Why Jehovah's Witnesses Misread The Bible
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I am doing a bible course with JW and it has been almost 3-4 months and I can't belive how smoothly they make you swift from your beliefs (I am a catholic). They talk very politely, they appreciate a lot, etc, I mean t say that how they make you feel that this is right and what you have been doing and what you belive till now is all wrong. But Since I can across this channel I have been brought back. Now I have answer to there every question, I can cross question, it means a lot for me what you guys have been doing. May God gives you more and more of his blessings and may you continue this good work. Amen
Thanks so much, and if you ever have questions, please let me know.
That's fantastic news. That has really made my day.
Just a quick note, the only reason the JWs are being so nice to you , is it's a cult tactic called "Love Bombing". If you get a chance, just look up the definition. It's great that this channel has helped you and so many others.
God Bless mate.
On the surface, what he says sounds good, but what I noticed is he doesn't practice what he preaches. I just posted the following reply. It will be interesting to see what he has to say to it, if he replies at all. I wrote:
"I was wondering why you mention that you should consider all scriptures concerning a matter before deciding what it means, but when showing how Jehovah's Witnesses don't do that, you cherry pick the easiest scriptures to refute and don't even mention the biggest reason why we believe what we do?
For example you point out Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus was raised as a spirit, and then cite Luke 24, where it mentions that some men at first didn't recognized Jesus after he was raised until their eyes were opened. In reality, the biggest reason, by far, that we believe Jesus was raised as a spirit was because of what Peter said when he wrote in 1Peter 3:18. He wrote:
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit."
Someone suggested to me that the reason you did not practice what you preached was because you were limited on time. Is that why you didn't do what you said in your introduction? If so, you should address all the scriptures on the matter, even if that means you have fewer examples to show people. You do know how it looks when you don't practice what you preach don't you, and especially when it is the easiest passage to refute?"
@@toddgaylor9428 Todd, this question of yours seems a bit rich, considering D H is willing to answer questions from JWs, but your Faithful and Discreet Slave has NEVER EVER answered 1 question from Christians in its 140 year history.
You want clarification on an issue ????????
Us Christians have been seeking answers from your organisation for its entire history.
All we get is a wall of silence.
So when it come to cherrypicking data, it is again the JWs like you who are doing that.
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CAN YOU ARRANGE FOR ONE OF THE GB MEMBERS TO ENTER THIS FORUM AND WE WILL ASK THEM A FEW QUESTIONS.?????????????
Current Tally for Christians: D H has answered hundreds of questions from JWs.
Current Tally for JWs : ZERO.
I have also been asking questions for years to JWs, but am still waiting for a response.
Would you be willing to answer my questions ??????
@@toddgaylor9428in the spirit , not as a spirit
Funny enough I was thinking of the Bereans earlier today and how they would have been told they were spiritually weak and probably disfellowshipped for examining the Bible against what they were told at a Kingdom Hall
❤😂 good one
Dont know if to crie or laugh🤷
When I was 17 I told the Circuit Overseer I had realized the only reason I beleived we had the truth was because that was what I was told all my life. I told him never questioned anything, but was now questioning everything. He commended me and said I was like the Berean's. I was surprised. I wasn't expecting that reply.
@@toddgaylor9428 did he leave the false doctrine ?
Or was it only a clever answer
Are you asking if the Circuit Overseer left the false doctrine? I doubt he left the Witnesses. Other than that I don't know anything.@@danielcarranza1957
@@toddgaylor9428 : Because people started questioning what they had been taught that caused many to leave the churches and other religions and qualify as JWs.
There is no blind faith among God's modern day people.
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a REASON FOR THE HOPE YOU HAVE, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect.
Amen!
Romans 4:23-24
“23Now the words “it was credited to him” were written not only for Abraham, 24but also for us, to whom righteousness will be credited- for us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead”
This is such an important issue that you have covered brilliantly. Thanks D H.
Beautiful brother thanks again for your videos❤👍
Thankyou x
When groups set themselves up as the authority to interpret scripture, they accomplish two things:
1. They steal the authority of scripture. Scripture cannot be the final word on anything if someone else has to tell you what it means. That makes THEM the authority.
2. It sets the false authorities up in a tower. You can't use scripture to evaluate, critique or refute what they say, because they are the ones that tell you what the scripture means. They'll never be wrong as long as you're convinced their voice, and not scripture, is the final authority.
JWs do this with the GB, in the same way that SDAs did it with Ellen White. They still consider her writings "a continuing and authoritative source of truth."
Does that comment mean that no one has the Truth?
Why did Jesus tell the Jews who believed in him that they will KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth will set them free? (John 8:31,32).
Know the truth from whom?
@@tongakhan230 How did you read my comment and come up with "no one has the truth"? You're reading things into my comment just the way the WT reads things into scripture.
@@evanwindom3265 : Someone logically must be having the TRUTH. All conflicting religions cannot all be teaching the ONE TRUTH.
If JWs do not have it, then who does?
@@tongakhan230 The underlying premise of your question is false. "Logically" someone must have it all figured out? Why is that? Does the universe really have to work as YOU see it? How do you KNOW that anyone perfectly understands the Bible in all of its wonder and complexity? Why is it that JWs are so fixated on "organizations"? Individuals are responsible for their own sin. Salvation is offered to individuals, not to (or through) groups, societies, or "organizations".
@@evanwindom3265 : That is just taking us for a ride and getting us nowhere.
Who has the TRUTH is the question?
1 Timothy 2:4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and COME TO AN ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
John 8:32, "You WILL KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH will set you free."
Again!! If JWs do not have this TRUTH, who then does?
Are Jesus' disciples free to decide what they want to believe?
Pay attention to:
(1 Corinthians 1:10) Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all SPEAK IN AGREEMENT and that there should be NO DIVISIONS among you, but that you may be COMPLETELY UNITED in the same mind and in the SAME LINE OF THOUGHT.
If JWs misread the Bible as this video claims, who then reads it properly, taking 1 Cor 1:10 into consideration?
Be brave and come out with an answer.
Else, it is just fault finding without offering anything to help.
Thx for these videos. My best friend is a Jehovah’s Witness
The difference between JWs who teach the truth and those who make excuses to avoid the truth would be obvious, I think.
I just read ecclesiastes from beginning to end to put it all into context , especially 9:5 . A few verses earlier than that says animals die and go to the earth and a humans spirit goes upward. So from what I got from context , 9:5 was talking about our physical earthly bodies
Ecclesiastes 3:19 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the SAME OUTCOME. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but ONE SPIRIT. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.
Both animals and humans have the same spirit. The electricity which powers trains and toy cars is the same. Humans do not have any superiority over animals at death. They both CEASE TO EXIST.
Believing that life goes on at death is what Satan wants people to believe. Genesis 3:4.
Check Acts 24:15 and let us know what the purpose is?
@@tongakhan230 1 Thesselonians 4 : 11 -12
@@jeffbrown423: On the acceptance of the fact that the Bible doesn't teach contradictory things, let us see.
(1 Thessalonians 4:11, 12) Make it your aim to live quietly and to mind your own business and TO WORK with your hands, just as we instructed you, 12 so that you may walk decently in the eyes of people outside and not need anything.
Instruction for Christians to work and not depend on others.
What connection does it have with death?
@tongakhan230 just thought you needed to read that scripture. You seem to me to be kind of well meaning , but I know exactly who you are in the congregation. Knew many like you and uncles especially. Those of us who serve God humbly and quietly find them insufferable . I'll pray for you.
@@jeffbrown423 : Isn't this a neither here nor there comment.
Any opinion that Ecclesiastes 9:10 is not true?
I am not a JW supporter but the “I tell you today part” in the original Greek they use periods not commas and they didn’t find a period, it was just translated with the comma. And in deutronomy u can find instances where it says “I teach you today” it’s like a teacher saying “now class”. Just my 2 cents and what I’ve been able to learn and research
Concise, consistent and completely true!
Now let the trolls begin.
Mark 12:41-44 is used by JW's to require the poor even to give the last of what they have, yet the context of the surrounding verses seems to be condemning the religious leaders for among other things "stealing" from widows. WT uses it as a reason to constantly ask for money (even your children's ice cream money😂). What's your thoughts DH?
