Lol. I AM a 250lb berm slapper and Ive never had any issues with my SB 150. Although I would have to agree about the rear tire clearance being tight...I wouldn't go anything over a 2.4 back there.
Would that flex be from the rear triangle or the wheel itself? I have a V2 Bronson CC and I can flex the wheel in a similar way; it doesn't touch the seat stay but definitely flexes....would love to hear/see more on the flex on the SB150!
I’m looking for a long travel 29 like the SB150. I’ve narrowed it down to 3 bikes: The Yeti SB150, the Ibis Ripmo, and the Pivot Firebird 29. Just wondering if you can do a side by each review of the three bikes?
More of this, we need frames with lots of reach for us tall people, and 29ers with 160mm + travel and 170 forks, finally the manufactures are catching on! p&t
Luke yeah poor Ritchie Rude. You better get to him and tell him before he starts slaying dragons with this thing in EWS. Because you obviously know better than Yeti. Fuckin moron comments are doing my head in.
mostly curious how the front end, length and 29ers handle tight awkward steep jank... I'm sure it kills it on DH/EWS track style stuff where there's room to move and carry momentum.
Luc Wilson That’s ‘cause they’re fun trails to ride man! Purpose built mtb trails will seriously progress the sport in my opinion. Not that rocky, awkward, and challenging trails don’t have their place, as I personally love to ride that stuff. But fast and flowy trails with well built features are easier to fall in love with for most beginning riders, and the more people that there are on bikes the better mtb becomes for everyone!🤙🏼
Trying to work on geometry, Extended pad on rear triangle create the flex.😫 Rather making the pad, it better insert the pivot to the triangle, like sb6 or sb5.5.
Sooooo many more people commenting that know more than engineers on how do design the perfect frame.... So which bike company are you the owner/ceo/engineer/machinist/composite guru/janitor of???
You don't have to be an engineer to know that much rear-end flex is not ideal, then add the price tag of the bike to that, and it all seems pretty obvious.
granted Richie Rude is not 250 but he's about 200, and slays a berm waaay harder than any 20lbs could ever. So I'd assume that it could handle it just fine. Since Richie Rude just won all 4 stages of the last EWS in one of the roughest tracks this season. Definitely speaks volumes for the bike and it's so called flex and warning for heavier riders slapping berms.
Nice bike but this switch link is not necessery i think just imagine one small rock from the rear wheel fucked up everything, i have a yt capra cf pro 29 for third of this yeti more rear wheel travel and stiffer than this.
So now that the bikes are in owner's hands, the shock/rear end play is a real issue. It's the mount/bushings, etc... All the fanboys were desperate to explain this obvious flaw away that you could clearly see in this video.
That’s all well and good for tall people, what about us short people, I would like a nice bike like that, but they all feel too big, with wheel size ever increasing, what about the short people, who want a small 26” wheeled beauty of today.
somejudoguy mchugh I’m with ya. Not all of us are 6 feet tall. I’m sizing down on bikes while everyone else seems to be sizing up. My small spot rollik is such a blast to ride. Check one out if you get a chance.
Flex test, nice, I think it might be too flexible for me. I am somewhere between 75-80kg, and I used a 2014 fuel ex, which was enough of flex to feel awkward and the yeti got a lot more, looks like the BB area,rear triangle flex a lot, I am quite skeptic towards it, but I haven't tried one yet. Some other concerns are drive train wear, on my 2014 fuel ex the problem was fast chain wear, bent cassette cogs, it was flexy enough to cause the chain to wear out after about 80km, absolutely horrendous, but now trek will take a look at my frames, but I would not buy the Yet, due to possibility of these issues. reviewers need to take drive train wear into account. I am currently riding on a 2010 Trek 6300, I have no problems with abnormal drive train wear, the bike is far from perfect, but it does not have crazy flex, all 26er hardtailsl I tried so far did not feel weird, but full suspension bikes I tried were not that great, like Merida, were feeling too flexy. so far the only stiff enough full suspension I tried was 2009 Scott gambler dh 20 bike, but was extremely heavy.
