and hate Gotham with his followers and do something with that idfk
Have you noticed how now movies seem to be just annoying on purpose like they are angry at you for some reason?
Same reason why I stopped going to movies, it just isn’t fun like it used to be
Same and it was my favorite hobby @@JuanJimenez.
@@JuanJimenez.The Wild Robot and Transformers One are worth it watch those 2
That was literally the point of it
Don't fight me I am small
they were so angry that nobody committed an atrocity at the premier of the first movie that they had to make one themselves
best comment i’ve seen yet
LMAO
Absolutely best comment on here.
This is real lol, Hollywood is the real Joker.
that is the best review of this movie i have seen so far LMFAO
Highschool musical does a better job at connecting the music to the plot
"I used to think my life was a sigma grindset. But now I realise, it's a goofy goober."
- Joker: Un Chien Andalou (1929)
An Andalusian Dog.
I like the post credit is just him saying "je suis le jonkler"
Chien andalou c’est fou 😂
I get all those references
gem
I like when Harley said "deux the dew" and folied all over the place.
More like Todd dropped a fat deux
Bruh 😂
3:06 *beautiful*
😂😂😂😂😂
Lolll
Better than Joker 2 for sure
😂😂
"When I sleep with an itchy ass, my finger will stiinnnnkkkk"
- Charlie 2024
I'm totally agree that the best scene would be Gary’s part. I just cried about his words.
I think Todd and people associated with the original film got really uncomfortable by their own character and the overall message the original film told.
All they would up doing was essentially recreating Taxi Driver with Arthur Fleck, and it worked profoundly well, or evidently a little TOO well.
The message of "the real monster is society" in a film about a man's increasingly violent mental illness got a little too real in a world with so many mass shootings, and the original film got a lot of critical and often politically motivated backlash because of it.
It's clear as day that Todd and Jauquin were very happy with their single art house type film and didn't really feel comfortable expanding upon a character as dark as that for a sequel. Then, as expected, they got put under tremendous pressure by the studio to make another film.
Once they got pressured, bullied, or bribed enough to give a sequel a real shot no one felt comfortable making an even darker film than the first, so they basically rewrote the character into harmless regression of his former self so they didn't have to deal with the consequences of a violent character committing violent acts against innocent people.
I understand why they felt that way, but its a real shame they didn't outright refuse or step aside to let another director take on the vision.
Well, the first movie was right them if it was "too dark" for society. Because it's a movie...we can't handle the topics presented? Seriously? How weak-willed are people this day?
They should have made Joker and Harley part of the problem that lead to where Joker went in the first movie.
And then by the triquel, The Joker basically is Murray in the first movie, but even fucking worse.
Iirc Todd Philips always wanted to make an art film about how mistreated mentally ill people are in modern society. He only went with the Joker theme because comic book movies are where the money is right now.
@@tetsuoakira8294the con people can't handle anything, cry and act like a victim at a moment's notice despite their own cruelty
If this is true. This is profoundly sad. The directors should be ashamed of themselves for doing this. If you make something amazing. Take credit for it and own up to it. It's actually pathetic to purposely destroy your own character you've created!
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We need to see Charlie in a musical 2:54 😅
I stiiiiiink 🥴☝️
I disagree with your analysis.
The masses bewilderment at this art piece is not surprising. I think it was meant to provoke an experience of what it is to be really mentally ill for only 2 hours. And everyone wanted out.
Imagine feeling like that all the time.
This is a great film.
14:24 that burp, and the way you stuck the landing afterwards, that was art
Literally 😭
Almost as out of nowhere as the bomb in the courtroom scene
😂😂😂
Scared tf out of me💀
thought i was the only one who caught that lowkey jump scared me
Welp, time to convince myself this is not canon
Edit: I encourage anyone reading this to check out the wild robot
Unfortunately, this will be a canon event forever now.
What canon? And who cares?
Movies that I don’t like I just pretend that they’re not canon
Im just gonna pretend that arthur just halucinating.
That's how I felt about the first Joker.