I would say Jesus neither confirms nor condemns the actions directly, and more of a commentary on what was happening and the sad shape of matters. We do know she put in all she had to live on, and no where does the Bible encourage someone to give to the point of desperation. If true religion is helping widows in their suffering, why was her cent all she had, why weren’t the people helping? The lesson directly is, it was a struggle for her, not for the others, so the amount they gave means nothing. However, wether this is how everyone should act, is not stated, and when people like the JW GB force a meaning, it’s disturbing. Amazing, everyone uses this scripture, it always ends with “God wants you to give us more money, even to the point you don’t have anything left.”
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
EXPLAIN
CHRIST
(Matthew 15:24) I am NOT sent but unto the lost SHEEP of the house of ISRAEL
PAUL
(Romans 9:3-5) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for "my brethren" "my kinsmen" according to the FLESH who are ISRAELITES to whom "pertaineth" the ADOPTION and the GLORY, and the COVENANTS, and the giving of the LAW and the SERVICE of God, and the "PROMISES" whose are the fathers, and of whom as "concerning" the FLESH Christ "came" who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen
(👆all things including Christ sacrifice)
@@Matthew121-uc8bl What's your point?
This is a blatant lie. You should be ashamed.
@@evanwindom3265
Christ's sacrifice was for ethnic Israel only - you understood in the first place - why play slow
As an exShmuck I thank you 😉
The jws don’t misread the buybull, they’ve now got their own version and they periodically revise it to make it agree with ever brightening “new light” 😂!
Have their own Bible, too: catholics, mormons, freemasons (used when usa prez sworn in, traditionally. Others, also. :)
Bibles also different: NIV, Gideon's (newest is extreme), and even the kjv was "revised" in 2011, i think.
It is up to us to TRY our Best to Learn and to Discern. We are led ... when we try dilligently.
I studied with about a dozen - and Learned things all of the time.
HE wants complete glory, effort and Faith in Him.
Pray Hard each day.
Keep an Open mind.
Don't sweat the little things.
FOCUS on Faith.
ALL souls will need STRONG Faith very soonishly. Genuinely Look & SEE, here on satan's temporary earth kingdom. YAH will not suffer such a saturation of evil & perversion much longer, by all indications. 🙏
There’s 100 versions yet the JWs get the most flack when the KJV is easily the most inaccurate English version ever written
@@TargttdGma
It probably wasn’t your point 😆, but I just love the turn of phrase “soonishly”, hadn’t thought of it before but the suffix “ishly” can be easily and rightly applied to many of the jw prophecies and interpretations of the buybull’s timing, etc. 😂!
@@ghernandez2263 You have a point there.
Not only them
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I came for the no, NO!s … another well-made video. Keep them coming please
A story from the book of 1 Kings, where a prophet by the name of Elijah when he beheld 400 false prophets of the false object of worship called Baal said to them if you think you're God to be the answer then assemble yourselves and call me fire down from heaven; Elijah said to them likewise shall I do the same as the story goes the 400 false prophets of the false being made themselves a bunch of ruckus calling out to the lie they believed.
Elijah surely used scripture from the word of God the Old Testament or Old Covenant or Agreement and fire did fall from heaven.
The more you get right about God the more he shows up.
God is a spirit those that worship him must do so in spirit and in truth. John 4:24
Don't just have faith, have faith in God, and his word. There is surely a type of extreme unpleasantness already in the Earth, have you seen it, are you delivered from it?
Job 38:17 "Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?"
Job 38:33 "33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?"
As a child, I would have dreams in be in many nightmares where underground tentacle monsters could sense my slightest movement and impel me,
wars, dreams of persecution, the grim Reaper, things would get wild. I remember calling on the Old Testament name of God Jehovah, and I remember things
did not end well for me when I was being assaulted by a witch. However, ever since I was a child the name of Jesus has never failed me, when I began to call on his name
Even recently, a spider demon with a human face around the size a 42" TV was crawling on my wall when I awoke from my sleep.
I spoke the name of Jesus quite a few times and I attained Mercy unto myself, for that because Jesus has the authority for this reason.
John 3:35 " He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
1 John 2:23 "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."
I believe that God cares for his creation and doesn't want to lose them, because I believed in Jesus and had the humility to honor his name many times throughout my life.
I attained mercy through the New Covenant, agreement, or Testament. Only parts of the old still apply. The old prepared place for the New.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14 "And the Word:λόγος(in ancient Greek) message, expression of God's ideas), was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
For if I read James 1:5 (KJV), do not leave out James 1:6,7, and 8 (KJV),
and while we at it live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
If there are 18000+ religions in the world I know to whom I say go to save me trouble, the name and the ideas that I will confess as Lord to be serving of and to call my friend.
Proverbs 4:19 “The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.”
A concept of the word is the idea that is behind it or what should pop into your head by what the author is meaning. If you do not have the idea of the word correct you have a misconception and it changes the whole story.
Read the KJV, pray for wisdom, pray without ceasing: don't go a day without it.
You could sit 100 people down in a room and get them to read Daniel or the book of the Apocolypse and ask them to explain what it means, and you will more than likely get 100 different answers, so what makes you think that your version of truth is better than their version of truth?
Well with Daniel you can compare it to the history of near-east before the time of Christ. Revelation, you would get 100 different answers, but that’s not what is intended. Wether or not the book is speaking of the future, or the early church, or whatever, you arnt required to understand it. Nothing in revelation has anything to do with salvation or knowing Christ. You could remove it from the Bible and it wouldn’t change who God is, who Christ is, or what the Gospel is.
Compare Isaiah in the LXX
(At 6:35) "It's bad grammar to say I tell you today,..."
Luke 23:43 (A Faithful Version): "Truly, I tell you today, you shall be with me in paradise."
Acts 20:26:
(ESV): "I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all."
(Good News): "I solemnly declare to you this very day: if any of you should be lost, I am not responsible."
(EMTV): "I testify to you this very day, that I am innocent of all blood."
And this last one is for all you wonderful evilangelicals out there...
Deuteronomy 30:18 (ESV): "I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish."
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Please advise the names of the Translators of the NWT.
Please supply their credentials allowing them to translate from the Hebrew and Greek. Surely, if you trust this translation, you will be able to provide these details.
Acts 20:26 ἐν τῇ σήμερον ἡμέρᾳ. In this day
Same in English, not Greek.
Luke 23:43 λέγω, σήμερον I say today
Which is said in the present tense. So if the NWT is correct, Jesus is saying “Today I say today.” That’s bad grammar my friend.
Where will Jesus be after Armageddon?
@@RowanTasmanian I don't support, endorse, or believe the NWT any more than anyone else, but I'm having trouble connecting your question to his comment, given that he's quoting from a variety of translations...
@@evanwindom3265 Logic, like Counselling always considers the faulty premise. You always go to the core issue.
As David Agnew is trying to support the view of the NWT for Luke 23:43, and no other reputable translation renders it that way, I want to know the names of the Translator and their qualifications for placing the comma and the emphasis incorrectly.( D H made mention of this.)
David never quotes any reputable bible for Luke 23:43, he just wanders around the bible with a Paraphrase bible and the ESV and the "a faithful version of the bible" another cult setup by Fred R Coulter.
To follow David Agnew down these ridiculous rabbit burrows is a classic diversion tactic by illogical people.
So to help you understand my question to David, if ALL his understanding of Luke 23:43 comes wholly and solely from the NWT (and he's trying everything he can to defend the NWT), it would be prudent and logical to identify these translators and their qualifications.
I agree with D H that these "translators" of the NWT placed the comma incorrectly in said verse.
Thank you and end of discussion.
HaHaa! Shmuck! xD
1 Timothy 2:4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and COME to an accurate knowledge of truth.
Obviously God's people will be given knowledge progressively. If Jesus' disciples know everything there is to know, what did Jesus mean when he told the Jews who had believed him:
(John 8:31, 32) Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews who had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH, and the truth will set you free.”
Until Jesus, using God's holy spirit, updates his disciples on what they need to know, the disciples could entertain personal ideas (Compare Acts 1:6). These however, is not to be confused with the basics truths of who God is and who the Messiah is. And of course, what God's Kingdom is.
Matthew 24:45 CEB
“Who then are the faithful and wise servants whom their master OUTS IN CHARGE OF GIVING FOOD AT THE RIGHT TIME to those who live in his house?
