The janitor and his wife at my job are JW. They shun both their children . As a parent and grandparent, I cannot fathom allowing anything to come between me and my family.
G'day D H, you should become a carpenter, You are very good at hitting every nail on the head. As you pointed out clearly, the JWs are the masters at circular reasoning.
And the two witnesses are ? Rev 11:6 reveals they would cause havoc in people's lives.. Can you point to any evidence that that's so ? Yes..me too.. That's something we need to look for tk find out who it is God is using. The up to date instructions are most helpful.
@@RowanTasmanian who was it that said Jesus was mad..were they believers at the time..and were they correct in saying that..? The two witnesses , the title Gods representatives are given in the bible book of revelation 11. Also..coincidentally.. a controversial issue of which activists and apostates are well aware . The two witnesses.. Gods representatives .
@@joJo56976 That is your own opinions not from the Bible 🤣, so which Christians are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus christ said? Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 JW are not preaching the gospel of Gal 1:8. They are preaching a false gospel with to class of christhians and two different hopes. If you preach one thousand hours a false gospel you are NOT doing God’s work.
@@joJo56976 So which people are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus christ said????Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses.
Iv been waking up from this nightmare for the last few years, I really can’t believe iv been in a cult all my life, I’m in my 40s now and so scared where I go from here!! My wife still believes, I love her so much, but don’t know how to tell her where I’m with this now!!
I went through the same thing in 2000 at the age of 30. I was able to get out along with my family and keep my marriage intact. It was the hardest thing I've ever done, but so worth it in the end. If I could offer some unsolicited advice: 1) DON'T PANIC!!! You may get panic attacks, recognize them for what they are and work through them. It may help to get some professional counselling if that's feasible. Don't make rash decisions without thinking them through. You have time. 2) Keep loving your wife. My wife had no doubt that I loved her, and our commitment to one another helped keep us together. 3) Don't lose your faith in God. I went through an atheist/agnostic period of about a year. I wasn't sure if there was a God, but was thinking that there probably wasn't. I rebuilt my belief system brick-by-brick. Some wonderful books by Lee Strobel lay out some very faith-building lines of reasoning. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Feel free to reach out to me if you want to bounce some thoughts off someone who has gone through something similar, or have any questions that you want to work through. My personal email is vincentmontoyaatgmaildotcom.
@@joseph_miller I would be happy to discuss with you the many reasons why the JWs along with the Mormons, Scientology etc are cults. With 40 years of getting people out of cults, the JWs have all the classic traits of a cult. BTW, can you advise with any logical reasoning why as you stated "it's not a cult". What makes you state something silly like that, when you will give all your allegiance to a GROUP of Men telling what what YOU must do and who live hundreds to thousands of miles away from you and whom you most likely have never met. If you disobey any of their orders Will you still be allowed in that GROUP ???????????? Or must YOU follow every order to remain in that GROUP ????? They own you. Please try and prove me wrong Joseph Miller. You made a claim, now back it up with facts. Thank You
@@RowanTasmanian I give my allegiance to the Christ and to him alone. Jehovah’s Witnesses are a worldwide religion. Not a cult. The term “cult” is a judgement word used as an ad hominem attack and to influence and/or bias others. The term means nothing really. I’m sure you would have labeled Jesus and his 12 apostles a cult too.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏I loved this!! Thank you!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 The one truth they speak is, "our god" and that's pretty much it. Too bad they're not out saving souls from eternal damnation. God bless you! 🌿✝️🌿🪻
@@terridovey7648 Hi Terri,Which country are you from? Do you fancy having a long conversation over religion? Iam an ex Catholic and have been studying the Bible for over a year now.What about you?
Some teachings do not originate from the bible but from ancient Babylon.. Interesting project to Google that subject. Rev 18:4 says GET OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE..A warning of which Gods people take notice .
@@joseph_millerwhy don’t you just accept the fact that you’ve been duped by lying conmen and move on with life? You’re embarrassing yourself. You haven’t done a single bit of research about anything, have you? You didn’t even watch this video.
@@allangrant6349 I’m using the Dead Sea scrolls and other historical translations to demonstrate what they have changed in their bible to match their doctrine…that doesn’t match with the original books.
This was awesome! Thank you, as always. I'd like to be able to commit this one to memory. I have a few JW friends that are actually still speaking with me and I would like to be able to logically go through jw history and the Bible with them to show them they are dead in their sins still and need Jesus, not the Organization if they want reconciliation with God. The Holy Spirit is working on them! I've been able to talk to a couple of them very bluntly and they still are sticking around.
you CANNOT DENY HISTORY AND FACT that the current form of trinity was formulated AFTER ABOUT 400 YEARS -BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@larysnw418"The great African fashioned the Latin language of the Trinity, and many of his words and phrases remained permanently in use: the words Trinitas and persona, the formulas 'one substance in three persons,' 'God from God, light from Light.' He uses the word substantia 400 times, as he uses consubstantialis and consubstantivus, but hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for he does not apply the words to Trinitarian theology" (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost: three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in substance, but in form; not in power, but in aspect; yet of one substance, and of one condition, and of one power, inasmuch as He is one God, from whom these degrees and forms and aspects are reckoned, under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Against Praxeas, by Tertullian) 200 AD Tertullian "So too, that which has come forth out of God is at once God and the Son of God; and the two are one.... In his birth he is God and man united." (Apology, ch 21).
Oh dear.You are another one who believes this nonsense 😊 It's actually quite sad how so many people know so little about the bible.99% come in to these apostate sites and just believe everything their told to be factual when it's utter nonsense.Rather than spend time on here,why not study the bible instead.
You have got to be having a laugh! It just shows that 99% of people are clueless regarding the bible and can be very easily misled.Your a prime example.
Nope. That’s how it is presented to slant people’s opinion on them. (Matthew 11:18, 19) The “truth” is a way of life as delineated by the Scriptures. That is how they view it.
@adolfonorcisa6772 Nope, the truth for the j-dubs is whatever the leadership i.e. the governing body tells them e.g. wicked men of Sodom won't be resurrected, then they said they will, then they said they won't, then... you get the point... I hope.
For decades, they have referred to what they've taught as "The Truth". But then they change some of the doctrines, and call the new stuff "The Truth". So, clearly, either the old stuff wasn't the truth, or the new stuff isn't the truth, or NEITHER is. They call their new doctrines "new light" and explain that God didn't fully reveal the truth initially. Apparently, then, it's *_God's_* fault that what they used to call "The Truth" no longer is (or never was). This also directly contradicts their own statement in the study version of the July 2020 WatchTower, page 10, para 7, which starts "The truths of God’s Word remain constant." Isn't the fact that they have to change "truths" prove that what they have is not "the truths of God's Word" by their own standard since the "truths" haven't remained constant? Of course, they will trot out the old taunt about "Well, at least we fix our mistakes." *_That's not the point._* If the GB were indeed hearing from God, they wouldn't make those mistakes in the first place. Can the GB point to single place in scripture where a prophet of God had to come back later and say, "Yeah, so... My bad. That was wrong. But here's the *_real_* truth"? The very fact that they refer to changing their previous versions of "The Truth" as "fixing our mistakes" is tacit admission that it wasn't the truth at all. I pray that they do find the truth -- the true Gospel of the true Christ. “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” - John 8:32.
@larysnw418 Are you just trolling, or do you honestly think they've never changed any doctrines? The blood doctrine has changed three times. The identity of the faithful slave has changed twice. Even 1914 has changed. They have a whole page on their website that spells out the beliefs they've "clarified" over time.
@larysnw418bull crap! They have changed the generation teaching 5 times!! Rutherford claimed the resurrection was going to take place in 1925! Not to mention their 1975 debacle! 1950-1980 they claimed receiving an organ transplant was cannibalism! How many died in those 30 years from that doctrine! They are a blood guilty cult!!!!
Great explanation! Have you thought about doing a video about Charles Taze Russell? I believe he began sowing the seeds of his ministry at 18 which makes you wonder today if anyone would take the gospel from a high school senior who didn’t like the religion they were brought up in? The witnesses are so proud to say he started the religion but get defensive and embarrassed about him when it comes to showing them how drastically different his interpretations and “old light” it is.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry yay! It’s always a topic they love to sweep under the rug and try to evade when you try to discuss. They are happy to mention him when it serves their agenda amongst themselves. What’s interesting was my parents have a photo of Charles T Russell proudly displayed in their house but there is not one image of Jesus (because it’s considered idolatry)
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Followers of Christ. Hi Vusi, I answered your "simple question," hope all is well with you. Call on the name of Jesus for salvation, be set free from Watchtower.
you CANNOT DENY HISTORY AND FACT that the current form of trinity was formulated AFTER ABOUT 400 YEARS -BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 volunteer labour.. they are now building buildings that look nothing like places of worship in order to be able to resell them easily. they say they are "flexible" buildings and invent reasons to justify their construction.. it's so disgusting.
@@joJo56976 Trust me. I know the scheme. Just like McDonald's is not in the hamburger business, they're in the real estate business, WT is not in the religion business. WT has always been a real estate company followed closely by being a publishing company. *"flexible" buildings* = buckle up, JWs. After you pay the building off and we gain some appreciable equity, we're going to sell it out from under you and make you pay for another one. All profits go to WT. Wash, rinse, repeat.
@@joJo56976 Sorry, what should a place of worship look like? Can't recall any instructions on that in the NT. As a matter of fact, the early Church met in homes didn't they? I suppose you think ones giving talks should wear priestly garments. You know, so they LOOK LIKE religious leaders.
@@mattgardiner614 they build condos, business buildings, etc. nothing for worship. One example among many others, in 2019 the WT bought a building for around 2 million dollars, in Florida. supposedly to translate the Bible into sign language (they already had all the facilities for this project). They are renovating the building and in February 2020 they are having a special meeting to inaugurate the building. In this meeting, not even a year after the purchase of the building and just a few months after the end of the renovations, they announce that they have finished the translation of the entire Bible (a project that took 15 years in total)! In the same meeting, they inaugurate the building purchased for the project ... and they announce that they have finished the project!! What did they do then.. put the building up for sale for 4 million (a nice profit of 2 million without paying taxes because of a religious privilege). they make fun of people. real clowns.
What I found the elephant in the room? Jeffrey Jackson and the ARC...when questioned on the Holy Spirit monopoly he answered " not necessarily". " It would be presumptuous".
@@joseph_miller Yes, he did. There's no shortage of videos on RUclips showing Jackson's testimony. Are you lying for WT, joseph? Or, just uninformed? This is a direct quote from that testimony: ARC Attorney Mr. Stewart: "And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on earth?" Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson: "That I think *would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson God is using.* The scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with God's spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregation."
@@Mr.DC3.1914 So 9 guys in New York are on the same level as Jesus and the angels? You also missed a glaringly obvious point: Jackson mentioned neither Jesus nor the angels, did he? And, Jackson is not only wrong, but he LIED! What he said in court is the exact opposite of what WT says in print. Here is what WT *really* teaches, which totally contradicts what they say when they're lying to the Australian Royal Commission: "Is it *presumptuous* of Jehovah’s Witnesses to point out that *they alone* have God’s backing? . . . The facts speak for themselves." w01 6/1 p.16, par. 17 "Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the *only* channel for dispensing spiritual food." w16 November p.19, par.9 Since the 9 guys in New York are the "only" channel for dispensing spiritual food, that means the angels are just S.O.L., doesn't it? You're doing the predictable and tiresome thing JWs always do, mrdc- you just can't accept the evidence in front of you, _even when it's in print from your own organization._ You have to heavily editorialize and rationalize and mold it to your own opinions in order to justify believing it.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 you are TWISTING AND MIXING, the question is GOD'S ONLY SPOKESPERSON. and then YOU twist it by quoting a WT that says GOD'S BACKING and also CHANNEL. BACKING and Spokesperson and CHANNEL are ALL different words AND TOPIC. Jesus ENTRUSTED TO HIS SLAVES GOD's household - Mat 24 & 25, and other religions all teach and think that those are just FAKE/IMAGINARY MASTER AND SLAVES.
The Jewish God's name is definitely NOT Jehova, the "e..o..a" vocals is a misunderstanding. The Jewish God's name is "YHWH" which means "I am that I am" which in Hebrew is pronounced "YaHWeH", which is Gods name and what he asked to be called. NOT Jehovah!
Search RUclips NEHEMIA GORDON HEBREW BIBLE SCHOLAR Why Jehovah or Yehovah the true name of God. So you will know Jehovah witnesses is the only true religion.
I believe Russell went around his city going door to door to recruit people for his bible study. Rutherford liked the idea and just like you said was also inspired by the door to door salesmen of the time. I wonder if one of those traveling salesmen on the train in the Music Man was a JW. Even if he did know the territory. The JW family I lived next door to growing up used Acts 20:20 and Acts 5:42 as their reason for going house to house. I also get this on social media debates with JWs.
In the book of Acts, the apostles and disciples preached the Kingdom message from house to house. Jehovah’s Witnesses follow that example. Acts 20:20 and 5:42
@@joseph_miller Well I don’t want to misrepresent anyone’s faith. I see you have some thoughts on where I was wrong. What do you believe is the greatest evidence that JW’s are the true religion?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Everyone thinks their religion is the true religion, otherwise why would they still be a part of whatever religion they belong to. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the only group of people who think they have true religion. Jehovah’s Witnesses is 1st century Biblical Christianity restored. It was prophesied after Jesus’s apostles died off a great apostasy or falling away would occur. It was also prophesied in the final part of the days, true worship would be restored. As far as your question. Greatest evidence? In the model prayer or Lord’s Prayer, Jesus prayed that God’s name would be sanctified and God’s Kingdom would come to earth. Who is actually sanctifying God’s name today and who is even talking about God’s Kingdom, as Jesus taught it, a real government to rule over the earth. Who is fulfilling Mt 24:14 today?
@@joseph_miller That's an interesting take, thanks for that. I honestly love talking to Witnesses and those of many faiths. I have no doubt you'd love to share, being a committed JW, so will you email me, ( email is in the "about" section.) I would love to talk privately 1 on 1, I would love to really understand what you believe.
🤔... Within the religions that call themselves Christian, the JW hold the main biblical truths, however that, by itself, does not make them the true religion, as they also embrace a lot of falsehood. The reality is that there is no true human religion! No organized religion is! All of them are part of "Babylon the Great" !!! Jesus is the ONLY "WAY" to GOD, HIS FATHER, the ALMIGHTY. IHVH ! John 14 : 6 💜
8 billion people, many different beliefs... anyone saying their belief is the only truth is simply ignorant & arrogant. Acknowledging a higher power & striving to be the best version of yourself might just be the greatest truth of all !!! Be humble Be honest Be real & strive for Love.
You asserted: "anyone saying their belief is the only truth is simply ignorant & arrogant." Those who disagree with you can use your exact quote to refute what you just asserted to be true. Thus, your assertion is meaningless.
Jehovah and the Letter J His true Name Yahweh was cloaked through the centuries by the erroneous “Jehovah.” **The name Jehovah is an ** IMPOSSIBILITY!! *** because there was **never a letter “J” or sound of a J in the Hebrew or Greek languages from which our Bible translations are derived. Not even the early 1611 King James English Bible used the letter J, but employed the letter “I” instead. In Psalm 68:4 it reads, “...extol him that rideth upon the heavens, by his Name IAH...” **The letter J came into widespread use **only 600 years ago, becoming the newest letter to join the English alphabet.*** Before its debut, the J had a Y sound and grew out of the vowel “i,” which is why the lower case “j” is dotted like the “i” and was given a hooked tail to distinguish it from the “i.” The Encyclopedia Americana says, “The form of J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century.” The Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th Edition, agrees that the J is only a modification of the Latin I and dates back with a separate value ***only to the 15th century. Funk and Wagnall’s Encyclopedia (1979 edition), volume 14, page 94 under “J,” states: “J, the tenth letter and seventh consonant in the English alphabet. It is the latest addition to the English script and has been inserted in the alphabet after I, from which it was developed…” **The Jewish Encyclopedia calls the word Jehovah **“a philological impossibility.” The Barnhart Concise Dictionary of Etymology says ***that Jehovah is an erroneous transliteration of the Hebrew name YHWH, “often represented as Yahweh” (1995). In the preface to the Revised Standard Version of the Bible is the following statement: ***“The form Jehovah is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name [YHWH] and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. The sound of Y is represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin. **The word ‘Jehovah’ does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew,” pp. 6-7. The Moffatt Bible says in the preface about the Jehovah: “Strictly speaking, this ought to be rendered ‘Yahweh,’ which is familiar to modern readers in the erroneous form of ‘Jehovah.’ Were this a version intended for students of the original, there would be no hesitation whatever in printing ‘Yahweh.’” ***The name Jehovah is a synthetic blend. **It even has a shocking aspect. 6 The suffix hovah is No. 1943 in Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of ***“ruin: mischief.” It is another form of No. 1942, havvah, which is translated ***“calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness.”** Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius says of No. 1943, hovah: “ruin, disaster.”** No wonder the Rotherham Bible refers to the name Jehovah as a MONSTROUS HYBRID!** Even the Jehovah’s Witnesses acknowledge that the name Jehovah falls short. Their book, “Let Your Name Be Sanctified” freely admits on pages 16 and 18 that **Yahweh is the SUPERIOR translation of the Tetragrammaton* Now go and read the 3rd commandment
@@tun2w CORRECT; -- Until the year 1524, there was no letter 'J' in the alphabet. The letter 'J' was originally the same letter as 'I. ' The 'father of the ' letter j is Gian Giorgio Trissino, an Italian author and grammarian who lived from 1478 to 1550. NO Letter j in any alphabet whatsoever some 600 years ago!! So, ask yourself a serious question how could there be a Messiah with the name “Jesus” some 2000 years ago?? If you don't believe me seek the truth with your whole heart for yourself it shall be revealed when you hunger for the truth! that much!! It means more to you than hundreds of thousands of dollars then you will know who I AM is May the Almighty creator of all things seen and unseen YAHweh Almighty bless you with all the wisdom you need to stand righteously before him on his GREAT DAY at the soon Return of our Jewish Messiah Yeshua "Jesus" is a counterfeit name from June 1632 Vatican City Rome, by the synagogue of Satan the Roman Catholic Church. "Jesus" is Latin form of Ge-sus with a Romanized "J". Jesus is still spelled Gesus in Italy which loosely translated is Earth Pig!! Furthermore "Jesus" is the Twisted GREEK/ROMAN/LATIN Wrongful “Translation” of the CORRECT HEBREW name of our MESSIAH YESHUA The Hebrew word for “He will save” is יושיע (“yoshia”) is derived from the root “to save” (ישע, yasha) and is the root word for the name of “Yeshua” (ישוע). The name given to our Messiah Yeshua reveals to us what he has done, the Messiah saves, the Messiah is our Goel, He is our redeemer. The etymology of the name Yeshua (ישוע) shows that it is a contraction on the name Yehoshua (יהושוע). The meaning of the name Yeshua (ישוע) is provided for us explicitly within the text in Matthew 1:21: “She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Yeshua, for he will save his people from their sins.” Brit Chadashah indicates Adonai Elohim יהוה אלהים the LORD GOD 'sent His only begotten son' [John 3:16] Yeshua ישוע to 'lay down His life for us' [1 John 3:16] to redeem us from our debt of sin before Avinu Sha'ba'sha'mayim אבינו שבשמים our Father in heaven. As a result of these things, we are told there is power in the name Yeshua and that power is sustained by the authority of the one who stands behind that name according to the Scriptures. -- yeshua.org/who/what-does-yeshua-mean/
Good information, but the letter "J" is basically irrelevant. Nothing about the name "Jehovah" has anything to do with YHWH or the Hebrew language. It is a grammatically impossible rendering of YHWH concocted by 13th century Catholic monk Raymundus Martini. I find it hilarious that Jehovah's Witnesses are so attached to a fictitious Catholic name for god while simultaneously teaching that the Catholic Church is 'foremost' among Christendom's apostate religions under the leadership of Satan.