Cheers for the comment, Johannes! The bike was *just* released, but we are fortunate to have had a month on it already. Drivetrain wear isn't apparent. The focus of this video was on the frame and overall ride experience, and less about the various components. You can find some more detail here: bit.ly/YetiSB150
"Added rear end compliance." What?? Are you suggesting that frame flex equates to suspension? What's the point of having 150mm of actual travel if you're going to suggest that frame flex adds compliance. This is some bizarre wishful thinking. I thought this was meant to be an objective review, not slathering all over Yeti.
From our review: www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Yeti/SB150-TURQ-X01-Eagle-Race,23747#product-reviews/3297/expand When asked about the frame's lateral stiffness, Yeti's Director of Engineering responded: "Some interesting background regarding frame stiffness came from back when Grubby (Jared Graves) was on Yeti. In the old 303 DH days we were making some crazy stiff prototypes, and Grubby was always asking for more compliance. After many iterations of that frame and adjustments to the design we tuned out some of that rigidity. He felt he had more control and could hold a line better as a result. Over the years we quantified these stiffness values in terms of testing and have set these as a baseline. We then develop our layup to match. In short, we are not designing our layups to be as stiff as possible, we are aiming to meet the criteria noted above." Do we feel like the lack of lateral stiffness compared to some of the competition is a compromise? It hasn't done our tester wrong at 175-pounds, 5'10" tall and a formerly slow-pro pace. Yes, you can feel a bit of mush when really pressing into a turn, but the bike doesn't load/unload in a way that seems detrimental. In fact, the lack of odd deflections thanks to compliance through the rough bits helps to further smooth the terrain, maintain line choice, and the bike is less likely to tire you out. We often expected to get a familiar kick at various points during our test rides, but it never seemed to happen.
Rad! Excited to test ride and compare this to other long travel 29ers...
a trick : watch movies at flixzone. Been using it for watching lots of of movies recently.
@Samuel Jaiden definitely, I've been watching on Flixzone for since december myself :D
Snowmass has some gnarly bike trails. Only been there for skiing, will have to check out the bike trails.
My 11 year old daughter and I are playing 3:59 over and over again. Such a funny sound that rider makes on that turn. :)
So what if you are a 250lb berm slapper?
I like this video format a lot actually
That awkward moment when you get to 4:52 and you're a 250lb berm slapper. :(
Jonathon Slightam same 6’3 250 and now this bike is off my list
Lol. I AM a 250lb berm slapper and Ive never had any issues with my SB 150. Although I would have to agree about the rear tire clearance being tight...I wouldn't go anything over a 2.4 back there.
I would love to know how this climbs and turns compared to a Hightower LT.
Would that flex be from the rear triangle or the wheel itself? I have a V2 Bronson CC and I can flex the wheel in a similar way; it doesn't touch the seat stay but definitely flexes....would love to hear/see more on the flex on the SB150!
I’m looking for a long travel 29 like the SB150. I’ve narrowed it down to 3 bikes: The Yeti SB150, the Ibis Ripmo, and the Pivot Firebird 29. Just wondering if you can do a side by each review of the three bikes?
What would you recommend for a 250lb berm slipper? DH bike?
More of this, we need frames with lots of reach for us tall people, and 29ers with 160mm + travel and 170 forks, finally the manufactures are catching on! p&t
POLE
I'm debating between this and the Hightower LT for myself. At 6'5" it's hard to find a fun enduro bike that fits well..
That rear linkage design looks just like the Pivot Mach 5.5
What a dream bike!
Dam! You were charging!👍🏻
looks like lots of extra stuff to maintain and also break on the trail and get you stuck.
Does it flex so much it needs horizontal bearings on the shock? Wow, GJ Yeti! I am literally LOL.
It got 29-Wheels. We all need to buy it quickly as possible.