“Remain in my Word” also known as scripture, the words of God. Not men from Brooklyn New York.
Your religion shouldn't go beyond your front door. You beliefs should be your own. You should not worship with people who are not in your spiritual space. Church/Kingdom Halls/etc should not exist. They are basically schools of false teachings. Study with your family at home. Don't let anyone interpret your faith or beliefs. Reading and comprehension is better than listening and obeying.
Think about this. None of us are arguing facts. When I say "none of us", I mean individuals who study the Bible. We àre all taught by whatever religious group we grew up around. I call it he say she say. It's kinda weird how we all believe in God, but we have different religious beliefs. It's called interpretation and that's what the churches are good at even though The information can be inaccurate.
The usage of the “faithful slave” parable as a prophecy about watchtower is one of the most egregious elements they have - in the very same passage Jesus also mentions a worthless slave aaaannnnnnd .... they say THAT is “allegorical” but the GOOD slave is ... literal ...
Ugh! Ridiculous!!
Jesus used a similar parable elsewhere when he discussed a master with THREE servants, one was good, one was outstanding and one was worthless and cast out; to be CONSISTENT awe must therefore assume there are two literal organizations Jehovah uses and the bad is ... whatever
Isn't someone mixing a parable with a prophecy?
Here is an example of a parable.
Matthew 13:33 He told them another illustration: “The Kingdom of the heavens IS LIKE leaven that a woman took and mixed with three large measures of flour until the whole mass was fermented.”
@@jimjuri6490 Feel free to read Luke 12:35-46 to answer your question about parable vs. prophecy.
Verse 45 says the slave was "appointed". Past tense. There's nothing there about that appointment not occurring until 1919. It's not a prophecy. The context of the whole section makes it pretty reasonable to see that portion of the passage as a parable, just as the previous few verses were.
@@evanwindom3265: Jesus did appoint a Governing Body in the first Century. It ceased to function after Satan took over and the church systems began. Compare Acts 20:30.
On Jesus' return he found a few of his anointed staying spiritually awake. From among these he appointed a GB to look after the restored Christian Congregation and the worldwide preaching work in fulfillment of Matthew 24:14.
The GB comprises of various individuals who get old and die. Other replace these.
Please read Matthew 24:45-47.
@@evanwindom3265 :(Isaiah 9:6) For a child has been born to us,
Was this child already born when this prophecy was written?
@@tongakhan230 Read the whole verse, please.
What about hell? Actual fiery torment for eternity and gnashing of teeth or figuratively?
Personally, I believe Hell to be conscience, not just annihilation, but I believe there’s no literal fire and brimstone but it’s regret and hatred. A place of judgment, and more like a prison. What it actually looks like, I have no idea, but what’s absolutely certain, it’s a place without love or joy, and certainly not fun.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry So, kinda like working at my last job, then? :)
Simply use rational thinking. If there is something inside a human that escapes at death, it must be something unseen. A spirit or something similar.
How will there be a set of teeth to do any gnashing?
Even if false teeth were provided, where would they be attached to?
The gnashing of teeth is symbolic of rejection and disappointment.
@@jimjuri6490 Jesus said that all people will be resurrected so the punishment and the response to the punishment by the punished can be physical: "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." (John 5:28-29)
(Luke 23:42, 43) Then he said: “Jesus, remember me WHEN YOU GET INTO YOUR KINGDOM.” 43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you WILL BE with me in Paradise.”
The man believed that Jesus' Kingdom was a distant occurrence. His words show that.
Did Jesus take a trip to Paradise that very day he died and take that man with him???
Jesus was in hell for parts of three days after he died. Acts 2:27.
Jesus had to wait in a nonexistent state until God brought him back into existence.
(Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
Jesus was walking about on earth after being resurrected by God. Where is the Paradise that was supposed to happen 'today'?
That man is still dead and awaiting a resurrection (Acts 24:15). When he opens his eyes when he is resurrected, he will look around for Jesus. As it will be still 'today' for him. The dead have no recollection of time passing as they do not exist.
Thus, Jesus Jesus promising that man paradise that very day is not supported by the scriptural evidence. It was logically a promise made that day about a future event.
You know the NWT is condemon by scholars, right?
Dr. Bruce Metzger, Professor of New Testament at Princeton Universtity:
“Far more pernicious in this same verse is the rendering… ‘and the Word was a god’ … It must be stated quite frankly that, if the Jehovah’s Witnesses take this translation seriously, they are polytheists. In view of the additional light which is available during this age of Grace, such a representation is even more reprehensible than were the heathenish, polytheistic errors into which ancient Israel was so prone to fall. As a matter of solid fact, however, such a rendering is a frightful mistranslation.” (For the Record - John 1:1)
Dr. William Barclay, a leading Greek scholar, University of Glasgow, Scotland:
“The deliberate distortion of truth by this sect is seen in their New Testament translations, John 1:1 is translated: ‘the Word was a god,’ a translation which is grammatically impossible. It is abundantly clear that a sect that can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest.”
H. H. Rowley, British scholar:
“From beginning to end this volume is a shining example of how the Bible should NOT be translated.”
Dr. Julius Mantey, author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament:
“A grossly misleading translation”; “obsolete and incorrect“; “shocking mistranslation“
“It is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1:1 ‘the Word was a god.’ But of all the scholars in the world, so far as we know, none have translated this verse as Jehovah’s Witnesses have done.” [Click here to read what the Watchtower has had to say over the years about the only “bible” known to us-and to the WTB&TS-to indeed have translated John 1:1 the same as the NWT.; here is a PDF of the first edition of this “bible”]
“I have never read any New Testament so badly translated as the Kingdom Interlinear of the Greek Scriptures…. It is a distortion-not a translation.”
“The translators of the New World Translation are ‘diabolical deceivers.'”
Dr. Edgar J. Goodspeed, well known translator:
“A fatal distortion of Biblical truth”; “the grammar is regrettable”
Weird place to put the commas. Are you using the JW Bible? And who said Jusus was in Hell all three days, or how long he was there?
@@christiancrusader9374 : Wasn't Jesus making a promise THAT VERY DAY?
How could Jesus promise that man that he would be in paradise that very day. Paradise has still not been restored, 2,000 have gone by.
Wasn't Jesus moving about on the earth after God brought him back into existence by resurrecting Jesus?
So, where was that man? Was he WITH Jesus?
All Jesus did was promise that bad man that when he opens his eyes when he is resurrected, he will find himself on a paradise earth. To that man whether 2,000 years past it will be like TODAY for him. The dead do not exists and hence the concept of time doesn't apply.
Here is the promise of the resurrection.
(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of BOTH the righteous and the unrighteous.
That man who died alongside Jesus would qualify as unrighteous.
Acts 2:27 King James Version
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Jesus was in hell. It just means the GRAVE.
Jesus was brought back to existence by God.
(Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
@@tongakhan230 because Jesus wasn't talking about Eden, Paradise is either another name for Heaven, or according to some, a place for the faithful pre-new covenant separate from Heaven. 2 Cor. 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Those who are in Christ go to Heaven when they die. The Bible never speaks of the soul ceasing to exist.
@@christiancrusader9374 : Adam's disobedience LOST paradise for humans. Romans 5:12.
The Garden of Eden was to be expanded worldwide.
God's purpose cannot be thwarted. Paradise will be restored for righteous humans as God purposed.
There are scriptures which are aimed at the CHOSEN ONES. These few will not go to heaven. They are TAKEN to heaven to rule with Jesus. Compare Revelation 5:9,10.
Those who are not chosen, I included, entertain this hope, should I qualify.
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess THE EARTH, And they will LIVE FOREVER ON IT.
Everlasting life remember, John 3:16?
It is a life without the need to die ON EARTH as God purposed. It was delayed because God needed to correct the damage Satan caused. Genesis 3:15.
God sent his angelic son to be born as a man who would be Adam's EQUAL. Pay off the penalty and free all Adams children from what Adam passed down genetically.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.
That man who died alongside Jesus couldn't be a chosen one as he was not alive after Jesus was resurrected.
He is still dead and will only be resurrected during Jesus' 1,000 years rule of this earth. Acts 24:14.
It’s not as simple as just read it honestly otherwise everyone would agree on everything. Everyone thinks they have the right meaning, but by definition most people must be wrong.