@@sherridungan6449 , God's name is YHWH Pronounced Yahweh in Hebrew and translated into English language is at Exodus 6:3 and Psalms 83:18 God's Son's name is Yeshua and translated into English language is Jesus
Acts, 5:28-31, / Deut,32:39, /1st, Sam, 2:6,/ 2nd, Kings, 5:7, these scriptures will prove that when Jesus says, "Destroy this temple and i will raise it within 3 days,, a SWORD to Pharisees , Sadduces, and Christian theologists,
Pray first and just tell her . She may not like it but stick to your truth. It may be hard bit rely on God to guide you. And pray for your wife. You onow its not true and tjere is no real happiness in that very fake cult. Leave it and hopefully your wife will follow
First of all, i like the efforts you put in the video. I myself am critical of JW, i dont swallow what i hear them say. Im not a jehovahs Witness, but i know many people who are and i have disagreements with things there. I agree with some of your points, including the use of gods name, but disagree with some points also. I hope i dont misrepresent what you are saying. I dont think a lot of there prophecies are correct as you pointed out. Agree with the point that love is primary and where you go is secondary and there are many people who show deep love without being religious and there many who go to even kingdomhall and arent loving, great point. Good people are rare, despite the religion. Most people go church because of selfish reasons and few ever really become loving. Many people start off going to gives hope, but many never really grow to where it is real. I think that when you are convincing people of god telling them to repent is often not going to help. There is a wrong and a right way of doing things. You have to show people why what they are doing benefits them. Thats why its never, u are a sinner and u are going to die and its, do you want a better life because thats gods aim also. Jehovahs' witness teach self accountability which is missing from most churches, thats the truth i believe they preach. If you do something wrong you need to be punished because you will corrupt yourself. Initmacy(unless marriage) and drugs are addicting and its best to never have started because its difficult to stop .Most people do what they want because there is no consequnces socially and generations down the line fatherless occurs and the murder rate increases. That has always happened. How can a church teach truth if the members do whatever they want. Not only does it hurt them but if people on the outside see bad people they will not be motivated to join. They would rather stay home and read the bible and thats what is happening now. Also to your point about do it or we will hurt you. There is a saying religion gives people a bad reason to do something good. Which is true, but let me give u a good example of why is important. Imagine, having being an 18 girl, who is very attractive. You decide to get married. Now you realise that different men want you and you dont feel happy and you believe you always should be. You may, not be a good person yet. You have 2 children and a husband and youbare being flirted with at work. Many women ruin there family because of better oppurtunity, the children and the men are affected severely. The consequences force the women to chose to work on herself and become a better person. After becoming wiser she is thankful she didnt follow how she felt. People arent born good, they develop good and thats the purpose of religion. To protect you from harming yourself and others im hopes you develop into a better person. Thats why the divorce rates are over 50% and things in the us are going to get worse i can tell u that
I've just realised this this website and others like it as just full of people who like "talk the talk" but don't "walk the walk." It's just that simple that I have nothing more to say.
That your statement is untenable can be proven by the following example alone. Under your original thread on this video, I had confronted you with the following Bible text from the New World Translation and with the following questions. If you are confident in your point of view, you must be able to answer the 3 questions at the end of my comment. Otherwise, you will be one of those commentators who withdraw offended when they have to realize that they have become victims of false teachers. My comment to you under your second thread on this video: ================================================ With this in mind, I had confronted you with the following 3 questions in my last comment. Can I expect an answer to this question from you in the foreseeable future? In this discourse, Jesus mentioned another parable recorded in the Gospel of Matthew. In this parable, 3 different slaves are described, with whom their master settles accounts after his return. (Matthew 25:14-18) Matthew 25,14-21 ( N W T Study Edition) “14 For it is just l i k e a m a n about to travel abroad who summoned his slaves and entrusted his belongings to them. 15 He gave f i v e t a l e n t s t o o n e , t w o t o a n o t h e r , and one to still another, to each according to his own ability,j and he went abroad. 16 Immediately t h e o n e who received the five talents went and did business with them and gained five more. 17 Likewise, t h e o n e who received the two gained two more. 18 B u t t h e s l a v e who received just one went off and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money. =============================================================================================== 19 “ A f t e r a l o n g t i m e , t h e m a s t e r of t h o s e s l a v e s c a m e and settled accounts with them. ============================================================================================== 20 So t h e o n e who had received the five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me; see, I gained five talents more.’ 21 H i s m a s t e r said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You w e r e f a i t h f u l over a ============================= few things. I w i l l a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’* ============================================== 22 N e x t t h e o n e who had received the two talents came forward and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me; see, I gained two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You were faithful over a few things. I will ============================= a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’ ===================================== 24 “ F i n a l l y t h e s l a v e who had received the one talent came forward and said: ‘Master, I knew you to be a demanding* man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not winnow. 25 So I grew afraid and went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 In reply his master said to him: ‘ W i c k e d a n d s l u g g i s h * s l a v e , you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow? 27 Well, then, you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and o n m y c o m i n g I would have received it back with interest. 28 “‘Therefore, t a k e t h e t a l e n t a w a y f r o m h i m and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29 F o r t o e v e r y o n e who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 30 And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’ Jesus used a similar parable, but with the obvious intention of conveying the same message to his disciples. In this context, I would be grateful if you would answer the following 3 questions. 1.) Are you also convinced that Jesus, with his parables according to Luke 12:12-48 and Matthew 25:14-18, wanted to convey the same message to his apostles and us? 2.) Since Jesus declared in his parable according to Luke 12:43-44 that the Master would not put his slave over his possessions until after his coming, is it possible that Jesus performed this official act of appointment as early as 1914? (see Watchtower article, January 15, 2001, page 31) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watchtower January 15 2001, page 31 A Special Announcement AT THE conclusion of the annual meeting of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania on October 7, 2000, a special announcement was made by the chairman, John E. Barr of the Governing Body. This announcement built further on discourses given earlier that day by Theodore Jaracz and Daniel Sydlik.-See pages 12-16 and 28-31 of this magazine. Making a very significant point, Brother Barr stated: “‘The faithful and discreet slave’ and its Governing Body have had entrusted to them interests that are higher and far more encompassing than those granted to legal corporations. Set out in the chartered purposes of each of such entities are matters that are limited in their scope. Our Master, Jesus Christ, however, has appointed the faithful slave class over all his ‘belongings,’ or Kingdom interests here on earth.”-Matthew 24:45-47. Concerning the Pennsylvania corporation, Brother Barr added: “Ever since its incorporation in 1884, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania has played an important role in our modern-day history. Still, it is merely a legal instrument available for use by ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ when it is necessary.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.) If Jesus' parable is to be taken literally, according to which he will place a particular slave above "all his possessions" at his coming, then this statement would imply that all other of his slaves, especially the apostles of the first century, would be forever excluded from these blessings, or all these possessions. Is such an interpretation justifiable? Doesn't your organization hold the doctrine that all 144,000 "anointed Christians" will receive the same blessings equally?
A small addendum for the zealous Bible student: The same article mentions that the Watchtower Society, as a registered corporation, has held regular annual meetings since its inception. At one of these annual meetings in 1944, the number of shareholders entitled to vote was limited to a maximum of 500. Since the Watchtower Society, unlike all other religions, practices the true virtues of honesty and transparency, a representative of this "truly divine" organization will certainly not withhold the names of these shareholders from you. On this occasion, this representative will certainly be willing to give you an insight into the consolidated financial statements of the Watchtower Society, which also show the amount of annual profit or possible dividend distributions to shareholders. Watchtower 2001 January 15, page 28, ==================================== How the Governing Body Differs From a Legal Corporation ANNUAL meetings of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania have been held since January of 1885. When the ingathering of anointed Christians was underway in the late 19th century, the directors and officers of this corporation had the heavenly hope. In fact, this has almost always been the case. There was one exception. In 1940, Hayden C. Covington-then the Society’s legal counsel and one of the “other sheep,” with the earthly hope-was elected a director of the Society. (John 10:16) He served as the Society’s vice president from 1942 to 1945. At that time, Brother Covington stepped aside as a director to comply with what then seemed to be Jehovah’s will-that all directors and officers of the Pennsylvania corporation be anointed Christians. Lyman A. Swingle replaced Hayden C. Covington on the board of directors, and Frederick W. Franz was elected vice president. Why did Jehovah’s servants believe that all the directors and officers of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania should be anointed Christians? Because at the time, the board of directors and officers of the Pennsylvania corporation were closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, which has always been made up entirely of spirit-anointed men. A Historic Annual Meeting At the annual meeting held on October 2, 1944, in Pittsburgh, the members of the Pennsylvania corporation adopted six resolutions amending its charter. The charter had provided that voting shares be issued to contributors of funds to the Society’s work, but the third amendment eliminated that provision. A report on that annual meeting noted: “Membership in the Society will be l i m i t e d t o n o t m o r e t h a n 5 0 0 . . . Each one chosen must be a full-time servant of the Society or a part-time servant of a company [congregation] of Jehovah’s witnesses and must show the spirit of the Lord.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending hundreds of hours creating this content to help those lost find the true Christ while exposing the deeds of darkness, all of what scripture calls me to do… Is waking the walk. It’s just that simple.
You had announced in the comments under your second thread that you wanted to deliver the evidence that the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society had been appointed God's channel of communication in 1919. However, when asked how you can substantiate this claim with the Bible, you replied that you still had to do some research in the Bible. So far, you have failed to provide us with any evidence, because in the course of this investigation you have obviously become aware that you can no longer maintain this assertion. In this respect, I would like to accommodate you and, for your sake, simplify my question as follows. Jesus mentioned various parables in his end-time speech, in addition to the famous or most frequently quoted parable according to Matthew 24:45-47, from which the Watchtower Society derives its legitimacy as a "faithful slave". In this regard, Jesus also mentioned the parable of the master and his 3 slaves, to whom he entrusted various talents before his departure to settle accounts with them individually on his return. Astonishingly, Jesus did not speak of a single "faithful slave" in this context, but of 2 different "faithful slaves". It is noteworthy that the appointment of these slaves as "faithful" and acceptable by their master in this parable is accomplished only after his return. In this context, as a zealous Bible Student, you should ask yourself the following question: If, in your opinion, one of these "faithful slaves" is the governing body of the Watchtower Society, the question arises as to who is to be identified as the second of these "faithful slaves". Matthew 25,14-21 ( N W T Study Edition) “14 For it is just l i k e a m a n about to travel abroad who summoned his slaves and entrusted his belongings to them. 15 He gave f i v e t a l e n t s t o o n e , t w o t o a n o t h e r , and one to still another, to each according to his own ability,j and he went abroad. 16 Immediately t h e o n e who received the five talents went and did business with them and gained five more. 17 Likewise, t h e o n e who received the two gained two more. 18 B u t t h e s l a v e who received just one went off and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money. =============================================================================================== 19 “ A f t e r a l o n g t i m e , t h e m a s t e r of t h o s e s l a v e s c a m e and settled accounts with them. ============================================================================================== 20 So t h e o n e who had received the five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me; see, I gained five talents more.’ 21 H i s m a s t e r said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You w e r e f a i t h f u l over a ============================= few things. I w i l l a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’* ============================================== 22 N e x t t h e o n e who had received the two talents came forward and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me; see, I gained two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You were faithful over a few things. I will ============================= a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’ ===================================== 24 “ F i n a l l y t h e s l a v e who had received the one talent came forward and said: ‘Master, I knew you to be a demanding* man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not winnow. 25 So I grew afraid and went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 In reply his master said to him: ‘ W i c k e d a n d s l u g g i s h * s l a v e , you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow? 27 Well, then, you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and o n m y c o m i n g I would have received it back with interest. 28 “‘Therefore, t a k e t h e t a l e n t a w a y f r o m h i m and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29 F o r t o e v e r y o n e who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 30 And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’
@@MR-gx3gc Why can't you just answer simple questions? For instance which religion are you? Do you attend church to worship God Almighty? Are you baptised? ( Now these aren't difficult so let's see if you can answer them.)
Lol.......considering all religions are man-made mythology and fantastic stories, hearing different sects/cults arguing over who's fairy tale is the right one is hilarious at best,...yet sad at the same time....
Jeuss said the Good News was the Kingdom message. Luke 4:43 Jesus said he was sent to preach the Kingdom message. That message is that God’s Kingdom will come to earth Jesus will rule as King. The righteous will live forever on it. Psalm 37:29
to your comment: " Jeuss said the Good News was the Kingdom message. Luke 4:43 Jesus said he was sent to preach the Kingdom message. That message is that God’s Kingdom will come to earth Jesus will rule as King. " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Unfortunately, you missed an essential aspect in your presentation. Jehovah's Witnesses preach that the Kingdom has existed since 1914. Since its inception your organization has spreads the doctrine of the "invisible presence or parousia of Christ". Under Russell, the year 1874 was considered the decisive date. It was not until many years after Russell's death that the date for the beginning of Christ's invisible presence was changed to 1914. On this year, the kingdom is said to have been established. In this regard, I would like to draw your attention to the following prediction of Jesus in his famous end-time speech. Luke 17,26-30 ( N W T Study Edition) "26 Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were e a t i n g , they were d r i n k i n g , men were m a r r y i n g , women were being given in marriage u n t i l t h a t d a y w h e n N o a h entered into the ark, and the F l o o d c a m e and destroyed them all. 28 L i k e w i s e , just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were e a t i n g , they were d r i n k i n g , they were b u y i n g , they were s e l l i n g , they were p l a n t i n g , they were b u i l d i n g . 29 B u t o n t h e d a y t h a t L o t went out of Sodʹom, it r a i n e d f i r e and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be t h e s a m e o n t h a t d a y w h e n t h e S o n o f m a n i s r e v e a l e d . Jesus, in his speech, compared the beginning of his parousia, or the day of his return, to "the" day when Noah entered the ark and the flood devastated the earth, or to "the" day when Lot left Sodom and the city was destroyed by fire; both events were equally perceptible to all people and not just to Lot and Noah and their respective families. In addition, Jesus emphasized that his return, or rather the beginning of his parousia, will manifest itself in a tremendous natural spectacle that will be equally perceptible to all people on earth. Matthew 24,23-27 (N W T Study Edition) “23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’y or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For f a l s e C h r i s t s and f a l s e p r o p h e t s will arise and will p e r f o r m g r e a t s i g n s and wonders so as to m i s l e a d , if possible, e v e n t h e c h o s e n o n e s . 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the l i g h t n i n g comes out of the e a s t and shines over to the w e s t , s o t h e p r e s e n c e (note: " P a r o u s i a " ) o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e . Luke 24,22-24 ( N W T Study Edition) " 22 Then he said to the disciples: “Days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, but you will not see it. 23 A n d p e o p l e w i l l s a y t o y o u , ‘See there!’ or, ‘See here!’ Do not go out or chase after them. 24 For just as l i g h t n i n g f l a s h e s from one part of heaven to another part of heaven, s o t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e i n h i s d a y . At the same time, Jesus warned his true followers against supposed confreres who would appear publicly in his name with the message that his parousia had already taken its course in secret. Jesus therefore foresaw that supposed confreres would propagate the invisible beginning of his parousia in his name in order to legitimize their assertion that Jesus had entrusted them with special powers in the wake of this epochal event. The propagandists of such a message were described by Jesus himself as "false prophets" from whom his true followers should beware. Questions: ======== 1.) In the face of Jesus' personal warnings, do you still claim that you are preaching the gospel that Jesus entrusted to his apostles and all his true followers? 2.) When did your organization officially change the date for the beginning of the invisible presence of Christ from 1874 to 1914?
to your comment: "The earliest NT manuscripts scholars do have do not contain the Divine Name. These manuscripts date to the 3rd-4th centuries. What we do know is that manuscripts of the Hebrew Scriptures and Greek Septuagint dated from the 3rd century onward DO NOT contain the Divine Name, as does the manuscripts of the Hebrew Scriptures and LXX used in Jesus’s day. Is that evidence the original NT manuscripts contained the Divine Name? Possibly." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your explanations are incomprehensible to me. ============================================================================================== For the official facts compel you to openly admit that the Tetragrammaton or the name "Jehovah" is not detectable in any of the approximately 6,000 copies of the New Testament available today. ========================================================================================= I would like to emphasize that, contrary to your insinuation, I am not defending any particular version of the Bible, since I do not belong to any religious denomination, but I am very familiar with the teachings and history of your organization. Your organization rightly claims that God is the author of the Bible. In addition, your organization rightly declares that divine truth is found only in the Bible itself. If God is the author of all the scriptures that we now call the Bible, God must have personally ensured that all essential statements and elements have been preserved for posterity to this day. The thesis that God was not omnipotent and assertive enough to prevent malicious copyists of the New Testament scriptures from replacing the original name "Jehovah" with the word "Kyrios" implies that it cannot be ruled out that these copyists also manipulated or falsified other essential statements in the New Testament scriptures. This maxim is all the more true when it is claimed that God places special emphasis on the usage of this specific name in connection with his true worship. I hope that in light of these findings, you are aware of the implications of such a thesis. Against this background, there can be only one explanation for the absence of the Tetragrammaton or the name "Jehovah" in the New Testament Scriptures. The authors of the New Testament deliberately chose the word "Kyrios" in their writings at the behest of God. In this respect, I would be grateful if you would comment on the following question. In the next step I will return to the quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in the New Testament that you mentioned in which the Tetragrammaton appears, and shed light on an exemplary case. Question: ======== How do you assess the credibility of a Bible scholar who publicly declares that the authors of the Hebrew Scriptures did not originally use the Tetragrammaton, but the Hebrew word for "Lord" (Adonaj), which was only replaced by the Tetragrammaton in later centuries by malicious copyists? And it is precisely for this reason, that the word "Lord" would be found in the vast majority the printed version of the Old Testament today.
to your comment: Your knowledge is lacking. Only the original manuscripts are inspired, not translations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your reasoning is inconclusive. Why. Whether or not the original manuscripts still exist today is irrelevant if one is convinced that God, as the author of the Bible, has personally supervised the preservation of his writing to this day. If you question or doubt the foundations of this maxim, encourage every Bible critic to classify other essential statements and contents in the Scriptures as implausible or as the product of inventive copyists in later centuries. As mentioned, you need to be aware of the implications of such a thesis. In this respect, I would be grateful if you would comment on the following question. In the next step I will return to the quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in the New Testament that you mentioned in which the Tetragrammaton appears, and shed light on an exemplary case. Question: ======== How do you assess the credibility of a Bible scholar who publicly declares that the authors of the Hebrew Scriptures did not originally use the Tetragrammaton, but the Hebrew word for "Lord" (Adonaj), which was only replaced by the Tetragrammaton in later centuries by malicious copyists? And it is precisely for this reason, that the word "Lord" would be found in the vast majority the printed version of the Old Testament today.
In this regard, it would be very useful, of you were willing to deal with the following task. Once again I would like to verify the a c c u r a c y o f t h e t r a n s l a t i o n of your version of the Bible with a specific example. Who is consistently identified with "Kyrios" in the following scripture? What word did Paul write down several times in chapter 14? "Kyrios" or "Jehovah" To which Kyrios does the quotation in Romans 14:11 refer in light of the other revelations in the New Testament? And who did Paul have in mind when he recorded the word "Kyrios" several times in this chapter, if one is willing to consider the whole passage coherently? Thank you in advance for your response. Romans 1,1-6 ( N W T Study Edition) "1 Paul, a s l a v e o f C h r i s t J e s u s and called to be an apostle, set apart for God’s good news, 2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who came to be from the offspring of Davidc according to the flesh, 4 but who with power was declared God’s Sone according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead-yes, J e s u s C h r i s t o u r L o r d (note: " K y r i o s"). 5 Through him we received undeserved kindness and an apostleship with a view to obedience by faith among all the nationsh respecting his name, 6 among which nations you also have been called to belong to Jesus Christ- 7 to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones:i May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the L o r d (" K y r i o s") J e s u s C h r i s t. Romans Chapter 14 ( N W T Study Edition). "1 Welcome the man having weaknesses in his faith, but do not pass judgment on differing opinions. 2 One man has faith to eat everything, but the man who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls.d Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah (note: g r e e k : " K y r i o s " ) can make him stand. 5 One man judges one day as above another; another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day observes it to Jehovah (note: " K y r i o s "). Also, the one who eats, eats to Jehovah (note: K y r i o s") , for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat does not eat to Jehovah (note: " K y r i o s") , and yet gives thanks to God. 7 Not one of us, in fact, lives with regard to himself only, and no one dies with regard to himself only. 8 For if we live, we live to Jehovah (note: greek: " K y r i o s "), and if we die, we die to Jehovah ( " K y r i o s"). So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah. ( "K y r i o s") 9 F o r t o t h i s e n d C h r i s t died and came to life again, so that he might be L o r d (note: " K y r i o s") over both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother?For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 F o r i t i s w r i t t e n : “‘As surely as I live,’ says Jehovah (note: greek: "K y r i o s ") , ‘to me every knee will bend, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’” 12 So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God. 13 Therefore, let us not judge one another any longers but, rather, be determined not to put a stumbling block or an obstacle before a brother. 14 I know and am convinced in the L o r d ("K y r i o s") J e s u s that nothing is unclean in itself; only where a man considers something to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 For if your brother is being offended because of food, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not by your food ruin* that one for whom C h r i s t died. 16 Therefore, do not let the good you do be spoken of as bad. 17 For the Kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means* righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit. 18 For whoever s l a v e s f o r C h r i s t in this way is acceptable to God and has approval with men.