Too complicated, too flexy, cant use it in mud, too fragile for rocks. Looks great, apart from that kink in the downtube.
Luke yeah poor Ritchie Rude. You better get to him and tell him before he starts slaying dragons with this thing in EWS. Because you obviously know better than Yeti. Fuckin moron comments are doing my head in.
Dean how much did you pay for the Yeti Sideways Suspension system? You realise the chain is not in the middle?, nice to get your wiggle on...
DigbySirChickenTF2 I’m unable to make sense of your question sorry. What point are you trying to make here?
If it was made out if high modulus carbon it wouldn't flex like that
yea but some types of carbon will snap easier, so it's important to use the best type of carbon that will flex some, if not it will snap.
What would you recommend for 250lbs berm slappers???
What camera settings are you using? I assume GoPro.
How does it do in steep rough awkward terrain? Video is all bike park flow?
That's all the millennials want to ride... machine-built billiard table smooth "trails"
While the video is mostly flow terrain, the bike has been ridden on plenty of raw and rowdy bits. Again, the front end control shines through.
mostly curious how the front end, length and 29ers handle tight awkward steep jank... I'm sure it kills it on DH/EWS track style stuff where there's room to move and carry momentum.
Luc Wilson That’s ‘cause they’re fun trails to ride man! Purpose built mtb trails will seriously progress the sport in my opinion. Not that rocky, awkward, and challenging trails don’t have their place, as I personally love to ride that stuff. But fast and flowy trails with well built features are easier to fall in love with for most beginning riders, and the more people that there are on bikes the better mtb becomes for everyone!🤙🏼
Which trail is this?
Trying to work on geometry, Extended pad on rear triangle create the flex.😫 Rather making the pad, it better insert the pivot to the triangle, like sb6 or sb5.5.
What's the weight? I'm guessing around 30lbs-ish?
Sooooo many more people commenting that know more than engineers on how do design the perfect frame.... So which bike company are you the owner/ceo/engineer/machinist/composite guru/janitor of???
You don't have to be an engineer to know that much rear-end flex is not ideal, then add the price tag of the bike to that, and it all seems pretty obvious.
StrikeForce MTB totally agree. They just assume they know more than Yeti engineers.
"250lb berm slapper" I wanna see that
granted Richie Rude is not 250 but he's about 200, and slays a berm waaay harder than any 20lbs could ever. So I'd assume that it could handle it just fine. Since Richie Rude just won all 4 stages of the last EWS in one of the roughest tracks this season. Definitely speaks volumes for the bike and it's so called flex and warning for heavier riders slapping berms.
250 lb berm slapper you say......I feel attacked.
What size bike did you test?
Size medium with a 460mm reach. The tester is 5'10" tall.
Skills Boyyyy
Sorry but you can make the stock 2.3 Aggressor touch the seat stay by hand flexing? On a $9k USD build? Hahahaha wow. Sick looking bike but no thanks.
hobmarg pretty much my Thoughts too
That's crazy flex seems like an engineering oversight
to be honest thats a solid rear end so the flex is probably all in the hub and wheel, not the frame like they were suggesting.
Nice bike but this switch link is not necessery i think just imagine one small rock from the rear wheel fucked up everything, i have a yt capra cf pro 29 for third of this yeti more rear wheel travel and stiffer than this.
Leo Elkins it’s in the pivot bolts if it’s anything like the sb100s
So now that the bikes are in owner's hands, the shock/rear end play is a real issue. It's the mount/bushings, etc... All the fanboys were desperate to explain this obvious flaw away that you could clearly see in this video.
Most excellent bike
Cost
That’s all well and good for tall people, what about us short people, I would like a nice bike like that, but they all feel too big, with wheel size ever increasing, what about the short people, who want a small 26” wheeled beauty of today.
somejudoguy mchugh I’m with ya. Not all of us are 6 feet tall. I’m sizing down on bikes while everyone else seems to be sizing up. My small spot rollik is such a blast to ride. Check one out if you get a chance.