That's an excellent point. But one lost on many frequent commentators on here. Even the regular anti-JW commenters don't agree on all the issues, I've seen it. But they still persist in the 'Just read your Bible' line. Mindboggling.
True! Jesus said that the MANY would be wrong and only a FEW would be right. Matthew 7:13,14.
Seems like the FEW are JWs.
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@@jimjuri6490 so whichever group has the fewest followers is right?
@@Flashheartwoof : Whichever group, FEW in members, claiming to be Christians, and DOING God's Will are those who will have the TRUTH.
(Matthew 7:21) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one DOING THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in the heavens will.
Is there any group other than JWs fulfilling Matthew 24:14? It is a last days' prophecy.
@@jimjuri6490 more meaningless garbling. JWs are wrong about 607. To keep defending that teaching is farcical.
Something I want to add that they do and (I KNOW will defend) is the weekly Bible reading as a congregation. They will literally read the entire Bible throughout the whole year. So it’s always been bewildering to me how scriptures are STILL taken out of context even with the weekly Bible reading of the entire Bible! ☹️
What scripture taken out of context may I ask.
I got the impression that this exactly is what this video is trying to do. Even though the context is given, various ruses are used to show that it means something else. Re Col 1:15.
@@jimjuri6490 What about Col 1:15? Please elaborate.
@@jimjuri6490 this video is a great example. I have family trying so hard to tell me the new world translation is the most accurate and most praised Bible. However, my family does no research outside of the organization.
@@devynfox4105I agree that many Jehovah's Witnesses do not thoroughly investigate the arguments of critics. But many still do it. They also use different Bible translations to be sure of their beliefs. The arguments and texts used in this video are not convincing and are easily refuted. Time has shown that debates do not make much sense, because if your entire belief system is based on the assumption that Jesus is not the first-born son of God, but is a person of the Trinity, then contrary evidence is not even considered. Jesus called the Father the only true God and said that true worshipers worship the Father (whom Jesus himself worships. John 17:3; 4:21-24; 20:17; 1.Cor 8:6) There is not a single text in the Bible that would show that God in the Bible is not the Father, but there are three persons in one God. Not a single text! Despite the Bible's clear answer about who God is, the debate continues. Jehovah's Witnesses do not worship the same God as the author of this video. Therefore, disputes on other topics are not relevant. If someone worships a God other than the Father, it doesn't matter how he does it or how he interprets a text.
@@aivomand7076very good answer! i believe this too that there is no Trinity. However saying JW’s are in the right by understanding this doesn’t mean they have err in other beliefs. For example, Have you ever looked into an in-depth explanation of the “great crowd of other sheep” and How they explain this and when it was first explained and how do we still teach it to this day? I think that what the narrator wants to say is that is not only debatable but if it is not according to scripture you cannot call it the Truth.
Another ludicrous usage of metaphor as a literal throng is the 144,000 ...
In every passage regarding the 144,000 watchtower assigns a FIGURATIVE meaning:
From 12 tribes of Israel ? Figurative.
Virgins ? Figurative.
Wearing white ? Symbolic.
Actual number 144,000 ? LITERAL!!!!!
Read Daniel 12:10 to understand how JWs know what others cannot know.
Name of God in their foreheads (Rev 14:1)? Figurative.
_Male_ virgins (Rev 14:4)? Figurative.
Everything is figurative except the number 144,000, because as everyone knows: the numbers in Revelation don't have any symbolic significance at all 🙄.
@@jimjuri6490 So you think "“Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand" applies to JWs specifically? Please -- explain how you know that.
Scofield Reference Bible Notes says on Rev 7:14:
"An election out of Israel is seen as sealed for God (Rev_7:4-8) and, with an innumerable multitude of
Gentiles (Rev_7:9) are said to have come "out of the great tribulation." They are not of the priesthood,
the church, to which they seem to stand somewhat in the relation of the Levites to the priests under the
Mosaic Covenant."
Bible commentator John Darby says on Rev 7:14:
"We have thus the heavenly hosts, the glorified saints, and the white-robed multitude. They belong to these
earthly scenes, not to the assembly, each in a different relationship - the glorified saints forming a
class apart."
So as long as Christendom argues over whether they are the same class or a different class, literal or symbolic,
literal Jews or Christians, JWs need not be concerned what divided opposers think.
David, you have some problems with your hermeneutics (as all JWs do).
First of all,
the issue is NOT that JW’s believe the 144000 are literal, the issue is that they are inconsistent in their hermeneutics. If the 144000 is a literal number then they must also be Jews who are male virgins. If you want to symbolize the other aspects (12 tribes, male virgins, etc.) then the number 144000 too must be symbolic. Claiming that everything in the context is symbolic _EXCEPT_ the number 144000 is inconsistent-that’s the problem.
Second,
Revelation is apocalyptic literature, which means you have to read it according to its genre, and _NOT_ like narrative-they are different genres. Numbers are highly symbolic in apocalyptic literature. I know you don’t understand Biblical genres so I encourage you to get a book on Biblical Hermeneutics (eg. _Introduction to Biblical Hermeneutics The Search for Meaning_ by Walter C. Kaiser and Moisés Silva).
Now, before I answer your question I would like you to answer a simple question for me. Do you think that John is part of the 24 elders?
No. Jer 29:11 is about the future plans of hope for restoration for the nation of Israel.
Jeremiah was prophesying that Jerusalem would be overthrown but they would restored.
I'd imagine if you ask any Rabbi this and he should confirm a future still greater restoration they believe in.
Rom 15:4- For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance & through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.
Prophecy is mainly for people of faith and not necessarily for academics and literary scholar types.
Rom 6:7 just says what it says. it's death. because it's talking about Jesus in the surrounding verses, who died.
Unless your implying that even when someone is "asleep in death", he is still a sinner, which would also be wrong. Because if you can't do anything & have no bodily function how can you sin or do something bad?
Rom 6:23 is the main one used for the paying for sin.
"For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus."
This is in harmony with Ecc 9:5.
"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten."
Verse 6 adds clarity for how can someone sin if their dead and have no emotional expression even.
"Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun."
So your saying that Jesus just randomly told a story about how to be a good happy slave and how to get a promotion and what happens to a bad slave when the boss finds out?
This is Joke right?
Is Matt 24:45 -51 why alot of "Jesus is God Christians" are using the illustration of "Employee/Employers" who are still equal humans to illustrate that somehow Jesus & JHVH YHWH are both God because their equally Gods or something?
It's actually Pro 8:22 that has the tetragrammaton and that God produced or created or possessed(like ownership) someone as the beginning of his way, at the start of his creative works of long ago or "first of his works of old"-ESV
The start of Pro 8 talks from a Woman personified as Wisdom.
In Gen 3:15 it says that the Woman will "produce a seed" or "offspring" that will crush the serpent's head.
At the end of the Proverb a couple of times it has "Happy or Blessed" is the one who keep my "way" and who "listen" to me, the whoever finds me, finds "life"...
This is obviously Jesus. The way. The Truth. The life...made manifest and sent to break up the works of the Devil. The Original serpent.
-1 John 3:8
Faith follows the thing "heard" which.is the good news about the christ.-Rom 10:17
What is more likely...
that the NICENE CREED (which was instigated & overseen by Constantine I, the RULER OF THE WORLD POWER of the Day,) with trinity doctrine...
didn't INFLUENCE subsequent bible translations & church doctrines with "BIAS" for the agenda of geograpolitics and establishing expansion of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE...
anyone not agreeing being called a heretic...
or that JWs are puppets who blindly follow Satan...
THE SAME SATAN WHO TEMPTED JESUS WITH ALL "HIS" KINGDOMS OF THE DAY, LIKE THE ROMAN EMPIRE???
@@heydeesHow?
Ecclesiastes 9:5 is not what it states????
Genesis 3:19, Psalms 146:3,4 all point to the fact that DEATH ENDS LIFE.
If there is something unseen trapped within a body, which only a death can release, it must surely be a spirit form. Wouldn't this be a propagation of Satan's false claim that humans will never die? Genesis 3:4.
If life continues at death, wouldn't that make a mockery of the promise of the resurrection? Acts 24:15.
Even God will find it impossible to resurrect a living being.
It is obvious as to who teaches the TRUTH.
Taking passages out of its context?
@@misterauctor7353 : How about putting it into context and helping out?