In this regard, it would be very useful, of you were willing to deal with the following task. Once again I would like to verify the a c c u r a c y o f t h e t r a n s l a t i o n of your version of the Bible with a specific example. Who is consistently identified with "Kyrios" in the following scripture? What word did Paul write down several times in chapter 14? "Kyrios" or "Jehovah" To which Kyrios does the quotation in Romans 14:11 refer in light of the other revelations in the New Testament? And who did Paul have in mind when he recorded the word "Kyrios" several times in this chapter, if one is willing to consider the whole passage coherently? Thank you in advance for your response. Romans 1,1-6 ( N W T Study Edition) "1 Paul, a s l a v e o f C h r i s t J e s u s and called to be an apostle, set apart for God’s good news, 2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who came to be from the offspring of Davidc according to the flesh, 4 but who with power was declared God’s Sone according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead-yes, J e s u s C h r i s t o u r L o r d (note: " K y r i o s"). 5 Through him we received undeserved kindness and an apostleship with a view to obedience by faith among all the nationsh respecting his name, 6 among which nations you also have been called to belong to Jesus Christ- 7 to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones:i May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the L o r d (" K y r i o s") J e s u s C h r i s t. Romans Chapter 14 ( N W T Study Edition). "1 Welcome the man having weaknesses in his faith, but do not pass judgment on differing opinions. 2 One man has faith to eat everything, but the man who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls.d Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah (note: g r e e k : " K y r i o s " ) can make him stand. 5 One man judges one day as above another; another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day observes it to Jehovah (note: " K y r i o s "). Also, the one who eats, eats to Jehovah (note: K y r i o s") , for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat does not eat to Jehovah (note: " K y r i o s") , and yet gives thanks to God. 7 Not one of us, in fact, lives with regard to himself only, and no one dies with regard to himself only. 8 For if we live, we live to Jehovah (note: greek: " K y r i o s "), and if we die, we die to Jehovah ( " K y r i o s"). So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah. ( "K y r i o s") 9 F o r t o t h i s e n d C h r i s t died and came to life again, so that he might be L o r d (note: " K y r i o s") over both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother?For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 F o r i t i s w r i t t e n : “‘As surely as I live,’ says Jehovah (note: greek: "K y r i o s ") , ‘to me every knee will bend, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’” 12 So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God. 13 Therefore, let us not judge one another any longers but, rather, be determined not to put a stumbling block or an obstacle before a brother. 14 I know and am convinced in the L o r d ("K y r i o s") J e s u s that nothing is unclean in itself; only where a man considers something to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 For if your brother is being offended because of food, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not by your food ruin* that one for whom C h r i s t died. 16 Therefore, do not let the good you do be spoken of as bad. 17 For the Kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means* righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit. 18 For whoever s l a v e s f o r C h r i s t in this way is acceptable to God and has approval with men.
Most christian theologists are unaware about Christ's SWORD, the symbolical or figurative statements he used to Phareesis,and Sadduces, but to his Apostles only, He revealed to them all sacred secrets including Jesus deity, Mat, 13:10-11 /Mark,4;34,, Mat, 10:34-35, And Jesus instruct them to preach in the Light, what he told them in the dark, and shout what he whispered to them, Mat, 10:26-28, so, for these very reason, they did not hesitate to preach that Jehovah raised Jesus from the grave !, Deut, 32:39 /1st, Sam, 2:6-7, / 2nd, Kings, 5:7,, And the most amazing, how they got these O T scriptures,, they never owned a shelves of books, but paddles and fishnet,
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
@@LightoverDarkMinistry yeah sure.... but maybe the word logic wasn't the right word for me to say. But maybe in their own logic. I don't know; maybe you can help me out with it towards the end. The argument is like this. Jw's like using proverbs 8 against the trinitarians proofing Christ to be first created. And as you know; their Christ is Micheal the archangel. Knowing Micheal is a male's name proverbs 8 shows Micheal is a female. So these are the questions I've asked base on that: Is Micheal transgender or intersex? Lol. Was Micheal first male or female? If Micheal was once a female; was he called Michelle? Due to this.... last jw's I talked to base on that; told me that in proverbs 8 Micheal is use metaphorically as a woman. Which didn't make since at all. He tried using the same logic from Jesus being known as the lamb. So he also responded with a question, "Is Jesus an animal?" My answer to that was.... Knowing there's logical biblical answers on why Jesus is called the lamb doesn't justify Micheal as a woman in proverbs 8, metaphorically. I gave him many verses to why Jesus is called the lamb. Yet.... he didn't provided any verse to why Micheal is to be known as a woman, metaphorically. We had talked before on 1 thessalonians 4:16/ revelations 1:8/ John 20:28..... I gaved him a few verses on Luke which got him scared or surprised. He didn't expected me to be very educated. Then I hit him with those questions which he didn't expected. We talked more on the subjects he wanted to talk. And still hit him with deeper things he didn't expect. Slam dunking his face to a whole world of biblical Truth. Anyways.... threw out the whole time. He tried using what was logically there with no support.
Wow well done. I do love the approach of Michael being a women. What I tend to forget, the don't really believe in a pre-incarnate Christ. Just this bizarre, Michael, to Jesus, then back to Michael.@@rafaelguerra811
@@LightoverDarkMinistry well.... I did talked to him about that too. when we see how they view Jesus as being reincarnated. Before talking to him on that. I let him know whats logically there to proof. As you know. I did through him off on proverbs 8. But this is what we talked about before that. I shared with him that Jesus wasn't the son of God. *But that he became the son of God.* Me.... as a trinitarian; went straight to the reason why he is not reincarnated as Michael the Archangel. So used this to throw him off. *Luke 1 verse 32 and 35.* As you read it. Jesus wasn't the son of God. But he was *called to be* the son of God. The verse doesn't state Jesus *was or is* the Son of God. Same thing with verse 35. Something to think about when reading this... if your a principal now. Are you *called* principal from birth? No. You go to school. Pass whatever you need to pass. Then become the principal. So they can *call you* principal. Jesus as the Word in the other hand; already exist. You get the picture? If he already existed then verses I gave would state Jesus was already the son of God. One thing to go about is that if you look at Hebrews 1. It is question that no angel was *pronounce on a certain day* to be called the son, begotten, and the father to be his father. At this point we notices existing angels. So..... being that said. Jesus is not the son of God but became the Son of God. Micheal is discluded. And from being first born in heaven as well. With that you'll throw jw's off. Since there Jesus is known to be already God's first born son. They like using Jesus as firstborn threw colossians 1:15. Yet..... firstborn in the Greek as prototokos means preeminent. Jesus is not a created being. To throw them off is known that David, Ephraim, and Isreal where also called firstborn. Hope this helps. Trust me. If you get a jws to actually pay attention to you. Be very prepared. Because he's not expecting to be thrown off. Show them your wiser then what they expected. Don't lose them. Because you'll leave them stun. Well.... to finish this reply; you might be thinking "what did he say on what you told him?" He brought up that what I said didn't justify Jesus being God's son. So he brought up John 3:16 as Jesus being sent as the son. However, that wasn't a good comeback. Because as we read that. God gave his begotten (unique) Son. Not that he sent his begotten son. Jesus was pronounce the son when being born in the flesh. In heaven Jesus always existed. I let him know he was off on that. And I let him know why. You can't be easy with them. You got to give it to them the way it is.
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, ' is the utterance Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness off Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
all faiths have love, restrictions, rituals, values, CHARITY and MONEY COLLECTION BY VARIOUS METHODS, and all have (or claim they have) God with them.. .so ur is not better than the next christian (from a different denomination) that claims he/she is in the right path....
(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
It is incorrect grammar to say "Why JW's are not the truth" However JW's do have the truth of what the Bible really teaches . You seem to be a bit obssesed with JW's and do not seem to be able to leave them alone which in itself speaks volumes about how secure YOU are in your own belief !
Jehovah of armies---he is the One whom you (people) should treat as holy, and he should be the object of your fear, and he should be the One causing you (sinners) to tremble. (Isaiah 8:13) NWT *WARNING*..... "The great day of Jehovah is near. (Zeph.1:14) NWT And I will cause distress to mankind, and they will certainly walk like blind men, because it is against Jehovah (God) that they have sinned. And their blood will actually be poured out like dust, and their bowels like the dung. Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them in the day of Jehovah's fury,......... (Zeph. 1:17&18) NWT .......seek Jehovah all you meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah's anger. (Zeph. 2:2&3) For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. (Romans 10:13) NWT
@@LightoverDarkMinistry you CANNOT DENY HISTORY AND FACT that the current form of trinity was formulated AFTER ABOUT 400 YEARS -BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry you can pretend all you want but WE NEED BOTH GOD AND THE LAMB for salvation - REv 7:9-10, and to reject the Jehovah, Our Father as salvation (Joel 2:32) is the work of an antiCHrist. are you DENYING THE FATHER, JEHOVAH AS SALVATION? YES OR NO. or are you skipping again and keep on twisting and lying?
@@brycetorno Actually luck had nothing to do with it! I found out who they are by taking time not just reading the Bible but meditating on what I read.I know who God's people are.Think of a people who obey God's laws and who do what Jesus told them to do and you will find the answer.
@@allangrant6349 Please be respectful and 100% truthful. Do truly and sincerely believe that JWs have and are the Truth. Yes or No? Please only a Yes or No> Nothing more.
@@allangrant6349 to your comment: "Actually luck had nothing to do with it! I found out who they are by taking time not just reading the Bible but meditating on what I read.I know who God's people are.Think of a people who obey God's laws and who do what Jesus told them to do and you will find the answer." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is very gratifying that you have studied the commandments of God and that you strive to honor and respect these commandments. Do you also consider the following commandment of God to be absolutely noteworthy? Deuteronomy 18,22-24 (NWT Study Edition) “22 ‘If any p r o p h e t p r e s u m p t u o u s l y s p e a k s a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 However, y o u m a y s a y i n y o u r h e a r t : “ H o w w i l l w e k n o w that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or d o e s n o t c o m e t r u e , then Jehovah did not speak that word. T h e p r o p h e t s p o k e i t p r e s u m p t u o u s l y . Y o u s h o u l d n o t f e a r h i m .’
@@davidagnew8792 To the great Bible scholar David Agnew From a biblical perspective, an opponent is one who willfully denies or transgresses the commandments of God. Deuteronomy 18,22-24 (NWT Study Edition) “22 ‘If any p r o p h e t p r e s u m p t u o u s l y s p e a k s a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 However, y o u m a y s a y i n y o u r h e a r t : “ H o w w i l l w e k n o w that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or d o e s n o t c o m e t r u e , then Jehovah did not speak that word. T h e p r o p h e t s p o k e i t p r e s u m p t u o u s l y . Y o u s h o u l d n o t f e a r h i m .’ The fact that you judge this issue with an attitude of ridicule proves that it seems irrelevant to you whether the teachings and predictions of your organization will actually come true. A Christian is characterized by the fact that he also takes responsibility for the statements and predictions that he publicly disseminates in the name of God. I had placed this Bible text under this thread because the commentator emphasized that he has diligently studied the commandments of God. However, those who truly know and love God's commandments will never publicly disseminate predictions that have been proven several times to be a simple fallacy. In this respect, I am very grateful to you for making yourself personally noticeable as a commentator on this youtube-channel. It gives me the opportunity to ask you if you can personally assure me that Armageddon will now really take place within the "overlapping generation, based on 1914? You now have the opportunity to prove that you want to be recognized not only as an entertainer, but also as a serious student of the Bible.
WHY is JW Headquarter in Warwick STILL NOT RAIDED by Police special task forces????e WHY is JW Headquarter in Warwick STILL NOT RAIDED by Police special task forces???
@@ericbulman1752 Acts 2. At Pentecost 33 C.E., holy spirit was poured out on 120 disciples of Jesus, and in many languages they began speaking about the magnificent things of God. This was the founding of the Christian congregation.
@@tun2w And is it your contention that the only christian congregation are the JWs? He didn't use an organization in the sense that the WT defines it, with branches, circuits, conventions, and a megalomaniacal "governing body". Jesus is the head of the Church, which is made up of individual believers.
Do you have proof for the JWs being the truth? 190 AD Clement Of Alexandria "I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father." (Stromata, Book V, ch. 14) "The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God." Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13
@@misterauctor7353 the peroid of the Church Fathers is highly doubtful...because thats the Time peroid Christ and the apostles referred to as the apostasy which apostle Paul warned about the appearing of the "Man of Lawlessness"
Jesus prayed in the Lord’s Prayer (the Our Father prayer) that God’s name would be sanctified. You need to use the name and honor the name, it in order to sanctify the name.
Did Jesus use an *English* name for YHWH not invented until the 16th century A.D. based on impossible grammatical rules having nothing to do with Hebrew concocted by a 13th century Dominican monk? I'd sure like to see that evidence. Incidentally, Joseph, this is all documented in your own WT literature. Look it up.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 First of all, do you think Yehoshua’s followers called him “Jesus”. His name is Yehoshua. Second of all, Nehemia Gordon, Hebrew scholar and one of the translators who translated the Dead Sea Scrolls, has done extensive work on the correct pronunciation of God’s name, and claims YeHoVaH is correct and Yahweh is wrong. JeHoVaH is a perfectly acceptable English transliteration. Your Dominican Monk theory has been proven to be wrong. By many scholars. Oh, by the way, did you notice the “Yeho” in Jesus’ name? Many Hebrew names begin with “Yeho”. Yehonathon Yehoash Yehoonadov Yehoadah Yehoshua Yehozadak And many others…. It’s called theophoric names. The correct pronunciation of God’s name has been there all along. Yeho…vah.
@@joseph_miller Quite right. Unless adamantiumbullet9215 has a problem with using the name Jesus, (Something tells me he doesn't - oh yeah! He's been using it in this forum) then he's a hypocrite. The straws these people will grasp at to attack God's people.
@@joseph_miller *"Your Dominican Monk theory has been proven to be wrong. By many scholars."* Really? Who are these "many scholars"? Go ahead and list them here. First, it's not _my_ theory. If you knew anything you'd already know this. Secondly, this is yet another topic where you completely disagree with your WT leaders, which makes you an apostate. The problem is, Joseph, you think you're such an informed JW, but it's obvious you know NOTHING about what your religion teaches or what your WT literature actually says, and your arrogance and ego prevent you from learning anything. _"We do not say that “Jehovah” is the correct pronunciation of God’s name... the _*_Spanish Dominican friar Raymundus Martini_*_ wrote his Pugio, about _*_1278,_*_ and used the name Jehovah"._ w50 12/1 p. 473 _"Interestingly, Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican order, first rendered the divine name as “Jehova.” This form appeared in his book Pugeo Fidei, published in 1270 C.E.-over 700 years ago."_ W 2/1/1980, p.12, "The Divine Name In Later Times" If scholars have 'proven' this 13th century monk "theory" wrong, as you claim, then why is your Watchtower quoting it as an authority? And, if your WT is wrong (it must be, according to you) about something as crucial as the origins of the name "Jehovah", then why are you a JW that believes _anything_ your WT teaches and defends them? Oops! I guess you didn't think that one through, did you? Joseph claims: *"The correct pronunciation of God’s name has been there all along."* Joseph's WT leaders say: _"the exact pronunciation of the name is _*_not known_*_ today"._ The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures p.11, published by WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC "there is *no way of knowing* what pronunciation is correct." w83 12/1, p. 5 _"Some prefer “Yahweh,” others “Yehwah,”.... it is a matter of _*_conjecture_*_ as to which vowels made up the complete divine name.”_ w80 2/1 p.11
@@adamantiumbullet9215 The theory put forth by you and other apostates is that this monk “invented” the name JeHoVaH in 13th century. As you stated above. That has been proven to be false…that this monk “invented” the name JeHoVaH. He didn’t. Nemiah Gordon has documented the use of YeHoVaH before the 13th century. This monk definitely used JeHoVaH in his writings, but that doesn’t mean he “invented” the name, as is the claim. He was perhaps the first to transliterate YeHoVaH to JeHoVaH, we don’t know for sure, but that’s not “inventing” the name. As far as the WT quotes you posted, nothing is definitive or “for sure” when discussing science or ancient archaeology. The evidence points to YHVH being pronounced YeHoVaH. Perhaps, YeHoVeH or YeHoWaH. No one can say for sure 100%. From theophoric names, we know the correct pronunciation begins with “Yeho”. That’s not debatable. So you using terms like “for sure” or “definitely” is misleading. This is the point Watchtower was making. Watchtower never said Yahweh is the correct pronunciation. That’s ridiculous. I encourage anyone to read the entire 2/1/1980 article. Actually, there are a few good article in that Watchtower about the Divine Name. Scholarship changes as new discoveries are made and has over time. Scholars today know Yahweh is wrong
Yes they are the Truth for Watchtower is the only group that ever publicized and highlighted the Bible more than any other religions that has ever existed. And they are the only ones to have launched a wide-scale public preaching work before the End comes.
That doesn’t make them the truth. Notice you didn’t say, “because they teach the truth of scripture” but because they print lots of magazines. Show me a verse in the Bible that says that’s how you identify those preaching the truth, by how much they print.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry not by how much they print and number of circulation of publications...but what THEY preach...and that is the one in Matt.24:14. No other religion or Evangelical group is fulfilling those words of Christ but only one while other religions preach about going to Heaven as the solution to mankind's problems or to look to Human govts for salvation.
For anyone who knows their Bible, John 13:35 is a clear reference to Torah observance. The reason for this is found at Matthew 22:34-40. However, Jehovah's Witnesses claim that the Torah is "abolished." It seems they want to abolish it because it exposes them for what they are: religious frauds.
@larysnw418 if Yeshua had ended the Torah, he would have been a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 12:32-13:5. Is that what you are accusing the Messiah of being, a false prophet? If so, you have blasphemed Yeshua. If not, there has to be another explanation for Romans 10:4, and indeed there is. Romans 10:4 says that Yeshua was the τέλος of the Torah. Since τέλος does not necessarily mean "end," but rather can mean "goal," "aim," or "fulfillment," there is no reason to believe that Yeshua ended the Torah, thus making him a false prophet. On the contrary, he is the Son of God. Romans 7:1-6 speaks of the old covenant using the metaphor of the law of a husband in the covenant of marriage. It does not speak about the Torah, otherwise Paul would have been a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 12:32-13:5 if he had actually spoken against Torah observance. The context of Ephesians 2:15 indicates that the law being spoken of is one that brought enmity between Jew and Gentile. In other words, it is a racist law being spoken of. Surely you aren't saying that the Torah of יהוה is racist, are you? God is not racist. However, the oral law of the Pharisees was racist, and Paul and Yeshua spoke against the oral law of the Pharisees, which is today called the Talmud. We are to keep the Torah as it is the commandments of God, but we are to reject the Talmud, as it is the commandments of men. Colossians 2:13-14 specifically indicates that it was our transgressions that were removed by Yeshua. This means that he fulfilled the prophecy that he would save his people from their sins. It was never prophesied that he would save his people from the Torah or Law of God, thus resulting in universal lawlessness and anarchy. Matthew 5:19-20 indicates that there will be three types of people on Judgment Day. - The ignorant will not have kept the least of the commandments in the Torah, and will have taught others to do the same. These will be least in the Kingdom. - The righteous will have kept and taught to keep even the least of the commandments. These will be great in the Kingdom. - The defiant will be like the Pharisees were according to Mark 7:8-13, who nullified the Torah. These will not even enter the Kingdom. The question becomes, which of the latter two will you be now that you are no longer ignorant of this fact? Only you can decide for yourself. Choose this day whom you will serve, but as for me and my house, we will serve יהוה the true God.
Polycarp mentions ""Lord God Almighty, [439] Father of thy beloved and blessed Servant Jesus Christ," so the Lord GOD Almighty acc to him is the FATHER and Jesus is his BLESSED SERVANT.
@@misterauctor7353 where was his quote that say the opposite? He said from his quote "Lord God Almighty, [439] Father of thy beloved and blessed Servant Jesus Christ" so the Lord God acc to him is the Father and Jesus is his SERVANT
@@Mr.DC3.1914Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says, Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead.1
If JWs are not Jesus only disciples in these last days, then logically another united worldwide group professing to be disciples of Jesus should be? This group should be involved in the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14. This group should also be the fulfilment of the last days' prophecy given at Micah 4:1-5. Coming up with a theory that JWs are not God's people and avoiding showing who is, is what is called a neither here nor there situation. God's last days' Witnesses should also fit this prophecy. (John 13:35) By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love among yourselves.”
Christians….we’ve been at it for 2000 years. You know, Matthew 24 also warns about people coming in the last days saying that Jesus already returned, that he’s invisible… Why should anyone join a recently created religion that does the exact things Jesus warned about? Jim, real question here bub, how do you know you aren’t deceived?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Someone is claiming that Christians have been at it (??) for 2,000 years? At what may we ask? The churches which claimed to be Christian during this time were battling each other and killing each other. Let me reiterate. That was no Christianity as an organized body from after the apostles until the 20th Century. The time marked as the LAST DAYS in which God promised to RESTORE TRUE WORSHIP. Please read Micah 4:1-5. We thus, must look around for a newly organized group who fit ALL the hallmarks of the prophecy. These wanting to be True Worshipers will be invited from all nations. Verse 2 These who become True Worshipers will never join armies to kill other humans nor learn war anymore. Verse 3. These will not be afraid. That is how they can preach despite persecution. Verse 4. Compare Matthew 24:9. These being gathered is for the purpose of surviving the coming Great War. These will all be part of an Unified International Organization. Verse 5. Matthew 24:14 is a last days' prophecy. If JWs do not fit ALL the above, then logically another newly organized group should. Any name stands out?
"God's last days' Witnesses should also fit this prophecy" Nope. "(John 13:35) By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love among yourselves.”" That's vague.
@@misterauctor7353 : How can LOVE AMONGST YOURSELVES when referring to Jesus' True Disciples be vague? Are the "Christians' who are killing each other in the Russia Ukraine war showing love for each other?
YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRUTH as you replaced the REAL JESUS with a pagan one - The trinity got its start in Ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis. Semiramis demanded worship for both her husband and her son as well as herself. She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son. Yes, he was “god the father” and “god the son” - The first divine incomprehensible trinity.” - (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, p. 51)
Here is a direct quote from Alexander Hislop who was a Trinitarian "It must also be admitted, and gladly admitted, that this implies the indwelling of all the Persons of the glorious Godhead" AND "on examination it will be found that the Popish and the Scriptural ideas conveyed by these expressions, however apparently similar, are essentially different." Mr Hislop would say you are the "Twister" of his words as HE BELIEVED IN THE TRINITY" Again D C1, you have been a naughty boy for misquoting Mr Alexander Hislop of The Two Babylons
Mr Alexander Hislop believed in the Divinity of Christ and claimed Arius to be a Heretic "to condemn the heresy of Arius, who denied the true divinity of Christ, that heresy indeed was condemned,..." You see D C1, if you actually bothered to read the book, The Two Babylons, Mr Hislop would call YOU a HERETIC. Oh the irony D C1.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 the Greek word for worship has many meanings , one of them is for BOW DOWN, AND ANOTHER OBEISANCE. Even KJV uses the same word in rev 3:9 as WORSHIP eventhough it does not mean worship as GOD. KJV - REv 3 - I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
The trinity got its start in Ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis. Semiramis demanded worship for both her husband and her son as well as herself. She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son. Yes, he was “god the father” and “god the son” - The first divine incomprehensible trinity.” - (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, p. 51)
Wow. That's not like the triune God of the Bible at all. According to you (which differs from the legend), Nimrod and Tammuz are the same person somehow, even though, according to the legend, Nimrod and Semiramis began as people (who were eventually deified) and had relations which produced a son. Is that anything close to the teaching of the trinity? No. The one God of the Bible subsists simultaneously in three subsistences: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. BTW. Your post, as usual, is completely off topic from the content of the video. Apparently JW's can't refute the criticisms that are levelled against their religion. (Ps. this is my only post-I won't be engaging with DX (or whatever his current handle is) but I will be happy to respond to someone else.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth understand that was the START and it evolved from that. wonder why it TOOK ABOUT 400 YEARs for the trinity doctrine to be formed in its CURRENT form? Do you see the term GOD THE SON used there but NOT IN THE BIBLE? YOU CANNOT DENY HISTORY AND FACTS. FROM BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth I already answered the question about the truth in a separate thread. not repeating those here, but again that guy twisted a lot of things
You would be more believable if you would be fair and give JWs at one little strand of credit of doing some good in the name of the Lord. You evidently want to dismantle their entire religion cause you have a personal hatred for them. You are spewing out a bunch information that incorrect and very bias. I will give the public one quick example of the disservice you are feeding the public with your lack of knowledge of the scriptures. You will know my disciples by the love they have for one another. You mentioned that's what they say about themselves. But you failed to tell the truth and give them due honor in that regard because you said other Christian denominations are doing that. But are they really? The Catholic church as one example has a very bloody history like the Catholic inquisition. And how they help to give Hitler rise to power by meddling in politics. Also how they bless the troops to go out and fight and kill their brothers in opposing nations in the name of war and nationalism. And mind you, the Catholic Church has by far the largest Christian organization in the world. On the other hand JWs has consistently refused to take part any any killing of their fellow ma period. What didn't you mentioned in fairness to them any of those facts??? You are not doing God's will in refusing to state the truth. You are exposed.
Thanks for the comment. I noticed you didn’t actually address any of the issues, or points I made in the video, but instead started ranting about the Catholic Church, which I didn’t bring up at all. The Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with this conversation, or the troubles they’ve gotten themselves into. That’s for another video. You were better off talking about the FLDS. Also I Love witnesses, and I want them to know the Truth, being the true Jesus and the true Gospel. Do you want to debunk the points I raised or offer alternatives, or give other forms of evidence on why the JW religion is true, or did you just come to rant about the sins of Rome?
*"I will give the public one quick example of the disservice you are feeding the public"* Then proceeds to bash the Catholic Church. A classic JW strategy. *"You evidently want to dismantle their entire religion cause you have a personal hatred for them."* By your own criteria, this must mean you HATE Catholics, because you criticized their church while giving them no credit for the good they do. Why didn't you mention the various legitimate Catholic charities the Church operates while JWs operate *no charities whatsoever?* Why aren't you 'being fair' by giving Catholics "one little strand of credit of doing some good in the name of the Lord" ? The very thing you're upset about, RH, is precisely what you're doing in return. On what basis do you criticize others when you are doing _the very same thing?_
Aren't you doing exactly the same thing you're accusing LightoverDarkMinistry of doing? No one here is lifting up the Roman Catholic Church, nor was it the topic of discussion until you brought it up. You're railing against the Catholics without giving them *_"one little strand of credit of doing some good in the name of the Lord."_* It's absolutely true that the RCC has had its issues in the past, notably with things like sexual abuse. Of course, that's nothing that the WT would ever... uh... oh... wait. Nevermind. One thing I know for certain -- if there exists a perfect church, neither of us is in it because our very presence would prevent it from being perfect. It's a good thing, then, that it's not about the organization -- it's about a Perfect Savior.
@@evanwindom3265 Isn't it interesting that JWs are always the first and the loudest to cry foul when any criticism, no matter how light, comes their way, yet they are more than enthusiastic to instantly pounce on other religions for their alleged shortcomings? Historically, WT and JWs have had a rather unhealthy obsession with bashing Catholics. I was guilty of it when I was I JW, so I know. I still have grievances with the Church itself (it's hopelessly corrupt, like most churches), but I have come to appreciate Catholics as people and they are often duped and victimized by their Church just as JWs are by theirs. Few JWs realize that they are more like the CC than they are different from it. It is my opinion that WT has such a harsh view and criticism of the CC for no other reason than jealousy. While condemning the Church's hierarchical structure, WT has, more than once when in court, claimed also to be a hierarchical religion "just like the Catholic Church". WT condemns the CCs doctrine of Apostolic Succession, but then claims there was a Governing Body in the first century and there's always been a "faithful slave" since the first century. WT used to condemn the CCs practice of excommunication, then WT eventually adopted the same practice and made it exponentially worse than the CC ever dreamed of. Anyway, RHs rant was nothing more than the typical JW tactic of claiming moral superiority by being the least stinky shirt in the pile of laundry. If they can divert attention away from themselves and on to other religions they think are more flawed than JWs, then the JW claims victory. It's a very disingenuous tactic meant to divert attention from, and shut down, an honest debate about the WT itself.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry While JWs like RH automatically bristle when any criticism comes their way, you may be interested in these quotes directly from Watchtower literature regarding WTs counsel to JWs that criticism of other religions is not only moral but an *obligation* of Christians: "Contrary to what some may think, *it is not unkind and unloving to lay bare falsehood* and corruption." w66 3/1 p 131 "The refusal to expose false spiritual food is the thing that is unchristian." w57 4/15, p.243 "When persons are in great danger... is it an unkindness to warn them? They may prefer not to believe the warning... But does that free one from the moral responsibility to give that warning? w74 1/15 "The Catholic Church occupies a very significant position in the world and claims to be the way of salvation for hundreds of millions of people. *Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism."* Awake 8/22/84, p.28 [WT makes claims similar to the Catholic Church, i.e. WT is "God's Organization", a person can only gain salvation through the WT organization, that the Governing Body are "the voice of God" and are "God's sole channel of communication on earth". So, it's interesting, and highly hypocritical, for WT to say that the CC deserves criticism because of their grandiose claims, but WT should receive no criticism from anyone for any reason, despite WT making the same claims as the CC. It's a classic double standard. JWs can dish it out but they can't take it.] “Church members . . . are responsible for what the church says and does.” Awake 9/8/1987, p.10
EVEN TERTULLIAN ADMITTED that the FATHER IS MORE POWERFUL AND OLDER than the SON and that the SON needed an AUTHOR to bring him into BEING - FROM TERTULLIAN - But if this same Wisdom is the Word of God, in the capacity of Wisdom, and (as being He) without whom nothing was made, just as also (nothing) was set in order without Wisdom, how can it be that anything, except the Father, should be OLDER, and on this account indeed NOBLER, than the Son of God, the only-begotten and first-begotten Word? Not to say that what is unbegotten is STRONGER than that which is BORN (this is Jesus) , and what is not made more powerful than that which is MADE ( JESUS) . Because that which did not require a Maker to give it existence, will be much more ELEVATED in rank than that which had an AUTHOR TO BRING IT INTO BEING (JESUS)
complete bunkum, Read the whole quote " Maker to give it existence..." obviously here Tertullian is calling Jesus an IT by your misquoting. Learn to read.
@@RowanTasmanian FROM IT into BEING - if you can understand that, as this IT refers to the Wisdom of GOD and the BEGOTTEN WORD, that became FLESH . SO AGAIN, now you are REJECTING HISTORY AND EVEN TERTULLIAN,.your own problem that you cannot deny , you can fool yourself everyday since that is your choice. hey, IT is a baby! and for english that is acceptable
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Listen D C1, you have never read this document in full, it's 18 pages in length by Tertullian. You just have not read it. Tertullian believed Jesus was God, not created. Read the material by tertullian and not quote what the WT tell you to quote.
@@RowanTasmanian hey dummy ANtiChrist. Tertullian himself said, THAT THE FATHER IS OLDER, AND MORE POWERFUL than the SON , that the UNBEGOTTEN is STRONGER that that which IS BORN (this refers to Jesus) and what is NOT MADE more powerful than that which is MADE (Jesus). stop being blinded, REPENT, ANTICHRIST!
@@RowanTasmanian YOU KNOW what TERTULLIAN ALSO MENTIONED ? There was, however, a time when neither sin existed with Him, nor the Son; NOTICE - nor the SON, and it is talking of NEITHER EXISTED JUST LIKE THE SIN
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13.
Vusi- no doubt you'll be posting this same copy-and-paste, say nothing line for the next several months under every video critical of JWs. Can you please ask your Watchtower handlers to fix the syntax? And, all you need is one question mark. Posting 10 of them doesn't magically change a vapid phrase into a meaningful phrase.
@rajakrishnapachamootoo Please be respectful and 100% truthful. Do truly and sincerely believe that JWs have and are the Truth. Yes or No? Please only a Yes or No> Nothing more.
ok TWISTER, you like to TWIST and mix things up. The BIble called Jesus as the TRUTH, also GOD'S WORD is THE TRUTH. 3 John 1:3 also mentions "as you go on walking in the truth."
God’s word is the Truth, because Jesus is the truth, and walking with Jesus is being with and in The Truth, because he is. You think an organization is The Truth, I believe it’s The Son of God.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry the literal words of GOD is different from JESUS, THE TRUTH, one is the words coming out of GOD's mouth and Jesus is a person, they are DIFFERENT. so stop twisting. and that's TWO TRUTHS already acc to the Bible, ONE IS A PERSON, JESUS AND ONE is the Word of GOD that is coming out of GOD's mouth. Even Jesus ADMITTED that the TEACHINGS THAT HE said were not HIS OWN , but from the FATHER
@@LightoverDarkMinistry IN THE TRUTH means you are part of the BODY of Christ, as you need to be part of GOD's congregations in order to walk in the TRUTH and to be SAVED. Colossians 1:18 and he is the head of the body, the CONGREGATION. why you think YOU ARE INSIDE JESUS? nope. eph 5:23 - Christ is head of the congregation, he being a savior of this body.
I believe your video and I am going to assume all your other videos related to Jehovah Witnesses, are fundamentally flawed. It is quite apparent to me that you have not taken the time to even read or study the Bible otherwise you would have a better understanding of where there teachings are derived and you would backup your arguments with actual scriptures instead of unfounded conclusions. I was quite entertained seeing how you cherry picked certain information that supported your argument while ignoring the facts. I'll give you three examples that anyone reading this can look up. You say that the name "Jehovah" has been used by other religions and you showed a musician presumably singing that name and a poster with the name on it. However, you conveniently left out the fact that most bibles in circulation have substituted the name "Jehovah" with "Lord" which is not a name, but a title. I have reviewed some King James versions that have also done this but sometimes you still find it in Psalm 83:18. Bbilica.com states the following regarding this... "Out of respect for the Jewish tradition of not uttering the sacred Name of God, the Committee on Bible Translation (CBT) for the NIV have chosen to display every instance of the Name YHWH in the Hebrew Bible as 'Lord.'” Presuming we all believe the Bible is God's word, why would he feel a need to include his name in over 7,000 locations if he did not want us to verbalize it? How many other religions can you name that actively use his name and not the substituted noun "Lord"? Now let's take Halloween, a celebration in which many people partake each year. If you Google "the roots of Halloween" the first result that comes up is from the Library of Congress. If you read the history, you will find it derived from a pagan festival called Samhain where people would "light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off ghosts". In an effort to bring the pagans into Christianity, Pope Gregory III incorporated some of its traditions into All Saints Day. "The evening before All Saints Day was known as 'All Hallows Eve' and later 'Halloween'". Kindly point to any scripture in the Bible where ancient Jews or Jesus himself accepted pagan ideologies and implemented some of their traditions? In fact, it was Jesus himself that said 'my kingdom is not part of this world" which is why he never participated in any rituals or traditions that were not rooted in Jewish beliefs. So it begs the question, how many religions today follow his example and abstain from such practices? Lastly, you say that the Jehovah Witnesses borrowed their tactic for their preaching work from early 20th Century direct sales. I make a counter argument that those early 20th century direct sales tactics were borrowed from Luke 10: 1-10 which is where Jesus sent his disciples in two's "into every city and place"... "to say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you." KJV. I could continue picking apart your arguments but I am afraid I don't have the time to do so and doubt your viewers would also have the time to read it. I highly recommend that if you are going to continue making these types of videos, that you at least make an attempt to study the Bible so you actually know what's in it instead of basing your conclusions on unfounded facts and opinions.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Are you saying that the Bible only consists of the New Testament? Can you prove to me that YHWH is not in the Old Testament before we move on to the Greek scriptures? Why you ask? Because nobody on this platform can disagree that the Old Testament was written centuries before Christ was even born. Therefore, if the divine name as you put it was written several thousand times in the old testament, it begs the question, why wasn't it in the Greek scriptures? Either way, YHWH, exists in the Bible and many people ignore that fact either out of ignorance or by choice.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 MAT 1:8 - JEHOSHAPHAT, and his name means WHAT acc to Strong's and tell what is the NAME OF GOD that you found there. and you think JESUS SINNED BY REMOVING GOD's name when he QUOTED THE OT
No, I'm not saying that the Bible consists only of the NT. I'm saying that the OT contains the tetragrammaton because it was written in Hebrew. The tetragrammaton has not been removed from the Hebrew Scriptures: שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד Above is Deu 6:4; do you see the tetragrammaton? It's there twice. The NT was written in Greek and doesn't contain the tetragrammaton. Instead the writers used the circumlocution κυριος for the divine name. God's name is YHWH, no question. The NT writers didn't feel obligated to use it in the NT. English translations follow the tradition of the LXX and use the circumlocution LORD for the divine name in the OT. They don't try and hide it, they highlight the fact that they're doing it by using all caps (LORD). But if you have an issue with English translations using a circumlocution for the divine name in the OT, then you should be consistent and have a problem with the NWT inserting the divine name in the NT (and doing so inconsistently) when it wasn't there to begin with.
@@RicoSuave077 Kevin of Canada has told you elementary facts. I would like to add the following remarks. All elementary names from the Hebrew Scriptures such as Abraham, Noah, David, Daniel, Melchizedek, Jacob, Levi are found in the Scriptures of the New Testament in transcribed form. If one pretends that God is the author of the Bible, one must be convinced that God has personally watched over the fact that all essential statements and elements of his Scriptures have been preserved unadulterated to this day. This maxim should apply all the more to the supposedly most important element, the name "Jehovah." Otherwise, other statements in the writings of the New Testament would also have to be questioned or doubted. In this regard, I ask you to share with me the Bible verses in which the name "Jehovah" or the Tetragrammaton appears in the copies of the New Testament available today. You are welcome to use your preferred interlinear translation for this purpose. If this name does not appear in the Scriptures of the New Testament, the question inevitably arises as to why the authors of the New Testament did not attach any importance to the use of this name, but instead chose the word „Kyrios“.
Since the JW's are so hung up on the use of the "name" it is worth pointing out that they have applied the SINGULAR "name" in James 2:7 to BOTH God and Jesus. Insight on the Scriptures: Similar to the Greek word for good (a·ga·thosʹ) is another word, ka·losʹ. The latter denotes that which is intrinsically good, beautiful, well adapted to its circumstances or ends (as fine ground, or soil; Mt 13:8, 23), and that which is of fine quality, including that which is ethically good, right, or honorable (as God's name; Jas 2:7). (Goodness, page 986) The Watchtower: James identifies the truly rich and urges that love be shown to all impartially. (James 2:5-9) ‘God has chosen the poor to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom.’ This is so because the poor are often more responsive to the good news. (1 Corinthians 1:26-29) As a class, the materially rich oppress others with regard to debts, wages, and legal actions. They speak evil of Christ and persecute us because we bear his name. (Faith Moves Us to Action!, November 15, 1997, page 14)
@@kardiognostesministries8150 WHICH WT article are you talking about, and also the word NAME means AUTHORITY in Greek and since the AUTHORITY is FROM THE FATHER and given to Jesus, so that is still SINGULAR AUTHORITY and it DOES NOT MEAN Jesus is himself GOD
@@kardiognostesministries8150 AND read this slowly - the word NAME means AUTHORITY in Greek and since the AUTHORITY is FROM THE FATHER and given to Jesus, so that is still SINGULAR AUTHORITY and it DOES NOT MEAN Jesus is himself GOD
The janitor and his wife at my job are JW. They shun both their children . As a parent and grandparent, I cannot fathom allowing anything to come between me and my family.
G'day D H, you should become a carpenter, You are very good at hitting every nail on the head. As you pointed out clearly, the JWs are the masters at circular reasoning.
And the two witnesses are ?
Rev 11:6 reveals they would cause havoc in people's lives..
Can you point to any evidence that that's so ?
Yes..me too..
That's something we need to look for tk find out who it is God is using.
The up to date instructions are most helpful.
@@compositioncompilation Two men in white jackets will be attending to you shortly. Your reply to me makes no sense.
@@RowanTasmanian who was it that said Jesus was mad..were they believers at the time..and were they correct in saying that..?
The two witnesses , the title Gods representatives are given in the bible book of revelation 11.
Also..coincidentally.. a controversial issue of which activists and apostates are well aware .
The two witnesses..
Gods representatives .
@@compositioncompilation Please go away or I will block you. final chance.
@@bankhead1He is showing out of context passages.
The Christians job is to direct attention toward the Lord, not toward an organisation. He is the One who did the Work. Amen.
If not the Jehovah's witnesses in the truth according to you then which people are in the truth according to the Bible?‽??????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 the christhians, the followers of Christ. It is not WHERE you have to go, it is to WHOM. To Christ.
@@joJo56976 That is your own opinions not from the Bible 🤣, so which Christians are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus christ said? Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 JW are not preaching the gospel of Gal 1:8. They are preaching a false gospel with to class of christhians and two different hopes. If you preach one thousand hours a false gospel you are NOT doing God’s work.
@@joJo56976 So which people are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus christ said????Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses.
Great job
Jesus said I am the way the truth the light.
Calling yourself the truth was a big red flag
Iv been waking up from this nightmare for the last few years, I really can’t believe iv been in a cult all my life, I’m in my 40s now and so scared where I go from here!! My wife still believes, I love her so much, but don’t know how to tell her where I’m with this now!!
Listen to your wife.
It’s not a cult.
I went through the same thing in 2000 at the age of 30. I was able to get out along with my family and keep my marriage intact. It was the hardest thing I've ever done, but so worth it in the end.
If I could offer some unsolicited advice:
1) DON'T PANIC!!! You may get panic attacks, recognize them for what they are and work through them. It may help to get some professional counselling if that's feasible. Don't make rash decisions without thinking them through. You have time.
2) Keep loving your wife. My wife had no doubt that I loved her, and our commitment to one another helped keep us together.
3) Don't lose your faith in God. I went through an atheist/agnostic period of about a year. I wasn't sure if there was a God, but was thinking that there probably wasn't. I rebuilt my belief system brick-by-brick. Some wonderful books by Lee Strobel lay out some very faith-building lines of reasoning.
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Feel free to reach out to me if you want to bounce some thoughts off someone who has gone through something similar, or have any questions that you want to work through. My personal email is vincentmontoyaatgmaildotcom.
@@joseph_milleryou’re partially right. It’s a multibillion dollar scam at its core that operates/controls with textbook cult techniques.
@@joseph_miller I would be happy to discuss with you the many reasons why the JWs along with the Mormons, Scientology etc are cults.
With 40 years of getting people out of cults, the JWs have all the classic traits of a cult.
BTW, can you advise with any logical reasoning why as you stated "it's not a cult".
What makes you state something silly like that, when you will give all your allegiance
to a GROUP of Men
telling what what YOU must do
and who live hundreds to thousands of miles away
from you and whom you most likely have never met.
If you disobey any of their orders
Will you still be allowed in that GROUP ????????????
Or must YOU follow every order to remain in that GROUP ?????
They own you.
Please try and prove me wrong Joseph Miller.
You made a claim, now back it up with facts. Thank You
@@RowanTasmanian
I give my allegiance to the Christ and to him alone.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are a worldwide religion.
Not a cult.
The term “cult” is a judgement word used as an ad hominem attack and to influence and/or bias others.
The term means nothing really.
I’m sure you would have labeled Jesus and his 12 apostles a cult too.
"Banana?" 😂 Comedic brilliance.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏I loved this!! Thank you!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The one truth they speak is, "our god" and that's pretty much it. Too bad they're not out saving souls from eternal damnation.
God bless you!
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Are you serious? Hi Iam Allan from UK.