Is the SB130 any better for frame flex?
Flex test, nice, I think it might be too flexible for me. I am somewhere between 75-80kg, and I used a 2014 fuel ex, which was enough of flex to feel awkward and the yeti got a lot more, looks like the BB area,rear triangle flex a lot, I am quite skeptic towards it, but I haven't tried one yet.
Some other concerns are drive train wear, on my 2014 fuel ex the problem was fast chain wear, bent cassette cogs, it was flexy enough to cause the chain to wear out after about 80km, absolutely horrendous, but now trek will take a look at my frames, but I would not buy the Yet, due to possibility of these issues.
reviewers need to take drive train wear into account.
I am currently riding on a 2010 Trek 6300, I have no problems with abnormal drive train wear, the bike is far from perfect, but it does not have crazy flex, all 26er hardtailsl I tried so far did not feel weird, but full suspension bikes I tried were not that great, like Merida, were feeling too flexy.
so far the only stiff enough full suspension I tried was 2009 Scott gambler dh 20 bike, but was extremely heavy.
Cheers for the comment, Johannes! The bike was *just* released, but we are fortunate to have had a month on it already. Drivetrain wear isn't apparent. The focus of this video was on the frame and overall ride experience, and less about the various components. You can find some more detail here: bit.ly/YetiSB150
@@vitalmtb I know but, how frame affects the drive train long-term is important, so investigating this further would be wise.
Nice to see you show flex of frames, this is a crucial part which most reviews don't show.
Welcome to Evil's world! Evil the Wreckoning has been doing this for the last 3 years
VS Bronson
Santa Cruz with Yeti Logos.
TheLoamHowler funny looking santa cruz
i know. santa cruz frame is the hub for ideas,
It's not blue so it's not a yeti
Julien Jones Julien Jones main reason I wouldnt buy a yeti is because of that rank blue colour, have to appeal to the mass market.
"Added rear end compliance." What?? Are you suggesting that frame flex equates to suspension? What's the point of having 150mm of actual travel if you're going to suggest that frame flex adds compliance. This is some bizarre wishful thinking. I thought this was meant to be an objective review, not slathering all over Yeti.
Compliance in the side-to-side direction.
@@vitalmtb that bike is junk
From our review: www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Yeti/SB150-TURQ-X01-Eagle-Race,23747#product-reviews/3297/expand
When asked about the frame's lateral stiffness, Yeti's Director of Engineering responded: "Some interesting background regarding frame stiffness came from back when Grubby (Jared Graves) was on Yeti. In the old 303 DH days we were making some crazy stiff prototypes, and Grubby was always asking for more compliance. After many iterations of that frame and adjustments to the design we tuned out some of that rigidity. He felt he had more control and could hold a line better as a result. Over the years we quantified these stiffness values in terms of testing and have set these as a baseline. We then develop our layup to match. In short, we are not designing our layups to be as stiff as possible, we are aiming to meet the criteria noted above."
Do we feel like the lack of lateral stiffness compared to some of the competition is a compromise? It hasn't done our tester wrong at 175-pounds, 5'10" tall and a formerly slow-pro pace. Yes, you can feel a bit of mush when really pressing into a turn, but the bike doesn't load/unload in a way that seems detrimental. In fact, the lack of odd deflections thanks to compliance through the rough bits helps to further smooth the terrain, maintain line choice, and the bike is less likely to tire you out. We often expected to get a familiar kick at various points during our test rides, but it never seemed to happen.
There you have it folks, lateral deformation is the new suspension technology.
weight of rider plays a big role, for some this will be hell to ride for some it will be comfy & fast.
what a bad bad bike my gosh
Dat flex 🤢
YETI IS A JOKE AGAINST YT CAPRA PRO RACE
overpriced half ass engineering...
When you beat me in my $2.5k Giant Reign then I might think paying quadruple the price of mine was actually worth it otherwise, be my poser.