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness,'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 was written: "'You are my witnesses, ' is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
John do you want to address the points I brought up in the video?
If Jesus was the perfect communicator wouldn't he have taught the trinity doctrine more clearly...
instead saying of things that imply the opposite...
the father is greater than me...
him always doing the will of his father...
that he does nothing of his own "initiative" or motive..
him teaching his followers to pray to the father and saying let his father's name be sanctified,
and let his father's will take place...
or him saying
"Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’
Matt 4:10 quoting from the Hebrew Law.
Some random nobody - " But you JW's inserted Jehovah into the Greek Scriptures..."
"That Jesus... He's a liar... he said "it was written" somewhere..."
you guys...
geez
So we should only render sacred service to God?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
Pray to & Worship the Father as God Alone.
Matt 6:9. 1 Thess 3:11.
Imitate the Christ & Observe what he said & taught.
Do what he commanded as King.
John 15:13,14. 1Cor 11:1-3.
@@heydees right. Sacred service belongs only to God. Do you know what the Greek word for sacred service is?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
No. i don't. But it is very easy to look up.
Technology is pretty amazing these days...
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
what do you think of this?
You know how in a courtroom they have the Judge in his seat... then they have the witness stand...
Do you think this a good illustration to show how God and Jesus as are seated? Rev 3:14. Dan 7:13, 14, 22.
also...
am i suppose to look up sacred service?
What bible should I get if I am an EXjw?
I am interested in getting one.
NIV, NASB 95,NASB 2020, ESV, NKJV, CSB, Legacy Standard Bible, NET bible, there are many more, but these are the best and most reliable English translations.
What Rowan said. I personally use the NASB, but all those he listed are great.
I'd stay away from the Passion, and Clear Word. The NIV is one of the most readable. I'm normally a NKJV reader, but that's because I grew up reading the original King James. I hear lots of good things about the ESV and NASB. Whatever you choose, think about getting a good study Bible that will have some notes, commentaries, and cross references. I just bought a NKJV "Journaling" Bible that has super wide margins with lots of space to jot down notes, questions, and whatever.
Notice that the kjv is the only translation discredited - why - because king James was the last ruling king of the dark ages - all other translations came to be after the Renaissance and were all translated by Europeans with the false replacement image of Christ at the forefront
In your position, I'd still stick with the NWT. Hopefully you'll wake up from your folly one day, repent, and come back to Jehovah's people.
(Romans 6:7) For the one who has DIED has been ACQUITTED from his sin.
(Romans 6:23) For the WAGES sin pays is DEATH, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
This is talking about actual physical death. The topic began at Romans 5:12.There is nothing more a person can give other than his life for any sins he may have committed.
If it was talking about dying to sin, then how is it that these didn't get everlasting life? That is what verse 23 states.
People who have no clue as to what the Bible teaches trying to find fault with those who do? Weird!
Jim what is the context of Romans 6:1-7?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry :Romans 6:1 What are we to say then? Should WE CONTINUE IN SIN so that undeserved kindness may increase? 2 Certainly not! Seeing that WE DIED WITH REFERENCE TO SIN, how can we keep living any longer IN IT?
This is talking about accepting that sin no longer should be master over their lives. And not CONTINUING in sin
Verse 5 If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection.
Paul is talking about actual DEATH. Else, there cannot be any resurrection.
Then Paul states that ACTUAL PHYSICAL DEATH results from sin. People get ACQUITED because there cannot be found any fault anymore with them. Physical DEATH erases all sin.
Verse 7 For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.
Dying TO sin. And ACTUALLY DYING are two separate issues.
If verse 7 is talking about dying TO sin, how can someone CONTINUE in it if he is ACQUITTED? See verse 1. What sense would that make?
@@jimjuri6490 try again, this time don’t leave out verses 3,4 and 6. Which when read in context disprove the JW position. Context means the whole sections, not cherry picking verses.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : There is a difference between those who know what the Bible teaches and those who try to make excuses to make the scriptures fit their beliefs.
Explain how someone can be ACQUITTED from sin and yet continue in it?
Romans 6:7 ESV
For one who has died has been set free from sin.
Romans 6:1 NIV
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
Use 'spiritual death' or whatever one desires if one must. Explain the above two verses.
Romans 6:23 NIV
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.
What is a WAGE? It is something that is paid AT THE END.
@@jimjuri6490 You are still reading verses out of context. Let me post the section.
6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 Far from it! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for the one who has died is freed from sin.
8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all time; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 So you too, consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
There is no way you can get death paying for our sin out of this section. Scripture is clear only Jesus can pay for our sin. This was never an OT belief nor is it taught in the NT. If our death paid for our sin, why were the apostles wanting people to repent and have faith in Jesus for the removal of sin. What point was there? They were dying anyway right?
I was wondering why you mention that you should consider all scriptures concerning a matter before deciding what it means, but when showing how Jehovah's Witnesses don't do that, you cherry pick the easiest scriptures to refute and don't even mention the biggest reason why we believe what we do?
For example you point out Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus was raised as a spirit, and then cite Luke 24, where it mentions that some men at first didn't recognized Jesus after he was raised until their eyes were opened. In reality, the biggest reason, by far, that we believe Jesus was raised as a spirit was because of what Peter said when he wrote in 1Peter 3:18. He wrote:
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit."
Someone suggested to me that the reason you did not practice what you preached was because you were limited on time. Is that why you didn't do what you said in your introduction? If so, you should address all the scriptures on the matter, even if that means you have fewer examples to show people. You do know how it looks when you don't practice what you preach don't you, and especially when it is the easiest passage to refute?
Hey Todd, thanks for the comment. I would have loved to go into each topic with more depth, but unfortunately the content would be very long. This was just an overview. I could have even gone deeper on biblical hermeneutics, but again, too long. I aim to make short explanations that should inspire people to research on their own.
As far as the topic on Jesus being raised as a spirit, I’ve actually gone into greater depth on that subject,
ruclips.net/video/g5JAU-s9iFA/видео.html
Thanks again, and if you few I’m wrong shallow on a certain doctrine please let me know. I don’t want to misrepresent anyone’s faith. God bless!
Like I said earlier, the biggest reason we believe Jesus was raised as a spirit is because that was what Peter said, not because of a couple men who didn't recognize him. If the audience you are trying to persuade is Jehovah's Witnesses, it would be more effective to comment on the passages we primarily use. And if non believers are your intended audience, it would still be good to target the passages that we use the most.
Anyway I have no doubt Jesus raised his own fleshly body. He said he would raise his Temple. There is no passage that says God raised his fleshly body, and there is no passage that says Jesus raised his own spirit. You do know the Lord said his spirit would die didn't you (Matthew 20:28)? @@LightoverDarkMinistry
@@toddgaylor9428 Thanks for responding. I understand that 1 Peter 3:18 is the “go to” verse for JW’s on this particular subject. But I don’t believe this necessarily falls in the category of cherry picking, but in my opinion, goes in the “not considering the entirety of scripture” or even proper grammatical interpretation. For instance, “in the spirit” does not have mean in a spiritual body. As Luke 2:27, and acts 19:21, the same wording is used. So it appears another way to say is “by” the Spirit, and referring to the Holy Spirit which Paul’s says in Romans 8, resurrected Christ. Hope that clarifies things. Again if you think I’m wrong, please let me know.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Not just 1 Peter 3:18, but the following. Key words and phrases capitalized.
"And the fact that He resurrected him from the dead NEVER AGAIN TO RETURN TO CORRUPTION,..." (Acts 13:38)
" So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam BECAME A LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT." (1 Corinthians 15:45)
"So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if WE ONCE KNEW CHRIST ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, WE CERTAINLY NO LONGER KNOW HIM IN THAT WAY." (2 Corinthians 5:16)
@@mattgardiner614 matt, let’s just look at 2 Corinthians 5:16 again. You posted the verse before. What does it say again? We regard no man according to the flesh. Does that mean Paul only viewed people as spirit creatures?
Jesus was resurrected by God back into his angel spirit form (1 Peter 3:8). As other angels have done, Jesus had to take on various human forms to be seen.
(Luke 24:15, 16) Now as they were conversing and discussing these things, Jesus himself approached and began walking with them, 16 but their eyes were kept from recognizing him.