@@allangrant6349 Hi Alan! 🙋♀️
@@terridovey7648 Hi Terri,Which country are you from? Do you fancy having a long conversation over religion? Iam an ex Catholic and have been studying the Bible for over a year now.What about you?
@@allangrant6349 I'm in the U.S
And we're trying to wake up as many jw's as possible.
Some teachings do not originate from the bible but from ancient Babylon..
Interesting project to Google that subject.
Rev 18:4 says GET OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE..A warning of which Gods people take notice .
I’m working on a project that will disprove their “truth” for my witness family.
That would be impossible. The trinity isn’t Biblical.
Really? Oh you must be so smart! So which religion is the true religion if Jws are false?
@@allangrant6349
JW aren’t false.
@@joseph_millerwhy don’t you just accept the fact that you’ve been duped by lying conmen and move on with life? You’re embarrassing yourself. You haven’t done a single bit of research about anything, have you? You didn’t even watch this video.
@@allangrant6349 I’m using the Dead Sea scrolls and other historical translations to demonstrate what they have changed in their bible to match their doctrine…that doesn’t match with the original books.
Your videos always land with perfect timing. I appreciate your efforts thankyou xx
I've always thought and said even when I was in that if the governing body could get rid of Jesus they would and put themselves in his place
This was awesome! Thank you, as always. I'd like to be able to commit this one to memory. I have a few JW friends that are actually still speaking with me and I would like to be able to logically go through jw history and the Bible with them to show them they are dead in their sins still and need Jesus, not the Organization if they want reconciliation with God. The Holy Spirit is working on them! I've been able to talk to a couple of them very bluntly and they still are sticking around.
you CANNOT DENY HISTORY AND FACT that the current form of trinity was formulated AFTER ABOUT 400 YEARS -BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@larysnw418Nope. The trinity came from the church fathers.
@larysnw418"The great African fashioned the Latin language of the Trinity, and many of his words and phrases remained permanently in use: the words Trinitas and persona, the formulas 'one substance in three persons,' 'God from God, light from Light.' He uses the word substantia 400 times, as he uses consubstantialis and consubstantivus, but hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for he does not apply the words to Trinitarian theology"
(that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost: three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in substance, but in form; not in power, but in aspect; yet of one substance, and of one condition, and of one power, inasmuch as He is one God, from whom these degrees and forms and aspects are reckoned, under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Against Praxeas, by Tertullian)
200 AD Tertullian "So too, that which has come forth out of God is at once God and the Son of God; and the two are one.... In his birth he is God and man united." (Apology, ch 21).
Thanks for the video, the message is very clear to understand by me and mainly JW
Thanks! Very well done!'Spiritual food' at the right time!❤😅
Thank you so much….You truly have a gift for teaching 😊
Oh dear.You are another one who believes this nonsense 😊 It's actually quite sad how so many people know so little about the bible.99% come in to these apostate sites and just believe everything their told to be factual when it's utter nonsense.Rather than spend time on here,why not study the bible instead.
@allangrant6349 I study the Bible on my own and don't need a watchtower/ religious organization to tell me what I should believe
You have got to be having a laugh! It just shows that 99% of people are clueless regarding the bible and can be very easily misled.Your a prime example.
@@katmears4727 So U study all alone? Do U attend any church or congregation?
@@allangrant6349 can I ask…why are you asking?
For the j-dubs to be in "the truth" means the organization.
For Christians, to be in the Truth means to be in a PERSON, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Nope. That’s how it is presented to slant people’s opinion on them. (Matthew 11:18, 19) The “truth” is a way of life as delineated by the Scriptures. That is how they view it.
@adolfonorcisa6772
Nope, the truth for the j-dubs is whatever the leadership i.e. the governing body tells them e.g. wicked men of Sodom won't be resurrected, then they said they will, then they said they won't, then... you get the point... I hope.
@@adolfonorcisa6772
The WT leadership does not want j-dubs thinking for themselves.
True or False?
They are real estate publishing company disguised as a religion 😮😢
For decades, they have referred to what they've taught as "The Truth". But then they change some of the doctrines, and call the new stuff "The Truth". So, clearly, either the old stuff wasn't the truth, or the new stuff isn't the truth, or NEITHER is. They call their new doctrines "new light" and explain that God didn't fully reveal the truth initially. Apparently, then, it's *_God's_* fault that what they used to call "The Truth" no longer is (or never was). This also directly contradicts their own statement in the study version of the July 2020 WatchTower, page 10, para 7, which starts "The truths of God’s Word remain constant." Isn't the fact that they have to change "truths" prove that what they have is not "the truths of God's Word" by their own standard since the "truths" haven't remained constant?
Of course, they will trot out the old taunt about "Well, at least we fix our mistakes." *_That's not the point._* If the GB were indeed hearing from God, they wouldn't make those mistakes in the first place. Can the GB point to single place in scripture where a prophet of God had to come back later and say, "Yeah, so... My bad. That was wrong. But here's the *_real_* truth"? The very fact that they refer to changing their previous versions of "The Truth" as "fixing our mistakes" is tacit admission that it wasn't the truth at all. I pray that they do find the truth -- the true Gospel of the true Christ. “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” - John 8:32.
@larysnw418 Are you just trolling, or do you honestly think they've never changed any doctrines? The blood doctrine has changed three times. The identity of the faithful slave has changed twice. Even 1914 has changed. They have a whole page on their website that spells out the beliefs they've "clarified" over time.
@larysnw418 No, I'm not disfellowshipped. I'm blessed to have never been enslaved by the WT.
@larysnw418bull crap! They have changed the generation teaching 5 times!! Rutherford claimed the resurrection was going to take place in 1925! Not to mention their 1975 debacle! 1950-1980 they claimed receiving an organ transplant was cannibalism! How many died in those 30 years from that doctrine! They are a blood guilty cult!!!!
@larysnw418What are your views on organ tranplants?
@@evanwindom3265Larry is a JW troll.
Great explanation! Have you thought about doing a video about Charles Taze Russell? I believe he began sowing the seeds of his ministry at 18 which makes you wonder today if anyone would take the gospel from a high school senior who didn’t like the religion they were brought up in? The witnesses are so proud to say he started the religion but get defensive and embarrassed about him when it comes to showing them how drastically different his interpretations and “old light” it is.
It's on the list, might be the next content I do, the history of the religion.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry yay! It’s always a topic they love to sweep under the rug and try to evade when you try to discuss. They are happy to mention him when it serves their agenda amongst themselves. What’s interesting was my parents have a photo of Charles T Russell proudly displayed in their house but there is not one image of Jesus (because it’s considered idolatry)
If not the Jehovah's witnesses in the truth according to you then which people are in the truth according to the Bible??????
@@LightoverDarkMinistryIf not the Jehovah's witnesses in the truth according to you then which people are in the truth according to the Bible?‽??‽‽?
@@vusimngomezulu2500
Followers of Christ.
Hi Vusi, I answered your "simple question," hope all is well with you. Call on the name of Jesus for salvation, be set free from Watchtower.
Excellent bible based teaching.
JWs have their own truth which is the opposite from what the Bible teach.
you CANNOT DENY HISTORY AND FACT that the current form of trinity was formulated AFTER ABOUT 400 YEARS -BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
We print so we are the truth 😂
Don't forget the real estate.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 volunteer labour.. they are now building buildings that look nothing like places of worship in order to be able to resell them easily. they say they are "flexible" buildings and invent reasons to justify their construction.. it's so disgusting.
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Trust me. I know the scheme. Just like McDonald's is not in the hamburger business, they're in the real estate business, WT is not in the religion business. WT has always been a real estate company followed closely by being a publishing company.
*"flexible" buildings* = buckle up, JWs. After you pay the building off and we gain some appreciable equity, we're going to sell it out from under you and make you pay for another one. All profits go to WT. Wash, rinse, repeat.
@@joJo56976 Sorry, what should a place of worship look like? Can't recall any instructions on that in the NT. As a matter of fact, the early Church met in homes didn't they? I suppose you think ones giving talks should wear priestly garments. You know, so they LOOK LIKE religious leaders.
@@mattgardiner614 they build condos, business buildings, etc. nothing for worship. One example among many others, in 2019 the WT bought a building for around 2 million dollars, in Florida. supposedly to translate the Bible into sign language (they already had all the facilities for this project). They are renovating the building and in February 2020 they are having a special meeting to inaugurate the building. In this meeting, not even a year after the purchase of the building and just a few months after the end of the renovations, they announce that they have finished the translation of the entire Bible (a project that took 15 years in total)! In the same meeting, they inaugurate the building purchased for the project ... and they announce that they have finished the project!! What did they do then.. put the building up for sale for 4 million (a nice profit of 2 million without paying taxes because of a religious privilege). they make fun of people. real clowns.
Wow…….that was really good. Thank you
You’re welcome!
What I found the elephant in the room? Jeffrey Jackson and the ARC...when questioned on the Holy Spirit monopoly he answered " not necessarily". " It would be presumptuous".
He didn’t say that.
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Yes, he did. There's no shortage of videos on RUclips showing Jackson's testimony. Are you lying for WT, joseph? Or, just uninformed? This is a direct quote from that testimony:
ARC Attorney Mr. Stewart: "And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on earth?"
Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson: "That I think *would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson God is using.* The scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with God's spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregation."
@@adamantiumbullet9215 that is not wrong as Jackson shows that angels and Jesus are also SPOKESPERSON GOD IS USING
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So 9 guys in New York are on the same level as Jesus and the angels?
You also missed a glaringly obvious point: Jackson mentioned neither Jesus nor the angels, did he?
And, Jackson is not only wrong, but he LIED! What he said in court is the exact opposite of what WT says in print.
Here is what WT *really* teaches, which totally contradicts what they say when they're lying to the Australian Royal Commission:
"Is it *presumptuous* of Jehovah’s Witnesses to point out that *they alone* have God’s backing? . . . The facts speak for themselves." w01 6/1 p.16, par. 17
"Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the *only* channel for dispensing spiritual food." w16 November p.19, par.9
Since the 9 guys in New York are the "only" channel for dispensing spiritual food, that means the angels are just S.O.L., doesn't it?
You're doing the predictable and tiresome thing JWs always do, mrdc- you just can't accept the evidence in front of you, _even when it's in print from your own organization._ You have to heavily editorialize and rationalize and mold it to your own opinions in order to justify believing it.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 you are TWISTING AND MIXING, the question is GOD'S ONLY SPOKESPERSON. and then YOU twist it by quoting a WT that says GOD'S BACKING and also CHANNEL. BACKING and Spokesperson and CHANNEL are ALL different words AND TOPIC. Jesus ENTRUSTED TO HIS SLAVES GOD's household - Mat 24 & 25, and other religions all teach and think that those are just FAKE/IMAGINARY MASTER AND SLAVES.
Good video. Really well done.
Why truth in Jessus ? To go to Jehovah as jessus did MAT 6V9, 10.
JOHN 17V3,6,26.MY FATHER THE ONLY TRUE GOD
Who did Jesus claim the truth was in John 14:6?
@@Goonapachamoothoo One Person of the Trinity can affirm the other is God.
Who is your "only" Master (Jude 4)?
Jesus said my Father is the only true God John 17:3
You got this right John 14:6,7 not Jehovah org.
Excellent video!
Why are JWs on here? Did they not listen to their 9 popes about going to places like this?
The Jewish God's name is definitely NOT Jehova, the "e..o..a" vocals is a misunderstanding. The Jewish God's name is "YHWH" which means "I am that I am" which in Hebrew is pronounced "YaHWeH", which is Gods name and what he asked to be called. NOT Jehovah!
Search RUclips NEHEMIA GORDON HEBREW BIBLE SCHOLAR Why Jehovah or Yehovah the true name of God. So you will know Jehovah witnesses is the only true religion.
I believe Russell went around his city going door to door to recruit people for his bible study. Rutherford liked the idea and just like you said was also inspired by the door to door salesmen of the time. I wonder if one of those traveling salesmen on the train in the Music Man was a JW. Even if he did know the territory.
The JW family I lived next door to growing up used Acts 20:20 and Acts 5:42 as their reason for going house to house. I also get this on social media debates with JWs.
In the book of Acts, the apostles and disciples preached the Kingdom message from house to house.
Jehovah’s Witnesses follow that example.
Acts 20:20 and 5:42
You’re a Jehovah’s Witness?
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I am.
@@joseph_miller Well I don’t want to misrepresent anyone’s faith. I see you have some thoughts on where I was wrong. What do you believe is the greatest evidence that JW’s are the true religion?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
Everyone thinks their religion is the true religion, otherwise why would they still be a part of whatever religion they belong to.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the only group of people who think they have true religion.
Jehovah’s Witnesses is 1st century Biblical Christianity restored.
It was prophesied after Jesus’s apostles died off a great apostasy or falling away would occur.
It was also prophesied in the final part of the days, true worship would be restored.
As far as your question.
Greatest evidence?
In the model prayer or Lord’s Prayer, Jesus prayed that God’s name would be sanctified and God’s Kingdom would come to earth.
Who is actually sanctifying God’s name today and who is even talking about God’s Kingdom, as Jesus taught it, a real government to rule over the earth.
Who is fulfilling Mt 24:14 today?
@@joseph_miller That's an interesting take, thanks for that. I honestly love talking to Witnesses and those of many faiths. I have no doubt you'd love to share, being a committed JW, so will you email me, ( email is in the "about" section.) I would love to talk privately 1 on 1, I would love to really understand what you believe.
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Within the religions that call themselves Christian, the JW hold the main biblical truths, however that, by itself, does not make them the true religion, as they also embrace a lot of falsehood.
The reality is that there is no true human religion! No organized religion is!
All of them are part of "Babylon the Great" !!!
Jesus is the ONLY "WAY" to GOD, HIS FATHER, the ALMIGHTY. IHVH !
John 14 : 6
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All religions think they are the best religion. They are all just story books. Just be k8nd to everyone.
Very Good Sir Christ is The Way
8 billion people, many different beliefs... anyone saying their belief is the only truth is simply ignorant & arrogant.
Acknowledging a higher power & striving to be the best version of yourself might just be the greatest truth of all !!!
Be humble Be honest Be real & strive for Love.
You asserted: "anyone saying their belief is the only truth is simply ignorant & arrogant."
Those who disagree with you can use your exact quote to refute what you just asserted to be true. Thus, your assertion is meaningless.
Jehovah and the Letter J
His true Name Yahweh was cloaked through the centuries by the erroneous “Jehovah.” **The name Jehovah is an ** IMPOSSIBILITY!! *** because there was **never a letter “J” or sound of a J in the Hebrew or Greek languages from which our Bible translations are derived. Not even the early 1611 King James English Bible used the letter J, but employed the letter “I” instead. In Psalm 68:4 it reads, “...extol him that rideth upon the heavens, by his Name IAH...” **The letter J came into widespread use **only 600 years ago, becoming the newest letter to join the English alphabet.*** Before its debut, the J had a Y sound and grew out of the vowel “i,” which is why the lower case “j” is dotted like the “i” and was given a hooked tail to distinguish it from the “i.” The Encyclopedia Americana says, “The form of J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century.” The Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th Edition, agrees that the J is only a modification of the Latin I and dates back with a separate value ***only to the 15th century. Funk and Wagnall’s Encyclopedia (1979 edition), volume 14, page 94 under “J,” states: “J, the tenth letter and seventh consonant in the English alphabet. It is the latest addition to the English script and has been inserted in the alphabet after I, from which it was developed…” **The Jewish Encyclopedia calls the word Jehovah **“a philological impossibility.” The Barnhart Concise Dictionary of Etymology says ***that Jehovah is an erroneous transliteration of the Hebrew name YHWH, “often represented as Yahweh” (1995). In the preface to the Revised Standard Version of the Bible is the following statement: ***“The form Jehovah is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name [YHWH] and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. The sound of Y is represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin. **The word ‘Jehovah’ does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew,” pp. 6-7. The Moffatt Bible says in the preface about the Jehovah: “Strictly speaking, this ought to be rendered ‘Yahweh,’ which is familiar to modern readers in the erroneous form of ‘Jehovah.’ Were this a version intended for students of the original, there would be no hesitation whatever in printing ‘Yahweh.’” ***The name Jehovah is a synthetic blend. **It even has a shocking aspect. 6 The suffix hovah is No. 1943 in Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of ***“ruin: mischief.” It is another form of No. 1942, havvah, which is translated ***“calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness.”** Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius says of No. 1943, hovah: “ruin, disaster.”** No wonder the Rotherham Bible refers to the name Jehovah as a MONSTROUS HYBRID!** Even the Jehovah’s Witnesses acknowledge that the name Jehovah falls short.
Their book, “Let Your Name Be Sanctified” freely admits on pages 16 and 18 that **Yahweh is the SUPERIOR translation of the Tetragrammaton*
Now go and read the 3rd commandment
"There was never a letter “J” or sound of a J in the Hebrew or Greek languages"
Jesus name is also wrong then
@@tun2w CORRECT; --
Until the year 1524, there was no letter 'J' in the alphabet. The letter 'J' was originally the same letter as 'I. ' The 'father of the ' letter j is Gian Giorgio Trissino, an Italian author and grammarian who lived from 1478 to 1550.
NO Letter j in any alphabet whatsoever some 600 years ago!! So, ask yourself a serious question how could there be a Messiah with the name “Jesus” some 2000 years ago?? If you don't believe me seek the truth with your whole heart for yourself it shall be revealed when you hunger for the truth! that much!! It means more to you than hundreds of thousands of dollars then you will know who I AM is
May the Almighty creator of all things seen and unseen YAHweh Almighty bless you with all the wisdom you need to stand righteously before him on his GREAT DAY at the soon Return of our Jewish Messiah Yeshua
"Jesus" is a counterfeit name from June 1632 Vatican City Rome, by the synagogue of Satan the Roman Catholic Church.
"Jesus" is Latin form of Ge-sus with a Romanized "J". Jesus is still spelled Gesus in Italy which loosely translated is Earth Pig!! Furthermore "Jesus" is the Twisted GREEK/ROMAN/LATIN Wrongful “Translation” of the CORRECT HEBREW name of our MESSIAH YESHUA
The Hebrew word for “He will save” is יושיע (“yoshia”) is derived from the root “to save” (ישע, yasha) and is the root word for the name of “Yeshua” (ישוע).
The name given to our Messiah Yeshua reveals to us what he has done, the Messiah saves, the Messiah is our Goel, He is our redeemer. The etymology of the name Yeshua (ישוע) shows that it is a contraction on the name Yehoshua (יהושוע).
The meaning of the name Yeshua (ישוע) is provided for us explicitly within the text in Matthew 1:21: “She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Yeshua, for he will save his people from their sins.”
Brit Chadashah indicates Adonai Elohim יהוה אלהים the LORD GOD 'sent His only begotten son' [John 3:16] Yeshua ישוע to 'lay down His life for us' [1 John 3:16] to redeem us from our debt of sin before Avinu Sha'ba'sha'mayim אבינו שבשמים our Father in heaven.
As a result of these things, we are told there is power in the name Yeshua and that power is sustained by the authority of the one who stands behind that name according to the Scriptures. -- yeshua.org/who/what-does-yeshua-mean/
Good information, but the letter "J" is basically irrelevant. Nothing about the name "Jehovah" has anything to do with YHWH or the Hebrew language. It is a grammatically impossible rendering of YHWH concocted by 13th century Catholic monk Raymundus Martini.
I find it hilarious that Jehovah's Witnesses are so attached to a fictitious Catholic name for god while simultaneously teaching that the Catholic Church is 'foremost' among Christendom's apostate religions under the leadership of Satan.
@@sherridungan6449 ,
God's name is YHWH Pronounced Yahweh in Hebrew and translated into English language is at Exodus 6:3 and Psalms 83:18
God's Son's name is Yeshua and translated into English language is Jesus
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Acts, 5:28-31, / Deut,32:39, /1st, Sam, 2:6,/ 2nd, Kings, 5:7, these scriptures will prove that when Jesus says, "Destroy this temple and i will raise it within 3 days,, a SWORD to Pharisees , Sadduces, and Christian theologists,
Pray first and just tell her . She may not like it but stick to your truth. It may be hard bit rely on God to guide you. And pray for your wife. You onow its not true and tjere is no real happiness in that very fake cult. Leave it and hopefully your wife will follow
First of all, i like the efforts you put in the video. I myself am critical of JW, i dont swallow what i hear them say.
Im not a jehovahs Witness, but i know many people who are and i have disagreements with things there.
I agree with some of your points, including the use of gods name, but disagree with some points also. I hope i dont misrepresent what you are saying.
I dont think a lot of there prophecies are correct as you pointed out.
Agree with the point that love is primary and where you go is secondary and there are many people who show deep love without being religious and there many who go to even kingdomhall and arent loving, great point. Good people are rare, despite the religion. Most people go church because of selfish reasons and few ever really become loving. Many people start off going to gives hope, but many never really grow to where it is real.
I think that when you are convincing people of god telling them to repent is often not going to help. There is a wrong and a right way of doing things. You have to show people why what they are doing benefits them. Thats why its never, u are a sinner and u are going to die and its, do you want a better life because thats gods aim also.
Jehovahs' witness teach self accountability which is missing from most churches, thats the truth i believe they preach. If you do something wrong you need to be punished because you will corrupt yourself. Initmacy(unless marriage) and drugs are addicting and its best to never have started because its difficult to stop .Most people do what they want because there is no consequnces socially and generations down the line fatherless occurs and the murder rate increases. That has always happened. How can a church teach truth if the members do whatever they want. Not only does it hurt them but if people on the outside see bad people they will not be motivated to join. They would rather stay home and read the bible and thats what is happening now. Also to your point about do it or we will hurt you. There is a saying religion gives people a bad reason to do something good. Which is true, but let me give u a good example of why is important.
Imagine, having being an 18 girl, who is very attractive. You decide to get married. Now you realise that different men want you and you dont feel happy and you believe you always should be. You may, not be a good person yet. You have 2 children and a husband and youbare being flirted with at work. Many women ruin there family because of better oppurtunity, the children and the men are affected severely. The consequences force the women to chose to work on herself and become a better person. After becoming wiser she is thankful she didnt follow how she felt. People arent born good, they develop good and thats the purpose of religion. To protect you from harming yourself and others im hopes you develop into a better person. Thats why the divorce rates are over 50% and things in the us are going to get worse i can tell u that
I've just realised this this website and others like it as just full of people who like "talk the talk" but don't "walk the walk." It's just that simple that I have nothing more to say.
That your statement is untenable can be proven by the following example alone.
Under your original thread on this video, I had confronted you with the following Bible text from the New World Translation and with the following questions.
If you are confident in your point of view, you must be able to answer the 3 questions at the end of my comment.
Otherwise, you will be one of those commentators who withdraw offended when they have to realize that they have become victims of false teachers.
My comment to you under your second thread on this video:
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With this in mind, I had confronted you with the following 3 questions in my last comment.
Can I expect an answer to this question from you in the foreseeable future?
In this discourse, Jesus mentioned another parable recorded in the Gospel of Matthew. In this parable, 3 different slaves are described, with whom their master settles accounts after his return. (Matthew 25:14-18)
Matthew 25,14-21 ( N W T Study Edition)
“14 For it is just l i k e a m a n about to travel abroad who summoned his slaves and entrusted his belongings to them.
15 He gave f i v e t a l e n t s t o o n e , t w o t o a n o t h e r , and one to still another, to each according to his own ability,j and he went abroad.
16 Immediately t h e o n e who received the five talents went and did business with them and gained five more.
17 Likewise, t h e o n e who received the two gained two more.
18 B u t t h e s l a v e who received just one went off and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money.
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19 “ A f t e r a l o n g t i m e , t h e m a s t e r of t h o s e s l a v e s c a m e and settled accounts with them.
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20 So t h e o n e who had received the five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me; see, I gained five talents more.’
21 H i s m a s t e r said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You w e r e f a i t h f u l over a
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few things. I w i l l a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’*
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22 N e x t t h e o n e who had received the two talents came forward and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me; see, I gained two talents more.’
23 His master said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You were faithful over a few things. I will
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a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’
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24 “ F i n a l l y t h e s l a v e who had received the one talent came forward and said: ‘Master, I knew you to be a demanding* man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not winnow.
25 So I grew afraid and went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’
26 In reply his master said to him: ‘ W i c k e d a n d s l u g g i s h * s l a v e , you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow?
27 Well, then, you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and o n m y c o m i n g I would have received it back with interest.
28 “‘Therefore, t a k e t h e t a l e n t a w a y f r o m h i m and give it to the one who has the ten talents.
29 F o r t o e v e r y o n e who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
30 And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’
Jesus used a similar parable, but with the obvious intention of conveying the same message to his disciples.
In this context, I would be grateful if you would answer the following 3 questions.
1.) Are you also convinced that Jesus, with his parables according to Luke 12:12-48 and Matthew 25:14-18, wanted to convey the same message to his apostles and us?
2.) Since Jesus declared in his parable according to Luke 12:43-44 that the Master would not put his slave over his possessions until after his coming, is it possible that Jesus performed this official act of appointment as early as 1914? (see Watchtower article, January 15, 2001, page 31)
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Watchtower January 15 2001, page 31
A Special Announcement
AT THE conclusion of the annual meeting of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania on October 7, 2000, a special announcement was made by the chairman, John E. Barr of the Governing Body. This announcement built further on discourses given earlier that day by Theodore Jaracz and Daniel Sydlik.-See pages 12-16 and 28-31 of this magazine.
Making a very significant point, Brother Barr stated: “‘The faithful and discreet slave’ and its Governing Body have had entrusted to them interests that are higher and far more encompassing than those granted to legal corporations. Set out in the chartered purposes of each of such entities are matters that are limited in their scope. Our Master, Jesus Christ, however, has appointed the faithful slave class over all his ‘belongings,’ or Kingdom interests here on earth.”-Matthew 24:45-47.
Concerning the Pennsylvania corporation, Brother Barr added: “Ever since its incorporation in 1884, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania has played an important role in our modern-day history. Still, it is merely a legal instrument available for use by ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ when it is necessary.”
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3.) If Jesus' parable is to be taken literally, according to which he will place a particular slave above "all his possessions" at his coming, then this statement would imply that all other of his slaves, especially the apostles of the first century, would be forever excluded from these blessings, or all these possessions. Is such an interpretation justifiable? Doesn't your organization hold the doctrine that all 144,000 "anointed Christians" will receive the same blessings equally?
A small addendum for the zealous Bible student:
The same article mentions that the Watchtower Society, as a registered corporation, has held regular annual meetings since its inception. At one of these annual meetings in 1944, the number of shareholders entitled to vote was limited to a maximum of 500.
Since the Watchtower Society, unlike all other religions, practices the true virtues of honesty and transparency, a representative of this "truly divine" organization will certainly not withhold the names of these shareholders from you.
On this occasion, this representative will certainly be willing to give you an insight into the consolidated financial statements of the Watchtower Society, which also show the amount of annual profit or possible dividend distributions to shareholders.
Watchtower 2001 January 15, page 28,
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How the Governing Body Differs From a Legal Corporation
ANNUAL meetings of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania have been held since January of 1885. When the ingathering of anointed Christians was underway in the late 19th century, the directors and officers of this corporation had the heavenly hope. In fact, this has almost always been the case.
There was one exception. In 1940, Hayden C. Covington-then the Society’s legal counsel and one of the “other sheep,” with the earthly hope-was elected a director of the Society. (John 10:16) He served as the Society’s vice president from 1942 to 1945. At that time, Brother Covington stepped aside as a director to comply with what then seemed to be Jehovah’s will-that all directors and officers of the Pennsylvania corporation be anointed Christians. Lyman A. Swingle replaced Hayden C. Covington on the board of directors, and Frederick W. Franz was elected vice president.
Why did Jehovah’s servants believe that all the directors and officers of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania should be anointed Christians? Because at the time, the board of directors and officers of the Pennsylvania corporation were closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, which has always been made up entirely of spirit-anointed men.
A Historic Annual Meeting
At the annual meeting held on October 2, 1944, in Pittsburgh, the members of the Pennsylvania corporation adopted six resolutions amending its charter. The charter had provided that voting shares be issued to contributors of funds to the Society’s work, but the third amendment eliminated that provision. A report on that annual meeting noted: “Membership in the Society will be l i m i t e d t o n o t m o r e t h a n 5 0 0 . . . Each one chosen must be a full-time servant of the Society or a part-time servant of a company [congregation] of Jehovah’s witnesses and must show the spirit of the Lord.”
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Spending hundreds of hours creating this content to help those lost find the true Christ while exposing the deeds of darkness, all of what scripture calls me to do… Is waking the walk. It’s just that simple.
You had announced in the comments under your second thread that you wanted to deliver the evidence that the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society had been appointed God's channel of communication in 1919.
However, when asked how you can substantiate this claim with the Bible, you replied that you still had to do some research in the Bible.
So far, you have failed to provide us with any evidence, because in the course of this investigation you have obviously become aware that you can no longer maintain this assertion.
In this respect, I would like to accommodate you and, for your sake, simplify my question as follows.
Jesus mentioned various parables in his end-time speech, in addition to the famous or most frequently quoted parable according to Matthew 24:45-47, from which the Watchtower Society derives its legitimacy as a "faithful slave".
In this regard, Jesus also mentioned the parable of the master and his 3 slaves, to whom he entrusted various talents before his departure to settle accounts with them individually on his return.
Astonishingly, Jesus did not speak of a single "faithful slave" in this context, but of 2 different "faithful slaves".
It is noteworthy that the appointment of these slaves as "faithful" and acceptable by their master in this parable is accomplished only after his return.
In this context, as a zealous Bible Student, you should ask yourself the following question:
If, in your opinion, one of these "faithful slaves" is the governing body of the Watchtower Society, the question arises as to who is to be identified as the second of these "faithful slaves".
Matthew 25,14-21 ( N W T Study Edition)
“14 For it is just l i k e a m a n about to travel abroad who summoned his slaves and entrusted his belongings to them.
15 He gave f i v e t a l e n t s t o o n e , t w o t o a n o t h e r , and one to still another, to each according to his own ability,j and he went abroad.
16 Immediately t h e o n e who received the five talents went and did business with them and gained five more.
17 Likewise, t h e o n e who received the two gained two more.
18 B u t t h e s l a v e who received just one went off and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money.
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19 “ A f t e r a l o n g t i m e , t h e m a s t e r of t h o s e s l a v e s c a m e and settled accounts with them.
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20 So t h e o n e who had received the five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me; see, I gained five talents more.’
21 H i s m a s t e r said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You w e r e f a i t h f u l over a
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few things. I w i l l a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’*
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22 N e x t t h e o n e who had received the two talents came forward and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me; see, I gained two talents more.’
23 His master said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You were faithful over a few things. I will
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a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’
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24 “ F i n a l l y t h e s l a v e who had received the one talent came forward and said: ‘Master, I knew you to be a demanding* man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not winnow.
25 So I grew afraid and went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’
26 In reply his master said to him: ‘ W i c k e d a n d s l u g g i s h * s l a v e , you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow?
27 Well, then, you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and o n m y c o m i n g I would have received it back with interest.
28 “‘Therefore, t a k e t h e t a l e n t a w a y f r o m h i m and give it to the one who has the ten talents.
29 F o r t o e v e r y o n e who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
30 And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’
@@MR-gx3gc Why can't you just answer simple questions? For instance which religion are you? Do you attend church to worship God Almighty? Are you baptised? ( Now these aren't difficult so let's see if you can answer them.)
Love your humor 😃
Why does it say lord didn't expel demons out of you're name? He said get a way from you workers of lawessnes I never knew you.
Lol.......considering all religions are man-made mythology and fantastic stories, hearing different sects/cults arguing over who's fairy tale is the right one is hilarious at best,...yet sad at the same time....
George Carlin Funny: ruclips.net/video/8r-e2NDSTuE/видео.html
George Carlin Funny 10: ruclips.net/video/CE8ooMBIyC8/видео.html
JWS SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS PARAMOUNT AND JESUS SAID AT JOHN 8 : 24 IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE I AM HE YOUR SINS REMAIN .
The Great Pumpkin arrives every Halloween to renew our spirit.
Jeuss said the Good News was the Kingdom message.
Luke 4:43
Jesus said he was sent to preach the Kingdom message.
That message is that God’s Kingdom will come to earth Jesus will rule as King.
The righteous will live forever on it.
Psalm 37:29
to your comment: " Jeuss said the Good News was the Kingdom message.
Luke 4:43
Jesus said he was sent to preach the Kingdom message.
That message is that God’s Kingdom will come to earth Jesus will rule as King. "
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Unfortunately, you missed an essential aspect in your presentation.
Jehovah's Witnesses preach that the Kingdom has existed since 1914.
Since its inception your organization has spreads the doctrine of the "invisible presence or parousia of Christ". Under Russell, the year 1874 was considered the decisive date. It was not until many years after Russell's death that the date for the beginning of Christ's invisible presence was changed to 1914.
On this year, the kingdom is said to have been established.
In this regard, I would like to draw your attention to the following prediction of Jesus in his famous end-time speech.
Luke 17,26-30 ( N W T Study Edition)
"26 Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man:
27 they were e a t i n g , they were d r i n k i n g , men were m a r r y i n g , women were being given in marriage
u n t i l t h a t d a y w h e n N o a h entered into the ark, and the F l o o d c a m e and destroyed them all.
28 L i k e w i s e , just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were e a t i n g , they were d r i n k i n g , they were b u y i n g , they were s e l l i n g , they were p l a n t i n g , they were b u i l d i n g .
29 B u t o n t h e d a y t h a t L o t went out of Sodʹom, it r a i n e d f i r e and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 It will be t h e s a m e o n t h a t d a y w h e n t h e S o n o f m a n i s r e v e a l e d .
Jesus, in his speech, compared the beginning of his parousia, or the day of his return, to "the" day when Noah entered the ark and the flood devastated the earth, or to "the" day when Lot left Sodom and the city was destroyed by fire; both events were equally perceptible to all people and not just to Lot and Noah and their respective families.
In addition, Jesus emphasized that his return, or rather the beginning of his parousia, will manifest itself in a tremendous natural spectacle that will be equally perceptible to all people on earth.
Matthew 24,23-27 (N W T Study Edition)
“23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’y or, ‘There!’ do not believe it.
24 For f a l s e C h r i s t s and f a l s e p r o p h e t s will arise and will p e r f o r m g r e a t s i g n s and wonders so as to m i s l e a d , if possible, e v e n t h e c h o s e n o n e s .
25 Look! I have forewarned you.
26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the l i g h t n i n g comes out of the e a s t and shines over to the w e s t ,
s o t h e p r e s e n c e (note: " P a r o u s i a " ) o f t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e .
Luke 24,22-24 ( N W T Study Edition)
" 22 Then he said to the disciples: “Days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, but you will not see it.
23 A n d p e o p l e w i l l s a y t o y o u , ‘See there!’ or, ‘See here!’ Do not go out or chase after them.
24 For just as l i g h t n i n g f l a s h e s from one part of heaven to another part of heaven,
s o t h e S o n o f m a n w i l l b e i n h i s d a y .
At the same time, Jesus warned his true followers against supposed confreres who would appear publicly in his name with the message that his parousia had already taken its course in secret.
Jesus therefore foresaw that supposed confreres would propagate the invisible beginning of his parousia in his name in order to legitimize their assertion that Jesus had entrusted them with special powers in the wake of this epochal event.
The propagandists of such a message were described by Jesus himself as "false prophets" from whom his true followers should beware.
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1.) In the face of Jesus' personal warnings, do you still claim that you are preaching the gospel that Jesus entrusted to his apostles and all his true followers?
2.) When did your organization officially change the date for the beginning of the invisible presence of Christ from 1874 to 1914?
to your comment: "The earliest NT manuscripts scholars do have do not contain the Divine Name.
These manuscripts date to the 3rd-4th centuries.
What we do know is that manuscripts of the Hebrew Scriptures and Greek Septuagint dated from the 3rd century onward DO NOT contain the Divine Name, as does the manuscripts of the Hebrew Scriptures and LXX used in Jesus’s day.
Is that evidence the original NT manuscripts contained the Divine Name?
Possibly."
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Your explanations are incomprehensible to me.
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For the official facts compel you to openly admit that the Tetragrammaton or the name "Jehovah" is not detectable in any of the approximately 6,000 copies of the New Testament available today.
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I would like to emphasize that, contrary to your insinuation, I am not defending any particular version of the Bible, since I do not belong to any religious denomination, but I am very familiar with the teachings and history of your organization.
Your organization rightly claims that God is the author of the Bible.
In addition, your organization rightly declares that divine truth is found only in the Bible itself.
If God is the author of all the scriptures that we now call the Bible, God must have personally ensured that all essential statements and elements have been preserved for posterity to this day.
The thesis that God was not omnipotent and assertive enough to prevent malicious copyists of the New Testament scriptures from replacing the original name "Jehovah" with the word "Kyrios" implies that it cannot be ruled out that these copyists also manipulated or falsified other essential statements in the New Testament scriptures.
This maxim is all the more true when it is claimed that God places special emphasis on the usage of this specific name in connection with his true worship.
I hope that in light of these findings, you are aware of the implications of such a thesis.
Against this background, there can be only one explanation for the absence of the Tetragrammaton or the name "Jehovah" in the New Testament Scriptures. The authors of the New Testament deliberately chose the word "Kyrios" in their writings at the behest of God.
In this respect, I would be grateful if you would comment on the following question. In the next step I will return to the quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in the New Testament that you mentioned in which the Tetragrammaton appears, and shed light on an exemplary case.
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How do you assess the credibility of a Bible scholar who publicly declares that the authors of the Hebrew Scriptures did not originally use the Tetragrammaton, but the Hebrew word for "Lord" (Adonaj), which was only replaced by the Tetragrammaton in later centuries by malicious copyists? And it is precisely for this reason, that the word "Lord" would be found in the vast majority the printed version of the Old Testament today.
to your comment: Your knowledge is lacking.
Only the original manuscripts are inspired, not translations.
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Your reasoning is inconclusive.
Why.
Whether or not the original manuscripts still exist today is irrelevant if one is convinced that God, as the author of the Bible, has personally supervised the preservation of his writing to this day.
If you question or doubt the foundations of this maxim, encourage every Bible critic to classify other essential statements and contents in the Scriptures as implausible or as the product of inventive copyists in later centuries.
As mentioned, you need to be aware of the implications of such a thesis.
In this respect, I would be grateful if you would comment on the following question. In the next step I will return to the quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in the New Testament that you mentioned in which the Tetragrammaton appears, and shed light on an exemplary case.
Question:
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How do you assess the credibility of a Bible scholar who publicly declares that the authors of the Hebrew Scriptures did not originally use the Tetragrammaton, but the Hebrew word for "Lord" (Adonaj), which was only replaced by the Tetragrammaton in later centuries by malicious copyists? And it is precisely for this reason, that the word "Lord" would be found in the vast majority the printed version of the Old Testament today.
In this regard, it would be very useful, of you were willing to deal with the following task.
Once again I would like to verify the a c c u r a c y o f t h e t r a n s l a t i o n of your version of the Bible with a specific example.
Who is consistently identified with "Kyrios" in the following scripture?
What word did Paul write down several times in chapter 14? "Kyrios" or "Jehovah"
To which Kyrios does the quotation in Romans 14:11 refer in light of the other revelations in the New Testament?
And who did Paul have in mind when he recorded the word "Kyrios" several times in this chapter, if one is willing to consider the whole passage coherently?
Thank you in advance for your response.
Romans 1,1-6 ( N W T Study Edition)
"1 Paul, a s l a v e o f C h r i s t J e s u s and called to be an apostle, set apart for God’s good news,
2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures,
3 concerning his Son, who came to be from the offspring of Davidc according to the flesh,
4 but who with power was declared God’s Sone according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead-yes, J e s u s C h r i s t o u r L o r d (note: " K y r i o s").
5 Through him we received undeserved kindness and an apostleship with a view to obedience by faith among all the nationsh respecting his name,
6 among which nations you also have been called to belong to Jesus Christ-
7 to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones:i
May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the L o r d (" K y r i o s") J e s u s C h r i s t.
Romans Chapter 14 ( N W T Study Edition).
"1 Welcome the man having weaknesses in his faith, but do not pass judgment on differing opinions.
2 One man has faith to eat everything, but the man who is weak eats only vegetables.
3 Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed him.
4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls.d Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah (note: g r e e k : " K y r i o s " ) can make him stand.
5 One man judges one day as above another; another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 The one who observes the day observes it to Jehovah (note: " K y r i o s "). Also, the one who eats, eats to Jehovah (note: K y r i o s") , for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat does not eat to Jehovah (note: " K y r i o s") , and yet gives thanks to God.
7 Not one of us, in fact, lives with regard to himself only, and no one dies with regard to himself only.
8 For if we live, we live to Jehovah (note: greek: " K y r i o s "), and if we die, we die to Jehovah ( " K y r i o s"). So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah. ( "K y r i o s")
9 F o r t o t h i s e n d C h r i s t died and came to life again, so that he might be L o r d (note: " K y r i o s") over both the dead and the living.
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother?For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
11 F o r i t i s w r i t t e n : “‘As surely as I live,’ says Jehovah (note: greek: "K y r i o s ") , ‘to me every knee will bend, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’”
12 So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God.
13 Therefore, let us not judge one another any longers but, rather, be determined not to put a stumbling block or an obstacle before a brother.
14 I know and am convinced in the L o r d ("K y r i o s") J e s u s that nothing is unclean in itself; only where a man considers something to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 For if your brother is being offended because of food, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not by your food ruin* that one for whom C h r i s t died.
16 Therefore, do not let the good you do be spoken of as bad.
17 For the Kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means* righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit.
18 For whoever s l a v e s f o r C h r i s t in this way is acceptable to God and has approval with men.
In this regard, it would be very useful, of you were willing to deal with the following task.
Once again I would like to verify the a c c u r a c y o f t h e t r a n s l a t i o n of your version of the Bible with a specific example.
Who is consistently identified with "Kyrios" in the following scripture?
What word did Paul write down several times in chapter 14? "Kyrios" or "Jehovah"
To which Kyrios does the quotation in Romans 14:11 refer in light of the other revelations in the New Testament?
And who did Paul have in mind when he recorded the word "Kyrios" several times in this chapter, if one is willing to consider the whole passage coherently?
Thank you in advance for your response.