This is an expression that means they didn't recognize Jesus. Not that God had intervened to stop them recognizing Jesus. How would that make sense when Jesus showed himself to many after he was resurrected.
1 Samuel 1:5 King James Version
5 But unto Hannah he gave a worthy portion; for he loved Hannah: but the Lord had shut up her womb.
This is a similar expression. God didn't stop Hannah from having children. It just means that she was barren. Incapable of having children.
After Jesus did something the disciples were familiar with, recognition clicked that here was actually Jesus albeit in another form.
(Luke 24:31) At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them.
This doesn't mean that their eyes were shut or partly closed all the while. It means that recognition dawned on them.
People who value truth, get JWs help.
Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind. 1 peter 3:8.
"People... help."
People who value truth, get ex-jw help.
Jesus not created.
christians constantly claim each other "misread" the bible, and thta only their version is the right one. Amazingly, not a single one of these self-professed christians can show their version is the right one, nor can they do what their jesus promises to his true believers in the bible.
The Bible is the correct version. Doesn’t matter which Bible you read, the message is the same. Unless you read the NWT which doesn’t match the manuscript evidence.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry ROFL. Every single christian version tries exactly what you do, and insists that only they follow the bible in the correct version. Funny how it does matter which bible you read, and which christian you talk to, since each gives a different version.
Curious how christians can't agree on what the bible says on:
free will vs predestination
what heaven and hell are
what morals this god wants
how to inteprete the bible e.g. which parts are to be taken as literal, metaphor, exaggeration, etc.
who is saved
what baptism does and how to do it
and each christian claims it was from the bible that they got their answers.
"The Bible is the correct version. Doesn’t matter which Bible you read, the message is the same. Unless you read the NWT which doesn’t match the manuscript evidence."
@@velkyn1 almost everything you listed, those are non-essentials. Christians are United on the essential doctrines, who Jesus is and what the Gospel is. You can openly disagree with people on other topics. My good friend and I disagree on predestination. He’s a Christian, he calls me a Christian. Where you once a JW?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You are quite a liar, dear. I know better than that, having been a christian and spending quite a bit of time watching my protestant family hate catholics. I know how catholics attack protestants, calvinists attack free willers, how anabaptists were murdered by other christians, how most ever christian verison attacks the Jehovah's witnesses (and you seem to be doing so right here),
and it's notable that you say "almost everything". If I'm right about one of them my position holds and that not one of you can do what jesus promises simply clinches the deal.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Regarding your comment on "non-essentials". Perhaps that ought to be your next video. Spelling out just what the essentials are according to you. And don't forget, to say WHY you think so, give scriptural backing, and say who gets to make these calls. I can't help wondering if everyone who either believes or doesn't believe in Predestination agrees with you that it's a 'non-essential' or not, and the same goes for every other doctrine that you would put in the same category.
No wonder you don't believe teaching and teachers matter all that much. Sounds like what you consider the essentials is a very short list indeed. When I think of scriptures that talk about what Christians ought to do or not do, and doctrine and so forth, Acts 15:28,29 comes to mind. And I know from your Blood video that you don't abide by one of those. ("For the holy spirit and we ourselves...")and from your Teaching Requirement video you second-guess even a commandment of Jesus Christ! (Matthew 28:19,20)
To say that you are on shaky ground when you point fingers at others over observing clear Biblical mandates, would be an understatement. As is all too common in Christendom, you treat scripture as some kind of spiritual smorgasbord to pick and choose from. (If someone does so, they are essentially patronizing God and their worship is futile) If one gets to decide for themselves what aspects of Christianity to observe either from their own reading, aligning themselves with others of a like mind, or being persuaded by ones who seem more mature and knowledgeable, then the churches will be full of factions and you've set yourselves up for a 1 Corinthians 1:12; 3:4 situation. Pastors won't want to touch these issues with a ten foot pole for fear of schisms. Oh wait! That's what's been happening for ages now. Tell us again how JW's aren't united (It's uniformity according to you and your pals) and Christendom is.
"There are more than 45,000 Christian denominations globally and more than 200 in the U.S., according to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity."
(www.ocregister.com/2023/04/07/you-might-be-surprised-at-how-many-christian-denominations-there-are-in-the-world/)
I have to laugh every time I hear JW's use Prov. 8:30 to prove Jesus is created. If you go up just one verse to Prov. 8:29 "When he set a decree for the sea that its waters should not pass beyond his order. When he established the foundations of the earth" 30 Then I was beside him as a master worker I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time (NWT), ask them who laid the foundations of the earth. Then take them to Hebrews 1:10, “...At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands." (NWT). This verse is of course God The Father speaking about Jesus. Given what scripture says, you can only conclude that wisdom was with Jesus when He created the heavens and the earth which of course agrees with Genesis 1:1 " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Is one implying the Jesus was the Creator? How can he be? He himself is a created being. The First among those God created (Colossians 1:15).
John 5:30 I CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
Rather strange words from someone who is claimed to be the Creator, isn't it so.
@@jimjuri6490 You are correct. Jesus cannot be created because scripture clearly indicates that Jesus created all things (Colossians 1:16-20, John 1:3 Hebrews 1:8-12 etc.)
@@jimjuri6490 It's not strange at all if you're open to the idea that Jesus' role in eternity at creation is different than when he walked the Earth as a man...
@@jimjuri6490Colossians 1:15 does not say Jesus is the first among those God created .
Colossians 1:15,16 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth visible and invisible whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers all things were created through Him and for Him.
Note that verse 15 says the firstborn over all creation.
Not the first created and not the first among those God created. and in the very next verse it says For by Him all things were created.
The governing body tells you Jesus was the first among those God created and that Jesus is not the creator .
That's not what God's word written in the Bible says . God's word written in the Bible says All things were created by Jesus and God's word also says not one thing was created without Jesus . Out of the things that were created not one thing was created without Him. Therefore He can't be created .
Who you going to believe the word of men , the governing body or the word of God?
@@rickyoung360 : Jesus who couldn't do any miracles of his own created everything??????????
Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ was a man publicly shown to you by God through powerful works and wonders and signs that GOD DID THROUGH HIM in your midst, just as you yourselves know.
God created everything THROUGH Jesus, his Firstborn. Col 1:16, Heb 1:2.
I think what THROUGH means is clear and helpful.
Why? .. or did ya mean HOW?? (in Title).
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Thank you for the very kind and thoughtful response.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You forgot to mention Accurate. BTW, little thought is required, just observational and logical reflexes of the natural and actual mind. Thanks, bot. :) Your response was so polite - and I thank ya!!
You're welcome. I'm gonna pray for you. @@TargttdGma
To disprove the satanic deception of the GB of JW, Understand this ONE simple fact. Jesus said to his apostles = some of them will not die before they see him arrive in kingdom power. Mathew 16:28. This cannot mean the transfiguration because they were all alive and no apostle had died. Some would have to have died within the next few days according to Jesus if that is what He meant. Also Jesus could only return in Kingdom power after His death and resurrection. Another simple fact, How could Jesus become King in 1914 if He was king of kings on His resurrection more than a thousand years ago?
It’s totally false.
Psalms 78:51 Finally he struck down all the firstborn of Egypt,
Are these firstborns the same as King David being APPOINTED as Firstborn. Or Israel being CALLED firstborn by God. Obviously the ones who were struck down in Egypt were ACTUAL FIRSTBORNS.
Jesus is an ACTUAL FIRSTBORN among God's created Sons.
Looking for excuses to deny Jesus from his position in Creation makes it obvious as to who misreads what the Bible clearly states.
Help me understand what you just wrote. Are you saying Firstborn, always mean firstborn of a father? Or sometimes?
"Jesus is an ACTUAL FIRSTBORN among God's created Sons." Feel free to support that scripturally.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : If a father point to one of his children and tells someone, "This is my firstborn.". What does he mean?
Obviously it means that among all his children, this one was born FIRST.
If Jesus is called Firstborn of ALL CREATION (Col 1:15), it obviously means that HE was CREATED FIRST among all those whom God CREATED.
Jacob ACQUIRED the right of Firstborn.
David was APPOINTED firstborn in the line of Judean kings.
These were other uses of firstborn. But in each case the CONTEXT is given. So there can be no connection between those with ACTUAL FIRSTBORNS.