Romans 1,1-6 ( N W T Study Edition)
"1 Paul, a s l a v e o f C h r i s t J e s u s and called to be an apostle, set apart for God’s good news,
2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures,
3 concerning his Son, who came to be from the offspring of Davidc according to the flesh,
4 but who with power was declared God’s Sone according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead-yes, J e s u s C h r i s t o u r L o r d (note: " K y r i o s").
5 Through him we received undeserved kindness and an apostleship with a view to obedience by faith among all the nationsh respecting his name,
6 among which nations you also have been called to belong to Jesus Christ-
7 to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones:i
May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the L o r d (" K y r i o s") J e s u s C h r i s t.
Romans Chapter 14 ( N W T Study Edition).
"1 Welcome the man having weaknesses in his faith, but do not pass judgment on differing opinions.
2 One man has faith to eat everything, but the man who is weak eats only vegetables.
3 Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed him.
4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls.d Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah (note: g r e e k : " K y r i o s " ) can make him stand.
5 One man judges one day as above another; another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 The one who observes the day observes it to Jehovah (note: " K y r i o s "). Also, the one who eats, eats to Jehovah (note: K y r i o s") , for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat does not eat to Jehovah (note: " K y r i o s") , and yet gives thanks to God.
7 Not one of us, in fact, lives with regard to himself only, and no one dies with regard to himself only.
8 For if we live, we live to Jehovah (note: greek: " K y r i o s "), and if we die, we die to Jehovah ( " K y r i o s"). So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah. ( "K y r i o s")
9 F o r t o t h i s e n d C h r i s t died and came to life again, so that he might be L o r d (note: " K y r i o s") over both the dead and the living.
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother?For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
11 F o r i t i s w r i t t e n : “‘As surely as I live,’ says Jehovah (note: greek: "K y r i o s ") , ‘to me every knee will bend, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’”
12 So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God.
13 Therefore, let us not judge one another any longers but, rather, be determined not to put a stumbling block or an obstacle before a brother.
14 I know and am convinced in the L o r d ("K y r i o s") J e s u s that nothing is unclean in itself; only where a man considers something to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 For if your brother is being offended because of food, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not by your food ruin* that one for whom C h r i s t died.
16 Therefore, do not let the good you do be spoken of as bad.
17 For the Kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means* righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit.
18 For whoever s l a v e s f o r C h r i s t in this way is acceptable to God and has approval with men.
Why did he say new heaven new earth. Why say the meek will inherit the earth?
Most christian theologists are unaware about Christ's SWORD, the symbolical or figurative statements he used to Phareesis,and Sadduces, but to his Apostles only, He revealed to them all sacred secrets including Jesus deity, Mat, 13:10-11 /Mark,4;34,, Mat, 10:34-35, And Jesus instruct them to preach in the Light, what he told them in the dark, and shout what he whispered to them, Mat, 10:26-28, so, for these very reason, they did not hesitate to preach that Jehovah raised Jesus from the grave !, Deut, 32:39 /1st, Sam, 2:6-7, / 2nd, Kings, 5:7,, And the most amazing, how they got these O T scriptures,, they never owned a shelves of books, but paddles and fishnet,
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
1st, Cor, 15:24-28, 1st, Tim, 6:15,16, Jehovah, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
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I love this guy… banana? 😂😂😂😂
A conditional
Religion.
Oh dear, how very very sad!
"You stink Joe" 😂
Same reasons you aren't.
Great video!
11:25 Job comes to mind
New subscriber, here:)
Jw's have answered me a logical but non-biblical way. Trying to make things fit.
I’m curious what things they are saying that are logical. Can you share?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry yeah sure.... but maybe the word logic wasn't the right word for me to say. But maybe in their own logic. I don't know; maybe you can help me out with it towards the end.
The argument is like this.
Jw's like using proverbs 8 against the trinitarians proofing Christ to be first created. And as you know; their Christ is Micheal the archangel.
Knowing Micheal is a male's name proverbs 8 shows Micheal is a female.
So these are the questions I've asked base on that:
Is Micheal transgender or intersex? Lol.
Was Micheal first male or female?
If Micheal was once a female; was he called Michelle?
Due to this.... last jw's I talked to base on that; told me that in proverbs 8 Micheal is use metaphorically as a woman. Which didn't make since at all. He tried using the same logic from Jesus being known as the lamb. So he also responded with a question, "Is Jesus an animal?"
My answer to that was.... Knowing there's logical biblical answers on why Jesus is called the lamb doesn't justify Micheal as a woman in proverbs 8, metaphorically.
I gave him many verses to why Jesus is called the lamb. Yet.... he didn't provided any verse to why Micheal is to be known as a woman, metaphorically.
We had talked before on 1 thessalonians 4:16/ revelations 1:8/ John 20:28..... I gaved him a few verses on Luke which got him scared or surprised. He didn't expected me to be very educated. Then I hit him with those questions which he didn't expected. We talked more on the subjects he wanted to talk. And still hit him with deeper things he didn't expect. Slam dunking his face to a whole world of biblical Truth.
Anyways.... threw out the whole time. He tried using what was logically there with no support.
Wow well done. I do love the approach of Michael being a women. What I tend to forget, the don't really believe in a pre-incarnate Christ. Just this bizarre, Michael, to Jesus, then back to Michael.@@rafaelguerra811
@@LightoverDarkMinistry well.... I did talked to him about that too. when we see how they view Jesus as being reincarnated. Before talking to him on that. I let him know whats logically there to proof. As you know. I did through him off on proverbs 8. But this is what we talked about before that. I shared with him that Jesus wasn't the son of God. *But that he became the son of God.* Me.... as a trinitarian; went straight to the reason why he is not reincarnated as Michael the Archangel. So used this to throw him off. *Luke 1 verse 32 and 35.*
As you read it. Jesus wasn't the son of God. But he was *called to be* the son of God. The verse doesn't state Jesus *was or is* the Son of God. Same thing with verse 35.
Something to think about when reading this... if your a principal now. Are you *called* principal from birth? No. You go to school. Pass whatever you need to pass. Then become the principal. So they can *call you* principal.
Jesus as the Word in the other hand; already exist. You get the picture? If he already existed then verses I gave would state Jesus was already the son of God.
One thing to go about is that if you look at Hebrews 1. It is question that no angel was *pronounce on a certain day* to be called the son, begotten, and the father to be his father. At this point we notices existing angels. So..... being that said. Jesus is not the son of God but became the Son of God. Micheal is discluded. And from being first born in heaven as well.
With that you'll throw jw's off. Since there Jesus is known to be already God's first born son.
They like using Jesus as firstborn threw colossians 1:15. Yet..... firstborn in the Greek as prototokos means preeminent.
Jesus is not a created being.
To throw them off is known that David, Ephraim, and Isreal where also called firstborn.
Hope this helps. Trust me. If you get a jws to actually pay attention to you. Be very prepared. Because he's not expecting to be thrown off. Show them your wiser then what they expected. Don't lose them. Because you'll leave them stun.
Well.... to finish this reply; you might be thinking "what did he say on what you told him?"
He brought up that what I said didn't justify Jesus being God's son. So he brought up John 3:16 as Jesus being sent as the son.
However, that wasn't a good comeback. Because as we read that. God gave his begotten (unique) Son. Not that he sent his begotten son. Jesus was pronounce the son when being born in the flesh. In heaven Jesus always existed. I let him know he was off on that. And I let him know why.
You can't be easy with them. You got to give it to them the way it is.
@larysnw418 I did content on that, go check it out. ruclips.net/video/qHYqPtVWL-M/видео.html
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, ' is the utterance Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness off Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
"His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's."
Proof?
all faiths have love, restrictions, rituals, values, CHARITY and MONEY COLLECTION BY VARIOUS METHODS, and all have (or claim they have) God with them.. .so ur is not better than the next christian (from a different denomination) that claims he/she is in the right path....
The rightous and unrghtous will be resulted.
(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
@@jimjuri6490Cherry-picking.
It is incorrect grammar to say "Why JW's are not the truth" However JW's do have the truth of what the Bible really teaches . You seem to be a bit obssesed with JW's and do not seem to be able to leave them alone which in itself speaks volumes about how secure YOU are in your own belief !
So, you can't address what he said?
Any reply?
Jehovah of armies---he is the One whom you (people) should treat as holy, and he should be the object of your fear, and he should be the One causing you (sinners) to tremble. (Isaiah 8:13) NWT
*WARNING*.....
"The great day of Jehovah is near. (Zeph.1:14) NWT
And I will cause distress to mankind, and they will certainly walk like blind men, because it is against Jehovah (God) that they have sinned. And their blood will actually be poured out like dust, and their bowels like the dung. Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them in the day of Jehovah's fury,......... (Zeph. 1:17&18) NWT
.......seek Jehovah all you meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah's anger. (Zeph. 2:2&3)
For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. (Romans 10:13) NWT
Didn’t mention Jesus once….hmmmm.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry you CANNOT DENY HISTORY AND FACT that the current form of trinity was formulated AFTER ABOUT 400 YEARS -BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry you can pretend all you want but WE NEED BOTH GOD AND THE LAMB for salvation - REv 7:9-10, and to reject the Jehovah, Our Father as salvation (Joel 2:32) is the work of an antiCHrist. are you DENYING THE FATHER, JEHOVAH AS SALVATION? YES OR NO. or are you skipping again and keep on twisting and lying?
So if you know for a fact that Jws are wrong religion,then which religion is the right religion?
40000 different religions out there, all I can say is good luck finding the “right” one!
@@brycetorno Actually luck had nothing to do with it! I found out who they are by taking time not just reading the Bible but meditating on what I read.I know who God's people are.Think of a people who obey God's laws and who do what Jesus told them to do and you will find the answer.
@@allangrant6349 Please be respectful and 100% truthful. Do truly and sincerely believe that JWs have and are the Truth. Yes or No? Please only a Yes or No> Nothing more.
@@allangrant6349 to your comment: "Actually luck had nothing to do with it! I found out who they are by taking time not just reading the Bible but meditating on what I read.I know who God's people are.Think of a people who obey God's laws and who do what Jesus told them to do and you will find the answer."
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It is very gratifying that you have studied the commandments of God and that you strive to honor and respect these commandments.
Do you also consider the following commandment of God to be absolutely noteworthy?
Deuteronomy 18,22-24 (NWT Study Edition)
“22 ‘If any p r o p h e t p r e s u m p t u o u s l y s p e a k s a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die.
21 However, y o u m a y s a y i n y o u r h e a r t : “ H o w w i l l w e k n o w that Jehovah has not spoken the word?”
22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or d o e s n o t c o m e t r u e , then Jehovah did not speak that word.
T h e p r o p h e t s p o k e i t p r e s u m p t u o u s l y . Y o u s h o u l d n o t f e a r h i m .’
@@davidagnew8792 To the great Bible scholar David Agnew
From a biblical perspective, an opponent is one who willfully denies or transgresses the commandments of God.
Deuteronomy 18,22-24 (NWT Study Edition)
“22 ‘If any p r o p h e t p r e s u m p t u o u s l y s p e a k s a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die.
21 However, y o u m a y s a y i n y o u r h e a r t : “ H o w w i l l w e k n o w that Jehovah has not spoken the word?”
22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or d o e s n o t c o m e t r u e , then Jehovah did not speak that word.
T h e p r o p h e t s p o k e i t p r e s u m p t u o u s l y . Y o u s h o u l d n o t f e a r h i m .’
The fact that you judge this issue with an attitude of ridicule proves that it seems irrelevant to you whether the teachings and predictions of your organization will actually come true.
A Christian is characterized by the fact that he also takes responsibility for the statements and predictions that he publicly disseminates in the name of God.
I had placed this Bible text under this thread because the commentator emphasized that he has diligently studied the commandments of God.
However, those who truly know and love God's commandments will never publicly disseminate predictions that have been proven several times to be a simple fallacy.
In this respect, I am very grateful to you for making yourself personally noticeable as a commentator on this youtube-channel.
It gives me the opportunity to ask you if you can personally assure me that Armageddon will now really take place within the "overlapping generation, based on 1914?
You now have the opportunity to prove that you want to be recognized not only as an entertainer, but also as a serious student of the Bible.
WHY is JW Headquarter in Warwick STILL NOT RAIDED by Police special task forces????e WHY is JW Headquarter in Warwick STILL NOT RAIDED by Police special task forces???
The truth is not belong to an organization but belong to Jesus
But He use an organization to spread the good news during first century
Which organization was that?
Show scripture that Jesus used an organization in the first century or at any time ?
@@evanwindom3265 Christian Congregation
@@ericbulman1752
Acts 2. At Pentecost 33 C.E., holy spirit was poured out on 120 disciples of Jesus, and in many languages they began speaking about the magnificent things of God. This was the founding of the Christian congregation.
@@tun2w And is it your contention that the only christian congregation are the JWs? He didn't use an organization in the sense that the WT defines it, with branches, circuits, conventions, and a megalomaniacal "governing body". Jesus is the head of the Church, which is made up of individual believers.
Begs the question: why is there so MANY religions? Does God approve of them all?...one or None at all?
Do you have proof for the JWs being the truth?
190 AD Clement Of Alexandria "I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father." (Stromata, Book V, ch. 14)
"The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God." Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13
@@misterauctor7353 the peroid of the Church Fathers is highly doubtful...because thats the Time peroid Christ and the apostles referred to as the apostasy which apostle Paul warned about the appearing of the "Man of Lawlessness"
Jesus prayed in the Lord’s Prayer (the Our Father prayer) that God’s name would be sanctified.
You need to use the name and honor the name, it in order to sanctify the name.
Did Jesus use an *English* name for YHWH not invented until the 16th century A.D. based on impossible grammatical rules having nothing to do with Hebrew concocted by a 13th century Dominican monk? I'd sure like to see that evidence.
Incidentally, Joseph, this is all documented in your own WT literature. Look it up.
@@adamantiumbullet9215
First of all, do you think Yehoshua’s followers called him “Jesus”.
His name is Yehoshua.
Second of all, Nehemia Gordon, Hebrew scholar and one of the translators who translated the Dead Sea Scrolls, has done extensive work on the correct pronunciation of God’s name, and claims YeHoVaH is correct and Yahweh is wrong.
JeHoVaH is a perfectly acceptable English transliteration.
Your Dominican Monk theory has been proven to be wrong.
By many scholars.
Oh, by the way, did you notice the “Yeho” in Jesus’ name?
Many Hebrew names begin with “Yeho”.
Yehonathon
Yehoash
Yehoonadov
Yehoadah
Yehoshua
Yehozadak
And many others….
It’s called theophoric names.
The correct pronunciation of God’s name has been there all along.
Yeho…vah.
@@joseph_miller Quite right. Unless adamantiumbullet9215 has a problem with using the name Jesus, (Something tells me he doesn't - oh yeah! He's been using it in this forum) then he's a hypocrite. The straws these people will grasp at to attack God's people.
@@joseph_miller
*"Your Dominican Monk theory has been proven to be wrong. By many scholars."*
Really? Who are these "many scholars"? Go ahead and list them here.
First, it's not _my_ theory. If you knew anything you'd already know this. Secondly, this is yet another topic where you completely disagree with your WT leaders, which makes you an apostate.
The problem is, Joseph, you think you're such an informed JW, but it's obvious you know NOTHING about what your religion teaches or what your WT literature actually says, and your arrogance and ego prevent you from learning anything.
_"We do not say that “Jehovah” is the correct pronunciation of God’s name... the _*_Spanish Dominican friar Raymundus Martini_*_ wrote his Pugio, about _*_1278,_*_ and used the name Jehovah"._ w50 12/1 p. 473
_"Interestingly, Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican order, first rendered the divine name as “Jehova.” This form appeared in his book Pugeo Fidei, published in 1270 C.E.-over 700 years ago."_ W 2/1/1980, p.12, "The Divine Name In Later Times"
If scholars have 'proven' this 13th century monk "theory" wrong, as you claim, then why is your Watchtower quoting it as an authority? And, if your WT is wrong (it must be, according to you) about something as crucial as the origins of the name "Jehovah", then why are you a JW that believes _anything_ your WT teaches and defends them? Oops! I guess you didn't think that one through, did you?
Joseph claims: *"The correct pronunciation of God’s name has been there all along."*
Joseph's WT leaders say:
_"the exact pronunciation of the name is _*_not known_*_ today"._ The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures p.11, published by WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC
"there is *no way of knowing* what pronunciation is correct."
w83 12/1, p. 5
_"Some prefer “Yahweh,” others “Yehwah,”.... it is a matter of _*_conjecture_*_ as to which vowels made up the complete divine name.”_ w80 2/1 p.11
@@adamantiumbullet9215
The theory put forth by you and other apostates is that this monk “invented” the name JeHoVaH in 13th century.
As you stated above.
That has been proven to be false…that this monk “invented” the name JeHoVaH.
He didn’t.
Nemiah Gordon has documented the use of YeHoVaH before the 13th century.
This monk definitely used JeHoVaH in his writings, but that doesn’t mean he “invented” the name, as is the claim.
He was perhaps the first to transliterate YeHoVaH to JeHoVaH, we don’t know for sure, but that’s not “inventing” the name.
As far as the WT quotes you posted, nothing is definitive or “for sure” when discussing science or ancient archaeology.
The evidence points to YHVH being pronounced YeHoVaH.
Perhaps, YeHoVeH or YeHoWaH.
No one can say for sure 100%.
From theophoric names, we know the correct pronunciation begins with “Yeho”.
That’s not debatable.
So you using terms like “for sure” or “definitely” is misleading.
This is the point Watchtower was making.
Watchtower never said Yahweh is the correct pronunciation.
That’s ridiculous.
I encourage anyone to read the entire 2/1/1980 article.
Actually, there are a few good article in that Watchtower about the Divine Name.
Scholarship changes as new discoveries are made and has over time.
Scholars today know Yahweh is wrong
Yes they are the Truth for Watchtower is the only group that ever publicized and highlighted the Bible more than any other religions that has ever existed. And they are the only ones to have launched a wide-scale public preaching work before the End comes.
That doesn’t make them the truth. Notice you didn’t say, “because they teach the truth of scripture” but because they print lots of magazines. Show me a verse in the Bible that says that’s how you identify those preaching the truth, by how much they print.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry not by how much they print and number of circulation of publications...but what THEY preach...and that is the one in Matt.24:14. No other religion or Evangelical group is fulfilling those words of Christ but only one while other religions preach about going to Heaven as the solution to mankind's problems or to look to Human govts for salvation.
No, they're not the truth. And, did you watch the video?
@@roeltingzon758Other Christian groups have done Mathhew 24. You're just Indoctrinatied. Why else would the Catholic church be the largest?
@@roeltingzon758"No... Christ"
Imagine.being this blinded?
For anyone who knows their Bible, John 13:35 is a clear reference to Torah observance. The reason for this is found at Matthew 22:34-40.
However, Jehovah's Witnesses claim that the Torah is "abolished." It seems they want to abolish it because it exposes them for what they are: religious frauds.
@larysnw418 if Yeshua had ended the Torah, he would have been a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 12:32-13:5. Is that what you are accusing the Messiah of being, a false prophet?
If so, you have blasphemed Yeshua. If not, there has to be another explanation for Romans 10:4, and indeed there is. Romans 10:4 says that Yeshua was the τέλος of the Torah. Since τέλος does not necessarily mean "end," but rather can mean "goal," "aim," or "fulfillment," there is no reason to believe that Yeshua ended the Torah, thus making him a false prophet. On the contrary, he is the Son of God.
Romans 7:1-6 speaks of the old covenant using the metaphor of the law of a husband in the covenant of marriage. It does not speak about the Torah, otherwise Paul would have been a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 12:32-13:5 if he had actually spoken against Torah observance.
The context of Ephesians 2:15 indicates that the law being spoken of is one that brought enmity between Jew and Gentile. In other words, it is a racist law being spoken of. Surely you aren't saying that the Torah of יהוה is racist, are you? God is not racist. However, the oral law of the Pharisees was racist, and Paul and Yeshua spoke against the oral law of the Pharisees, which is today called the Talmud. We are to keep the Torah as it is the commandments of God, but we are to reject the Talmud, as it is the commandments of men.
Colossians 2:13-14 specifically indicates that it was our transgressions that were removed by Yeshua. This means that he fulfilled the prophecy that he would save his people from their sins. It was never prophesied that he would save his people from the Torah or Law of God, thus resulting in universal lawlessness and anarchy.
Matthew 5:19-20 indicates that there will be three types of people on Judgment Day.
- The ignorant will not have kept the least of the commandments in the Torah, and will have taught others to do the same. These will be least in the Kingdom.
- The righteous will have kept and taught to keep even the least of the commandments. These will be great in the Kingdom.
- The defiant will be like the Pharisees were according to Mark 7:8-13, who nullified the Torah. These will not even enter the Kingdom.
The question becomes, which of the latter two will you be now that you are no longer ignorant of this fact? Only you can decide for yourself. Choose this day whom you will serve, but as for me and my house, we will serve יהוה the true God.
Polycarp mentions ""Lord God Almighty, [439] Father of thy beloved and blessed Servant Jesus Christ," so the Lord GOD Almighty acc to him is the FATHER and Jesus is his BLESSED SERVANT.
Polycarp statements are trinitarian.
@@misterauctor7353 the SERVANT of the Lord God Almighty is Jesus Christ and Polycarp did not say that the Lord God is Jesus
@@Mr.DC3.1914 He did say it.