@@jimjuri6490 When did the Father call Jesus his Firstborn? Paul does. Also even if he did, The Father is still the actual Father of Jesus by flesh. Mary is his Mother, God is his Father. Therefor Jesus is the Firstborn of God in his flesh. But we’re talking about his pre-existence.
@@evanwindom3265 : Jesus himself stated that he was God's ONLY BEGOTTEN SON (John 3:16).
That shows that he was the FIRST among sons that God created.
Hebrews 5:8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered.
All ANGELS are Sons of God. Job 1:6.
How about finding a scripture that contradicts the above.
Colossians 1:15 begins by clearly stating that Jesus is not God. He is the IMAGE of God. Not God. Humans too were created in the IMAGE of God (Genesis 1:26). That didn't make humans God.
Then it goes onto state how Jesus came into existence which would be logical as only God has no beginning.
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of ALL CREATION. Which means that among all intelligent beings God created, Jesus was the FIRST.
(Psalm 89:27) And I will PLACE HIM (or MAKE HIM) as firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.
David was not the Firstborn of his family. He was MADE or APPOINTED that title in regard to the line of Judean Kings.
(Exodus 4:22) You must say to Pharʹaoh, ‘This is what Jehovah says: “ISRAEL IS MY SON, my firstborn.
God CHOOSES the Nation of Israel as His Firstborn among the nations. The one to produce the Messiah.
Adam was God's ACTUAL Firstborn among humans.
Genesis 4:1 Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant. When she gave birth to Cain, she said: “I have produced a male child with the help of Jehovah.” 2 Later she again gave birth, to his brother Abel.
Cain was Adam and Eve's ACTUAL FIRSTBORN. He was not appointed or chosen as firstborn.
Jesus too is an ACTUAL Firstborn of God's family.
Revelation 3:14...... These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD:
Looking for ways to mitigate what the scripture clearly states by comparing it to other uses of Firstborn in OTHER contexts begets the question. Who is trying to fool whom?
John 8:58 clearly states that Jesus is God.
@@misterauctor7353 :(John 8:58) Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”
Where in this scripture is Jesus clearly shown to be God?
Let us see what conspired after Jesus said that he existed before Abraham.
(John 8:59) So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.
The Jews thought Jesus a lunatic for claiming a greater age than he looked (cf verse 57).
And God ran and hid??????? Isn't there something wrong here?
@@tongakhan230 Don't used the NWT. It says "Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” Even your WT admits ego eimi is I am.
@@tongakhan230 If Jesus was claiming to be older, then the Jews would have laughed at him.
"Pay attention. This is how proper exegesis is done:
In John 8 Jesus said to the Jewish leaders, “Unless you believe that I AM (εγω ειμι) you will die in your sins” (v. 24 ESV). They missed it the first time, they didn't get what he was saying when he said, "I AM.” The Jewish leaders were standing there thinking, “I am what?! Who are you?” This discourse goes back and forth for a while. Finally, when Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus day, the Jews incredulously replied, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” (v. 57 ESV) Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was (γενεσθαι), I AM (εγω ειμι)” (v. 58 ESV). Jesus was not simply saying that he existed before Abraham. He didn't say “I was” (εγω ημην) but “I am” (εγω ειμι)-grammatically incorrect, theologically spot on! He was claiming to be Jehovah-the I AM of Deu 32:39, Isa 41:04, 43:10, 43:13, 48:12, etc.. The Jews got it this time, they understood what he was saying, which is why they picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy (which was the “penalty for blasphemy (Lev 24:16)-blasphemy here is regarded as laying claim to the divine ineffable name.”[1]
If people want to argue that Jesus was simply claiming to preexist Abraham then they have to explain the reaction of the Jews. If he was simply claiming to be older than Abraham they would have laughed at Him and thought He was crazy (Jews didn’t kill people for being crazy) but they understood He was claiming to be Jehovah.
Why did they instantly know he was claiming to be Jehovah and picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy? Because they knew their Bible! In Deu 32:39 (LXX)[2] it says, “ιδετε ιδετε οτι εγω ειμι, και ουχ εστιν θεος πλην εμου” (“Look! Behold, that I AM, and there is no God except me”) and Isa 43:10 it says, “‘You are my witnesses,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and my servant whom I have chosen ινα γνωτε και πιστευσητε και συνητε οτι εγω ειμι’” (“that you might know and might believe and might understand that I AM”). The Jews understood what Jesus was saying while JW’s refuse to acknowledge the crystal clear point John is making-Jesus is Jehovah, co-equal in nature to Jehovah the Father.
Furthermore, a similar Greek construction to John 8:58 is found in Ps 89:2 LXX (90:2 MT) which says,“before the mountains were… you are.” In Greek it says, “προ τοῦ ὄρη γενηθῆναι (‘came to be’)… συ εἶ (‘you are;’ the second-person equivalent of εγω ειμι).” “The Greek sentence here reflects the same grammatical structure as John 8:58 and uses the same verbs to make the same contrast between that which is created and temporal and the one who is uncreated and eternal.”[3] Murray Harris also says,“the timeless εἰμί points to the absolute, independent, and eternal existence of Jesus; it places Jesus ‘in God’s existence beyond time, in his eternal present’.”[4]
The translators of the NWT understand the implications of Jesus claiming to be the “I AM,” so they errantly translated εγω ειμι in John 8:58 as a historical present, “I have been.”[5] The NWT (1950 ed.) has a footnote that says, “It is not the same as ὁ ὤν (ho ohn’, meaning ‘The Begining’ or ‘The I Am’) at Exodus 3:14, LXX.” Daniel Wallace points out that “this is a negative admission that if ἐγὼ εἱμί is not a historical present, then Jesus is here claiming to be the one who spoke to Moses at the burning bush, the I AM, the eternally existing One, Yahweh (cf. Exod 3:14 in the LXX, ἐγὼ εἱμι ὁ ὤν).”[6] Wallace demonstrates that there are several problems grammatically with seeing εγω ειμι as a historical present:
1) Historical presents are usually wedged in between aorist (or imperfect) indicatives, not infinitives.
2) This would be the only historical present in the NT that uses εἰμί.
3) This would be the only historical present in the NT that is not in third person.
For these reasons, Wallace says “The burden of proof, therefore, lies with the one who sees εἰμί as ever being used as a historical present.”[7]
JW’s will also object saying that εγω ειμι is used by people who were not claiming deity (cf. Joh 4:26, 9:9, etc.). This is correct, εγω ειμι “does not necessarily imply deity when it contextually implies, ‘I am (the one in question)’... [but] when ‘I am’ lacks even an implied predicate, however, it becomes unintelligible except as an allusion to God’s name in the Hebrew Bible or LXX….The absolute use of the expression in 8:58, contrasted explicitly with Abraham’s finite longevity, clearly refers to a Jewish name for God.”[8]
Contextually, grammatically, and intertextually, there is no question that Jesus was claiming to be the “I AM” of Deu 32:39, Isa 43:10… and Exo 3:14. In other words, Jesus claimed to be Jehovah.
[1] Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015), ePub, 8:59.
[2] The reason for appealing to Deu 32:39 and Isa 43:10 is because JW’s will argue that since the Greek in Exo 3:14 is not exactly the same as John 8:58 (Exo 3:14 says εγω ειμι ο ων) that Jesus wasn’t laying claim to Exo 3:14. See the article “Exo 3:14 - I AM that I AM,” which demonstrates that the divine name (Yahweh/Jehovah) is derived from a verb of present tense form, “I am.” That article also addresses the JW objection that “I AM” is not a name.
[3] Robert M. Bowman Jr. and J. Ed Komoszewski, Putting Jesus in His Place (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 2007), ePub, Jesus has always been there.
[4] Harris, John, 8:58.
[5] To my knowledge, this is the only place in the NT where the NWT translates εγω ειμι as a historical present, providing evidence that this choice was theologically motivated in order to obscure the fact that Jesus here claims to be the “I AM” of Exo 3:1.
[6] Daniel B Wallace, Greek Grammar beyond the Basics : An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1997), 531.
[7] Wallace, GGBB, 530.
[8] Craig S. Keener, The Gospel of John : A Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Academic, 2012), 769-770."
@@misterauctor7353 : The Greek is 'ego eimi' . Tons of people used it. Google it.
It has nothing to do with any name.
Jesus says "I am he". If anyone just says "I am" without defining what, would it make sense?
Paul states "I am a Jew" at Acts 22:3. Same Greek word.
Going to extremes to make Jesus into God by doing word comparisons is for what reason?
The Jews took stones to throw at Jesus because they thought he was a lunatic. It wasn't to kill him.
John 8:59. And do we see 'Almighty God' running and hiding from the Jews???? Mind blowing to say the least.
Some people just have no idea who the Creator of the energy pulsating Universe is.
Maybe it is YOU who misreads the Bible ! Many people I meet tell me that there pastor says this or that and do NOT even read their Bibles. I have been involved in public ministry for over 30 years and I can tell you from experience that there are many people who just depend on what their pastor or priest says. For example, I met a lady in my ministry and she asked me a question, telling me I was wrong about what I believed, and I asked her to look up a verse from the book or Ephesians, and I was astonished that she could not even find where it was in the Bible, she was looking in the old testament for the book of Ephesians ! So if she is that unfamiliar with her Bible, she must being just listening to what her pastor tells her !
Sometimes it is a matter of translation too, for example the Greek word "Stauros" should be translated as "pole or stake" and yet SOME translators have incorrectly translated it as cross, which is a mistake picked up in the 3rd century when pagan Rome took over a the head of Christianity, but do people like "dark over light ministry" listen, NO ! they just read and hear what they want to believe and do not allow God's mighty hand to re-adjust their thinking, remember God is NOT one to be mocked, we must worship God with spirit and with truth !
Like some would see this video and fall for what it claims. Never checking.
You didn't address the video. And, JWs don't misread the Bible a lot.
@@STRONDYou meant to say they correct translate it as cross because it can mean cross.
@@STRONDYou are mocking God if anything.
You could say this about any religion, they all cherry pick scriptures, I worked with a very religious guy and asked him why the word trinity was NOT in the Bible, he told me it was? But couldn't find it in his Bible! A couple of days later he admitted the word trinity is not in the Bible but showed me John 1:1, only ONE scripture he said proving the trinity and I said that doesn't prove the trinity there's only two mention there. I noticed you used the name Jehovah several times this guy I worked with told me God's name is NOT Jehovah. This is why there's a 1000 Christian religions they all cherry pick scriptures
💰JW💵CULT💰
Witnesses are no different than any other denomination of modern day Christianity - they all preach another Christ and gospel knowingly - their blood be upon their own heads
Lovely. Which Christ and Gospel should they be teaching?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
(Matthew 15:24) I am NOT sent but unto the lost SHEEP of the house of ISRAEL
PAUL
(Romans 9:3-5) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for "my brethren" "my kinsmen" according to the FLESH who are ISRAELITES to whom "pertaineth" the ADOPTION and the GLORY, and the COVENANTS, and the giving of the LAW and the SERVICE of God, and the "PROMISES" whose are the fathers, and of whom as "concerning" the FLESH Christ "came" who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen
(👆all things including Christ sacrifice)
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
ISAIAH
(Isaiah 53:5,8) But he was wounded for OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, he was bruised for OUR iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes WE are Healed for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of "MY PEOPLE" was he stricken
(👆 Isaiah's people are the ethnic Israelites)
PETER
(1st Peter 2:24) Who his own self bare "OUR" sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes "YE" were healed
(👆same people in the NT)
ANGEL OF GOD
(Matthew 1:21) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS for he shall save "HIS PEOPLE" from THEIR sins
(Matthew 2:6) And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule "MY PEOPLE ISRAEL"
👆 Everyone knows that the false image of Christ preached around the globe is unbiblical and comes with a false gospel consisting of lies such as God loves everybody and Christ died for all - which is the doctrine of devil's warned of in scripture - Christ's sacrifice was for ethnic Israel only and God definitely doesn't love everybody see "Malachi 1:2-4" 👈 before Christ's sacrifice
"Romans 9:13" 👈 after Christ's sacrifice
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I think this is the guy who teaches that salvation is only for the Jews, DH. He's made similar anti-Christian comments on other videos.
@@evanwindom3265 Ah, thanks Evan.
As an exJW I find it sad that all Christianity does is waste most of their time "proving" the other cult is false but "they have the magic combo to decipher the mystery". No cult can tell you what daniel or revelation, the old bibles use 616 not 666 but they are clueless. Religion is such a waste of time except for the people at the top. M, M, L, and John were written in that order in 25 year increments and with each iteration the stories became more fantastic. Shocker the cornerstone of most cults is the Book of John. They had 100 years to to get the con right. The Trinity is an example that not only JW's have exposed but they still cling to it why? Because that's what they were brainwashed with. Voltaire said "more people are fooled by hope than by deceit" and the religions cos artist figured that out centuries ago. The immortal soul is another con game. Sure it's pretty easy to expose JW's, the Governing Body is a clown show but you can expose any one of these cults just as easy.
Just want to ask, have I ever said there was a “magic combo to decipher the mystery”?
Come on, I knocked door-to-door (you know just like Jesus told his disciples to do) and I would just read a scripture and ask what they think it means and you get crazy nutty answers. I was shocked at how little people actually know about the Bible, all I heard is "what my pastor says". They just go to church and listen to the basic Jesus scripts brainwashed from birth. All they have to do is accept it and viola - I'm going to walk on streets of gold. Have you ever really thought about what you are going to do in heaven? Praise god forever - really. There are 1000's of scriptures that can be interpreted in a many different ways. JW's just have a timeline/false promise that differs from Main Stream religion and in many cases that's what people are looking for, throw in persecution and you hook them. They really do study and put a lot of time researching but in the end they are just men peddling false hope, like all religion. I'm sure you peddle persecution also. Daniel and Revelation simply can't be read and easily understood so that's where the "holy spirit" peddlers come in - they say god spoke to them. It's all nonsense. There is a revelation of peter just as confusing as the revelation of john and 1000's of other letters that didn't make the cut for the NT. It took 300 years to ratify the NT letters. 300 years, let that sink in. 300 years to select the letters for the perfect con game. If the Bible was written by god you would think he would write a book anyone could understand (and not kill each other over) and prove could only be written by god. Science has disproved much of the so called science facts. Did god warn Adam and Eve if they ate from the Tree of Knowledge they will burn forever in hell? Or did he say they will die and go back into the ground. If there is a hell your god is a monster for not warning them. @@LightoverDarkMinistry
Considering the Bible is 100% open to anyone’s interpretation, how are you able to make the claim that JW’s are misinterpreting it? What makes you an authority? Were you there when it was written? Have you communicated with the Bible writers? PROVE YOUR CLAIM!
You claim "the Bible is 100% open to anyone’s interpretation"
To make a claim like that, you must have communicated with the bible writers.
You appear to be an authority
PROVE YOUR CLAIM. 100 % proof.
@@terryowens577
There are over *45,000* Christian sects and denominations globally. One reason for this is the wide variety of _differing beliefs based on differing interpretations of the Bible._ The OP is correct. If there is a singular Biblical message with a singular interpretation of that message, as Christians claim, what is your explanation as to why there are 45,000 'interpretations' necessitating 45,000 variations of how to understand that clear-as-mud message?
The OP is not required to be in communication with any Bible writer (an impossible requirement). One only has to observe the plainly obvious, and then draw a logical conclusion based on the observable evidence.
Only those to whom God wants, He gives understanding of the scriptures. Others can read it all day long yet see only what they want or like to see.
(Daniel 12:10) Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and NONE OF THE WICKED WILL UNDERSTAND; but those having insight will understand.
To not understand the wicked must read the scriptures, logically.
@@jimjuri6490 the verse you quoted has nothing to do with your first paragraph. The phrase "He gives understanding of the scriptures" is not alluded to or mentioned in the verse you gave.
Better luck in the future, but for now, you must go back to learning when a verse from the bible is appropriate to support your view.
This was not such an instance.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 a elementary rule that was employed was turning the claim on itself.
Dalex60 made several claims.
I never made a claim.
Dalex 60 is required to prove his claims.
As I, Myself never made a claim, I therefore am not required to provide an explanation.
This is understood by most people with adequate education. Better luck in the future.
To reiterate, the person making the claim must provide evidence.
The person asking the question, does not nor have they ever been required to give evidence for the OTHER PERSON making a claim.
Back to school, boy !