@@misterauctor7353 where was his quote that say the opposite? He said from his quote "Lord God Almighty, [439] Father of thy beloved and blessed Servant Jesus Christ" so the Lord God acc to him is the Father and Jesus is his SERVANT
@@Mr.DC3.1914Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says,
Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead.1
If JWs are not Jesus only disciples in these last days, then logically another united worldwide group professing to be disciples of Jesus should be?
This group should be involved in the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14.
This group should also be the fulfilment of the last days' prophecy given at Micah 4:1-5.
Coming up with a theory that JWs are not God's people and avoiding showing who is, is what is called a neither here nor there situation.
God's last days' Witnesses should also fit this prophecy.
(John 13:35) By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love among yourselves.”
Christians….we’ve been at it for 2000 years. You know, Matthew 24 also warns about people coming in the last days saying that Jesus already returned, that he’s invisible… Why should anyone join a recently created religion that does the exact things Jesus warned about?
Jim, real question here bub, how do you know you aren’t deceived?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Someone is claiming that Christians have been at it (??) for 2,000 years? At what may we ask?
The churches which claimed to be Christian during this time were battling each other and killing each other.
Let me reiterate. That was no Christianity as an organized body from after the apostles until the 20th Century. The time marked as the LAST DAYS in which God promised to RESTORE TRUE WORSHIP. Please read Micah 4:1-5.
We thus, must look around for a newly organized group who fit ALL the hallmarks of the prophecy.
These wanting to be True Worshipers will be invited from all nations. Verse 2
These who become True Worshipers will never join armies to kill other humans nor learn war anymore. Verse 3.
These will not be afraid. That is how they can preach despite persecution. Verse 4. Compare Matthew 24:9.
These being gathered is for the purpose of surviving the coming Great War. These will all be part of an Unified International Organization. Verse 5.
Matthew 24:14 is a last days' prophecy.
If JWs do not fit ALL the above, then logically another newly organized group should. Any name stands out?
"God's last days' Witnesses should also fit this prophecy"
Nope.
"(John 13:35) By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love among yourselves.”"
That's vague.
@@misterauctor7353 : How can LOVE AMONGST YOURSELVES when referring to Jesus' True Disciples be vague?
Are the "Christians' who are killing each other in the Russia Ukraine war showing love for each other?
@@jimjuri6490 "How can LOVE AMONGST YOURSELVES when referring to Jesus' True Disciples be vague?"
Because other Christian groups have done that.
Then what church is the truth?
The orthodox church.
@@misterauctor7353 🤣
@@thetower8553 ???
YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRUTH as you replaced the REAL JESUS with a pagan one - The trinity got its start in Ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis. Semiramis demanded worship for both her husband and her son as well as herself. She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son. Yes, he was “god the father” and “god the son” - The first divine incomprehensible trinity.” - (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, p. 51)
JW's have affirmed the worship of Jesus even after 1954.
They are very confused.
Here is a direct quote from Alexander Hislop who was a Trinitarian "It must also be admitted, and gladly admitted, that this implies the indwelling of all the Persons of the glorious Godhead"
AND
"on examination it will be found that the Popish and the Scriptural ideas conveyed by these expressions, however apparently similar, are essentially different."
Mr Hislop would say you are the "Twister" of his words as HE BELIEVED IN THE TRINITY"
Again D C1, you have been a naughty boy for misquoting Mr Alexander Hislop of The Two Babylons
Mr Alexander Hislop believed in the Divinity of Christ and claimed Arius to be a Heretic
"to condemn the heresy of Arius, who denied the true divinity of Christ, that heresy indeed was condemned,..."
You see D C1, if you actually bothered to read the book, The Two Babylons, Mr Hislop would call YOU a HERETIC.
Oh the irony D C1.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 the Greek word for worship has many meanings , one of them is for BOW DOWN, AND ANOTHER OBEISANCE. Even KJV uses the same word in rev 3:9 as WORSHIP eventhough it does not mean worship as GOD. KJV - REv 3 - I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 The problem is that the JW's have applied "worship" in equality to God and Jesus.
The trinity got its start in Ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis. Semiramis demanded worship for both her husband and her son as well as herself. She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son. Yes, he was “god the father” and “god the son” - The first divine incomprehensible trinity.” - (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, p. 51)
Wow. That's not like the triune God of the Bible at all. According to you (which differs from the legend), Nimrod and Tammuz are the same person somehow, even though, according to the legend, Nimrod and Semiramis began as people (who were eventually deified) and had relations which produced a son. Is that anything close to the teaching of the trinity? No.
The one God of the Bible subsists simultaneously in three subsistences: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
BTW. Your post, as usual, is completely off topic from the content of the video. Apparently JW's can't refute the criticisms that are levelled against their religion.
(Ps. this is my only post-I won't be engaging with DX (or whatever his current handle is) but I will be happy to respond to someone else.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth understand that was the START and it evolved from that. wonder why it TOOK ABOUT 400 YEARs for the trinity doctrine to be formed in its CURRENT form? Do you see the term GOD THE SON used there but NOT IN THE BIBLE? YOU CANNOT DENY HISTORY AND FACTS.
FROM BRITANNICA -
The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth I already answered the question about the truth in a separate thread. not repeating those here, but again that guy twisted a lot of things
@@BasicBiblicalTruth sure go ahead, AND DENY HISTORY and REJECT THE BIBLE AS that is your own problem anyway.
@kevinfromcanada great rebuttal Kevin. I agree Jws cannot refute the criticisms made against them.
You would be more believable if you would be fair and give JWs at one little strand of credit of doing some good in the name of the Lord. You evidently want to dismantle their entire religion cause you have a personal hatred for them. You are spewing out a bunch information that incorrect and very bias. I will give the public one quick example of the disservice you are feeding the public with your lack of knowledge of the scriptures. You will know my disciples by the love they have for one another. You mentioned that's what they say about themselves. But you failed to tell the truth and give them due honor in that regard because you said other Christian denominations are doing that. But are they really? The Catholic church as one example has a very bloody history like the Catholic inquisition. And how they help to give Hitler rise to power by meddling in politics. Also how they bless the troops to go out and fight and kill their brothers in opposing nations in the name of war and nationalism. And mind you, the Catholic Church has by far the largest Christian organization in the world. On the other hand JWs has consistently refused to take part any any killing of their fellow ma period. What didn't you mentioned in fairness to them any of those facts??? You are not doing God's will in refusing to state the truth. You are exposed.
Thanks for the comment. I noticed you didn’t actually address any of the issues, or points I made in the video, but instead started ranting about the Catholic Church, which I didn’t bring up at all. The Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with this conversation, or the troubles they’ve gotten themselves into. That’s for another video. You were better off talking about the FLDS. Also I Love witnesses, and I want them to know the Truth, being the true Jesus and the true Gospel.
Do you want to debunk the points I raised or offer alternatives, or give other forms of evidence on why the JW religion is true, or did you just come to rant about the sins of Rome?
*"I will give the public one quick example of the disservice you are feeding the public"*
Then proceeds to bash the Catholic Church. A classic JW strategy.
*"You evidently want to dismantle their entire religion cause you have a personal hatred for them."*
By your own criteria, this must mean you HATE Catholics, because you criticized their church while giving them no credit for the good they do. Why didn't you mention the various legitimate Catholic charities the Church operates while JWs operate *no charities whatsoever?* Why aren't you 'being fair' by giving Catholics "one little strand of credit of doing some good in the name of the Lord" ?
The very thing you're upset about, RH, is precisely what you're doing in return. On what basis do you criticize others when you are doing _the very same thing?_
Aren't you doing exactly the same thing you're accusing LightoverDarkMinistry of doing? No one here is lifting up the Roman Catholic Church, nor was it the topic of discussion until you brought it up. You're railing against the Catholics without giving them *_"one little strand of credit of doing some good in the name of the Lord."_* It's absolutely true that the RCC has had its issues in the past, notably with things like sexual abuse. Of course, that's nothing that the WT would ever... uh... oh... wait. Nevermind.
One thing I know for certain -- if there exists a perfect church, neither of us is in it because our very presence would prevent it from being perfect. It's a good thing, then, that it's not about the organization -- it's about a Perfect Savior.
@@evanwindom3265
Isn't it interesting that JWs are always the first and the loudest to cry foul when any criticism, no matter how light, comes their way, yet they are more than enthusiastic to instantly pounce on other religions for their alleged shortcomings?
Historically, WT and JWs have had a rather unhealthy obsession with bashing Catholics. I was guilty of it when I was I JW, so I know. I still have grievances with the Church itself (it's hopelessly corrupt, like most churches), but I have come to appreciate Catholics as people and they are often duped and victimized by their Church just as JWs are by theirs.
Few JWs realize that they are more like the CC than they are different from it. It is my opinion that WT has such a harsh view and criticism of the CC for no other reason than jealousy. While condemning the Church's hierarchical structure, WT has, more than once when in court, claimed also to be a hierarchical religion "just like the Catholic Church". WT condemns the CCs doctrine of Apostolic Succession, but then claims there was a Governing Body in the first century and there's always been a "faithful slave" since the first century. WT used to condemn the CCs practice of excommunication, then WT eventually adopted the same practice and made it exponentially worse than the CC ever dreamed of.
Anyway, RHs rant was nothing more than the typical JW tactic of claiming moral superiority by being the least stinky shirt in the pile of laundry. If they can divert attention away from themselves and on to other religions they think are more flawed than JWs, then the JW claims victory. It's a very disingenuous tactic meant to divert attention from, and shut down, an honest debate about the WT itself.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
While JWs like RH automatically bristle when any criticism comes their way, you may be interested in these quotes directly from Watchtower literature regarding WTs counsel to JWs that criticism of other religions is not only moral but an *obligation* of Christians:
"Contrary to what some may think, *it is not unkind and unloving to lay bare falsehood* and corruption." w66 3/1 p 131
"The refusal to expose false spiritual food is the thing that is unchristian." w57 4/15, p.243
"When persons are in great danger... is it an unkindness to warn them? They may prefer not to believe the warning... But does that free one from the moral responsibility to give that warning? w74 1/15
"The Catholic Church occupies a very significant position in the world and claims to be the way of salvation for hundreds of millions of people. *Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism."* Awake 8/22/84, p.28
[WT makes claims similar to the Catholic Church, i.e. WT is "God's Organization", a person can only gain salvation through the WT organization, that the Governing Body are "the voice of God" and are "God's sole channel of communication on earth". So, it's interesting, and highly hypocritical, for WT to say that the CC deserves criticism because of their grandiose claims, but WT should receive no criticism from anyone for any reason, despite WT making the same claims as the CC. It's a classic double standard. JWs can dish it out but they can't take it.]
“Church members . . . are responsible for what the church says and does.” Awake 9/8/1987, p.10
EVEN TERTULLIAN ADMITTED that the FATHER IS MORE POWERFUL AND OLDER than the SON and that the SON needed an AUTHOR to bring him into BEING - FROM TERTULLIAN - But if this same Wisdom is the Word of God, in the capacity of Wisdom, and (as being He) without whom nothing was made, just as also (nothing) was set in order without Wisdom, how can it be that anything, except the Father, should be OLDER, and on this account indeed NOBLER, than the Son of God, the only-begotten and first-begotten Word? Not to say that what is unbegotten is STRONGER than that which is BORN (this is Jesus) , and what is not made more powerful than that which is MADE ( JESUS) . Because that which did not require a Maker to give it existence, will be much more ELEVATED in rank than that which had an AUTHOR TO BRING IT INTO BEING (JESUS)
complete bunkum, Read the whole quote " Maker to give it existence..." obviously here Tertullian is calling Jesus an IT by your misquoting.
Learn to read.
@@RowanTasmanian FROM IT into BEING - if you can understand that, as this IT refers to the Wisdom of GOD and the BEGOTTEN WORD, that became FLESH . SO AGAIN, now you are REJECTING HISTORY AND EVEN TERTULLIAN,.your own problem that you cannot deny , you can fool yourself everyday since that is your choice. hey, IT is a baby! and for english that is acceptable
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Listen D C1, you have never read this document in full, it's 18 pages in length by Tertullian.
You just have not read it. Tertullian believed Jesus was God, not created.
Read the material by tertullian and not quote what the WT tell you to quote.
@@RowanTasmanian hey dummy ANtiChrist. Tertullian himself said, THAT THE FATHER IS OLDER, AND MORE POWERFUL than the SON , that the UNBEGOTTEN is STRONGER that that which IS BORN (this refers to Jesus) and what is NOT MADE more powerful than that which is MADE (Jesus). stop being blinded, REPENT, ANTICHRIST!
@@RowanTasmanian YOU KNOW what TERTULLIAN ALSO MENTIONED ? There was, however, a time when neither sin existed with Him, nor the Son; NOTICE - nor the SON, and it is talking of NEITHER EXISTED JUST LIKE THE SIN
If not the Jehovah's witnesses in the truth according to you then which people are in the truth according to the Bible?????????
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13.
Vusi- no doubt you'll be posting this same copy-and-paste, say nothing line for the next several months under every video critical of JWs.
Can you please ask your Watchtower handlers to fix the syntax? And, all you need is one question mark. Posting 10 of them doesn't magically change a vapid phrase into a meaningful phrase.
Apostates always darken lights
Then explain to me what makes Jehovahs the light, or The Truth.
The governing body are apostates
@rajakrishnapachamootoo Please be respectful and 100% truthful. Do truly and sincerely believe that JWs have and are the Truth. Yes or No? Please only a Yes or No> Nothing more.
ok TWISTER, you like to TWIST and mix things up. The BIble called Jesus as the TRUTH, also GOD'S WORD is THE TRUTH. 3 John 1:3 also mentions "as you go on walking in the truth."
God’s word is the Truth, because Jesus is the truth, and walking with Jesus is being with and in The Truth, because he is. You think an organization is The Truth, I believe it’s The Son of God.
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@@LightoverDarkMinistry the literal words of GOD is different from JESUS, THE TRUTH, one is the words coming out of GOD's mouth and Jesus is a person, they are DIFFERENT. so stop twisting. and that's TWO TRUTHS already acc to the Bible, ONE IS A PERSON, JESUS AND ONE is the Word of GOD that is coming out of GOD's mouth. Even Jesus ADMITTED that the TEACHINGS THAT HE said were not HIS OWN , but from the FATHER
@@LightoverDarkMinistry IN THE TRUTH means you are part of the BODY of Christ, as you need to be part of GOD's congregations in order to walk in the TRUTH and to be SAVED. Colossians 1:18
and he is the head of the body, the CONGREGATION. why you think YOU ARE INSIDE JESUS? nope. eph 5:23 - Christ is head of the congregation, he being a savior of this body.
@@Mr.DC3.1914your twisting scriptures to make it say what you want it to day
I believe your video and I am going to assume all your other videos related to Jehovah Witnesses, are fundamentally flawed. It is quite apparent to me that you have not taken the time to even read or study the Bible otherwise you would have a better understanding of where there teachings are derived and you would backup your arguments with actual scriptures instead of unfounded conclusions. I was quite entertained seeing how you cherry picked certain information that supported your argument while ignoring the facts. I'll give you three examples that anyone reading this can look up. You say that the name "Jehovah" has been used by other religions and you showed a musician presumably singing that name and a poster with the name on it. However, you conveniently left out the fact that most bibles in circulation have substituted the name "Jehovah" with "Lord" which is not a name, but a title. I have reviewed some King James versions that have also done this but sometimes you still find it in Psalm 83:18. Bbilica.com states the following regarding this... "Out of respect for the Jewish tradition of not uttering the sacred Name of God, the Committee on Bible Translation (CBT) for the NIV have chosen to display every instance of the Name YHWH in the Hebrew Bible as 'Lord.'” Presuming we all believe the Bible is God's word, why would he feel a need to include his name in over 7,000 locations if he did not want us to verbalize it? How many other religions can you name that actively use his name and not the substituted noun "Lord"?
Now let's take Halloween, a celebration in which many people partake each year. If you Google "the roots of Halloween" the first result that comes up is from the Library of Congress. If you read the history, you will find it derived from a pagan festival called Samhain where people would "light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off ghosts". In an effort to bring the pagans into Christianity, Pope Gregory III incorporated some of its traditions into All Saints Day. "The evening before All Saints Day was known as 'All Hallows Eve' and later 'Halloween'". Kindly point to any scripture in the Bible where ancient Jews or Jesus himself accepted pagan ideologies and implemented some of their traditions? In fact, it was Jesus himself that said 'my kingdom is not part of this world" which is why he never participated in any rituals or traditions that were not rooted in Jewish beliefs. So it begs the question, how many religions today follow his example and abstain from such practices?
Lastly, you say that the Jehovah Witnesses borrowed their tactic for their preaching work from early 20th Century direct sales. I make a counter argument that those early 20th century direct sales tactics were borrowed from Luke 10: 1-10 which is where Jesus sent his disciples in two's "into every city and place"... "to say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you." KJV.
I could continue picking apart your arguments but I am afraid I don't have the time to do so and doubt your viewers would also have the time to read it. I highly recommend that if you are going to continue making these types of videos, that you at least make an attempt to study the Bible so you actually know what's in it instead of basing your conclusions on unfounded facts and opinions.
Let's address your first example. Show me a NT Greek manuscript that contains the tetragrammaton (divine name).
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Are you saying that the Bible only consists of the New Testament? Can you prove to me that YHWH is not in the Old Testament before we move on to the Greek scriptures? Why you ask? Because nobody on this platform can disagree that the Old Testament was written centuries before Christ was even born. Therefore, if the divine name as you put it was written several thousand times in the old testament, it begs the question, why wasn't it in the Greek scriptures? Either way, YHWH, exists in the Bible and many people ignore that fact either out of ignorance or by choice.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 MAT 1:8 - JEHOSHAPHAT, and his name means WHAT acc to Strong's and tell what is the NAME OF GOD that you found there. and you think JESUS SINNED BY REMOVING GOD's name when he QUOTED THE OT
No, I'm not saying that the Bible consists only of the NT. I'm saying that the OT contains the tetragrammaton because it was written in Hebrew. The tetragrammaton has not been removed from the Hebrew Scriptures:
שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד
Above is Deu 6:4; do you see the tetragrammaton? It's there twice. The NT was written in Greek and doesn't contain the tetragrammaton. Instead the writers used the circumlocution κυριος for the divine name.
God's name is YHWH, no question. The NT writers didn't feel obligated to use it in the NT. English translations follow the tradition of the LXX and use the circumlocution LORD for the divine name in the OT. They don't try and hide it, they highlight the fact that they're doing it by using all caps (LORD).
But if you have an issue with English translations using a circumlocution for the divine name in the OT, then you should be consistent and have a problem with the NWT inserting the divine name in the NT (and doing so inconsistently) when it wasn't there to begin with.
@@RicoSuave077 Kevin of Canada has told you elementary facts.
I would like to add the following remarks.
All elementary names from the Hebrew Scriptures such as Abraham, Noah, David, Daniel, Melchizedek, Jacob, Levi are found in the Scriptures of the New Testament in transcribed form.
If one pretends that God is the author of the Bible, one must be convinced that God has personally watched over the fact that all essential statements and elements of his Scriptures have been preserved unadulterated to this day. This maxim should apply all the more to the supposedly most important element, the name "Jehovah." Otherwise, other statements in the writings of the New Testament would also have to be questioned or doubted.
In this regard, I ask you to share with me the Bible verses in which the name "Jehovah" or the Tetragrammaton appears in the copies of the New Testament available today. You are welcome to use your preferred interlinear translation for this purpose.
If this name does not appear in the Scriptures of the New Testament, the question inevitably arises as to why the authors of the New Testament did not attach any importance to the use of this name, but instead chose the word „Kyrios“.
Since the JW's are so hung up on the use of the "name" it is worth pointing out that they have applied the SINGULAR "name" in James 2:7 to BOTH God and Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: Similar to the Greek word for good (a·ga·thosʹ) is another word, ka·losʹ. The latter denotes that which is intrinsically good, beautiful, well adapted to its circumstances or ends (as fine ground, or soil; Mt 13:8, 23), and that which is of fine quality, including that which is ethically good, right, or honorable (as God's name; Jas 2:7). (Goodness, page 986)
The Watchtower: James identifies the truly rich and urges that love be shown to all impartially. (James 2:5-9) ‘God has chosen the poor to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom.’ This is so because the poor are often more responsive to the good news. (1 Corinthians 1:26-29) As a class, the materially rich oppress others with regard to debts, wages, and legal actions. They speak evil of Christ and persecute us because we bear his name. (Faith Moves Us to Action!, November 15, 1997, page 14)
GOD's people are called by HIS NAME (singular) and that is JEHOVAH, Even Jesus is called JEHOVAH IS SALVATION
@@Mr.DC3.1914 They apply they apply the SINGULAR name to both God and Jesus, thus proving Jesus is God.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 WHICH WT article are you talking about, and also the word NAME means AUTHORITY in Greek and since the AUTHORITY is FROM THE FATHER and given to Jesus, so that is still SINGULAR AUTHORITY and it DOES NOT MEAN Jesus is himself GOD
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I already gave the references in my first reply. Try reading it more slowly and see.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 AND read this slowly - the word NAME means AUTHORITY in Greek and since the AUTHORITY is FROM THE FATHER and given to Jesus, so that is still SINGULAR AUTHORITY and it DOES NOT MEAN Jesus is himself GOD